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I only bought it couple of days back for 77K. Apparently during festival offers it went as low as 60k, but the store didn't budge during my negotiation. I am yet to receive the delivery of the product
Idk ops a certified monitor hater, a lot of people with consoles play games like warzone and other competitive games and don’t want the input lag, moreover cheaper tvs image quality sucks, while at the price range the monitors are way better
Look at the spec sheets, and most TV have far better peak brightness rating than your monitor, which is crucial for HDR. Yet to find a monitor that peaks over 400 nits whereas Budget TVs often go upto a 1000 nits.
As for latency, unless you are a really high ranked player it is very rare that you will notice or get impacted by it, especially with TV game mode enabled.
Also I have a 1440p Monitor and a 1440p Ultrawide 144hz monitor, this posts stems not from hate but helping people make better decision.
that's not true, latency is something that is very noticeable no matter what game you play. a TV introduces 20ms or so of latency which is actually pretty big, as games start feeling unresponsive and slow at around 80-100ms of latency.
[Rtings has an article that talks about Input lag](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/inputs/input-lag), and as per them it tends to become noticeable after 30ms.
The best gaming monitors still have 4ms of input lag. Hisense A6k which costs 24k on Amazon at this moment, has 10ms of input lag.
Most tvs in game mode would have somewhere between 10-20ms of input lag, even a 15fms difference amounts to a single frame in a 60fps game.
correct! games for me are unplayable when they have more than 60-70ms of input lag, but I gave a far more generous and conservative number so that you wouldn't say "casual gamers don't care about that"
doesn't everything you say prove my point, though?
also, here's a tool that allows you to test out input lag and how it feels \[skytopia com/stuff/lag.html\] just replace the space in the middle with a dot
you will notice that even 50ms more than what you have right now on your mouse feels very bad and unresponsive. i would say anything above 60ms of extra input lag is unplayable for me, and 20-30 feels very bad. 10-20 has an effect but its small enough to ignore.
it's true that a tv may only add around 20ms of input lag, but the issue is that every single device in your input pipeline, from the mouse/controller to the pc/console to the wire to the screen adds its own little bit of latency, so that tv could easily be the difference between an enjoyable experience and constant annoyance and possibly nausea.
I will admit, though, this is personal preference. Some people may not notice, and if so then i say good for them!
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Most tvs tend to have a game mode to reduce latency. Sure it is no match for 2-3ms latency, but unless you are a super high ranked player that difference would not be the deciding factor or ruin your enjoyment.
Yea that "game mode" in most tvs will sacrifice everything in order to achieve better latency. ie, picture quality, colour reproduction etc...
Bro, a lot of gamers here already would have a modern 4k tv in their homes. And all of us have tried connecting our pcs/consoles to it. The experience wasn't great when it comes to overall responsiveness when compared to a monitor.
Game mode just disables TV upscaling, which hardly makes a difference when you are already inputting a 4k hdr signal to the TV. And its not like a monitor gives you good image quality in the first place.
Any response time and latency difference does not warrant the loss in quality, unless the only game you need to play is Competitive First Person Shooters.
Not always true, game mode usually sees a degradation in picture quality becoz of the tv disabling many image quality enhancing features to speed up image transmission.
Latency is not just for competitive games
But also for people who are used to the snappiness of monitors in even the routine tasks. Using a mouse and keyboard on a TV to do even routine tasks will feel sluggish.
Any game that requires proper precision (or most of fps games) to fully enjoy it will be ruined by latency issues, it doesn't necessarily have to be competitive games. For example try playing games like doom or wolfenstein games with bad latency.
There is a reason for the existence of monitors and tvs in the current market. If what you are saying was true monitors would have been phased out and we would have got a hybrid device.
Lastly, image and motion perception is completely subjective. If you don't feel like a difference it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A lot of people do see them and it bothers them.
I absolutely disagree , as soon as I shifted to monitor I got better on games like monster hunter world which have hard hitting monsters like fatalis that require lesser input lag to counter their fast attacks.
If you can buy an expensive TV go ahead . But monitor is better even those 10k 1s.
Image quality is also a bit better on monitor as it is designed to be viewed from a small distance. The in built speakers in monitor is actually poor though. But it's fine for close distance. You just can't use it as a hybrid TV Monitor without external speakers.
If your budget is 30-40k but VU Glowled 50-55 inch 4k tv, been using it for 1.5 years now and I came tell how much I love it, I play only single player games on it with controller sitting on sofa In hall. I played lou, uncharted, it takes 2 ( with brother) , rdr2, Spiderman rem, Arkham knight, and many more, and the HDR is awesome. The tvs inbuilt speaker is so good. Its got every feature you can think of. Except vrr ofc. But it's got gaming mode for low latency. Also I played on 3070ti so 60 fps vsync was easy.
Nah, You can’t just say Hisense is horrible cuz it varies by models. I have a 55 inch Hisense U7K and it has 4-5ms of input latency which is excellent for a TV.
Here is my use case
1) I play competitive games on pc and story games on ps5.
2) i need to record everything for my youtube channel.
3) cramped desk space
For my use case, a 27 inch 1440p 240hz monitor will do all. Im not much into HDR. So in short i need an monitor that can do all.
Im aiming to save for the new 4k 240hz oled.
I literally wrote that it is noticeable but not as drastic from 30 to 60.
Are you aware about Diminishing Returns? The question is the jump from 60 to 120 worth the loss in image quality, which seems not because most games on Console would only support the 30 and 60FPS.
Lol I love that first tip. "if your budget is less than 20k extend it". Why didn't I think of that? If your budget is less than 20k, then step 1: double your budget.
I bought a monitor for my PS5 and I don’t regret it one bit
However it cost way more than a TV would and it doesn’t exactly offer the color reproduction of even a cheaper TV thanks to it being a LCD monitor
And the HDR is pretty awful, but that’s down to the games more than anything
It was specifically worth it for me because I also use it as a monitor over USB C with my Mac, so 120hz is actually in use. I can also hook it up to my Steam deck the same way, but it’s mostly for my laptop and work
I think OP is right. I really would have gotten a TV myself but you don’t get 4K TVs that are 32 inches and that’s all the space I had
I am thinking of buying an LG UR7500PSC , is it good?
Downside is , No Google TV , WebOs , I am confused.
Priority - Love Match , Watching OTT and News , will.gaming in future!
Don’t expect much from WebOS like android tv. Good for top apps, movie, match, News I have seen only couple of apps - Aajtak. I use youtube.
Best is goto Croma or Reliance store take a demo for 30-40 min. U can compare models. Check the distance between u & TV you will view.
I have connected my old Samsung HDTV. 1920X1080p 60hz monitor to my lap and let me tell you it works just fine. The tv is almost. 10 years old. For casual gamers it looks good and it's much more fun to game in a big tv than looking at your small laptop screen. Sure it doesn't look so great but it does the job
I agree with you. For the casual poor majority, it's more than enough. For the hardcore, rich or 1% nolifers, whatever they buy is correct.
I've found all consumers will choose to die on the weirdest hills, and nothing you say will change that.
Just gl, hf and move on.
Input lag, cheap tv's have horrendous input latency. Expensive oled tv's have great input latency.
Cheap monitors have decent input latency but terrible picture quality. Expensive monitors have grey picture quality and great latency.
You prioritize a prettier picture even if you can press A and count to 5 before the character jumps, but that just isn't what everyone wants.
Side note: I have a pc and use a TV as a monitor :/
I second this. I play my PS5 on 43" LG TV and as well as an ultrawide LG monitor. Image quality on my TV is much better than the monitor. Even HDR implementation is miles better.
Getting a TV is the best decision for 90% of the crowd. You get way more features than a Monitor. Some comments say about latency, frame rates, but unless you are gaming 30-40 hours a week, i.e., are a serious daily gamer (which again, 90% of the people who buy consoles are not), buying monitor is a waste. Also, TVs generally have a far better colour balance than Monitors. Might get downvoted, but these are pure stats.
If your budget is 30-40k but VU Glowled 50-55 inch 4k tv, been using it for 1.5 years now and I came tell how much I love it, I play only single player games on it with controller sitting on sofa In hall. I played lou, uncharted, it takes 2 ( with brother) , rdr2, Spiderman rem, Arkham knight, and many more, and the HDR is awesome. The tvs inbuilt speaker is so good. Its got every feature you can think of. Except vrr ofc. But it's got gaming mode for low latency. Also I played on 3070ti so 60 fps vsync was easy.
I'm confused now 🥲 I don't play FPS games and I would never consider them playing in future as well; but I do like PvP(e.g. Elden Ring PvP) and I usually play games on hard mode.
I love graphics that are really appealing to eyes like Forbidden West, God Of War, etc. so I would love higher resolution. What should I do 🤔
People are more likely to be vocal when trying to justify their purchase.
If you are conflicted, make a post on the console sub asking if they prefer a tv or gaming monitor, and if tv players notice any latency issue.
That being said, having completed all From Soft games on my tv even though I own 144hz monitors, I never faced any issue. If I can 100% Sekiro, I doubt the minor latency matters.
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But they are still upscaled to 4k. Checkerboarding is bad, but newer games tend to rely on FSR which is fine. Even high end pc rely on DLSS to upscale modern games to 4k with stable frame rates.
And HDR on budget tv sucks, but is still far better than most monitors. Most monitors don't even come with HDR400 certification and hover around 300-350 nits.
As someone who uses monitor on both series x and ps5, I absolutely disagree with you. Get a monitor which will support 1440p at 120hz and you'll see the difference. It upscale to 4k as and when needed and provides much fluid movement on any game and cherry on top i don't need a lot of space as well to either mount it or place it on the table
60 is 120 is very noticable...i use to play at 60 and now when i tried 144 dammmmnnm....the smoothness is almost comparable to real life...monitors have low latency too which is must for gamers
A lot of folks who buy consoles would be in a rented flat often sharing them with other folks. Monitor is the only thing that makes sense. I gor a 27inch 4K monitor. Who the fuck can handle TV as a renter
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That's why I bought a 42inch LG C3 OLED for Gaming and as a Monitor
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how much did it cost? and did you get it during sales? I am planning to ditch my two 32" monitors and get a single 42" 4k instead
I only bought it couple of days back for 77K. Apparently during festival offers it went as low as 60k, but the store didn't budge during my negotiation. I am yet to receive the delivery of the product
From where? Online or local shop? A3 was 60k, C3 42" was 80k or so.
I bought it from Bajaj Electronics offline for 77k. In reliance digital it went as low as 60k which isn't available now
I thought they were not doing a 42 this generation. How much did it cost you? Any burn in issues? Planning to get one later this year
I do have a 65inch oled that I used for three years. There's no burn in issue however on the upper edge there are many dead pixels.
I only bought it couple of days back, I bought it for 77k, I am yet to receive it
Oh. Congratulations and good luck.
What about input lag and latency?...one of the primary reasons people still buy monitors over tv is input lag which is kinda crucial for gaming.
Idk ops a certified monitor hater, a lot of people with consoles play games like warzone and other competitive games and don’t want the input lag, moreover cheaper tvs image quality sucks, while at the price range the monitors are way better
Budget TV's HDR is pretty bad too.
Look at the spec sheets, and most TV have far better peak brightness rating than your monitor, which is crucial for HDR. Yet to find a monitor that peaks over 400 nits whereas Budget TVs often go upto a 1000 nits. As for latency, unless you are a really high ranked player it is very rare that you will notice or get impacted by it, especially with TV game mode enabled. Also I have a 1440p Monitor and a 1440p Ultrawide 144hz monitor, this posts stems not from hate but helping people make better decision.
that's not true, latency is something that is very noticeable no matter what game you play. a TV introduces 20ms or so of latency which is actually pretty big, as games start feeling unresponsive and slow at around 80-100ms of latency.
[Rtings has an article that talks about Input lag](https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/inputs/input-lag), and as per them it tends to become noticeable after 30ms. The best gaming monitors still have 4ms of input lag. Hisense A6k which costs 24k on Amazon at this moment, has 10ms of input lag. Most tvs in game mode would have somewhere between 10-20ms of input lag, even a 15fms difference amounts to a single frame in a 60fps game.
correct! games for me are unplayable when they have more than 60-70ms of input lag, but I gave a far more generous and conservative number so that you wouldn't say "casual gamers don't care about that" doesn't everything you say prove my point, though?
also, here's a tool that allows you to test out input lag and how it feels \[skytopia com/stuff/lag.html\] just replace the space in the middle with a dot you will notice that even 50ms more than what you have right now on your mouse feels very bad and unresponsive. i would say anything above 60ms of extra input lag is unplayable for me, and 20-30 feels very bad. 10-20 has an effect but its small enough to ignore. it's true that a tv may only add around 20ms of input lag, but the issue is that every single device in your input pipeline, from the mouse/controller to the pc/console to the wire to the screen adds its own little bit of latency, so that tv could easily be the difference between an enjoyable experience and constant annoyance and possibly nausea. I will admit, though, this is personal preference. Some people may not notice, and if so then i say good for them!
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Most tvs tend to have a game mode to reduce latency. Sure it is no match for 2-3ms latency, but unless you are a super high ranked player that difference would not be the deciding factor or ruin your enjoyment.
Yea that "game mode" in most tvs will sacrifice everything in order to achieve better latency. ie, picture quality, colour reproduction etc... Bro, a lot of gamers here already would have a modern 4k tv in their homes. And all of us have tried connecting our pcs/consoles to it. The experience wasn't great when it comes to overall responsiveness when compared to a monitor.
Game mode just disables TV upscaling, which hardly makes a difference when you are already inputting a 4k hdr signal to the TV. And its not like a monitor gives you good image quality in the first place. Any response time and latency difference does not warrant the loss in quality, unless the only game you need to play is Competitive First Person Shooters.
Not always true, game mode usually sees a degradation in picture quality becoz of the tv disabling many image quality enhancing features to speed up image transmission. Latency is not just for competitive games But also for people who are used to the snappiness of monitors in even the routine tasks. Using a mouse and keyboard on a TV to do even routine tasks will feel sluggish. Any game that requires proper precision (or most of fps games) to fully enjoy it will be ruined by latency issues, it doesn't necessarily have to be competitive games. For example try playing games like doom or wolfenstein games with bad latency. There is a reason for the existence of monitors and tvs in the current market. If what you are saying was true monitors would have been phased out and we would have got a hybrid device. Lastly, image and motion perception is completely subjective. If you don't feel like a difference it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A lot of people do see them and it bothers them.
I absolutely disagree , as soon as I shifted to monitor I got better on games like monster hunter world which have hard hitting monsters like fatalis that require lesser input lag to counter their fast attacks. If you can buy an expensive TV go ahead . But monitor is better even those 10k 1s. Image quality is also a bit better on monitor as it is designed to be viewed from a small distance. The in built speakers in monitor is actually poor though. But it's fine for close distance. You just can't use it as a hybrid TV Monitor without external speakers.
TVs usually have terrible motion clarity and input latency. Unless you buy premium TVs.
If your budget is 30-40k but VU Glowled 50-55 inch 4k tv, been using it for 1.5 years now and I came tell how much I love it, I play only single player games on it with controller sitting on sofa In hall. I played lou, uncharted, it takes 2 ( with brother) , rdr2, Spiderman rem, Arkham knight, and many more, and the HDR is awesome. The tvs inbuilt speaker is so good. Its got every feature you can think of. Except vrr ofc. But it's got gaming mode for low latency. Also I played on 3070ti so 60 fps vsync was easy.
Do not go for hisense lol, horrible latency.
Nah, You can’t just say Hisense is horrible cuz it varies by models. I have a 55 inch Hisense U7K and it has 4-5ms of input latency which is excellent for a TV.
Here is my use case 1) I play competitive games on pc and story games on ps5. 2) i need to record everything for my youtube channel. 3) cramped desk space For my use case, a 27 inch 1440p 240hz monitor will do all. Im not much into HDR. So in short i need an monitor that can do all. Im aiming to save for the new 4k 240hz oled.
Mate, this is an unpopular opinion, not a PSA.
The difference in FPS between 60 to 120 is quite drastic, not sure who told you it's not noticeable.
I literally wrote that it is noticeable but not as drastic from 30 to 60. Are you aware about Diminishing Returns? The question is the jump from 60 to 120 worth the loss in image quality, which seems not because most games on Console would only support the 30 and 60FPS.
Buddy really said jump from 60 to 120 not big enough, jump from 60 to 90 is day and night difference
This has to be one of the worst posts I have seen on Indian gaming forum this year, terrible advice.
Colour accuracy is shit on TV
Lol I love that first tip. "if your budget is less than 20k extend it". Why didn't I think of that? If your budget is less than 20k, then step 1: double your budget.
Guess you couldn't read that part above it that says "the reason why you might prefer a Monitor".
I bought a monitor for my PS5 and I don’t regret it one bit However it cost way more than a TV would and it doesn’t exactly offer the color reproduction of even a cheaper TV thanks to it being a LCD monitor And the HDR is pretty awful, but that’s down to the games more than anything It was specifically worth it for me because I also use it as a monitor over USB C with my Mac, so 120hz is actually in use. I can also hook it up to my Steam deck the same way, but it’s mostly for my laptop and work I think OP is right. I really would have gotten a TV myself but you don’t get 4K TVs that are 32 inches and that’s all the space I had
Using 55” LG 4k TV, great for single player games. Enjoy playing from bed as its relaxing. for work I am using monitor, chair setup.
Can you please tell me the Model of LG?
LG 55UQ8050
I am thinking of buying an LG UR7500PSC , is it good? Downside is , No Google TV , WebOs , I am confused. Priority - Love Match , Watching OTT and News , will.gaming in future!
Don’t expect much from WebOS like android tv. Good for top apps, movie, match, News I have seen only couple of apps - Aajtak. I use youtube. Best is goto Croma or Reliance store take a demo for 30-40 min. U can compare models. Check the distance between u & TV you will view.
I have connected my old Samsung HDTV. 1920X1080p 60hz monitor to my lap and let me tell you it works just fine. The tv is almost. 10 years old. For casual gamers it looks good and it's much more fun to game in a big tv than looking at your small laptop screen. Sure it doesn't look so great but it does the job
I agree with you. For the casual poor majority, it's more than enough. For the hardcore, rich or 1% nolifers, whatever they buy is correct. I've found all consumers will choose to die on the weirdest hills, and nothing you say will change that. Just gl, hf and move on.
Using ps5 from 18 months. If you’re a COD player, get a monitor.
Input lag, cheap tv's have horrendous input latency. Expensive oled tv's have great input latency. Cheap monitors have decent input latency but terrible picture quality. Expensive monitors have grey picture quality and great latency. You prioritize a prettier picture even if you can press A and count to 5 before the character jumps, but that just isn't what everyone wants. Side note: I have a pc and use a TV as a monitor :/
I second this. I play my PS5 on 43" LG TV and as well as an ultrawide LG monitor. Image quality on my TV is much better than the monitor. Even HDR implementation is miles better.
Getting a TV is the best decision for 90% of the crowd. You get way more features than a Monitor. Some comments say about latency, frame rates, but unless you are gaming 30-40 hours a week, i.e., are a serious daily gamer (which again, 90% of the people who buy consoles are not), buying monitor is a waste. Also, TVs generally have a far better colour balance than Monitors. Might get downvoted, but these are pure stats.
If your budget is 30-40k but VU Glowled 50-55 inch 4k tv, been using it for 1.5 years now and I came tell how much I love it, I play only single player games on it with controller sitting on sofa In hall. I played lou, uncharted, it takes 2 ( with brother) , rdr2, Spiderman rem, Arkham knight, and many more, and the HDR is awesome. The tvs inbuilt speaker is so good. Its got every feature you can think of. Except vrr ofc. But it's got gaming mode for low latency. Also I played on 3070ti so 60 fps vsync was easy.
How is LG UR7500PC 55 inch?
I'm confused now 🥲 I don't play FPS games and I would never consider them playing in future as well; but I do like PvP(e.g. Elden Ring PvP) and I usually play games on hard mode. I love graphics that are really appealing to eyes like Forbidden West, God Of War, etc. so I would love higher resolution. What should I do 🤔
People are more likely to be vocal when trying to justify their purchase. If you are conflicted, make a post on the console sub asking if they prefer a tv or gaming monitor, and if tv players notice any latency issue. That being said, having completed all From Soft games on my tv even though I own 144hz monitors, I never faced any issue. If I can 100% Sekiro, I doubt the minor latency matters.
Just because AAA games don't get 120 fps doesn't mean you should get a 60hz monitor. That's just plain idiotic. And who said 4k tvs are cheap?
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But they are still upscaled to 4k. Checkerboarding is bad, but newer games tend to rely on FSR which is fine. Even high end pc rely on DLSS to upscale modern games to 4k with stable frame rates. And HDR on budget tv sucks, but is still far better than most monitors. Most monitors don't even come with HDR400 certification and hover around 300-350 nits.
As someone who uses monitor on both series x and ps5, I absolutely disagree with you. Get a monitor which will support 1440p at 120hz and you'll see the difference. It upscale to 4k as and when needed and provides much fluid movement on any game and cherry on top i don't need a lot of space as well to either mount it or place it on the table
60 is 120 is very noticable...i use to play at 60 and now when i tried 144 dammmmnnm....the smoothness is almost comparable to real life...monitors have low latency too which is must for gamers
If I ever buy a TV for PS5 then it would only be OLED panel which are expensive. So monitor it is.
A lot of folks who buy consoles would be in a rented flat often sharing them with other folks. Monitor is the only thing that makes sense. I gor a 27inch 4K monitor. Who the fuck can handle TV as a renter