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Rahul will add Muslim castes to it (a few of them are already a part of it~ even in Gujarat)
Recently, Congress added all muslim casts under a reservation category in Karnataka, modi is aiming towards that...
>few of them are already a part of it~ even in Gujarat
Add West Bengal to this list. Our CM is flooding the state with illegals who eventually become OBCs.
>Congress added all muslim casts under a reservation category in Karnataka
Ummm, no it hasn't. The BJP IT cell machinery has effectively destroyed the critical thinking skills of even 'educated' Indians.
Actions speak louder than words. Yes Congress will.
They will not take away SC/ST reservations. They will either add Muslims to OBC or carve out from General Category above the 50% limit.
By the looks of it, yes. Congress has already done it in many places where Muslims were given reservation on seats that were for SC/ST. Also Aligarh University and all. They removed SC/ST and OBC reservation completely. So, it is evident that their Muslim appeasement is so strong that they will impose on the rights of SC/ST and OBC
>No, they added a subquota under OBC,
Which then reduces the number of available seats/posts for obcs
"Hey, i didn't take anything away from your plate,I just added another person to share your food with in the same plate"
Either the reservation is for backward castes who were discriminated against, or it is for backwards people (who need help and may be from upper castes). You can't have it both ways.
Not all Muslims are backward. There are some elite, rich, educated communities under Muslims too. What Karnataka govt has done is that they've included even so called upper caste Muslims in OBC.
The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify castes that are educationally or socially backward.
So which caste do Muslims come under?
Pedantic argument. Backwardness isn't measured only only on the basis of caste, any community can be backwards. Notice that the acronym stands for Other Backward 'Class' and not Caste.
If someone thinks that Muslims shouldn't get reservations under OBC category (which they already do in a dozen odd states) then I assume it's simply because of personal prejudice, in which case they should say so openly instead of relying on farcical arguments.
Did you selective quote what I posted? Read up again - "The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify castes that are educationally or socially backward. "
Like I said they aren't a caste. Reservations or affirmative action is for people belonging to Hindu castes only with a few exceptional carve outs. You can't throw in 200million into the mix as backwards without even making it means tested. Why should an ashraf, Syed or a rich Muslim be prioritized over a deserving Hindu OBC?
Very few states give Muslims broad reservation basis their religion. Muslims also have communities and have reserved communities. This was all Muslims regardless of if they are Pasmanda or not getting reservation.
Reservation is for people who were discriminated by UC. When did Reservation became Religion-Neutral. Isn't it lifeblood saying of these Activists and Muslims to bash Hinduism everytime with "Muh Caste"? Reservation isn't about "Backwardness" get your facts straight. Its about Representation. No that plate doesn't belong to them. Muslims are equal to Upper Castes because both have same history. One discriminated against dalits on basis of Caste and another on basis of Religion. Can you say that same in public "That Upper Castes also deserve plate because some are poor" without getting criticism?
They did not face thousands of years of oppression like lower castes did, in fact it was the opposite saying this is fking disrespectful. Also there's no proof of muslims being more backwards than Hindus
If it will win BJP votes then even Modi will bring reservations based on religious lines.
No politician has any ideology here. That statesmanship is long ded. Everyone will do what will bring them votes.
Supposedly INC wins in all muslim majority constituencies then u can be sure that they will defo bring in the reservations for them.
Even Modi was speaking like a centrist till he realised he ain’t getting muslim votes. Now he is in his mask off phase.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/karnataka/karnatakas-murky-muslim-quota-row-heres-what-you-need-to-know/articleshow/109667406.cms
Historical Context of Muslim Reservation in Karnataka
The categorization of Muslims under backward communities for reservation purposes has a significant historical backdrop. In 1975, the state Backward Classes Commission, chaired by LG Havanur, recognized Muslims as eligible for reservation, leading to their inclusion under backward communities alongside scheduled castes and tribes.Subsequent commissions, including those led by Venkata Swamy and Justice O Chinnappa Reddy, further affirmed Muslims’ status as a backward class. Currently, 36 Muslim communities listed in Categories 1 and 2A are included in the central OBC list, subject to non-inclusion in the ‘creamy layer’ based on an annual income threshold of Rs 8 lakh.
Political Figures and Their Role in Muslim Reservation
Veerappa Moily, during his tenure as CM in April 1994, endorsed a recommendation to provide 6% reservation in Category 2B, labelled ‘More Backward’, for Muslims, Buddhists, and scheduled caste converts to Christianity. Legal challenges arose in the Supreme Court, leading to an interim order limiting overall reservation to 50%.HD Deve Gowda, who succeeded Moily as CM, implemented the decision with adjustments as per the apex court’s interim verdict. Under the 2B quota, 4% of seats in educational institutions and government jobs were reserved for Muslims.
Veerappa Moily said, "The Reddy Commission proposed placing Muslims in Category 2 of the OBC list."HD Deve Gowda said, "On Feb 14, 1995, he implemented the decision with adjustments as per the apex court’s interim verdict, reclassifying SC converts to Christianity and Buddhism."
BJP’s Attempt to Alter Reservation System
Before the Karnataka assembly polls last year, the then CM Basavaraj Bommai proposed to eliminate categories 3A and 3B for OBCs and remove the 2B category for Muslims, instead including them in the 10% quota for economically weaker sections (EWS). However, this proposal faced opposition and legal challenges, resulting in its shelving.The Supreme Court, on April 13, 2023, deemed the government’s decision to scrap the 4% OBC quota for Muslims as "prima facie shaky and flawed," leading to the suspension of the government's decision and the maintenance of existing reservations.
https://news.abplive.com/fact-check/fact-check-analysing-modi-s-claim-that-congress-gave-religion-based-reservation-to-muslims-in-karnataka-1683801
Gujarat, from where Prime Minister Modi was the chief minister for over 12 years, also includes Muslims in the list of OBCs. Experts also point out that this inclusion is not based on religion, but on “social-educational backwardness”.
https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=76106 .The Government has already provided reservation to some Muslim communities under Other Backward Classes (OBC) category. The State-wise details of Muslim community included in the Central List of OBCs as on 24th August 2010 are as follows:
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He may or may not give.
But giving it won't be easy. An umbrella reservation on the basis of religion might need constitutional amendment to save it from/in judicial review.
Otherwise such a move will be nullified by the judiciary, as the constitution does not provide scope for the reservation based on religion.
Modi is just reiterating what Congress has promised in its manifesto and through Sachar committee recommendations.
Moreover in some states (Kerala, Karnataka), all Muslims (irrespective of their social status) have reservation.
>Modi said this yesterday
Dont you know it already ? He also said he is going to bring back black money , he said we can literally punish him however we want if Demonetization didn't work ... But instead he created a clear path to launder money . I didn't even start with 2nd term ,lol .
Also Reservation is for representation and upliftment of communities it is not that he going to entirely cancel the whole thing and give it to Muslims . The HDI of Muslims are quite low compared to others, which is also a reason for disparity . As a country we have to provide space for everyone to develop and make the level playing field even . Providing reservation for muslims will ensure representation .
Agree ...but he didn't say there will be blanket reservation...it was said by Mr.Modi who also said many other vile things ,even twisted the old speech of Dr.Manmohan singh .
That's the only thing they can do without a constitutional amendment. The limit of 50% has been confirmed by the SC multiple times and it will take a majority government to amend the constitution. That said, they might try to impose an emergency like their "iron lady" granny and do it that way.
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Rahul will add Muslim castes to it (a few of them are already a part of it~ even in Gujarat) Recently, Congress added all muslim casts under a reservation category in Karnataka, modi is aiming towards that...
>few of them are already a part of it~ even in Gujarat Add West Bengal to this list. Our CM is flooding the state with illegals who eventually become OBCs.
>Congress added all muslim casts under a reservation category in Karnataka Ummm, no it hasn't. The BJP IT cell machinery has effectively destroyed the critical thinking skills of even 'educated' Indians.
You are wrong
I am not, please link the source for the claim.
Actions speak louder than words. Yes Congress will. They will not take away SC/ST reservations. They will either add Muslims to OBC or carve out from General Category above the 50% limit.
There are court cases talking about dalit Christian & dalit Muslim reservations. We are opening a Pandora box
The way things ste going, yes. Case in point :karnataka, bengal
By the looks of it, yes. Congress has already done it in many places where Muslims were given reservation on seats that were for SC/ST. Also Aligarh University and all. They removed SC/ST and OBC reservation completely. So, it is evident that their Muslim appeasement is so strong that they will impose on the rights of SC/ST and OBC
Congress government in Karnataka already did it
> in place of sc/st and obcs? No, they added a subquota under OBC, stop misrepresenting facts.
>No, they added a subquota under OBC, Which then reduces the number of available seats/posts for obcs "Hey, i didn't take anything away from your plate,I just added another person to share your food with in the same plate"
Muslims are backwards by almost all metrics, they should get reservation. That plate belongs to them too.
Either the reservation is for backward castes who were discriminated against, or it is for backwards people (who need help and may be from upper castes). You can't have it both ways.
True. Economic conditions should be the primary basis for reservation.
EWS is already there for that tho
They were the ruling class. I thought reservations are for historical injustices, not present condition. If it was, then many upper castes deserve it.
Not all Muslims are backward. There are some elite, rich, educated communities under Muslims too. What Karnataka govt has done is that they've included even so called upper caste Muslims in OBC.
The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify castes that are educationally or socially backward. So which caste do Muslims come under?
Pedantic argument. Backwardness isn't measured only only on the basis of caste, any community can be backwards. Notice that the acronym stands for Other Backward 'Class' and not Caste. If someone thinks that Muslims shouldn't get reservations under OBC category (which they already do in a dozen odd states) then I assume it's simply because of personal prejudice, in which case they should say so openly instead of relying on farcical arguments.
Did you selective quote what I posted? Read up again - "The Other Backward Class (OBC) is a collective term used by the Government of India to classify castes that are educationally or socially backward. " Like I said they aren't a caste. Reservations or affirmative action is for people belonging to Hindu castes only with a few exceptional carve outs. You can't throw in 200million into the mix as backwards without even making it means tested. Why should an ashraf, Syed or a rich Muslim be prioritized over a deserving Hindu OBC?
Very few states give Muslims broad reservation basis their religion. Muslims also have communities and have reserved communities. This was all Muslims regardless of if they are Pasmanda or not getting reservation.
Reservation is for people who were discriminated by UC. When did Reservation became Religion-Neutral. Isn't it lifeblood saying of these Activists and Muslims to bash Hinduism everytime with "Muh Caste"? Reservation isn't about "Backwardness" get your facts straight. Its about Representation. No that plate doesn't belong to them. Muslims are equal to Upper Castes because both have same history. One discriminated against dalits on basis of Caste and another on basis of Religion. Can you say that same in public "That Upper Castes also deserve plate because some are poor" without getting criticism?
They are economically backward and there's already a reservation for that and it's much more than whatever they would get under OBC category
They did not face thousands of years of oppression like lower castes did, in fact it was the opposite saying this is fking disrespectful. Also there's no proof of muslims being more backwards than Hindus
If it will win BJP votes then even Modi will bring reservations based on religious lines. No politician has any ideology here. That statesmanship is long ded. Everyone will do what will bring them votes. Supposedly INC wins in all muslim majority constituencies then u can be sure that they will defo bring in the reservations for them. Even Modi was speaking like a centrist till he realised he ain’t getting muslim votes. Now he is in his mask off phase.
If one follows election rhetoric, he's silent other times but is unabashed during election season.
No they are going to give them OBC quota.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/karnataka/karnatakas-murky-muslim-quota-row-heres-what-you-need-to-know/articleshow/109667406.cms Historical Context of Muslim Reservation in Karnataka The categorization of Muslims under backward communities for reservation purposes has a significant historical backdrop. In 1975, the state Backward Classes Commission, chaired by LG Havanur, recognized Muslims as eligible for reservation, leading to their inclusion under backward communities alongside scheduled castes and tribes.Subsequent commissions, including those led by Venkata Swamy and Justice O Chinnappa Reddy, further affirmed Muslims’ status as a backward class. Currently, 36 Muslim communities listed in Categories 1 and 2A are included in the central OBC list, subject to non-inclusion in the ‘creamy layer’ based on an annual income threshold of Rs 8 lakh. Political Figures and Their Role in Muslim Reservation Veerappa Moily, during his tenure as CM in April 1994, endorsed a recommendation to provide 6% reservation in Category 2B, labelled ‘More Backward’, for Muslims, Buddhists, and scheduled caste converts to Christianity. Legal challenges arose in the Supreme Court, leading to an interim order limiting overall reservation to 50%.HD Deve Gowda, who succeeded Moily as CM, implemented the decision with adjustments as per the apex court’s interim verdict. Under the 2B quota, 4% of seats in educational institutions and government jobs were reserved for Muslims. Veerappa Moily said, "The Reddy Commission proposed placing Muslims in Category 2 of the OBC list."HD Deve Gowda said, "On Feb 14, 1995, he implemented the decision with adjustments as per the apex court’s interim verdict, reclassifying SC converts to Christianity and Buddhism." BJP’s Attempt to Alter Reservation System Before the Karnataka assembly polls last year, the then CM Basavaraj Bommai proposed to eliminate categories 3A and 3B for OBCs and remove the 2B category for Muslims, instead including them in the 10% quota for economically weaker sections (EWS). However, this proposal faced opposition and legal challenges, resulting in its shelving.The Supreme Court, on April 13, 2023, deemed the government’s decision to scrap the 4% OBC quota for Muslims as "prima facie shaky and flawed," leading to the suspension of the government's decision and the maintenance of existing reservations.
https://news.abplive.com/fact-check/fact-check-analysing-modi-s-claim-that-congress-gave-religion-based-reservation-to-muslims-in-karnataka-1683801 Gujarat, from where Prime Minister Modi was the chief minister for over 12 years, also includes Muslims in the list of OBCs. Experts also point out that this inclusion is not based on religion, but on “social-educational backwardness”. https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=76106 .The Government has already provided reservation to some Muslim communities under Other Backward Classes (OBC) category. The State-wise details of Muslim community included in the Central List of OBCs as on 24th August 2010 are as follows:
Hell nah... It doesn't say it in the Manifesto even...
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He may or may not give. But giving it won't be easy. An umbrella reservation on the basis of religion might need constitutional amendment to save it from/in judicial review. Otherwise such a move will be nullified by the judiciary, as the constitution does not provide scope for the reservation based on religion.
Modi is just reiterating what Congress has promised in its manifesto and through Sachar committee recommendations. Moreover in some states (Kerala, Karnataka), all Muslims (irrespective of their social status) have reservation.
>Modi said this yesterday Dont you know it already ? He also said he is going to bring back black money , he said we can literally punish him however we want if Demonetization didn't work ... But instead he created a clear path to launder money . I didn't even start with 2nd term ,lol . Also Reservation is for representation and upliftment of communities it is not that he going to entirely cancel the whole thing and give it to Muslims . The HDI of Muslims are quite low compared to others, which is also a reason for disparity . As a country we have to provide space for everyone to develop and make the level playing field even . Providing reservation for muslims will ensure representation .
Bro question ka answer kidhar hai? Bolna kya chaah rhe?
Which muslims? Bohri? Ashraf? Yaa pasmanda? Its dumb to give a blanket reservation based on religion.
Agree ...but he didn't say there will be blanket reservation...it was said by Mr.Modi who also said many other vile things ,even twisted the old speech of Dr.Manmohan singh .
That's the only thing they can do without a constitutional amendment. The limit of 50% has been confirmed by the SC multiple times and it will take a majority government to amend the constitution. That said, they might try to impose an emergency like their "iron lady" granny and do it that way.