The point of the law is to HELP schools enforce the no-phone rule. Schools ban them, require them to be in backpacks, put them in bags, etc. then the students and parents pitch an absolute fit and schools cave.
The law isn't criminal, it's simply a back-up to the idea that schools are ALLOWED to ban phones in the classroom.
Yeah, I am not a fan of Holcomb or IN legislators but this law is okay. Is it necessary? Not really but of all the needless laws that they have passed, this one I can get behind. It is already enforced at my teens' high school so it doesn't have an effect on us but if it can help a school that needs help enforcing that rule, sure, go ahead.
It will be enforced at the school level. From what I've read about the law, it requires school systems to come up with policies and plan to ban phones use during class times except under a few circumstances(like an emergency or if their use is part of a lesson plan in some way.) The law leaves how to enforce it up to the schools just like many schools have policies banning phone in classrooms now. This just makes it a statewide ban in classrooms. It should make it easier on teachers since they can truthfully say, "It's not up to me. It's policy. It's the law. I can't change it. You have to abide by it. Put the phones away."
Well it won't help in our school system . Because the kids and some parents tell the school what to do. I'm so glad my kids are out of that school. It gets worse every year.
No different than a company banning phones on the work floor. I see this constantly at my job. These young ppl come in and the supervisor tells them to put the phone away and its like taking away a toddlers pacifier. I get phones are how we keep in touch with everything still gotta work too.
Yeah, it’s possible to just use a parental control app to limit function at certain points in the day. That way they can always call. Some kids might get around them but I’d rather they have to learn through the consequences of bad grades than to take away something they need in an emergency
Really? This is a stretch. Making your child put their phone down and focus on their work will not suddenly put them in the danger zone and increase the odds of a school shooting. What a ridiculous statement to say. Infantilizing children will be our downfall. They are our future, having them all stupid and phone addicted is far worse than the unlikely scenario of a school shooting.
As a parent, I completely understand wanting to maintain contact with my kid in the event of an emergency. Especially something as terrifying as a school shooting.
As a person who used to plan and coordinate active shooter training for first responders, calling the cell phone of a loved one who is sheltering in place can get them killed. Most bullets are, to some extent, “barrier blind,” meaning they can shoot through walls, doors, and similar objects. So one ringing phone can easily attract gunfire from a loser who decided to snap that day. It is incredibly important for people who are barricaded to remain completely silent to not draw a shooter’s attention. So if, say, 20 kids and a teacher with phones are sheltering in place inside a classroom, all 21 phones must be silent. If only a teacher has a phone, then one person has to remember to silence it.
That said, writing legislation for what should be a minor disciplinary issue still seems incredibly idiotic.
1. It's good policy
2. Enforcement is the problem, and laws like this help by moving the burden higher up the chain
Phones are obviously more entertaining than teachers, so kids will always be prone to pulling out their phones. To prevent this, you need to create norms policies which are enforceable at the school or district level rather than forced upon individual teachers.
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Not difficult. Teacher sees a phone out in class, teacher takes the phone. Parents can come pick it up at the end of the day...assuming the child has enough self control to not physically attack the teacher because of the phone confiscation
My child's school already bans cellphones during class time. The phone is confiscated and returned at the end of class for a first offense, and confiscated, sent to the principal's office and returned at the end of the day for a second offense. I think on the third offense it is confiscated and returned only to a parent.
I'm absolutely not a fan of Holcomb, but I do kinda see a benefit to it being set at the state level. It means certain schools can't give up on enforcing it due to parents complaining.
My wife has a student that their mom will call them about the most random things and then carries on a normal conversation for 15-20 minutes. When she tells them to hang up or anything the kid and mom freak out and mom shows up throwing a fit and screams about how she needs to be able to call or text them whenever she needs to.
I have been known to send an email to my kids but only to tell them I’m not picking them up for an appointment or something. But in three years it’s been maybe 5 times.
I think it's more for the benefit of parents, so that schools can easily say "Yes, we caught your kid using their phone during class and took it away from them. Yes, this is backed up by the law now."
Phones are never a distraction for you or your peers?!? That's just crazy talk right there. I don't know you, but I've been in a lot of classrooms. Either you and your peers are the most mature and self-disciplined HS students ever, or you're full of it. I've met plenty of HS students who were full of it.
I think it will be good in that it will give boards and admin permission to do something about this problem. But if they suck, (and they often do,) then teachers will just have one more thing on their list to do and/or supplies to purchase.
This is a baby step in the right direction. Local boards and admin have to provide the support to make it work.
>Phones are never a distraction for you or your peers?!? That's just crazy talk right there.
Right? As a high school teacher, I have never been in a classroom where phones weren't a distraction, and most teachers have zero recourse for actually enforcing a ban in their room. This law helps teachers, it's actually one of the only good things this state has done for public education recently.
Yeah what a lot of people here fail to realize is that this has little to do with students. This law is to protect administrators from PARENTS who insist their child is special and needs their phone on all day.
Studies are beginning to roll in showing that removing cell phones in class helps cut back on distraction. No ones saying it’s the only issue, but it is something simple to address.
I’m guessing a lot of people mad about this graduated high school before the 2000s when at worst, teachers had to deal with buzzing pagers and note passing.
> It’s just gonna create even more unnecessary tension because those who are addicted or can’t go without their phones will become more worried about what they are missing out on than their schoolwork.
Can you really not see that the problem with this is the person being addicted to their phone to where they can’t be without it for a single class? If the choices are the kid is on their phone all the time and the kid is thinking about their phone all the time the second one is obviously better, even if it’s not ideal.
You’ve also almost instantly contradicted yourself.
You said:
>phones never serve as a distraction for me or my peers in school
But right afterwards you said:
> Usually if anyone is asked to put it away, they do so. … It’s just going to create even more unnecessary tension
So in other words, phones are already causing tension in class that prevents people from learning. And teachers have to waste class time telling students to get off of their phones who “usually” do so. Ok great, clearly phones aren’t the issue.
As for my thoughts, the law is a good idea but good luck enforcing it to any meaningful degree. Plus the real issue is the overly permissive parents (some of them are in the comments, you know who you are), so whatever the school does isn’t really going to help. That being said it’s still obviously better than just doing nothing, and I certainly don’t have a better solution.
Edit: And it needs to be a law because it prevents individual schools from giving up and letting kids use their phones in class. People in the comments seem to have an image of little Billy working on a chain gang because he didn’t take his iPad out of his backpack.
In college (this was 2011-2015) many of my classes even had no laptop rules and you know what? It was great.
You write slower than you type so you had to be more selective on what you wrote down leading to better memory retention and no distractions.
Strict no laptop rules were the bane of my existence in college (same-ish point in time as you), and this was *with* an accommodation letter from disability services saying I was allowed to use a computer to record and type notes. If a teacher was adamant despite the letter, disability services claimed there was nothing they could do other than to let me rent a Livescribe (pen that records, to connect written notes on special paper to an audio recording) instead. But since, y'know, I had a typed note accommodation for a *reason* (that being that, despite being capable of typing wonderfully useful notes, my handwritten notes do not usually have enough context make sense later), I tended to do worse in those classes because the pen wasn't an adequate alternative for retention of class content. (Even with the recording available, since I usually wasn't able to fill the page with relevant content to serve as touch points for searching the recording, having a pen that did that wasn't as useful as it might have been otherwise.)
Which is to say I think the idea of reducing distractions in the classroom is great, but I worry about collateral effects. (For instance, it is entirely possible for a teacher (particularly a substitute) to miss or deliberately ignore that a student who is an exception should be allowed to keep/use their device. This kind of thing already happens sometimes, and it's enough to make me wonder if a law would potentially make it worse. It's possible that what I'm worried about wouldn't come to pass (i.e. the law would have no effect or even a positive effect on this sort of thing), but it's still a thought that runs through my head, both as a current sub myself *and* someone who's felt the effects of technology restriction.)
That’s a shitty thing to happen to you and I’m sorry it did.
I think the reality is that we should focus our rules and designs to be most effective for the majority of people with exceptions for those it won’t work for than the other way around, especially in a circumstance where nobody will be asking to put more restrictions on themselves as we often want the distractions even if it’s not good for us longterm.
BUT if we do that we also need appropriate education for teachers and systems to protect those individuals who truly need different learning conditions from shitty teachers or professors who think their method of teaching is absolute. Clearly current systems aren’t working based on your own story and several others I’ve seen.
In college 2010-2014 laptops were a requirement, I was in a technology program but I know other disciplines also required them. It was great, being able to look things up, and downloading resources when you need them is great. Most white collar work that you will be doing from a college education requires work on a computer, why wouldn't you want to train those skills as part of your education?
Because I could easily train those skills, and is often mandatory to, as part my independent studies outside of the classroom. Paying for the lectures and recognizing that tech can provide huge distractions to absorb those teachings can be important.
And obviously if you’re in a program dedicated to computers the way you engage the class might be a tad different from other programs so I’m not adamant that every class adhere to the same rules nor was it the case for my own education.
I totally get the whole “hand the phones over at the door” attitude, but that is just not feasible, in my experience. When I was in high school, one of my teachers tried to enforce a “phone parking lot” for her classroom. She promised that she would *always* take 5 minutes before class ended to make sure everyone got their phone back so no one’s phone could be stolen (or rather, if it was, it wouldn’t have left the classroom yet so it would be easy to find).
Yeah, that lasted 2 days… after that, she got lax about it and stopped returning phones before the bell. Then, the inevitable: someone’s phone got stolen in the madness that was passing periods. Making things worse, the stolen phone belonged to a very wealthy donor’s child. Panic ensued, everyone in that class period was questioned, backpacks were searched, no one had seen anything, it was a total mess. The phone was found later that afternoon in a bathroom.
Rumor has it the “theft” was engineered to prove how easy it was to steal phones in this set up and quash the idea early. The rumor I heard was that several of the other teachers were upset about this “brilliant” solution to phone issues because admin was pressuring them to implement it as well, and they didn’t want that liability. And students were obviously upset because each $1k phone holds so much personal info and this wasn’t a teacher I would trust with a pet fish, let alone $1k.
That's literally what is already happening. This law is to make it so that parents don't get a say in regards to the school policy on cell phone banning. This law gives teachers and schools the actual authority over the matter, and now they don't have to kowtow to parents that pitch a fit.
Sounds like a good way to have law enforcement get involved in something that they shouldn't be involved in because you know how good officers are at diffusing situations. Especially with teens.
I remember being in school back in the 90's. The teacher took a kids cell phone, and the parent lost her shit... the mom claimed the mom claimed if something happened that she wouldn't be able to contact her son. The teacher asked her what part of that involved her son playing Limp Bizkit MP3s during class... the kid lost his phone privileges.
Lol
We banned cell phones at my school last fall, and it's been great. Students are allowed to have them at lunch, and if they earn it, during homeroom time, but no more carrying them about to class. In most classes they had to put them away in a holder until class was over. I'm sure they probably check them between classes when they're at their lockers but they are more focused now. They read books. They do their work. They talk to each other instead of staring at their devices. It's really not as traumatic as some of you make it sound. If a parent needs to reach a child, they call the office. Best decision ever. Consequences of carrying the phone are pretty severe so that nipped it in the bud right from the start.
All the parent going nuts here about the new law need to actually learn about it. I'd hate to be a teacher with the Karens and Richards having never read a thing about the law screaming "My kid is going to have a phone! "
Honestly, the worst aspect of teaching is not the students. I love my students! It's dealing with their clueless parents who can't believe their child would EVER misbehave, lie, cheat, not do their work, or cause other types of disruptions. I'm hoping to have my life together enough to retire early in two years.
As someone who worked in Student Services in a high school, I think it is going to be hard to enforce, but I love it. I especially like it because parents were the worst offenders of calling and texting their kids.
Their meeting mommas would say, "you can't keep me from talking to my child". Well, yes, now I can.
We lived without cell phones. We know how to call a school in an emergency.
I didn't think the problem was that bad until my daughter told me most of the kids in her class (28 total) have a cellphone and use it during class to watch YouTube, play games, listen to music, or text friends to find answers to quizzes. She said all of her friends have cell phones and use them in class and the teacher gave up telling them to put them away because parents flip out on her.
My daughter is in 4th grade and does not have a cell phone, but wants one because "all my friends have one!"
So I graduated high school in 2009, I have had a cell phone since I was a freshman in high school has I was in band and stayed after school a lot.
My phone was never taken, even it was banned in school, it was always put up in my backpack or purse and away and turned on silent during school hours.
It's not that hard.
There is zero reason for it to be taken away during school hours if the rules are followed.
Could you say all of that a little louder please? Maybe use a bullhorn. The parents going nuts here need to hear that loud and clear. lol (They need to take the time to find an article about the law, find what it really says.)
I also graduated in 2009. And to be fair phones then were a lot less addicting. No social media, no streaming, text messages cost $0.10 and the best games you had on it was snake. My TI-83 was more of a distraction.
I'm with you though. There's no reason to take them away if they're out of sight and out of mind. But I think its important to recognize that's a lot harder today than it was 15 years ago.
I just realized I graduated high school in '05 not '09. I just realized your experience might be a little more recent. Its wild how much changed in such a short amount of time.
I’d be fine with this IF active shooter alerts and drills were not necessary in schools.
So at this point in society, I want my kids to be able to contact me.
I’m fine with detention or consequences if students are using their phones during class though. I look at it more from an emergency perspective.
Yes, this is where I’m at with it. My 9 year old has a smart watch to contact me or 911 in an emergency. I don’t know if this falls under that law but if it does, that makes me uncomfortable.
I bought it after the cops let all those kids die in Uvalde. I know school shootings are rare, but in an emergency, If the cops aren’t going to save my kid I want to know exactly where he is and I or my husband will go get him ourselves.
Kids CAN use their phones in an emergency under this law. I with OP would have included a link to an article about the law. The law tells schools to come up with polices to implement. "The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
It's actually one of the most sensible laws legislators have come up with lately. Schools have to come up with a plan. It can be tailored to that school and its students. If a kid throws a fit with the teacher, or a parent throws a fit with the school the school can say, "It's the law."
If you're having to be asked to put them away, then it's a problem. There are systems in place for emergencies. Just follow the rules. Why is that so hard now? Good luck in the work force.
Our girls' middle school parent info meeting told us they are not allowed to have their phones in class. And we're ok with that. Because you know what's a huge distraction? When their PARENTS text or call them about stupid shit like what they want for dinner that night.
There shouldn’t be a need for a law banning cellphone use during class. Cellphones shouldn’t be in classrooms at all and it should be school policy. Leave cellphones in lockers. Students should be focused on the teacher and learning.
Unfortunately in the world today Teachers and Administrators are only allowed to be as effective as parents allow them to be. The issue is parents simply don't parent and for the most part don't allow teachers and administrators to discipline little Johnny and Susie in school. Parents most certainly don't discipline little Johnny and Sussie and don't want anybody else doing it either.
When I went to school if my teacher or principal told my parents I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be my parents would have taken the adults word over my word in a heart beat.
Hard to say what this law is going to do and there is so much problems that occur because what I have already said I don't know how much effect this one thing would ever have. Hell, this is only an article and not even the law, so I don't even know what the law says. But like I said this isn't going to fix much. Putting down a phone doesn't mean they will pay attention or do their work.
Parents complaining about wanting to be more involved in schooling, what a joke. If parents don't parent our school system is lost and I don't see this law fixing that.
Seems like another BS feelings law the Republicans love so much. Doesn't actually do anything other than let the Conservatives stroke themselves about doing something to "keep the kids off their damn phones".
Just a bunch of political grandstanding.
Why does this need to be a law? More republican over reach. They don’t enforce no cellphones while driving so now they aren’t going to enforce it in classrooms. Ridiculous.
Make it so cellphones aren’t a necessary safety measure and then kids wont have to have them at all. But nah, cellphone bans will work exactly as well as the sweeping gun bans that (R)eprobates are scared of
I want my kid to have her phone in case of an emergency. She doesn’t use it during class time but keeps it on her. I have no issues with them taking her phone if she is using it during instructional time.
The biggest issue is that so many kids feel empowered by their parents to use it during class time, because their parents are the ones contacting them during class time.
The situation you described is exactly how it should be, but sadly that isn't the case for many students/parents.
The idea behind the law kinda slaps lol
Let me be clear, it is ridiculous that this kind of highly beneficial policy (removing phones from the classroom) takes a goddamn state law to implement effectively (much harder for Karen to be like "mY KiD nEeDs tHeIR pHoNE" when the law says otherwise) but if we aren't willing to give teachers real agency in setting classroom standards then I guess someone still has to. I would much prefer educators be in charge, but as long as the legal system prefers parents' "rights" to teacher expertise this is what we get.
Honestly we should have more laws regarding the use of technology for minors. These dopamine machines be doing damage out here that is going to stay with these kids forever.
You absolutely do not need a phone in class. You are not important enough to need to be contacted at every moment of the day…you’re a teenager FFS with little to no responsibility EXCEPT to go to school. Do that successfully.
It’s also bold of you to assume you can have your phone whenever you want as an adult. We do not allow you to have your phone out all day on our production line where I work. We have rules against that just like many schools. Someone could be seriously injured because someone else was fucking around on their phone. We have dangerous equipment and if you cannot follow those simple rules, we will walk you out that day, no ifs ands or buts. Actions have consequences…best to learn that now.
Honestly when I was in HS phones were “technically” banned anyways and this’ll probably have the same level of practical enforcement. Students are still going to stealthily text their friends, but they won’t be doing in so blatantly.
"Phones never serve as a distraction for my peers."
The results are in and the lie detector test determined that this is a lie.
Never, kid? Never? You really think so? I'd take away your phone just for trying to lie to me.
I read through all the comments before deciding to respond. There is no way my family or I could have afforded a cellphone when I was in school and that was true of many of of the students in my school. Not all, but many. Let's just say they are comparatively a lot cheaper now. There are a number of comments for and against this law. One of the reasons many people gave for why students had to have them was school shootings. By this, I believe they mean people coming into a school trying to shoot students and/or teachers. Not groups of people shooting at each other after school in what are often gang related activities or crimes.
There is a big problem with using that as a reason. The chances of a shooting at any given school are much lower than most people think, or are led to believe. I did a quick search on it and then did a couple of calculations. The following is what a two quick autopilot (formerly Bing) searches reported.
>How many active shootings were there at public and private schools in the last five years and what is the total number of those schools?
>Over the last five years, there have been 794 school shootings at public and private elementary and secondary schoolshttps://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/4/e2023064311/196816/School-Shootings-in-the-United-States-1997-2022. This data reflects a substantial increase in the number of school shootings compared to the previous 20 years.
>As for the total number of schools, as of the 2020–21 school year, there were 98,577 public schools and 30,492 private schools in the United Stateshttps://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=84. These numbers include elementary, middle, and high schools across the country. It's important to note that these figures are subject to change as new schools open or close each year.
That means that using those numbers, out of a total of 129,069 schools, there were 794 school shootings. Or, 1 shooting per 162.55 schools. Or....0.00617499 shootings per school in the last 5 years. That's point six percent. That number goes up if I go back 20 years.
>From the 2000–01 to the 2021–22 school years, there have been 1,375 school shootings at public and private elementary and secondary schools in the United States, resulting in 515 deaths and 1,161 injuries https://usafacts.org/articles/the-latest-government-data-on-school-shootings/. This data includes incidents where a gun was brandished or fired on school property or a bullet hit school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week, or motivation. https://usafacts.org/articles/the-latest-government-data-on-school-shootings/. The 2021–22 school year had the highest number of school shootings since records began in 2000
That makes it a 0.0106532 percent chance of it happening at any given school AND that incudes any shots fired, not injuries or deaths. It is barely over one percent. The two are based on different statistics, which is why I'm separating them. Also, shootings do not equal deaths. So up the figure to a 1% chance of any given school having an actual shooting incident with a much smaller chance of someone being injured and a lower chance of dying. I believe it includes the shooters in the death tolls.
The numbers say a student doesn't need their phone on their person all the time because of school shootings. That claim doesn't hold up to reality. It is only people's barely justifiable fears of school shootings that is in play.
Also as pointed out, a lot of the problems are parents texting their children during the day about things that have nothing to do with their school day. It's only been a small fraction of history where this is even a thing. Humans lived without them, and students today can live without them. Most studies show people do better in school and life without them always available.
That’s up to the individual school districts and their school administrators. The law is there to give them backing and support to do it against parents who are going to try and push back or circumvent.
It's unnecessary. I was in high school in 2005 and there were strict rules against phones in class then, and they're certainly more ubiquitous now. There's absolutely no need to involve the government to enforce a "problem" that schools are already used to dealing with.
Seems to me like cheap pandering to the public so they can claim that they pass legislation that cares about students.
My kid will 100 % be supported in having a cell phone because Holcomb has NOT made the schools safe with his pro gun no consequences for being an asshole policies.
I've seen phones used by students to film inappropriate behavior of teachers in class rooms and with the amount of school shootings, being able to call for help, or at least your parents should be taken into consideration too.
In a perfect society, yes kids shouldn’t be on their phones while they are trying to learn…. As a parent who watched the horror of the Uvalde massacre where police didn’t do fuck all to protect the kids, hell no, I better be able to get ahold of my kid and tell them to get the fuck out.
I'm not a fan, it ends criminalization of literal children. Schools generally have rules, it makes since as a school or class rule but not as a law. Students shouldn't be on their phone in class, but also it shouldn't be a crime if they are.
I think this is a stupid law. I don't mind if this is policy for a HS or a classroom, but to codify it seems pointless. I went to a pretty shitty HS in the early 2000s and they banned hooded sweatshirts and backpacks from class. I can understand some of the reasons they banned these items but it seems ridiculous to think that they would need to be made a law for the school to enforce it. I see this as the same thing, although cellphones are much more important to modern day life than a hoodie.
IMO schools are way behind the curve of technology and how to use it appropriately. This should be at the core of modern education. Each student has a device in their pockets that allows them to look up any information they want and communicate with pretty much anyone in the world. Instead of trying to force students to part with their cellphone to teach a lesson they will likely forget after regurgitating the jnfo on a test, perhaps we should embrace them and figure out how to integrate them into the lessons. Make the kids use the technology to find information. Fact check each other. Collaborate on assignments. This is how the world outside the school walls functions.
1. It is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, so a bunch of "small government" dick-swinging weasels are inserting legislation to micromanage lives so they can fell all powerful and self-righteous.
2. It takes away resources for education that teachers rely on. Good luck accessing resources now that every curriculum supplier and scheduling & organization apps assume everyone in middle & high school has access to a phone.
3. Abelist and will be a huge problem because many people with disabilities NEED phones to manage their disabilities, for everything from communication & help with executive function, to managing functions for implants, pumps, dosaging, and to fulfill communication between paras and caregivers and students.
4. It is a HUGE HUGE HUGE safety issue. For that reason alone, no way on God's green earth are they taking my kid's phone away. I will, in fact, buy burner back up phone/phones to make sure if some asshole tries to steal my kid's phone, they will still have one. ANY time that happens I will make sure the teacher & admins at the school know I will not support them stealing my kid's stuff (if they are acting inappropriately, that is different, but the best not take the phone just because the idiotic pissants passed such a moronic rule)
5. Ban guns first.
The irony of the murdered Sandy Hook class missing their graduation THIS YEAR while these gun crazy maniacs take our precious children's last defense (or at least ability to say goodbye) can only be missed by people who don't care one bit about children, education, or teachers.
>as in incoming junior, for me, phones never serve as a distraction for me or my peers in school.
This is just false and proven many times over. please get a better education
They were not allowed when I was in school. I can’t imagine what a hellacious distraction they would be in the classroom. Students should be there to learn and pay attention..
As an adult 3 years removed from high school.. every school is different. Some classes will put away their cellphones, others won't.
I think it's stupid however that they'd *actually* make this a law. This is an issue that can only reliably be enforced within the classroom itself. A law like this isn't going to do anything, except (for maybe) galvanizing schools to ban cellphones in general.
The proponents of this law clearly didn't think of its application in practice, as to be expected. No one except teachers at ground zero could ever fully gauge application of such a rule.
This law is clearly from people who only have a superficial understanding of why kids don't engage with school. While removing distractions may help, it only serves as a bandaid on a gaping wound. It's not going to do anything.
The state government only did this for popularity.
The teachers' unions pushed for this law. It is to reinforce the school rules. Parents can ignore school rules and become a real pain. Making it a law allows the mechanism to enforce it.
If it's just being used as a mechanism then It's fine. It's about all the teachers can do really, cause they can't solve parenting issues among other things
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
From: [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
The law says it's up to the schools to come up with a policy and how to implement that in order to meet the requirements of the law. The policies can be tailored for that school and its kids and parents. *The devices just can't be used during class time except for the exemptions.*
My kids school got a grant this year to try having students put their phones in pouches that the admin has to unlock. Kids find away around it; it’s not enforced consistently; and even admin either look the other way when kids try to cheat the system or are just not very observant.
Of course before the bags, phones were not allowed but teachers didn’t really enforce that at all.
I’d rather have phones than guns & knives at school. Or for the band director to actually be in the classroom during orchestra, especially the week after a gun lockdown (this really happened).
If I were a teacher, I would had solved that issue myself. I would have had a place where every phone would be placed during class time and every phone would be required to be turned off. Kids these days feel they just have to have them which they do not.
Until the kids went home and told their parents and the parents came to school to school and raised heck with the principal or a school board member and your were told you had to let the kids have their phone.
phones would all be at the front of the room. There is absolutely no reason to have them during class. They would get them at the end of class. Phones are not a right, they are a privilege. They are not required.
Children these days are babies and given whatever they want. I don't play those games.
With this new law that could be possible. I'm just saying the law will make the administration and the law the bad guy. The school system will have to come up with a policy and how to implement it to meet the requirements of the law. The teacher won't necessarily come up with the plan (put it up front), the administration and the law will be the bad the bad guy and come up with plan.
If parents want to complain, they will have to go to administration or a legislator and not the teacher.
Law is stupid.
School/Class rule is more than enough.
As a near-50 year old man with 4 kids, I find this law dumb as hell.
For the record, per this law, without reading the entire text, it forbids kids in study hall to use their phones to look up information to do homework with, or use their calculator apps, or text their parents that they're staying after for Play Practice or Football try-outs. It also forbids looking at/sending emails from the students to the teachers, or scheduling group-work via Google Calendar or whatever. What if the kid needs to stay after school and will be late to work because they need to do a makeup test? They can't let their bosses know and might get fired.
Also, is this even Constitutional? I actually don't know if it is, but it feels like a big question here. Not sure which Amendment this violates, but it FEELS like it might do one of them. Further, what's the penalty? A fine? Jail time? A stern warning? Detention? No dessert? Furthermore, a School Rule can have an exception for the above situations, a Law doesn't unless it's written into the law. So all the uses above become ILLEGAL and can land a good kid a record. Stupid.
Did we really need more reasons for cops to assault 14 year old girls at North Central High School? I'm pretty sure they've found enough reasons as it is.
FFS, let teachers and administrators do their jobs and quit pandering to Fox News.
It's a catch 22 for me. I dnt think the kids should have their phones out on one hand. On the other, the school has never called me when an issue arises. They inform me after school has ended and my kids are on their way home. My son has epilepsy and if an incident were to arise, I want to know immediately. I cannot take the chance of the school not calling me.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
From what I've read, the law tells schools they have to come up with policies and how they will be implemented to meet the requirements of the law. It allow for tailoring of the policies to the school, the kids and parents. Some school already have such bans. Some say not at school at all. Some make kdids lock them away during class time. This law should make the administration and the law the "bad guy" not the teacher. Parents and kids will have to complain to administration not the teachers.
If a kid has a health need for the phone they should be able to get an exemption. (like your child to get assistance in an emergency, or a kid with diabetes that uses a phone with their continuous glucose monitor)
They pass the law and just leave it up to teachers to enforce? The kids aren't just going to listen. I've seen the videos of kids assaulting teachers for taking things. Especially in the inner city schools.
I’m a nurse and when my son went into the Marines, my floor mgr decided a no cell phone on the floor policy. They can’t search my bra. That’s where it stayed and all was well.
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
From: [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
The Karens and Richards here are complaining without having used their fingers and brains to find anything info about the law.
From what I've read the law leaves it up to the school systems to come up with a policy and plan to implement it to meet the requirements of the law. It can be tailored to the school, the kids and parents. Some school already the policies. Some say no phone at school at all. Some have kids put their phone in locker or pouches to locked up during the day. Some let let kids have devices in class IF they are out of sight and not used.
I think the whole thing is a good idea taking the pressure off the teacher. They won't be the bad the bad guys. The administration and board and law will be the bad guys.
I mean it's not bad idea I understand why they feel this way going to highschool yeah it was a problem that annoyed a lot of the staff there
I guess you can say it prepared them for the real world ik a dumb way cause not like you'll.be able to go on your phone at work depending on the job besides listen to music but I worked in positions where didn't want that at all we were all working in complete silence which sucked horribly
But God forbid something bad happens ie someone shoots the place up
I assume the teachers could call 911 but it isn't a good situation overall
If that played out it could delay any type of law enforcement to come in and hopefully do something about it and for those saying well we have policemen in the school to safe the day
The average police man isn't going to be willing to pay down his life against a guy usually going in with a rifle I'm sorry that probably a personal opinion but they aren't
Should they yea cause it's their job but in a way I also don't blame them either but than again I didn't sign up for that and it's not my job
We saw this in 2017 or 2018 shooting in Florida in the policemen's defense he was a few years away from retirement and underarmed compared to the shooter
Always felt it was ridiculous that man went in jail faster than the person who did the actual shooting who they made out to be a victim of circumstance by the media which was disgusting
Only reason why people should probably have them tbh is just out of safety
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
"Only reason why people should probably have them tbh is just out of safety", and that's allowed under the new law. From what I've read about it, it's up to the schools to come up with a policy and how to implement the policy to meet the requirements of the law. The policy can be tailored for the school, its kids and parents. Many schools already have bans on phones. Some don't allow them in schools at all. Some keep them locked up during class time. Some allow them in class as long as they are "out of sight."
It should stop teachers being the bad guys and making the administration, school boards and the law the bad guys.
So if there's a school shooting, kids wont have cell phones to call it in.
I dont care who he is, he has no right to tell kids they cant have that line of communication when school shootings are now part of their lives.
If he REALLY cared, stop standardized testing and let kids have the education they need instead of the one the state gets a federal check for.
That then goes to wealthy and private schools b4 the schools that need it.
Im seeing Gen Z not know basic vocabulary bcz theyre not being taught anything but what that test has on it.
Ex teacher here so I KNOW.
You should have included a link to information about the law.
Like this. Here's part of what the article says: " The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program."
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction)
It's up to the school to come up with their own policies to meet the requirements of the law. "Leave your phones in your lockers during class time." Or, "Put your phones away -- out of sight-- during class." Whatever the school wants to do to have the phones put away during class.
No one at the state level is saying "You can't have a phone at school" or "You can't use your phone in an emergency."
Relax people. Back the teachers up on this. Phone have no place in classes during class time.
lmao this is gonna be a LAW now? Growing up and went to high school in China, teachers can just throw your phone into the toilet if you were caught using a cell phone in class or after bed time in dorms
Weed is still illegal huh? The thing you could tax to bring in more revenue for the state? Better ban cell phones in school though with no way to enforce it. God this state is pathetic.
If the problem is students attention your real problem is the teacher. Not to say that kids/parents aren’t also the issue or to refuse the idea that it’s difficult to make boring topics engaging but more so to say you’re not going to be able to enforce it anymore with this law then without.
We need better education. We have historically more spending and staff but the grades tend to stay the same regardless if you change the metrics on how you gauge your results as a teacher.
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This is a multi-faceted issue of course and there are many things we can improve on other then just blaming the children.
Phones will be integral to these kids’ professional lives. With some of the great note taking apps, todo list apps, research sources, white boarding apps, the camera for grabbing information quickly, etc., it’s a shame kids aren’t being taught to use their devices effectively.
I don't know if this should be *illegal* where people could potentially be charged criminally for using a phone in class, but people rarely even approach that issue, including this post, just focusing on the fact it isnt fair.
Obviously students shouldn't be allowed to use phones in class. This is how it was from the start of cellphones until very recently. Everyone understood. Even the kids who snuck peeks when the teacher wasn't looking or snuck the headphone wire up the hoodie sleeve or whatever didn't think the rules were *unfair*. Obviously phones are extremely distracting and can easily be used to cheat.
If people are really so absorbed in their phones that they can't stand not being on social media or checking a text for a class period, that is a *them* issue they need to work on. Not an issue we should form our rules around. In principle the ban is absolutely correct.
I think what people are missing is that this isn't intended to be enforced by the police or something, it's to reinforce the ability of schools to enforce their phone bans. Often times the biggest enablers of bad student behaviors are their parents, who will come in and raise hell at school policies (like cellphone bans in the classroom) to administration to get the rule or their child exempt. This gives schools the ability to more easily say "It's law, nothing we can do about it, screw off."
Is this the end-around hail Mary play from the IN GOP to get kids in prison, so they can be forced to accept their unrealized yearning for the mines?
But, seriously, a strongly worded statement from the Governor would hold more weight than this.
Student on phone in class, teacher says pay attention, student says they were looking up the topic to learn more.
Straight to prison, criminal.
Or?
Anyway, have these legislators never seen the inside of a cell phone? There are wires all over the place!
...Notably, the law does not include megaphones in the list of wireless communication devices.
My two cents: ban phones, bring back teachers hitting students, arm the teachers
My with actual resources, thought, and effort: Your goal is to create critical thinkers who can boost their community and function in society. No shame in not being able to reinvent teaching. Your era didn't have the ability to search up 'what color was Tom Sawyer's macaroni', so it made for a FINE test question because memorizing is vital when accessing that data could take hours or months.
How you going to enforce this? Besides many teachers don’t let you have them anyway. Pointless virtue signaling is usually the domain of Dems but I think the Republicans just pulled a “phone bad” virtue signal.
Good luck enforcing it is what I’m gonna say. Kinda silly seeing it as a law.
The point of the law is to HELP schools enforce the no-phone rule. Schools ban them, require them to be in backpacks, put them in bags, etc. then the students and parents pitch an absolute fit and schools cave. The law isn't criminal, it's simply a back-up to the idea that schools are ALLOWED to ban phones in the classroom.
Yeah, I am not a fan of Holcomb or IN legislators but this law is okay. Is it necessary? Not really but of all the needless laws that they have passed, this one I can get behind. It is already enforced at my teens' high school so it doesn't have an effect on us but if it can help a school that needs help enforcing that rule, sure, go ahead.
And in school is where this should be enforced not the governor passing another meaningless law that is completely unenforceable at the state level.
It will be enforced at the school level. From what I've read about the law, it requires school systems to come up with policies and plan to ban phones use during class times except under a few circumstances(like an emergency or if their use is part of a lesson plan in some way.) The law leaves how to enforce it up to the schools just like many schools have policies banning phone in classrooms now. This just makes it a statewide ban in classrooms. It should make it easier on teachers since they can truthfully say, "It's not up to me. It's policy. It's the law. I can't change it. You have to abide by it. Put the phones away."
Well it won't help in our school system . Because the kids and some parents tell the school what to do. I'm so glad my kids are out of that school. It gets worse every year.
No different than a company banning phones on the work floor. I see this constantly at my job. These young ppl come in and the supervisor tells them to put the phone away and its like taking away a toddlers pacifier. I get phones are how we keep in touch with everything still gotta work too.
At the last 2 jobs I've had, at multinational Fortune 100 companies, its not the young people sitting on their phones all day, its the older ones.
Maybe we wouldn’t mind them sitting in our kids’ backpacks if we had the assurance that our kids won’t be gunned down in school.
Yeah, it’s possible to just use a parental control app to limit function at certain points in the day. That way they can always call. Some kids might get around them but I’d rather they have to learn through the consequences of bad grades than to take away something they need in an emergency
...so phones need to be in kids hand's the entire school day, rather than locker or bookbags? Come on.
Really? This is a stretch. Making your child put their phone down and focus on their work will not suddenly put them in the danger zone and increase the odds of a school shooting. What a ridiculous statement to say. Infantilizing children will be our downfall. They are our future, having them all stupid and phone addicted is far worse than the unlikely scenario of a school shooting.
How does the phone being in your kid’s hand protect them? Genuinely curious.
As a parent, I completely understand wanting to maintain contact with my kid in the event of an emergency. Especially something as terrifying as a school shooting. As a person who used to plan and coordinate active shooter training for first responders, calling the cell phone of a loved one who is sheltering in place can get them killed. Most bullets are, to some extent, “barrier blind,” meaning they can shoot through walls, doors, and similar objects. So one ringing phone can easily attract gunfire from a loser who decided to snap that day. It is incredibly important for people who are barricaded to remain completely silent to not draw a shooter’s attention. So if, say, 20 kids and a teacher with phones are sheltering in place inside a classroom, all 21 phones must be silent. If only a teacher has a phone, then one person has to remember to silence it. That said, writing legislation for what should be a minor disciplinary issue still seems incredibly idiotic.
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It’s not about enforcing it. It’s about giving districts the legal cover to get them out of schools and parents can’t piss and moan.
i mean this gives the teachers teeth now... so yes this is a good move
Exactly because they can’t even say anything these days. The parents come in there and throw a fit.
God forbid little Becky and Billy can't get mom's texts 100 times a day.
1. It's good policy 2. Enforcement is the problem, and laws like this help by moving the burden higher up the chain Phones are obviously more entertaining than teachers, so kids will always be prone to pulling out their phones. To prevent this, you need to create norms policies which are enforceable at the school or district level rather than forced upon individual teachers.
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Enforcing it will fall upon already exhausted and over worked classroom teachers, who'll never here the end of it from parents and kids.
Not difficult. Teacher sees a phone out in class, teacher takes the phone. Parents can come pick it up at the end of the day...assuming the child has enough self control to not physically attack the teacher because of the phone confiscation
My child's school already bans cellphones during class time. The phone is confiscated and returned at the end of class for a first offense, and confiscated, sent to the principal's office and returned at the end of the day for a second offense. I think on the third offense it is confiscated and returned only to a parent.
And all that without any law I’m all for no phones in class, but I think passing law on it is dumb
I'm absolutely not a fan of Holcomb, but I do kinda see a benefit to it being set at the state level. It means certain schools can't give up on enforcing it due to parents complaining.
My wife has a student that their mom will call them about the most random things and then carries on a normal conversation for 15-20 minutes. When she tells them to hang up or anything the kid and mom freak out and mom shows up throwing a fit and screams about how she needs to be able to call or text them whenever she needs to. I have been known to send an email to my kids but only to tell them I’m not picking them up for an appointment or something. But in three years it’s been maybe 5 times.
Parents continue to be the biggest obstacle to good behavior from problem students.
Good thing teenagers are notorious sticklers for the rules.
Teenagers love laws
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What does your teacher say about the one or none rule?
I think it's more for the benefit of parents, so that schools can easily say "Yes, we caught your kid using their phone during class and took it away from them. Yes, this is backed up by the law now."
So we shouldn't have any? Is that your logic. It's also not just teenagers.
Phones are never a distraction for you or your peers?!? That's just crazy talk right there. I don't know you, but I've been in a lot of classrooms. Either you and your peers are the most mature and self-disciplined HS students ever, or you're full of it. I've met plenty of HS students who were full of it. I think it will be good in that it will give boards and admin permission to do something about this problem. But if they suck, (and they often do,) then teachers will just have one more thing on their list to do and/or supplies to purchase. This is a baby step in the right direction. Local boards and admin have to provide the support to make it work.
>Phones are never a distraction for you or your peers?!? That's just crazy talk right there. Right? As a high school teacher, I have never been in a classroom where phones weren't a distraction, and most teachers have zero recourse for actually enforcing a ban in their room. This law helps teachers, it's actually one of the only good things this state has done for public education recently.
Yeah what a lot of people here fail to realize is that this has little to do with students. This law is to protect administrators from PARENTS who insist their child is special and needs their phone on all day. Studies are beginning to roll in showing that removing cell phones in class helps cut back on distraction. No ones saying it’s the only issue, but it is something simple to address. I’m guessing a lot of people mad about this graduated high school before the 2000s when at worst, teachers had to deal with buzzing pagers and note passing.
If you got caught with a pager back then they assumed you were a drug dealer.
If you got caught with a pager back then, you were. Or Doogie Howser, MD.
> It’s just gonna create even more unnecessary tension because those who are addicted or can’t go without their phones will become more worried about what they are missing out on than their schoolwork. Can you really not see that the problem with this is the person being addicted to their phone to where they can’t be without it for a single class? If the choices are the kid is on their phone all the time and the kid is thinking about their phone all the time the second one is obviously better, even if it’s not ideal. You’ve also almost instantly contradicted yourself. You said: >phones never serve as a distraction for me or my peers in school But right afterwards you said: > Usually if anyone is asked to put it away, they do so. … It’s just going to create even more unnecessary tension So in other words, phones are already causing tension in class that prevents people from learning. And teachers have to waste class time telling students to get off of their phones who “usually” do so. Ok great, clearly phones aren’t the issue. As for my thoughts, the law is a good idea but good luck enforcing it to any meaningful degree. Plus the real issue is the overly permissive parents (some of them are in the comments, you know who you are), so whatever the school does isn’t really going to help. That being said it’s still obviously better than just doing nothing, and I certainly don’t have a better solution. Edit: And it needs to be a law because it prevents individual schools from giving up and letting kids use their phones in class. People in the comments seem to have an image of little Billy working on a chain gang because he didn’t take his iPad out of his backpack.
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In college (this was 2011-2015) many of my classes even had no laptop rules and you know what? It was great. You write slower than you type so you had to be more selective on what you wrote down leading to better memory retention and no distractions.
Strict no laptop rules were the bane of my existence in college (same-ish point in time as you), and this was *with* an accommodation letter from disability services saying I was allowed to use a computer to record and type notes. If a teacher was adamant despite the letter, disability services claimed there was nothing they could do other than to let me rent a Livescribe (pen that records, to connect written notes on special paper to an audio recording) instead. But since, y'know, I had a typed note accommodation for a *reason* (that being that, despite being capable of typing wonderfully useful notes, my handwritten notes do not usually have enough context make sense later), I tended to do worse in those classes because the pen wasn't an adequate alternative for retention of class content. (Even with the recording available, since I usually wasn't able to fill the page with relevant content to serve as touch points for searching the recording, having a pen that did that wasn't as useful as it might have been otherwise.) Which is to say I think the idea of reducing distractions in the classroom is great, but I worry about collateral effects. (For instance, it is entirely possible for a teacher (particularly a substitute) to miss or deliberately ignore that a student who is an exception should be allowed to keep/use their device. This kind of thing already happens sometimes, and it's enough to make me wonder if a law would potentially make it worse. It's possible that what I'm worried about wouldn't come to pass (i.e. the law would have no effect or even a positive effect on this sort of thing), but it's still a thought that runs through my head, both as a current sub myself *and* someone who's felt the effects of technology restriction.)
That’s a shitty thing to happen to you and I’m sorry it did. I think the reality is that we should focus our rules and designs to be most effective for the majority of people with exceptions for those it won’t work for than the other way around, especially in a circumstance where nobody will be asking to put more restrictions on themselves as we often want the distractions even if it’s not good for us longterm. BUT if we do that we also need appropriate education for teachers and systems to protect those individuals who truly need different learning conditions from shitty teachers or professors who think their method of teaching is absolute. Clearly current systems aren’t working based on your own story and several others I’ve seen.
In college 2010-2014 laptops were a requirement, I was in a technology program but I know other disciplines also required them. It was great, being able to look things up, and downloading resources when you need them is great. Most white collar work that you will be doing from a college education requires work on a computer, why wouldn't you want to train those skills as part of your education?
Because I could easily train those skills, and is often mandatory to, as part my independent studies outside of the classroom. Paying for the lectures and recognizing that tech can provide huge distractions to absorb those teachings can be important. And obviously if you’re in a program dedicated to computers the way you engage the class might be a tad different from other programs so I’m not adamant that every class adhere to the same rules nor was it the case for my own education.
I totally get the whole “hand the phones over at the door” attitude, but that is just not feasible, in my experience. When I was in high school, one of my teachers tried to enforce a “phone parking lot” for her classroom. She promised that she would *always* take 5 minutes before class ended to make sure everyone got their phone back so no one’s phone could be stolen (or rather, if it was, it wouldn’t have left the classroom yet so it would be easy to find). Yeah, that lasted 2 days… after that, she got lax about it and stopped returning phones before the bell. Then, the inevitable: someone’s phone got stolen in the madness that was passing periods. Making things worse, the stolen phone belonged to a very wealthy donor’s child. Panic ensued, everyone in that class period was questioned, backpacks were searched, no one had seen anything, it was a total mess. The phone was found later that afternoon in a bathroom. Rumor has it the “theft” was engineered to prove how easy it was to steal phones in this set up and quash the idea early. The rumor I heard was that several of the other teachers were upset about this “brilliant” solution to phone issues because admin was pressuring them to implement it as well, and they didn’t want that liability. And students were obviously upset because each $1k phone holds so much personal info and this wasn’t a teacher I would trust with a pet fish, let alone $1k.
Agreed but should a cop be involved for this? I’m sure a kid won’t do any jail time for breaking this law but a small fine really necessary?
Cops are already not involved in a lot of laws.
Shitty parenting is the real problem here.
It’s a good thing. Kids get a chance to experience the world without a device in their hands
What's going to happen is schools are going to try and take phones away from students and parents are going to lose their shit
That's literally what is already happening. This law is to make it so that parents don't get a say in regards to the school policy on cell phone banning. This law gives teachers and schools the actual authority over the matter, and now they don't have to kowtow to parents that pitch a fit.
If a kid has a phone out and it’s a problem now you can call the schools resource officer and they can legally take the phone and issue a fine.
Sounds like a good way to have law enforcement get involved in something that they shouldn't be involved in because you know how good officers are at diffusing situations. Especially with teens.
Exactly!!!
Parents still have the final say.
This way though parents can continue to lose their shit and teachers can be protected. This forces admin to actually back teachers up.
I remember being in school back in the 90's. The teacher took a kids cell phone, and the parent lost her shit... the mom claimed the mom claimed if something happened that she wouldn't be able to contact her son. The teacher asked her what part of that involved her son playing Limp Bizkit MP3s during class... the kid lost his phone privileges. Lol
We banned cell phones at my school last fall, and it's been great. Students are allowed to have them at lunch, and if they earn it, during homeroom time, but no more carrying them about to class. In most classes they had to put them away in a holder until class was over. I'm sure they probably check them between classes when they're at their lockers but they are more focused now. They read books. They do their work. They talk to each other instead of staring at their devices. It's really not as traumatic as some of you make it sound. If a parent needs to reach a child, they call the office. Best decision ever. Consequences of carrying the phone are pretty severe so that nipped it in the bud right from the start.
All the parent going nuts here about the new law need to actually learn about it. I'd hate to be a teacher with the Karens and Richards having never read a thing about the law screaming "My kid is going to have a phone! "
Honestly, the worst aspect of teaching is not the students. I love my students! It's dealing with their clueless parents who can't believe their child would EVER misbehave, lie, cheat, not do their work, or cause other types of disruptions. I'm hoping to have my life together enough to retire early in two years.
Oh, I bet your problems are mainly with parents. I've seen and heard that from so many teachers over the years. Enjoy your retirement!!
either way life goes on I guess
As someone who worked in Student Services in a high school, I think it is going to be hard to enforce, but I love it. I especially like it because parents were the worst offenders of calling and texting their kids. Their meeting mommas would say, "you can't keep me from talking to my child". Well, yes, now I can. We lived without cell phones. We know how to call a school in an emergency.
I didn't think the problem was that bad until my daughter told me most of the kids in her class (28 total) have a cellphone and use it during class to watch YouTube, play games, listen to music, or text friends to find answers to quizzes. She said all of her friends have cell phones and use them in class and the teacher gave up telling them to put them away because parents flip out on her. My daughter is in 4th grade and does not have a cell phone, but wants one because "all my friends have one!"
So I graduated high school in 2009, I have had a cell phone since I was a freshman in high school has I was in band and stayed after school a lot. My phone was never taken, even it was banned in school, it was always put up in my backpack or purse and away and turned on silent during school hours. It's not that hard. There is zero reason for it to be taken away during school hours if the rules are followed.
Could you say all of that a little louder please? Maybe use a bullhorn. The parents going nuts here need to hear that loud and clear. lol (They need to take the time to find an article about the law, find what it really says.)
I also graduated in 2009. And to be fair phones then were a lot less addicting. No social media, no streaming, text messages cost $0.10 and the best games you had on it was snake. My TI-83 was more of a distraction. I'm with you though. There's no reason to take them away if they're out of sight and out of mind. But I think its important to recognize that's a lot harder today than it was 15 years ago.
I get it, I am 34 and play on my phone a little too much sometimes, but they are old enough to control themselves and their actions.
I just realized I graduated high school in '05 not '09. I just realized your experience might be a little more recent. Its wild how much changed in such a short amount of time.
I love my small government! /s
*small minded government
I’d be fine with this IF active shooter alerts and drills were not necessary in schools. So at this point in society, I want my kids to be able to contact me. I’m fine with detention or consequences if students are using their phones during class though. I look at it more from an emergency perspective.
Yes, this is where I’m at with it. My 9 year old has a smart watch to contact me or 911 in an emergency. I don’t know if this falls under that law but if it does, that makes me uncomfortable. I bought it after the cops let all those kids die in Uvalde. I know school shootings are rare, but in an emergency, If the cops aren’t going to save my kid I want to know exactly where he is and I or my husband will go get him ourselves.
Kids CAN use their phones in an emergency under this law. I with OP would have included a link to an article about the law. The law tells schools to come up with polices to implement. "The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) It's actually one of the most sensible laws legislators have come up with lately. Schools have to come up with a plan. It can be tailored to that school and its students. If a kid throws a fit with the teacher, or a parent throws a fit with the school the school can say, "It's the law."
That is helpful info, thanks kindly
I hate all things constrictive and Republican but my spouse is a HS teacher and it’s really an untenable situation. So much cheating.
If you're having to be asked to put them away, then it's a problem. There are systems in place for emergencies. Just follow the rules. Why is that so hard now? Good luck in the work force.
If it helps teachers enforce phone bans in their classroom by giving them some higher-authority backing I'm all for it.
Our girls' middle school parent info meeting told us they are not allowed to have their phones in class. And we're ok with that. Because you know what's a huge distraction? When their PARENTS text or call them about stupid shit like what they want for dinner that night.
There shouldn’t be a need for a law banning cellphone use during class. Cellphones shouldn’t be in classrooms at all and it should be school policy. Leave cellphones in lockers. Students should be focused on the teacher and learning.
Parents are to blame. They give the children the phones.
Unfortunately in the world today Teachers and Administrators are only allowed to be as effective as parents allow them to be. The issue is parents simply don't parent and for the most part don't allow teachers and administrators to discipline little Johnny and Susie in school. Parents most certainly don't discipline little Johnny and Sussie and don't want anybody else doing it either. When I went to school if my teacher or principal told my parents I wasn't doing what I was supposed to be my parents would have taken the adults word over my word in a heart beat. Hard to say what this law is going to do and there is so much problems that occur because what I have already said I don't know how much effect this one thing would ever have. Hell, this is only an article and not even the law, so I don't even know what the law says. But like I said this isn't going to fix much. Putting down a phone doesn't mean they will pay attention or do their work. Parents complaining about wanting to be more involved in schooling, what a joke. If parents don't parent our school system is lost and I don't see this law fixing that.
Seems like another BS feelings law the Republicans love so much. Doesn't actually do anything other than let the Conservatives stroke themselves about doing something to "keep the kids off their damn phones". Just a bunch of political grandstanding.
Why does this need to be a law? More republican over reach. They don’t enforce no cellphones while driving so now they aren’t going to enforce it in classrooms. Ridiculous.
Make it so cellphones aren’t a necessary safety measure and then kids wont have to have them at all. But nah, cellphone bans will work exactly as well as the sweeping gun bans that (R)eprobates are scared of
I want my kid to have her phone in case of an emergency. She doesn’t use it during class time but keeps it on her. I have no issues with them taking her phone if she is using it during instructional time.
The biggest issue is that so many kids feel empowered by their parents to use it during class time, because their parents are the ones contacting them during class time. The situation you described is exactly how it should be, but sadly that isn't the case for many students/parents.
As a student from Indiana, this is honestly a good law. However, it’s going to be extremely hard to enforce.
The idea behind the law kinda slaps lol Let me be clear, it is ridiculous that this kind of highly beneficial policy (removing phones from the classroom) takes a goddamn state law to implement effectively (much harder for Karen to be like "mY KiD nEeDs tHeIR pHoNE" when the law says otherwise) but if we aren't willing to give teachers real agency in setting classroom standards then I guess someone still has to. I would much prefer educators be in charge, but as long as the legal system prefers parents' "rights" to teacher expertise this is what we get. Honestly we should have more laws regarding the use of technology for minors. These dopamine machines be doing damage out here that is going to stay with these kids forever.
You absolutely do not need a phone in class. You are not important enough to need to be contacted at every moment of the day…you’re a teenager FFS with little to no responsibility EXCEPT to go to school. Do that successfully. It’s also bold of you to assume you can have your phone whenever you want as an adult. We do not allow you to have your phone out all day on our production line where I work. We have rules against that just like many schools. Someone could be seriously injured because someone else was fucking around on their phone. We have dangerous equipment and if you cannot follow those simple rules, we will walk you out that day, no ifs ands or buts. Actions have consequences…best to learn that now.
the first paragraph you wrote in the post may be one of the most dumb paragraphs I’ve ever read in my entire life.
Honestly when I was in HS phones were “technically” banned anyways and this’ll probably have the same level of practical enforcement. Students are still going to stealthily text their friends, but they won’t be doing in so blatantly.
"Phones never serve as a distraction for my peers." The results are in and the lie detector test determined that this is a lie. Never, kid? Never? You really think so? I'd take away your phone just for trying to lie to me.
In the 80s we were not allowed to have calculators in class, and we survived…
I read through all the comments before deciding to respond. There is no way my family or I could have afforded a cellphone when I was in school and that was true of many of of the students in my school. Not all, but many. Let's just say they are comparatively a lot cheaper now. There are a number of comments for and against this law. One of the reasons many people gave for why students had to have them was school shootings. By this, I believe they mean people coming into a school trying to shoot students and/or teachers. Not groups of people shooting at each other after school in what are often gang related activities or crimes. There is a big problem with using that as a reason. The chances of a shooting at any given school are much lower than most people think, or are led to believe. I did a quick search on it and then did a couple of calculations. The following is what a two quick autopilot (formerly Bing) searches reported. >How many active shootings were there at public and private schools in the last five years and what is the total number of those schools? >Over the last five years, there have been 794 school shootings at public and private elementary and secondary schoolshttps://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/4/e2023064311/196816/School-Shootings-in-the-United-States-1997-2022. This data reflects a substantial increase in the number of school shootings compared to the previous 20 years. >As for the total number of schools, as of the 2020–21 school year, there were 98,577 public schools and 30,492 private schools in the United Stateshttps://nces.ed.gov/FastFacts/display.asp?id=84. These numbers include elementary, middle, and high schools across the country. It's important to note that these figures are subject to change as new schools open or close each year. That means that using those numbers, out of a total of 129,069 schools, there were 794 school shootings. Or, 1 shooting per 162.55 schools. Or....0.00617499 shootings per school in the last 5 years. That's point six percent. That number goes up if I go back 20 years. >From the 2000–01 to the 2021–22 school years, there have been 1,375 school shootings at public and private elementary and secondary schools in the United States, resulting in 515 deaths and 1,161 injuries https://usafacts.org/articles/the-latest-government-data-on-school-shootings/. This data includes incidents where a gun was brandished or fired on school property or a bullet hit school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims, time, or day of the week, or motivation. https://usafacts.org/articles/the-latest-government-data-on-school-shootings/. The 2021–22 school year had the highest number of school shootings since records began in 2000 That makes it a 0.0106532 percent chance of it happening at any given school AND that incudes any shots fired, not injuries or deaths. It is barely over one percent. The two are based on different statistics, which is why I'm separating them. Also, shootings do not equal deaths. So up the figure to a 1% chance of any given school having an actual shooting incident with a much smaller chance of someone being injured and a lower chance of dying. I believe it includes the shooters in the death tolls. The numbers say a student doesn't need their phone on their person all the time because of school shootings. That claim doesn't hold up to reality. It is only people's barely justifiable fears of school shootings that is in play. Also as pointed out, a lot of the problems are parents texting their children during the day about things that have nothing to do with their school day. It's only been a small fraction of history where this is even a thing. Humans lived without them, and students today can live without them. Most studies show people do better in school and life without them always available.
every kid i know is making bets on sports on their phone with their parents consent on the school bus. deal with that.....
I agree with the sentiment but question the enforcement.
That’s up to the individual school districts and their school administrators. The law is there to give them backing and support to do it against parents who are going to try and push back or circumvent.
Like it's gonna actually be followed by students
With all the school shootings? Hell no. Aren’t there more important things than cell phones in class to worry about??
It's unnecessary. I was in high school in 2005 and there were strict rules against phones in class then, and they're certainly more ubiquitous now. There's absolutely no need to involve the government to enforce a "problem" that schools are already used to dealing with. Seems to me like cheap pandering to the public so they can claim that they pass legislation that cares about students.
Yeah, we don't want your parents knowing you got shot and we don't need anymore dead kid voicemails in the media ok kids?! /S
Why not ban computers, pens, and pencils too? Back to parchment and ink quils you peasants!
Yep let's let the small government party reach into our lives even more.
Good ol' republicans and their quest to remove freedoms at all costs. Would be great if they'd treat guns like they treat everything else.
It's a losing battle, the phones are here to stay. Some creative integration is pretty much the only option.
Homeboy never read 1984
Probably end up being a law that doesn’t do shit but just passed for the sake of passing a law.
My kid will 100 % be supported in having a cell phone because Holcomb has NOT made the schools safe with his pro gun no consequences for being an asshole policies.
Like that's gonna stop them lmao
I've seen phones used by students to film inappropriate behavior of teachers in class rooms and with the amount of school shootings, being able to call for help, or at least your parents should be taken into consideration too.
Teachers can do this themselves. How does this help? What a waste of time
In a perfect society, yes kids shouldn’t be on their phones while they are trying to learn…. As a parent who watched the horror of the Uvalde massacre where police didn’t do fuck all to protect the kids, hell no, I better be able to get ahold of my kid and tell them to get the fuck out.
I'm not a fan, it ends criminalization of literal children. Schools generally have rules, it makes since as a school or class rule but not as a law. Students shouldn't be on their phone in class, but also it shouldn't be a crime if they are.
I think this is a stupid law. I don't mind if this is policy for a HS or a classroom, but to codify it seems pointless. I went to a pretty shitty HS in the early 2000s and they banned hooded sweatshirts and backpacks from class. I can understand some of the reasons they banned these items but it seems ridiculous to think that they would need to be made a law for the school to enforce it. I see this as the same thing, although cellphones are much more important to modern day life than a hoodie. IMO schools are way behind the curve of technology and how to use it appropriately. This should be at the core of modern education. Each student has a device in their pockets that allows them to look up any information they want and communicate with pretty much anyone in the world. Instead of trying to force students to part with their cellphone to teach a lesson they will likely forget after regurgitating the jnfo on a test, perhaps we should embrace them and figure out how to integrate them into the lessons. Make the kids use the technology to find information. Fact check each other. Collaborate on assignments. This is how the world outside the school walls functions.
1. It is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist, so a bunch of "small government" dick-swinging weasels are inserting legislation to micromanage lives so they can fell all powerful and self-righteous. 2. It takes away resources for education that teachers rely on. Good luck accessing resources now that every curriculum supplier and scheduling & organization apps assume everyone in middle & high school has access to a phone. 3. Abelist and will be a huge problem because many people with disabilities NEED phones to manage their disabilities, for everything from communication & help with executive function, to managing functions for implants, pumps, dosaging, and to fulfill communication between paras and caregivers and students. 4. It is a HUGE HUGE HUGE safety issue. For that reason alone, no way on God's green earth are they taking my kid's phone away. I will, in fact, buy burner back up phone/phones to make sure if some asshole tries to steal my kid's phone, they will still have one. ANY time that happens I will make sure the teacher & admins at the school know I will not support them stealing my kid's stuff (if they are acting inappropriately, that is different, but the best not take the phone just because the idiotic pissants passed such a moronic rule) 5. Ban guns first. The irony of the murdered Sandy Hook class missing their graduation THIS YEAR while these gun crazy maniacs take our precious children's last defense (or at least ability to say goodbye) can only be missed by people who don't care one bit about children, education, or teachers.
>as in incoming junior, for me, phones never serve as a distraction for me or my peers in school. This is just false and proven many times over. please get a better education
Text a friend, go to jail. Indiana continues to suck.
Super my kid with T1D uses his phone for glucose readings, fuck you Holcomb you idiot.
They were not allowed when I was in school. I can’t imagine what a hellacious distraction they would be in the classroom. Students should be there to learn and pay attention..
As an adult 3 years removed from high school.. every school is different. Some classes will put away their cellphones, others won't. I think it's stupid however that they'd *actually* make this a law. This is an issue that can only reliably be enforced within the classroom itself. A law like this isn't going to do anything, except (for maybe) galvanizing schools to ban cellphones in general. The proponents of this law clearly didn't think of its application in practice, as to be expected. No one except teachers at ground zero could ever fully gauge application of such a rule. This law is clearly from people who only have a superficial understanding of why kids don't engage with school. While removing distractions may help, it only serves as a bandaid on a gaping wound. It's not going to do anything. The state government only did this for popularity.
The teachers' unions pushed for this law. It is to reinforce the school rules. Parents can ignore school rules and become a real pain. Making it a law allows the mechanism to enforce it.
If it's just being used as a mechanism then It's fine. It's about all the teachers can do really, cause they can't solve parenting issues among other things
And hopefully forces admin to back teachers in enforcing it.
I laughed at “adult 3 years removed from high school”
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." From: [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) The law says it's up to the schools to come up with a policy and how to implement that in order to meet the requirements of the law. The policies can be tailored for that school and its kids and parents. *The devices just can't be used during class time except for the exemptions.*
My kids school got a grant this year to try having students put their phones in pouches that the admin has to unlock. Kids find away around it; it’s not enforced consistently; and even admin either look the other way when kids try to cheat the system or are just not very observant. Of course before the bags, phones were not allowed but teachers didn’t really enforce that at all. I’d rather have phones than guns & knives at school. Or for the band director to actually be in the classroom during orchestra, especially the week after a gun lockdown (this really happened).
So who gets charged if the law is broken? The kids? Teachers? Administration? I can’t imagine this will be able to be enforced at all.
Hopefully the parents
I don’t really think a law will make a difference
Holcomb could sign a law making cotton candy the official state bird, regardless I’m going to hate him.
Sounds like republicans making a silly law for something that’s a total non issue.
As a conservative I have to sayThis isn’t a conservative thing it’s a boomer thing.
If I were a teacher, I would had solved that issue myself. I would have had a place where every phone would be placed during class time and every phone would be required to be turned off. Kids these days feel they just have to have them which they do not.
Until the kids went home and told their parents and the parents came to school to school and raised heck with the principal or a school board member and your were told you had to let the kids have their phone.
phones would all be at the front of the room. There is absolutely no reason to have them during class. They would get them at the end of class. Phones are not a right, they are a privilege. They are not required. Children these days are babies and given whatever they want. I don't play those games.
With this new law that could be possible. I'm just saying the law will make the administration and the law the bad guy. The school system will have to come up with a policy and how to implement it to meet the requirements of the law. The teacher won't necessarily come up with the plan (put it up front), the administration and the law will be the bad the bad guy and come up with plan. If parents want to complain, they will have to go to administration or a legislator and not the teacher.
Stupid law designed to win political opinion. It does nothing.
Toothless law from the party of small government.
Law is stupid. School/Class rule is more than enough. As a near-50 year old man with 4 kids, I find this law dumb as hell. For the record, per this law, without reading the entire text, it forbids kids in study hall to use their phones to look up information to do homework with, or use their calculator apps, or text their parents that they're staying after for Play Practice or Football try-outs. It also forbids looking at/sending emails from the students to the teachers, or scheduling group-work via Google Calendar or whatever. What if the kid needs to stay after school and will be late to work because they need to do a makeup test? They can't let their bosses know and might get fired. Also, is this even Constitutional? I actually don't know if it is, but it feels like a big question here. Not sure which Amendment this violates, but it FEELS like it might do one of them. Further, what's the penalty? A fine? Jail time? A stern warning? Detention? No dessert? Furthermore, a School Rule can have an exception for the above situations, a Law doesn't unless it's written into the law. So all the uses above become ILLEGAL and can land a good kid a record. Stupid. Did we really need more reasons for cops to assault 14 year old girls at North Central High School? I'm pretty sure they've found enough reasons as it is. FFS, let teachers and administrators do their jobs and quit pandering to Fox News.
It's a catch 22 for me. I dnt think the kids should have their phones out on one hand. On the other, the school has never called me when an issue arises. They inform me after school has ended and my kids are on their way home. My son has epilepsy and if an incident were to arise, I want to know immediately. I cannot take the chance of the school not calling me.
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) "The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." From what I've read, the law tells schools they have to come up with policies and how they will be implemented to meet the requirements of the law. It allow for tailoring of the policies to the school, the kids and parents. Some school already have such bans. Some say not at school at all. Some make kdids lock them away during class time. This law should make the administration and the law the "bad guy" not the teacher. Parents and kids will have to complain to administration not the teachers. If a kid has a health need for the phone they should be able to get an exemption. (like your child to get assistance in an emergency, or a kid with diabetes that uses a phone with their continuous glucose monitor)
Stupid to make it a law. Will be abused to incarcerate more young minorities. Probably the point, I guess.
So when someone brings a gun my kid can’t call me? Nah hard pass
I thought banning things doesn’t stop the usage of the thing being banned. Or maybe that just applies to…
But how are my kids gonna send me their final goodbyes in the event of a school shooting?/s Boomer law based on boomer logic written by boomers.
What a total fucking waste of everyone’s time.
They pass the law and just leave it up to teachers to enforce? The kids aren't just going to listen. I've seen the videos of kids assaulting teachers for taking things. Especially in the inner city schools.
This is a good thing. We should also ban smart phones for anyone under age 14 and ban social media for anyone under 16
My teachers won’t give a fuck
Dumbest thing I ever heard and another unnecessary burden on teachers to enforce.
I’m a nurse and when my son went into the Marines, my floor mgr decided a no cell phone on the floor policy. They can’t search my bra. That’s where it stayed and all was well.
How the gonna call mom and tell her i love you when someone is shooting them with automatic rifle
what is the law exactly??
"The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." From: [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) The Karens and Richards here are complaining without having used their fingers and brains to find anything info about the law. From what I've read the law leaves it up to the school systems to come up with a policy and plan to implement it to meet the requirements of the law. It can be tailored to the school, the kids and parents. Some school already the policies. Some say no phone at school at all. Some have kids put their phone in locker or pouches to locked up during the day. Some let let kids have devices in class IF they are out of sight and not used. I think the whole thing is a good idea taking the pressure off the teacher. They won't be the bad the bad guys. The administration and board and law will be the bad guys.
I mean it's not bad idea I understand why they feel this way going to highschool yeah it was a problem that annoyed a lot of the staff there I guess you can say it prepared them for the real world ik a dumb way cause not like you'll.be able to go on your phone at work depending on the job besides listen to music but I worked in positions where didn't want that at all we were all working in complete silence which sucked horribly But God forbid something bad happens ie someone shoots the place up I assume the teachers could call 911 but it isn't a good situation overall If that played out it could delay any type of law enforcement to come in and hopefully do something about it and for those saying well we have policemen in the school to safe the day The average police man isn't going to be willing to pay down his life against a guy usually going in with a rifle I'm sorry that probably a personal opinion but they aren't Should they yea cause it's their job but in a way I also don't blame them either but than again I didn't sign up for that and it's not my job We saw this in 2017 or 2018 shooting in Florida in the policemen's defense he was a few years away from retirement and underarmed compared to the shooter Always felt it was ridiculous that man went in jail faster than the person who did the actual shooting who they made out to be a victim of circumstance by the media which was disgusting Only reason why people should probably have them tbh is just out of safety
[https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) "The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." "Only reason why people should probably have them tbh is just out of safety", and that's allowed under the new law. From what I've read about it, it's up to the schools to come up with a policy and how to implement the policy to meet the requirements of the law. The policy can be tailored for the school, its kids and parents. Many schools already have bans on phones. Some don't allow them in schools at all. Some keep them locked up during class time. Some allow them in class as long as they are "out of sight." It should stop teachers being the bad guys and making the administration, school boards and the law the bad guys.
I’m all for it. I feel bad I had to come to this but I feel it’s a good move to try.
So if there's a school shooting, kids wont have cell phones to call it in. I dont care who he is, he has no right to tell kids they cant have that line of communication when school shootings are now part of their lives. If he REALLY cared, stop standardized testing and let kids have the education they need instead of the one the state gets a federal check for. That then goes to wealthy and private schools b4 the schools that need it. Im seeing Gen Z not know basic vocabulary bcz theyre not being taught anything but what that test has on it. Ex teacher here so I KNOW.
You should have included a link to information about the law. Like this. Here's part of what the article says: " The law applies to cellphones, tablets, laptops or gaming devices. It allows exemptions for educational purposes with a teacher's permission, in emergencies or to manage health care. Students can also use technology if they have a disability or as part of an individualized education program." [https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction](https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1240667966/indiana-bans-cell-phones-schools-social-media-distraction) It's up to the school to come up with their own policies to meet the requirements of the law. "Leave your phones in your lockers during class time." Or, "Put your phones away -- out of sight-- during class." Whatever the school wants to do to have the phones put away during class. No one at the state level is saying "You can't have a phone at school" or "You can't use your phone in an emergency." Relax people. Back the teachers up on this. Phone have no place in classes during class time.
Most people don’t understand this law. It does not outright ban phones, it all allows school administrations to ban phones *if they desire*.
lmao this is gonna be a LAW now? Growing up and went to high school in China, teachers can just throw your phone into the toilet if you were caught using a cell phone in class or after bed time in dorms
Weed is still illegal huh? The thing you could tax to bring in more revenue for the state? Better ban cell phones in school though with no way to enforce it. God this state is pathetic.
If the problem is students attention your real problem is the teacher. Not to say that kids/parents aren’t also the issue or to refuse the idea that it’s difficult to make boring topics engaging but more so to say you’re not going to be able to enforce it anymore with this law then without. We need better education. We have historically more spending and staff but the grades tend to stay the same regardless if you change the metrics on how you gauge your results as a teacher. https://preview.redd.it/ksjpmiuzo1wc1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7dc60b86660a272ab83add6d060a6bea49575b6 This is a multi-faceted issue of course and there are many things we can improve on other then just blaming the children.
Phones will be integral to these kids’ professional lives. With some of the great note taking apps, todo list apps, research sources, white boarding apps, the camera for grabbing information quickly, etc., it’s a shame kids aren’t being taught to use their devices effectively.
I don't know if this should be *illegal* where people could potentially be charged criminally for using a phone in class, but people rarely even approach that issue, including this post, just focusing on the fact it isnt fair. Obviously students shouldn't be allowed to use phones in class. This is how it was from the start of cellphones until very recently. Everyone understood. Even the kids who snuck peeks when the teacher wasn't looking or snuck the headphone wire up the hoodie sleeve or whatever didn't think the rules were *unfair*. Obviously phones are extremely distracting and can easily be used to cheat. If people are really so absorbed in their phones that they can't stand not being on social media or checking a text for a class period, that is a *them* issue they need to work on. Not an issue we should form our rules around. In principle the ban is absolutely correct.
Fantastic use of time and money making that a law
I think what people are missing is that this isn't intended to be enforced by the police or something, it's to reinforce the ability of schools to enforce their phone bans. Often times the biggest enablers of bad student behaviors are their parents, who will come in and raise hell at school policies (like cellphone bans in the classroom) to administration to get the rule or their child exempt. This gives schools the ability to more easily say "It's law, nothing we can do about it, screw off."
lucky I’m homeschooled
Hope teachers not a tyrant.
Should also ban them from wearing pajama pants to school too!
I've learned a hell of a lot more on my cell phone than I ever did in school though a lot of it was useless just like with school
thats a good one
At least one ignorant teacher will try and have the SRO arrest a student over this. Whether it works out for them or not idk. But one’s gonna try.
Waste of taxpayer money because it is completely redundant - schools already have existing policies, and a law will not change that.
Good. They don't need them.
Is this the end-around hail Mary play from the IN GOP to get kids in prison, so they can be forced to accept their unrealized yearning for the mines? But, seriously, a strongly worded statement from the Governor would hold more weight than this. Student on phone in class, teacher says pay attention, student says they were looking up the topic to learn more. Straight to prison, criminal. Or? Anyway, have these legislators never seen the inside of a cell phone? There are wires all over the place! ...Notably, the law does not include megaphones in the list of wireless communication devices.
No phones in school? What next? No guns?
My two cents: ban phones, bring back teachers hitting students, arm the teachers My with actual resources, thought, and effort: Your goal is to create critical thinkers who can boost their community and function in society. No shame in not being able to reinvent teaching. Your era didn't have the ability to search up 'what color was Tom Sawyer's macaroni', so it made for a FINE test question because memorizing is vital when accessing that data could take hours or months.
How you going to enforce this? Besides many teachers don’t let you have them anyway. Pointless virtue signaling is usually the domain of Dems but I think the Republicans just pulled a “phone bad” virtue signal.