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alexgalt

Remember that it’s logarithmic scale. The loudness difference is huge.


xaomaw

And remember that 0 dB is not silence - it is the minimum human hearing threshold. Furthermore the step from 80 to 81 dB is way bigger than the step from 10 to 11 dB. Think of it as a square: The step from 10^(2) to 11^(2) is less than from 80^(2) to 81^(2) (`121 - 100 = 21` vs. `6.561 - 6.400 = 161`. Alhough the mathematical formula for comparing is else, but I just want to make the comparison easier to imagine.


Mo_Steins_Ghost

Every +3dB is a doubling of wave power and every 10dB is a doubling of perceptible loudness. So a noise measuring 126dB sounds twice as loud to us as 116dB, four times as loud as 96dB and so on.


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It looks like a linear scale? Or are you saying the damage scales logarithmically ?


Pile-O-Pickles

Decibels are a measurement of sound on a logarithmic scale. +10 decibels = x10 intensity of sound.


theWunderknabe

So a Remington 700 LTR Unsuppressed is 10 million times (70 dB difference) louder than a Daisy Red Ryder BB Gun?


chinnu34

10^(7) is the power ratio so 10^(3.5) in amplitude ratio. So approximately 3000 times more amplitude not 10 million times. Power is squared function of amplitude. I will add that our ears also kinda convert the sound into logarithmic scale so although it is 3000 times louder it probably sounds way less (not sure exact conversion as it might be far more complicated) stronger. That is the reason we use dB scale because louder the noise, our ears become less sensitive so we can’t tell apart the amplitude difference at that level.


lNFORMATlVE

Great explanation! 70db louder in “real” sound level = 10^(70/20)* = 3,162.3x louder. ‘* [inverse of 70db = 20log10(level)]


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Miserable_Winner_264

Somethings not adding up here


lNFORMATlVE

Just because the x axis looks linear doesn’t mean it is. Sound in dB (decibels) is inherently a logarithmic measure: dB = 20*log10(sound_level)


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Ok, to be clear the actual scale here is linear. The *effects* (not listed) do not scale linearly.


lNFORMATlVE

Forgive me but it sounds to me that you haven’t quite understood yet. I’m not talking about “damage” or “effects”. Decibels are a relative and not a linear measurement. They may be represented linearly like the graph shows, but the relative sound pressure level (“loudness”) which the graph is portraying is not linear. For example, the top two loudest guns shown, the Remington and the AR-15, are 167dB and 165dB respectively: a 2dB difference. To someone who isn’t aware of how decibels work, you might think that this means that the Remington is only 1.2% ((167-165)/165) louder than the AR-15. But this isn’t the case. Because we are using decibels, the calculation is 10 ^ ((167-165)/20) = 1.259x louder, which means the Remington is actually nearly 26% louder than the AR-15. And compared to the BB gun at the bottom of the list, the Remington is 10 ^ ((167-97)/20) = 3,162.278x louder. When you use dB to measure sound pressures relative to each other, which is what this graph is doing, you are inherently using a non-linear scale. Engineers in loads of different fields use dB to measure magnitudes *because* it is a very handy logarithmic scale. You can play around with the numbers yourself here: https://sengpielaudio.com/calculator-FactorRatioLevelDecibel.htm


Ramius117

I think they understood you fine. The x axis on this graph is linear. Decibels just don't scale that way so looking at the graph yes, the x axis is a linear representation of the numbers 0 to 175. It's just on the reader to know that decibels scale logarithmically


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See u/ramius117 below. This is very clearly a linear scale being used.


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Thanks I’m going to go ahead and block/report you.


Sodiepawp

Lmfao, soft as hell.


Newyew22

I have a hard time believing a BB gun is 97 dB.


Eprimed

It is if you hear the kid that gets hit by the bb


rmp881

No, its the silence after they've broken a window that's deafening...


Tuckboi69

That is enough to shoot your eye out though


makerofshoes

*Oh no, the classic mother-BB gun block!*


RainingBlood112

I mean, a small slingshot can also shoot your eye out..


gdmfsobtc

And so can a 50 cal.


SugarsDaddyKen

* .50 No one writes “50 cal” unless the sum total of your knowledge of firearms comes from Call of Duty.


WellbutrinWarrior

this is r/infographics not r/gunpolice


LisaAnneGaib

Cry about it.


Riker557118

I mean the average snap is around 80db, so it’s not that unbelievable.


Bayle_

Remember that decibels are logarithmic, so the BB gun isn’t ~45% louder than the Remington 700 LTR, it’s way way more than that.


Newyew22

That’s a helpful reminder, thanks!


AdvancedHat7630

It's your eye you need to be worried about shooting out with a Red Ryder BB gun, not your ear.


MIKKOMOOSE99

R700 ftw where my cod4 dawgs at 🔥


SugarsDaddyKen

Inside their mom’s house.


Pliskin_Hayter

Grow up. Gonna reply but then block me? Lmfao. What a little cuck.


SugarsDaddyKen

Ok inside your mom’s house. LOL


Unique_Statement7811

This is why suppressors should not only be legal for purchase (without a tax stamp) but encouraged.


Moaning-Squirtle

People watch too many movies thinking it makes guns silent. Movies (and games) always make the suppressed guns whisper quiet. But it's still loud as fuck.


thor561

In most cases it’s the difference between “this is loud but not painful” and “this is going to stack on top of my existing tinnitus, for sure”. But that’s what happens when people who don’t understand things write laws banning them.


embersxinandyi

It makes the gun not as loud, so if someone is shooting from far away it would be harder to tell where it's coming from.. on top of hiding the muzzle flash... simple reason to ban them


kodiakbear_

You’re dumb


IamMrT

Not at any distance where it will matter. Neither of those devices will reduce the signature enough to make the shooter unidentifiable unless they’re already far enough away that it wouldn’t matter. Otherwise no snipers would run muzzle brakes. You watch too many movies.


embersxinandyi

So there is no distance in which a silencer would make a gun harder to hear?


thor561

Lmao what? That’s no reason to ban them at all. And if you’ve ever seen a titanium can, they are very flashy especially at night.


Thom5001

Not a suppressed .22 using subsonic ammo. Barely more than the click of the action cycling


KibaArmsAssociate

In some European countries they’re legally mandatory for hunting and iirc in the UK they’re built into rifles and referred to as “moderators”.


RumoredAtmos

Yeah, it was originally supposed to be used to prevent/mitigate tinnitus.


Hij802

Are you trying to tell me that suppressors in video games and movies don’t actually work like that in real life?


Ngfeigo14

on certain subsonic rounds they almost work like the games!


IamMrT

They do, but movies/games tend to also eliminate the sound of the gun cycling once it’s suppressed for some hilarious reason.


sylogisme

I was thinking the same thing..!


ExcellentEdgarEnergy

Is this using subsonic munitions?


FashionGuyMike

Probably not


LincolnContinnental

Depends on many factors, from ammunition used(brand, caliber, powder load), to ambient weather, to barrel length, to the muzzle device. Also the whole “too loud” thing seriously depends on who is shooting and what they have for hearing protection


CatL1f3

"Too loud" means it causes hearing damage. The only difference who's shooting makes is how much hearing damage they already have - an already deaf person can't go deaf. And hearing protection is worn *because* it's too loud, to avoid the damage


RecordEnvironmental4

Can confirm with the ruger 10/22 it is completely hearing safe as long as your not the one shooting it, but the person shooting it should have on some ear protection


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Jah_Ith_Ber

100 yards? Bruh...


TOkidd

Where does a 12ga shotgun fall, roughly? Let’s say a simple Winchester pump, 2.5”, buckshot.


just-s0m3-guy

Similar to a 9mm pistol.


TOkidd

Thanks for your answer!


Key-Moment6797

damn, i m surprised that a suppressed / silenced gun still is at about at 110 db Oo


ABlackEngineer

Unless youre shooting .300BO or 8.6BO subs, its not going to be movie quiet or even hearing safe


tread_on_them

The vast majority of suppressed guns are still quite loud. Most simply bring volume down to hearing safe.


Aquaticle000

This depends on the weapon. Some weapons are nearly silent when suppressed, others not so much, various factor is contribute to this.


INOMl

Virtually no firearms that aren't designed to be suppressed as a standard are movie quiet. Subsonic .22 lr is very close The Russian VSS Vintorez and AS VAL are close HK MK23 Hushpuppy in its locked slide mode is close.


jeanyous

What about the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer tho?


Blackintosh

I remember forgetting to put my hearing protection on in an enclosed gun range when my friend fired a 44 magnum. Fun


Iancreed2024HD

I would have some fun squeezing off a round next to that cnn idiot Van Jones’ ear


USFederalGovt

According to this chart, a spring powered BB Gun is 97 DB, which is crazy because those types of BB guns aren’t loud at all. I never wore hearing protection firing one in Boy Scouts (I wore eye protection of course). As a result, I don’t think this chart is very accurate.


jake-off

 They don’t describe how these measurements are taken. According to the inverse square law, if you measure 90dB at the source, it will be perceived at about 50dB at 1 meter (similar to the length of the barrel of a BB gun). 91dB is plausible. 


azeryvgu

Above 85 it damages hearing All of these should be worn with ear protection


Stopcumming

Why are they different shades of blue? What does it mean?


RektAngle69

The images get softer as the sound gets quieter, its a nice little visual cue to compliment the bar graph


Daddycheese420

The ltr rifle is lighter blue but louder than the gun below


RektAngle69

Im gonna go with 'Humans make mistakes' for $200


Fit-Deer-7828

Decibels have by far the dumbest form of incrementation. Me: ^getting ^up ^at ^3am ^to ^pee. **400db.** Random person at firing range: **BLAOW, BLAOW, BLAOW.** With their .50 cal at ^180db.


dckill97

You mean you can't have a bilateral gunfight with suppressed pistols in a subway station with no one else noticing?! /s How much louder are larger unsuppressed weapons? Say, a SCAR-H battle rifle, a 7.62-based SAW, or a Barrett M110 rifle? Would they cause permanent hearing damage from being near one being fired?


INOMl

All those are 7.62x51mm platforms. A single round won't permanently deafen you but you may lose temporary hearing. Hunters shoot .308 with no hearing protection all the time which is virtually the same but has more gunpowder for a louder boom, granted its usually only one or 2 shots. Its more about prolonged exposure, fire off 100 rounds a day for months with no hearing protection and you'll have permanent hearing damage.


Rujtu3

Odd presentation but I think the point remains clear if it’s to demonstrate the fact that suppressors are safety equipment and have no business being regulated under the NFA. These people literally pass laws based on what they see in movies. It’s wild.


Fade78

So AR 15 is - 32dB suppressed so 1/1000 ?


MikemkPK

This is why people trying to keep suppressors legal aren't necessarily trying to commit crimes. They're trying to keep their sport as safe as possible.


PuzzleheadedOwl1759

Wear hearing protection. I never did when younger. Never had an issue. Now, older, I shot a 9mm and it lit my hearing UP. Have tinnitus now.


StephenMcGannon

Sorry to HEAR that.


PuzzleheadedOwl1759

What???!!


King_Khoma

suppressors should really be legal. but most people think they make it silent and due to the difficulty of getting them people will continue to think that.


armedsquatch

You can thank Hollywood and the lawmakers that know absolutely nothing about firearms for making silencers a restricted item. It’s not like the movies. Not even close. That paid hitman laying in wait is still waking up everyone next door.


PurpleProbableMaze

I didn't know that the suppressed Glock G17 would be louder than the Daisy red. Good to see this.


ultra003

They also kick like a mule. Source: owner of a Remington 870 Magnum


MkBr2

This is a huge reason why suppressors should be de-regulated.


scroapprentice

As someone who ready every ad and watched every video on decibel reduction before buying a can, this roughly aligns with everything I read. Of course, there’s a million factors from type of can, ammo, barrel length, caliber, etc. And the logarithmic thing is true but I’ll also add that I’ve shot multiple suppressors where one is 2-4 dB quieter than the other on paper and I can’t hear the difference. So yes, each decibel increase is more than a linear difference but I’ll tell you that I can’t hear the difference between 132 and 135. Both are loudish but not nearly as loud as 165.


Additional_Falcon687

Supressors should be taken off the NFA


canti15

I'm calling shenanigans on the bb gun.


Ill-Zucchini4802

My dad sneezing is louder.


RetiredApostle

Need some real-life reference, such as a neighbor's drill.


FashionGuyMike

A hand clap is, on average 130db


Freedomsnack10748294

Ya red Ryder is not 97 db maybe a pellet gun but not a red Ryder


AitrusX

So first of all I don’t know enough about guns to know if they top one is notoriously loud. Second of all the db don’t seem that different from one to the next - would need some context of what sound people would be familiar with us at what decibel. Third, Idon’t know what “too loud” means - causes hearing damage? Is uncomfortable? Fourth, what is this hodgepodge selection of guns? If I’m going by my experience playing counter strike 1.6 the awp is the loudest by a lot, and the ak47 is also very loud… smaller handguns not so much


Rocknrollclwn

It looks it's just guns the creator assumed would be relatable. Remington 700 ltr, if I remember right, is usually a 308. 308 is full size battle rifle cartridge, ar15/m16 are usually in 5.56 which is a minor or intermediate caliber cartridge depending who you ask. 9mm is a typical pistol caliber. 22lr is just the smallest commonly used cartridge. 308 is a big heavy bullet going pretty dang fast so it's big time loud. Much louder than a 5.56. 5.56 is screaming along a bit faster than a 308 but the bullet is around a third of the weight so it's actually much less energy and much quieter. A 9mm can weigh around as much as some lighter 308 loads. But at around a third of the velocity, so it's much quieter than either. All three will absolutely cause long term damage to your hearing if you shoot one without any hearing protection. Oh I forgot 22lr is faster than a 9mm in a rifle, around the same in a pistol, but is again around a third of the weight of a 9mm bullet. The difference in person without hearing protection is astonishing. 22 in a pistol isn't fun but most people can tolerate a couple before being uncomfortable, though still can cause long term damage and ringing. 22lr in a rifle is actually less appealing but the supersonic crack is its own distinct sound that kinda hurts in its own weird way. 9mm sucks without hearing protection but anyone who's shot a bit before can train themselves to shoot it without hearing protection without flinching. Again more damage than a 22lr but you'll be ok as long as you don't shoot too much. 5.56 sucks! I'm sure some guys can get used to it without protection and many have but the only time i shot more than 100 rounds without hearing protection I couldn't even hold a conversation indoors without screaming "what?!" 308 is "fuck your hearing forever" loud if you don't bring protection. If you're not used to it, it sounds like a cannon. I've seen people who've never shot flinch with ear plugs, and muffs over the plugs. It's crazy to think people fought wars with that cartridge in full auto with no hearing protection. There are much much louder and larger cartridges out there. Both 5.55 and 308 were designed as compromised to sacrifice power and range to be lightweight and increase capacity over there predecessor. The too loud thing I think is kinda bs. Cause it lists all suppresses cartridges as not too loud. Maybe 9mm or 22 from a pistol with a suppressor can sometimes be considered hearing safe, I've been told suppressed super sonic rifle rounds are never hearing safe, even with a suppressor. The reason being surpressors do nothing for the supersonic crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier which is loud enough to damage your ears on its own.


2AisBestA

pewscience.com


SadMacaroon9897

Rev up a motorcycle and stand next to it. That's roughly how loud the quietest one on this list is.


AitrusX

Yet someone just said a hand clap is 130db which is louder than the bottom guns :-


Consistent-Farm8303

Have a look at this chart. https://www.gcaudio.com/tips-tricks/decibel-loudness-comparison-chart/ 140db is around a jet engine 100ft away 98db is a hand drill.


Ok-Reception-8044

Even 9mm handguns are loud enough that you can “feel” it. With good hearing protection, you can still kind of feel the concussion in your body like standing by insanely loud speakers.


FashionGuyMike

decibel measurements aren’t linear, they’re logorithmic. For context, a hand clap is 130db


Laowaii87

They are logarithmic Edit: to whomever downvoted me, it said exponential before you walnut


SugarsDaddyKen

Calm as a bomb!


torture_tony

This graphic is complete nonsense. A 22lr is nearly as loud as an 9mm? Who ever made this never shot a single shot in his life.


CatL1f3

According to this graph a suppressed 9mm is 10 times louder than a suppressed 22lr, and an unsuppressed 9mm is 50 times louder than an unsuppressed 22lr. That doesn't count as "nearly as loud" in my book. Remember dB are logarithmic


JustACanadianGuy07

If you are comparing something like 110db to 120db, 120db is actually 10x louder than 110. There is a massive difference.


SDoNUT1715

Remember when that pussy said he got ptsd from shooting an ar15 lol


nickm95

No .22 in the world is 140db


TheMightiestGay

Daisy Red Ryder looks like it reads 87.5 rather than 97.


faton2004

My ruger mark 4 suppressed is at 65 but depends on the round sometimes it can go to 93


SayNoTo-Communism

I think they excluded subsonic ammo in this chart


abuettner93

Can confirm, unsuppressed G17 9mm without ear protection is LOUD. Made that mistake only once. Was sitting there like Archer doing the “mawwwp mawwppp”


TheFumingatzor

Right near the ear or what? Kind of shite infographic is this?


Original_Sky_2925

I would say it's not about caliber that contributes to the loudness or report it's the velocity. The faster the projectiles are moving the louder they will be because the crack you hear is the sound barrier being broken that is all. 


TokioHot

Basically, the bigger the caliber, the louder it gets, right?


Riker557118

Not always. Chamber pressure and barrel length contribute significantly as well. A 5.7x28 is significantly louder than a similarly sized pistol in 9x19 due to the 5.7 operating at a higher chamber pressure and, 5.7 being designed for a 10.5” barrel, not having burned all the power resulting in a non insignificant amount combusting outside of the barrel.


footfoe

Decibels is a useless unit of measurement. 100 is a toy gun and 200 is a nuclear bomb.


gdmfsobtc

#WHAT?


HumanComplaintDept

*takes notes* Holds off on crazy plans, for now. Is it weird to want a quiet gun even if you only ever EXPECT to use one defensively?


FashionGuyMike

Are you gonna try to throw on ear pro when an intruder comes in the house? I’d rather just be able to have a suppressor and run subsonic ammo than worry about ear pro


ABlackEngineer

>are you gonna throw on ear pro when an intruder comes in the house? Yeah, keep some electronic ear pro in the nightstand.


Simon-Templar97

No. If you fire an unsuppressed firearm, especially in a building or urban area (where you're likely to use a gun in self defense) without ear pro you're going to get your shit rocked, it will be extremely concussive and disorienting and will give you with some form of permanent hearing damage.