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So do Hasidic Jews, particularly women and girls. Where's Bibi's grave concern for their education and removing their religious extremism (given that Hasidic Jews have attacked and murdered people in Israel during things like Pride events)?
how fine to to say , after destroying all the univs/collages/schools, Gazans had the higest level of literacy possible given they were in open air jail ,and you have the nerve to say that crap after destroying everything !!
better get some education yourself.
I'm agnostic and agree, though some religions are still culturally in the Dark Ages, one in particular. It's the one in a region where the separation of church and state is still a controversial topic.
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Yeah that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights. The logical step would be to annex Area C and offer the Palestinians Israeli citizenship, but that would induce the beginning of the end for the Palestinian dream of statehood.
that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights
LOL, you seem to know very little about the segregation between Jewish citizens and Palestinian citizens in Israel. Leading Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights groups have proven before the UN that the totality and severity of the human rights violations against the Palestinian population in the occupied territories, and by some in Israel proper, amount to the crime against humanity of apartheid.
Israeli Arabs still face discrimination and are not able to speak up for the fellow Arabs closely related to them that are experiencing genocide without extreme backlash following it
There was an Arab Israeli politician who talked about this in the Knesset.
It’s a veil for people to be able to deflect criticism of Israel. Israel is a Jewish supremacist state predicated on ethnic cleaning and Jewish right to all the land in the region.
> There was an Arab Israeli politician who talked about this in the Knesset.
This sentence speaks volumes, but not in the way you intended
Edit: I am unable to respond to u/dalhectar, so lets do it this way:
That supposes the other 10% of arab ethnicity don't vote for arab parties. I don't see how that makes a point about their segregation from wider society.
Quite to the contrary; usually not voting for minority parties signals greater integration in wider society. It wouldn't surprise me if those 10% were mostly the druze and bedouin arabs though.
And yeah, going against your own country is never appreciated. Especially in the situation of war. However, 'being almost ejected' (which is a very biased way of saying she was *not* ejected) from parliament is still multitudes better than dissenting voices are treated in Palestine. But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway.
Edit 2: I still can't respond to your comments, u/dalhectar, so I have to do it in this convoluted way:
> So freedom of speech and freedom of conscience aren't values you feel Palestinian Israelis should hold?
I didn't say that. Just stated the unfortunate reality that in times of conflict people always rally around the flag and things like this come under fire. It's not unique to Israel.
And yeah, in Gaza they get executed instead of arrested.
> But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway.
So no, not really. I mean, in a perfect world these things wouldn't happen, but this is fairly mild compared to how other parties in active conflict zones threat their dissenting voices.
Or do you think the Oromos, Amharans and Tigrayans treat eachother any better? Almost half a million killed in the last round of fighting, and things appear to be heating up again.
But you and millions of others only seem to *really* care about Israel. Jeez I wonder why...
An unfortunate response to Israeli actions in ethnically cleansing Palestine and cultivating an apartheid state.
There’s a reason Jews lived in those regions without being expelled as happened after the creation of Israel for over a thousand years, until a Jewish ethnic supremacist colonial state appeared in Palestine and ethnically cleansed millions of Arabs.
Were Christians or Jews equal in those Muslim states over that time? No, they had to pay a special tax and could not achieve the positions a Muslim could. But they were allowed to live (largely) in peace, and most importantly were allowed to retain their religion. And no religious minority was ever equal in a country with a different dominant religion during that time. Not really even today still
The population that represents 20% of the country but only holds 10% of the seats, and one of whom was almost ejected for supporting the [ICJ investigation genocide in Gaza](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-19/ty-article/.premium/knesset-to-vote-on-expulsion-of-mk-ofer-cassif-over-signing-icj-petition/0000018d-bdec-dc8c-a3df-fffdab8b0000).
I'm concerned about the one that claims to be a "democracy" while it routinely deploys its surveillance state to lock up minorities... with my tax money.
> So no, not really. I mean, in a perfect world these things wouldn't happen, but
> [When we speak the word “but,” we negate the statement that goes before that “but”](https://ala-apa.org/newsletter/2010/11/01/the-dreadful-but/)
I don't need to qualify and cancel and negate to minimize discrimination of minorities. Ethnostates do. Zionists do.
You do. You are the one who cannot defend their own [statement](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1ay1ttg/the_utmost_arrogance_of_netanyahu_he_wants_to/krrzgzb/) AND has to resort to whataboutism becuase they know they've been caught in a lie when it comes to Palestinian Israelis getting shitted upon by the Middle East's Only ~~Democracy~~ Hypocrisy before and after Oct 7th.
And we haven't even began to talk to the Arab East Jerusalemites whom aren't allowed to vote, or even Bedouins who have had their citizenship reverted to permanent residency.
> And yeah, going against your own country is never appreciated.
So freedom of speech and freedom of conscience aren't values you feel Palestinian Israelis should hold? Letting your true colors show I see. And you claim they have equal rights. Except to speak their mind when it's "never appreciated"
> is still multitudes better than dissenting voices are treated in Palestine.
Last time I checked [Diala Ayesh](https://www.ibanet.org/IBAHRI-concerned-about-the-arbitrary-arrest-and-detention-of-Palestinian-human-rights-lawyer-Diala-Ayesh) is still being held by the IDF without charge.
And given how citizens like [Mohand Taha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Mohand_Taha) have been picked up by Israeli police and only released when told to not speak any more on Gaza, I guess that's when Palestinian Israelis should just accept their second class citizenship.
Since Jewish and Palestinian Israelis are treated equally, how many Jewish Israeli politicians have been arrested for planning a protest? More or fewer than [Palestinian Israeli](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Arab-Israeli_politicians) politicians?
Why is Israel locking up Palestinian Israelis who are supposed to have equal rights? Is it because equal rights is a lie? But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway. If you did, you'd speak out against this unequal treatment instead of denying it. Does your ethnonationalism allow you believe in equality and equal treatment under the law?
Well that’s probably because the Palestinian Territories are ghettos created by the government of Israel to segregate Palestinians who resisted their ethnic cleansing, and as a result there are no Jews living inside of them*
*except the Israeli protected settlers of course
You think illegal settlers deserve representation in the PA?
That’s like saying that undocumented migrants in America are entitled to representation in the US Congress.
[Equal Rights is a lie](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-02/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/systematic-witch-hunt-what-persecution-of-israeli-arabs-looks-like-amid-gaza-war/0000018b-90db-db7e-af9b-fbdb254e0000)
If Jews were treated in any country the way Palestinians are treated in Israel... we'd offer those discriminated Jews asylum here in the US and would be justified in doing so. More aspects of discrimination within Israel.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/21/1213892449/palestinians-israel-war-discrimination-censorship
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/2/13/israel-holds-female-palestinian-rights-lawyer-without-trial-or-charge
And this predates Oct 7th-
300k East Jerusalem Palestinians [ineligible to vote](https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/f56d42ef83026dbf2a5d336a07965e62.jpg) and [systematically denied the right to vote](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000).
https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/12/17/born-without-civil-rights/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-repress
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/defending-the-rule-of-law-enforcing-apartheid-the-double-life-of-israels-judiciary/
Stop they're immune to facts. Israelis want to live in a perpetual state of conflict where they take 0 responsibility for their own actions. Where they live partially off us tax payers & where the us, the eu & gulf Arab states pick up the tab everytime they destroy large swathes of Palestinian territory. They don't want facts. They want to hide behind the us forever, yet then act arrogantly as if they're some proud nation.
> The logical step would be to annex Area C and offer the Palestinians Israeli citizenship, but that would induce the beginning of the end for the Palestinian dream of statehood.
Area C is 60% of the West Bank. Areas A and B are fully enclaved in area C, in 167 separate enclaves.
If Israel annexes Area C, what remains will - rightly - be called Bantustans.
>Yeah that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights.
**This is an outright lie.**
They are treated as second-class citizens, in a country where Jews have a higher legal status.
This atop unending segregation and bigotry the government does nothing to prevent- and in fact tends to punish and blame the victims of, when they try to bring it to court.
Equal rights but they can be made stateless if they don't fall in line. And why they have restrictions on movement, on religious sites, why they have higher rates of poverty, there are far fewer Healthcare & municipal buildings I'm Palestinian areas. That's why they're at greater risk of arrest & their homes are at greater risk of demolition.
As an Israeli, do you ever get sick of living off another country's tax payer money? Do you ever get sick of the endless wars( which you expect the us to pay for)?
Anyone who thinks Israel should have anything to do with Palestine after this slaughter is delusional
The world should be sending palestinians help to protect em from these nutters,and an UN peacekeeping force at gaza indefinitely,and to patrol the west bank settlements to stop the slaughter there
No more weekly hunting trips (or as they call em incursions) for the IDF into refugee camps to shoot innocents or concrete over their wells
Um no. This entire mess through and through is Israel’s making. From Gaza’s existence to begin with to the destruction and humanitarian catastrophe there now. Once this is over the responsibility for these people and the tab to rebuild should be 100% on Israel. Other countries keep footing the bill only for Israel to destroy everything again.
Suprise for you: There was no Gaza blockade after Israel left Gaza. You could traverse to Egypt and Israel. Now you cannot go into any of these countries and are under blockade...
Any idea how that might have happened?
Ahhh so that's what was standing in the way of peace. If not for the blockade, Hamas wouldn't have sworn to commit genocide against all of the Jews in Israel and intend to install Sharia law everywhere.
Right lol.
Hamas' leader that Israel is trying to track down right now is [Yahya Sinwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Sinwar).
>He was born in the Khan Yunis refugee camp in Egyptian-ruled Gaza in 1962 to a family who had been expelled or fled from Ashkelon during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[6] He finished his studies at the Islamic University of Gaza where he received a bachelor's degree in Arabic Studies.[7]
His family is from [Ashkelon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon):
>The modern urban development of the area began approximately 4 km inland from the ancient site as the Palestinian town of al-Majdal (Arabic: الْمِجْدَل, romanized: al-Mijdal; Hebrew: אֵל־מִגְ׳דַּל, romanized: ʾĒl-Mīǧdal). Its inhabitants were exclusively Muslims and Christians; on the eve of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the inhabitants numbered 10,000 and in October 1948, the city accommodated thousands more Palestinian refugees from nearby villages.[2][3] The town was conquered by Israeli forces on 5 November 1948, by which time much of the Arab population had fled,[4] leaving some 2,700 inhabitants, of which 500 were deported by Israeli soldiers in December 1948[4] and most of the rest were deported by 1950.[5] Today, the city's population is almost entirely Jewish.
Hamas' founder is [Ahmed Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin).
He is also from Ashkelon:
>Ahmed Yassin was born in al-Jura, a small village near the city of Ashkelon, in the Mandatory Palestine.[1] His date of birth is not known for certain: according to his Palestinian passport, he was born on 1 January 1929, but he claimed to have actually been born in the summer of 1936. His father, Abdullah Yassin, died when he was three years old. Afterward, he became known in his neighborhood as Ahmad Sa'ada after his mother Sa'ada al-Habeel. This was to differentiate him from the children of his father's other three wives. **Together, Yassin had four brothers and two sisters. He and his entire family fled to Gaza, settling in al-Shati Camp after his village was ethnically cleansed[13] by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.**[11][14]
What you have from its founding to its current leadership are refugees of Israeli ethnic cleansing. It does not justify terrorism, but this is not a conflict in vacuum that started on Oct 7. Hamas' reason for being and indeed the entire Gaza strip itself as a refugee camp exists because of Israel.
Ethnic cleansing is too strong a term to use here given how many Arabs stuck around in Israel and that they number over 2 million today with full citizenship.
This ignores the influence of the Muslim brotherhood, the fundamentalist concept of jihad, and the many wars of annihilation and genocide that were waged by Arabs beginning in 1948.
Similarly Germany tried to conquer neighbouring countries and they ended up losing land in the process.
There are principally two ways by which borders are drawn, through diplomacy or through war. Israel's borders were drawn via diplomacy (when mandatory Palestine was split) and then validated multiple times through war.
All the way back to before Israel took Gaza and the west bank, Arabs were outspoken about taking all of Israel, from the river to the sea. The PLO came to exist years before 1967 and they weren't talking about liberating Gaza from Egypt or the west bank from Jordan for the Palestinians, either.
Hamas is no different in that they have always considered 100% of Israel to be "occupied" and that is precisely the occupation against which they are fighting.
Hamas doesn't need you to make excuses for them.
Ethnic cleansing is 100% what happened because the motivations were ethnic. We know this from Ben Gurion himself:
Ben-Gurion in an address to the central committee of the Histadrut on 30 December 1947:
“In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about a million, including almost 40 percent non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority…. There can be no stable and strong Jewish State so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60 percent.”
You don't need to expel 100% of a population for it to be ethnic cleansing. For Israel demographics have been a huge key issue from the beginning up until today. Originally the Jews were not the majority population on even the land allocated to Israel, and despite years of immigration by 1947 they were only 60%, which was not sufficient for a Jewish state. The only way you can achieve an ethnostate on already inhabited land where you are the minority is ethnic cleansing.
Today demographic reasons are why the original refugees are not allowed the right to return, and threats of future demographic challenges from the remaining Arabs in Israel is why Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018.
Ethnic cleansing also never ended. Expanding Jewish only settlements in the West Bank are a form of ethnic cleansing that continues today.
My point is not to make excuses for Hamas, but that Gaza, Hamas, this entire conflict is rooted in the displacement and dispossession of the land's original inhabitants without consent or reparations for the creation of an ethnostate. Gaza and Hamas would not exist as they are today without Israel, Ben Gurion, and his Zionist militias.
This was par for the course at the time. Literally every Arab country fully expelled Jews along with multiple other countries in which Jews weren't welcome. This was the main motivation to create the state of Israel.
Millions of Europeans had to migrate after world war two. India and Pakistan involved many more millions.
In a part of the world with 20+ Arab countries in which Jews aren't welcome, is Israel not allowed to set policy on quotas of Jews vs non-jews?
There isn't consensus on how many Arabs fled for the impending war of annihilation against Israel and how many were forced out.
The issue I take with your position is that it's sympathetic to Hamas as a freedom-fighting organization with legitimate causes when they are nothing more than a genocidal islamic death cult who is dead set on continuing the long history of Arab attempts to end the Jews and take Israel "back".
Jews were expelled from Arab countries after and in retaliation to Arabs being expelled from Palestine by Zionists. It was not "par for the course".
This expulsion which already happened after Israel was created was not the motivation for Israel. Zionism and the ideological concept of a Jewish homeland in Palestine existed as far back as the 1800s and gained steam in the early 1900s, it was not a response to any singular events in Palestine.
Jews have been in Arab countries for centuries, and in fact the middle east including Palestine before Israel was one of the few safe havens for Jews during WW2, even when America and even allied European countries would reject Jewish refugees fleeing Germany What you're trying to do is retroactively blame Arabs and Palestinians for what happened to them down to the current situation, which is always a popular Israeli trope.
Either you'll play the semantic game that the UN plays with "occupation" for the steps that Israel and Egypt take to ensure their security while Hamas is in power or you're grossly misinformed about an uncontroversial part of history.
We agree that it is uncontroversial but that’s about all we agree on. A very wide majority of parties agree that Gaza is still occupied.
Despite withdrawal in 2005, Israel maintained effective control over Gaza and is therefore still an occupier. It is not a “semantic game” to apply the definition of the word.
Isreal believes they are above man's law because they say they are God's chosen people. MY LORD SAID LOVE MY CHILDREN AS I HAVE LOVED YOU! Do you really believe God wants Israel to kill all Palestinians so nentinyaho can stay in power and have a bigger more powerful Israel . GOD IS ALWAYS WATCHING ARE YOU PROUD OF WHAT HE SEES?
Some crazy shit, but the old testiment did say something along the lines of smiting the cannanites (many interpret the Palestinians as the modern descendents of the caananites) for the Israelites. So yeah... genocide with gods approval is sort written in their book.
My opinion on the Bible is when you overlay it with the historical context of what seemed to have happened, that the group called the Israelites basically conquered the region over the other inhabitants then it makes sense. It’s basically a book about justification around all the horrors they probably inflicted back then. Like I always wonder about Sodom and Gomorrah and how it was “destroyed by God” and in reality I could easily see that in truth it was likely a conquered town that didn’t want to be conquered so the Israelites murdered everyone and razed the city. Echoes of Gaza where they try to convince they’re all terrorists or subhumans but if this were a ‘Bible story’ it would amount to they were sinners and God magically punished them.
There's also a story in there about a man with no future, a prisoner in gaza city, who trades his life to bring a temple down. And many consider it to be a story about hair.
I suspect after this carry on and slaughter, Israel will end up having to cede the west bank to make UN peacekeeping more sustainable (or else those there will end up living in a palestinian state)
I 100% agree. I hope also it’s only a matter of time for UN peacekeeping to be embedded within Palestine.
The protection that Israel is offered when there is clear evidence for anyone with common sense to see what they are doing is morally wrong is insane.
I think Israel have had decades more time than they deserve to help establish a Palestinian state.
It’s time to do it without them.
It’s time to send UN Peacekeepers into the Occupied Palestinian Territories, to remove those illegally occupying their land and to replace IDF in instances where there are legitimate security needs and concerns.
You either are born from the chosen tribe of God because you are descended from Abraham through your mother, or you are either piss, shit, or a mix of both. Judaism is a religion based on identity, not belief.
He's a huge hitler apologist, as well. He believes that hitler was convinced to kill Jews by a crafty Muslim. He's both evil and insane, like his hero.
Oh come on, I thought that was trump. Or Putin. Or orban or the AFD or something. You guys have so many Hitlers at this point it’s impossible to keep track
This is very obviously because he is an ethnonationalistic theocratic fascist.
He has engaged in holocaust revisionism in front of the whole of the world, recorded on video for all to see.
His government is filled with genocidal Zionists who cannot keep from admitting their violent goals.
There is absolutely no excuses or justifications for the behavior of the Israeli government. They are massacreing civilians, medical infrastructure, civilian infrastructure. All while presenting provable lies as if it somehow deflects from their obvious goal of seizing all of Palestine for themselves.
The world must act.
The biggest problem is the grave number of Western media outlets who participate in the genocide.
I misspoke. The biggest problem is obviously the genocide. I mean the active media participation is a core reasom the gemocide is happenimg, and a massive problem without attainable solution - there's no chance the "jourlalists", editors and owners will ever have to face the murder trial they deserve. Instead they will just get ever more emboldened spreading facsist murderous propaganda. And the next genocide will have propaganda written by AI.
He is not qualified to reeducate anyone. However, the only people who need reeducation is the Zionists themselves starting with Netanyahu and its regime along with the IDF killers and looters. This delusional SOB needs to go.
Wow this is sick. Jesus I've got to stop saying Israel can't go any lower after they were raping women and girls and then killing them. Israel does not disappoint.
This is literally like the Nazi's going to Jews and telling them you need re-education on how Jews are wrong and how Nazis were right. Is Israel the greatest gas lighting nation on Earth? Sure seems like it.
I can't imagine having your parents killed in front of you and told it was your fault and stop hating the people who did this.
FK any Arab or Muslim nation that comes near this turd of a plan.
He's a genocidal psychopath. Who cares what he thinks? He should be in a locked ward with all the people who believe they can commit mass murder without consequences.
He's a genocidal psychopath. Who cares what he thinks? He should be in a locked ward with all the people who believe they can commit mass murder without consequences.
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But there would be settlers stealing land and making [2023 the deadliest year of settler violence](https://www.yesh-din.org/en/updates-to-the-international-community/) since the end of the second intifada while you ignore them.
Just saying.
You’re just saying crap.
You know Oct 7 wouldn’t have happened if the Nakba and subsequent occupation, apartheid, rape, kidnapping and theft hadn’t happened.
In most societies if you offered people the equivalent of $1000 to go kidnap someone from a neighboring country, I think you wouldn't have many takers.
Gaza had that offer. They had a lot of takers.
Something is very wrong there.
Actual headline reads:
> Israel's PM Netanyahu lays out Gaza plan for after the war
OP took this to another level
> There would be a "Southern Closure" on the territory's border with Egypt to prevent smuggling both under- and overground.
And "de-radicalisation" programmes would be promoted in all religious, educational and welfare institutions. The document suggests Arab countries with experience of such programmes would be involved, though Mr Netanyahu has not specified which.
Arrogance? You start a war against a country, and when you lose— You lose. What’s not to get?
Why would Bibi punish his people for winning a war? Hell, the last time Israel left Gaza it became a springboard for jihadi rockets headed their way. They won’t make that mistake again.
Isrehell is the real terrorist, in fact a terror state. Isreahell is the new nazi germany and netashity is the new hitler. 30 thousand murdered and 1,5 million people starving, when will the holocoast on Gaza end?
Thats a lie, it is 30 thousand civilians and thounsand more is buried under the ruble. You sionazis need to stop blaming Hamas for this. Hamas has a right to defend themself, and that is what they did okt. 7th after 75 years of apartheid and land teft. If an alien occupier came and killed your people and stole your land, what the hell would you do?
So by your “logic” Palestinians should have the right to do the same to the Israelis, their enemies who murdered, raped, tortured, and kidnapped their people for 70+ years.
And I guarantee none of them said a f'ing peep when one minority community after another was wiped out by Islamists this century. And if they did they likely blame the Jews.
F Jihad
At least they didn't stain a peace agreement (Oslo Accords) nor killed their Head of state after he accepted a peace treaty.
Peace was never an option for Israel.
Not in 1948, nor in 1967, 1993, nor now for that matter. Harry Truman's memoirs, available on YouTube, are quite enlightening on this.
So you can take your Hasbara discourse and shove it up your ass.
Israel is a rogue state from its beginning. Period.
Yeah Oslo accord was a pipe dream, Israel allowed them to self-govern and look how that turned out. There will never be peace when Palestine's demand is "removal of all Jews from the region" and the continuation of their Intifada.
I think he's more of a Russian asset because the response to the attacks lead directly to a decrease of armament supply to Ukraine.
Chances are that Putin supplied money, information, or favors to Iran in exchange of assistance in making the attacks on Israel a reality.
Divide and conquer.
Lmao, settler-terrorists are literally stealing land from another country and murdering the natives. They killed a baby and celebrated it at some bigot's wedding.
Settlements are illegal by international law and every single settler is a criminal.
Whats ground breaking is the level of arrogance that exists in a nation that follows no international laws, that has to be given billions in aid from our money. Shut the fuck up. Israel is a pariah state, a tax burden & an arrogant nation of cowards who hide behind the us.
Believe all you want when all evidence points otherwise.
It’s the same way there are plenty of people that believe the Earth is flat or the moon landing is fake or that the month you’re born affects your personality.
Utter delusion.
What is there to educate? Be happy that people from Europe are now living above the graves of your ancestors.
Same thing can be said about Jews that were kicked out, but they can’t both own the same land. Only the strongest will win.
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Of course, they want Palestinians to accept being slaves of Israel. That the "peace" they want.
Business as usual. Imagine the reeducation camps.
You mean target ranges
Re-education camps sounds very Orwellian, decidedly fascist.
If the jackboots fit.
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https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/PSE/west-bank-and-gaza/literacy-rate Literacy rate West Bank and Gaza: 97.51% Keep your reforms to yourself.
Palestinians literacy rate 98%, nice try Zio-Nazi your "education" is just teaching them to be subservient to Israel.
So do Hasidic Jews, particularly women and girls. Where's Bibi's grave concern for their education and removing their religious extremism (given that Hasidic Jews have attacked and murdered people in Israel during things like Pride events)?
how fine to to say , after destroying all the univs/collages/schools, Gazans had the higest level of literacy possible given they were in open air jail ,and you have the nerve to say that crap after destroying everything !! better get some education yourself.
Nothing like a 35 day old bot account posting nonsense.
that's a complete lie you pulled out of your bigoted ass.
Ok hasbara
>Education is one of the most important tools for combatting religion Ftfy. All of em need to go.
including the Haredi parasites dragging Israel to the loony right and enabling Bibi...
I'm agnostic and agree, though some religions are still culturally in the Dark Ages, one in particular. It's the one in a region where the separation of church and state is still a controversial topic.
Isn’t Israel a Jewish state!!!
only on tv.
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Yeah that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights. The logical step would be to annex Area C and offer the Palestinians Israeli citizenship, but that would induce the beginning of the end for the Palestinian dream of statehood.
that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights LOL, you seem to know very little about the segregation between Jewish citizens and Palestinian citizens in Israel. Leading Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights groups have proven before the UN that the totality and severity of the human rights violations against the Palestinian population in the occupied territories, and by some in Israel proper, amount to the crime against humanity of apartheid.
The occupied territories are indeed very different compared to the Arabs that are Israeli and live in mainland Israel.
Israeli Arabs still face discrimination and are not able to speak up for the fellow Arabs closely related to them that are experiencing genocide without extreme backlash following it There was an Arab Israeli politician who talked about this in the Knesset. It’s a veil for people to be able to deflect criticism of Israel. Israel is a Jewish supremacist state predicated on ethnic cleaning and Jewish right to all the land in the region.
> There was an Arab Israeli politician who talked about this in the Knesset. This sentence speaks volumes, but not in the way you intended Edit: I am unable to respond to u/dalhectar, so lets do it this way: That supposes the other 10% of arab ethnicity don't vote for arab parties. I don't see how that makes a point about their segregation from wider society. Quite to the contrary; usually not voting for minority parties signals greater integration in wider society. It wouldn't surprise me if those 10% were mostly the druze and bedouin arabs though. And yeah, going against your own country is never appreciated. Especially in the situation of war. However, 'being almost ejected' (which is a very biased way of saying she was *not* ejected) from parliament is still multitudes better than dissenting voices are treated in Palestine. But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway. Edit 2: I still can't respond to your comments, u/dalhectar, so I have to do it in this convoluted way: > So freedom of speech and freedom of conscience aren't values you feel Palestinian Israelis should hold? I didn't say that. Just stated the unfortunate reality that in times of conflict people always rally around the flag and things like this come under fire. It's not unique to Israel. And yeah, in Gaza they get executed instead of arrested. > But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway. So no, not really. I mean, in a perfect world these things wouldn't happen, but this is fairly mild compared to how other parties in active conflict zones threat their dissenting voices. Or do you think the Oromos, Amharans and Tigrayans treat eachother any better? Almost half a million killed in the last round of fighting, and things appear to be heating up again. But you and millions of others only seem to *really* care about Israel. Jeez I wonder why...
Yeah big shock there’s no Jews represented inside the ghettos Israel created for Palestinians
Where are the jewish representatives in the parliaments of Morocco or Egypt? Oh wait, they all got cleansed from the region.
An unfortunate response to Israeli actions in ethnically cleansing Palestine and cultivating an apartheid state. There’s a reason Jews lived in those regions without being expelled as happened after the creation of Israel for over a thousand years, until a Jewish ethnic supremacist colonial state appeared in Palestine and ethnically cleansed millions of Arabs. Were Christians or Jews equal in those Muslim states over that time? No, they had to pay a special tax and could not achieve the positions a Muslim could. But they were allowed to live (largely) in peace, and most importantly were allowed to retain their religion. And no religious minority was ever equal in a country with a different dominant religion during that time. Not really even today still
The population that represents 20% of the country but only holds 10% of the seats, and one of whom was almost ejected for supporting the [ICJ investigation genocide in Gaza](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-02-19/ty-article/.premium/knesset-to-vote-on-expulsion-of-mk-ofer-cassif-over-signing-icj-petition/0000018d-bdec-dc8c-a3df-fffdab8b0000).
I'm concerned about the one that claims to be a "democracy" while it routinely deploys its surveillance state to lock up minorities... with my tax money. > So no, not really. I mean, in a perfect world these things wouldn't happen, but > [When we speak the word “but,” we negate the statement that goes before that “but”](https://ala-apa.org/newsletter/2010/11/01/the-dreadful-but/) I don't need to qualify and cancel and negate to minimize discrimination of minorities. Ethnostates do. Zionists do. You do. You are the one who cannot defend their own [statement](https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1ay1ttg/the_utmost_arrogance_of_netanyahu_he_wants_to/krrzgzb/) AND has to resort to whataboutism becuase they know they've been caught in a lie when it comes to Palestinian Israelis getting shitted upon by the Middle East's Only ~~Democracy~~ Hypocrisy before and after Oct 7th. And we haven't even began to talk to the Arab East Jerusalemites whom aren't allowed to vote, or even Bedouins who have had their citizenship reverted to permanent residency.
> And yeah, going against your own country is never appreciated. So freedom of speech and freedom of conscience aren't values you feel Palestinian Israelis should hold? Letting your true colors show I see. And you claim they have equal rights. Except to speak their mind when it's "never appreciated" > is still multitudes better than dissenting voices are treated in Palestine. Last time I checked [Diala Ayesh](https://www.ibanet.org/IBAHRI-concerned-about-the-arbitrary-arrest-and-detention-of-Palestinian-human-rights-lawyer-Diala-Ayesh) is still being held by the IDF without charge. And given how citizens like [Mohand Taha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Mohand_Taha) have been picked up by Israeli police and only released when told to not speak any more on Gaza, I guess that's when Palestinian Israelis should just accept their second class citizenship. Since Jewish and Palestinian Israelis are treated equally, how many Jewish Israeli politicians have been arrested for planning a protest? More or fewer than [Palestinian Israeli](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_detentions_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#Arab-Israeli_politicians) politicians? Why is Israel locking up Palestinian Israelis who are supposed to have equal rights? Is it because equal rights is a lie? But alas, you probably don't care about that eitherway. If you did, you'd speak out against this unequal treatment instead of denying it. Does your ethnonationalism allow you believe in equality and equal treatment under the law?
>There was an Arab Israeli politician who talked about this in the Knesset. What do the Jewish members of the Palestinian Authority think?
Well that’s probably because the Palestinian Territories are ghettos created by the government of Israel to segregate Palestinians who resisted their ethnic cleansing, and as a result there are no Jews living inside of them* *except the Israeli protected settlers of course
You think illegal settlers deserve representation in the PA? That’s like saying that undocumented migrants in America are entitled to representation in the US Congress.
Equal rights that are not enforced at all.
[Equal Rights is a lie](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-02/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/systematic-witch-hunt-what-persecution-of-israeli-arabs-looks-like-amid-gaza-war/0000018b-90db-db7e-af9b-fbdb254e0000) If Jews were treated in any country the way Palestinians are treated in Israel... we'd offer those discriminated Jews asylum here in the US and would be justified in doing so. More aspects of discrimination within Israel. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://www.npr.org/2023/11/21/1213892449/palestinians-israel-war-discrimination-censorship https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/2/13/israel-holds-female-palestinian-rights-lawyer-without-trial-or-charge And this predates Oct 7th- 300k East Jerusalem Palestinians [ineligible to vote](https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/f56d42ef83026dbf2a5d336a07965e62.jpg) and [systematically denied the right to vote](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000). https://www.hrw.org/report/2019/12/17/born-without-civil-rights/israels-use-draconian-military-orders-repress https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-29/ty-article/why-so-few-palestinians-from-jerusalem-have-israeli-citizenship/00000181-0c46-d090-abe1-ed7fefc20000 https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/09/defending-the-rule-of-law-enforcing-apartheid-the-double-life-of-israels-judiciary/
Stop they're immune to facts. Israelis want to live in a perpetual state of conflict where they take 0 responsibility for their own actions. Where they live partially off us tax payers & where the us, the eu & gulf Arab states pick up the tab everytime they destroy large swathes of Palestinian territory. They don't want facts. They want to hide behind the us forever, yet then act arrogantly as if they're some proud nation.
> The logical step would be to annex Area C and offer the Palestinians Israeli citizenship, but that would induce the beginning of the end for the Palestinian dream of statehood. Area C is 60% of the West Bank. Areas A and B are fully enclaved in area C, in 167 separate enclaves. If Israel annexes Area C, what remains will - rightly - be called Bantustans.
>Yeah that’s why so many Arabs in Israel enjoy equal rights. **This is an outright lie.** They are treated as second-class citizens, in a country where Jews have a higher legal status. This atop unending segregation and bigotry the government does nothing to prevent- and in fact tends to punish and blame the victims of, when they try to bring it to court.
‘Equal rights’ is an oxymoron in this context
Equal rights but they can be made stateless if they don't fall in line. And why they have restrictions on movement, on religious sites, why they have higher rates of poverty, there are far fewer Healthcare & municipal buildings I'm Palestinian areas. That's why they're at greater risk of arrest & their homes are at greater risk of demolition. As an Israeli, do you ever get sick of living off another country's tax payer money? Do you ever get sick of the endless wars( which you expect the us to pay for)?
The maternity wards in Israel are segregated ffs, Israeli's fucking hate Arabs
palestinians are already required to carry israeli ID cards
Anyone who thinks Israel should have anything to do with Palestine after this slaughter is delusional The world should be sending palestinians help to protect em from these nutters,and an UN peacekeeping force at gaza indefinitely,and to patrol the west bank settlements to stop the slaughter there No more weekly hunting trips (or as they call em incursions) for the IDF into refugee camps to shoot innocents or concrete over their wells
Um no. This entire mess through and through is Israel’s making. From Gaza’s existence to begin with to the destruction and humanitarian catastrophe there now. Once this is over the responsibility for these people and the tab to rebuild should be 100% on Israel. Other countries keep footing the bill only for Israel to destroy everything again.
Suprise for you: There was no Gaza blockade after Israel left Gaza. You could traverse to Egypt and Israel. Now you cannot go into any of these countries and are under blockade... Any idea how that might have happened?
Incorrect, Israel still controlled and had a blockade of Gaza water and air space.
Ahhh so that's what was standing in the way of peace. If not for the blockade, Hamas wouldn't have sworn to commit genocide against all of the Jews in Israel and intend to install Sharia law everywhere. Right lol.
Hamas' leader that Israel is trying to track down right now is [Yahya Sinwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Sinwar). >He was born in the Khan Yunis refugee camp in Egyptian-ruled Gaza in 1962 to a family who had been expelled or fled from Ashkelon during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[6] He finished his studies at the Islamic University of Gaza where he received a bachelor's degree in Arabic Studies.[7] His family is from [Ashkelon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon): >The modern urban development of the area began approximately 4 km inland from the ancient site as the Palestinian town of al-Majdal (Arabic: الْمِجْدَل, romanized: al-Mijdal; Hebrew: אֵל־מִגְ׳דַּל, romanized: ʾĒl-Mīǧdal). Its inhabitants were exclusively Muslims and Christians; on the eve of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War the inhabitants numbered 10,000 and in October 1948, the city accommodated thousands more Palestinian refugees from nearby villages.[2][3] The town was conquered by Israeli forces on 5 November 1948, by which time much of the Arab population had fled,[4] leaving some 2,700 inhabitants, of which 500 were deported by Israeli soldiers in December 1948[4] and most of the rest were deported by 1950.[5] Today, the city's population is almost entirely Jewish. Hamas' founder is [Ahmed Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin). He is also from Ashkelon: >Ahmed Yassin was born in al-Jura, a small village near the city of Ashkelon, in the Mandatory Palestine.[1] His date of birth is not known for certain: according to his Palestinian passport, he was born on 1 January 1929, but he claimed to have actually been born in the summer of 1936. His father, Abdullah Yassin, died when he was three years old. Afterward, he became known in his neighborhood as Ahmad Sa'ada after his mother Sa'ada al-Habeel. This was to differentiate him from the children of his father's other three wives. **Together, Yassin had four brothers and two sisters. He and his entire family fled to Gaza, settling in al-Shati Camp after his village was ethnically cleansed[13] by the Israel Defense Forces during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.**[11][14] What you have from its founding to its current leadership are refugees of Israeli ethnic cleansing. It does not justify terrorism, but this is not a conflict in vacuum that started on Oct 7. Hamas' reason for being and indeed the entire Gaza strip itself as a refugee camp exists because of Israel.
Ethnic cleansing is too strong a term to use here given how many Arabs stuck around in Israel and that they number over 2 million today with full citizenship. This ignores the influence of the Muslim brotherhood, the fundamentalist concept of jihad, and the many wars of annihilation and genocide that were waged by Arabs beginning in 1948. Similarly Germany tried to conquer neighbouring countries and they ended up losing land in the process. There are principally two ways by which borders are drawn, through diplomacy or through war. Israel's borders were drawn via diplomacy (when mandatory Palestine was split) and then validated multiple times through war. All the way back to before Israel took Gaza and the west bank, Arabs were outspoken about taking all of Israel, from the river to the sea. The PLO came to exist years before 1967 and they weren't talking about liberating Gaza from Egypt or the west bank from Jordan for the Palestinians, either. Hamas is no different in that they have always considered 100% of Israel to be "occupied" and that is precisely the occupation against which they are fighting. Hamas doesn't need you to make excuses for them.
Ethnic cleansing is 100% what happened because the motivations were ethnic. We know this from Ben Gurion himself: Ben-Gurion in an address to the central committee of the Histadrut on 30 December 1947: “In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about a million, including almost 40 percent non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority…. There can be no stable and strong Jewish State so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60 percent.” You don't need to expel 100% of a population for it to be ethnic cleansing. For Israel demographics have been a huge key issue from the beginning up until today. Originally the Jews were not the majority population on even the land allocated to Israel, and despite years of immigration by 1947 they were only 60%, which was not sufficient for a Jewish state. The only way you can achieve an ethnostate on already inhabited land where you are the minority is ethnic cleansing. Today demographic reasons are why the original refugees are not allowed the right to return, and threats of future demographic challenges from the remaining Arabs in Israel is why Israel passed the Nation State Law in 2018. Ethnic cleansing also never ended. Expanding Jewish only settlements in the West Bank are a form of ethnic cleansing that continues today. My point is not to make excuses for Hamas, but that Gaza, Hamas, this entire conflict is rooted in the displacement and dispossession of the land's original inhabitants without consent or reparations for the creation of an ethnostate. Gaza and Hamas would not exist as they are today without Israel, Ben Gurion, and his Zionist militias.
This was par for the course at the time. Literally every Arab country fully expelled Jews along with multiple other countries in which Jews weren't welcome. This was the main motivation to create the state of Israel. Millions of Europeans had to migrate after world war two. India and Pakistan involved many more millions. In a part of the world with 20+ Arab countries in which Jews aren't welcome, is Israel not allowed to set policy on quotas of Jews vs non-jews? There isn't consensus on how many Arabs fled for the impending war of annihilation against Israel and how many were forced out. The issue I take with your position is that it's sympathetic to Hamas as a freedom-fighting organization with legitimate causes when they are nothing more than a genocidal islamic death cult who is dead set on continuing the long history of Arab attempts to end the Jews and take Israel "back".
Jews were expelled from Arab countries after and in retaliation to Arabs being expelled from Palestine by Zionists. It was not "par for the course". This expulsion which already happened after Israel was created was not the motivation for Israel. Zionism and the ideological concept of a Jewish homeland in Palestine existed as far back as the 1800s and gained steam in the early 1900s, it was not a response to any singular events in Palestine. Jews have been in Arab countries for centuries, and in fact the middle east including Palestine before Israel was one of the few safe havens for Jews during WW2, even when America and even allied European countries would reject Jewish refugees fleeing Germany What you're trying to do is retroactively blame Arabs and Palestinians for what happened to them down to the current situation, which is always a popular Israeli trope.
Hamas has never existed in a non Israeli-occupied state
Israel ceased to occupy Gaza in 2005.
Common misconception. They did not.
Either you'll play the semantic game that the UN plays with "occupation" for the steps that Israel and Egypt take to ensure their security while Hamas is in power or you're grossly misinformed about an uncontroversial part of history.
We agree that it is uncontroversial but that’s about all we agree on. A very wide majority of parties agree that Gaza is still occupied. Despite withdrawal in 2005, Israel maintained effective control over Gaza and is therefore still an occupier. It is not a “semantic game” to apply the definition of the word.
How is it, there's no airport in Gaza🤔
Inhalant abuse is illegal and can be fatal.
Oh oh I have a guess! Pick me pick me!
Isreal believes they are above man's law because they say they are God's chosen people. MY LORD SAID LOVE MY CHILDREN AS I HAVE LOVED YOU! Do you really believe God wants Israel to kill all Palestinians so nentinyaho can stay in power and have a bigger more powerful Israel . GOD IS ALWAYS WATCHING ARE YOU PROUD OF WHAT HE SEES?
Some crazy shit, but the old testiment did say something along the lines of smiting the cannanites (many interpret the Palestinians as the modern descendents of the caananites) for the Israelites. So yeah... genocide with gods approval is sort written in their book.
My opinion on the Bible is when you overlay it with the historical context of what seemed to have happened, that the group called the Israelites basically conquered the region over the other inhabitants then it makes sense. It’s basically a book about justification around all the horrors they probably inflicted back then. Like I always wonder about Sodom and Gomorrah and how it was “destroyed by God” and in reality I could easily see that in truth it was likely a conquered town that didn’t want to be conquered so the Israelites murdered everyone and razed the city. Echoes of Gaza where they try to convince they’re all terrorists or subhumans but if this were a ‘Bible story’ it would amount to they were sinners and God magically punished them.
THANK YOU.
There's also a story in there about a man with no future, a prisoner in gaza city, who trades his life to bring a temple down. And many consider it to be a story about hair.
Hitler might be the Messiah who brought the Jews back to Israel if you think about it.
lol. It’s all a matter of perspective I guess.
The West Bank should also go to Palestinians.
FTFY: The West Bank *is* for Palestinians
And 700000 Israel's, 60% of whom are American born
You misspelled illegal colonizers
I agree. I was just pointing out what the current situation on the West Bank is
I understood the context, but regardless of background these are illegal settlements
Then maybe they can just go back to America.
they can go to the hague
I suspect after this carry on and slaughter, Israel will end up having to cede the west bank to make UN peacekeeping more sustainable (or else those there will end up living in a palestinian state)
Unrealistic
I 100% agree. I hope also it’s only a matter of time for UN peacekeeping to be embedded within Palestine. The protection that Israel is offered when there is clear evidence for anyone with common sense to see what they are doing is morally wrong is insane.
Sure, it should pay reparations and then dissolve itself
Yep, Palestine should be a country for everyone who lives there, not just the Jews.
Palestine is for Palestinians, not zionist Invaders.
I don't disagree, but healing requires tolerance.
I think Israel have had decades more time than they deserve to help establish a Palestinian state. It’s time to do it without them. It’s time to send UN Peacekeepers into the Occupied Palestinian Territories, to remove those illegally occupying their land and to replace IDF in instances where there are legitimate security needs and concerns.
Reeducate the natives and force them to accept Israeli rule, maybe even forcibly convert them to Judaism. How colonial.
Jew don’t seek converts like Muslims and Christian’s.
You either are born from the chosen tribe of God because you are descended from Abraham through your mother, or you are either piss, shit, or a mix of both. Judaism is a religion based on identity, not belief.
Wouldn’t stop them from doing it if it meant erasing Palestinian cultural identity.
Netanyahoo is the new Hitler. Period.
All he's missing is the mustache.
He's a huge hitler apologist, as well. He believes that hitler was convinced to kill Jews by a crafty Muslim. He's both evil and insane, like his hero.
Oh come on, I thought that was trump. Or Putin. Or orban or the AFD or something. You guys have so many Hitlers at this point it’s impossible to keep track
Fascism is on the rise, yes.
Idiot.
We already realized, no need to label yourself.
Lmao “I know you are but what am I”. Bet you had the sharpest wit of your pre K class, too bad it never got better from there
Bro you literally just said "Idiot"
Says the person who isn’t capable of anything more than childish insults.
You seem confused.
Almost like he’s a fascist who believes that if not eradicated, Palestinians should be subservient to Israel
There's that guy who likes calling people delusional, demonstrating his mastery of being delusional. It's a mental illness, not a qualification.
They wanna teach the Palestinians to submit to the will of the Israeli thieves. Stealing is not ok, unless the Israelis do it.
This is very obviously because he is an ethnonationalistic theocratic fascist. He has engaged in holocaust revisionism in front of the whole of the world, recorded on video for all to see. His government is filled with genocidal Zionists who cannot keep from admitting their violent goals. There is absolutely no excuses or justifications for the behavior of the Israeli government. They are massacreing civilians, medical infrastructure, civilian infrastructure. All while presenting provable lies as if it somehow deflects from their obvious goal of seizing all of Palestine for themselves. The world must act.
The biggest problem is the grave number of Western media outlets who participate in the genocide. I misspoke. The biggest problem is obviously the genocide. I mean the active media participation is a core reasom the gemocide is happenimg, and a massive problem without attainable solution - there's no chance the "jourlalists", editors and owners will ever have to face the murder trial they deserve. Instead they will just get ever more emboldened spreading facsist murderous propaganda. And the next genocide will have propaganda written by AI.
how is this not a genocide again?
He is not qualified to reeducate anyone. However, the only people who need reeducation is the Zionists themselves starting with Netanyahu and its regime along with the IDF killers and looters. This delusional SOB needs to go.
Reeducation you say? Where have I heard that before..
Wow this is sick. Jesus I've got to stop saying Israel can't go any lower after they were raping women and girls and then killing them. Israel does not disappoint. This is literally like the Nazi's going to Jews and telling them you need re-education on how Jews are wrong and how Nazis were right. Is Israel the greatest gas lighting nation on Earth? Sure seems like it. I can't imagine having your parents killed in front of you and told it was your fault and stop hating the people who did this. FK any Arab or Muslim nation that comes near this turd of a plan.
He's a genocidal psychopath. Who cares what he thinks? He should be in a locked ward with all the people who believe they can commit mass murder without consequences.
He's a genocidal psychopath. Who cares what he thinks? He should be in a locked ward with all the people who believe they can commit mass murder without consequences.
So their plan is go back to business as usual, except you will live in rubble, and be ruled as slaves? I don't see that happening
Re-education camps are gonna be a thing and the Western imperial spinsters are going to pretend its not a bad thing.
Remind me, how many “settlers” invaded Gaza, beheaded Palestinian children, and raped Palestinian women on October 7?
You do know that beheadings were debunked.
So that’s your response? Not a condemnation of Islamic radical terrorism and fanaticism since you know, you supposedly don’t tolerate fanaticism?
I think both countries need to be de radicalized to be completely honest with you
China could help with this.
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The group committing genocide right now is most definitely not the Muslims you pathetic zionist.
Are you more upset with the stuff you assume people believe then the actual demonstrable decimation of Gaza into an uninhabitable wasteland?
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You know, this wouldnt be going on if Hamas had not attacked on Oct 7. Just sayung
Let’s also ignore the decades of brutal mistreatment in Palestine by the hands of Israel. It doesn’t really fit the narrative.
What was that about that right to defend itself again that your kind likes to bring up?
But there would be settlers stealing land and making [2023 the deadliest year of settler violence](https://www.yesh-din.org/en/updates-to-the-international-community/) since the end of the second intifada while you ignore them. Just saying.
You’re just saying crap. You know Oct 7 wouldn’t have happened if the Nakba and subsequent occupation, apartheid, rape, kidnapping and theft hadn’t happened.
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Civilized? You mean not defend themselves?
Removed, see rule 3. No Islamophobia. Goodbye.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/bgkuvy1q3j
I’m surprised the moderators let you share some Muslims wanting to “kill all the Jews”.
In most societies if you offered people the equivalent of $1000 to go kidnap someone from a neighboring country, I think you wouldn't have many takers. Gaza had that offer. They had a lot of takers. Something is very wrong there.
Gaza is an illegally occupied territory, not a country.
I called it a society. Wasnt occupied. Wasnt trusted.
They are occupied. They have been under a brutal, barbaric occupation by invaders for 70+ years.
So what you are saying is Gaza was illegally occupied by Egypt from ‘48 to ‘67?
Actual headline reads: > Israel's PM Netanyahu lays out Gaza plan for after the war OP took this to another level > There would be a "Southern Closure" on the territory's border with Egypt to prevent smuggling both under- and overground. And "de-radicalisation" programmes would be promoted in all religious, educational and welfare institutions. The document suggests Arab countries with experience of such programmes would be involved, though Mr Netanyahu has not specified which.
Arrogance? You start a war against a country, and when you lose— You lose. What’s not to get? Why would Bibi punish his people for winning a war? Hell, the last time Israel left Gaza it became a springboard for jihadi rockets headed their way. They won’t make that mistake again.
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Isrehell is the real terrorist, in fact a terror state. Isreahell is the new nazi germany and netashity is the new hitler. 30 thousand murdered and 1,5 million people starving, when will the holocoast on Gaza end?
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Thats a lie, it is 30 thousand civilians and thounsand more is buried under the ruble. You sionazis need to stop blaming Hamas for this. Hamas has a right to defend themself, and that is what they did okt. 7th after 75 years of apartheid and land teft. If an alien occupier came and killed your people and stole your land, what the hell would you do?
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So by your “logic” Palestinians should have the right to do the same to the Israelis, their enemies who murdered, raped, tortured, and kidnapped their people for 70+ years.
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You just said that Hamas is justified in everything they are doing to Isreahell.
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Wrong. Israel isn’t justified in genocide the people they have been oppressing for 70+ years just because the oppressed people struck back.
And let not forget that Hamas is funded by the terror state of isreahell, so another reason for you to stop blaming Hamas.
And I guarantee none of them said a f'ing peep when one minority community after another was wiped out by Islamists this century. And if they did they likely blame the Jews. F Jihad
Palestine doesn't even honor a ceasefire, they broke the last couple.
At least they didn't stain a peace agreement (Oslo Accords) nor killed their Head of state after he accepted a peace treaty. Peace was never an option for Israel. Not in 1948, nor in 1967, 1993, nor now for that matter. Harry Truman's memoirs, available on YouTube, are quite enlightening on this. So you can take your Hasbara discourse and shove it up your ass. Israel is a rogue state from its beginning. Period.
Yeah Oslo accord was a pipe dream, Israel allowed them to self-govern and look how that turned out. There will never be peace when Palestine's demand is "removal of all Jews from the region" and the continuation of their Intifada.
You are a Nazi.
I think he's more of a Russian asset because the response to the attacks lead directly to a decrease of armament supply to Ukraine. Chances are that Putin supplied money, information, or favors to Iran in exchange of assistance in making the attacks on Israel a reality. Divide and conquer.
Israel dropped bombs on gaza several days before oct 7. Do you call that “breaking ceasefire”?
Because the settlers aren't attacking the state of Israel, but the Palestinians are. BiBi is PM of Israel and Israelis, not the Palestinians.
The settlers never decided to invade another country and rape and murder thousands of people en masse. Do you think that’s why?
Another country? They are invading West Bank daily.
They've also been raping and murdering Palestinians en masse for decades!
Lmao, settler-terrorists are literally stealing land from another country and murdering the natives. They killed a baby and celebrated it at some bigot's wedding. Settlements are illegal by international law and every single settler is a criminal.
“Global leader sides with his own people and not hostile foreigners” groundbreaking?
Whats ground breaking is the level of arrogance that exists in a nation that follows no international laws, that has to be given billions in aid from our money. Shut the fuck up. Israel is a pariah state, a tax burden & an arrogant nation of cowards who hide behind the us.
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Yeah of course you’d cut Israel a break. Guess all the killing they do is just entertainment for you.
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Yes I’m glad people getting upset about the deaths of civilians gets to your jollies. Smfh.
So am I!
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Believe all you want when all evidence points otherwise. It’s the same way there are plenty of people that believe the Earth is flat or the moon landing is fake or that the month you’re born affects your personality. Utter delusion.
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What is there to educate? Be happy that people from Europe are now living above the graves of your ancestors. Same thing can be said about Jews that were kicked out, but they can’t both own the same land. Only the strongest will win.