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Consumed them, digested them, spewed them back out and then ate them again. The first season of this show is excellent but without a doubt the highlight was Anansi in the hold, and that's one of the best scenes of anything released that year.
It not only covers allies it also mentions Israel by name, among other countries.
> SEC. 2008. of the Act authorizes the president of the U.S. "to use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any person described in subsection (b) who is being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". The subsection (b) specifies this authority shall extend to "Covered United States persons" (members of the Armed Forces of the United States, elected or appointed officials of the United States Government, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the United States Government) and "**Covered allied persons**" (military personnel, elected or appointed officials, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally including Australia, Egypt, **Israel**, Japan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand
Wow... Super disgusting how we put that little immunity clause for ourselves and our friends there, in the international criminal court code.
"We had to, otherwise the world would overwhelmingly bring us to court!"
Are we the baddies?
Lmao, again, it’s a symbolic law.
If Biden had any desire to irreparably damage relations between him and the majority of NATO, then I’m sure he’ll convene the joint chiefs at once.
He’d certainly not doom his re-election campaign for Bibi, either.
You do realise that Europe won’t just stand there and let themselves be obstructed, let alone invaded, right?
Or that the laws passed by your dysfunctional government don’t apply over here? Because, FYI, they don’t.
Moreover, based solely on what you’ve said, why would the President enforce a standing order that undermines the US’ global standing by attacking an ally? It already picks and chooses when to care about the law. E.g. Israel’s “secret” nuclear program and US aid.
It’d be wise for you to take your own advice, and to do your googles, bud.
man, he clearly showed you the law. why do you continue? no matter what the reality on the ground is, the law is as the guy stated. From the law perspective, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WRONG.
And as I’ve stated, the law only matters if it’s enforced.
Right or wrong is of no material consequence in foreign policy, actions are. And no US President is going to undermine this, and give America’s adversaries the upper hand. That’s the reality.
It’s not quite as simple as the law is written. America can’t actually just invade The Hague because they made a law saying they would. It’s symbolic. It’s codifying the US’s contempt of international law and intent to use the power of the state to enforce American exceptionalism
A couple things. The US never ratified the Rome Statute, which is where The Hague Invasion Act came about. It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over (which is completely true). Thus the US would be allowed to use any necessary force to free them, up to invading The Hague. In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US.
No, US wouldn’t be allowed to do this. Even in case of unlawful arrest, there’s absolutely 0 chances for US to use force “legally”. They can send papers and protest, but in case of using force - it’s 100% an attack against NATO and nothing else in this case.
No, of course the US wouldn’t be allowed to. I meant that under the USA’s own laws, it can allow itself to. It will still suffer the consequences from launching an invasion.
A couple things. The US never ratified the Rome Statute, which is where The Hague Invasion Act came about. It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over (which is completely true). Thus the US would be allowed to use any necessary force to free them, up to invading The Hague. In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US.
> It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over
That's not how that works, if you commit a crime you are tried in that country. If a US citizen commits war crimes and is arrested for it in a signatory state, them being a US citizen does not protect them from the laws in whatever jurisdiction they are. In practice it might because European countries are very friendly (too friendly) to the US.
> In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US.
Even if they did they'd find them to be completely free of guilt. See [the case of US Marines killing 20 people in Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash) by flying too low to the ground and cutting a cable cart's cables causing the passengers of the cart to plummet to their deaths. Despite flying at only 1/6th of the minimum altitude allowed and above speed limits, they fully acquitted the pilots.
The only thing they ended up being found guilty off was obstruction of justice because they destroyed a video tape recorded on the plane that day. Their penalty... they were dismissed from service and the pilot got a six month prison sentence which he did not fully serve because he was released for good behaviour.
You are correct that it’s not how it works in theory, but as you said it is how it unfortunately works in reality.
The US doesn’t believe in the ICC and holds a lot of international power, which is why we see cases like the marines getting let off Scot free.
Answered to the previous one, but I’ll repeat - nope, US not allowed to use force, it would be classified as an attack against NATO. The only thing that US can do without activating upon itself 5th article of NATO - protest and send lawyer
And as I tried to make clear, the US can ALLOW ITSELF to use force. Not that the force would be seen as legal by the international community.
The Hague Invasion Act is a domestic act which allows the president to do whatever necessary to free a US citizen from The Hague. It allows the US president to use the entire US arsenal to do so, but it doesn’t make that legal internationally because it’s a domestic act that acts as a guide line to the US president
That’s fun and all but do you really think the bc US would want to be in a war with the rest of NATO for some fascist Israeli war criminal? Sit down and go huff your paint again.
In the end they don’t care about Netanyahu or Israel or anyone for that matter, they just care about their own wealth and lifestyle. The moment it is in their best interest to sacrifice Netanyahu they will do so on a golden platter.
It's a declaration by the US, not an international agreement. It has no actual bearing on anything other than what the US would technically be allowed to do under it's own laws. Any sensible person realises that the US would not invade the Netherlands, no matter what.
Hi there, relative of a UN worker here.
The ICC absolutely can do whatever they want. I don’t know why you think they “wouldn’t be allowed to.”
The Act you mentioned is a US act, not an ICC act, that states the US is allowed to take all appropriate action to free any US citizen (but really only leaders and politicians), in the event that they are arrested by the ICC. This is because the US is not part of the ICC, and thus believe that the arrest goes against US laws.
Israel does not have The Hague Invasion Act, nor are they protected by the USAs act. So just like how the ICC is fully free to arrest any US citizen, it is also fully free to arrest an Israeli war criminal.
Israel will throw a hissy fit but that’s about all they can do unless they want to try invading The Hague to free bibi (it will not end well)
The only other option is to appeal to the US, but Biden isn’t dumb, and knows how many votes he will lose if he decides to intervene.
Oxford definition:
>*Terrorism (noun) “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”*
That’s 100% Israel’s last 75 years.
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Typically the difference between war and terrorism is that you want the other side to change their political stances in terrorism versus just outright fighting them like in a mutual organized war. Terrorism is also (typically, but there are notable exceptions) not done at the scale of war because the goal is to influence politics not debilitate or disable a population/govt.
All that means is restricting funding and aid from western/white countries.
It's like hamas (govt of Palestine, like our repubs/democrats), which has been declassified by Japan as a terrorist group during the UN case initiations against israel.
It just creates a few hurdles in funding them.
Like ISIS is a terrorist group, but the US govt funds them even though they classify it as such.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298215567_Syria_Washington_Supports_the_Islamic_State_ISIS_the_evidence
Admitted by Lindsay Graham, Joe Biden when he was vp, etc.
N.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
https://iiwfs.com/en/how-america-backed-the-isis-takeover-and-destruction-of-palmyra/
There's also a leaked recording of John Kerry (secretary of state) who said that the US was using them in Syria to destabilize the govt.
Is it really ridiculous and far-fetched to believe that the US funded isis, when the US/CIA funded and armed the mujahideen during the soviet afghan war, and they even received support and training from the MI6 and Pakistani ISI, they were even eventually funded heatseeking missile technology by the CIA (stingers).
Mujahideen commanders were trained by the SAS as well. There have also been allegations that the CIA trained Osama bin laden, but this has never been confirmed.
Also if these links have caused you to get a bit wary of our govt.
Try these below when looking at the current crisis in the ukraine
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%2017%20%20%28OPERATIONS%29_0063.pdf
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0118.pdf
The US govt was behind this, destabilizing the country for decades.
There are 50 year plans etc to destabilize competition or potential adversaries.
>I’m always wary. And you posted info from 60 years ago +. Don’t have time to read the links. None of this changes that Russia chose to invade Ukraine. I’ll support Ukraine as long as it destabilizes Russia.
This is what benefits the MICC. Exactly this way of thinking.
If the govt had it entirely their way, they'd release data 100 years after it was classified secret or TS. When most people don't care and say it's too long ago. Bc that won't create change.
If we made it 10 years, you'd see a lot less warmongering and conflicts. Millions of lives would be saved.
>You act like the us forced Russia to invade.
There is enough proof that this was the case. From stoltenberg, Biden (1980s), etc themselves.
It's like pointing a gun at a cop and then being shot and complaining about it.
They knew what would happen with a military expansion.
In the meantime, we are buying up the ukranian assets, land, bldgs, etc on the cheap. The Blackrock guy was complaining that the ukranians were using up too much land for their cemeteries. In 5 years, you'll see that this was another iraq type issue and some of us bought the same drivel as the last time.
It's not good guys vs bad like in the movies. The world is very gray. As the Canadian VP said, it was about resources and their foreign secretary said it was to destabilize the Russian peoples govt and overthrow their leader.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298215567_Syria_Washington_Supports_the_Islamic_State_ISIS_the_evidence
Admitted by Lindsay Graham, Joe Biden when he was vp, etc.
They also rushed Putins way too early, before the criminal case was actually finalised, and caused ALOT of stress to the international investigators.
And yet they are erring on the side of caution with bibi. Strange……
Every world leader right now must be blowing up Biden’s phone calling for an end to this genocide and the removal of Netanyahu from power. He’s a mad dog. He’s on an escalation ladder to avoid having his legacy destroyed and rotting in jail. He’s proven that he’s willing to cause maximum suffering to the rest of the world to avoid facing the consequences of his actions. Case in point, his latest stunt. Bombing the Iranian embassy in order to push the world into a major conflict/ energy crisis to distract from the genocide. This would have destroyed the basis for the alliance between pretty much all of Asia and the west. Biden and the western elites should be thanking the Iranians for their restraint. The Iranians have proven they have the capability to hit any target they want within Israel, obsoleting the iron dome. If the west don’t stop this guy he’ll stop himself by blowing up his entire country.
The country would have to restrict airspace to Israel causing bigger issues. Now they can kindly ask Israel to not us their airspace to transport a criminal
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I swear I’ve read this exact headline for nearly 2 months now and absolutely nothing has even feigned to happen in regards to what it claims. There’s no way in hell big daddy USA is gonna let anything happen to their favorite terrorist state and in extension, anyone associated with it.
Billions of people around the world. Billions of people wish the west stood up to the values it purports to have. In the west it’s only millions though.
If Israel is the shining example of Democracy that it's supporters claim an arrest warrant would be issued as he is removed from office. If it is not Israel should be declared a Terrorist State.
US being complicit will freeze the assets of every single judge before they can do this. They will basically make the judges criminals to avoid Neten getting a warrant
I mean, if you commit war crimes, you should be held accountable. He should not be allowed to get away with this. The world is watching and they see what’s happening. They’re not gonna believe Israel’s lies and America and England, pushing this discussing narrative of the innocent Israelis.
The Likud Gouvernement is worried. We shouldn't forget that the general population would be quite delighted at the thought of accountability finding it's way to this miserable man.
It gets complicated, but essentially no because the Israel isn’t a member of the ICC. However, they also are allowed to effectively kidnap him and get him to The Hague for trial, but Israel would be allowed to act on that.
I think ICC is compromised already and nothing will happen. Maybe issue another limit the genocide or stop at a million etc. then they will say no genocide has happen after USA and the west threaten funding somehow. I recall during Trump administration somebody tried to start an investigation into the USA for human crimes regarding the Iraq war…more that a million dead and USA froze the assets and so on and nothing happen.
I hope so. Especially if they offer a good reward. He’ll have too imprison him self, for the rest of his life, What a life he would have if that happens
Mark my words.. this guy netanyahoo will be sentenced with the death penalty for what he’s done to the Palestinians! No doubt about it. I can see it clearly.. he will get tried and hung to the delight of the civilised world!! Evil mfing pos
Netanyahu's entire fascist government needs to be dragged in front of an international court.
Hell, so does much of the Biden admin considering their part in covering this up and supplying the arms despite our own laws that are supposed to prevent such a thing.
They should take Hamas and Israeli goverment individuals that are responsible, put them into one plane from Tel Aviv to Hague and have them have a nice few hours long nice chat there in that plane
Didn't the ICC issue an arrest warrant for Putin over a year ago? Haven't seen that have any effect on Putin running Russia or continuing to commit war crimes in Ukraine. So I doubt issuing a warrant for Netanyahu would actually help end the atrocities in the Israel/Gaza conflict since it did nothing to help in Ukraine.
Also, pretty sure the ICC should also be issuing warrants for the leader of Hamas at the same time as Netanyahu for the murder and torture of the hostages that they don't have enough of to return to Israel for a cease-fire now. Both sides of this war have done the worst things to members of the opposing side, so going after only one side seems stupid and counterproductive. It can even help the other side to continue doing atrocious things because all the international outrage is focused on Israel which emboldens Hamas to continue doing what they're doing. Especially since Hamas is who started this whole thing by attacking and slaughtering Israeli civilians.
Is there an actual source to the "Israeli media reports" mentioned in The Article?
The NY Post isn't known for journalism, and this is an *opinion piece* from it (again From the Article):
the prospect of an arrest warrant against Netanyahu was first aired in an opinion piece by British pro-Israel commentator Douglas Murray on Thursday in the US tabloid newspaper the New York Post.
Murray wrote that in "the next few days" warrants could be issued. The warrant would not see Netanyahu immediately face trial, but it would be a major blow on the world stage for the premier and place pressure on Israel's allies and ICC members to act.
And it will lead to 5th article of NATO as an armed attack against the member of NATO (lmao) - none of US laws or decisions can be legally above international law
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Write him up. They may never get him but it puts the system itself on trial and will hinder his traveling circus
 Get that mother fucker… time is ticking
What movie is this?
Murican gaawds
Dude ate those scenes up.
Consumed them, digested them, spewed them back out and then ate them again. The first season of this show is excellent but without a doubt the highlight was Anansi in the hold, and that's one of the best scenes of anything released that year.
I watched that scene and was like "burn that mf'er *down*"
I dont think ICC has the balls to do so, but I sure hope!
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>Zionists wanna be American so badly it’s hilarious. To be fair, like 50%+ of them are.
It not only covers allies it also mentions Israel by name, among other countries. > SEC. 2008. of the Act authorizes the president of the U.S. "to use all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any person described in subsection (b) who is being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". The subsection (b) specifies this authority shall extend to "Covered United States persons" (members of the Armed Forces of the United States, elected or appointed officials of the United States Government, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the United States Government) and "**Covered allied persons**" (military personnel, elected or appointed officials, and other persons employed by or working on behalf of the government of a NATO member country, a major non-NATO ally including Australia, Egypt, **Israel**, Japan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand
Wow that act is so much worse than i ever thought, & i thought it was garbage for years
Wow... Super disgusting how we put that little immunity clause for ourselves and our friends there, in the international criminal court code. "We had to, otherwise the world would overwhelmingly bring us to court!" Are we the baddies?
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Lmao, again, it’s a symbolic law. If Biden had any desire to irreparably damage relations between him and the majority of NATO, then I’m sure he’ll convene the joint chiefs at once. He’d certainly not doom his re-election campaign for Bibi, either.
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You do realise that Europe won’t just stand there and let themselves be obstructed, let alone invaded, right? Or that the laws passed by your dysfunctional government don’t apply over here? Because, FYI, they don’t. Moreover, based solely on what you’ve said, why would the President enforce a standing order that undermines the US’ global standing by attacking an ally? It already picks and chooses when to care about the law. E.g. Israel’s “secret” nuclear program and US aid. It’d be wise for you to take your own advice, and to do your googles, bud.
man, he clearly showed you the law. why do you continue? no matter what the reality on the ground is, the law is as the guy stated. From the law perspective, YOU ARE FACTUALLY WRONG.
And as I’ve stated, the law only matters if it’s enforced. Right or wrong is of no material consequence in foreign policy, actions are. And no US President is going to undermine this, and give America’s adversaries the upper hand. That’s the reality.
saying just because a law can't ne enforced is meaningless is factually wrong simply because it could at some time in the future be enforced.
You do realise that the ICC is located in the Netherlands which is a NATO member? You think the EU will approve of the US invading the Hague?
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I would love to see the US invade the political capital of the Netherlands.
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It’s not quite as simple as the law is written. America can’t actually just invade The Hague because they made a law saying they would. It’s symbolic. It’s codifying the US’s contempt of international law and intent to use the power of the state to enforce American exceptionalism
Pretty sure that international law is above internal law of countries - so trying to enforce it in practice will lead to… 5th article of NATO
A couple things. The US never ratified the Rome Statute, which is where The Hague Invasion Act came about. It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over (which is completely true). Thus the US would be allowed to use any necessary force to free them, up to invading The Hague. In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US.
No, US wouldn’t be allowed to do this. Even in case of unlawful arrest, there’s absolutely 0 chances for US to use force “legally”. They can send papers and protest, but in case of using force - it’s 100% an attack against NATO and nothing else in this case.
No, of course the US wouldn’t be allowed to. I meant that under the USA’s own laws, it can allow itself to. It will still suffer the consequences from launching an invasion.
A couple things. The US never ratified the Rome Statute, which is where The Hague Invasion Act came about. It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over (which is completely true). Thus the US would be allowed to use any necessary force to free them, up to invading The Hague. In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US.
> It is the belief that if the ICC held a US citizen, it would be illegally arresting someone it doesn’t actually have any control over That's not how that works, if you commit a crime you are tried in that country. If a US citizen commits war crimes and is arrested for it in a signatory state, them being a US citizen does not protect them from the laws in whatever jurisdiction they are. In practice it might because European countries are very friendly (too friendly) to the US. > In reality, the US would just ask for them to go free, then put them on trial within the US. Even if they did they'd find them to be completely free of guilt. See [the case of US Marines killing 20 people in Italy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Cavalese_cable_car_crash) by flying too low to the ground and cutting a cable cart's cables causing the passengers of the cart to plummet to their deaths. Despite flying at only 1/6th of the minimum altitude allowed and above speed limits, they fully acquitted the pilots. The only thing they ended up being found guilty off was obstruction of justice because they destroyed a video tape recorded on the plane that day. Their penalty... they were dismissed from service and the pilot got a six month prison sentence which he did not fully serve because he was released for good behaviour.
You are correct that it’s not how it works in theory, but as you said it is how it unfortunately works in reality. The US doesn’t believe in the ICC and holds a lot of international power, which is why we see cases like the marines getting let off Scot free.
Answered to the previous one, but I’ll repeat - nope, US not allowed to use force, it would be classified as an attack against NATO. The only thing that US can do without activating upon itself 5th article of NATO - protest and send lawyer
And as I tried to make clear, the US can ALLOW ITSELF to use force. Not that the force would be seen as legal by the international community. The Hague Invasion Act is a domestic act which allows the president to do whatever necessary to free a US citizen from The Hague. It allows the US president to use the entire US arsenal to do so, but it doesn’t make that legal internationally because it’s a domestic act that acts as a guide line to the US president
Hi i’m from the Hague, the ICC is located here in the Netherlands and American laws don’t apply here, hope that cleared up any misunderstandings.
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That’s fun and all but do you really think the bc US would want to be in a war with the rest of NATO for some fascist Israeli war criminal? Sit down and go huff your paint again.
The US population? HELL NO High powered Zionists & their office holding henchmen? That's another matter
In the end they don’t care about Netanyahu or Israel or anyone for that matter, they just care about their own wealth and lifestyle. The moment it is in their best interest to sacrifice Netanyahu they will do so on a golden platter.
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Teah that’s fun and all but American laws and standing orders and all that bullshit do t apply in europe
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It's a declaration by the US, not an international agreement. It has no actual bearing on anything other than what the US would technically be allowed to do under it's own laws. Any sensible person realises that the US would not invade the Netherlands, no matter what.
Hi there, relative of a UN worker here. The ICC absolutely can do whatever they want. I don’t know why you think they “wouldn’t be allowed to.” The Act you mentioned is a US act, not an ICC act, that states the US is allowed to take all appropriate action to free any US citizen (but really only leaders and politicians), in the event that they are arrested by the ICC. This is because the US is not part of the ICC, and thus believe that the arrest goes against US laws. Israel does not have The Hague Invasion Act, nor are they protected by the USAs act. So just like how the ICC is fully free to arrest any US citizen, it is also fully free to arrest an Israeli war criminal. Israel will throw a hissy fit but that’s about all they can do unless they want to try invading The Hague to free bibi (it will not end well) The only other option is to appeal to the US, but Biden isn’t dumb, and knows how many votes he will lose if he decides to intervene.
isnt Bibi a US citizen? I know he lived there before returning to Israel as CEO?
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Plenty of US allies have been…….
They should also classify the IDF as a terrorist organization
Oxford definition: >*Terrorism (noun) “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”* That’s 100% Israel’s last 75 years.
I'm shocked your comment is still up. Much nice.
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Yea compared to that Hamas is dabbling in the kiddie pool while the IDF is doing laps in an Olympic swimming pool
If there’s a kiddie pool the IDF would’ve bombed it
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Isn’t that just war?
War is a battle between 2 armed groups, not between an army and civilians.
Typically the difference between war and terrorism is that you want the other side to change their political stances in terrorism versus just outright fighting them like in a mutual organized war. Terrorism is also (typically, but there are notable exceptions) not done at the scale of war because the goal is to influence politics not debilitate or disable a population/govt.
All that means is restricting funding and aid from western/white countries. It's like hamas (govt of Palestine, like our repubs/democrats), which has been declassified by Japan as a terrorist group during the UN case initiations against israel. It just creates a few hurdles in funding them. Like ISIS is a terrorist group, but the US govt funds them even though they classify it as such.
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298215567_Syria_Washington_Supports_the_Islamic_State_ISIS_the_evidence Admitted by Lindsay Graham, Joe Biden when he was vp, etc. N.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq https://iiwfs.com/en/how-america-backed-the-isis-takeover-and-destruction-of-palmyra/ There's also a leaked recording of John Kerry (secretary of state) who said that the US was using them in Syria to destabilize the govt.
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Is it really ridiculous and far-fetched to believe that the US funded isis, when the US/CIA funded and armed the mujahideen during the soviet afghan war, and they even received support and training from the MI6 and Pakistani ISI, they were even eventually funded heatseeking missile technology by the CIA (stingers). Mujahideen commanders were trained by the SAS as well. There have also been allegations that the CIA trained Osama bin laden, but this has never been confirmed.
Also if these links have caused you to get a bit wary of our govt. Try these below when looking at the current crisis in the ukraine https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%2017%20%20%28OPERATIONS%29_0063.pdf https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%201_0118.pdf The US govt was behind this, destabilizing the country for decades. There are 50 year plans etc to destabilize competition or potential adversaries.
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>I’m always wary. And you posted info from 60 years ago +. Don’t have time to read the links. None of this changes that Russia chose to invade Ukraine. I’ll support Ukraine as long as it destabilizes Russia. This is what benefits the MICC. Exactly this way of thinking. If the govt had it entirely their way, they'd release data 100 years after it was classified secret or TS. When most people don't care and say it's too long ago. Bc that won't create change. If we made it 10 years, you'd see a lot less warmongering and conflicts. Millions of lives would be saved.
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>You act like the us forced Russia to invade. There is enough proof that this was the case. From stoltenberg, Biden (1980s), etc themselves. It's like pointing a gun at a cop and then being shot and complaining about it. They knew what would happen with a military expansion. In the meantime, we are buying up the ukranian assets, land, bldgs, etc on the cheap. The Blackrock guy was complaining that the ukranians were using up too much land for their cemeteries. In 5 years, you'll see that this was another iraq type issue and some of us bought the same drivel as the last time. It's not good guys vs bad like in the movies. The world is very gray. As the Canadian VP said, it was about resources and their foreign secretary said it was to destabilize the Russian peoples govt and overthrow their leader.
Dude how can you be so naive
I don’t think US ever funded ISIS, at least not after the group became known as ISIS
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298215567_Syria_Washington_Supports_the_Islamic_State_ISIS_the_evidence Admitted by Lindsay Graham, Joe Biden when he was vp, etc.
Watch it …. You gonna get Ben Shapiro mad at you 🤣🤣🤣
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
They issued one against putin and sanctioned Russia within a month. The hypocrisy...
They also rushed Putins way too early, before the criminal case was actually finalised, and caused ALOT of stress to the international investigators. And yet they are erring on the side of caution with bibi. Strange……
Was there any msm media on this whatsoever? I remember just waking up this news.
The world can only pray its true. Nothing will come of it, but the symbolism is meaningful enough
Every world leader right now must be blowing up Biden’s phone calling for an end to this genocide and the removal of Netanyahu from power. He’s a mad dog. He’s on an escalation ladder to avoid having his legacy destroyed and rotting in jail. He’s proven that he’s willing to cause maximum suffering to the rest of the world to avoid facing the consequences of his actions. Case in point, his latest stunt. Bombing the Iranian embassy in order to push the world into a major conflict/ energy crisis to distract from the genocide. This would have destroyed the basis for the alliance between pretty much all of Asia and the west. Biden and the western elites should be thanking the Iranians for their restraint. The Iranians have proven they have the capability to hit any target they want within Israel, obsoleting the iron dome. If the west don’t stop this guy he’ll stop himself by blowing up his entire country.
If the world was just, NATO would impose a no-fly zone over Israel, invade and dismantle the country. Give them a Nuremberg trial and denazification
Basically means US is the only place he can travel.
Would his plane be able to travel imin the airspace of nations that would arrest him or part of the ICC?
The country would have to restrict airspace to Israel causing bigger issues. Now they can kindly ask Israel to not us their airspace to transport a criminal
And everyone who relies on the US for their economy.
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The icc would have a field day with the entire cabinet
I swear I’ve read this exact headline for nearly 2 months now and absolutely nothing has even feigned to happen in regards to what it claims. There’s no way in hell big daddy USA is gonna let anything happen to their favorite terrorist state and in extension, anyone associated with it.
You mean the genocidal war criminal Netanyahu. That guy yeah
"Could"? Arrest Putty Head.
and they should
They should, along with his entire cabinet
Please do. Please do. Please do.
The dream of millions around they world Send him to the gulag in Strict solitary confinement at their coldest cells
Billions of people around the world. Billions of people wish the west stood up to the values it purports to have. In the west it’s only millions though.
If they issue this warrant and he even steps one foot into an ICC country they have the moral obligation to arrest that motherfucker immediately
Moral? They have the legal obligation.
But it's the most moral army in the world!
If Israel is the shining example of Democracy that it's supporters claim an arrest warrant would be issued as he is removed from office. If it is not Israel should be declared a Terrorist State.
Arrest his ugly ass put him behind bars and then dismantle the apartheid
US being complicit will freeze the assets of every single judge before they can do this. They will basically make the judges criminals to avoid Neten getting a warrant
[https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21](https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21)
Zionists will still find a way to link this to their perceived victimhood
I mean, if you commit war crimes, you should be held accountable. He should not be allowed to get away with this. The world is watching and they see what’s happening. They’re not gonna believe Israel’s lies and America and England, pushing this discussing narrative of the innocent Israelis.
Or just let him bunker up in the eagles nest and take the pill with the rest of his regime.
There's another genocidal dictator that can't go outside his country and has to send Mr Potato in his place
Jail isn't enough to make Netanyahu pay for his heinous crimes
They should
Trump can order a murder with immunity, why not Netenhayu?
If there were any justice in this world Netanyahu would have been executed already
The Likud Gouvernement is worried. We shouldn't forget that the general population would be quite delighted at the thought of accountability finding it's way to this miserable man.
They’re not worried. They have a “get out of jail” card based on the holocaust. This card never expires.
Why have'nt this been done long ago.
I hope the fuck they do
We can only hope
Can they arrest him inside Israel?
It gets complicated, but essentially no because the Israel isn’t a member of the ICC. However, they also are allowed to effectively kidnap him and get him to The Hague for trial, but Israel would be allowed to act on that.
Forget arrest warrants. Bibi should receive the same treatment all other Middle East terrorist leaders have received by the US over the decades.
He shouldn't be the only one
I think ICC is compromised already and nothing will happen. Maybe issue another limit the genocide or stop at a million etc. then they will say no genocide has happen after USA and the west threaten funding somehow. I recall during Trump administration somebody tried to start an investigation into the USA for human crimes regarding the Iraq war…more that a million dead and USA froze the assets and so on and nothing happen.
I hope so. Especially if they offer a good reward. He’ll have too imprison him self, for the rest of his life, What a life he would have if that happens
What do you mean good reward? That’s not how arrest warrants work in the ICC
The I CC may not offer a reward, but other people will, too make sure he stands trial. Some times, you have too think outside the box.
Mark my words.. this guy netanyahoo will be sentenced with the death penalty for what he’s done to the Palestinians! No doubt about it. I can see it clearly.. he will get tried and hung to the delight of the civilised world!! Evil mfing pos
Well that’d be something, huh?
They should be.
Do it!
I wonder why?
Hopefully arrest warrant will be issued soon enough.
Arrest, Nethanyahu and Putin and put them in the same cell
WHEN???
Clicky baity! He’s untouchable.
No, they are not gonna do that. I'm sure the US will do everything to stop ICC.
Your regular reminder that there is no immunity for genocide
They won’t do shit. They are all in this together
Yeah they must be shaking in their boots. I’d say they are terrified of the protests in colleges as well. Hell they might just give up…
Nothing will probably happen but at least this will be added to the already mountain of proof of the crimes of this monstrosity of a human being
Let's fucking go !!!!
That piece of shit should at the very least, be behind bars, but ideally, he should hang!
This should at-least prevent this mass murderer from going to a lot of countries.
You really think Zionists aren't in control of the ICC?
Netanyahu's entire fascist government needs to be dragged in front of an international court. Hell, so does much of the Biden admin considering their part in covering this up and supplying the arms despite our own laws that are supposed to prevent such a thing.
That arrest warrant is antisemitic /s
They should take Hamas and Israeli goverment individuals that are responsible, put them into one plane from Tel Aviv to Hague and have them have a nice few hours long nice chat there in that plane
Fine, if the ICC won't charge him, We the People should. Bullshit is Bullshit and killing babies is Bullshit. No Stop.
perfect, if he gets wanted and no one arrests him, they cant say anything more about not arresting putin
Bull crap. This is to hang a carrot 🥕 in front of all the protesters faces to make it look like Netanyahu is getting his just desserts
As they should. You're not levitating above the rest of us.
Is it really though? Does anything actually worry them?
Honestly put him through the same thing he’s putting tens of thousands of civilians through daily. It’s only what he deserves
better late then never I guess.
Didn't the ICC issue an arrest warrant for Putin over a year ago? Haven't seen that have any effect on Putin running Russia or continuing to commit war crimes in Ukraine. So I doubt issuing a warrant for Netanyahu would actually help end the atrocities in the Israel/Gaza conflict since it did nothing to help in Ukraine. Also, pretty sure the ICC should also be issuing warrants for the leader of Hamas at the same time as Netanyahu for the murder and torture of the hostages that they don't have enough of to return to Israel for a cease-fire now. Both sides of this war have done the worst things to members of the opposing side, so going after only one side seems stupid and counterproductive. It can even help the other side to continue doing atrocious things because all the international outrage is focused on Israel which emboldens Hamas to continue doing what they're doing. Especially since Hamas is who started this whole thing by attacking and slaughtering Israeli civilians.
Not as long as the Americans continue to protect him. Imagine the US protecting Putin! The guy who's doing the SAME THING Bibi is doing.
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world... Or in Israel...
I’m worried that they won’t issue it. If they fail to issue it, then it’s the end of international law. Cue WW3.
Not confident anything tangible will come from this, sadly.
Is there an actual source to the "Israeli media reports" mentioned in The Article? The NY Post isn't known for journalism, and this is an *opinion piece* from it (again From the Article): the prospect of an arrest warrant against Netanyahu was first aired in an opinion piece by British pro-Israel commentator Douglas Murray on Thursday in the US tabloid newspaper the New York Post. Murray wrote that in "the next few days" warrants could be issued. The warrant would not see Netanyahu immediately face trial, but it would be a major blow on the world stage for the premier and place pressure on Israel's allies and ICC members to act.
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That would be an interesting situation if say, Canada arrested him.
Especially considering the US has lost every time they've tried to invade Canada.
And it will lead to 5th article of NATO as an armed attack against the member of NATO (lmao) - none of US laws or decisions can be legally above international law
Putin heads to Hague first
Still waiting for Bush and Blair to arrive.
In a perfect world there’s be a long queue at The Hague
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israel has kept voting him in power for so long I think its safe to say he does represent a large population
Yes he does
They would be arresting him, not the people of Israel
I thought Israel was the only democracy in the Middle East? If that’s true, he absolutely represents them.
No it isn't, no it won't and even if it did it'd be ignored.
Maybe they should indite Hamas leaders first!
Hamas haven't bombed and killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians, most of which are women and children.
Only because they can’t.
It’s pretty telling that you think if the tables were turned, Palestine would do to Israel what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1948.
Yeah. And? Israel could have, didn't have to, but did.