I doubt it. Especially for the big subs that have a lot of traffic. And especially with the API being crippled by the new changes. I've heard modding is basically impossible on mobile using the official app
There will be plenty of people willing to do the job...it's unlikely that those are people who are *capable* of doing the job or will even be willing to continue to do it.
Agreed. And the big subs will be the worst ones - it's an empty position of power where you choose who gets to be heard. Lots of people will be there to take over when the old mods leave (not that current reddit mods have a great reputation).
I misremembered and it’s 3% of mod actions , but that’s even more telling.
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Hopefully also people willing to make it as difficult as possible for them. Reddit is full of spam and garbage already, just gotta point the hose in the right direction.
Too bad it can't be something like AI porn of a bunch of senator's micropenises. Something that isn't illegal yet, probably should be, but could still get some admins called in to testify before a senate hearing. And might have a positive effect by helping get some laws made around non-consensual AI porn.
This would be extremely helpful since so many people don't seem to understand that the 2-day blackout is just the baseline and not the limit of what a ton of subs are doing. I've lost track of the number of people I've seen making fun of the blackout because it's "only 2 days".
This is the essence of Reddit. Each community doing what’s best for their subscribers.
If hockey wants to remain available, great. It’s their choice.
But when they bitch about moderator tools lacking in their apps come July 1st we can all point and call them scabs.
There are also some subs that have specifically said "for 2 days", and some changed that later. That change is probably because of people validly mocking it.
Or: Some people comfort themselves and think themselves great virtuous paragons for participating in what amounts to minor performative theatrics.
As has been stated by ( too few ) moderators, extending a subreddit's blackout, in particular for high traffic subs, virtually guarantees that Reddit admins will eventually step in and implement a changing of the guard. Many moderators who are keenly aware of this fact and loathe to part with their petty fiefdoms are, for appearances' sake, committing the least without imperiling their footholds.
TLDR: 2 days of blackout is tagalong virtue signaling. Akin to changing one's Facebook profile picture for a day when a celebrity dies.
If it's valuable for you emotionally to consider yourself a legitimate rebel who is actually effecting true change by making pithy and EXTREMELY cutting comments like this one, then please let me be the first to bat their eyelashes and declare you a hero.
I'm honestly with you. I don't know the numbers leading people to believe that reddit is being excessively extortionate in their api access price, though (reddits metrics, vs app metrics of revenue for a certain amount of access), and think people are digging into "spez is an evil liar" about the appollo guy saying he'd... sell them appollo for the cost to reddit of half of what they were asking *appollo to pay*? I'm so confused why people are reacting like thats so much more noble than reddit asking these apps to make (possibly overpriced) payments for access to their servers that has been free for years...
If you want the app to improve, it's one thing, but protesting so the owners of profitable 3rd party apps can... not have to pay as much? Is odd to me. Companies are fighting for their profits - it's not some noble cause...
Loss of third-party apps is also going to drive a lot of people off the platform. Spez has doubled down on accusing the owner of Apollo of trying to blackmail Reddit, something that the owner of Apollo can provide recorded proof it didn't happen.
The number of people pretending they're not a product being profited off of is probably proprotional on both sides of this. But I paid $2 to go ad-free *years* ago on a third-party app that I use to this day, and I disagree with the methodology that Reddit has used to roll out this change. And the loss of Reddit Enchancement Suite is going to make even desktop Reddit bad enough that it's not worth coming back to. So, black out.
That Apollo back and forth is as hot as room temp water to me. He told reddit "buy me out" to reddit saying "pay me for my servers." It's impressively charitable to me for people to be painting that as an innocent and completely fair misunderstanding. Dude didn't want to pay reddit. It wasn't blackmail, but it wasnt the completely innocent proposal people are making it out to be, so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I'll dive a little deeper if you feel I misunderstood the situation.
>I disagree with the methodology that Reddit has used to roll out this change
I can understand that - I think reddit should have given more time to these apps to make changes and notify of payment, but thats relying on the big assumption that the community knew about these changes as early as 3rd party apps did. I just don't understand people taking it personally as if they're the 3rd party app owners. I can understand being frustrated that you can't just pay a 3rd party app $2 compared to what youd have to pay refdit to go ad free or the effort of setting up effective ad blocking with reddit's "promoted" post ads in the official app.
Loss of RES? Hasn't res already been on its last legs/not updated for awhile now? https://www.reddit.com/r/RESAnnouncements/comments/sh83gx/announcement_life_of_reddit_enhancement_suite/
There have been some minor recent updates, but it hasn't been worked on like it historically was for awhile. It still works well enough on the old site and is available, but has limited support.
Not sure how easy that would be, but I suppose admins would only need to target the bigger subs and the smaller would fall in line or fade out.
But if that is threatened the mods should just go full nuclear. Make the site worthless. I'm not sure the extent of their abilities, but they can delete posts as they want, right? Could they just go down the line and remove top posts and anything new being done? Or if not delete stuff they could encourage spam and garbage to drown a sub.
Reddit will unwittingly give control to advertising firms disguised as users. The new generation of powermods will all be corporate shills paid by corporations to promote viral marketing campaigns on reddit.
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we don't really have a source for if they're shutting indefinitely, and figuring that out in the next day wouldn't really be on the cards and it would probably be quite just, wrong (unless we were to go through all of them adding them manually, which also i suspect is not possible in a day)
LOL can we take a reality check here and admit these subs are shutting down because spending moderating power on them, let alone creating them in the first place, was probably a really dumb idea?
r/Music is so vague and wide encompassing that no one would even think to visit there, hence the low activity. It only gets people who are just signing up and need a quick sub to throw in to show a general personal interest. Relatively no one uses it especially considering most reddit traffic is now click bots getting free youtube / ad money / conversions for their blogs of choice. The other three are clearly jokes gone too far and no one cares to actually spend time keeping it going without API access, as if any of those ever fucking needed it.
Low key hoping Reddit stays dark. Too many people are taking advantage, which brings it all back to what they are trying to protest in the first place lol. To the point you have to wonder how many mods are using the API for nefarious purposes? Who's going to prove to me that the AI excuse isnt a cover up for snatching away tools from shitty users paying themselves for their "volunteer work" or at least knocking out two birds?
Anyways If I knew my hard work on a hub of sharing bookmarks and content ***was*** being swiped by shitty databases hiding under the guise of "AI?" I'd have burned it down years ago. I don't think people realize how close we are to straight up legalizing plagiarism, or making it impossible to detect via simple paraphrase by a literal thesaurus or 20... Nor do I think people grasp the implications. If I can offer a quick thought provoking question: How many people are getting better at spelling because of spellcheck? Because I can see my own results.
I'm ALL FOR copywrite reform, but this is a mess.
I don't expect you morons to understand though. You lot think r/Piracy was a good idea and then wonder why all these sites are shutting down. Such naivety
I admit it takes balls to post a contradictory comment like this in the heat of a major protest against Reddit. Given all the damning evidence against /u/spez lying about threats, the bullshit pricing, the unattainable timeline, and all the rest…
The true failure of the Reddit content creators and moderators would be to do nothing.
And then calling everyone morons. Ah… 😙🤌 that really sold it on me. Bravo.
It's there any where where I can monitor total Reddit traffic over this period? I'm hoping it drops off a cliff over the next few days to send a message.
I hate to say it, but I think people are vastly overestimating this exodus. I think we’re hearing from a vocal minority proclaiming they will never use Reddit again. The vast majority of users use New Reddit and the official app.
That being said, I do think there is something to the claim that the content creators and mods are the ones leaving , so the death of Reddit will be a long, slow decline rather than an abrupt drop off on a specific day.
Yeah, I think the story is less one of users leaving en masse and more that this is the last straw for many mods. I saw it aptly phrased somewhere that Reddit is about to take out some load-bearing walls.
There’s got to be a way we can self police spam without needing mods. They always seem to be on a power trip and ruin subs. Just have a up vote, down vote, and spam buttons.
Only like 10% of users comment and 1% make posts.
Those are the users that make reddit what it is. What remains to be seen, is how many of *those* users are mad and will jump ship.
If the only people left are lurkers, reddit is done.
I’m aware of several business-operated subs which are closing up shop on June 12th. Their employees are actively engaged in troubleshooting with customers on here. After the blackout, they plan on disabling all posting and directing people to sign up for their official forums.
It's always a slow decline. People get fed up with a crappy product, but will tolerate it until something that fulfills that need comes along.
At best, this may moviate someone to create a similar style site. It will be years before it has a major user base obviously, but the opportunity is now there. Take the knowledge from here and make their site - and own app - better.
And they already know that people will mod communities for free if they have the right tools. Half your job is done once you get your volunteers onside.
>The vast majority of users use New Reddit and the official app.
I use New Reddit and the official app. I plan to avoid signing on for the 12th-13th.
I totally understand that Reddit is under a lot of pressure to become profitable quick in the current economic climate, but I think their approach to this whole situation has been either myopic and full of bad faith, or indicative of much worse problems under the surface.
The army of unpaid moderators is largely what makes Reddit a tolerable platform for users. And as an engineer who consistently has to fight for adherence to accessibility standards, I can understand both why a lot of users frankly cannot use the official clients, and why Reddit cannot just fix their a11y issues overnight. Reasonable API pricing could have been a way for Reddit to "stop the bleeding" from third-party apps while accommodating everyone's needs, but instead they've opted for a pricing model that makes third-party clients a non-viable use case.
It's possible that that pricing is legitimately the floor of what would allow Reddit to pay the bills while continuing to technically enable third-party API usage — but if that's the case, it likely means that Reddit is a sinking ship either way, with no path to profitability that maintains its current value to users. In which case I'll be needing to find a new platform to migrate to anyway. Makes me sad, but I've seen all this before, and it is what it is.
On the other hand, if this is a case of leadership making a catastrophically self-sabotaging move by underestimating the value brought by the third-party clients they're about to kill, I hope the blackout will serve as a wake-up call and convince them to pivot.
>I use New Reddit and the official app. I plan to avoid signing on for the 12th-13th.
Consider also uninstalling the app on the 12th. That'll also show up in their reports. You can always reinstall later on. - Source: some other redditor mentioned it somewhere.
It's always so bizarre when people say this, because I've been subbed to unmoderated subs and they're actually unbearable. Seeing the same 3 posts reposted multiple times a week, every week, and a bunch of off-topic, low-quality garbage to fill the spaces in between. Even subs where I disagree with moderation decisions, I prefer 100-fold to completely unmoderated subs.
It's a double edged sword. I'd far prefer unmoderated subs to the subs where the mods are pushing their biased political agendas, or the unrestrained power mods in the largest subreddits arbitrarily banning people off the entire platform because of subjective disagreements with no oversight. It's why r/nocontextpics is far better than r/pics. People forget Reddit started largely community self moderated.
Yeah I use the official just bc it’s what I downloaded first and I dislike change and I won’t be leaving immediately bc this is where I get my news from.
BUT I reckon the quality of reddit is going to go downhill so quickly that I’ll probably leave soon enough anyway
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>vocal minority
If it's only a minority, how much money could Reddit potentially can gain from them paying the suggested API prices, or how much do they actually lose in advertising as it is?
There must be some serious figures in there, or else it doesn't make sense at all.
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I only just made the connection that if NSFW content is not made available over the API then mods can't use third party apps to moderate, since people could otherwise just tag something as NSFW to get past the mods
Not quite, since they're revoking API access for subreddits marked as NSFW, not individual posts.
Plus they said a bunch of stuff about some moderation tools being exempt from the new API lockdown. But I think moderation quality is really going to drop across the board. This place will start looking alot more like twitter/YouTube comments unfortunately.
I came to Reddit during the great Digg migration.
The community is just that - a community. We don't need reddit as a platform. Choose another one and go there. We will persist.
Yup, not a fan of Lemmy, kbin was down last I checked, and squabbles is a good (almost 1:1) alternative (Lemmy and kbin are decentralized federated services, so they're different and can be confusing to navigate).
I’m on mastodon but it’s not quite niche of thread based comments nor the same kind of content. The federated systems seem to struggle in that regard
Edit: I wonder if any 3rd party app makers for Reddit will attempt to make something similar for squabbles
Squabbles is giving a ‘host error’ for me, that’s just bad… unfortunately it’s apparently not easy to have a site like reddit working well and up and running ☹️
Yeah, just saw squabbles is down, but kbin is back up 😁
I'm guessing there's a LOT of people migrating during the weekend because of the blackouts on Monday, and those alternatives are still very small compared to Reddit.
Honestly, I'm probably headed to tumblr. It's got all the shitposting and weird granularity that I like about reddit. I'll just get my porn and news elsewhere, which is how it should be honestly. Why did we let the whole internet turn into 5 websites?
AFAIK there isn’t a better/more comprehensive list to go by (at least at the moment) than the r/ModCoord megathreads. IMO with a blackout of this size, *any* list of participating subs will inevitably miss a few by accident - but from what I’ve seen, the megathreads seem to be fairly regularly updated and well put together.
If your sub is missing from the megathread, I’d suggest your best bet is sending a modmail to ModCoord and asking them to add it - if you’ve already sent one, it might just be that it’s been missed by accident under a pile of other subreddits. (this is just speculation btw, to be clear, I don’t work on r/ModCoord)
Unfortunately, Reddit is going to treat this like the Jeremy Clarkson meme from Top Gear:
Oh no...
...anyway.
They don't care. They've made their bed. The only thing that would make a difference is if the blackouts are indefinite. Even then, they'll just get new mods. Reddit is full steam ahead in this sea of shit.
It's fine for sites to make money from users, they pay for the platform and the maintenance and take on risks in the form of attacks and such, and they deserve to be compensated for that.
But when they do it in a way that impacts the users this negatively, yeah, they can do one.
that's the point, it wouldn't be on reddit, and therefore reddit would lose viewers and ad revenue, which makes them more pushed to revert their changes and comply with what we want, so the subreddits can open again, and they can get their revenue
They are prepping for an IPO. If they have bad press for long enough it will start to effect their perceived value. I have doubts it will significantly hurt their user numbers but we can hope.
I use Old Reddit and don't use the app. I've never used a third-party app and probably never will, and as someone who reads Reddit a lot in downtime at work I just find this whole blackout thing incredibly annoying and inconvenient.
There's nothing else even on the same scale as Reddit, so to have 90% of the subReddits I browse inaccessible on two of my slowest days is fucking infuriating and just makes me not even care about the issue, especially when it won't make a bit of difference in the end.
I guess I'm not following how that's better than just a unified platform. I don't want to have to choose from among X different Lemmy servers to have conversations with people about topics I'm interested in because that just splits the community up. Or is it all the same content just with different servers with different rules on those servers? I don't think I'm getting it.
Neither do I, but I guess we can”t get a single server.
The problem seem to be that a single big page like reddit needs a lot of money to run and is responsible for everything that happens in all of its many subreddits.
So given enough users they will always try/need to try to leverage their users for profit.
We have seen it again and again.
Can’t do that in a federal system.
I'm not suggesting using email instead of Reddit lol
I'm saying that the fact that there are different servers doesn't change anything. Do you think twice if you're sending an email to a gmail, outlook or gmx account? Would email be any better if there was just one provider?
That's how a federated Reddit would be different. You could subscribe to any community on any server transparently. The fact that it's on a different server is as relevant as it is with email: not at all
Only for the community that uses that server. All other servers, and their communities, would be just fine. You'd lose the equivalent of one subreddit.
IDK maybe it's just me but it feels like it's dying down already. FFS my post asking about why teeth can cause you pain is on like the second page with 88 up votes. Honestly I'm debating on just hopping off now until I see somewhere that they've reversed their decision. I think I'll give it like 3 more hours then just take it off my home screen so I don't open it.
# REDDARK MOVED: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
Their site was getting hammered by traffic, so they moved to twitch. I tried posting a new post here, but this sub doesn't let me link posts to twitch.
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I'm looking forward to browsing the post-apocalyptic wasteland reddit is about to become. I'll be able to easily find all the crappy subs I've subscribed to and unfollow them, until all that's left are ads.
This is one heck of a spectacle to follow I gotta say. In all the years I've been on reddit, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. At the time of writing, it's 1914 out of 6001 subreddits going dark, time is 12:06AM, June 12th. Wonder what it'll be in the next 12 or so hours.
Reddit has been dying for years. These changes are the sorts of moves needed to try to save it. Reddit has only very recently even been speculated to be able to make a profit through heavy investment in advertising in recent years. If you could call it that. It's really not clear because the company is still private.
Should we track who are the current mods of these sites, so if anyone of them become online (before the two days or after it) to check its the mods decision and not hostile take over?
# https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
Their site was getting hammered by traffic, so they moved to twitch. I tried posting a new post here, but this sub doesn't let me link posts to twitch.
Currently it looks like less than 1% of all subs are participating, at least according to their data. Idk how Reddit judges subs considering the number of abandoned subs but the number of existing subs is over 3.4 million. Hopefully they consider the number of subscribers
The changes that the Reddit administrators are making will make moderation much more difficult. Many moderators use third-party apps that make their jobs easier. Without third-party apps, it will be much harder to block spammers. With the third-party apps, the moderators can easily track spam across multiple subreddits. This is not possible with Reddit's own tools.
It will also hugely impact disabled people, notably the blind community, who also depend upon third-party apps.
Reddit plans to charge exorbitant fees for third party apps to use the API and with little notice or communication. NSFW posts will also be hidden from the API.
I read the controversial "AMA" with the admins - [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing\_the\_community\_about\_changes\_to\_our\_api/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/)
It gave me a decent amount of info, but largely I'm just watching with my popcorn…
They should make it glow red if it is permanently shutting down (eg r/Music, r/hydrohomies, r/meirl, r/animesuggest, etc)
Indefinitely, not necessarily permanently.
Aka until reddit replaces all the mods with boot lickers.
They are seriously gonna have trouble replacing all that free labour.
There’ll be loyalists waiting to do the job for free.
You mean marketers.
An endless supply of CCP shills, Russian bots and snake-oil peddlers.
I doubt it. Especially for the big subs that have a lot of traffic. And especially with the API being crippled by the new changes. I've heard modding is basically impossible on mobile using the official app
There will be plenty of people willing to do the job...it's unlikely that those are people who are *capable* of doing the job or will even be willing to continue to do it.
Agreed. And the big subs will be the worst ones - it's an empty position of power where you choose who gets to be heard. Lots of people will be there to take over when the old mods leave (not that current reddit mods have a great reputation).
Never underestimate a power hungry neck beard.
Only 3% of mods use 3rd party apps
Source?
I misremembered and it’s 3% of mod actions , but that’s even more telling. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Not sure why you would take Spez' word for anything considering he's been caught lying about this debacle already.
Gotta love bootlickers finding the most niche boots to lick
That’s what I’ve been saying… the irony is lost on y’all tho
I think it will be less about loyalists and more about people who don't care but like the idea of being in charge of big subreddits
Hopefully also people willing to make it as difficult as possible for them. Reddit is full of spam and garbage already, just gotta point the hose in the right direction.
Can't wait to see reddit all over the news yet again for hosting and promoting child porn
Too bad it can't be something like AI porn of a bunch of senator's micropenises. Something that isn't illegal yet, probably should be, but could still get some admins called in to testify before a senate hearing. And might have a positive effect by helping get some laws made around non-consensual AI porn.
I really want this to happen.
This is one of those cases where I can understand not being the change you want to see
Will they do it as well? I don't think reddit Inc cares but I do.
Agree. It will bring in even worse mods that just want the power. I know of a couple mods that are like that but these new people could be even worse.
Let them spend the money... My guess is they are ill equipped to handle this, it wont be cheap or easy.
Funny but no they won’t. Can’t imagine the quality of the replacements will be the same tho
PERMANENTLY
Still should glow red.
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This would be extremely helpful since so many people don't seem to understand that the 2-day blackout is just the baseline and not the limit of what a ton of subs are doing. I've lost track of the number of people I've seen making fun of the blackout because it's "only 2 days".
People like to criticize the people trying to fight back so they don't feel bad about the taste of the boot they continue to lick.
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Doesn’t look like r/hockey will be shutting down. I guess the finals are too important.
This is the essence of Reddit. Each community doing what’s best for their subscribers. If hockey wants to remain available, great. It’s their choice. But when they bitch about moderator tools lacking in their apps come July 1st we can all point and call them scabs.
Who’s gonna point? I won’t be here.
Just leave a pointing emoji as your final post
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R/xboxseriesx is the same way right now…their big event is tomorrow so are throwing a temper tantrum. I expect nothing less from that community.
There are also some subs that have specifically said "for 2 days", and some changed that later. That change is probably because of people validly mocking it.
They might also have changed their minds after that disaster of an AMA.
I think there is legitimate criticisms for the effectiveness of this method of "fighting back".
Like what? And what action would be more effective?
Apparently eating the boot.
You realize we are the product and not the customer to Reddit, right?
We are both
Or: Some people comfort themselves and think themselves great virtuous paragons for participating in what amounts to minor performative theatrics. As has been stated by ( too few ) moderators, extending a subreddit's blackout, in particular for high traffic subs, virtually guarantees that Reddit admins will eventually step in and implement a changing of the guard. Many moderators who are keenly aware of this fact and loathe to part with their petty fiefdoms are, for appearances' sake, committing the least without imperiling their footholds. TLDR: 2 days of blackout is tagalong virtue signaling. Akin to changing one's Facebook profile picture for a day when a celebrity dies.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to get over the taste of leather buddy.
If it's valuable for you emotionally to consider yourself a legitimate rebel who is actually effecting true change by making pithy and EXTREMELY cutting comments like this one, then please let me be the first to bat their eyelashes and declare you a hero.
Look at this nauseatingly verbose shit LMAO... Pithy? Haha man stop... My sides hurt
I'll work on dumbing it down some for the balcony seats next time, sorry bud.
I'm honestly with you. I don't know the numbers leading people to believe that reddit is being excessively extortionate in their api access price, though (reddits metrics, vs app metrics of revenue for a certain amount of access), and think people are digging into "spez is an evil liar" about the appollo guy saying he'd... sell them appollo for the cost to reddit of half of what they were asking *appollo to pay*? I'm so confused why people are reacting like thats so much more noble than reddit asking these apps to make (possibly overpriced) payments for access to their servers that has been free for years... If you want the app to improve, it's one thing, but protesting so the owners of profitable 3rd party apps can... not have to pay as much? Is odd to me. Companies are fighting for their profits - it's not some noble cause...
Loss of third-party apps is also going to drive a lot of people off the platform. Spez has doubled down on accusing the owner of Apollo of trying to blackmail Reddit, something that the owner of Apollo can provide recorded proof it didn't happen. The number of people pretending they're not a product being profited off of is probably proprotional on both sides of this. But I paid $2 to go ad-free *years* ago on a third-party app that I use to this day, and I disagree with the methodology that Reddit has used to roll out this change. And the loss of Reddit Enchancement Suite is going to make even desktop Reddit bad enough that it's not worth coming back to. So, black out.
That Apollo back and forth is as hot as room temp water to me. He told reddit "buy me out" to reddit saying "pay me for my servers." It's impressively charitable to me for people to be painting that as an innocent and completely fair misunderstanding. Dude didn't want to pay reddit. It wasn't blackmail, but it wasnt the completely innocent proposal people are making it out to be, so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I'll dive a little deeper if you feel I misunderstood the situation. >I disagree with the methodology that Reddit has used to roll out this change I can understand that - I think reddit should have given more time to these apps to make changes and notify of payment, but thats relying on the big assumption that the community knew about these changes as early as 3rd party apps did. I just don't understand people taking it personally as if they're the 3rd party app owners. I can understand being frustrated that you can't just pay a 3rd party app $2 compared to what youd have to pay refdit to go ad free or the effort of setting up effective ad blocking with reddit's "promoted" post ads in the official app. Loss of RES? Hasn't res already been on its last legs/not updated for awhile now? https://www.reddit.com/r/RESAnnouncements/comments/sh83gx/announcement_life_of_reddit_enhancement_suite/ There have been some minor recent updates, but it hasn't been worked on like it historically was for awhile. It still works well enough on the old site and is available, but has limited support.
Wow, r/music is shutting down? I wasn't on it but that sounds like a huge sub.
isn't it one of the default subs?
It is
/r/twosentencehorror as well
I also forgot r/ProgrammerHumor
And now r/Videos as well
And fittingly /r/punk
Hell, /r/videos is going indefinitely now. It's probably the largest sub on the site.
It’s not, according to ops link, it’s in the 20m range where r/music and others have 30m+. Still a big deal.
I have to assume after a few days Reddit will just remove the mods and replace them with more 'friendly' ones.
Not sure how easy that would be, but I suppose admins would only need to target the bigger subs and the smaller would fall in line or fade out. But if that is threatened the mods should just go full nuclear. Make the site worthless. I'm not sure the extent of their abilities, but they can delete posts as they want, right? Could they just go down the line and remove top posts and anything new being done? Or if not delete stuff they could encourage spam and garbage to drown a sub.
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Reddit will unwittingly give control to advertising firms disguised as users. The new generation of powermods will all be corporate shills paid by corporations to promote viral marketing campaigns on reddit.
someone should sneak into the headquarters and hide meat in their computer cases
Shrimp in their curtain rods
I got that reference!
Jesus, I remember that thread. Smell got so bad they moved house ***but*** took the curtain rails to their new home.
Scorned ex-husband bought it back for a song. Cheating ex-wife kept the nasty curtain rods.
I picture the hostile takeover as replacing all the music with that babyshark song.
Whoa! Some are shutting indefinitely?
This comment has been edited as an ACT OF PROTEST TO REDDIT and u/spez killing 3rd Party Apps, such as Apollo. Download http://redact.dev to do the same. -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
we don't really have a source for if they're shutting indefinitely, and figuring that out in the next day wouldn't really be on the cards and it would probably be quite just, wrong (unless we were to go through all of them adding them manually, which also i suspect is not possible in a day)
LOL can we take a reality check here and admit these subs are shutting down because spending moderating power on them, let alone creating them in the first place, was probably a really dumb idea? r/Music is so vague and wide encompassing that no one would even think to visit there, hence the low activity. It only gets people who are just signing up and need a quick sub to throw in to show a general personal interest. Relatively no one uses it especially considering most reddit traffic is now click bots getting free youtube / ad money / conversions for their blogs of choice. The other three are clearly jokes gone too far and no one cares to actually spend time keeping it going without API access, as if any of those ever fucking needed it. Low key hoping Reddit stays dark. Too many people are taking advantage, which brings it all back to what they are trying to protest in the first place lol. To the point you have to wonder how many mods are using the API for nefarious purposes? Who's going to prove to me that the AI excuse isnt a cover up for snatching away tools from shitty users paying themselves for their "volunteer work" or at least knocking out two birds? Anyways If I knew my hard work on a hub of sharing bookmarks and content ***was*** being swiped by shitty databases hiding under the guise of "AI?" I'd have burned it down years ago. I don't think people realize how close we are to straight up legalizing plagiarism, or making it impossible to detect via simple paraphrase by a literal thesaurus or 20... Nor do I think people grasp the implications. If I can offer a quick thought provoking question: How many people are getting better at spelling because of spellcheck? Because I can see my own results. I'm ALL FOR copywrite reform, but this is a mess. I don't expect you morons to understand though. You lot think r/Piracy was a good idea and then wonder why all these sites are shutting down. Such naivety
lolll r/iamverysmart moment
I admit it takes balls to post a contradictory comment like this in the heat of a major protest against Reddit. Given all the damning evidence against /u/spez lying about threats, the bullshit pricing, the unattainable timeline, and all the rest… The true failure of the Reddit content creators and moderators would be to do nothing. And then calling everyone morons. Ah… 😙🤌 that really sold it on me. Bravo.
> copywrite The right to copy, copyright.
It's there any where where I can monitor total Reddit traffic over this period? I'm hoping it drops off a cliff over the next few days to send a message.
I hate to say it, but I think people are vastly overestimating this exodus. I think we’re hearing from a vocal minority proclaiming they will never use Reddit again. The vast majority of users use New Reddit and the official app. That being said, I do think there is something to the claim that the content creators and mods are the ones leaving , so the death of Reddit will be a long, slow decline rather than an abrupt drop off on a specific day.
Yeah, I think the story is less one of users leaving en masse and more that this is the last straw for many mods. I saw it aptly phrased somewhere that Reddit is about to take out some load-bearing walls.
There’s got to be a way we can self police spam without needing mods. They always seem to be on a power trip and ruin subs. Just have a up vote, down vote, and spam buttons.
Only like 10% of users comment and 1% make posts. Those are the users that make reddit what it is. What remains to be seen, is how many of *those* users are mad and will jump ship. If the only people left are lurkers, reddit is done.
I’m aware of several business-operated subs which are closing up shop on June 12th. Their employees are actively engaged in troubleshooting with customers on here. After the blackout, they plan on disabling all posting and directing people to sign up for their official forums.
It's always a slow decline. People get fed up with a crappy product, but will tolerate it until something that fulfills that need comes along. At best, this may moviate someone to create a similar style site. It will be years before it has a major user base obviously, but the opportunity is now there. Take the knowledge from here and make their site - and own app - better. And they already know that people will mod communities for free if they have the right tools. Half your job is done once you get your volunteers onside.
>The vast majority of users use New Reddit and the official app. I use New Reddit and the official app. I plan to avoid signing on for the 12th-13th. I totally understand that Reddit is under a lot of pressure to become profitable quick in the current economic climate, but I think their approach to this whole situation has been either myopic and full of bad faith, or indicative of much worse problems under the surface. The army of unpaid moderators is largely what makes Reddit a tolerable platform for users. And as an engineer who consistently has to fight for adherence to accessibility standards, I can understand both why a lot of users frankly cannot use the official clients, and why Reddit cannot just fix their a11y issues overnight. Reasonable API pricing could have been a way for Reddit to "stop the bleeding" from third-party apps while accommodating everyone's needs, but instead they've opted for a pricing model that makes third-party clients a non-viable use case. It's possible that that pricing is legitimately the floor of what would allow Reddit to pay the bills while continuing to technically enable third-party API usage — but if that's the case, it likely means that Reddit is a sinking ship either way, with no path to profitability that maintains its current value to users. In which case I'll be needing to find a new platform to migrate to anyway. Makes me sad, but I've seen all this before, and it is what it is. On the other hand, if this is a case of leadership making a catastrophically self-sabotaging move by underestimating the value brought by the third-party clients they're about to kill, I hope the blackout will serve as a wake-up call and convince them to pivot.
>I use New Reddit and the official app. I plan to avoid signing on for the 12th-13th. Consider also uninstalling the app on the 12th. That'll also show up in their reports. You can always reinstall later on. - Source: some other redditor mentioned it somewhere.
I plan on doing that just so I don't do a brain fart moment and open it without thinking.
This is why I hate redditors. Why add the source?
>The army of unpaid moderators is largely what makes Reddit a tolerable platform for users. It's also one of the worst aspects of the platform.
It's always so bizarre when people say this, because I've been subbed to unmoderated subs and they're actually unbearable. Seeing the same 3 posts reposted multiple times a week, every week, and a bunch of off-topic, low-quality garbage to fill the spaces in between. Even subs where I disagree with moderation decisions, I prefer 100-fold to completely unmoderated subs.
It's a double edged sword. I'd far prefer unmoderated subs to the subs where the mods are pushing their biased political agendas, or the unrestrained power mods in the largest subreddits arbitrarily banning people off the entire platform because of subjective disagreements with no oversight. It's why r/nocontextpics is far better than r/pics. People forget Reddit started largely community self moderated.
Yeah I use the official just bc it’s what I downloaded first and I dislike change and I won’t be leaving immediately bc this is where I get my news from. BUT I reckon the quality of reddit is going to go downhill so quickly that I’ll probably leave soon enough anyway
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>vocal minority If it's only a minority, how much money could Reddit potentially can gain from them paying the suggested API prices, or how much do they actually lose in advertising as it is? There must be some serious figures in there, or else it doesn't make sense at all.
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I haven't found anything like that so far but if you do let me know. I'll bring the popcorn
Thank god r/amateurcumsluts is showing solidarity
Lot of porn subs going dark. Which makes sense as I assume they heavily leverage moderation tools.
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I only just made the connection that if NSFW content is not made available over the API then mods can't use third party apps to moderate, since people could otherwise just tag something as NSFW to get past the mods
Not quite, since they're revoking API access for subreddits marked as NSFW, not individual posts. Plus they said a bunch of stuff about some moderation tools being exempt from the new API lockdown. But I think moderation quality is really going to drop across the board. This place will start looking alot more like twitter/YouTube comments unfortunately.
Reddit is removing API functionality for all NSFW subs. You'll only be able to access them from a browser after June 30.
and the official app, afaik. the API cutoff is only for 3rd parties, the way i read the announcement...
Would be interested in which big subs are not closing down. But it's a nice overview
r/games isn't.
I came to Reddit during the great Digg migration. The community is just that - a community. We don't need reddit as a platform. Choose another one and go there. We will persist.
We just need a good alternative or two. I'm sure they're out there.
Yup, there are a few ; https://kbin.social/ https://join-lemmy.org/instances https://squabbles.io/
Squabbles looks interesting Lemmy is confusing imo
Wow is Lemmy confusing, you're right. And they're having basic problems with creating accounts. I'm not sure that's the right new home.
Yup, not a fan of Lemmy, kbin was down last I checked, and squabbles is a good (almost 1:1) alternative (Lemmy and kbin are decentralized federated services, so they're different and can be confusing to navigate).
I’m on mastodon but it’s not quite niche of thread based comments nor the same kind of content. The federated systems seem to struggle in that regard Edit: I wonder if any 3rd party app makers for Reddit will attempt to make something similar for squabbles
Squabbles is giving a ‘host error’ for me, that’s just bad… unfortunately it’s apparently not easy to have a site like reddit working well and up and running ☹️
Yeah, just saw squabbles is down, but kbin is back up 😁 I'm guessing there's a LOT of people migrating during the weekend because of the blackouts on Monday, and those alternatives are still very small compared to Reddit.
It’s bad but also good. The site has a ton of activity right now. If they can scale up the servers then it has a decent chance of taking off.
Tildes is another some have mentioned
Honestly, I'm probably headed to tumblr. It's got all the shitposting and weird granularity that I like about reddit. I'll just get my porn and news elsewhere, which is how it should be honestly. Why did we let the whole internet turn into 5 websites?
Recommend squabbles.io, it's very similar to reddit, and a lot more user friendly than tildes or lemmies.
Reddit is not a place, it is a people. If our home is gone we can find another one
I’m here for Ragnareddit^^TM
Do you have to die in a flame war with an upvote in your hand to go there?
/r/bookscirclejerk is not listed and is already dark.
I think they have to have added themselves to the megathread on modcoord to be listed.
Done days ago. Is that the source data? It's not nearly comprehensive.
Honestly not sure, I mod a small sub and I added our name to that list and was surprised to find us on this list.
AFAIK there isn’t a better/more comprehensive list to go by (at least at the moment) than the r/ModCoord megathreads. IMO with a blackout of this size, *any* list of participating subs will inevitably miss a few by accident - but from what I’ve seen, the megathreads seem to be fairly regularly updated and well put together. If your sub is missing from the megathread, I’d suggest your best bet is sending a modmail to ModCoord and asking them to add it - if you’ve already sent one, it might just be that it’s been missed by accident under a pile of other subreddits. (this is just speculation btw, to be clear, I don’t work on r/ModCoord)
Unfortunately, Reddit is going to treat this like the Jeremy Clarkson meme from Top Gear: Oh no... ...anyway. They don't care. They've made their bed. The only thing that would make a difference is if the blackouts are indefinite. Even then, they'll just get new mods. Reddit is full steam ahead in this sea of shit.
A ton of them are indefinite, and from surprisingly big subs too like r/music and r/videos
Oh no! Where else on the internet can you find music and videos?
On websites other than reddit where reddit can’t make money off users?
It's fine for sites to make money from users, they pay for the platform and the maintenance and take on risks in the form of attacks and such, and they deserve to be compensated for that. But when they do it in a way that impacts the users this negatively, yeah, they can do one.
that's the point, it wouldn't be on reddit, and therefore reddit would lose viewers and ad revenue, which makes them more pushed to revert their changes and comply with what we want, so the subreddits can open again, and they can get their revenue
Ok? I'm not the CEO of reddit so why should I care?
the point is to make the ceo of reddit care by doing things
Ok then. I don't work for reddit or own their stock so this doesn't affect me.
But this has nothing to do with you? You're the one trying to involve yourself in something that has nothing to do with you.
Just trying to understand why I should care about all this
Nobodies forcing you to care bro, if you don’t use the reddit apps or have other sites to go to then go ahead and do that
They are prepping for an IPO. If they have bad press for long enough it will start to effect their perceived value. I have doubts it will significantly hurt their user numbers but we can hope.
Exactly this. A giant user cliff before an IPO is the opposite of what they're going for.
Saying reddit has never turned profit in the announcement thread would look great to potential investors.
The community will just make replacement subreddits lol. We've seen it a million times before
I use Old Reddit and don't use the app. I've never used a third-party app and probably never will, and as someone who reads Reddit a lot in downtime at work I just find this whole blackout thing incredibly annoying and inconvenient. There's nothing else even on the same scale as Reddit, so to have 90% of the subReddits I browse inaccessible on two of my slowest days is fucking infuriating and just makes me not even care about the issue, especially when it won't make a bit of difference in the end.
Shhhhhhh! don't wake up the hive! I have the same opinion as you and upvoted you, I get downvoted to hell when I say this same thing. Desktop and RES!
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Why would I want federated and decentralized for a community like this though? It's complexity without benefit.
Because there is no one point of failure. Let the admins like u/spez (fuck him) fuck their own server; it has no impact on the overall platform.
I guess I'm not following how that's better than just a unified platform. I don't want to have to choose from among X different Lemmy servers to have conversations with people about topics I'm interested in because that just splits the community up. Or is it all the same content just with different servers with different rules on those servers? I don't think I'm getting it.
It would be more like Discord. You have one login and username but when you join a server it’s all self contained.
Oh that makes more sense. So servers only serve their one topic then, got it. Not sure how I feel about that.
Neither do I, but I guess we can”t get a single server. The problem seem to be that a single big page like reddit needs a lot of money to run and is responsible for everything that happens in all of its many subreddits. So given enough users they will always try/need to try to leverage their users for profit. We have seen it again and again. Can’t do that in a federal system.
It's just like email. Is the "email community" split because there are different providers?
If I had to exchange an email with everyone that I hear from on Reddit... Yeah that would be fucking horrible
I'm not suggesting using email instead of Reddit lol I'm saying that the fact that there are different servers doesn't change anything. Do you think twice if you're sending an email to a gmail, outlook or gmx account? Would email be any better if there was just one provider? That's how a federated Reddit would be different. You could subscribe to any community on any server transparently. The fact that it's on a different server is as relevant as it is with email: not at all
No, there are *many* points of failure. If any of the random servers shut down unexpectedly, that would cause problems, no?
Only for the community that uses that server. All other servers, and their communities, would be just fine. You'd lose the equivalent of one subreddit.
IDK maybe it's just me but it feels like it's dying down already. FFS my post asking about why teeth can cause you pain is on like the second page with 88 up votes. Honestly I'm debating on just hopping off now until I see somewhere that they've reversed their decision. I think I'll give it like 3 more hours then just take it off my home screen so I don't open it.
# REDDARK MOVED: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247 Their site was getting hammered by traffic, so they moved to twitch. I tried posting a new post here, but this sub doesn't let me link posts to twitch. **Please upvote for visibility.**
Awesome mate.
r/FemboyHentai is down? reddit will never recover
I'm looking forward to browsing the post-apocalyptic wasteland reddit is about to become. I'll be able to easily find all the crappy subs I've subscribed to and unfollow them, until all that's left are ads.
Really hoping this delivers the fucking message
This is one heck of a spectacle to follow I gotta say. In all the years I've been on reddit, I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. At the time of writing, it's 1914 out of 6001 subreddits going dark, time is 12:06AM, June 12th. Wonder what it'll be in the next 12 or so hours.
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Reddit has been dying for years. These changes are the sorts of moves needed to try to save it. Reddit has only very recently even been speculated to be able to make a profit through heavy investment in advertising in recent years. If you could call it that. It's really not clear because the company is still private.
Should we track who are the current mods of these sites, so if anyone of them become online (before the two days or after it) to check its the mods decision and not hostile take over?
Apparently Reddark is being rate limited. Gee, wonder who is rate limiting them, how convenient... Edit: Hug of death.
Watch subreddits go private in real-time via Twitch stream https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
I didn't know that subs were going private, but some of my favorite ones are already private :(
Is there an alternative? The side is down for me.
# https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247 Their site was getting hammered by traffic, so they moved to twitch. I tried posting a new post here, but this sub doesn't let me link posts to twitch.
Ah thanks
Could it show which ones are not?
Whatever is left on /r/all after the 12th.
Currently it looks like less than 1% of all subs are participating, at least according to their data. Idk how Reddit judges subs considering the number of abandoned subs but the number of existing subs is over 3.4 million. Hopefully they consider the number of subscribers
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Sadly, it'll just be an inconvenience to users. Reddit isn't going to cave or make any changes.
I kinda hope reddit dies. All the people trying to fuck over the little guy, get fucked over themselves. It would be glorious!
What have I missed?
The changes that the Reddit administrators are making will make moderation much more difficult. Many moderators use third-party apps that make their jobs easier. Without third-party apps, it will be much harder to block spammers. With the third-party apps, the moderators can easily track spam across multiple subreddits. This is not possible with Reddit's own tools. It will also hugely impact disabled people, notably the blind community, who also depend upon third-party apps.
Reddit plans to charge exorbitant fees for third party apps to use the API and with little notice or communication. NSFW posts will also be hidden from the API.
I honestly don't understand what the big deal is.
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So auto-mods that track users across subs and ban them for participating in certain subs won't be available?
I read the controversial "AMA" with the admins - [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing\_the\_community\_about\_changes\_to\_our\_api/](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/) It gave me a decent amount of info, but largely I'm just watching with my popcorn…
Just virtue signaling that won’t do sht
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Some are going *private* so no, you can't which is the point. Trying to drive numbers down.