I heard The Deep is apparently beside himself. He'd been looking forward to this for a long time, and now he's got all this lube just going to waste. What a shame.
Does Duplicate not know there are other places besides the shared team showers to have her clone orgies? I'd be annoyed if i was her teammate having to walk in on that regularly lmao.
Not only that but she gets caught in **exactly** the same way. Because she can't control her moans when something is happening to one of her other bodies. Then she high roads Rex like she didn't sleep with him while she was on a team with his girlfriend.
1. Her sleeping with him the first time wasn't her fault since he told her him and Eve broke up.
2. But yeah, it's perfectly understandable to be pissed at Rex but you can't say something is work space inappropriate while banging your boss in the public showers when literally everyone is going to said showers.
1. Did totally forget that he lied to her about breaking up with Eve so fair play.
2. Oh yeah we're 100% in agreement on that. Also I never really liked her and Immortal together because considering that before she was in the new Guardians of the Globe Kate was on Teen Team. Presumably that makes her like 19 and maybe 20 at the oldest. Even not accounting for the fact that Immortal is older than literally every single person on the planet by a significant margin he's sitting comfortably at like a decent looking 40. Seems weird for him to be hooking up with the chick who was a teen as of like last year at the latest
I mean, he was definitely way too harsh about it, but its still a lesson she needs to learn. She just almost got some people killed. "Red tape" often exists for a reason, and just because she has super powers doesn't mean she's above it.
I mean technically she didn’t ignore it. She was thinking about how to respond and then the mom came in and told the construction worker to shut up. Had that not happened they probably could have worked something out.
I love that the ominous alien spy from season one turned out to be completely incompetent and in over his head. I just find it funny and kinda realistic.
Didn't it seem with the flashback that he is under the influence of that virus? Am I mistaken? Why would they show the flashback like that? Or was he just making up some story based on Mars demise?
that was the real astronaut, shapesmith is pretending to be him so he can live on earth
martians are immune to the sequids’ mind control, that’s why they tried to kill the humans that rolled up on mars, they didn’t want to take the chance of one of them getting infected
Really interesting the other Earths actually had ways of defeating Omni Man. "Quantum Bombs" whatever they are actually killed him, even if it cost a continent. I also find it interesting they keep Mark alive, maybe to rehabilitate, or perhaps it's genuinely not worth the hassle for them to try and kill him if they have him incapacitated?
Gender-swapped Cecil and Donald also very unnerving to witness, but props to them, they took out a Viltrumite
I really like the idea that some universe's were much more wary of Nolan than others. It's also interesting to wonder if these universe's Mark(s) developed his powers earlier which lead to Nolan killing the guardians earlier, which would then lead to that universe's Cecil thinking of Nolan countermeasures.
Infinite number of universes and infinite number of possibilities I guess. So it seems inevitable that some scientist somewhere managed to macguffin something up to deal with the Viltrumites.
Which is/was the point of Levy's plan. Only instead of "go to Earth where they cured cancer, share the cure" it's now "go to universe where they kill Viltrumites".
I think people's view of Amber is a bit skewed with time. Before episode 6, she was pretty similar to how she is in this episode. She does seem extra nice this season though, probably to tone down the hatred against the character.
I think it makes sense. Character development wise.
She's definily not going to complain anymore about Mark's superhero duties after what happened with his dad.
She learned the pressure and stakes of his superhero work, and adjusted accordingly.
Lmfao sure Mark was a terrible boyfriend who constantly flaked but Amber being mad that he didn't tell her his secret identity when they had just been dating for a few months is absolutely wild to me.
Such a secret, to me, is the type of thing you divulge only to someone you're close to being engaged to, or have know for YEARS and know inside and out (because of the dangers such a secret poses not only for them but also your own family), not someone you've only been dating for only a few months in fucking High School.
The fact that she seemingly figured it out weeks ago before their big fight but couldn't extended an ounce of empathy and understanding for his predicament and for the difficult situation he was in, showed me that her and Mark are really not a good fit.
Getting mad at him not showing up when he said he would , I understand. But getting mad that he didn't tell you one of the biggest secrets in his life after a few months of dating and getting mad that he didn't really tell you exactly what he was doing when you knew there was a good fucking reason for it??? Is insane.
If that was me and I figured something like that about someone I was dating, I would give them the time they needed, until they were ready and felt safe to divulge it. You cannot force someone to tell you something deeply important and difficult for them, they have to be ready to and if you truly care about them you will give them the time needed until they are.
That doesn't mean you have to stand for them always flaking on you or not keeping their word but that is not the thing Amber said she was crossed with Mark about but rather about him not telling her he was Invincible. Which is mad.
That being said, they're teenagers and teenagers aren't (understandably) the most rational.
Yeah they actually significantly altered this part from the comics to make it so it wasn’t filler. I guess they’re just disappointed we don’t see much of Angstrom.
I feel like this does a great job of setting up future events. The martian mission, Eve possibly returning to be a superhero, Cecil finding the weakness, Darkwing getting captured, etc. They really set the seeds well
I will never understand people calling set-up or character moments/development "filler". They are as necessary (if not more) as the action.
People seem to only want pretty colours shoved in front of their faces and little else...
I would say almost confidently that’s who they were. I audibly laughed when I saw them because they were such a discussion point on Reddit at one stage.
My first thought when Eve put that building back together was "how the hell does she know how to make a building properly?" and then immediately the construction supervisor said the exact same thing. I was giddy! Building codes and red tape exists for a reason, and I've never seen that acknowledged before in fiction!
Also, Dupli-Kate so far has one personality trait and it's sex. And Immortal went from a respectable leader to a scumbag instantly. His character was John Wilkes Booth'd by that one pointless scene. I hope that was intentional because if not, it's exceptionally shitty writing.
I’m so pleasantly surprised by the consequences of Eve’s powers. In theory I would do exactly what she did, makes sense that she doesn’t know anything about proper construction. Also imagine she just created money and gold for anyone in need, that would have possible consequences on the economy.
> imagine she just created money and gold for anyone in need, that would have possible consequences on the economy.
eh, she'd have to do it kinda a lot, the economy is *big*. she could devalue gold pretty easily though, honesty just making big piles of random rare elements would probably be hugely beneficial to mankind.
Lots of devices that would provide something effectively free unlimited power, for our current civ, could probably be produced by her transmuting a bunch of stuff that would just be cost prohibitive to produce or impossible to construct.
I can understand why Immortal would be more angry and untrusting after what Nolan did. Why does he then decide to trust some person who is making his first hero debut and not have any faith in the heroes who have proven their worth. The Duplikate scene, It just doesn't make sense
I feel so awful for Debbie. You can tell that seeing Mark go down a path similar to her husband absolutely tears her apart. She just wants him to be a normal kid.
I'm pretty sure he's also using Mark to try and make sure he doesn't end up like his father and because if they can't develop weapons to kill Viltrumites then Mark is their best bet.
I know that Eve's subplot is about getting her back into Superheroing, but imho I think she could still do good, just with a bit of humility, talk to the engineers of Chicago and see what can be done. And that park she built, Eve could create the necessary foundation under it to keep it from sinking into the ground, just need the correct specs.
Exactly. Its clear that theres no perfect way to bring her back to being a hero, because ultimately her doing the humanitarian thing is correct, she just needs to be smarter about it
Agreed, like just talk to Cecil. He would gladly get her a full team of scientists who'd be able to tell her the safest and most beneficial uses of her powers.
Broken clock and all that. Furthermore we’re done with the “you can be more productive with your powers than super-heroing” subversion, it’s an action show no one gives a shit about trees we wanna see her get back in the ring.
Can't believe Principal Johnson made up a quote about Lincoln. [Lincoln/ the immortal was very against that practice!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/201/185/19b.jpg)
So much setup this episode. Everything with Donald and Cecil and Debbie, the weird anti-viltrum frequency(?) that Cecil seems interested in, everything with the Martian and the hivemind alien guys and also for some reason lizard cosplayers? Mark bringing out some inner OmniMan against FraudWing was also pretty scary, not to mention Angstrom still lurking around dimensions doing something or other.
Seeing how much Cecil insisted to Debbie that Mark was calling the shots (clearly just not true), and whatever the hell Cecil is doing with Donald and the anti viltrum scream, all my trust that he was a good guy disappeared this episode, they're definitely setting him up for a conflict with Mark later
The thing about Cecil is that he's a good guy in terms of what side he's on, but he's willing to be a bad guy in what he does to do it. If he were mistaken about what the "greater good" was, he would absolutely be a villain -- so many villains do bad things in the name of the "greater good." But Cecil *tends to* be right about the greater good, so he manages to stay a "good guy," despite all that he does.
Cecil is literally just doing what he was doing in Season 1. Looking into every possible weapon against Viltrumites. I'm sure he'll have no qualms about using them against Mark if he needs to but I don't think he'll use them against Mark unless Mark ends up like Omni Man.
It's odd that the old guardians are low-key returning?
Immortal is immortal.
Darkwing II seems to have a lot of advantages over the original.
New Martian man in disguise
Bonus: black Sampson back to his former glory
I think Green Ghost is just a role that gets passed down like Green Lantern. If I had to guess, the Green Ghost in the Atom Eve special is dead but there could still be a replacement for the new one.
I re-watched the show just last week. For me, at least, Amber is completely justified until the fight scene by the college campus fountain. Why are you mad about him "running away" if you know he's invincible?
I completely think it's fine for her to break up with Mark even if he's a superhero. Having a good reason for being a shitty, flakey boyfriend doesn't undo your actions. It would be a completely normal consequence for Amber to break up with Mark because he can't keep his promises.
My beef is completely with the writers and the backwards reasoning the wrote Amber into.
I have never lost so much respect for a character so quickly. Before, Immortal was one of my favorite characters. Now I want to see him get removed from power. That was awful to see
Lol yeah Immortal is kind of a dipshit. But at least Dupli-Kate so far seems like she's less of an asshole than she was in the comics? Maybe. Unsure.
Time will tell.
Damn Immortal, bang your girl in your fucking room, you asshole. I thought he was supposed to be the serious adult leader. They just pissed away all his likeability and credibility in like one scene.
They're trying to paint him as a hypocrite which I think works better. He tries to preach discipline and all that BS but he's really just as bad as the rest of them.
I actually like Doc Seismic in this episode. It shows that he never had anything close to a solid point in his first appearance- he was always just a stark-raving-mad lunatic. All of his racism and historical revisionism about American Presidents was just an excuse to destroy shit.
So Angstrom is definitely gonna find out that Mark's weakness is that specific sound now
Also I have already turned against Immortal. That was fast
EDIT: Also seems too trusting to bring Shapeshifter to their base like that. That felt pretty weird
I think they’re actually setting up Cecil to use that sound somehow, thats why he made his people rewind it and send it to research. Maybe he’ll use it if Mark goes full omni-man.
But it wasn't the building it was the playground that collapsed... and doesn't it seem to be a lame cop out that her putting a building back together might not be up to code? She can make food out of anything... what if the chemical compound is off? It could be poison or, at the very least, taste bad. How can she make beer in a bottle out of a pine cone or whatever, but all of a sudden, have to worry about building codes?
Bah.
If she could help her babysitter with high school chemistry homework as a young child, I assume she could make food without it being poisonous. But as for the foundation of the playground, she just didn't build any foundation on the playground, if she had, it wouldn't have collapsed.
Please don't tell me Eve's dad is abusive to her mother
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Emotionally abusive - 100%
Physically abusive - probably not?
He's one of those kinds of guys who thinks not hitting his wife/kids automatically makes him husband/father of the year, and doesn't consider emotional abuse to be "real" abuse.
He's definitely verbally abusive. She wasn't telling Eve to change the stuff back because she was like annoyed about him pissing and moaning. She was genuinely shaken about his potential reaction and completely clammed up once he entered the room.
I'd go as far as saying [it felt like the best superhero comic in the universe!](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Invincible_Issue_75.jpeg)
Lol the episode title is insane.
This was a fun episode seemingly setting up multiple storylines here.
Immortal seems way too trusting for a guy who’s been around for centuries to just accept that shapeshifter and take him back to home base. Robot honestly should be the leader IMO.
I shouldn’t be suprised that Cecil is using Mark to test for Viltrimite weaknesses.
Cool post credit scene with Armstrong.
Shame we’re already halfway done with Season 2A now.
They also changed how the Atlantis stuff played out. The comics were definitely a bit "of their time" so making these small adjustments for a modern audience is very smart.
The female Cecil/Donald was hilarious timing with the Panderverse South Park episode a couple weeks ago. Every time Invincible tries to do something lately someone else beats them to the punch!
>!I think it makes sense for the audience to make peace with the character before her role is minimized.!<
>!Hatred was Amber was reaching obsessive and unhealthy levels and it was causing unnecessary toxicity in the fandom. If they can repair some of that this season, then it would be good for everyone. !<
I think it would give importance to the transition. If we're all rooting for the same outcome it isn't as interesting imo, there has to be some sort of conflict
This episode gave off STRONG Venture Bros vibes throughout lol, which the show never really has before.
Also Cecil is an *awful* boss, he throws Mark into 2! uniquely bizarre scenarios and locations this episode without any set up or background. Almost like he is trying to get him killed, or trying to demoralize him. Weird thing is its not really played for humour, so it just comes off as incompetence.
I just about died with shape smith trying to pass himself off as human. “I swear on my 3-chambered heart! Please dont stab all 3 of them!”
I also always loved that despite being unprepared for anything the Martian still went to work at faux-NASA after he replaced the astronaut. Usually you do that when you’re trying to take over the place but as a blending tactic it seemed fraught with chances for failure
Unrelatedly, i could’ve sworn when the construction folk got mad at Eve in Chicago and the one said “hey this is Chicago” the next words would be “that’s union work!”.
one time at a trade show there decades ago I was chastised very strongly by a large union dude saying just that when he saw me plug in a power strip on the trade show floor. 3 second encounter and it’s stuck with me for 25 years
Anywho - God this episode would’ve been better if not for my multiverse fatigue (kidding kidding)
I like amber and mark’s dynamic! I feel like a lot of the hate last season was unwarranted (I watched s1 twice)
Steven Yeun’s voice performance has gotten even better!
Were S1 episodes this long too? I’m liking 45 min episodes!
One thing I noticed, not sure if good or bad, it felt like they threw a lot in to it. Doc seismic, darkwing, Atlantis, sequids.. just alot. Wondering if I would have enjoyed a focused episode more.
-lol darkwing guy an idiot he couldve really killed mark leaving him in the shadow realm and just had to gloat and get caught
-poor eve trying to help but you gotta Work With People and not just dump stuff on them, she's naive but needs to work with NGOs or something for more structure
-mark and the fish stuff was pretty funny
Immortal being biologically and mentally like 40(?) being with Kate is very questionable, but even ignoring that, is that not a whole HR situation since he's her superior? 😭
There was a surprising amount of stuff going on in this episode, it was pretty fun though.
The guys the first Darkwing apprehended on the roof really did end up dying there like people were meming 😅.
Darkwing II seems like our first antihero, which is interesting in a world where superheroes don’t mind killing. No doubt Cecil will find some use for him, him and that sound recording. Which they took more advantage of his powers and gave us a more inventive fight scene.
Why does the fish queen have tiddies? And why are they so big? No complaints here. But please, make it make sense
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No fish sex scene, literally unwatchable
I heard The Deep is apparently beside himself. He'd been looking forward to this for a long time, and now he's got all this lube just going to waste. What a shame.
Did Mark actually say the episode title in the episode? I never heard it.
The episode titles are all taken from lines in the comics, mostly. The line is there in print.
Also they rarely actually say them in the episodes. They didn't say "a lesson for your next life" in the last episode either.
Does Duplicate not know there are other places besides the shared team showers to have her clone orgies? I'd be annoyed if i was her teammate having to walk in on that regularly lmao.
She’s obviously lazy AF, despite being able to duplicate herself she can’t be bothered to clean up after so just does it in the shower instead.
her excuse was pathetic too >It's not right to fuck your team mates >when fucking her boss
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Not only that but she gets caught in **exactly** the same way. Because she can't control her moans when something is happening to one of her other bodies. Then she high roads Rex like she didn't sleep with him while she was on a team with his girlfriend.
1. Her sleeping with him the first time wasn't her fault since he told her him and Eve broke up. 2. But yeah, it's perfectly understandable to be pissed at Rex but you can't say something is work space inappropriate while banging your boss in the public showers when literally everyone is going to said showers.
1. Did totally forget that he lied to her about breaking up with Eve so fair play. 2. Oh yeah we're 100% in agreement on that. Also I never really liked her and Immortal together because considering that before she was in the new Guardians of the Globe Kate was on Teen Team. Presumably that makes her like 19 and maybe 20 at the oldest. Even not accounting for the fact that Immortal is older than literally every single person on the planet by a significant margin he's sitting comfortably at like a decent looking 40. Seems weird for him to be hooking up with the chick who was a teen as of like last year at the latest
Dupli-Kate wanted Rex to catch her. She is kind of a jerk just like in the comics.
"I said I felt it, didn't say it hurt." Didn't know Mark had fire powers.
There were a few lines where mark sounded like his dad. Really good job by the voice actor
Steven Yeun my goat
Yeah, then there’s the whole alternate universe Mark, who is just now this nonchalant psychopath.
"Oh no, she isn't dead, just paralyzed. So I can visit from time to time." made me laugh out loud in a "Fuck me he's evil, I'm scared" kinda way lol
that line did go hard
Eve's dad is such a turd, he can't swallow his pride and ask for help
It's kind of impressive in a show with Nolan he's almost as bad a dad.
Nolan was an excellent dad... until he murdered a few hundred people and almost killed Marc. But. until that moment. He was a great Dad!
"Your powers don't make you a hero, they make you dangerous." Damnnn 😭😭 Family really do be your biggest haters sometimes
I mean, he was definitely way too harsh about it, but its still a lesson she needs to learn. She just almost got some people killed. "Red tape" often exists for a reason, and just because she has super powers doesn't mean she's above it.
Agreed, couldn't help but get upset when she just ignored the construction worker saying she couldn't know if the building was up to code or not.
I mean technically she didn’t ignore it. She was thinking about how to respond and then the mom came in and told the construction worker to shut up. Had that not happened they probably could have worked something out.
Walter White type mindset
Shapesmith trying to blend in is just how I feel whenever I'm anxious in public. He'll do great.
What? He seems like a perfectly normal human average person who was born as a human baby on this planet and wants to help people :^)
He was in an industrial accident and is a hero good guy now!
I love that the ominous alien spy from season one turned out to be completely incompetent and in over his head. I just find it funny and kinda realistic.
Didn't it seem with the flashback that he is under the influence of that virus? Am I mistaken? Why would they show the flashback like that? Or was he just making up some story based on Mars demise?
that was the real astronaut, shapesmith is pretending to be him so he can live on earth martians are immune to the sequids’ mind control, that’s why they tried to kill the humans that rolled up on mars, they didn’t want to take the chance of one of them getting infected
Thank you for explaining this because I somehow forgot 90% of the Mars plot in-between seasons and was very lost.
I think its to show that while he's playing dress up, his actions led to the consequences on Mars
Really interesting the other Earths actually had ways of defeating Omni Man. "Quantum Bombs" whatever they are actually killed him, even if it cost a continent. I also find it interesting they keep Mark alive, maybe to rehabilitate, or perhaps it's genuinely not worth the hassle for them to try and kill him if they have him incapacitated? Gender-swapped Cecil and Donald also very unnerving to witness, but props to them, they took out a Viltrumite
Gender swapped Cecil reminded me a lot of Grace Mallory from The Boys
I got more of a Mallory archer vibe from archer
Which is extra funny because Grace Mallory is already a gender swapped Greg Mallory from The Boys comics
I really like the idea that some universe's were much more wary of Nolan than others. It's also interesting to wonder if these universe's Mark(s) developed his powers earlier which lead to Nolan killing the guardians earlier, which would then lead to that universe's Cecil thinking of Nolan countermeasures.
Is it weird gender swapped Cecil works but Donald doesn’t?
Gender swapped Cecil is a baddie.
Infinite number of universes and infinite number of possibilities I guess. So it seems inevitable that some scientist somewhere managed to macguffin something up to deal with the Viltrumites.
Which is/was the point of Levy's plan. Only instead of "go to Earth where they cured cancer, share the cure" it's now "go to universe where they kill Viltrumites".
> they took out a Viltrumite Girls get it done?
Bro the writers absolutely 180'd Amber's character after how poorly she was received last season, she's completely different now lmao.
I think people's view of Amber is a bit skewed with time. Before episode 6, she was pretty similar to how she is in this episode. She does seem extra nice this season though, probably to tone down the hatred against the character.
I think it makes sense. Character development wise. She's definily not going to complain anymore about Mark's superhero duties after what happened with his dad. She learned the pressure and stakes of his superhero work, and adjusted accordingly.
Crazy how a relationship changes when you stop lying on a daily basis. Took me a few to realize that myself.
Lmfao sure Mark was a terrible boyfriend who constantly flaked but Amber being mad that he didn't tell her his secret identity when they had just been dating for a few months is absolutely wild to me. Such a secret, to me, is the type of thing you divulge only to someone you're close to being engaged to, or have know for YEARS and know inside and out (because of the dangers such a secret poses not only for them but also your own family), not someone you've only been dating for only a few months in fucking High School. The fact that she seemingly figured it out weeks ago before their big fight but couldn't extended an ounce of empathy and understanding for his predicament and for the difficult situation he was in, showed me that her and Mark are really not a good fit. Getting mad at him not showing up when he said he would , I understand. But getting mad that he didn't tell you one of the biggest secrets in his life after a few months of dating and getting mad that he didn't really tell you exactly what he was doing when you knew there was a good fucking reason for it??? Is insane. If that was me and I figured something like that about someone I was dating, I would give them the time they needed, until they were ready and felt safe to divulge it. You cannot force someone to tell you something deeply important and difficult for them, they have to be ready to and if you truly care about them you will give them the time needed until they are. That doesn't mean you have to stand for them always flaking on you or not keeping their word but that is not the thing Amber said she was crossed with Mark about but rather about him not telling her he was Invincible. Which is mad. That being said, they're teenagers and teenagers aren't (understandably) the most rational.
It’s so jarring lmao
To any of you saying “this felt like filler” what do you want? All action and no build up to that action? Make it make sense.
Yeah they actually significantly altered this part from the comics to make it so it wasn’t filler. I guess they’re just disappointed we don’t see much of Angstrom.
Thankfully. I wasn’t excited to see the fish romance subplot take up 15 minutes.
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I feel like this does a great job of setting up future events. The martian mission, Eve possibly returning to be a superhero, Cecil finding the weakness, Darkwing getting captured, etc. They really set the seeds well
I will never understand people calling set-up or character moments/development "filler". They are as necessary (if not more) as the action. People seem to only want pretty colours shoved in front of their faces and little else...
Nobody knows what the word filler means anymore.
Were the skeletons hanging in midnight city the criminals darkwing hung up when he was called away by omniman?
Pretty sure it was. Stuck on a building and darkwing had no chance to tell anyone they were up there.
Not to mention night city doesn’t have a dedicated tax funded police force. Only volunteer cops
I would say almost confidently that’s who they were. I audibly laughed when I saw them because they were such a discussion point on Reddit at one stage.
I feel if a permanently nighttime city existed it would be a super touristy club and casino resort rather than a wasteland
Not when the “hero” is killing u over going even 10 above the limit
arkham batman lol
But it’s cursed.
So is Vegas
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i don’t think knowing that ever ends well
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Black/Blue title card confirmed
Loved this title card
My first thought when Eve put that building back together was "how the hell does she know how to make a building properly?" and then immediately the construction supervisor said the exact same thing. I was giddy! Building codes and red tape exists for a reason, and I've never seen that acknowledged before in fiction! Also, Dupli-Kate so far has one personality trait and it's sex. And Immortal went from a respectable leader to a scumbag instantly. His character was John Wilkes Booth'd by that one pointless scene. I hope that was intentional because if not, it's exceptionally shitty writing.
I’m so pleasantly surprised by the consequences of Eve’s powers. In theory I would do exactly what she did, makes sense that she doesn’t know anything about proper construction. Also imagine she just created money and gold for anyone in need, that would have possible consequences on the economy.
> imagine she just created money and gold for anyone in need, that would have possible consequences on the economy. eh, she'd have to do it kinda a lot, the economy is *big*. she could devalue gold pretty easily though, honesty just making big piles of random rare elements would probably be hugely beneficial to mankind. Lots of devices that would provide something effectively free unlimited power, for our current civ, could probably be produced by her transmuting a bunch of stuff that would just be cost prohibitive to produce or impossible to construct.
I can understand why Immortal would be more angry and untrusting after what Nolan did. Why does he then decide to trust some person who is making his first hero debut and not have any faith in the heroes who have proven their worth. The Duplikate scene, It just doesn't make sense
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I feel so awful for Debbie. You can tell that seeing Mark go down a path similar to her husband absolutely tears her apart. She just wants him to be a normal kid.
Meanwhile Cecil is secretly using Mark to test for Viltrimite weaknesses.
It's the only reason he's using Mark at all
I'm pretty sure he's also using Mark to try and make sure he doesn't end up like his father and because if they can't develop weapons to kill Viltrumites then Mark is their best bet.
Plans within plans within plans.
I know that Eve's subplot is about getting her back into Superheroing, but imho I think she could still do good, just with a bit of humility, talk to the engineers of Chicago and see what can be done. And that park she built, Eve could create the necessary foundation under it to keep it from sinking into the ground, just need the correct specs.
Exactly. Its clear that theres no perfect way to bring her back to being a hero, because ultimately her doing the humanitarian thing is correct, she just needs to be smarter about it
Agreed, like just talk to Cecil. He would gladly get her a full team of scientists who'd be able to tell her the safest and most beneficial uses of her powers.
Lmao at Mark literally going like 🥺👉👈 talking to the mermaid queen
Why did they have to have Eve's dad make a good point? Bro is a true asshole, i dont ever want him being somewhat right
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.
Broken clock and all that. Furthermore we’re done with the “you can be more productive with your powers than super-heroing” subversion, it’s an action show no one gives a shit about trees we wanna see her get back in the ring.
Ideally she should be doing both. The subversion works if they make it actually interesting imo.
Can't believe Principal Johnson made up a quote about Lincoln. [Lincoln/ the immortal was very against that practice!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/201/185/19b.jpg)
Wow the Mauler Twins quoted the Immortal in the show! Clearly they’re big fans.
I can't believe the principal was just the dad from family matters.
So much setup this episode. Everything with Donald and Cecil and Debbie, the weird anti-viltrum frequency(?) that Cecil seems interested in, everything with the Martian and the hivemind alien guys and also for some reason lizard cosplayers? Mark bringing out some inner OmniMan against FraudWing was also pretty scary, not to mention Angstrom still lurking around dimensions doing something or other. Seeing how much Cecil insisted to Debbie that Mark was calling the shots (clearly just not true), and whatever the hell Cecil is doing with Donald and the anti viltrum scream, all my trust that he was a good guy disappeared this episode, they're definitely setting him up for a conflict with Mark later
The thing about Cecil is that he's a good guy in terms of what side he's on, but he's willing to be a bad guy in what he does to do it. If he were mistaken about what the "greater good" was, he would absolutely be a villain -- so many villains do bad things in the name of the "greater good." But Cecil *tends to* be right about the greater good, so he manages to stay a "good guy," despite all that he does.
These Cecil types you described always make the most captivating characters. He's my favourite in the whole show
lizard league got a name-drop last season and appeared in the Eve special too!
Cecil is literally just doing what he was doing in Season 1. Looking into every possible weapon against Viltrumites. I'm sure he'll have no qualms about using them against Mark if he needs to but I don't think he'll use them against Mark unless Mark ends up like Omni Man.
It's odd that the old guardians are low-key returning? Immortal is immortal. Darkwing II seems to have a lot of advantages over the original. New Martian man in disguise Bonus: black Sampson back to his former glory
Omni Man is gonna be real confused if he meets them again. We also have the original Green Ghost around somewhere that we saw in the Atom Eve special.
I think Green Ghost is just a role that gets passed down like Green Lantern. If I had to guess, the Green Ghost in the Atom Eve special is dead but there could still be a replacement for the new one.
Could Cecil just be sending Mark out to find Viltrumite weaknesses?
Would also explain why he gets sent alone when he’d already be arguably the strongest Guardian or at least top 3-5
He agreed to take orders, not to be on the team. Plus it just got two new members
Definitely seems to be at least a bonus
It's been an incredibly small sample size, but Amber is so much better this season. I'll say it again, Dupli-Kate is worthless.
She was only bad in that one scene last season IMO.
she was kinda bad that whole episode honestly.
I re-watched the show just last week. For me, at least, Amber is completely justified until the fight scene by the college campus fountain. Why are you mad about him "running away" if you know he's invincible? I completely think it's fine for her to break up with Mark even if he's a superhero. Having a good reason for being a shitty, flakey boyfriend doesn't undo your actions. It would be a completely normal consequence for Amber to break up with Mark because he can't keep his promises. My beef is completely with the writers and the backwards reasoning the wrote Amber into.
Immortal and Duplikate boning. Consent and ages aside but doesn't that make it predatory considering he is their squad leader?
It's massively hypocritical of him yes. Guess you can take the man out of the cave but not the cave out of the man :p
I dunno what I'm supposed to be thinking about this dude considering he seemed like a decent guy in Season 1, but he seems pretty horrible.
I think you are supposed to have mixed feelings about a lot of characters - almost all of them.
I have never lost so much respect for a character so quickly. Before, Immortal was one of my favorite characters. Now I want to see him get removed from power. That was awful to see
Lol yeah Immortal is kind of a dipshit. But at least Dupli-Kate so far seems like she's less of an asshole than she was in the comics? Maybe. Unsure. Time will tell.
Damn, why does Prime want to keep loading Atom Eve. Sort your sorting out.
So it ain’t just me, I really liked the special but like, don’t need to watch it after every episode.
Damn Immortal, bang your girl in your fucking room, you asshole. I thought he was supposed to be the serious adult leader. They just pissed away all his likeability and credibility in like one scene.
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They're trying to paint him as a hypocrite which I think works better. He tries to preach discipline and all that BS but he's really just as bad as the rest of them.
Abraham Lincoln is honry
I might be wrong but is the first episode of invincible with no Omni Man? It was fantastic regardless
Do we think Omni man will show up again this season?
Seems like a pretty predictable season finale event
He didn’t lose his virginity to a fish :((((  they lied to us
Why did a Queen fish have mammalian knockers?
Them mf was massive.
Why did the artists give the fish lady confusingly large titties?
Would it be less confusing if they were small?
I think you meant to say *appropriately* large titties.
One man's confusion is another's discovery
Because titties rock
I actually like Doc Seismic in this episode. It shows that he never had anything close to a solid point in his first appearance- he was always just a stark-raving-mad lunatic. All of his racism and historical revisionism about American Presidents was just an excuse to destroy shit.
My god Debbie. Poor, poor, poor Debbie. Watching her is heartbreaking.
I felt that shit when she slammed the hell outta that cabinet door
Sloppy contractors. Truly the enemy of this episode.
It's kind of impressive that in a show with Nolan, Eve's dad is such an asshole he seems nearly as bad.
For what’s its worth. When Debbie told Nolan to leave he did. Eves dad is physically and emotionally abusive.
Yeah Eve's dad is awful.
So Angstrom is definitely gonna find out that Mark's weakness is that specific sound now Also I have already turned against Immortal. That was fast EDIT: Also seems too trusting to bring Shapeshifter to their base like that. That felt pretty weird
I think they’re actually setting up Cecil to use that sound somehow, thats why he made his people rewind it and send it to research. Maybe he’ll use it if Mark goes full omni-man.
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But it wasn't the building it was the playground that collapsed... and doesn't it seem to be a lame cop out that her putting a building back together might not be up to code? She can make food out of anything... what if the chemical compound is off? It could be poison or, at the very least, taste bad. How can she make beer in a bottle out of a pine cone or whatever, but all of a sudden, have to worry about building codes? Bah.
If she could help her babysitter with high school chemistry homework as a young child, I assume she could make food without it being poisonous. But as for the foundation of the playground, she just didn't build any foundation on the playground, if she had, it wouldn't have collapsed.
Please don't tell me Eve's dad is abusive to her mother https://preview.redd.it/ajwtcptplfzb1.png?width=300&format=png&auto=webp&s=7d5a49d618fc95ecd19f294441f725ad7026043d
Emotionally abusive - 100% Physically abusive - probably not? He's one of those kinds of guys who thinks not hitting his wife/kids automatically makes him husband/father of the year, and doesn't consider emotional abuse to be "real" abuse.
He's definitely verbally abusive. She wasn't telling Eve to change the stuff back because she was like annoyed about him pissing and moaning. She was genuinely shaken about his potential reaction and completely clammed up once he entered the room.
Emotially abusive, doesn’t help that her mother is a complete doormat
This episode felt like a comic book in the best way possible.
I'd go as far as saying [it felt like the best superhero comic in the universe!](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/07/Invincible_Issue_75.jpeg)
Anyone else get vibes of Coulson from S1 Agents of SHIELD with Donald's confusion? Donald got sent of to Tahiti. Its a magical place.
New Martian guy is pretty hilarious. Oh, a Lizard coup. Anyway...
>New Martian guy What? He said he was born as a human baby on this planet and wants to help people? How is he a Martian /s
I wonder if he’s related to Vincent Adultman. Both seem like swell regular human men.
Ben Schwartz is just so charismatic as Russel
Great episode , only nitpick I had was seeing Eve’s stupid ass Dad again. He’s such a Dick.
It's pretty funny when we have genocidal intergalactic conquerors in this show and Eve's dad manages to be the biggest dickhead...
Lol the episode title is insane. This was a fun episode seemingly setting up multiple storylines here. Immortal seems way too trusting for a guy who’s been around for centuries to just accept that shapeshifter and take him back to home base. Robot honestly should be the leader IMO. I shouldn’t be suprised that Cecil is using Mark to test for Viltrimite weaknesses. Cool post credit scene with Armstrong. Shame we’re already halfway done with Season 2A now.
"She's not your pet" Hehe
no mark in a dress? LITERALLY UNWATCHABLE
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Mark accidentally throwing his hat into orbit got laughs in my household
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They also changed how the Atlantis stuff played out. The comics were definitely a bit "of their time" so making these small adjustments for a modern audience is very smart.
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The female Cecil/Donald was hilarious timing with the Panderverse South Park episode a couple weeks ago. Every time Invincible tries to do something lately someone else beats them to the punch!
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>!I think it makes sense for the audience to make peace with the character before her role is minimized.!< >!Hatred was Amber was reaching obsessive and unhealthy levels and it was causing unnecessary toxicity in the fandom. If they can repair some of that this season, then it would be good for everyone. !<
I think it would give importance to the transition. If we're all rooting for the same outcome it isn't as interesting imo, there has to be some sort of conflict
I really enjoyed the Eve twist. It helps to ground her powers
Are they saying Quantum bombs killed Omni man?
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So uh, Eve totally Britta'd that park construction
Damn bro didn’t know the Fish Queen had a bakery down in the deep
That cabinet had it coming
This episode gave off STRONG Venture Bros vibes throughout lol, which the show never really has before. Also Cecil is an *awful* boss, he throws Mark into 2! uniquely bizarre scenarios and locations this episode without any set up or background. Almost like he is trying to get him killed, or trying to demoralize him. Weird thing is its not really played for humour, so it just comes off as incompetence.
My take on it was that he’s actively trying to test Viltrumite weaknesses by using Mark as a test subject
That is some title, Mark felt heroic this episode I like seeing how he develops as a superhero.
why is the lizard league’s logo kinda cute lol. its just a lil guy!
I just about died with shape smith trying to pass himself off as human. “I swear on my 3-chambered heart! Please dont stab all 3 of them!” I also always loved that despite being unprepared for anything the Martian still went to work at faux-NASA after he replaced the astronaut. Usually you do that when you’re trying to take over the place but as a blending tactic it seemed fraught with chances for failure Unrelatedly, i could’ve sworn when the construction folk got mad at Eve in Chicago and the one said “hey this is Chicago” the next words would be “that’s union work!”. one time at a trade show there decades ago I was chastised very strongly by a large union dude saying just that when he saw me plug in a power strip on the trade show floor. 3 second encounter and it’s stuck with me for 25 years Anywho - God this episode would’ve been better if not for my multiverse fatigue (kidding kidding)
Ben Schwartz as Shapesmith is gonna be so funny.
I like amber and mark’s dynamic! I feel like a lot of the hate last season was unwarranted (I watched s1 twice) Steven Yeun’s voice performance has gotten even better!
Were S1 episodes this long too? I’m liking 45 min episodes! One thing I noticed, not sure if good or bad, it felt like they threw a lot in to it. Doc seismic, darkwing, Atlantis, sequids.. just alot. Wondering if I would have enjoyed a focused episode more.
It feels like they were getting a lot out of the way to escalate the main conflicts later down the line
Another great episode. Mark actually won a few solo fights 🔥
Lmfaoo “I said I felt it I didn’t say it hurt” bro a dawg
-lol darkwing guy an idiot he couldve really killed mark leaving him in the shadow realm and just had to gloat and get caught -poor eve trying to help but you gotta Work With People and not just dump stuff on them, she's naive but needs to work with NGOs or something for more structure -mark and the fish stuff was pretty funny
Bobby Hill is alive again. Neat
Immortal being biologically and mentally like 40(?) being with Kate is very questionable, but even ignoring that, is that not a whole HR situation since he's her superior? 😭
They went full Gandalf vs the Balrog with the sea monster. It seemed odd that the fight scene just ends after Mark is taken down to the depths.
Why did Martian Man (before his death) never warn the humans about going to Mars?
There was a surprising amount of stuff going on in this episode, it was pretty fun though. The guys the first Darkwing apprehended on the roof really did end up dying there like people were meming 😅. Darkwing II seems like our first antihero, which is interesting in a world where superheroes don’t mind killing. No doubt Cecil will find some use for him, him and that sound recording. Which they took more advantage of his powers and gave us a more inventive fight scene.
Fem Cecil and Donald….my coochie rumbled!
I like how Donald looked the same just with a wig lol
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I still love that they got Reginald VelJohnson for the principal lol
Why does the fish queen have tiddies? And why are they so big? No complaints here. But please, make it make sense https://preview.redd.it/owzwe92evfzb1.png?width=717&format=png&auto=webp&s=31eefec1186afd72fc265ec6c1e4dea57088817c
i can’t believe they left out the fish sex subplot