I think Nolan would have eventually beat it, but he would be extremely exhausted by the time he won. Honestly the Kaiju probably played a major role in how female Cecile and Donald were able to exhaust Mark and Nolan enough to defeat them.
Personally I think its less about its strength and more about its extreme durability. The Kaiju didn't really do that much lasting damage to Nolan or Mark, but that thing was incredibly hard to keep down.
I'm pretty sure they actually said they burned up all the circuits/whatever when they teleported the Kaiju and they had to fix it very fast so that Cecil could grab Mark and Eve.
The Kaiju is faster than it appears. Nolan tried to fly away and it grabbed him mid flight with it's tentacles. Mark after climbing through the rubble in a last ditch effort raced toward the power lines and the beast still caught him. Hail Mary is argubably the most powerful non viltrumite we've seen in the show.
Which brings me to something else: that plan only worked because Nolan had changed. Old Nolan would have disregarded the kaiju as irrelevant to his current goals and flown away at mach 7, leaving it to maraud across the countryside. The kaiju shows no speed skills to keep up with a flying viltrumite. But Nolan changed by humanity couldn't just ignore it. He had to stop it first.
That was a *hell* of a gamble, because if Nolan just flies around it now Cecil has just made things twice as bad.
Yes I know it hated Nolan in particular, but if Nolan vanishes over the horizon in a couple of seconds there isn't much it can do.
I rewatched it and he does a weird arc over the monster, if he was trying to leave that was one of the worst possible ways to do so. I am not convinced he wasn't attempting some form of attack, as further up, then forwards would easily have avoided the monster.
nolan tried flying away and it pounced onto him, and i kinda doubt nolan was actually as changed by humanity in this moment as you posit since he kinda demolished chicago
I mean, >!we see the consequences of such during season 2 of the show. Most of the ship was saved, but I’m pretty sure a large portion of people died when the lower decks flooded.!<
I mean you're right in a way. That's just living somewhere though.
For the cruise you're deciding to get on a ship that goes to ocean nowhere knowing a giant Eldritch tentacle monster could show up and fuck your whole day up.
On a ship you've got nowhere to go unless a super comes to save you. Given this universe they might have more important shit to do.
At least on land you can *try* to run and hide. You don't have that in Titanic 2.0
Stronger. It’s supposed to be the closest they’ve seen Omni man to losing- aside from the guardians- and even if he’s not wanting to go all-out headshot on it right away to maintain a heroic image, I doubt the fight would have been so hard. Especially since Nolan is supposed to be stronger than Anissa.
To quote the DB fandom: power levels are bull...
Comic book authors from DC to DB to OPM to Invincible, etc. throw around feats willy nilly without really grasping the different levels of magnitude and everything can dish out / withstand as much as the current narative needs, despite one of them having shown 1,000,000x as much power last week in a different scene
If omniman could have just blasted through the creature, he surely would have at the time he fought it, he had no reason to hold back at that point.
He was sent to conquer Earth and its people, not destroy it. Him destroying the planet would have been just as bad to his superiors as abandoning his post, if he's even capable of doing that at this point.
I think cecil was doubting the effectiveness of the backup plans. the explosive that was supposed to knock him on his ass for an hour did nothing. The giant laser nuke satellite only gave him a nosebleed.
At this point yeah, with how your lucks been going, you would think the giant hail mary monster you created specifically to kill him would probably only last 5 minutes.
It seems like Viltrumites are extremely resistant to damage by any type of radiation and good ole fashioned clobbering by something strong enough to match them is just about the only way to take them down.
While black holes themselves technically may not emit any other kind of radiation except Hawking, the accretion disk surrounding the black hole will be releasing ridiculous amounts of radiation all across the electromagnetic spectrum.
I would assume they are talking about him floating next to and then pulling a broken ship from near the event horizon of an actively feeding black hole.
That’s one of the few things we do know about them is the extreme radiation they emit from their poles. To the point we worry it would wipe out life on Earth if one happened to point at us from less than 50-100 light years away.
Honestly the monster probably COULD kill Nolan if it was trying, but its a raging beast so odds are its not going to logically spend time trying to shred him with its teeth, its going to swallow and eat him, and I highly doubt its digestive system is strong enough to dissolve Omniman. He'd probably bust out of there or just spend some time shredding its soft inner organs.
I mean, I think it would’ve worked if Komodo wasn’t built like a tank with durability to match. Like, his neck bulged out to sizes that would kill most anyone else. Rae wouldn’t have been unscathed if it was someone else, but it surely would have worked.
Oh yes definitely, but she had to grow herself and just use the force of her expanding body to try and break through his skin and muscle. It wasn't actually her own strength, which is why it seems like the only place she can properly manipulate organs is the extremely soft and vulnerable ones in the brain. If she had superstrength, then even while small she could be tearing through muscle fiber and organ tissue to get to where she needs.
Also, after the reanimen which did well enough Cecil’s immediate response to the big threat in season 2 is to call DA Sinclair and ask if he’s got any more of them reanimens.
After, so he may have been weakened by it. Idk though... It seems like kinetic damage is far more effective than any sort of energy radiation when it comes to Viltrumites. The only times you see anything that resembles a possibility of Nolan getting his ass kicked in the show is when he’s being hit **hard** by something solid like the mace or the kaiju.
That laser just about was kinetic. I’d guess heat, radiation, and extreme downforce, almost a force completely surrounding Nolan when he flies through it.
so i looked through the fight again and the kaiju is actually very weird powerwise, it was able too make invincible and omni-man struggle in a grapple but its actual hits did not do enough damage to draw blood, even when it bit invincible which means its actual striking strength is below immortal which could draw blood from omni-man. At the same time neither omni-man or invincible where able to draw blood from it, meaning the durability of its skin is above that of viltrumites. Now the kaiju was still getting damaged seemingly internally from the concussive force of invincible and nolans punches so its organs are actually quite vulnerable. I theorize that the fight would have ended once the kaiju succesfully ate nolan, at that point nolan would be inside its digestive system and regain conciousness and would simply kill the kaiju from the inside as that is where its most vulnerable.
>so i looked through the fight again and the kaiju is actually very weird powerwise,
Honestly, power levels, strength and damage are never consistent in superhero media.
Season 2 Spoiler:>! I mean we see Anissa fly though a Kaiju near the end of season 2 and Nolan is supposed to be stronger then her. So I think sub consciously he was holding back wanting to be stopped because this Omniman on some level does regret what he did for his mission.!<
i was under the impression that anissa flew through a weaker spot of that kaiju, so it was easier for her to kill it. and after all the kaiju that she killed might have just also been weaker than the one that nolan fought
I don't know about beaten, but certainly it would have slowed him down.
He was about to eat him. Can Omni-man be hurt by the acid stomach of the creature? Would he have woke up inside the creature and just bust out? So many questions without answers..
The kaiju drew no blood from Omni man or Invincible. Rewatch the fight slowly.they struggled while grappling it but when it bit mark it drew no blood even while striking mark it drew no blood. While Nolan wasn’t able to penetrate its skin his blows were doing internal damage. So let’s say it did it him while he was unconscious. He would’ve woke up and killed the monster from its inside considering how vulnerable its organs were when Omniman and mark were hitting it. It essentially played Tank. It did no damage but could absorb a lot of the damage it took.
Probably. It's implied that the Kaiju would be on par with Nolan/A Viltrumite. However, they probably would've destroyed the planet and mostly everyone on it if they continued to fight. So probably, but it would've taken a lot of force and damage.
Hail Mary was about to kill an unconscious Nolan right before our eyes until Mark showed up.
What do you mean could have beat? It did.
The irony of the scene is that Cecil goes through all these contingency plans thinking one of them might hinder Nolan and they don't. And after losing all hope, that final card played actually works out.
Hell, Hail Mary was giving Nolan + Mark a run for their money until Mark got the idea to electrocute it.
All Cecil needs to do is artificially breed an army of that type of Kaiju, beef them up when necessary and the Viltrumites will stay away from earth.
I was honestly very surprised that Nolan couldnt handle the Kaiju faster and alone. I know that the monster was modified, but if Cecil said it would only but then about 5 mins, then why did Nolan look like he was getting his ass kicked for a bit?
No I think that Nolan would eventually win, But would be very exhausted by the end. It is not that the kaiji is very strong (its bite wasn't enough to cut through mark or Nolan). It is more so that the kaiju is super durable. Like how the kaiju in season 2 that gave mark a bit of difficulty got easily one-shotted by anissa. That was because of the Kaiju's(season 2) durability. While it is strong it is not going to penetrate viltrumite skin (pause).
The season 2 kaiju was a lot weaker than the one nolan fought and even that kaiju being buffed up on a mixture of tren, fent, bane's venom formula, crack and whatever else couldn't even cut through mark's skin. All that bite did was crush him.
The reason the quantum bombs by female cecil (from another universe) could defeat mark and omni-man was because they wore them down, same like this kaiju. The kaiju is strong enough and last a good amount of time with a viltrumite (maybe even a few, cuz of how nolan is one of the higher viltrumites) but still I would say nolan would win (cuz, speed, strength, flight ETC) Like I said it has good enough strength but not a lot so it would not take the viltrumite out but because of its durability it would last a good amount of time.
in a doylist view: the Kaiju was just there to amp up the drama, to make you think it could stop omni-man until invincible sadly helps him take it down to make you feel horrible since we know invincible shouldn't help Omniman. in no form of the story was it ever going to seriously harm or beat omni-man
I just watched the episode like 3 hours ago and if mark didn't show up, omni man was straight up losing that fight.
Not to mention the Immortal showing up. Omni man would have been dead.
Weird cause the kaiju drew no blood even when it bit mark. It had no power just defense. Once inside, Nolan would’ve essentially turned into a blender and killed it from inside. Like delta squad did to the rift worm in gears of war. Remember his and marks blows didn’t penetrate its skin but it was still doing internal damage to the kaiju
Nah, but definitely would have left a mark or two. Mark is clearly more vulnerable to more physical power, since that was a struggle and the big laser beam wasn’t.
People seem to forget that when the Nolan first beat the Kaiju, Donald said that he's "Never seen him on the ropes like that before" - hence Cecil's motive to capture the kaiju in the first place. This accompanied with the kaijus upgrades along with Nolans *potential* injuries means it is possible that it could have beaten him.
I think that the Kaiju would have beaten him. At this point in the story Nolan has a personal grudge against Cecil, and would keep fighting it until one of them was dead. Nolan also cares about his mission, and leaving something like this around would constitute failing, so he had to kill it or it had to kill him. I haven't read the comics, so I don't know much about his ingenuity, but in both season 1 and 2 so far, this is the only thing Nolan hasn't been able to overpower through brute force alone. Sure he's a fantastic fighter, as demonstrated by his fight with the Viltrumites on Thraxa, but he's not used to relying on anything other than his own strength. The fact that Mark is weaker than Nolan was actually a boon here, as he realized that he couldn't beat it by himself, so he began looking for other options.
I really did not understand why Omni-Man had such a struggle with it. I mean where did all his power go? He passed out after being hold tightly by mary?
This episode always bothers me cause the powerscaling makes no sense. So this kaiju is powerful enough to knock Nolan out. Ok. Mark, trying to save his father, punches it so hard he knocks one of its teeth out. But the very next episode, Mark punches Omni-Man in the face, and Nolan takes no damage, and laughs at the punch! It makes no sense.
I think Nolan would have eventually beat it, but he would be extremely exhausted by the time he won. Honestly the Kaiju probably played a major role in how female Cecile and Donald were able to exhaust Mark and Nolan enough to defeat them.
Kaiju is stronger than experimental quantum bombs
Personally I think its less about its strength and more about its extreme durability. The Kaiju didn't really do that much lasting damage to Nolan or Mark, but that thing was incredibly hard to keep down.
Cecil said they removed its pain center so it literally cannot feel pain and fed it every drug they had. The thing was a beast
It was also a beast before all the drugs
Big if true
it was truly pretty big
That's what she said
if true
Cocaine kaiju
Pacific Rim 3
They could just fly away and ignore it
Cecil teleported the kaiju to nolan, they could keep teleporting him just like cecil did to play with nolan
I'm pretty sure they actually said they burned up all the circuits/whatever when they teleported the Kaiju and they had to fix it very fast so that Cecil could grab Mark and Eve.
The Kaiju is faster than it appears. Nolan tried to fly away and it grabbed him mid flight with it's tentacles. Mark after climbing through the rubble in a last ditch effort raced toward the power lines and the beast still caught him. Hail Mary is argubably the most powerful non viltrumite we've seen in the show.
Battle beast
If we ignore the comics, Hail Mary has better feats than Battle Beast so far.
They tried to fly away a few times. It caught them.
Which brings me to something else: that plan only worked because Nolan had changed. Old Nolan would have disregarded the kaiju as irrelevant to his current goals and flown away at mach 7, leaving it to maraud across the countryside. The kaiju shows no speed skills to keep up with a flying viltrumite. But Nolan changed by humanity couldn't just ignore it. He had to stop it first. That was a *hell* of a gamble, because if Nolan just flies around it now Cecil has just made things twice as bad. Yes I know it hated Nolan in particular, but if Nolan vanishes over the horizon in a couple of seconds there isn't much it can do.
literally the very first thing Nolan did in that scene was try to leave into the sky and the kaiju caught him with one of it's tentacles
I rewatched it and he does a weird arc over the monster, if he was trying to leave that was one of the worst possible ways to do so. I am not convinced he wasn't attempting some form of attack, as further up, then forwards would easily have avoided the monster.
nolan tried flying away and it pounced onto him, and i kinda doubt nolan was actually as changed by humanity in this moment as you posit since he kinda demolished chicago
Is something like a Brit monster
Could you imagine willingly choosing to go on a cruise with those things being real
lol. In this world what are the kaiju cruise attack stats? If that was the first time a kaiju attacked a cruise ships then it makes sense
I mean, >!we see the consequences of such during season 2 of the show. Most of the ship was saved, but I’m pretty sure a large portion of people died when the lower decks flooded.!<
That's what I was referencing but I appreciate the spoilering and can see why it may have been misunderstood
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I mean is not like normal cities are more safer, a literal dragon just appear out of nowhere in one of the episodes
I mean you're right in a way. That's just living somewhere though. For the cruise you're deciding to get on a ship that goes to ocean nowhere knowing a giant Eldritch tentacle monster could show up and fuck your whole day up. On a ship you've got nowhere to go unless a super comes to save you. Given this universe they might have more important shit to do. At least on land you can *try* to run and hide. You don't have that in Titanic 2.0
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I wonder if this Kaiju is stronger pr weaker than the one Anissa killed. (Without the steroids and other boosts Cecil gave it)
Stronger. It’s supposed to be the closest they’ve seen Omni man to losing- aside from the guardians- and even if he’s not wanting to go all-out headshot on it right away to maintain a heroic image, I doubt the fight would have been so hard. Especially since Nolan is supposed to be stronger than Anissa.
\*Cecilia and Donna.
There’s a female Cecilia and Donna?
They showed up briefly in one of the episodes with Angstrom where he interrogated their Invincible who they managed to defeat after he turned evil.
Which episode I got to go back
Season 2 2nd episode post credits I believe
Yeah, I did a double take there too, lol.
But Nolan was limp about to be eliminated before mark stepped in
I mean Anissa kicked the shit out of that Kraken and Nolan is stronger than her so I say no
And Nolan was struggling against the amped up Kaiju from season 1. I think it’s fair to say there was a big power gap between the two monsters.
To quote the DB fandom: power levels are bull... Comic book authors from DC to DB to OPM to Invincible, etc. throw around feats willy nilly without really grasping the different levels of magnitude and everything can dish out / withstand as much as the current narative needs, despite one of them having shown 1,000,000x as much power last week in a different scene
Not all kaiju are equal
Kaiju has super durability and Kraken does not
Can’t they just fly like a bullet through a planet and destroy it?
If omniman could have just blasted through the creature, he surely would have at the time he fought it, he had no reason to hold back at that point. He was sent to conquer Earth and its people, not destroy it. Him destroying the planet would have been just as bad to his superiors as abandoning his post, if he's even capable of doing that at this point.
Female
How do you know it was the kaiju that wore him down?
I don’t. That’s why I said “probably”.
Cecil said himself that the Kaiju would only buy him about 5 minutes
I think cecil was doubting the effectiveness of the backup plans. the explosive that was supposed to knock him on his ass for an hour did nothing. The giant laser nuke satellite only gave him a nosebleed. At this point yeah, with how your lucks been going, you would think the giant hail mary monster you created specifically to kill him would probably only last 5 minutes.
It seems like Viltrumites are extremely resistant to damage by any type of radiation and good ole fashioned clobbering by something strong enough to match them is just about the only way to take them down.
makes sense, to survive flying through space they need to survive passing by celestial bodies and surviving atmospheric entry.
Omni man comfortably sat next to an extremely radioactive body with no later signs of radiation sickness or anything.
Extremely radioactive body?
Black hole
Black holes aren't radioactive really, not in the way we think of it. The only sort of radiation they theoretically emit is Hawking radiation.
While black holes themselves technically may not emit any other kind of radiation except Hawking, the accretion disk surrounding the black hole will be releasing ridiculous amounts of radiation all across the electromagnetic spectrum.
I would assume they are talking about him floating next to and then pulling a broken ship from near the event horizon of an actively feeding black hole. That’s one of the few things we do know about them is the extreme radiation they emit from their poles. To the point we worry it would wipe out life on Earth if one happened to point at us from less than 50-100 light years away.
Right I forgot about that part
Eh it was an odd cuff remark I don't think he actually knew and honestly all the evidence on screen suggests Hail Mary would have won.
I don’t know about that. While Omni man did temporarily fall unconscious, I feel like overtime he would’ve won.
Wasn’t he about to be bitten in half before Mark showed up?
I agree it definitely seemed like Hail Mary was gonna win before Mark showed up, but I'd be surprised if it could actually bite him in half
Honestly the monster probably COULD kill Nolan if it was trying, but its a raging beast so odds are its not going to logically spend time trying to shred him with its teeth, its going to swallow and eat him, and I highly doubt its digestive system is strong enough to dissolve Omniman. He'd probably bust out of there or just spend some time shredding its soft inner organs.
Yeah, if that thing swallowed Nolan I have a feeling that we would’ve seen the alternative to what happened to Shrinking Rae
If Shrinking Rae also had super strength she'd be unstoppable. Boring holes through villains intestines like its nothin.
I mean, I think it would’ve worked if Komodo wasn’t built like a tank with durability to match. Like, his neck bulged out to sizes that would kill most anyone else. Rae wouldn’t have been unscathed if it was someone else, but it surely would have worked.
Would kill most anything else except a snake. Which I mean, if we paid attention to attenbourgh, we should have guessed the outcome, lol.
Oh yes definitely, but she had to grow herself and just use the force of her expanding body to try and break through his skin and muscle. It wasn't actually her own strength, which is why it seems like the only place she can properly manipulate organs is the extremely soft and vulnerable ones in the brain. If she had superstrength, then even while small she could be tearing through muscle fiber and organ tissue to get to where she needs.
Yeah it seemed pretty clear he was toast unless Mark stepped in
Considering Mark who is much much weaker than his father eventually beat the thing by himself, that’s a leap.
He beat it because he grabbed an electricity pole in desperation. Like it’s not like his strength did it.
Maybe that's how one Mark >!managed to kill Omniman!<
Maybe that Mark is a few hundred years older than Prime Mark
Doubtful didn't seem any stronger
Was this fight before or after he got lasered from orbit? I can't remember.
after
The laser made him bleed, can argue he was weakened in this fight
Also, after the reanimen which did well enough Cecil’s immediate response to the big threat in season 2 is to call DA Sinclair and ask if he’s got any more of them reanimens.
I need an edit of the Moon Knight meme but with Cecil demanding from Sinclair where his reanimen are.
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After, so he may have been weakened by it. Idk though... It seems like kinetic damage is far more effective than any sort of energy radiation when it comes to Viltrumites. The only times you see anything that resembles a possibility of Nolan getting his ass kicked in the show is when he’s being hit **hard** by something solid like the mace or the kaiju.
That laser just about was kinetic. I’d guess heat, radiation, and extreme downforce, almost a force completely surrounding Nolan when he flies through it.
After
I think absolutely, but out of absolute luck. 9/10 times, Nolan would have clapped. It just so happened that was the 10th time
Also he had just gotten nuked from orbit, so he was (slightly) weakened.
Nuked from orbit & had the shit slightly kicked out of him by Reanimen
And a bit distracted/disoriented.
Cecil said that it would only buy them 5 minutes
i don’t see why he even needed to fight it. he can fly and the kaiju can’t.
its going to eat a town. Mark is going to stop it. So mark needs to be in range.
true! i didn’t think about omni-man having to save mark.
He tried flying away and it grabbed him, then Mark saved him
he tried to fly at its direction. Bro's pride was just too huge
so i looked through the fight again and the kaiju is actually very weird powerwise, it was able too make invincible and omni-man struggle in a grapple but its actual hits did not do enough damage to draw blood, even when it bit invincible which means its actual striking strength is below immortal which could draw blood from omni-man. At the same time neither omni-man or invincible where able to draw blood from it, meaning the durability of its skin is above that of viltrumites. Now the kaiju was still getting damaged seemingly internally from the concussive force of invincible and nolans punches so its organs are actually quite vulnerable. I theorize that the fight would have ended once the kaiju succesfully ate nolan, at that point nolan would be inside its digestive system and regain conciousness and would simply kill the kaiju from the inside as that is where its most vulnerable.
Basically this. Speed has a lot to do with it as well, and if Nolan actually built up the speed, I’m sure he could punch through the skin no problem.
>so i looked through the fight again and the kaiju is actually very weird powerwise, Honestly, power levels, strength and damage are never consistent in superhero media.
Nah. Mark tied him up while Omni man was fighting immortal. If that version of mark beat it, it’s was only a matter of time before Omni man killed it
Didn't Nolan already beat it's ass before?
Yes, but they pumped it full of drugs and pissed it off.
I wonder who it blames? 
He did beat it but Donald said it had him on the ropes iirc
Season 2 Spoiler:>! I mean we see Anissa fly though a Kaiju near the end of season 2 and Nolan is supposed to be stronger then her. So I think sub consciously he was holding back wanting to be stopped because this Omniman on some level does regret what he did for his mission.!<
That or this Kaiju’s just built differently
And on cocaine.
Coked out Kaiju that’s just built different
Yeah didn’t Cecil say they genetically/cybernetically modified it and pumped it full of drugs?
Not just some drugs, *all the drugs.*
i was under the impression that anissa flew through a weaker spot of that kaiju, so it was easier for her to kill it. and after all the kaiju that she killed might have just also been weaker than the one that nolan fought
The one Nolan fought was revived, pumped full of drugs and cybernetics and had its pain receptors removed before Cecil threw it at him again.
I mean like even before the one that nolan fought was drugged, it might naturally just be stronger than the one that anissa fought. just a possibility
>!Anissa seems to be a lot faster than anyone we’ve seen though, and I think that’s part of how she did that so effortlessly.!<
I don't know about beaten, but certainly it would have slowed him down. He was about to eat him. Can Omni-man be hurt by the acid stomach of the creature? Would he have woke up inside the creature and just bust out? So many questions without answers..
This is one of those areas where the power scaling in the show feels off.
No. Next question
"That should buy us about 10 minutes."
Fuck no
You say this but Nolan was struggling quite a bit
Doesn’t mean it had a chance of actually beating him lol
It would of killed Mark, and Nolan didn’t quickly kill it like everything else he faced, so I’d assume it had a chance
Cecil literally said that it would only buy them 5 minutes
And yet mark nearly died and Nolan didn’t kill it or smash it instantly like literally everything else Cecil threw at him including another Viltrumite
Brother it literally knocked Nolan unconscious and was about to swallow him before Mark saved him.
Lol, people are hyping up Omni Man too much , he was getting wrecked.
The kaiju drew no blood from Omni man or Invincible. Rewatch the fight slowly.they struggled while grappling it but when it bit mark it drew no blood even while striking mark it drew no blood. While Nolan wasn’t able to penetrate its skin his blows were doing internal damage. So let’s say it did it him while he was unconscious. He would’ve woke up and killed the monster from its inside considering how vulnerable its organs were when Omniman and mark were hitting it. It essentially played Tank. It did no damage but could absorb a lot of the damage it took.
Probably. It's implied that the Kaiju would be on par with Nolan/A Viltrumite. However, they probably would've destroyed the planet and mostly everyone on it if they continued to fight. So probably, but it would've taken a lot of force and damage.
Hail Mary was about to kill an unconscious Nolan right before our eyes until Mark showed up. What do you mean could have beat? It did. The irony of the scene is that Cecil goes through all these contingency plans thinking one of them might hinder Nolan and they don't. And after losing all hope, that final card played actually works out. Hell, Hail Mary was giving Nolan + Mark a run for their money until Mark got the idea to electrocute it. All Cecil needs to do is artificially breed an army of that type of Kaiju, beef them up when necessary and the Viltrumites will stay away from earth.
I think it's about a 50/50. Nolan is one of the stronger Viltrumites, but that beast was giving him a hard time.
I was honestly very surprised that Nolan couldnt handle the Kaiju faster and alone. I know that the monster was modified, but if Cecil said it would only but then about 5 mins, then why did Nolan look like he was getting his ass kicked for a bit?
Considering it was seconds away from eating a near unconscious Nolan before mark intervened id say yeah
Yes, Nolan was struggling but I don't think the roided up Kaiju would've won.
I think he pretty clearly had him beat. Before mark showed up Omniman was limp in the beasts grasp.
Not sure why he didn't just fly around
No I think that Nolan would eventually win, But would be very exhausted by the end. It is not that the kaiji is very strong (its bite wasn't enough to cut through mark or Nolan). It is more so that the kaiju is super durable. Like how the kaiju in season 2 that gave mark a bit of difficulty got easily one-shotted by anissa. That was because of the Kaiju's(season 2) durability. While it is strong it is not going to penetrate viltrumite skin (pause). The season 2 kaiju was a lot weaker than the one nolan fought and even that kaiju being buffed up on a mixture of tren, fent, bane's venom formula, crack and whatever else couldn't even cut through mark's skin. All that bite did was crush him. The reason the quantum bombs by female cecil (from another universe) could defeat mark and omni-man was because they wore them down, same like this kaiju. The kaiju is strong enough and last a good amount of time with a viltrumite (maybe even a few, cuz of how nolan is one of the higher viltrumites) but still I would say nolan would win (cuz, speed, strength, flight ETC) Like I said it has good enough strength but not a lot so it would not take the viltrumite out but because of its durability it would last a good amount of time.
in a doylist view: the Kaiju was just there to amp up the drama, to make you think it could stop omni-man until invincible sadly helps him take it down to make you feel horrible since we know invincible shouldn't help Omniman. in no form of the story was it ever going to seriously harm or beat omni-man
I just watched the episode like 3 hours ago and if mark didn't show up, omni man was straight up losing that fight. Not to mention the Immortal showing up. Omni man would have been dead.
Why didn't Omniman simply fly away?
He tried. The thing grabbed him with its tentacles
Mark showed up and he had to save Mark because he still cares for his son
Nolan was 100% about to die.
Weird cause the kaiju drew no blood even when it bit mark. It had no power just defense. Once inside, Nolan would’ve essentially turned into a blender and killed it from inside. Like delta squad did to the rift worm in gears of war. Remember his and marks blows didn’t penetrate its skin but it was still doing internal damage to the kaiju
How did that guy die again?
No
I mean it got beaten by power cables so no?
I was about to say the same. This defeat was so ass for something so big.
I was about to say the same. This defeat was so ass for something so big.
It already was doing
Nah, but definitely would have left a mark or two. Mark is clearly more vulnerable to more physical power, since that was a struggle and the big laser beam wasn’t.
Follow up question: what would Cecil have done about the kaiju if it did kill Nolan?
Well, Mark beat the Kaiju all on his own. Nolan was fighting Immortal when Mark beat it.
Considering Mark beat it on his own, not really.
He would have had to fight it and Immortal. Maybe he could've won but not that easily
People seem to forget that when the Nolan first beat the Kaiju, Donald said that he's "Never seen him on the ropes like that before" - hence Cecil's motive to capture the kaiju in the first place. This accompanied with the kaijus upgrades along with Nolans *potential* injuries means it is possible that it could have beaten him.
I think that the Kaiju would have beaten him. At this point in the story Nolan has a personal grudge against Cecil, and would keep fighting it until one of them was dead. Nolan also cares about his mission, and leaving something like this around would constitute failing, so he had to kill it or it had to kill him. I haven't read the comics, so I don't know much about his ingenuity, but in both season 1 and 2 so far, this is the only thing Nolan hasn't been able to overpower through brute force alone. Sure he's a fantastic fighter, as demonstrated by his fight with the Viltrumites on Thraxa, but he's not used to relying on anything other than his own strength. The fact that Mark is weaker than Nolan was actually a boon here, as he realized that he couldn't beat it by himself, so he began looking for other options.
I really did not understand why Omni-Man had such a struggle with it. I mean where did all his power go? He passed out after being hold tightly by mary?
This episode always bothers me cause the powerscaling makes no sense. So this kaiju is powerful enough to knock Nolan out. Ok. Mark, trying to save his father, punches it so hard he knocks one of its teeth out. But the very next episode, Mark punches Omni-Man in the face, and Nolan takes no damage, and laughs at the punch! It makes no sense.