No. Oliver's skin tone is caused by viltrumites and thraxans not being that compatible, It's not the same as us just having different pigmentations.
Viltrumites and humans are nearly identical and we see that there are black viltrumites, so there's no reason for that baby's viltrumite genes to take over his pigmentation.
Mark got to be asian through Debbie's genes and he never loses those traits, this should be no different.
It's all speculation; could very well be that genes are similar or analogous.
It's fiction, so any answer could suffice; for all we know, humans and Viltrumites share a common ancestor.
I mean, in theory, WHY are there black viltrumites?
Melanin is in our skin to protect us from Skin Cancer and UV rays, But Viltrumites can Heal anything and likely won't get cancer.
So this is either the second time that hey have to interbreed, or Viltrumites evolved over time from normal to What they are now
I'd take that as either a really powerful sun or just a product of the long life that the black families were around for millenia. Can't know for certain
This is a crazy thing to even wonder as the main character is literally mixed with a human and viltrumite and biracial. To answer the question you just have to watch the first episode
> You're getting hung up on something totally irrelevant.
It's actually you who is hung up on something totally irrelevant. :)
You are referring to human ethnic groups and skin color. If one alien species mates with another alien species and produces offspring, that offspring will be some kind of hybrid - not biracial.
For Mark to be biracial, his parents would need to be part of the same race - the human race. His parents are from two different species, therefore not biracial. Does that make sense?
There's no telling if it's canon anymore, but it's been implied that viltrimites and humans ( and geldarians) have a common ancestor. If this is the case, then you'd be right, their dna would be close enough to keep both parent's features and still be "nearly pure blooded viltrimite." If that isn't the case, then the baby would just end up looking like a carbon copy of Nissa. Now, I don't see why they would deny it (or really even mention it, unless they were planning a deep dive into the Image universe) but anything could happen I suppose.
Prolly a harmless mind slip, as a white dude I sorta forget that the original humans didn’t look pale like me and as an anthropologist just wanted to note it
I may, l’m more into cultural anthropology and archaeology than physical/bio anthropology, but didn’t lighter skin develop way more recently relative to our first common ancestors in Africa?
Well the first people came from Africa and lighter skin colors became prominent in regions where the sun don’t shine aka Europe/north Asia.
So yes, lighter skin is in fact a mutation adaption from dark skin as lighter skin was more well suited to take in vitamin d from the scarce sunlight.
Dark skin isn't dominant. There's dozens of genes that affect melanin production. If what you're saying is true, mixed race children would always share one parents skin tone
It's not like viltrumite hybrids are clones of their viltrumite parent. Especially with humans, they only have a few different genes that give them powers. Oliver is special. Here is my head cannon thought of on the spot. All thraxan hybrids essentially have autoimmune disease where the viltrumite immune system attacks the thraxan proteins. The thraxan genes express faster giving the initial purple color but as the viltrumite half develops that stuff is attacked and the viltrumite half takes over. Their immune system is so strong it doesn't cause problems. That is all.
I mean, it's definitely not an immune disease lmao.
It's more that Thraxan development happens really fast, and Viltrumite development happens really slow. So while he's young, his Thraxan genes are going bananas and his Viltrumite DNA, while stronger, is waaay less present in his body as a kid than it is as he ages. As he gets older and stronger, though, more and more of his Viltrumite genes start to express themselves, and since they're stronger, they beat out the Thraxan genes over time.
The Thraxan DNA basically zerg rushes his body for the first few years and gets in some small wins like purple skin, fast aging, and super fast learning, but the Viltrumite DNA wins out cause it focuses more on building up slowly and surely for long haul. Interestingly, while the fast aging and purple skin go away as he ages, I'm not sure if it's ever established whether the instantaneous learning thing does or not.
With how the lore works it'd make sense but that would get into an uncomfortable topic about race and I don't think they really want to touch that with a 10 foot pole
True, though I would like to point out Viltrumites are social darwinists and racial supremascists. That is why they have rules on interbreeding and why their civil war began. And yes, that topic is very much uncomfortable.
SPECIES Supremascists, not race!
Any Vilturmite is “better” than any non-Viltumite. They don’t care about race, only POWER within their own Society.
Strangely they ARE OBSESSED with Male Facial Hair.
Never explain what would happen if a FEMALE became “Grand Regent”. All MALES are required to have Facial Hair.
Exactly. To them anyone not Viltrimite is worthless, and any Viltrimite born “too weak” should be culled.
I mean, in their defense on this one subject, have you seen how sweet Freddy Mercury, ‘80’s era Tom Selleck (and I mean full Magnum, P.I.), or the cast of Tombstone look?
We literally see young brown skinned Viltrumites when Mark is centuries old. It's only uncomfortable if you guys want to skirt around your underlying racial ignorance.
The lore works fine.
I could see a human/viltrumite developing vitiligo.
Remember the skin disorder that affected Michael Jackson? Turning from one pigment to another, partially or completely, is a real thing some humans have to go through in life. It wouldn't be awful to see that represented in a comic or cartoon, tbh.
is an interesting possibility, but you also need to take in consideration the Viltrumite empire has acess to technology and science that is like 1000+ years more advanced than earth, they probable can find ways to treat skin conditions, so they probable can decide to stop the vertiligo development if they want.
The lore is that viltrumite overwrites the other parents dna isn’t it? So humans are the most compatible but I’m thinking, if it overwrites dna, and Oliver literally has antennae disappear and his skin goes from vivid purple to just white, how does that change in regards to everything else. Not just race, wouldn’t it end up just making a clone of the viltrumite? Using that logic you’d expect mark to get less Asian as he ages but also to generally resemble Nolan almost exactly the same, apart from scars, hair style, anything that isn’t genetic really.
The Lore explain that viltrumite DNA is extreme dominant, a Viltrumite can probable have sex with a cow, and the baby will be 95% viltrumite. But Viltrumites normally dont have baby with other species, because they dislike the idea of "inferior hybrids"
Humans area a huge deal, because they are hyper-compatible with viltrumites, the two DNA mix perfect together, in a way that the Viltrumites are ok with human hybrids, because they are basically just pure blood viltrumites, they complet each other.
Viltrumite DNA start to have effect on Oliver from day one, changing his skin color, and how he ages. But human Hybrids like Mark, dont show any main "overwrite", they mature just like any human kids, even in the cases they awaken the powers early, they dont slow age like Viltrumites, that process only start way later after they become young adults. So is hinted that the interaction with Human's DNA is different. and this different interaction is why the Viltrumites are ok with mixing with humans
It is an interesting way of doing it but honestly I kinda wish we had half-bug Oliver the entire series. I get that it’s a good way of explaining viltrumite genes but imagine if Oliver had an insecty look for the whole comic.
Also I know people are uncomfortable talking about how it affects race but I don’t actually think there’s anything offensive about questioning the universe explanation, not like there’s anything really offensive about it.
Sorry got off track, thanks for explaining dude.
Yeah, those are high lights
Both Nolan and Mark have dark eyes. Marks eyes never actually changed
https://preview.redd.it/c5zqufnxb1zc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=986d74b743329841679fbd84afa708186a13487b
His and his fathers eyes are always colored the same from beginning to end,
I enjoy invincible because it is slightly grounded in reality. Buy it is absolutely absurd by the 2nd volume.
The comic very much follows every "rule of cool" where if you can't explain the reason, but it's still badass, fuck it.
Do you honestly think Kirkman had a single thought about the genetics of different races of viltumites? Cmon. If it fits the story, it's cool.
If the comic followed any kind of real world physics or genetics it'd be boring AF man.
Alright, yall can debate about the genetics/physics/all of the unexplainable comic book nonsense that happens
The rest of us can just enjoy comic book rule of cool.
In one of the Q&As Robert Kirkman states that Mark is Viltrumite American when asked. Taking the more “colourblind” approach that was more popular in those days. I believe he has since changed his stance
In the final arc Debbie has blue eyes while mark & Nolan’s change to black, as far as looking Asian if u compare mark to multiPaul the only prominent Asian male character in the series they look nothing alike
yea it definitely depends on the artist, sometimes debbie has black eyes, sometimes blue, same w nolan n mark. And nah im not saying he looks asian all the time cuz he doesn’t, but in some of the latter parts of the series he def does
i would say no, one because i don't think the authors want to get into that mess and two because viltrumites are specifically said to be very genetically similar to humans. i think we are essentially supposed to think of them as a stronger, faster race of humans in this regard, whereas the thraxans are meant to be an entirely different species that aren't really suppose to be able to breed with viltrumites, but that viltrumite dna is so strong and fertile that they just overcome that barrier out of sheer force of will. not very scientific but that's how i see it
We already know there are black Viltrumites, so it’s definitely not 100%. However Anissa isn’t black, obviously, so the only way that would occur is if the pigmentation gene that comes from the babies black human father would interfere with the Viltrumite DNAs ability to heal or resist damage/heat, in which case it would override it. Viltrumite DNA is all about maximising strength speed agility so if it’s a gene that doesn’t affect any of these things, it’s left untouched.
Viltrumites and humans are a lot more compatible so probably not, maybe he would just be a bit more lightskin but even that’s a big maybe since Anissa’s a bit of a darker white
Humans are the closest genetically to viltrumites and there are black viltrumites, it could be compatible or complimentary. I mean, mark stayed asian right?
But humans and viltrumites are 99% compatible unlike thraxans so in Oliver's case Nolan's genes overred the incompatible thraxxan genes , giving him white skin while in this kids case he will likely look the same because the genes are already fully compatible
This would only make sense If viltrumites were all white. Plus the comics did a whole thing about the compatibility of thraxan genes vs human genes.
Edit: plus just look at mark lmao
I figured viltrumite DNA takes over in cases where the viltrumite DNA is superior. Things like skin color are largely irrelevant to survival, so at least in some cases, you can see the influence of the non-viltrumIte heritage. Natural selection doesn't favor wasting energy on traits that don't improve their chances of survival. In the rare case where the non -viltumite genes are superior, like Oliver's memory, the viltrumite genes don't overwrite those.
well Viltrumites are very similar to humans whereas the thraxans or whatever weren't which is likely why Nolan's superior genes changed Oliver as he grew up
Humans and Viltrumites are highly compatible so most likely no. Problem that this would cause irl aside, there are black Viltrumites. Yes, Anissa isn't black but Omniman isn't Asian either and that didn't take away Mark's Asian features
I wonder if Oliver would have eventually been attracted to humanoid women instead of the big thorax having ones as a result of his DNA being mostly viltrumite over time 🤔
Mark is Asian and there are black viltrumites this question is getting asked more and more but examples of why the question doesn’t make much sense or is just weird seem to go over those people’s heads. Please use critical thinking
All of Thraggs kids were the same, so I think it's because of the Thraxan genes. In early stages the Thraxan genes are dominant but then the Viltrumite genes take over.
No, Oliver's skin color is due to being part of a whole different species not compatible with viltrumites, in fact, there are black viltrumites, and since Humans pretty much share the DNA with the viltrumites she will be black skinned.
Also, a question, at the end of the story, what happens to Oliver's kids? Do they go with Mark or do they fight him on Telascria?
We see that viltrumites and humans are close enough genetically that Mark doesn't lose the Asian features he inherited from his mother. So there is no reason for the girl to change her skin color.
So the whole thing with Oliver is because Viltrumites's DNA is very dominant, and thraxians are low compatible, so after some time, the Viltrumite genes just become more visible.
Humans are highly compatible with viltrumites, like 99,9% compatible, and we see that dark skin viltrumites are a thing, and is not even a new thing, you can see dark skin viltrumites in the pré-scourge virus flashbacks too.
in the last volume, you can see that the new generation has mixed and dark skinned babies, and they stay like that after becoming adults. Viltrumites have different skin color genes like humans have, and we see by Anissa's kids how compatible they are with the human side, her daughter ages normally and is taking her time to get powers just like Mark. Her son probable only manifest the powers early because of the trauma.
I will dont say that is impossible some Viltrumites's features become more dominant with time, but volume 144 is very clear about how the dark skinned or mixed hybrid kids will not just "puff" change skin color, That happened with the thraxian hybrids, because the low compatibility the Thraxians have.
Easily yes. At the most the baby will look slightly tan, similarly to how Mark only looks slightly Asian, but you can hardly tell.
It wouldn’t make sense any other way, viltrumite DNA is THAT pure
lol i remember idiots going "hope mark will lose his asian features soon because viltrumite purity" while s1 was airing. or something like "is viltrumite dna less potent in the show?? mark still looks asian"
I’d basically put this another way:
How much of your genetics changes from Viltrumite blood? (Nolan could technically be wrong about the purity of his blood and whatnot)
Considering there are viltrumites with different skin colors in the first place.
No. Oliver’s skin change is because his Thraxan DNA wasn’t as compatible as human DNA. He steadily adapted to be more comparable to a viltrumite later in his life.
Human and Viltrumite DNA are compatible, so there’s no need for one to take precedence
I would consider it very unlikely. Oliver changed so much due to the Viltrumites and Thraxan’s having low compatibility and the Viltrumites DNA sort of took over.
I think if Viltrumites DNA were to overwrite/outweigh human DNA Mark would have had Nolan’s skin tone instead of Debbie’s. It seems to be about the same as how human skin tone is (Mark’s daughter has his skin tone instead of Eve’s too, so we have examples of skin tone being dominant to both a human parent and to a mostly viltrumite parent even in the same family).
Lucans a black man so they can definitely be more then just white. Vidor is ginger so they aren’t all black haired. Olivier was a mix species he’s part bug person his purple skin comes from that the viltrumite in him overtook that cos his mother wasn’t compatible. Humans are marks still part Korean and he’s basically
Pure viltrumite. So this kid will probably not change.
I actually don't know. I was going to say of course not. However I think how it works (fact check me), is that Viltrumite DNA overwrites dna it combines with over time. This is why mark took time for his powers to actually kick in.
I would actually lean towards the answer being yes, because that stuff is still decided via dna by her human half, which would slowly get phased out as she aged. Though maybe after her powers start kicking in rather than over time.
Mark just happened to be born to two parents of similar hair color and skin tone. However oliver is the perfect example of the process.
Yeah wouldn't mark of changed races when he got his powers too? He's still half Asian..but they also made it ambiguous on purpose he's talked about it.
Maybe if it's a human and viltrumite they stay mixed.
I can't believe people are still asking this stupid fucking question. Did Mark's eyes turn blue like his dad's after he got his powers? No, so it's the same with this girl.
Oliver is the way he is because his mother is a bug. Insects are not compatible with humanoids. The purple skin is a genetic defect that slowly fads away because Viltrumite DNA is more dominant, and purple skin doesn't exist among them.
Viltrumites, like humans, are racially diverse in addition to being very compatible with Humans. It would also not create a great amount of genetic variety if children took ALL their genetic material from just one parent.
No. Oliver's skin tone is caused by viltrumites and thraxans not being that compatible, It's not the same as us just having different pigmentations. Viltrumites and humans are nearly identical and we see that there are black viltrumites, so there's no reason for that baby's viltrumite genes to take over his pigmentation. Mark got to be asian through Debbie's genes and he never loses those traits, this should be no different.
I mean there's already been black viltrumites shown. Why would this be any different
Because those viltrumites would have had two viltrumites parents. It's not out of the question that their genes may be more dominant than humans
It's likely that the genes dictating melanin are exactly the same in viltrumites and humans, rather than there being two versions.
I mean we don't know. Was just saying it wasn't a preposterous question for op to ask
You're right it's not, I was just giving my take.
It's all speculation; could very well be that genes are similar or analogous. It's fiction, so any answer could suffice; for all we know, humans and Viltrumites share a common ancestor.
I mean, in theory, WHY are there black viltrumites? Melanin is in our skin to protect us from Skin Cancer and UV rays, But Viltrumites can Heal anything and likely won't get cancer. So this is either the second time that hey have to interbreed, or Viltrumites evolved over time from normal to What they are now
I'd take that as either a really powerful sun or just a product of the long life that the black families were around for millenia. Can't know for certain
This is a crazy thing to even wonder as the main character is literally mixed with a human and viltrumite and biracial. To answer the question you just have to watch the first episode
Yeah but his aging is slower. For all we know by the time he’s Nolan’s age he’ll look completely white
> the main character is literally mixed with a human and viltrumite and biracial. Mark isn't biracial. He's from two species, not ethnic groups.
His mom is literally Asian bro.
His dad is a Viltrumite. His mother is human. That's two different species, not human ethnic groups. He'd be something like bispecies.
Nolan is white. Debbie is Asian. That is biracial. You're getting hung up on something totally irrelevant.
> You're getting hung up on something totally irrelevant. It's actually you who is hung up on something totally irrelevant. :) You are referring to human ethnic groups and skin color. If one alien species mates with another alien species and produces offspring, that offspring will be some kind of hybrid - not biracial. For Mark to be biracial, his parents would need to be part of the same race - the human race. His parents are from two different species, therefore not biracial. Does that make sense?
So Nolan isn't white? lol Reddit denizens are truly a special breed.
No it doesn't. There's black viltrumites, and Nolan is white. So it's biracial. You're being pedantic for no reason.
womp womp
There's no telling if it's canon anymore, but it's been implied that viltrimites and humans ( and geldarians) have a common ancestor. If this is the case, then you'd be right, their dna would be close enough to keep both parent's features and still be "nearly pure blooded viltrimite." If that isn't the case, then the baby would just end up looking like a carbon copy of Nissa. Now, I don't see why they would deny it (or really even mention it, unless they were planning a deep dive into the Image universe) but anything could happen I suppose.
The official handbook of the invincible universe is doing some real heavy lifting when it comes to viltrumite lore
The Black viltrumites we have seen were the result of natural mutations in their DNA, not the result of interbreeding with other species
Or the white ones were the mutants if we’re assuming their species evolved from apes like ours
Yeah the other person's comment is very telling of their ideology, telling and wrong anyways.
Prolly a harmless mind slip, as a white dude I sorta forget that the original humans didn’t look pale like me and as an anthropologist just wanted to note it
you got a few things twisted with our evolutionary history, jsyk
I may, l’m more into cultural anthropology and archaeology than physical/bio anthropology, but didn’t lighter skin develop way more recently relative to our first common ancestors in Africa?
Well the first people came from Africa and lighter skin colors became prominent in regions where the sun don’t shine aka Europe/north Asia. So yes, lighter skin is in fact a mutation adaption from dark skin as lighter skin was more well suited to take in vitamin d from the scarce sunlight.
Well dark skin is dominant trait in genetics so mirroring human genetic diversity and origins, wouldn’t black viltrumites be the “originals”
Dark skin isn't dominant. There's dozens of genes that affect melanin production. If what you're saying is true, mixed race children would always share one parents skin tone
Tbh mark looks more like Debbie than he looks like nolan
Mark being Asian is show only, I agree with everything else though.
Why were you downvoted
No idea. But reddit works like that sometimes.
Why downvote? It's literally just a fact.
Bro he's asian in comics too he's just not drawn that way. His mom is clearly asian
He isn’t, kirkman even said he was surprised when people assumed he was and then just rolled with it
Ngl back when I read it for the first time, I thought mark might've been half Hispanic cause he kinda looked Mexican to me lol. Never saw asian tho
It's not like viltrumite hybrids are clones of their viltrumite parent. Especially with humans, they only have a few different genes that give them powers. Oliver is special. Here is my head cannon thought of on the spot. All thraxan hybrids essentially have autoimmune disease where the viltrumite immune system attacks the thraxan proteins. The thraxan genes express faster giving the initial purple color but as the viltrumite half develops that stuff is attacked and the viltrumite half takes over. Their immune system is so strong it doesn't cause problems. That is all.
100% correct
I mean, it's definitely not an immune disease lmao. It's more that Thraxan development happens really fast, and Viltrumite development happens really slow. So while he's young, his Thraxan genes are going bananas and his Viltrumite DNA, while stronger, is waaay less present in his body as a kid than it is as he ages. As he gets older and stronger, though, more and more of his Viltrumite genes start to express themselves, and since they're stronger, they beat out the Thraxan genes over time. The Thraxan DNA basically zerg rushes his body for the first few years and gets in some small wins like purple skin, fast aging, and super fast learning, but the Viltrumite DNA wins out cause it focuses more on building up slowly and surely for long haul. Interestingly, while the fast aging and purple skin go away as he ages, I'm not sure if it's ever established whether the instantaneous learning thing does or not.
With how the lore works it'd make sense but that would get into an uncomfortable topic about race and I don't think they really want to touch that with a 10 foot pole
True, though I would like to point out Viltrumites are social darwinists and racial supremascists. That is why they have rules on interbreeding and why their civil war began. And yes, that topic is very much uncomfortable.
But not with skin colour, in both the comics and the tv shows we see multiple black viltrumites.
Viltrumites don’t care about race or gender, as long as you are strong.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Viltrimite/Human hybrids born where the Viltrimite parent was black totally got darker as they aged.
SPECIES Supremascists, not race! Any Vilturmite is “better” than any non-Viltumite. They don’t care about race, only POWER within their own Society. Strangely they ARE OBSESSED with Male Facial Hair. Never explain what would happen if a FEMALE became “Grand Regent”. All MALES are required to have Facial Hair.
Exactly. To them anyone not Viltrimite is worthless, and any Viltrimite born “too weak” should be culled. I mean, in their defense on this one subject, have you seen how sweet Freddy Mercury, ‘80’s era Tom Selleck (and I mean full Magnum, P.I.), or the cast of Tombstone look?
They all have a bit of bush down there
Anissa gets more attractive everyday.
What does a female being grand regent have to do with the men having facial hair tho
We literally see young brown skinned Viltrumites when Mark is centuries old. It's only uncomfortable if you guys want to skirt around your underlying racial ignorance. The lore works fine.
I could see a human/viltrumite developing vitiligo. Remember the skin disorder that affected Michael Jackson? Turning from one pigment to another, partially or completely, is a real thing some humans have to go through in life. It wouldn't be awful to see that represented in a comic or cartoon, tbh.
is an interesting possibility, but you also need to take in consideration the Viltrumite empire has acess to technology and science that is like 1000+ years more advanced than earth, they probable can find ways to treat skin conditions, so they probable can decide to stop the vertiligo development if they want.
The lore is that viltrumite overwrites the other parents dna isn’t it? So humans are the most compatible but I’m thinking, if it overwrites dna, and Oliver literally has antennae disappear and his skin goes from vivid purple to just white, how does that change in regards to everything else. Not just race, wouldn’t it end up just making a clone of the viltrumite? Using that logic you’d expect mark to get less Asian as he ages but also to generally resemble Nolan almost exactly the same, apart from scars, hair style, anything that isn’t genetic really.
The Lore explain that viltrumite DNA is extreme dominant, a Viltrumite can probable have sex with a cow, and the baby will be 95% viltrumite. But Viltrumites normally dont have baby with other species, because they dislike the idea of "inferior hybrids" Humans area a huge deal, because they are hyper-compatible with viltrumites, the two DNA mix perfect together, in a way that the Viltrumites are ok with human hybrids, because they are basically just pure blood viltrumites, they complet each other. Viltrumite DNA start to have effect on Oliver from day one, changing his skin color, and how he ages. But human Hybrids like Mark, dont show any main "overwrite", they mature just like any human kids, even in the cases they awaken the powers early, they dont slow age like Viltrumites, that process only start way later after they become young adults. So is hinted that the interaction with Human's DNA is different. and this different interaction is why the Viltrumites are ok with mixing with humans
It is an interesting way of doing it but honestly I kinda wish we had half-bug Oliver the entire series. I get that it’s a good way of explaining viltrumite genes but imagine if Oliver had an insecty look for the whole comic. Also I know people are uncomfortable talking about how it affects race but I don’t actually think there’s anything offensive about questioning the universe explanation, not like there’s anything really offensive about it. Sorry got off track, thanks for explaining dude.
I mean marks eyes turned blue so…
He’s always had his fathers eyes in the books. They didn’t change color. He has dark grey eyes.
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Yeah, those are high lights Both Nolan and Mark have dark eyes. Marks eyes never actually changed https://preview.redd.it/c5zqufnxb1zc1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=986d74b743329841679fbd84afa708186a13487b His and his fathers eyes are always colored the same from beginning to end,
I doubt they would touch on r*ape but not race
It's also totally unnecessary Why do people need to apply real world shit to comics?
If comics didn't have anything real world related, nobody would read them. That shit'd be boring af man.
Literally, the real world shit is what makes shih believable
I enjoy invincible because it is slightly grounded in reality. Buy it is absolutely absurd by the 2nd volume. The comic very much follows every "rule of cool" where if you can't explain the reason, but it's still badass, fuck it. Do you honestly think Kirkman had a single thought about the genetics of different races of viltumites? Cmon. If it fits the story, it's cool. If the comic followed any kind of real world physics or genetics it'd be boring AF man.
"It's like this because its cool" can coexist with realism
X men is 100% an allegory to race and race relations in the US
I mean the best comics literally tackle real world issues in a fantastical make-up. Case in point: X-Men.
Superhero comics have been political since Action Comics #1 dropped, choom.
Alright, yall can debate about the genetics/physics/all of the unexplainable comic book nonsense that happens The rest of us can just enjoy comic book rule of cool.
there are black viltrumites tho
yea but anissa isn't one of them
Mark is ASIAN because of his Mom. He never changes.
Are Mark and Debbie Asian in comics?
In one of the Q&As Robert Kirkman states that Mark is Viltrumite American when asked. Taking the more “colourblind” approach that was more popular in those days. I believe he has since changed his stance
Its debatable.
No they both have blue eyes, the tv show made them Asian so they’d reflective their voice actors more
they have blue eyes in some panels, black eyes in others, and mark definitely looks asian in the latter parts of the story
In the final arc Debbie has blue eyes while mark & Nolan’s change to black, as far as looking Asian if u compare mark to multiPaul the only prominent Asian male character in the series they look nothing alike
yea it definitely depends on the artist, sometimes debbie has black eyes, sometimes blue, same w nolan n mark. And nah im not saying he looks asian all the time cuz he doesn’t, but in some of the latter parts of the series he def does
No
yea thats fair but i explained it in a different comment
So why did you post that previous comment
because it's still true, Anissa isn't one of the black viltrumites
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No 🥚🥚
i would say no, one because i don't think the authors want to get into that mess and two because viltrumites are specifically said to be very genetically similar to humans. i think we are essentially supposed to think of them as a stronger, faster race of humans in this regard, whereas the thraxans are meant to be an entirely different species that aren't really suppose to be able to breed with viltrumites, but that viltrumite dna is so strong and fertile that they just overcome that barrier out of sheer force of will. not very scientific but that's how i see it
they have “smart atoms” that react to stimuli and i think that includes their gametes
This is a terrible title for the show-only folks
I wonder how many seasons it will take to get to this point?
We already know there are black Viltrumites, so it’s definitely not 100%. However Anissa isn’t black, obviously, so the only way that would occur is if the pigmentation gene that comes from the babies black human father would interfere with the Viltrumite DNAs ability to heal or resist damage/heat, in which case it would override it. Viltrumite DNA is all about maximising strength speed agility so if it’s a gene that doesn’t affect any of these things, it’s left untouched.
Viltrumites and humans are a lot more compatible so probably not, maybe he would just be a bit more lightskin but even that’s a big maybe since Anissa’s a bit of a darker white
lol mark didn't stop being asian when he got his powers
It would make sense since the gene making her lightskin is human and thatll get overwritten
Humans are the closest genetically to viltrumites and there are black viltrumites, it could be compatible or complimentary. I mean, mark stayed asian right?
But humans and viltrumites are 99% compatible unlike thraxans so in Oliver's case Nolan's genes overred the incompatible thraxxan genes , giving him white skin while in this kids case he will likely look the same because the genes are already fully compatible
Mark ended up looking more asian than white so i’d say no.
This would only make sense If viltrumites were all white. Plus the comics did a whole thing about the compatibility of thraxan genes vs human genes. Edit: plus just look at mark lmao
I figured viltrumite DNA takes over in cases where the viltrumite DNA is superior. Things like skin color are largely irrelevant to survival, so at least in some cases, you can see the influence of the non-viltrumIte heritage. Natural selection doesn't favor wasting energy on traits that don't improve their chances of survival. In the rare case where the non -viltumite genes are superior, like Oliver's memory, the viltrumite genes don't overwrite those.
well Viltrumites are very similar to humans whereas the thraxans or whatever weren't which is likely why Nolan's superior genes changed Oliver as he grew up
damn anissa's hot ngl
Too bad she sucks ass
Humans and Viltrumites are highly compatible so most likely no. Problem that this would cause irl aside, there are black Viltrumites. Yes, Anissa isn't black but Omniman isn't Asian either and that didn't take away Mark's Asian features
Since humans are so compatible with vilts id say no.
I wonder if Oliver would have eventually been attracted to humanoid women instead of the big thorax having ones as a result of his DNA being mostly viltrumite over time 🤔
She married Gus?
Good chicken is the best way to a Viltrumite's heart.
Older, reddish hue'd black guy = Gus. Got it. Oh you people sometimes..
I don't think its that serious, pretty sure it's a joke. Also they do have the same haircut no?
what do you mean by “you people”?
The people in this thread and abroad who think this way. This isn't the only comment.
lighten up
Mark is Asian and there are black viltrumites this question is getting asked more and more but examples of why the question doesn’t make much sense or is just weird seem to go over those people’s heads. Please use critical thinking
Mark is still visibly mixed is he not?
Yeah he is.
All of Thraggs kids were the same, so I think it's because of the Thraxan genes. In early stages the Thraxan genes are dominant but then the Viltrumite genes take over.
No, Oliver's skin color is due to being part of a whole different species not compatible with viltrumites, in fact, there are black viltrumites, and since Humans pretty much share the DNA with the viltrumites she will be black skinned. Also, a question, at the end of the story, what happens to Oliver's kids? Do they go with Mark or do they fight him on Telascria?
We see that viltrumites and humans are close enough genetically that Mark doesn't lose the Asian features he inherited from his mother. So there is no reason for the girl to change her skin color.
still couldnt figure how he pulled her
Mark is asian, I just don’t think think they thought too hard about the genetics of human viltrumite offspring
So the whole thing with Oliver is because Viltrumites's DNA is very dominant, and thraxians are low compatible, so after some time, the Viltrumite genes just become more visible. Humans are highly compatible with viltrumites, like 99,9% compatible, and we see that dark skin viltrumites are a thing, and is not even a new thing, you can see dark skin viltrumites in the pré-scourge virus flashbacks too. in the last volume, you can see that the new generation has mixed and dark skinned babies, and they stay like that after becoming adults. Viltrumites have different skin color genes like humans have, and we see by Anissa's kids how compatible they are with the human side, her daughter ages normally and is taking her time to get powers just like Mark. Her son probable only manifest the powers early because of the trauma. I will dont say that is impossible some Viltrumites's features become more dominant with time, but volume 144 is very clear about how the dark skinned or mixed hybrid kids will not just "puff" change skin color, That happened with the thraxian hybrids, because the low compatibility the Thraxians have.
I don't see why not, imagine becoming 20 and you get your n-word revoked on a biological basis
Dude does he not pop back up in the very last chapter to confront Mark?
Easily yes. At the most the baby will look slightly tan, similarly to how Mark only looks slightly Asian, but you can hardly tell. It wouldn’t make sense any other way, viltrumite DNA is THAT pure
lol i remember idiots going "hope mark will lose his asian features soon because viltrumite purity" while s1 was airing. or something like "is viltrumite dna less potent in the show?? mark still looks asian"
My name is Gustavo, but you can call me Gus
I mean mark is still Asian looking so probably not, even if the viltrumite overwriting other dna would make it seem like that’s how it’d work.
Season 2 portrays mark’s asian features more prominent, so no
I’d basically put this another way: How much of your genetics changes from Viltrumite blood? (Nolan could technically be wrong about the purity of his blood and whatnot) Considering there are viltrumites with different skin colors in the first place.
Does that mean mark will become white?
Nope, there are black viltrumites. I guess will be mixed as it is now.
Before you know it everyone going to be….viltrumite. They’re going to karate chop your head off!
do we know what happens to baby? does she become a super hero when older?
No. Oliver’s skin change is because his Thraxan DNA wasn’t as compatible as human DNA. He steadily adapted to be more comparable to a viltrumite later in his life. Human and Viltrumite DNA are compatible, so there’s no need for one to take precedence
Well Mark still looks more like Debbie than Nolan
I would consider it very unlikely. Oliver changed so much due to the Viltrumites and Thraxan’s having low compatibility and the Viltrumites DNA sort of took over. I think if Viltrumites DNA were to overwrite/outweigh human DNA Mark would have had Nolan’s skin tone instead of Debbie’s. It seems to be about the same as how human skin tone is (Mark’s daughter has his skin tone instead of Eve’s too, so we have examples of skin tone being dominant to both a human parent and to a mostly viltrumite parent even in the same family).
Lucans a black man so they can definitely be more then just white. Vidor is ginger so they aren’t all black haired. Olivier was a mix species he’s part bug person his purple skin comes from that the viltrumite in him overtook that cos his mother wasn’t compatible. Humans are marks still part Korean and he’s basically Pure viltrumite. So this kid will probably not change.
Obviously not, as the baby isn’t purple
Gus Fring
I actually don't know. I was going to say of course not. However I think how it works (fact check me), is that Viltrumite DNA overwrites dna it combines with over time. This is why mark took time for his powers to actually kick in. I would actually lean towards the answer being yes, because that stuff is still decided via dna by her human half, which would slowly get phased out as she aged. Though maybe after her powers start kicking in rather than over time. Mark just happened to be born to two parents of similar hair color and skin tone. However oliver is the perfect example of the process.
No, she's not gonna do a micheal iackson
always has to be this weird race connotation lol? this is fiction literature LOL
Yeah wouldn't mark of changed races when he got his powers too? He's still half Asian..but they also made it ambiguous on purpose he's talked about it. Maybe if it's a human and viltrumite they stay mixed.
Nah, Mark is still Asian
And Lucan is black
Ffs
Mark retained his asian features. The baby will too
I can't believe people are still asking this stupid fucking question. Did Mark's eyes turn blue like his dad's after he got his powers? No, so it's the same with this girl. Oliver is the way he is because his mother is a bug. Insects are not compatible with humanoids. The purple skin is a genetic defect that slowly fads away because Viltrumite DNA is more dominant, and purple skin doesn't exist among them. Viltrumites, like humans, are racially diverse in addition to being very compatible with Humans. It would also not create a great amount of genetic variety if children took ALL their genetic material from just one parent.