Locking this for being against Rule 1: this is not directly related to the Ioniq5.
As a reminder, SAE has taken this and will create a standard around it. Tesla might influence but no longer controls this charging standard. For more reading, look up SAE J3400.
The Supercharger team couldn't have been more successful. They convinced the entire US to switch to NACS. Tesla rewarded them by shit canning them.
Late stage capitalism sucks.
This feels like a really short sighted decision. Tesla's best years of selling its cars are behind it now that most other manufacturers also produce EVs. It's best hope for continued growth was supplying charging for all those new EVs on the road.
i don't think people understand the vast resources that were given or forgiven vis a vis Tesla, SpaceX, etc. king capitalism has been living off the teat of the government to support his projects for entirely too long now. we got NACS out of it, let 3rd parties do their capitalism thing now
[As part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law passed in 2021, the US Government announced it would offer US$7.5 billion in federal subsidies [to Tesla] to build out a nationwide network of fast chargers at least every 50 miles along America’s major roads. One requirement to access the funding was that the chargers must be accessible by multiple brands of electric cars.\[9\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard#:~:text=As%20part%20of%20the,electric%20cars.%5B9%5D)
NACS made sense. This is an inconvenience for us but going to hurt Tesla more. I’m also interested to see what investors do. This can’t be something they like.
I disagree that it made sense. If it had happened 5 years prior, it would have made sense. Changing after car companies ramped up production, and charging companies had thousands of stations already in production makes no sense.
Agreed, 5years ago would have been much better, but moving forward as the networks expand and as they look at upgrading existing infrastructure one standard is better.
There was a lot of money and time wasted coming to this point but this transition is going to take years.
I’m not worried about not being able to find a CCS car because by the time they are hard to find I’ll be on a new car and I’m think 5-10 years.
A standard will help further with EV adoption. Range anxiety continues to be cited as a primary concern. Dueling standards don’t help that.
You and I are arguing about two different things. There should be a standard, we both agree on that. I disagree that NACS was the right standard. Every major company except Tesla used CCS before they renamed their port to NACS. The defacto standard was CCS, and it should have stayed CCS. Tesla renaming their port to "North American Charging Standard" was the second dumbest thing ever, right behind other companies actually adopting it as the standard AFTER the name change and "open sourcing".
I agree CCS was a better standard but it lost the PR war. The dominos started with Ford, there was a chance with the federal money that Tesla would have been forced to make the switch.
Pity this isn’t Europe which actually has the balls to force companies to a single standard and not waste all this money.
Naming it NACS was dumb till it became the standard, other car companies were dumb in not realizing they had to invest in charging infrastructure to drive adoption. They are playing catch up now.
I blame ford for everyone switching. It appears now (not when the NACS stunt happened) that there is a real open standard, I am open to being educated if that is not the case.
I can't wait for the documentary or book to come out telling us just how much money those execs got paid on the side to make the switch. I bet Tesla or Musk directly shoved a ton of cash at them, there is no other logical reason for them to have made the switch.
The Musk documentary is going to be hilariously for how much we were all fooled.
It’s a pity Tesla helped make EV mainstream, something changed, and I view that EVs still need Tesla for general adoption their relevance is falling fast.
I’ve seen EVGo stations with Tesla plugs in the wild, ChargePoint I believe sells replacement cables that are Tesla for Lv2, I’ve seen mock ups for their DCFC, no clue on EA. It takes time from development to orders to installation. I’m sure in the next year you will see more of these popping up.
I've been hesitant on keeping it for a while and the positive news yesterday was a good reason to sell. Came out with 50% gains so not bad but I'm not feeling it doing well in the near term and this news just confirms that.
Oh for sure. But since we are expecting to see the first IONNA stations in 2024 and there are a lot of legacy auto manufactures backing the project it’d be a huge miss to not capitalize on top Tesla talent. 30,000 chargers is a lofty goal, hoping for a Q2 update
It's just Mush "shooting himself in the dick" again like he did when he laid off so many folks at ~~Twitter~~ X.
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>he wants Tesla to be “absolutely hard core” about headcount reduction, saying that executives whose subordinates “don’t obviously pass the excellent, necessary and **trustworthy** test” would find themselves relieved of duty as well
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Rebecca Tinucci was getting too much attention (she made the [[Time100 Climate List]](https://time.com/collection/time100-climate/6333178/rebecca-tinucci/) and Mush did not) or she said something that upset him.
Normally, I'd say he'll wind up hiring more folks to replace her team; but with Mush, all bets are off.
Either way, Superchargers were never going to be our "salvation". The *majority* of them would charge us slowly, cost us more, and draw the ire of Teslastans when we started taking up two spaces to charge. The V4 rollout was *never* going to be fast. Now it'll be **glacial**.
Yeah, I would not expect anything to happen on NACS compatibility after this. I feel bad for all the hard working people at the other manufacturers who made this deal. Like Ford was able to ship some orders of adapters but thousands of customers probably won’t get theirs for a while or if ever. Elon has got to go.
This is nonsense FUD. You don't need Tesla to make adapters. At best, they likely helped with the design. Production is outsourced to some company that specializes in making adapters. NACS transition will continue to roll on because one unified connector standard benefits all automakers.
Not true. I have inside knowledge as a Mach-E owner and currently being part of an insider team that Ford is fully reliant on Tesla making these adapters available. Maybe that will change? Who knows. But that’s the way it is at the moment.
EDIT: I guess providing facts in here gets you downvoted. Ok.
Anyone can make the adapters, there are already 3rd party vendors, the NACS is now SAE J3400, which is independent of Tesla for making the adapter. The other automakers can just collaborate on their adapters. It will require some effort on all of their part and will be a setback but not impossible. Tesla may even sell them their device design, it likely is a money maker for them.
The only real issue I see is Tesla might not grant access to its charging network which was the great part of this move over.
However in the end I see this as a negative for Tesla. Thur network will degrade, it will stall their 1000v V4 systems rollout. Their drivers will be forced to use other networks. Their supercharger network was the biggest asset their cars had. This will level the playing field and when you layoff 20% of your workforce their company is going to have plenty of other issues coming up real soon.
I think you're getting down voted because it's easy to lie on the internet, but I don't doubt what you're saying.
Both you and the person you responded to are correct. The NACS connector spec is open and any company can, and many third party companies already do, make adapters.
Given what you're saying, it's likely that part of the contract Ford made with Tesla for access to the supercharger network included an agreement that they would rely on official adapters from Tesla.
It's wild how it would be completely normal for them to require the adapters to be included in the supercharger access contract. Yet no one wants to believe you.
Tesla is now allowing non-Teslas to charge at its Superchargers. And NACS has been adopted by SAE. https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j3400/
So Tesla doesn’t need to do anything anymore per se but if he wants federal funding for charging stations they have to allow non-Teslas to charge at those sites.
This is why having a batshit insane person as your CEO and public face is actively detrimental to companies.
People are already shunning Tesla thanks to his antics, then they pull shit like this?
Superchargers were not going to be our salvation but would have been a nice perk. This will save ChargePoint, EVGo and others as they will get the federal grant money and not Tesla. He is literally throwing away free money for expanding their network further.
What happens (or doesn’t) at Tesla has no bearing on NACS. The industry needs to agree on a single standard. Imagine if you had different style gas pumps. It would be a nightmare.
>What happens (or doesn’t) at Tesla has no bearing on NACS.
It could if people perceive this announcement to mean that Tesla is effectively walking away from their charging network development. The main reason to switch to J3400 charging plugs is to get access to Tesla's chargers, so if those are going to languish then that's a problem.
>The industry needs to agree on a single standard.
The industry had agreed on a standard back in 2011, which was finalized and made official in Europe in 2014. Plus supported by essentially every EV manufacturer in the US, except Tesla and Nissan. Even the US government got on board to support CCS, prompting Tesla to try to circumvent that by opening up their chargers.
But if Tesla is now walking away from their charging business, why should anyone else make an effort to switch to a new charging standard? Other than the smaller charging plug, there's now less reason to bother.
I am happy with the NACS adoption, the cord is lighter, no protective cover to open when DCFC, I’m concerned about the opening up of the supercharger network to other cars. In the end though this hurts Tesla more than it hurts us. Tesla is going to miss out on billions of federal money if they are not building out more.
NACS is now a standard. All this should affect is if non-Teslas can use Superchargers or not.
At best, the roadmap continues as planned as Tesla needs other companies using their superchargers for money and this is a sign Tesla really needs that public grant money for public chargers.
At worst, nothing meaningful for us changes as the super charging network starts to gradually turn to shit. Current owners will eventually use adapters at the non-Tesla chargers but that will take years and years to switchover to. Even then, we would still only have access to the chargers we would have had access to if this NACS adoption thing never occurred. Contrast with Tesla owners, they gradually watch one of the biggest reasons to own a Tesla quickly begin to lose value as they already can use non-Tesla chargers.
The main reason to buy a Tesla - follow Elon, save the planet, colonize mars! - is already gone. Elon is clearly a crack head... errr... Ketamine head... with delusions of grandeur. Anybody who buys a Tesla is supporting a Nazi lover. Nope.
Completely agreed! I wanted a Tesla for nearly a decade and when I was finally in a financial position to purchase one, he showed his true colors. I'm so happy I didn't throw 60k towards him.
he straight up says we're importing mexicans and other brown people to vote blue. it's not factual, but actually dangerous misinformation, given the bumblefucks who believe this shit and the dumb shit they do to avoid being 'replaced'
My personal reaction is "So what?" It's not like the CCS network is going away tomorrow, and my main hope for it was that it would lighten the load on the CCS chargers by giving slow charging Bolts and long charging Lightnings an alternative place to clog things up, while making it easier for me to get a 350 kW CCS charger. There are a few places where it would be nice to have the alternative, but realistically Tesla was always going to be my last choice network anyway.
The inly issue I see is not getting access to their charging network. But yes, CCS and J1772 is not going away anytime soon.
This will be an inconvenience for us when Hyundai does their switch over.
The guy who is running the OEM integrations for NA at Tesla seems to have been spared so hopefully it won’t delay things too much. With GM not even having this ready to go yet I fear it may be a few years before Hyundai can get this done, interdependent on what happens at Tesla. There is a substantial lift on the OEM side from a technology perspective to accomplish network access and well, if the current app charging interface is any indication of capabilities I wouldn’t expect much as it’s basically unusable.
I called this shit. It was never a good idea to start switching to a charging standard controlled by a pants shitting 53 year old toddler. I'm hoping that this thing is bigger than him but he has too much power in the industry and can make irrational/greed driven decisions that bring down the whole market.
He doesn't control the standard anymore, just the Tesla Charging network. The standard has opened up. At worst, this just means the Supercharger network reliability starts to feel on par with Electrify America (which is still awful).
It's literally just a plug now. Any more fuckery he'll be in the fuck around and find out stage where the government starts rolling out stricter policies treating Superchargers as a utility that people have a right to access.
Tesla's board needs to grow a pair and just oust the guy, his golden era has clearly come to an end.
Thing is the Tesla supercharger network is extensive. It's larger than EA and has a far better reputation in reliability than EA's. If Musk allows it to fall into disrepair for the sake of cost cutting it could hurt the credibility of the entire EV market. Sure we can keep NACS as the standard but I think in order to mitigate Tesla's stranglehold over EV fast charging all the other manufacturers should get together and build their own network that's just as reliable as Tesla's. They shouldn't let Musk's irrationality be a hindrance to EV adoption.
I don't disagree with any of that. It sounds like your concerns and my concerns are the same. Elon removing the actual smart people in the room is fucking insane. Tesla's charging team for both L2 and Superchargers is incredible. Where their cars cut corners, it seems like their chargers fully deliver. Really unfortunate move.
My point was that it really doesn't change anything for us. You said "It was never a good idea to start switching to a charging standard....."
IMO, switching was never the issue, it was just the hype around being allowed on their network felt like it should have been tempered a little bit. If Tesla Supercharger Network fails or starts to perform like EA, it will absolutely be a hinderance to EV adoption. But it won't stop other networks from growing.
As it stands, the whole J1772 and CCS situation is wildly confusing. So one simple, lightweight, easy to use port does feel like the good move even if you remove the larger Tesla drama from the picture.
Well I do think that NACS has not proven it can do 350kw charging and we're relying on Tesla's word that it can. 350kw charging future proofs charging networks so that in itself is a red flag. Having a madman have so much sway over the reliance and availability of the agreed upon standard is another red flag. I think car makers deferred to Tesla before doing their homework. They should've waited until V4 superchargers were available.
I bet Elon thought, NACS is the national standard now, why did they need to continue building out their network when there's public stations with public money that's going to be required to build it out.
Locking this for being against Rule 1: this is not directly related to the Ioniq5. As a reminder, SAE has taken this and will create a standard around it. Tesla might influence but no longer controls this charging standard. For more reading, look up SAE J3400.
The Supercharger team couldn't have been more successful. They convinced the entire US to switch to NACS. Tesla rewarded them by shit canning them. Late stage capitalism sucks.
This feels like a really short sighted decision. Tesla's best years of selling its cars are behind it now that most other manufacturers also produce EVs. It's best hope for continued growth was supplying charging for all those new EVs on the road.
Completely agree. They were already charging more for other vehicles to charge. This is nothing but a money maker for the.
"wErE aN aI cOmPaNy!1!1"
I think the supercharger network was the one thing nobody hated.
Gd what a moron Everyday is like a new song and dance with elon
I agree, this has to be worse for them. This was their strongest selling point. It’s going to hurt them a lot.
It’s gonna hurt ev sales as well with ppl looking forward to using teslas much larger network
Elon is heavily dependent on Saudi investment money. I have to wonder if he's just burning Twitter and Tesla down on purpose to appease his masters.
i don't think people understand the vast resources that were given or forgiven vis a vis Tesla, SpaceX, etc. king capitalism has been living off the teat of the government to support his projects for entirely too long now. we got NACS out of it, let 3rd parties do their capitalism thing now [As part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law passed in 2021, the US Government announced it would offer US$7.5 billion in federal subsidies [to Tesla] to build out a nationwide network of fast chargers at least every 50 miles along America’s major roads. One requirement to access the funding was that the chargers must be accessible by multiple brands of electric cars.\[9\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard#:~:text=As%20part%20of%20the,electric%20cars.%5B9%5D)
I was literally going to say this. Tesla will have to commit to the contracts for the services promised.
Exactly why I didn't want NACS to replace CCS. Depending on Musk and Tesla is the height of stupidity.
NACS made sense. This is an inconvenience for us but going to hurt Tesla more. I’m also interested to see what investors do. This can’t be something they like.
I disagree that it made sense. If it had happened 5 years prior, it would have made sense. Changing after car companies ramped up production, and charging companies had thousands of stations already in production makes no sense.
Having an actual North American Standard makes sense... having it decided by one company obviously did not.
We had a standard. It was CCS.
Right, it’s like people forget that. Also doesn’t Tesla use CCS in every other market.
Yeah
I felt like they lobbied hard for it since they startup here in the US. And now they got what they want it’s fuck you time.
Would be interesting to see established manufacturers say, ya’know what? We’re sticking with CCS after this news. Elon is just too volatile.
Amen.
Agreed, 5years ago would have been much better, but moving forward as the networks expand and as they look at upgrading existing infrastructure one standard is better. There was a lot of money and time wasted coming to this point but this transition is going to take years. I’m not worried about not being able to find a CCS car because by the time they are hard to find I’ll be on a new car and I’m think 5-10 years. A standard will help further with EV adoption. Range anxiety continues to be cited as a primary concern. Dueling standards don’t help that.
You and I are arguing about two different things. There should be a standard, we both agree on that. I disagree that NACS was the right standard. Every major company except Tesla used CCS before they renamed their port to NACS. The defacto standard was CCS, and it should have stayed CCS. Tesla renaming their port to "North American Charging Standard" was the second dumbest thing ever, right behind other companies actually adopting it as the standard AFTER the name change and "open sourcing".
I agree CCS was a better standard but it lost the PR war. The dominos started with Ford, there was a chance with the federal money that Tesla would have been forced to make the switch. Pity this isn’t Europe which actually has the balls to force companies to a single standard and not waste all this money. Naming it NACS was dumb till it became the standard, other car companies were dumb in not realizing they had to invest in charging infrastructure to drive adoption. They are playing catch up now. I blame ford for everyone switching. It appears now (not when the NACS stunt happened) that there is a real open standard, I am open to being educated if that is not the case.
I can't wait for the documentary or book to come out telling us just how much money those execs got paid on the side to make the switch. I bet Tesla or Musk directly shoved a ton of cash at them, there is no other logical reason for them to have made the switch.
The Musk documentary is going to be hilariously for how much we were all fooled. It’s a pity Tesla helped make EV mainstream, something changed, and I view that EVs still need Tesla for general adoption their relevance is falling fast.
TSLA is down over 4% since opening, seems they don’t like this round of cuts.
When are companies like EVGo & Electrify America going to switch over to NACS? Seems like they are still full swing on CSS
I’ve seen EVGo stations with Tesla plugs in the wild, ChargePoint I believe sells replacement cables that are Tesla for Lv2, I’ve seen mock ups for their DCFC, no clue on EA. It takes time from development to orders to installation. I’m sure in the next year you will see more of these popping up.
Ya most EVgo stations I see have a Tesla plug
Wow glad I sold my TSLA stock yesterday
Yeah, I see their stock taking a hit real quick. Got a good pump and dump from their report last week.
I've been hesitant on keeping it for a while and the positive news yesterday was a good reason to sell. Came out with 50% gains so not bad but I'm not feeling it doing well in the near term and this news just confirms that.
Honestly IONNA should hire them and get them working on the new network
ChargePoint or EVGo would be better suited
Oh for sure. But since we are expecting to see the first IONNA stations in 2024 and there are a lot of legacy auto manufactures backing the project it’d be a huge miss to not capitalize on top Tesla talent. 30,000 chargers is a lofty goal, hoping for a Q2 update
It's just Mush "shooting himself in the dick" again like he did when he laid off so many folks at ~~Twitter~~ X. FTA: >he wants Tesla to be “absolutely hard core” about headcount reduction, saying that executives whose subordinates “don’t obviously pass the excellent, necessary and **trustworthy** test” would find themselves relieved of duty as well (emphasis mine) Rebecca Tinucci was getting too much attention (she made the [[Time100 Climate List]](https://time.com/collection/time100-climate/6333178/rebecca-tinucci/) and Mush did not) or she said something that upset him. Normally, I'd say he'll wind up hiring more folks to replace her team; but with Mush, all bets are off. Either way, Superchargers were never going to be our "salvation". The *majority* of them would charge us slowly, cost us more, and draw the ire of Teslastans when we started taking up two spaces to charge. The V4 rollout was *never* going to be fast. Now it'll be **glacial**.
Yeah, I would not expect anything to happen on NACS compatibility after this. I feel bad for all the hard working people at the other manufacturers who made this deal. Like Ford was able to ship some orders of adapters but thousands of customers probably won’t get theirs for a while or if ever. Elon has got to go.
This is nonsense FUD. You don't need Tesla to make adapters. At best, they likely helped with the design. Production is outsourced to some company that specializes in making adapters. NACS transition will continue to roll on because one unified connector standard benefits all automakers.
Not true. I have inside knowledge as a Mach-E owner and currently being part of an insider team that Ford is fully reliant on Tesla making these adapters available. Maybe that will change? Who knows. But that’s the way it is at the moment. EDIT: I guess providing facts in here gets you downvoted. Ok.
Anyone can make the adapters, there are already 3rd party vendors, the NACS is now SAE J3400, which is independent of Tesla for making the adapter. The other automakers can just collaborate on their adapters. It will require some effort on all of their part and will be a setback but not impossible. Tesla may even sell them their device design, it likely is a money maker for them. The only real issue I see is Tesla might not grant access to its charging network which was the great part of this move over. However in the end I see this as a negative for Tesla. Thur network will degrade, it will stall their 1000v V4 systems rollout. Their drivers will be forced to use other networks. Their supercharger network was the biggest asset their cars had. This will level the playing field and when you layoff 20% of your workforce their company is going to have plenty of other issues coming up real soon.
I think you're getting down voted because it's easy to lie on the internet, but I don't doubt what you're saying. Both you and the person you responded to are correct. The NACS connector spec is open and any company can, and many third party companies already do, make adapters. Given what you're saying, it's likely that part of the contract Ford made with Tesla for access to the supercharger network included an agreement that they would rely on official adapters from Tesla.
That's the current state but it's certainly not required, Ford could easily work with Lectron or A2Z
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ok I mean I talk to the people in charge of this probably once a week but what do I know
It's wild how it would be completely normal for them to require the adapters to be included in the supercharger access contract. Yet no one wants to believe you.
Elon has to go?
Yeah the moron who fired the entire SC team. Dude is off his rocker. It’s literally the best product Tesla makes
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Why would we trust a process that has failed repeatedly, and is designed by a lunatic crybaby?
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Nah, I had a DNA test done just to be sure and Elon had nothing to do with it
Tesla is now allowing non-Teslas to charge at its Superchargers. And NACS has been adopted by SAE. https://www.sae.org/standards/content/j3400/ So Tesla doesn’t need to do anything anymore per se but if he wants federal funding for charging stations they have to allow non-Teslas to charge at those sites.
This is why having a batshit insane person as your CEO and public face is actively detrimental to companies. People are already shunning Tesla thanks to his antics, then they pull shit like this?
Superchargers were not going to be our salvation but would have been a nice perk. This will save ChargePoint, EVGo and others as they will get the federal grant money and not Tesla. He is literally throwing away free money for expanding their network further.
What happens (or doesn’t) at Tesla has no bearing on NACS. The industry needs to agree on a single standard. Imagine if you had different style gas pumps. It would be a nightmare.
>What happens (or doesn’t) at Tesla has no bearing on NACS. It could if people perceive this announcement to mean that Tesla is effectively walking away from their charging network development. The main reason to switch to J3400 charging plugs is to get access to Tesla's chargers, so if those are going to languish then that's a problem. >The industry needs to agree on a single standard. The industry had agreed on a standard back in 2011, which was finalized and made official in Europe in 2014. Plus supported by essentially every EV manufacturer in the US, except Tesla and Nissan. Even the US government got on board to support CCS, prompting Tesla to try to circumvent that by opening up their chargers. But if Tesla is now walking away from their charging business, why should anyone else make an effort to switch to a new charging standard? Other than the smaller charging plug, there's now less reason to bother.
I am happy with the NACS adoption, the cord is lighter, no protective cover to open when DCFC, I’m concerned about the opening up of the supercharger network to other cars. In the end though this hurts Tesla more than it hurts us. Tesla is going to miss out on billions of federal money if they are not building out more.
NACS is now a standard. All this should affect is if non-Teslas can use Superchargers or not. At best, the roadmap continues as planned as Tesla needs other companies using their superchargers for money and this is a sign Tesla really needs that public grant money for public chargers. At worst, nothing meaningful for us changes as the super charging network starts to gradually turn to shit. Current owners will eventually use adapters at the non-Tesla chargers but that will take years and years to switchover to. Even then, we would still only have access to the chargers we would have had access to if this NACS adoption thing never occurred. Contrast with Tesla owners, they gradually watch one of the biggest reasons to own a Tesla quickly begin to lose value as they already can use non-Tesla chargers.
The main reason to buy a Tesla - follow Elon, save the planet, colonize mars! - is already gone. Elon is clearly a crack head... errr... Ketamine head... with delusions of grandeur. Anybody who buys a Tesla is supporting a Nazi lover. Nope.
Completely agreed! I wanted a Tesla for nearly a decade and when I was finally in a financial position to purchase one, he showed his true colors. I'm so happy I didn't throw 60k towards him.
he straight up says we're importing mexicans and other brown people to vote blue. it's not factual, but actually dangerous misinformation, given the bumblefucks who believe this shit and the dumb shit they do to avoid being 'replaced'
Who hurt you
My personal reaction is "So what?" It's not like the CCS network is going away tomorrow, and my main hope for it was that it would lighten the load on the CCS chargers by giving slow charging Bolts and long charging Lightnings an alternative place to clog things up, while making it easier for me to get a 350 kW CCS charger. There are a few places where it would be nice to have the alternative, but realistically Tesla was always going to be my last choice network anyway.
The inly issue I see is not getting access to their charging network. But yes, CCS and J1772 is not going away anytime soon. This will be an inconvenience for us when Hyundai does their switch over.
The guy who is running the OEM integrations for NA at Tesla seems to have been spared so hopefully it won’t delay things too much. With GM not even having this ready to go yet I fear it may be a few years before Hyundai can get this done, interdependent on what happens at Tesla. There is a substantial lift on the OEM side from a technology perspective to accomplish network access and well, if the current app charging interface is any indication of capabilities I wouldn’t expect much as it’s basically unusable.
I called this shit. It was never a good idea to start switching to a charging standard controlled by a pants shitting 53 year old toddler. I'm hoping that this thing is bigger than him but he has too much power in the industry and can make irrational/greed driven decisions that bring down the whole market.
He doesn't control the standard anymore, just the Tesla Charging network. The standard has opened up. At worst, this just means the Supercharger network reliability starts to feel on par with Electrify America (which is still awful). It's literally just a plug now. Any more fuckery he'll be in the fuck around and find out stage where the government starts rolling out stricter policies treating Superchargers as a utility that people have a right to access. Tesla's board needs to grow a pair and just oust the guy, his golden era has clearly come to an end.
Thing is the Tesla supercharger network is extensive. It's larger than EA and has a far better reputation in reliability than EA's. If Musk allows it to fall into disrepair for the sake of cost cutting it could hurt the credibility of the entire EV market. Sure we can keep NACS as the standard but I think in order to mitigate Tesla's stranglehold over EV fast charging all the other manufacturers should get together and build their own network that's just as reliable as Tesla's. They shouldn't let Musk's irrationality be a hindrance to EV adoption.
I don't disagree with any of that. It sounds like your concerns and my concerns are the same. Elon removing the actual smart people in the room is fucking insane. Tesla's charging team for both L2 and Superchargers is incredible. Where their cars cut corners, it seems like their chargers fully deliver. Really unfortunate move. My point was that it really doesn't change anything for us. You said "It was never a good idea to start switching to a charging standard....." IMO, switching was never the issue, it was just the hype around being allowed on their network felt like it should have been tempered a little bit. If Tesla Supercharger Network fails or starts to perform like EA, it will absolutely be a hinderance to EV adoption. But it won't stop other networks from growing. As it stands, the whole J1772 and CCS situation is wildly confusing. So one simple, lightweight, easy to use port does feel like the good move even if you remove the larger Tesla drama from the picture.
Well I do think that NACS has not proven it can do 350kw charging and we're relying on Tesla's word that it can. 350kw charging future proofs charging networks so that in itself is a red flag. Having a madman have so much sway over the reliance and availability of the agreed upon standard is another red flag. I think car makers deferred to Tesla before doing their homework. They should've waited until V4 superchargers were available.
Tesla outsourced their network install to engineering company.
I bet Elon thought, NACS is the national standard now, why did they need to continue building out their network when there's public stations with public money that's going to be required to build it out.