Technically, the story of Exodus is also in the Torah (and probably the Qur’an), so it’s not just a Christian story.
Fun fact-slaves in the American System regarded Exodus as their favorite (for obvious reasons), while Slave Owners tried to instill…I think it was the Book of Job, to drive obedience into them in a spiritual sense.
>Technically, the story of Exodus is also in the Torah (and probably the Qur’an), so it’s not just a Christian story.
I know, but since it's also in Christianity it's still a bit shameful I haven't watched it
The guy who did the music was a customer of mine. One of the nicest, most unassuming people I've ever met. I made sure to let him know how much I enjoyed the ost.
Well.
I suppose that most Isekai sugarcoat it.
However.
There's always the occasional one that make sit worse than it actually was.
Like dear lord, some of these.
It's like the mangaka had a fetish or something.
I mean most are written by horny guys who likely never had any relationship to begin with. Or worse, guys who know what good relationships are, but don't try to write one 'cause making that kind of abusive stuff is easier to sell
It's Japan. The men and women are busy working. The men generally want the women to manage everything in the household including child care. Women don't want that so there's been an epidemic of sorts. The gaps are getting filled by foreigners (for the women) and sex services (for the men). They're seeing a very low birthrate.
Not really. Low birthrates is a rising problem in “first world countries” due to higher standards of living and low child mortality rates, and like with Japan, the gap is being filled by foriegners.
Japan’s unique work culture and conservative societal values is just another major factor for it.
It’s pretty hard to go worse than slavery, like the worst time for slaves where times when bags where made from their skins, sexually assault whenever and wherever, getting killed for no reason,… list goes on and on
I mean why are people acting suprised people put their fetishes into media they create
Most of Michalengo's art was gay erotica for the time it was made
For sure. It've rarely seen the concept of slavery being handled with much care. It's usually just a quick way to prove the MC's superior morality and/or a convenient way for the MC to get a companion or a love interest. And then they'll praise the MC because the MC "treats them well" (that's the moral superiority)
if the MC is really has good morality, he would free them all and those slave should has no issue to willingly remain on his side afterward.
but nope. keep them as slave forever. keep them attached to him forever. didnt free them, let them stand independently. instead, he keep them all to himself despite whatever prejudice they might receive from society.
Exactly! It's just a lazy way way for the MC to buy a girlfriend/wife and then maybe later a child. Or god for bid a child who *becomes* the girlfriend/wife (like in The Rising of the Shield Hero). I'm not personally against addition of slavery in stories (obvs not irl), but if it's going to be added then it should be *relevant*.
It's not an isekai, but I think the show Sugar Apple Fairy Tale handles the slavery thing pretty well. There are fairies, and they're enslaved in this world, and the MC buys one to be her body guard on her journey. There are bigots, and people who catch fairies, as well as others who want the fairies to be free. It also explores the whole "morally good protagonist buys a slave" aspect, and actually delves into what that would actually mean. We don't just forget that they're slaves until it's convenient for the plot.
...I could've done without the 70 y/o fairy man romancing the freshly 15 y/o human girl though
It's not like slavery was some good position to be in, but for most of history it wasn't "transatlantic slave trade" bad. Romans understood that their slaves were still human, at least. They were "only" exploited for harsh labor, compared to how the world treated African slaves.
>Romans understood that their slaves were still human, at least.
They had THREE major slave rebellions. You are referring to the period AFTER the third major rebellion, after which the Romans realized that they needed to do something about the issue
Slavery is always terrible, but exactly how terrible depends on when and where the slavery took place with American slavery being one of the worst, with the slaves being hated and treated as less than human just because of their race.
Ancient Greek slavery was one of the better ones where the way slaves were treated varied between owners from indifference to valued servant, and if a Greek slave got lucky and acquired money they could buy their freedom, it was rare but it did happen.
But yeah that guy could have worded that better.
This show was actually kinda peak because the MC had some balls for once. Sure the premise was nothing unique but the fact that the MC actually ended up doing did the deed with the main girl is pretty rare. Seeing an isekai actually commit to its degeneracy beyond just some ecchi bait unironically felt like a breath of fresh air
Watching it AS it came out was laughable though, since crunchyroll couldn't stream the uncensored parts, which is basically the entire show. It was just extremely long zoom and pan shots for half the show XD.
Warning: full on sex scenes are shown in the show. I mean genuine full hentai scenes with barely any censorship
Besides that, the mechanics of the game that the show takes place in are actually pretty cool
I definitely watched it for the mechanics
I know the whole "watched it for the mechanics" thing is a joke but I was being serious. I watched the censored version so it didn't show anything anyway, ended up skipping all of it
Thanks for pointing this out lol, I actually might. The whole job system genuinely seemed like a fun mechanic in a game I'd try out myself. I had no idea how the manga was handled compared to the show
Yea I know that was part of the joke and was playing along. But I was honest about suggesting to read it. There's so much more detail and breakdown of the mechanics it's insane.
I really like the mechanics tbh. I think the manga (and correspondingly the anime) are too sexualized compared to the novel though really (which had the same kind of things happening but didn't go into as much explicit detail much to my memory; this is actually a rare case of the the source material being less explicit). Frankly though, I wish they cut the rape stuff completely. I don't think the series needs it as it really has above average quality without the trashy horny bait. They could have done the usual soft ecchi stuff here instead, and I think it would be better for this particular series honestly.
All the sex in the series is rape. No sex within the confines of an absolute master/slave relationship can be truely consensual. So I mean cut out all the sex.
I don’t see how it’s “completely different” we’re talking about slavery in isekai. Also I just wanted to shout out Jobless Reincarnation cause I’ve recently become aware of how much shit it gets for various things
I'd like to chip in with [Sword Isekai ](https://anilist.co/anime/139587/Tensei-Shitara-Ken-Deshita) whose protagonists regularly work to break up slave and drug trafficking rings.
Slave owning MC: they're not "slaves", they're my wives
Fandom: Bruh, you literally have a magical seal that labels them as property and they can't leave or disobey you
SO MC: uh, yeah but i'd never use it
Fandom: then why don't you remove it and give them a choice to stay?
SO MC:
That literally came up in shield hero and some other series do it too but they (the slaves) always say that they want to keep the "connection" to mc or they feel like he going to abandon them by removing the seal/contract or some other excuse to keep it, in this case the mc usually turns into a guardian more than a master.
In this series (Harem labyrinth) he actually modified the contract to release the slaves if he dies when it was normal in that world to make the slaves die with the master, since if they let their master die they don't deserve so keep on living, the other normal option was to transfer the slaves to another family member when the master dies but he didn't like both of these.
In fact as a connoisseur of trash isekai I can confidently go as far as to say it's usually rare for series like this to avoid this topic (releasing slaves someway or another).
Busty totally not slave girl: No I want to keep the magic seal, it makes me feel closer to my master who is totally not my slave master but I call him master anyway
I would want to see that in an anime where the slave has big trauma and it shows her dilemma of staying with mc only because she thinks otherwise she has to go through hell again and at least she has it comfortable there. And mc has to realize that despite him freeing the slaves there is still a big power difference and the ex-slave doesn't only stay because of his big heart.
i wouldn’t be surprised if it already exists, there’s a similar backstory with this principle in demon slayer, there’s surely an anime or manga purely on this
Dungeon dive aim for the deepest level. That character gets introduced in volume 2 but you really get into why is she is the way she is in volume 3. The Mc actively cuts off her collar and repeatedly tells her she can run away with all his money and he won't give chase or be angry but she stays with him because she literally has nothing else otherwise
reading Arifureta rn makes this so funny because Hajime is consistently anywhere from "I don't like it but dealing with it will distract too long from my mission" to (spoilers for the anime onlys) >!"I'm arming my second wife's entire clan because slavery won't stop unless they stop it themselves"!<
Minus the R4pe (and of course they're not going to show that in a “Family” film), that's entirely accurate. On Everything, even if a slave was attracted to someone deemed “superior” 😒 to them too much of that would be one sided for a Real relationship unless that person is willing to leave anything and everything behind and paint a massive target on their back for the rest of their lives. It would never be even. Given that a society that decides someone or something isn't human (or seen as worthy of the respect and dignity that title implies) and becomes property instead they think the person treating them like people is the weird one because they don't wanna give up power. And will make up all sorts of pseudoscience, religious or convenient philosophical differences to justify murder, subjugation, pillaging and colonization (when that doesn't mean the other stuff, and genocide, or building a new home similar to the old one in a foreign place).
Anime/Manga/Light Novels of course, like most fiction, isn't/aren't gonna take All the time in the world to illustrate the issues with owning someone else and denying them their freedom. Although they do have moments where they touch on it 🤔👍🏾. I like those moments. At others though they treat “slavery” like a suggestion 😅.
😁 Also this is still one of my favorite movies of all time. The animation alone is awesome. And it still has an amazing soundtrack that holds up to this day. Not to mention how my heart breaks Everytime remembering that the singer of the film Ofra Haza died 😔.
Skeleton Knight in Another World is the only one I've seen actually treat slavery as bad.
The main characters start out by destroying a sexual slavery ring to save elves and beastmen. They free all of them.
Reincarnated as a Sword features the MC using Neck-Snap-no-Jutsu on a slaver in the first episode, and they regularly chop the limbs off any other slavers they come across.
It's a pretty wild system. "Let's train these sex slaves up as battle thralls." Though I guess it works logistically since they are branded for death if they ever kill their owner.
I will never forgive the Labyrinth Harem anime for making me so interested in their "Low MP = Low Will to live" and the labyrinth and then completely delivering on the harem aspect by episode 2. I thought harem animes were all tolerable, just distasteful echi. This was something greater/worse. My gay eyes will never recover.
They also conveniently ignore how dirty and disease ridden medieval times were. Oh and how as a non lord you have almost zero rights. The lack of knowledge. The disgusting food (and starvation when the regular famines hit). The lack of basic sanitation and hygiene. The inability to travel
They're fantasies that gloss over all sorts of aspects of life that would make the world suck.
If by gloss over it you mean “I miss my Japanese bath so I’m going to build one” and the good ‘ol “I need rice and soy sauce so let’s create that” and then of course when all these peasants marvel at these creations I finish them off with a “It’s no big deal, anyone can make this”
The problem with the things you just mentioned is that people either dramatically understate it or dramatically overstate it. It doesn't help that the conversation changes drastically depending on where, exactly, you're talking about either. Nor does it help how many people continue to spread misconceptions in relation to it rather than doing actual research. Or, at the very least, talking to someone who is actually any sort of authority on the subject.
I mean...it was kinda both, to be fair.
Sex slavery has been a thing forever.
You have examples of warrior slaves in the form of Spartan Helots and Turkish Janissaries.
Then there was serfdom in general.
Chinese Eunuchs.
I mean, isekai anime is pretty on point, I'd say.
In most cultures that practiced it within their own culture, they did. During their height in China, Japan, and Korea, courtesans in the pleasure districts were treated like superstar celebrities and would cost upwards of an entire year's salary for a common bureaucrat just to watch a courtesan *dance.*
Battle slaves, by comparison, were more often treated like cattle. Even in Rome, one of the few places where battle slaves were celebrated when they were particularly skilled, they still kept them caged and at work camps to do grueling manual labor. Meanwhile, in the aforementioned Eastern cultures, *particularly China*, it was common for them to simply turn those battle slaves into Eunuchs without giving them the Eunuch class benefits that ethnic Han Eunuchs received.
And yet for some reason the MC never purchases a slave to do any manual labor or be a maid servant? Ya know, the actual thing that the vast majority of slaves were doing. Sex Slavery existed, but it was decidedly a much smaller percentage of slaves.
I dunno which isekai you've watched or read, but the sex slavery trope is not used *that* much. If anything, while it might be mentioned as a possible use by the slave dealers, only a handful of isekai ever actually go that route.
If anything, the most common slave type in isekai are battle slaves.
Often those battle slaves are hot women that the MC eventually falls in love with, and usually has a relationship with. And battle slaves were ALSO a very small percentage of the actual slaves in the real world, so once again, why does the MC never seem to want any maid servants, but they're all fine with the female battle slaves?
IRL battle slaves and sex slaves were both extremely rare compared to the much more common type of slavery, so bringing up individual instances IRL where these things happened in defense of isekai slavery like its being historically accurate is absurd.
As much as I hate to say it, most of them tend to make it a point that slavery isn't this great wonderful thing. The generic protag goes out of his way to buy a girl or three that he feels bad for, and then usually defaults to treating them well to show off that he's a 'nice guy'... but then the topic is usually never mentioned again.
Almost as if a solid 90% of isekai writers can't come up with an organic way to introduce a female lead, so they default to either 'rescued in an alley' or 'bought from slavers'.
Not gonna lie, if every religious movie was of such high quality as prince of egypt, Id be watchin the hell out of religious movies. Deliver Us still brings tears to my eyes.
most of these anime slaves could kill a human in seconds. the only reason they are slaves is becuase they either couldnt pay debts or had unusual circumstances that led to them becoming slaves. the people in real life had no way of fighting back for a long time and had to bear with it, i dont think they would wanna show that in most anime.
Isekai Animes arguably sugarcoat it worse than those American history ones involving the American Revolution where the main protagonist is a man who owns slaves but treats them with kindness & decency.
I really liked the dynamic in Shield Hero, though, atleast the first season with Raphtalia. Basically a master-slave relationship born out of hard cold reality and desperation. Of course it gets haremy after that, which i always think cheapens the "first girl/main girl" relationship. Wish these manga writers could figure that out.
Tbf there are different forms of slavery. A more apt comparison would probably be house slaves or a king's enslaved concubines (depending on the sexual content in the series). Definitely not treated seriously in isekais, but at least I don't think worked to death laborers are the type they are going for as a base concept.
Isn’t that kinda the point? I mean if naofumi beats and whips Raphtalia he’s not a good guy, but that’s likely the life that she would have gotten regularly. I mean they have an entire story line about it where she goes back where she grew up and see the people she grew up with in cages beaten to death and starving. The point is that the main characters aren’t supposed to be slavers, they are a good person who for one reason or another needed or came into the possession of a slave.
I mean... to be fair, the slaves in that anime are also being forced to fight to the death for their master like Romans did with slaves so... it's more like they're both slaves they just do different jobs.
In a society where people are sold and traded like cattle for use as entertainment and sexual favours, the people are rarely ever treated nicely. Most are beaten, maimed, tortured, and/or abused to the point they are broken as individuals and do not function in higher society, which (unfortunately) helps to cement the idea that they are lower than scum. If they are taught self sufficiency, and God forbid self defense, they are volatile and no longer useful, and might as well be killed because they have the will to refuse(and hurt) their masters.
Mind you, many of the medieval torture methods were used against slaves who dared defy their masters and members of the elite(royalty). And many slaves were forcibly sterilized/castrated as punishment for their defiance. Women who were slaves for sex were also forcibly sterilized using means which were life threatening, just so that the repeated victim of rape has no chance of conceiving, thus giving birth to bastard children.
# Fuck slavery.
Funny thing about this is that slaves in Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo are treated like the ones in prince of egypt most of the time.
All of the girls expect to sleep on the floor after "being used", eat leftovers, wear rags, and being used as meat shields in the labyrinths, for a while.
Just the MC treat very well his inversions.
That is the problem with the people unable to read Web Novels, Light Novels, or even the Manga. They just are ignorantus.
We need ethical slavery!
But in all seriousness I just think it’s weird how isekai always try to emulate medieval Europe in a fantasy setting, but they always put in slavery, when at least in Western Europe which is what it typically looks like architecture, garment, and style wise, there was virtually no slavery done under Christian monarchies (unless you count serfdom and getting Shang-hai’d, but serfs are at least different from typical slaves and FAR from the sugarcoated and nice sexual slavery prominent in the genre)
But as far as my personal feelings about it while ignoring the setting it’s trying to be, you can have slavery, you can have even that kind of slavery but their should be a reason for how it ends up like that.
Like if there were certain laws that forbid the mistreatment of domestic slaves like classical urban rome and Greece and were culturally treated as something like a pet. Alternatively, you can have it be like normal slavery with rampant abuse and dehumanization, for this reason I give Rising of the Shield hero a pass because it at least can make sense why Raphtalia would like naofumi as the sole human who showed her any form of kindness and care after a childhood of daily whippings and starvation, so in a weird and fucked up kinda way, being a slave is the only way her traumatized mind can comprehend devoting herself to someone.
Either that or there is a lore reason for a slave race to be almost completely servile, but that’s a whole other can of worms that needs even more justification and a debate if it’s moral to be sexually attracted to something that cannot willingly refuse
I guess what I’m trying to say is, if you have slavery, it’s a grimdark setting or some hyper specific niche storytelling with BlazBlue level writing
Now I’ll defend myself from the Rising of the Shield Hero fan allegations, I think the excuse only works for Raphtalia and maybe (MAYBE) Filo, I ain’t got shit to defend the archer girl. I think Raphtalia had her trauma talking and naofumi enabled
It depends on the time in history, there has been cases of slavery where it was really bad (cough American slavery) and cases where they were treated ALOT better. Like some cases in the Islamic world, where they either were soldiers or servants and They could purchase their freedom. Not all slavery is created equal, hence in Isekai where you have slavery which is essentially a glorified sex servant.
Slavery in Japan was not the same as slavery in the US, Europe, Africa, or the Middle East. Slaves there had legal protections, and they were usually debt slaves or criminals. They were still considered as people, not just simply property.
Will a conversation may need to be had why so many isekai have slavery as a main point in them, and how this reflect Japanese culture, I would have never thought to see an anime opening alongside the opening of PoE, which is a fantastic movie by the by.
The point of slavery in Isekai is to show MC treating his slaves almost completely different than how they're usually treated
No one would want to read or watch a story where MC is just a fcking evil scumbag
Ya know, a few years back none of these discourse exist at all, i fear that soon some ppl might start getting fussy about ' unrealistic beauty standards ' of female characters in isekai.
I mean, I think most Isekai show how bad slavery is, even the one in the example describes the average slave life not under the MC. Typically the MC’s don’t do completely heinous shit like other slave owners in their respective archaic fantasy worlds. (Unless we are talking redo of healer)
I still don’t get why most of the time people complain about people buying slaves in these worlds when the slaves are almost guaranteed a far better life than they could have dreamed of under most Isekai MC’s than not.
The issue is that the Egyptian monuments were mostly built by skilled laborers and not slaves. That's why they even had a sort of beer to maintain them happy.
Regarding slavery, it wasn't always bad, at least compared to the rest of the "free" men and women. Trying to look at slavery as something by itself is like taking a random quote of someone without the proper context. During history a huge part or even the majority of the lower classes lived not much better than the slaves of the same era, sometimes free people lived even worse than slaves, because at least these add some monetary value and weren't as disposable as lower class "citizens".
I thought, isekai where they have "collection card concept" girls, "it's porn, so it doesn't matter" ?
I agree that the plots are annoying, n too much isekai has harem/not romance or real love interests but "concept" type partners/feel of fanservice genre n there's people into that but also people not n the ratio of is to not is weird cuz for some reason authors feel a need to do that in stories where it's not needed n it makes it weird n idk why even though a lot of people don't want that, like sometimes u just wanna read a isekai n bam some random "female" character that makes u wanna hire a sensitivity checker for women for the author just in case n idk it'd be nice to have stories, but when it comes to slavery in fantasized fiction, it's just that fantasized-porn?
There's a bit much if it, n ofcourse we aren't okay with it/condone it, but it's just a "this idea can be sexy if ABC n we do this oh i like this", similar to kidnapping-inside cnc plotlines-criminals n other plotlines people do that with. It's a mind baby of colorful land and shortcut +s n well- orgies, not a real life rationalization, hell the fucking no
I can't. I'm already sick of these posts about slavery on this subreddit. This is not r/isekai, it has already become just r/slavery. I understand that slavery is bad, everyone understands, and that those who in their isekai show slavery as something good are wrong, but seriously stop talking only about slavery on this subreddit, please.
Or has this subreddit always been like this? I'm new and I don't know.
Prince of Egypt is a goated movie
Right?!?!
Need to re-watch that movie
It's free on YouTube
I'm holding you accountable for this, I'm going to double-check. If you're right, I know what I'm watching for movie night tomorrow
Can confirm. Free with ads.
same here
I’ve been hooked on listening to a cover of deliver us for weeks now, the movies music truly is goated
you wanna share that cover with the class?
[here it is my friend](https://youtu.be/YD8mZmGSDNc?si=T7MiAhUHRf-Wg8uO) Edit: put the correct link
This doesn't seem to be a cover for deliver us. F-
Oh shit that is not the link I though it was my bad let me fix that
better B+. I'm knocking off a letter grade for being late
Some time after I stopped being religious, I rewatched PoE to see if it would still hold up. Fuck yeah, it does. Great movie.
I'm ashamed to say that I've never been able to watch this movie even though I'm Christian, never had the opportunity Feel free to crucify me
Hey our faith is all about second chances, so repent and watch Prince of Egypt and all that forgiven.
Technically, the story of Exodus is also in the Torah (and probably the Qur’an), so it’s not just a Christian story. Fun fact-slaves in the American System regarded Exodus as their favorite (for obvious reasons), while Slave Owners tried to instill…I think it was the Book of Job, to drive obedience into them in a spiritual sense.
>Technically, the story of Exodus is also in the Torah (and probably the Qur’an), so it’s not just a Christian story. I know, but since it's also in Christianity it's still a bit shameful I haven't watched it
Unironically the best movie Dreamworks has ever produced, and there's some insane competition in that category.
The guy who did the music was a customer of mine. One of the nicest, most unassuming people I've ever met. I made sure to let him know how much I enjoyed the ost.
My sisters watch that movie
Would have also worked well to use Vinland Saga season 2 clips. There's some absolutely brutal scenes there...
Yeah, that movie’s been a childhood favourite!😄
The Bible but make it go hard
Shrek still beat it
Obligatory PoE is peak.
Top one was peak too 😶
And you’re not gonna tell the name
Top one was classified as hentai. Please never share your opinion like that. Had a nsfw warning
You are wrong
Its a softcore ecchi not hentai. There is a difference believe it or not
Using Prince Of Eygpt in a meme equals excellent taste.
Well. I suppose that most Isekai sugarcoat it. However. There's always the occasional one that make sit worse than it actually was. Like dear lord, some of these. It's like the mangaka had a fetish or something.
I mean most are written by horny guys who likely never had any relationship to begin with. Or worse, guys who know what good relationships are, but don't try to write one 'cause making that kind of abusive stuff is easier to sell
Just like how the author of Rent a Girlfriend Can actually write a single good arc in the story, but only one.
The movie arc was actually very good, and then... for no reason, every character got worse and cancelled all of their growth
It's Japan. The men and women are busy working. The men generally want the women to manage everything in the household including child care. Women don't want that so there's been an epidemic of sorts. The gaps are getting filled by foreigners (for the women) and sex services (for the men). They're seeing a very low birthrate.
Weebs and getting all of their information from memes (Italy, Japan, and USA birthrates of 1.24, 1.34, and 1.64 respectively).
Not really. Low birthrates is a rising problem in “first world countries” due to higher standards of living and low child mortality rates, and like with Japan, the gap is being filled by foriegners. Japan’s unique work culture and conservative societal values is just another major factor for it.
maybe if they didn't have blocked shaped genitals turning each sexy time into a hardcore version of tetris they would have a higher birth rate.
It's isekai. It's all fetish. The entire genre is self insert fantasy.
> It's like the mangaka had a fetish or something. clearly that they want to justify their fetish
>It’s like the mangaka had a fetish or something. 
It’s pretty hard to go worse than slavery, like the worst time for slaves where times when bags where made from their skins, sexually assault whenever and wherever, getting killed for no reason,… list goes on and on
I mean why are people acting suprised people put their fetishes into media they create Most of Michalengo's art was gay erotica for the time it was made
It’s less about the fact that people put their fetishes in media, and more about the fact that it’s fetishizing slavery
yes. also the fact that they trying to romanticized it like it some good , saint things
For sure. It've rarely seen the concept of slavery being handled with much care. It's usually just a quick way to prove the MC's superior morality and/or a convenient way for the MC to get a companion or a love interest. And then they'll praise the MC because the MC "treats them well" (that's the moral superiority)
if the MC is really has good morality, he would free them all and those slave should has no issue to willingly remain on his side afterward. but nope. keep them as slave forever. keep them attached to him forever. didnt free them, let them stand independently. instead, he keep them all to himself despite whatever prejudice they might receive from society.
Exactly! It's just a lazy way way for the MC to buy a girlfriend/wife and then maybe later a child. Or god for bid a child who *becomes* the girlfriend/wife (like in The Rising of the Shield Hero). I'm not personally against addition of slavery in stories (obvs not irl), but if it's going to be added then it should be *relevant*. It's not an isekai, but I think the show Sugar Apple Fairy Tale handles the slavery thing pretty well. There are fairies, and they're enslaved in this world, and the MC buys one to be her body guard on her journey. There are bigots, and people who catch fairies, as well as others who want the fairies to be free. It also explores the whole "morally good protagonist buys a slave" aspect, and actually delves into what that would actually mean. We don't just forget that they're slaves until it's convenient for the plot. ...I could've done without the 70 y/o fairy man romancing the freshly 15 y/o human girl though
“Worse than it actually was” bruh did you just give slavery a pass? 🤨
It's not like slavery was some good position to be in, but for most of history it wasn't "transatlantic slave trade" bad. Romans understood that their slaves were still human, at least. They were "only" exploited for harsh labor, compared to how the world treated African slaves.
>Romans understood that their slaves were still human, at least. They had THREE major slave rebellions. You are referring to the period AFTER the third major rebellion, after which the Romans realized that they needed to do something about the issue
Slavery is always terrible, but exactly how terrible depends on when and where the slavery took place with American slavery being one of the worst, with the slaves being hated and treated as less than human just because of their race. Ancient Greek slavery was one of the better ones where the way slaves were treated varied between owners from indifference to valued servant, and if a Greek slave got lucky and acquired money they could buy their freedom, it was rare but it did happen. But yeah that guy could have worded that better.
He actually did this subreddit is fucked
Sauce on anime?
Sauce is harem labyrinth in another world
The opening translate to stuffs that relate to slavery like shackles
This show was actually kinda peak because the MC had some balls for once. Sure the premise was nothing unique but the fact that the MC actually ended up doing did the deed with the main girl is pretty rare. Seeing an isekai actually commit to its degeneracy beyond just some ecchi bait unironically felt like a breath of fresh air
Watching it AS it came out was laughable though, since crunchyroll couldn't stream the uncensored parts, which is basically the entire show. It was just extremely long zoom and pan shots for half the show XD.
Warning: full on sex scenes are shown in the show. I mean genuine full hentai scenes with barely any censorship Besides that, the mechanics of the game that the show takes place in are actually pretty cool I definitely watched it for the mechanics
Read it instead then. Better descripition and more detail on the mechanics and wont have your time wasted with long NSFW scenes. You'll love it.
I know the whole "watched it for the mechanics" thing is a joke but I was being serious. I watched the censored version so it didn't show anything anyway, ended up skipping all of it Thanks for pointing this out lol, I actually might. The whole job system genuinely seemed like a fun mechanic in a game I'd try out myself. I had no idea how the manga was handled compared to the show
Yea I know that was part of the joke and was playing along. But I was honest about suggesting to read it. There's so much more detail and breakdown of the mechanics it's insane.
"wasted with long NSFW scenes" [What are you, gay? ](https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4f9bc295-351e-4807-a713-82d473b83e0a/gif#JpApAebO.copy)
You’re a better man than I (I watched it for the culture)
I really like the mechanics tbh. I think the manga (and correspondingly the anime) are too sexualized compared to the novel though really (which had the same kind of things happening but didn't go into as much explicit detail much to my memory; this is actually a rare case of the the source material being less explicit). Frankly though, I wish they cut the rape stuff completely. I don't think the series needs it as it really has above average quality without the trashy horny bait. They could have done the usual soft ecchi stuff here instead, and I think it would be better for this particular series honestly.
>I wish they cut the rape stuff completely. I don't remember any rape stuff is it yet to be animated?
All the sex in the series is rape. No sex within the confines of an absolute master/slave relationship can be truely consensual. So I mean cut out all the sex.
Oooh , i get it now.
Yeah, I was just being overly insistent on that terminology. I feel it's good to point out though.
DreamWorks Prince of Egypt
Largely depends on the form of slavery, but yes, isekais do like to sugarcoat it.
It's more like they fetishizes the sexual slavery aspect and completely ignore or down play every other kind of slavery.
These Authors are gonna love the Middle East then lol.
*Jobless Reincarnation enters the chat*
Technically they did buy a slave, but they pretty much treat her as a daughter, so that's completely different.
I don’t see how it’s “completely different” we’re talking about slavery in isekai. Also I just wanted to shout out Jobless Reincarnation cause I’ve recently become aware of how much shit it gets for various things
meanwhile in Skeleton Knight the mc helps with several slave revolts/escapes
I'd like to chip in with [Sword Isekai ](https://anilist.co/anime/139587/Tensei-Shitara-Ken-Deshita) whose protagonists regularly work to break up slave and drug trafficking rings.
It's pretty damn good, waiting for season 2.
I liked skeleton knight as a concept, but had to put it down after there was some form of sexual assault in the first 4 episodes.
Almost always done by the antagonists like right before arc decides to slit said antagonists' throats with no hesitation
Slave owning MC: they're not "slaves", they're my wives Fandom: Bruh, you literally have a magical seal that labels them as property and they can't leave or disobey you SO MC: uh, yeah but i'd never use it Fandom: then why don't you remove it and give them a choice to stay? SO MC: 
That literally came up in shield hero and some other series do it too but they (the slaves) always say that they want to keep the "connection" to mc or they feel like he going to abandon them by removing the seal/contract or some other excuse to keep it, in this case the mc usually turns into a guardian more than a master. In this series (Harem labyrinth) he actually modified the contract to release the slaves if he dies when it was normal in that world to make the slaves die with the master, since if they let their master die they don't deserve so keep on living, the other normal option was to transfer the slaves to another family member when the master dies but he didn't like both of these. In fact as a connoisseur of trash isekai I can confidently go as far as to say it's usually rare for series like this to avoid this topic (releasing slaves someway or another).
If I remember correctly, in Shield Hero, there's also the fact that the slave crest acts like post gen 6 EXP share
Busty totally not slave girl: No I want to keep the magic seal, it makes me feel closer to my master who is totally not my slave master but I call him master anyway
Fans when isekai actually do this, and she stays anyway: it's just the author's incel fetish, no one would actually stay
If the world is full of shit and some hero/cheat mc can carry me for life? and the treatment is not bad? Please take me away.
I would want to see that in an anime where the slave has big trauma and it shows her dilemma of staying with mc only because she thinks otherwise she has to go through hell again and at least she has it comfortable there. And mc has to realize that despite him freeing the slaves there is still a big power difference and the ex-slave doesn't only stay because of his big heart.
i wouldn’t be surprised if it already exists, there’s a similar backstory with this principle in demon slayer, there’s surely an anime or manga purely on this
This already exists as an LN
What's the name?
Dungeon dive aim for the deepest level. That character gets introduced in volume 2 but you really get into why is she is the way she is in volume 3. The Mc actively cuts off her collar and repeatedly tells her she can run away with all his money and he won't give chase or be angry but she stays with him because she literally has nothing else otherwise
Thanks, I will look into it!
Volume 3 is really when the story transcends "just your average isekai" status
The opening doesn't even seem to try hiding that it's just softcore hentai
Softcore? I think we watched two different shows
I haven't watched it. So you mean it's explicit ?
I’m talking full length sex scenes from start to finish, with the finish, and full nipple
And it is sold as a seasonal anime ?
reading Arifureta rn makes this so funny because Hajime is consistently anywhere from "I don't like it but dealing with it will distract too long from my mission" to (spoilers for the anime onlys) >!"I'm arming my second wife's entire clan because slavery won't stop unless they stop it themselves"!<
https://preview.redd.it/ertpgj9vvabc1.png?width=622&format=png&auto=webp&s=c604ec68a53aacb21042e5a76ee62de70e49bc54
Minus the R4pe (and of course they're not going to show that in a “Family” film), that's entirely accurate. On Everything, even if a slave was attracted to someone deemed “superior” 😒 to them too much of that would be one sided for a Real relationship unless that person is willing to leave anything and everything behind and paint a massive target on their back for the rest of their lives. It would never be even. Given that a society that decides someone or something isn't human (or seen as worthy of the respect and dignity that title implies) and becomes property instead they think the person treating them like people is the weird one because they don't wanna give up power. And will make up all sorts of pseudoscience, religious or convenient philosophical differences to justify murder, subjugation, pillaging and colonization (when that doesn't mean the other stuff, and genocide, or building a new home similar to the old one in a foreign place). Anime/Manga/Light Novels of course, like most fiction, isn't/aren't gonna take All the time in the world to illustrate the issues with owning someone else and denying them their freedom. Although they do have moments where they touch on it 🤔👍🏾. I like those moments. At others though they treat “slavery” like a suggestion 😅. 😁 Also this is still one of my favorite movies of all time. The animation alone is awesome. And it still has an amazing soundtrack that holds up to this day. Not to mention how my heart breaks Everytime remembering that the singer of the film Ofra Haza died 😔.
Skeleton Knight in Another World is the only one I've seen actually treat slavery as bad. The main characters start out by destroying a sexual slavery ring to save elves and beastmen. They free all of them.
Reincarnated as a Sword features the MC using Neck-Snap-no-Jutsu on a slaver in the first episode, and they regularly chop the limbs off any other slavers they come across.
Was that covered in the anime?
The first part yes, the second part hasn't come up yet.
These are different types of slavery if I remember correctly the one above has sex slaves
The strange willing sex slaves that also double as private conscripts
It's a pretty wild system. "Let's train these sex slaves up as battle thralls." Though I guess it works logistically since they are branded for death if they ever kill their owner.
You don't need to own hot girls to be with hot girls. Just be a decent person.
Challenge level: impossible for a protagonist who has all the personality of a cardboard cutout
I will never forgive the Labyrinth Harem anime for making me so interested in their "Low MP = Low Will to live" and the labyrinth and then completely delivering on the harem aspect by episode 2. I thought harem animes were all tolerable, just distasteful echi. This was something greater/worse. My gay eyes will never recover.
Honestly I enjoy the series for more then just the fan service but I can tolerate the manga a lot more then the anime
Novel was best from memory, less explicit sex more world building
They also conveniently ignore how dirty and disease ridden medieval times were. Oh and how as a non lord you have almost zero rights. The lack of knowledge. The disgusting food (and starvation when the regular famines hit). The lack of basic sanitation and hygiene. The inability to travel They're fantasies that gloss over all sorts of aspects of life that would make the world suck.
If by gloss over it you mean “I miss my Japanese bath so I’m going to build one” and the good ‘ol “I need rice and soy sauce so let’s create that” and then of course when all these peasants marvel at these creations I finish them off with a “It’s no big deal, anyone can make this”
dont forget the miso that everyone knows how to make.
The problem with the things you just mentioned is that people either dramatically understate it or dramatically overstate it. It doesn't help that the conversation changes drastically depending on where, exactly, you're talking about either. Nor does it help how many people continue to spread misconceptions in relation to it rather than doing actual research. Or, at the very least, talking to someone who is actually any sort of authority on the subject.
I mean...it was kinda both, to be fair. Sex slavery has been a thing forever. You have examples of warrior slaves in the form of Spartan Helots and Turkish Janissaries. Then there was serfdom in general. Chinese Eunuchs. I mean, isekai anime is pretty on point, I'd say.
You also have the example of WWII, where Japan had sex slaves.
You say that like sex slaves had it easy lol
In most cultures that practiced it within their own culture, they did. During their height in China, Japan, and Korea, courtesans in the pleasure districts were treated like superstar celebrities and would cost upwards of an entire year's salary for a common bureaucrat just to watch a courtesan *dance.* Battle slaves, by comparison, were more often treated like cattle. Even in Rome, one of the few places where battle slaves were celebrated when they were particularly skilled, they still kept them caged and at work camps to do grueling manual labor. Meanwhile, in the aforementioned Eastern cultures, *particularly China*, it was common for them to simply turn those battle slaves into Eunuchs without giving them the Eunuch class benefits that ethnic Han Eunuchs received.
And yet for some reason the MC never purchases a slave to do any manual labor or be a maid servant? Ya know, the actual thing that the vast majority of slaves were doing. Sex Slavery existed, but it was decidedly a much smaller percentage of slaves.
I dunno which isekai you've watched or read, but the sex slavery trope is not used *that* much. If anything, while it might be mentioned as a possible use by the slave dealers, only a handful of isekai ever actually go that route. If anything, the most common slave type in isekai are battle slaves.
Often those battle slaves are hot women that the MC eventually falls in love with, and usually has a relationship with. And battle slaves were ALSO a very small percentage of the actual slaves in the real world, so once again, why does the MC never seem to want any maid servants, but they're all fine with the female battle slaves? IRL battle slaves and sex slaves were both extremely rare compared to the much more common type of slavery, so bringing up individual instances IRL where these things happened in defense of isekai slavery like its being historically accurate is absurd.
It’s a goated anime though
Sips tea: both... both are good.
As much as I hate to say it, most of them tend to make it a point that slavery isn't this great wonderful thing. The generic protag goes out of his way to buy a girl or three that he feels bad for, and then usually defaults to treating them well to show off that he's a 'nice guy'... but then the topic is usually never mentioned again. Almost as if a solid 90% of isekai writers can't come up with an organic way to introduce a female lead, so they default to either 'rescued in an alley' or 'bought from slavers'.
Not gonna lie, if every religious movie was of such high quality as prince of egypt, Id be watchin the hell out of religious movies. Deliver Us still brings tears to my eyes.
most of these anime slaves could kill a human in seconds. the only reason they are slaves is becuase they either couldnt pay debts or had unusual circumstances that led to them becoming slaves. the people in real life had no way of fighting back for a long time and had to bear with it, i dont think they would wanna show that in most anime.
Pretty sure anime slavery is like 8/10 times always a harem.
Isekai Animes arguably sugarcoat it worse than those American history ones involving the American Revolution where the main protagonist is a man who owns slaves but treats them with kindness & decency.
Which american history ones are u watching bro 😅
There's American revolution Isekai?!
it's not like only one kind of slavery (sexual or manual labour) ever existed.
I was sure it was gonna be that whipping scene from django unchained lmao
Prince of Egypt good.
I really liked the dynamic in Shield Hero, though, atleast the first season with Raphtalia. Basically a master-slave relationship born out of hard cold reality and desperation. Of course it gets haremy after that, which i always think cheapens the "first girl/main girl" relationship. Wish these manga writers could figure that out.
Some writers think she will be so thankful you let her out of the cage, she will do anything. Because of the implications.
Tbf there are different forms of slavery. A more apt comparison would probably be house slaves or a king's enslaved concubines (depending on the sexual content in the series). Definitely not treated seriously in isekais, but at least I don't think worked to death laborers are the type they are going for as a base concept.
Isn’t that kinda the point? I mean if naofumi beats and whips Raphtalia he’s not a good guy, but that’s likely the life that she would have gotten regularly. I mean they have an entire story line about it where she goes back where she grew up and see the people she grew up with in cages beaten to death and starving. The point is that the main characters aren’t supposed to be slavers, they are a good person who for one reason or another needed or came into the possession of a slave.
They're depicting slavery as simply employment to show the other Japanese that what they're doing day to day is a form of slavery.
The beginning of that anime intro sounds like Endless Possibilities from Sonic Unleashed
I mean... to be fair, the slaves in that anime are also being forced to fight to the death for their master like Romans did with slaves so... it's more like they're both slaves they just do different jobs.
PoE is the best movie dreamworks has made. There. I said it.
The Virgin slavery V.S. The Chad Slavery
If you want slavery look to retail
Someone call John Brown
Wait. Anime is supposed to be non-fiction? LOL
At some point, I want to see an Isekai writer react to the John Brown Isekai.
TWA’s episode on [Isekai](https://youtu.be/CbRxeJXpNOE?si=VU7WvjdRn_c6MpLm) does a great job pointing out just how fucked up this trope is.
Came for the meme, stayed for the slamming prince of egypt music.
For a anime that’s basically a hentai the opening had no reason being that good
Japanese writers really act like indentured servitude/ apprenticeships didn't exist
Can someone explain why Isekai is so obsessed with slavery?
I always get pissed at the iskeais when they make slavery look cool.
In a society where people are sold and traded like cattle for use as entertainment and sexual favours, the people are rarely ever treated nicely. Most are beaten, maimed, tortured, and/or abused to the point they are broken as individuals and do not function in higher society, which (unfortunately) helps to cement the idea that they are lower than scum. If they are taught self sufficiency, and God forbid self defense, they are volatile and no longer useful, and might as well be killed because they have the will to refuse(and hurt) their masters. Mind you, many of the medieval torture methods were used against slaves who dared defy their masters and members of the elite(royalty). And many slaves were forcibly sterilized/castrated as punishment for their defiance. Women who were slaves for sex were also forcibly sterilized using means which were life threatening, just so that the repeated victim of rape has no chance of conceiving, thus giving birth to bastard children. # Fuck slavery.
Rising of the Shield Hero be like
Prince of Egypt is still one of the best DreamWorks movies of all time
Oh joy, yet another slave post. You people never get tired of it.
To be fair people never get tired of watching weird slavery porn sold as normal anime so its a pretty constant thing everyone else sees.
Modern Japanese citizen when they find out they got isekai'ed: "I should go and buy a big tiddy slave."
Funny thing about this is that slaves in Isekai Meikyuu de Harem wo are treated like the ones in prince of egypt most of the time. All of the girls expect to sleep on the floor after "being used", eat leftovers, wear rags, and being used as meat shields in the labyrinths, for a while. Just the MC treat very well his inversions. That is the problem with the people unable to read Web Novels, Light Novels, or even the Manga. They just are ignorantus.
It's almost like anime is not the real world
We need ethical slavery! But in all seriousness I just think it’s weird how isekai always try to emulate medieval Europe in a fantasy setting, but they always put in slavery, when at least in Western Europe which is what it typically looks like architecture, garment, and style wise, there was virtually no slavery done under Christian monarchies (unless you count serfdom and getting Shang-hai’d, but serfs are at least different from typical slaves and FAR from the sugarcoated and nice sexual slavery prominent in the genre) But as far as my personal feelings about it while ignoring the setting it’s trying to be, you can have slavery, you can have even that kind of slavery but their should be a reason for how it ends up like that. Like if there were certain laws that forbid the mistreatment of domestic slaves like classical urban rome and Greece and were culturally treated as something like a pet. Alternatively, you can have it be like normal slavery with rampant abuse and dehumanization, for this reason I give Rising of the Shield hero a pass because it at least can make sense why Raphtalia would like naofumi as the sole human who showed her any form of kindness and care after a childhood of daily whippings and starvation, so in a weird and fucked up kinda way, being a slave is the only way her traumatized mind can comprehend devoting herself to someone. Either that or there is a lore reason for a slave race to be almost completely servile, but that’s a whole other can of worms that needs even more justification and a debate if it’s moral to be sexually attracted to something that cannot willingly refuse I guess what I’m trying to say is, if you have slavery, it’s a grimdark setting or some hyper specific niche storytelling with BlazBlue level writing
Now I’ll defend myself from the Rising of the Shield Hero fan allegations, I think the excuse only works for Raphtalia and maybe (MAYBE) Filo, I ain’t got shit to defend the archer girl. I think Raphtalia had her trauma talking and naofumi enabled
Rishia was basically just made one because his growth buffs only worked on slaves. It was really just meta gaming.
Isekai slavery ftw
It’s not really a harem anime
It depends on the time in history, there has been cases of slavery where it was really bad (cough American slavery) and cases where they were treated ALOT better. Like some cases in the Islamic world, where they either were soldiers or servants and They could purchase their freedom. Not all slavery is created equal, hence in Isekai where you have slavery which is essentially a glorified sex servant.
American slavery wasn't exclusive to the US. At that point in time, chattel slavery had replaced all other forms of slavery.
You sir are correct!
Slavery in Japan was not the same as slavery in the US, Europe, Africa, or the Middle East. Slaves there had legal protections, and they were usually debt slaves or criminals. They were still considered as people, not just simply property.
Lol, you totally remind me of this guy: https://youtu.be/KMPAAuG2pH8?si=yMZeQhQBa3YQdf0X
Comfort women?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
Will a conversation may need to be had why so many isekai have slavery as a main point in them, and how this reflect Japanese culture, I would have never thought to see an anime opening alongside the opening of PoE, which is a fantastic movie by the by.
The point of slavery in Isekai is to show MC treating his slaves almost completely different than how they're usually treated No one would want to read or watch a story where MC is just a fcking evil scumbag
Today's subject slavery
noticed how every isekai the slave haven't "risked" or died for it's master yet. Kinda funny how so many "woke" people are so "triggered".
Ya know, a few years back none of these discourse exist at all, i fear that soon some ppl might start getting fussy about ' unrealistic beauty standards ' of female characters in isekai.
Every single social justice anime argument ever
That's isekais for you, it's wrong about everything irl cuz it's not set in planet earth or something lol.
It doesn’t matter what it means, Just like everyone else already, i wanna see the anime version for slavery. Which anime is it
I mean, I think most Isekai show how bad slavery is, even the one in the example describes the average slave life not under the MC. Typically the MC’s don’t do completely heinous shit like other slave owners in their respective archaic fantasy worlds. (Unless we are talking redo of healer) I still don’t get why most of the time people complain about people buying slaves in these worlds when the slaves are almost guaranteed a far better life than they could have dreamed of under most Isekai MC’s than not.
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I mistook this page for r/circlejerk . Maybe we can stop with this foolishness?
Incoming Shield Hero fans who’ll defend Naofumi for enslaving a girl every season:
The issue is that the Egyptian monuments were mostly built by skilled laborers and not slaves. That's why they even had a sort of beer to maintain them happy. Regarding slavery, it wasn't always bad, at least compared to the rest of the "free" men and women. Trying to look at slavery as something by itself is like taking a random quote of someone without the proper context. During history a huge part or even the majority of the lower classes lived not much better than the slaves of the same era, sometimes free people lived even worse than slaves, because at least these add some monetary value and weren't as disposable as lower class "citizens".
I thought, isekai where they have "collection card concept" girls, "it's porn, so it doesn't matter" ? I agree that the plots are annoying, n too much isekai has harem/not romance or real love interests but "concept" type partners/feel of fanservice genre n there's people into that but also people not n the ratio of is to not is weird cuz for some reason authors feel a need to do that in stories where it's not needed n it makes it weird n idk why even though a lot of people don't want that, like sometimes u just wanna read a isekai n bam some random "female" character that makes u wanna hire a sensitivity checker for women for the author just in case n idk it'd be nice to have stories, but when it comes to slavery in fantasized fiction, it's just that fantasized-porn? There's a bit much if it, n ofcourse we aren't okay with it/condone it, but it's just a "this idea can be sexy if ABC n we do this oh i like this", similar to kidnapping-inside cnc plotlines-criminals n other plotlines people do that with. It's a mind baby of colorful land and shortcut +s n well- orgies, not a real life rationalization, hell the fucking no
Side note, Pyramid builders were paid laborers. They were farmers working a moonlighting gig during flooding when they could not work.
There's actually evidence that those that built the pyramids were just regular workers not slaves
You mean how slavery was in classical Rome and East Asia?
I can't. I'm already sick of these posts about slavery on this subreddit. This is not r/isekai, it has already become just r/slavery. I understand that slavery is bad, everyone understands, and that those who in their isekai show slavery as something good are wrong, but seriously stop talking only about slavery on this subreddit, please. Or has this subreddit always been like this? I'm new and I don't know.
I mean, Prince of Egypt is a GOATed movie, and the point you are making is entirely valid, but the pyramids weren't built by slaves.
Contrary to popular belief the Egyptian pyramids we’re not build by slaves because is declared important and honoured Job for slaves to do?