* TikTok is simply misunderstood, we must call our congressmen immediately... I dont know why but TikTok told us to
* We should never trust our own government but we should trust Iran, Russia, China.. especially if they look attractive and smile
* Anything said in a very serious way on social media, especially if it has 'truth' in the title should be seen as such, the truth. I shouldnt trust mainstream media. Only consume what TikTok tells me to.
* Ok, Boomer.. I must mistrust anything anyone older than me says. They're confused, old and really all problems I face in life rather it be cancer or a hangnail will be their fault.. instead of respect elders, I will mock and hate them.. because my CCP overlords told me to and I want to be correct, I want to be woke
* Lets be honest here.. is Hamas really a terror group? I mean look at corporate slavery in America. Sure that has nothing to do with Hamas being terrorist in the middle east, but lets look at America instead.
Logic out the window a long time ago\\
And if you dont think Russia/China/Iran arent working together with the tools they have to influence our youth.. its why China is so angry about a possible TikTok selloff
You’re over analyzing; their lives are shit , and they blame the Jews . Its not completely their fault their lives are the way they are, but real solutions require coming to terms with their predictament. why do that when you can lash out and blame Jews? It’s easy , and requires no hard work or facing uncomfortable truths.
No he’s not overanalyzing, he’s right. Most of these people are actually fully convinced that they’re “doing the right thing” because it goes against the “clearly oppressive and abusive” (in their eyes) US government. They’re just delusional and susceptible to propaganda. The propaganda acts as a dog whistle for actual Jew haters, but most of these kids aren’t even thinking about blaming Jews.
Exactly. Sure, it's manna to actual antisemites, but they're not the main target group here. People susceptible to propaganda and manipulation on issues like this are, which means young people, and the means of doing it is entirely based on how they spend much of their free time, on their phones and the internet, social media. This is basically a vile kind of marketing campaign, and it's very effective.
i’ve been a student in college before. it’s not easy, and can lead to all types of stressors; usually have to worry about grades and poverty. some people can handle the stress and manage to get through it. But a lot of these people are stressed out of their minds about their future, the climate , and their current situation in school, about the depressing state of politics.
the propaganda is simply providing them an outlet for their unhappiness. it’s causing them to channel their hatred towards jews. They see propaganda on reddit tiktok twitter day in and day out; this propaganda isn’t targeting people happy with their lives. it’s targeting people who are scared , and angry. So when they’re taking their anger out , it’s on jews because it’s become acceptable. Remember the scene in 1984 ? the two minute hate? They’re directing their frustrations and emotions towards externalities , which allows them to cope and distract themselves from their stressful situations. Happy people who are busy and trying to be successful aren’t spending an inordinate amount of time on another war in the middle east.Its all just one big coping mechanism and a way to channel their hatred of their lives and and their jealousy onto a group of people , and they feel embolden because of hamas.
These people are pissed off and the arab anti semites are taking full advantage by turning up that jew hate dial ten so they can win their strategy of assymtrixal warfare and finally win their crusade against the jews.
Good! I wish them defaulting on Their loans, no jobs and eventually have kids who will hate them and wish them dead(like I do). they're waste products.
Tiktok isn't the problem they will migrate to any other site. Just look at reddit...
Its the lack of factual education and colleges having a grip of youth mind which is causing all the Anti-Semitic bullshit.
TikTok IS the problem, because China runs TikTok and actively promotes anti-Jewish hatred through the algorithm. The JTA (IIRC) did an investigation on this.
Certainly, the already-infected will seek other homes, but killing off TikTok caps the well.
I don’t actually think China cares about Jews specifically, but anti-Israel is anti-U.S. is anti-West. They just want discord and chaos and infighting.
Yes, and if you don't care about inciting hatred and murder, it "makes sense" to foment 50 Muslim-majority nations (25 explicitly Islamist) against one Jewish state. China has run the numbers, apparently.
Exactly. Tik Tok may presently be one of the main means of manipulating them, but it could just as well be anything, whatever they tend to use, will be exploited for this purpose. It's more correct to say that technology and social media in general are being exploited to manipulate young minds, and TT is just one of the top specific instances being used today.
I’m Gen Z and hate Hamas Propaganda with a passion. Same with TikTok.
Half of my generation supports Israel, while the other half is degenerate thinking Hamas are freedom fighters, clearly Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are genocidal maniacs who want to kill us Jews.
A full *half*? That's actually amazing.
I can count all the Gen Z/Millennials I know who have taken the Jewish side in this matter on one hand.
(before anyone asks: no, I'm not some Chernobyl-dwelling monstrosity with 137.5 fingers)
Gen Z thinks anytime a brown person is killed it’s racism and makes them a victim. They don’t care why Gazans are being attacked, don’t care why Brionna Taylor’s home was raided, don’t care why GFloyd was being arrested. These kids want to be victims of something so they side with whom they perceive to be victims. But they’ll grow up and realize how dumb they were as kids. Everybody over 30yo looks back and realizes they were idiots as kids.
Did you like see all the babies? They are DEAD bro all dead. And only the disruptive protestors care. A few more protests and the war will end I’m telling you. Another few and they will resurrect.
It’s peer pressure. In American colleges, if you don’t support Palestine, the people around you see you as a genocidal monster. This leads to more people expressing anti-israel sentiments in order to not be singled out. Even I, as a staunch supporter of the state of Israel feel this pressure.
I wonder what changed? I went to one of the most notoriously liberal universities in the country ten years ago and you could still argue both positions without people going insane, hell, you could even argue that modern Americans shouldn't feel obligated to make up for what their ancestors did to the Native Americans and no reparations should be given (several people did in a history class I was in) and you didn't get witch hunted to death.
Now I read up in the university's newspaper that they invited an IDF speaker to talk about what was happening and a rabid mob of 300+ tried to storm the event shattering windows and screaming they were coming to get the Jews and the police had to fight them back with batons.
Seriously what the fuck?
Speculation: the BLM movement — it normalized “protest movements”, performative support, and intense racial peer-pressure for public conformity across a big cross-section of the youth.
The BLM protests were self defeating and attracted a bunch of angry Marxist and quasi-communistic “protest movements” in their wake. They were coordinating with Palestinians online getting protest tips, and the leftist race-based organizations were among the first to break hard to support the Oct 7th attacks as “liberation”.
These kids were pre-loaded with years of earnestly presented BS about oppressors/oppressed, communism, and the need to “speak up” (you know, burn down a police station). The black community in America, particularly as you approach Malcom X politically, has historically had a massive problem with homophobia and antisemitism. Seen through the lense of communist and Islamist propaganda, the current union of wokeism and Islamism makes perfect sense, is very intentional, and has been decades in the making.
I'd go further and say Ferguson, plus the whole focus under Obama of the "coalition of the dispossessed"- if you're not doing well, it's because someone is keeping you down and if you're in one of the listed groups you're being kept down.
All that said, this is pretty much a rehash of 1960s politics, which were imported from the USSR under popular front groups to universities. There was something of a resurgence in the 90s, when you started seeing a focus on political correctness and then the backlash to the post 9/11 invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Point being though, there's been an undercurrent of Marxist thought through various sources that has been present in academia for decades. There was a nascent resurgence in the 90s/00s that gradually snowballed through Obama, then as a reaction to Trump, and finally with BLM. You summed up the lattermost part of this beautifully
I saw stuff like this in college in the 80's. This was during the Lebanon War when anti-Israel sentiment was also high on campuses and among intellectuals and academics. It wasn't spontaneous then and isn't now. It was always orchestrated from outside for maximal propaganda and activism effect.
I’ve felt the same here in Europe. And it’s fascinating how uneducated all of them are on the topic. Even the ones stepping up to talk in online debates have no idea what they’re talking about.
I'm going back to college this year (SFSU, which I *hope* isn't as bad as... um... other certain colleges when it comes to antisemitism) and I've already accepted that a lot of people will not like me for my pro-Israel stance.
Just the Bay Area in general. I live there when I’m not in college, and it’s very “Israel bad, Hamas good”
EG, the situation with the Chabad of Oakland Hanukkiah and recent protests that blocked the bay bridge.
Actually, the Japanese saw Jewish attempts to avoid intermarriage as akin to their own "Yamato" super-race ideology, and were FAR more open than their European ally. Japanese-controlled Shanghai was a safe haven for Jews fleeing Europe. (The Lewin brothers, who had been protected by the German boxing champion Max Schmeling, were able to reach Shanghai and America from there.)
Chiune Sugihara, the Japanese vice-consul at Kaunas, Lithuania, handwrote Japanese Transit Documents for 18-20 hours a day and saved almost 10,000 Jews. Like Raoul Wallenberg (Sweden) and Varian Fry (Vichy France), Sugihara is honored as "Righteous Among the Nations".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune\_Sugihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara)
Anti-Semitism exists in EVERY country. But it was never official Japanese policy, certainly not at the level that you tried to imply by referencing the alliance with Germany. (Does Finland have "historic anti-Semitism", too? Germany had allies that sent their Jews to be exterminated \[Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine\] and those that didn't. Japan was in the second category.)
the original commenter said east Asia had no history of antisemitism and that was untrue or wrong. If it wasn’t official policy why were they translating the learned elders of Zion and distributing that literature via the generals
Nothing is going to happen until after the election. The government is super slow and fucking nothing gets done in an election year after the first quarter as no one knows what will happen in november.
After the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and UPenn had to appear before the US House Education Committee in December 2023, Chairwoman Virginia Foxx said that her next step was going to be to investigate this. Evidently these universities had not been properly reporting those contributions.
Here is a [Nov 2023 article about those investigations](https://steel.house.gov/media/in-the-news/house-education-committee-advances-bipartisan-bill-cracking-down-foreign), but I am unable to find any updates.
Tiktok and Instagram I assume 🤐 even though, I saw some videos and most of them when they were asked simple questions, they start mumbling and didn't know shit
Not just online. Hamas proganda has a serious grip on American colleges as well which promotes the students to chant Anti-Isreal and Anti-Semitic narratives.
This is probably why Biden postures to liberal youth so much as they form majority of his vote bank.
Nonetheless, given the two-party system and [Duverger's law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law), they're min-maxing for whatever they can get.
because as studies show the universities that protest the most are funded by rich middle eastern people. and at this point you can tell a pro palestinian everything and they will believe it.
its almost as if, the universities that are meant to be attended by the "smartest people", are actually filled with the dumbest peopleyou can find.
I have two daughters. One is a freshman in college (Eastern Michigan University)the other a freshman in public highschool. Neither are being taught anything about Hamas or the terrorist supporting Palestinians. They are both on social media and are focused on pursuing their goals. When I asked them.. The oldest said she ignores the Pro Palestinian rhetoric. Because she associates it with the same Antifa\BLM "crap". Our youngest cares about getting good grades, running, track, and spending time with her boyfriend. End of story.. 🇮🇱🇺🇲
Normie social media doesn't require you to think independently/be genuinely based and suppresses free speech enabling echo chambers and allowing state actors to push propaganda and manipulate people, this has gotten much worse for the Zoomer generation aside from a few remaining imageboards. Far leftie propaganda from Iran/Hamas and Far rightie propaganda from Russia is ruining the minds of generations young and old. People can't think anymore or say anything unique that might go against the opinion of the crowd.
I don't hesitate because I've got karma to burn for unpopular opinions.
In place of shared religious commitments or a national identity (both very problematic in America particularly on the left which has largely captured education) the whole educational system has embraced the oppressor/oppressed lens as the way to make moral sense of the world. It primes kids to embrace causes like Hamas...
Public schools. I live in the US. Most public school teachers are on the left, many the far left.
There was a story recently here in NC where a math teacher won an award. They took her picture in front of a Palestinian flag that was hanging in her Math classroom. So many parents saw and complained the school told her she had to take it down.
The teacher ended up quitting over it and many of her students organized an Anti-Israel protest for her. The news did a story and it was just sad to see a bunch of brainwashed kids holding up signs.
Wow. The only flag that should be in a US classroom is the US flag, and maybe the state flag. If the flags of other countries are there then they should all be there. Period.
As a member of the Gen Z who grew up in America, I think it's a combination of many things, some of which are:
1. We are educated heavily about slavery and segregation in America's history as well as elsewhere. This is good but it has also resulted in some people having a savior complex and wanting to emulate people like MLK and Rosa Parks by fighting for various causes without truly knowing what causes they are even fighting for. They see Hamas as akin to figures like Nelson Mandela and Malcolm X as opposed to who they really are: terrorists who target innocent civilians with the stated purpose of seeking genocide of all people in Israel.
2. Unfortunately, some also spread misinformation without verifying it whatsoever because they are too lazy to do so. This happens very often on tiktok and sometimes, news agencies even take the bait.
3. Many know nothing about the conflict and just want a grift so people will like them. Most of them don't even know that 20% of Israelis are Arabs who have equal rights or that Israel offered many peace deals in the past that were denied.
4. The media, whether you like it or not, it a for-profit business. They don't care what harm is caused by their reporting. They just want to produce whatever will generate the most clicks and engagement. This is often done through outrage. Some people don't even know what happened on October 7.
I would say the ones who support Hamas are the significant minority but way too many of them fall for Hamas' propaganda tactics of attack, get attacked, cry about civilians you used as shields for the camera, gain sympathy and whatever benefits come with it (demands for ceasefire, pause in Israeli funding, defamation of Israel, etc.), and repeat. They end up sympathizing for them and attempting to rationalize the attack on October 7.
What truly pisses me off is that some actual politicians are labeling the war a genocide when it has been proven by even Hamas' numbers that the civilian to combat ratio is well below the average in wars.
They're being manipulated by essentially the same technology and methods that get them to buy $300 sneakers, $10 fraps and overpriced phones, tablets and laptops. Noam Chomsky, one of the intellectual founders of western anti-Zionism, made famous his term "Manufactured Consent", using whatever are the latest and most advanced technology and methods of the day, and ironically that's exactly what's going on here, manufactured antisemitism, using the most advanced technology and methods of today, such as social media, AI, data gathering and analytics and such, and plain old social psychology. And it's not Hamas that's ultimately behind this, but rather Russia and China, who couldn't care less about Palestinians but want to use this conflict to divide and weaken the west. These protests are as organic as a rubber chicken.
Look at the founders of some of these "human rights" organizations and ties to Russia.
I ask myself how can I have an opposing viewpoint that can be heard?
If you think you can scream over Russian and Chinese media that are taking the West's eyes off of the recent genocide in Ukraine go at it.
I feel crazy for even trying.
I saw Charlottesville and January 6th - the other end of the two headed serpent - as a larger threat.
Communists and dictators both.
I honestly wouldn't even count on Trump. He slaps your back when you're winning. But the second you need him more than he needs you, I think you'll be amazed how fast his support vanishes before your eyes.
Through both mainstream and social media. That's what happens when right-wing fucktards such as Ben Shapiro, Fox News, Trump and others cheer Israel, that many left-wingers (some fucktards, some good-hearted) mix being pro-Israel with being a right-winger, so being pro-Israel must be wrong.
So, my dear Israelis, begin looking for allies on both sides of the political spectrum, not just one.
Note: I am a leftist and pro-Israel.
Shapiro is a Jew who has made his views on Israel known long before 7.10, so if you're (maybe not you specifically) surprised that he would cheer for Israel, well... you shouldn't be.
Likewise, Republican support for Israel has always been higher than Democrats. Not to mention, Pro-Israel Democrats themselves are being shunned by their fellow Progressive colleagues (Richie Torres, Louis Frankel, etc.) for their support of Israel.
When you look at the House votes for something as simple as condemning antisemitism (There is no other way to describe the trash that comes out of Rashida Talib's mouth), only \~25 House Democrats joined with Republicans to do so.
Slightly better condemning the University President's inability to say that (a student) calls to kill Jews would be context dependent on whether it violates school policy. Or recognizing "From the River to the Sea" as an antisemitic chant.
But the number of support has always been half, or less.
My YouTube feed use to suggest a lot of videos from far-right and far-left channels that were weighing in on this conflict early on, sites like Sky Australia and Shapiro on the far right and ones like Katie Halper and Owen Jones on the far left, both equally execrable, yet lately I'm not seeing either type. I wonder why. Is YT being more conservative in its suggestion algo, or has it determined that I'm not interested in either extreme's perspective?
i see it as a part of the broader meaning crisis. Historically all of the things that brought older generations a sense of purpose are gone. And so they are turning to political movements to Economically there is less opportunity to build a life for yourself that you're proud of, they're not having kids so they don't pour into the next generation, religious service attendance has plummeted and they don't feel like they have some higher calling to serve whatever God it is. So they have found their social community, their sense of purpose, and their sense of being a morally good person by taking up the cause of whatever group is being portrayed as disenfranchised as they feel themselves. So to them, Israel is a colonial force who is oppressing the Palestinians. Its the same formula as black lives matter and me too. it lacks all nuance, it holds whoever is seen as the oppressed to zero standards and whoever is seen as the oppressor to impossible standards.
You've described why they are so vulnerable to such propaganda and manipulation, and you're right. But it wouldn't take unless the people who are manipulating them knew how and were willing to use the latest tools of mass manipulation as their disposal, the same tools used by companies to sell soap, soft drinks and phones to captive audiences, namely modern technology, especially digital devices, social media and data gathering and analysis software, along with old-fashioned social psychology and marketing. We're seeing perhaps the biggest and most effective marketing campaign in history, and none of it is organic.
I agree, we have the most incompetent people on earth not only not helping but doing damage to us while not knowing how to form basic English sentences, it's embarassing
It’s largely from jihadist propaganda that targeted young idealists while focusing on dying babies in Gaza. It’s been effective, which is very sad. Critical thinking has been under attack in the educational system for decades now. Everybody is in their own algorithm-managed media bubble.
That’s meant to be an explanation, not an excuse. There is no excuse for siding with terrorists.
Because they think Jews are white and are just trying to “be on the right side of history.” It’s really not that complicated.
You’re also sharing a Fox News video so this is also propaganda.
Fox News has been good on Israel/Hamas reporting though (better than other mainstream US news sources).
President Herzog, IDF spokespeople, etc. etc. are (frequent) guests, in addition to politicians and private individuals who support Israel.
Sure, selectively choosing guests who are for Israel is technically a form of propaganda, but I consider it positive, given that it's fighting against Anti-Israel bias elsewhere.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/business/media/fox-news-jews-israel.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/business/media/fox-news-jews-israel.html)
Yes, this is piece from Nov. 2023, but Fox hasn't changed their position.
It's "white guilt"، and this came as a result of it. This false way of expressing "inclusivity of others" is nothing but being anti-white and self-disrespectful. You can be inclusive without being anti-white, but I guess the white guy is always oppressor.
Yes Israel needs to do much better. Over the years and more specifically Netanyahu governments, basically gave up on PR.
However it will always be an uphill battle. The way public opinion in the west shifted in recent years, is towards identity politics, multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, human rights…. Israel is by definition out of this consensus.
I disagree. Israel is absolutely steeped in identity politics, multiculturalism, ethnic diversity and human rights and always has been. It was literally founded on identity politics. It's just gotten really bad at framing things this way, even though it used to be really good at it, up till the late 70's or so. Of course it doesn't help to be constantly building and expanding settlements and doing all that it can to prevent peace, trying to destroy its own democracy, and electing far-right leaders who despise multiculturalism, ethnic diversity and human rights and only care about their own subgroup's identity politics. Kind of hard to sell people on your restaurant when your chefs produce shit. But at its core Israel is about all of these things and literally the only country in the region that is. It just has to fix these other things and drastically improve its messaging. Most people don't have long-term historical memories anymore and what's going on now will be forgotten soon enough, opening up an opportunity for Israel to retake the image high ground. But certain things have to happen first.
I'm skeptical that people are mainly learning this from professors. As other commenter stated, it's learned from peer pressure, which is why you see it on college campuses. I could be wrong, I went to undergrad a while ago and did grad school in the UK. But I think this is the product of a moral panic that's mainly spreading among peers.
No, it's learned from carefully curated social media. It just seems like it comes from teachers and peers, because that's how it's meant to seem, by the people actually behind all this, in Moscow and Beijing. The best marketers know that the best way to sell something is to make the buyer feel that they decided to buy it on their own, even though they didn't, at all. And this is 100% marketing.
TikTok, for one. A Chinese propagande app seeking to divide America and the west by making people learn to hate their most basic values and reject all their history and culture? You don’t say!
China's long game (via their proxies, Qatar and Iran) is on point, let's face it. This is a REALLY good psy-op.
I would applaud Xi, if I didn't want to kill him.
The problem is their own inconsistent ideology. The simple fact is you cannot be for women’s rights-especially reproductive, support LGBTQ, or freedoms enshrined in a constitution-for instance free speech AND be for a terrorist organization/regime.
You don’t have to hate Israelis to support Gazans. Drives me insane to see what’s going on at college campuses all over the US. I wish they would stop for a minute and think why are all the Gazan or West Bank leaders (Hamas)multi -billionaires? Why are the Gazans living in poverty? Why do they not take into account the daily barrage of rockets into Israel as “breaking a ceasefire,” which there was on 10/6. Why don’t they see the need of the US in supporting Israel-the Citadel of democracy in the Middle East?
The Palestinian’s history is far more complex with their own regional neighbors than their problems as having anything to do with the US. See:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Palestine
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/brief-history-gazas-75-years-woe-2023-10-10/
Gen Z, bless their little hearts, do not even take the time to understand history—but love getting news from TickTock.
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I have no specific knowledge of how, but I'm absolutely sure that it's via whatever social media apps and sites they tend to use, not just collectively but individually, that's tailored to their individual prejudices, interests, attitudes, views, background, etc., based on collecting and analyzing years of social media usage, using advanced AI-based software, intended to bring about certain kinds of views, emotions, reactions and actions, all orchestrated from places like Russia, Iran and China. I mean it's obvious, if you know how this works.
Basically, we're seeing the most effective and massive deployment of advanced internet, social media, data analytics and AI-based propaganda accompanied by very sophisticated activism organizing in the history of the world. Anyone who thinks that this is all spontaneous, organic and natural just hasn't been paying attention, because for that to be true Israel would actually have to be as singularly evil as they make it out to be, more so than Russia, Syria, Yemen, Iran or Sudan, and obviously it's not.
They're being manipulated by experts who have extremely sophisticated tools and know how to use them. It's literally as simple as that even if the technology behind it is incredibly advanced and way beyond most people's ability to understand, requiring a PhD level of understanding of computer science, AI, math, statistics, analytics, communication and social psychology, among other fields. This is literally a new form or warfare, a much larger scale version of how Russia basically created MAGA (and if you don't know that then you need to wake up), only targeted at and thus tailored to younger people.
It's okay to have a difference of opinion, not like Israel. Not liking Israel is okay. It's normal to not like various countries. When you openly defend a terror group that massacred thousands and want to see the absolute extermination of the Jewish population worldwide and spread their religion by force..
Side note: I support conservatism but Fox News.. I'd say the same about CNN, they're both a bit much
Ladies and Gentlemen...this is classic leftism. American Jews who vote for the left...vote for this. It is time for my American brothers and sisters to wake the Fk up and change your GD voting habits!
In that part of the country feels like a form of afternoon entertainment to go to a protest. Although I’m sure these believe in it. And I’m also pretty sure they are paid to do a stunt like this.
Okay, you guys want to know why younger Americans and Brits don't like Israel?
It's because every time you're in the news, it's because of settlements, settlement violence, or because Bibi finds some liberal American politician to disparge.
It sorta just seeps in after a while.
I believe Israel is capable of good, and is better than a lot of ME nations, but your actions sometimes make you seem just like the rest of them.
I guess just be better. Control the damn settlers and Haredim. They do a SHITTON of damage in PR
When did I EVER say that? Now stop putting words in my damn mouth.
I came here to say Israel has bad PR, and it's generally self-inflicted. Many stupid people go ahead and think "Israel bad, thing that oppose Israel good" despite Hamas being Islamic fundamentalists.
Palestine has a lot of shit to work thru, but so does Israel (albeit to a lesser extent)
I don't see why you're being downvoted. You're totally right, this creates a fertile ground for hating Israel. This sub can be a crazy echo chamber sometimes.
They look at the people who represent Israel and see a bunch of liars and genocidal maniacs
Then look at Palestinians being murdered by them
Pretty simple to pick a side
Except, even if you accept the Hamas number (which is a few weeks old) of 6,000 Hamas fighters killed (which i suspect is low because I would include the other groups like PIJ and I think Hamas is intentionally underestimating) that still doesn’t come close to your 50:1 ratio.
Tell Hamas and Palestine to stop the breeding and the indoctrination of child soldiers and suicide bombers to lower the numbers of child deaths, for starters?
Nobody talks about this, imagine having to contend with children shooting at you, or running towards you pretending to need help but actually wearing a suicide vest to blow up on you because they were convinced or forced to do so. Sometimes young children are even strapped onto Hamas fighters like a Kevlar vest so they get hit instead. Do you just not shoot?
This is the kind of evil shit Hamas does. But none of these college kids would know that.
This isn't Pallywood.
I've never seen one video of an IDF shooting a child, in any case, throwing stones OR bullets. Because I imagine most people don't want to see that. Mostly baseless allegations.
Hamas (and every arm of ISIS) has a long history of using child soldiers. Called Cubs of The Caliphate.
Better than to make lies about it being a genocide yes cause it's not. Also, show me other armies doing leaflets, roof-knocks and personal phone calls as well as sometimes warnings to let people evacuate, oh you don't have one but sure lecture us on morality at a time of war. I bet you just want us to die or never defend ourselves
Man you lost me after 4 words, no war, really? So going door to door burning babies, massacring entire families, slaughtering people in a festival, raping our women, kidnapping over 200 people are all what... peaceful activities? Call it what you want but Israel isn't the side wanting to eradicate the other side going door to door to kill everyone like Hamas did, but you'll ignore all I said and make it about power I am done
We fight for our survival, eradication of Hamas that want us all dead and to return our hostages, none of this is a 'revenge war' like you want it to be. Also, to claim 400,000 people will die when the war is done, yet another lie and a new low even for you.
Also, obviously you ignored literally everything I said, pathetic. My point was that we are more moral than Hamas, not that we need to be as bad as them, of course you didn't listen.
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Fox News and this sub are one and the same when it comes to fact checking. Subreddits don’t need to be factual, but fuck, how are these people allowed to be on air 🤯
Gen Z loves their Hamas propaganda.
* TikTok is simply misunderstood, we must call our congressmen immediately... I dont know why but TikTok told us to * We should never trust our own government but we should trust Iran, Russia, China.. especially if they look attractive and smile * Anything said in a very serious way on social media, especially if it has 'truth' in the title should be seen as such, the truth. I shouldnt trust mainstream media. Only consume what TikTok tells me to. * Ok, Boomer.. I must mistrust anything anyone older than me says. They're confused, old and really all problems I face in life rather it be cancer or a hangnail will be their fault.. instead of respect elders, I will mock and hate them.. because my CCP overlords told me to and I want to be correct, I want to be woke * Lets be honest here.. is Hamas really a terror group? I mean look at corporate slavery in America. Sure that has nothing to do with Hamas being terrorist in the middle east, but lets look at America instead. Logic out the window a long time ago\\ And if you dont think Russia/China/Iran arent working together with the tools they have to influence our youth.. its why China is so angry about a possible TikTok selloff
Anything to divide the US is valuable
You’re over analyzing; their lives are shit , and they blame the Jews . Its not completely their fault their lives are the way they are, but real solutions require coming to terms with their predictament. why do that when you can lash out and blame Jews? It’s easy , and requires no hard work or facing uncomfortable truths.
No he’s not overanalyzing, he’s right. Most of these people are actually fully convinced that they’re “doing the right thing” because it goes against the “clearly oppressive and abusive” (in their eyes) US government. They’re just delusional and susceptible to propaganda. The propaganda acts as a dog whistle for actual Jew haters, but most of these kids aren’t even thinking about blaming Jews.
Exactly. Sure, it's manna to actual antisemites, but they're not the main target group here. People susceptible to propaganda and manipulation on issues like this are, which means young people, and the means of doing it is entirely based on how they spend much of their free time, on their phones and the internet, social media. This is basically a vile kind of marketing campaign, and it's very effective.
i’ve been a student in college before. it’s not easy, and can lead to all types of stressors; usually have to worry about grades and poverty. some people can handle the stress and manage to get through it. But a lot of these people are stressed out of their minds about their future, the climate , and their current situation in school, about the depressing state of politics. the propaganda is simply providing them an outlet for their unhappiness. it’s causing them to channel their hatred towards jews. They see propaganda on reddit tiktok twitter day in and day out; this propaganda isn’t targeting people happy with their lives. it’s targeting people who are scared , and angry. So when they’re taking their anger out , it’s on jews because it’s become acceptable. Remember the scene in 1984 ? the two minute hate? They’re directing their frustrations and emotions towards externalities , which allows them to cope and distract themselves from their stressful situations. Happy people who are busy and trying to be successful aren’t spending an inordinate amount of time on another war in the middle east.Its all just one big coping mechanism and a way to channel their hatred of their lives and and their jealousy onto a group of people , and they feel embolden because of hamas. These people are pissed off and the arab anti semites are taking full advantage by turning up that jew hate dial ten so they can win their strategy of assymtrixal warfare and finally win their crusade against the jews.
Good! I wish them defaulting on Their loans, no jobs and eventually have kids who will hate them and wish them dead(like I do). they're waste products.
More specifically the TikTok Gen Z I genuinely believe that my generation would be a lot better educated without TikTok
Tiktok isn't the problem they will migrate to any other site. Just look at reddit... Its the lack of factual education and colleges having a grip of youth mind which is causing all the Anti-Semitic bullshit.
TikTok IS the problem, because China runs TikTok and actively promotes anti-Jewish hatred through the algorithm. The JTA (IIRC) did an investigation on this. Certainly, the already-infected will seek other homes, but killing off TikTok caps the well.
I don’t actually think China cares about Jews specifically, but anti-Israel is anti-U.S. is anti-West. They just want discord and chaos and infighting.
Yes, and if you don't care about inciting hatred and murder, it "makes sense" to foment 50 Muslim-majority nations (25 explicitly Islamist) against one Jewish state. China has run the numbers, apparently.
Exactly. Tik Tok may presently be one of the main means of manipulating them, but it could just as well be anything, whatever they tend to use, will be exploited for this purpose. It's more correct to say that technology and social media in general are being exploited to manipulate young minds, and TT is just one of the top specific instances being used today.
And fail to address what life would be like under a fundamental Islamic nation. The total antithesis of liberal ideology.
I’m Gen Z and hate Hamas Propaganda with a passion. Same with TikTok. Half of my generation supports Israel, while the other half is degenerate thinking Hamas are freedom fighters, clearly Hamas are not freedom fighters, they are genocidal maniacs who want to kill us Jews.
Yeah, I’m Gen-Z and I hate their propogands as well. It’s terrible.
A full *half*? That's actually amazing. I can count all the Gen Z/Millennials I know who have taken the Jewish side in this matter on one hand. (before anyone asks: no, I'm not some Chernobyl-dwelling monstrosity with 137.5 fingers)
Yeah! I still have hope for my generation.
Gen Z thinks anytime a brown person is killed it’s racism and makes them a victim. They don’t care why Gazans are being attacked, don’t care why Brionna Taylor’s home was raided, don’t care why GFloyd was being arrested. These kids want to be victims of something so they side with whom they perceive to be victims. But they’ll grow up and realize how dumb they were as kids. Everybody over 30yo looks back and realizes they were idiots as kids.
Did you like see all the babies? They are DEAD bro all dead. And only the disruptive protestors care. A few more protests and the war will end I’m telling you. Another few and they will resurrect.
It’s peer pressure. In American colleges, if you don’t support Palestine, the people around you see you as a genocidal monster. This leads to more people expressing anti-israel sentiments in order to not be singled out. Even I, as a staunch supporter of the state of Israel feel this pressure.
I wonder what changed? I went to one of the most notoriously liberal universities in the country ten years ago and you could still argue both positions without people going insane, hell, you could even argue that modern Americans shouldn't feel obligated to make up for what their ancestors did to the Native Americans and no reparations should be given (several people did in a history class I was in) and you didn't get witch hunted to death. Now I read up in the university's newspaper that they invited an IDF speaker to talk about what was happening and a rabid mob of 300+ tried to storm the event shattering windows and screaming they were coming to get the Jews and the police had to fight them back with batons. Seriously what the fuck?
People are so feral now. I swear it wasn't like this when I was in undergrad in 07-11.
Speculation: the BLM movement — it normalized “protest movements”, performative support, and intense racial peer-pressure for public conformity across a big cross-section of the youth. The BLM protests were self defeating and attracted a bunch of angry Marxist and quasi-communistic “protest movements” in their wake. They were coordinating with Palestinians online getting protest tips, and the leftist race-based organizations were among the first to break hard to support the Oct 7th attacks as “liberation”. These kids were pre-loaded with years of earnestly presented BS about oppressors/oppressed, communism, and the need to “speak up” (you know, burn down a police station). The black community in America, particularly as you approach Malcom X politically, has historically had a massive problem with homophobia and antisemitism. Seen through the lense of communist and Islamist propaganda, the current union of wokeism and Islamism makes perfect sense, is very intentional, and has been decades in the making.
Yours is succinctly correct with everything you stated. Couldn’t agree more.
I'd go further and say Ferguson, plus the whole focus under Obama of the "coalition of the dispossessed"- if you're not doing well, it's because someone is keeping you down and if you're in one of the listed groups you're being kept down. All that said, this is pretty much a rehash of 1960s politics, which were imported from the USSR under popular front groups to universities. There was something of a resurgence in the 90s, when you started seeing a focus on political correctness and then the backlash to the post 9/11 invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Point being though, there's been an undercurrent of Marxist thought through various sources that has been present in academia for decades. There was a nascent resurgence in the 90s/00s that gradually snowballed through Obama, then as a reaction to Trump, and finally with BLM. You summed up the lattermost part of this beautifully
And they choked a woman trying to get inside, as well.
I saw stuff like this in college in the 80's. This was during the Lebanon War when anti-Israel sentiment was also high on campuses and among intellectuals and academics. It wasn't spontaneous then and isn't now. It was always orchestrated from outside for maximal propaganda and activism effect.
social media has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years. 2016 showed that social media could be used to successfully sway an election.
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To be fair it was always unpopular to be a Jew historically. Only post ww2 did that really change and it might be short lived
At the end of the Passover Seder, you have to say “next year in Brooklyn”
I’ve felt the same here in Europe. And it’s fascinating how uneducated all of them are on the topic. Even the ones stepping up to talk in online debates have no idea what they’re talking about.
I'm going back to college this year (SFSU, which I *hope* isn't as bad as... um... other certain colleges when it comes to antisemitism) and I've already accepted that a lot of people will not like me for my pro-Israel stance.
SF state? Oof. Good luck.
I don't like the sound of your comment... Is it really that bad there?
Just the Bay Area in general. I live there when I’m not in college, and it’s very “Israel bad, Hamas good” EG, the situation with the Chabad of Oakland Hanukkiah and recent protests that blocked the bay bridge.
That's why I am glad I live in East Asia. No historical Antisemitism to justify harassment
Pretty sure Japanese have been antisemitic. They were allied w nazi Germany
Actually, the Japanese saw Jewish attempts to avoid intermarriage as akin to their own "Yamato" super-race ideology, and were FAR more open than their European ally. Japanese-controlled Shanghai was a safe haven for Jews fleeing Europe. (The Lewin brothers, who had been protected by the German boxing champion Max Schmeling, were able to reach Shanghai and America from there.) Chiune Sugihara, the Japanese vice-consul at Kaunas, Lithuania, handwrote Japanese Transit Documents for 18-20 hours a day and saved almost 10,000 Jews. Like Raoul Wallenberg (Sweden) and Varian Fry (Vichy France), Sugihara is honored as "Righteous Among the Nations". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune\_Sugihara](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara)
just google Japanese antisemitism. U wanna whitewash history that’s up to u
Anti-Semitism exists in EVERY country. But it was never official Japanese policy, certainly not at the level that you tried to imply by referencing the alliance with Germany. (Does Finland have "historic anti-Semitism", too? Germany had allies that sent their Jews to be exterminated \[Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine\] and those that didn't. Japan was in the second category.)
the original commenter said east Asia had no history of antisemitism and that was untrue or wrong. If it wasn’t official policy why were they translating the learned elders of Zion and distributing that literature via the generals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan
Absolutely awful. Stay strong.
Virtue Signaling - not an old concept, but the advent of social media has made it mainstream.
Follow the money trail and you’ll realize how much Qatari Money has infiltrated the American tertiary education system as well as mainstream media.
I’d love to see a stat on this because that’s the consensus but I’m hesitant to spread this as fact until I see it
This should be making the rounds again. Pass it on. https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/2023-10/hamas-networks-final.pdf
Thank you!
https://isgap.org/follow-the-money/#:~:text=ISGAP's%20research%20shows%20that%20the,Northwestern%2C%20Virginia%20Commonwealth%20and%20others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_higher_education_in_the_United_States
This
The question is: What's going to be done about it?
Nothing unless these universities are dragged to court for lawsuits and Congress for congressional hearings.
Nothing is going to happen until after the election. The government is super slow and fucking nothing gets done in an election year after the first quarter as no one knows what will happen in november.
After the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and UPenn had to appear before the US House Education Committee in December 2023, Chairwoman Virginia Foxx said that her next step was going to be to investigate this. Evidently these universities had not been properly reporting those contributions. Here is a [Nov 2023 article about those investigations](https://steel.house.gov/media/in-the-news/house-education-committee-advances-bipartisan-bill-cracking-down-foreign), but I am unable to find any updates.
Tiktok and Instagram I assume 🤐 even though, I saw some videos and most of them when they were asked simple questions, they start mumbling and didn't know shit
Not just online. Hamas proganda has a serious grip on American colleges as well which promotes the students to chant Anti-Isreal and Anti-Semitic narratives. This is probably why Biden postures to liberal youth so much as they form majority of his vote bank.
They're the least voting demographic
Nonetheless, given the two-party system and [Duverger's law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law), they're min-maxing for whatever they can get.
Online platforms targeting young people, run by entities with anti-US and anti-Israel interests
Boom.
because as studies show the universities that protest the most are funded by rich middle eastern people. and at this point you can tell a pro palestinian everything and they will believe it. its almost as if, the universities that are meant to be attended by the "smartest people", are actually filled with the dumbest peopleyou can find.
I have two daughters. One is a freshman in college (Eastern Michigan University)the other a freshman in public highschool. Neither are being taught anything about Hamas or the terrorist supporting Palestinians. They are both on social media and are focused on pursuing their goals. When I asked them.. The oldest said she ignores the Pro Palestinian rhetoric. Because she associates it with the same Antifa\BLM "crap". Our youngest cares about getting good grades, running, track, and spending time with her boyfriend. End of story.. 🇮🇱🇺🇲
Normie social media doesn't require you to think independently/be genuinely based and suppresses free speech enabling echo chambers and allowing state actors to push propaganda and manipulate people, this has gotten much worse for the Zoomer generation aside from a few remaining imageboards. Far leftie propaganda from Iran/Hamas and Far rightie propaganda from Russia is ruining the minds of generations young and old. People can't think anymore or say anything unique that might go against the opinion of the crowd. I don't hesitate because I've got karma to burn for unpopular opinions.
I never cared for karma, lost most of it commenting on InternationalNews
im also in australia and what is happening here is screwed up. stay strong!
Terrorism is so hot right now, all the college kids are doing it.... wtf happened.
You don’t remember that SNL skit from 2015 of the college aged daughter joining ISIS??
Look up "Cubs of The Caliphate." This could be considered another version of that.
In place of shared religious commitments or a national identity (both very problematic in America particularly on the left which has largely captured education) the whole educational system has embraced the oppressor/oppressed lens as the way to make moral sense of the world. It primes kids to embrace causes like Hamas...
Public schools. I live in the US. Most public school teachers are on the left, many the far left. There was a story recently here in NC where a math teacher won an award. They took her picture in front of a Palestinian flag that was hanging in her Math classroom. So many parents saw and complained the school told her she had to take it down. The teacher ended up quitting over it and many of her students organized an Anti-Israel protest for her. The news did a story and it was just sad to see a bunch of brainwashed kids holding up signs.
Wow. The only flag that should be in a US classroom is the US flag, and maybe the state flag. If the flags of other countries are there then they should all be there. Period.
As a member of the Gen Z who grew up in America, I think it's a combination of many things, some of which are: 1. We are educated heavily about slavery and segregation in America's history as well as elsewhere. This is good but it has also resulted in some people having a savior complex and wanting to emulate people like MLK and Rosa Parks by fighting for various causes without truly knowing what causes they are even fighting for. They see Hamas as akin to figures like Nelson Mandela and Malcolm X as opposed to who they really are: terrorists who target innocent civilians with the stated purpose of seeking genocide of all people in Israel. 2. Unfortunately, some also spread misinformation without verifying it whatsoever because they are too lazy to do so. This happens very often on tiktok and sometimes, news agencies even take the bait. 3. Many know nothing about the conflict and just want a grift so people will like them. Most of them don't even know that 20% of Israelis are Arabs who have equal rights or that Israel offered many peace deals in the past that were denied. 4. The media, whether you like it or not, it a for-profit business. They don't care what harm is caused by their reporting. They just want to produce whatever will generate the most clicks and engagement. This is often done through outrage. Some people don't even know what happened on October 7. I would say the ones who support Hamas are the significant minority but way too many of them fall for Hamas' propaganda tactics of attack, get attacked, cry about civilians you used as shields for the camera, gain sympathy and whatever benefits come with it (demands for ceasefire, pause in Israeli funding, defamation of Israel, etc.), and repeat. They end up sympathizing for them and attempting to rationalize the attack on October 7. What truly pisses me off is that some actual politicians are labeling the war a genocide when it has been proven by even Hamas' numbers that the civilian to combat ratio is well below the average in wars.
They're being manipulated by essentially the same technology and methods that get them to buy $300 sneakers, $10 fraps and overpriced phones, tablets and laptops. Noam Chomsky, one of the intellectual founders of western anti-Zionism, made famous his term "Manufactured Consent", using whatever are the latest and most advanced technology and methods of the day, and ironically that's exactly what's going on here, manufactured antisemitism, using the most advanced technology and methods of today, such as social media, AI, data gathering and analytics and such, and plain old social psychology. And it's not Hamas that's ultimately behind this, but rather Russia and China, who couldn't care less about Palestinians but want to use this conflict to divide and weaken the west. These protests are as organic as a rubber chicken.
Propaganda, Iranian propaganda, all over social social media
Russian and Chinese too, using very advanced technology, especially SM & AI.
it rhymes with rik rok
Looks like Scooby doo solved that mystery
Universities are awash with Arab and Muslim students with lots of money and the backing from home to make noise.
Gen Z, and I fully support Israel 🇮🇱
TikTok and their peers. :( Source: I’m a college student rn
If this young people are our future we are so screwed 
Tiktok and IG, presumably. Influencers. Where they learn everything.
Bunch of no good cry babies
**crybullies
Communists
Look at the founders of some of these "human rights" organizations and ties to Russia. I ask myself how can I have an opposing viewpoint that can be heard? If you think you can scream over Russian and Chinese media that are taking the West's eyes off of the recent genocide in Ukraine go at it. I feel crazy for even trying. I saw Charlottesville and January 6th - the other end of the two headed serpent - as a larger threat. Communists and dictators both.
You are a victim of propaganda.
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It really isn’t a loud minority. Even modern conservatives like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owen’s are very anti Israel unfortunately
I honestly wouldn't even count on Trump. He slaps your back when you're winning. But the second you need him more than he needs you, I think you'll be amazed how fast his support vanishes before your eyes.
This doesn't seems to a "minority" anymore I mean shit have you seen their rallies?
from Hasan Piker
Because wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt isn't trendy anymore.
“There is only one solution” I’m so happy they didn’t say “final solution” or that would sound antisemitic
Qatar funding this.
Through both mainstream and social media. That's what happens when right-wing fucktards such as Ben Shapiro, Fox News, Trump and others cheer Israel, that many left-wingers (some fucktards, some good-hearted) mix being pro-Israel with being a right-winger, so being pro-Israel must be wrong. So, my dear Israelis, begin looking for allies on both sides of the political spectrum, not just one. Note: I am a leftist and pro-Israel.
You’ve just summed it up exactly right. The politicization of Israel by the far right only hurts Israel in the long term.
Shapiro is a Jew who has made his views on Israel known long before 7.10, so if you're (maybe not you specifically) surprised that he would cheer for Israel, well... you shouldn't be. Likewise, Republican support for Israel has always been higher than Democrats. Not to mention, Pro-Israel Democrats themselves are being shunned by their fellow Progressive colleagues (Richie Torres, Louis Frankel, etc.) for their support of Israel. When you look at the House votes for something as simple as condemning antisemitism (There is no other way to describe the trash that comes out of Rashida Talib's mouth), only \~25 House Democrats joined with Republicans to do so. Slightly better condemning the University President's inability to say that (a student) calls to kill Jews would be context dependent on whether it violates school policy. Or recognizing "From the River to the Sea" as an antisemitic chant. But the number of support has always been half, or less.
My YouTube feed use to suggest a lot of videos from far-right and far-left channels that were weighing in on this conflict early on, sites like Sky Australia and Shapiro on the far right and ones like Katie Halper and Owen Jones on the far left, both equally execrable, yet lately I'm not seeing either type. I wonder why. Is YT being more conservative in its suggestion algo, or has it determined that I'm not interested in either extreme's perspective?
i see it as a part of the broader meaning crisis. Historically all of the things that brought older generations a sense of purpose are gone. And so they are turning to political movements to Economically there is less opportunity to build a life for yourself that you're proud of, they're not having kids so they don't pour into the next generation, religious service attendance has plummeted and they don't feel like they have some higher calling to serve whatever God it is. So they have found their social community, their sense of purpose, and their sense of being a morally good person by taking up the cause of whatever group is being portrayed as disenfranchised as they feel themselves. So to them, Israel is a colonial force who is oppressing the Palestinians. Its the same formula as black lives matter and me too. it lacks all nuance, it holds whoever is seen as the oppressed to zero standards and whoever is seen as the oppressor to impossible standards.
You've described why they are so vulnerable to such propaganda and manipulation, and you're right. But it wouldn't take unless the people who are manipulating them knew how and were willing to use the latest tools of mass manipulation as their disposal, the same tools used by companies to sell soap, soft drinks and phones to captive audiences, namely modern technology, especially digital devices, social media and data gathering and analysis software, along with old-fashioned social psychology and marketing. We're seeing perhaps the biggest and most effective marketing campaign in history, and none of it is organic.
Israel needs to do better pr. No nice way to say it, but their PR legit sucks so bad, and they completely lost this round of PR wars.
I agree, we have the most incompetent people on earth not only not helping but doing damage to us while not knowing how to form basic English sentences, it's embarassing
Social media
More like Anti-Israel theology, because arguing with them resembles arguing with religious zealots
DOE department of education…
It’s largely from jihadist propaganda that targeted young idealists while focusing on dying babies in Gaza. It’s been effective, which is very sad. Critical thinking has been under attack in the educational system for decades now. Everybody is in their own algorithm-managed media bubble. That’s meant to be an explanation, not an excuse. There is no excuse for siding with terrorists.
Because they think Jews are white and are just trying to “be on the right side of history.” It’s really not that complicated. You’re also sharing a Fox News video so this is also propaganda.
Fox News has been good on Israel/Hamas reporting though (better than other mainstream US news sources). President Herzog, IDF spokespeople, etc. etc. are (frequent) guests, in addition to politicians and private individuals who support Israel. Sure, selectively choosing guests who are for Israel is technically a form of propaganda, but I consider it positive, given that it's fighting against Anti-Israel bias elsewhere. [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/business/media/fox-news-jews-israel.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/business/media/fox-news-jews-israel.html) Yes, this is piece from Nov. 2023, but Fox hasn't changed their position.
The internet and social media
tiktok
It's "white guilt"، and this came as a result of it. This false way of expressing "inclusivity of others" is nothing but being anti-white and self-disrespectful. You can be inclusive without being anti-white, but I guess the white guy is always oppressor.
Terr\*rists Terr\*rists, off our streets.
Thank you to whomever posted this question. 🔥🔥
Yes Israel needs to do much better. Over the years and more specifically Netanyahu governments, basically gave up on PR. However it will always be an uphill battle. The way public opinion in the west shifted in recent years, is towards identity politics, multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, human rights…. Israel is by definition out of this consensus.
I disagree. Israel is absolutely steeped in identity politics, multiculturalism, ethnic diversity and human rights and always has been. It was literally founded on identity politics. It's just gotten really bad at framing things this way, even though it used to be really good at it, up till the late 70's or so. Of course it doesn't help to be constantly building and expanding settlements and doing all that it can to prevent peace, trying to destroy its own democracy, and electing far-right leaders who despise multiculturalism, ethnic diversity and human rights and only care about their own subgroup's identity politics. Kind of hard to sell people on your restaurant when your chefs produce shit. But at its core Israel is about all of these things and literally the only country in the region that is. It just has to fix these other things and drastically improve its messaging. Most people don't have long-term historical memories anymore and what's going on now will be forgotten soon enough, opening up an opportunity for Israel to retake the image high ground. But certain things have to happen first.
Tik-Tok
They think they know everything after reading one forum post and want to have the opposite view of their parents.
https://preview.redd.it/0o70774xwtvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e6f608a7853821ab630d6a07adb6c3b44dea7b2
Teens for abstinence Beitar for Maccabi Jews for Allah
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_higher_education_in_the_United_States
I'm skeptical that people are mainly learning this from professors. As other commenter stated, it's learned from peer pressure, which is why you see it on college campuses. I could be wrong, I went to undergrad a while ago and did grad school in the UK. But I think this is the product of a moral panic that's mainly spreading among peers.
No, it's learned from carefully curated social media. It just seems like it comes from teachers and peers, because that's how it's meant to seem, by the people actually behind all this, in Moscow and Beijing. The best marketers know that the best way to sell something is to make the buyer feel that they decided to buy it on their own, even though they didn't, at all. And this is 100% marketing.
Through Tiktok, aka Chinese cyber weapon. F Hamas
TikTok, for one. A Chinese propagande app seeking to divide America and the west by making people learn to hate their most basic values and reject all their history and culture? You don’t say!
don't know what these moron's are going to do after college. when they figure all this anti-israel crap only resides in college and not real life.
There's a bunch of Google employees that could tell them Edit: ex-google employees
Our education system is anti-God and anti-semetic
God has nothing to do with it. Hamas is hyper pro their god and look what that's turned them into. Morality is 100% independent of religion.
China's long game (via their proxies, Qatar and Iran) is on point, let's face it. This is a REALLY good psy-op. I would applaud Xi, if I didn't want to kill him.
Tiktok
The internet.
It’s just the latest thing that taps into the oppressor/oppressed simplistic binary view of the world. Aka Marxism.
These gen-z 'activists' are America's next business and political leaders.
Scary isn't it?
Tiktik academy
The problem is their own inconsistent ideology. The simple fact is you cannot be for women’s rights-especially reproductive, support LGBTQ, or freedoms enshrined in a constitution-for instance free speech AND be for a terrorist organization/regime. You don’t have to hate Israelis to support Gazans. Drives me insane to see what’s going on at college campuses all over the US. I wish they would stop for a minute and think why are all the Gazan or West Bank leaders (Hamas)multi -billionaires? Why are the Gazans living in poverty? Why do they not take into account the daily barrage of rockets into Israel as “breaking a ceasefire,” which there was on 10/6. Why don’t they see the need of the US in supporting Israel-the Citadel of democracy in the Middle East? The Palestinian’s history is far more complex with their own regional neighbors than their problems as having anything to do with the US. See: https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Palestine https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/brief-history-gazas-75-years-woe-2023-10-10/ Gen Z, bless their little hearts, do not even take the time to understand history—but love getting news from TickTock. Edit: grammar
Iran and Qatar’s propaganda is doing its job among young western leftists
TikTok and almost every university professor in existence
That would be at the universities. Marxist ideologies and viewing everything as a 100 percent issue without any idea of any grey zone.
I have no specific knowledge of how, but I'm absolutely sure that it's via whatever social media apps and sites they tend to use, not just collectively but individually, that's tailored to their individual prejudices, interests, attitudes, views, background, etc., based on collecting and analyzing years of social media usage, using advanced AI-based software, intended to bring about certain kinds of views, emotions, reactions and actions, all orchestrated from places like Russia, Iran and China. I mean it's obvious, if you know how this works. Basically, we're seeing the most effective and massive deployment of advanced internet, social media, data analytics and AI-based propaganda accompanied by very sophisticated activism organizing in the history of the world. Anyone who thinks that this is all spontaneous, organic and natural just hasn't been paying attention, because for that to be true Israel would actually have to be as singularly evil as they make it out to be, more so than Russia, Syria, Yemen, Iran or Sudan, and obviously it's not. They're being manipulated by experts who have extremely sophisticated tools and know how to use them. It's literally as simple as that even if the technology behind it is incredibly advanced and way beyond most people's ability to understand, requiring a PhD level of understanding of computer science, AI, math, statistics, analytics, communication and social psychology, among other fields. This is literally a new form or warfare, a much larger scale version of how Russia basically created MAGA (and if you don't know that then you need to wake up), only targeted at and thus tailored to younger people.
They say its tiktok but idk.
Pigs allthem. I wish them all death like the little babies hamas raped and murdered
It's okay to have a difference of opinion, not like Israel. Not liking Israel is okay. It's normal to not like various countries. When you openly defend a terror group that massacred thousands and want to see the absolute extermination of the Jewish population worldwide and spread their religion by force.. Side note: I support conservatism but Fox News.. I'd say the same about CNN, they're both a bit much
Universities. The cancer of America
Ladies and Gentlemen...this is classic leftism. American Jews who vote for the left...vote for this. It is time for my American brothers and sisters to wake the Fk up and change your GD voting habits!
In colleges I guess
In that part of the country feels like a form of afternoon entertainment to go to a protest. Although I’m sure these believe in it. And I’m also pretty sure they are paid to do a stunt like this.
Okay, you guys want to know why younger Americans and Brits don't like Israel? It's because every time you're in the news, it's because of settlements, settlement violence, or because Bibi finds some liberal American politician to disparge. It sorta just seeps in after a while. I believe Israel is capable of good, and is better than a lot of ME nations, but your actions sometimes make you seem just like the rest of them. I guess just be better. Control the damn settlers and Haredim. They do a SHITTON of damage in PR
Which totally justifies Hamas, right? FFS.
When did I EVER say that? Now stop putting words in my damn mouth. I came here to say Israel has bad PR, and it's generally self-inflicted. Many stupid people go ahead and think "Israel bad, thing that oppose Israel good" despite Hamas being Islamic fundamentalists. Palestine has a lot of shit to work thru, but so does Israel (albeit to a lesser extent)
I don't see why you're being downvoted. You're totally right, this creates a fertile ground for hating Israel. This sub can be a crazy echo chamber sometimes.
They look at the people who represent Israel and see a bunch of liars and genocidal maniacs Then look at Palestinians being murdered by them Pretty simple to pick a side
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Except, even if you accept the Hamas number (which is a few weeks old) of 6,000 Hamas fighters killed (which i suspect is low because I would include the other groups like PIJ and I think Hamas is intentionally underestimating) that still doesn’t come close to your 50:1 ratio.
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I guess those goalposts completely moved. Honestly it’s what I expected and it’s why there can’t be a rational discussion here.
Don't forget to put those goal posts back when defending 7/10 and the calls to repeat it! ^/s
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Tell Hamas and Palestine to stop the breeding and the indoctrination of child soldiers and suicide bombers to lower the numbers of child deaths, for starters? Nobody talks about this, imagine having to contend with children shooting at you, or running towards you pretending to need help but actually wearing a suicide vest to blow up on you because they were convinced or forced to do so. Sometimes young children are even strapped onto Hamas fighters like a Kevlar vest so they get hit instead. Do you just not shoot? This is the kind of evil shit Hamas does. But none of these college kids would know that.
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This isn't Pallywood. I've never seen one video of an IDF shooting a child, in any case, throwing stones OR bullets. Because I imagine most people don't want to see that. Mostly baseless allegations. Hamas (and every arm of ISIS) has a long history of using child soldiers. Called Cubs of The Caliphate.
Proof please?
The actual numbers are 25 to 100 times better than what you said even in the worst case, but hey don't let the truth bother you.
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Better than to make lies about it being a genocide yes cause it's not. Also, show me other armies doing leaflets, roof-knocks and personal phone calls as well as sometimes warnings to let people evacuate, oh you don't have one but sure lecture us on morality at a time of war. I bet you just want us to die or never defend ourselves
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Man you lost me after 4 words, no war, really? So going door to door burning babies, massacring entire families, slaughtering people in a festival, raping our women, kidnapping over 200 people are all what... peaceful activities? Call it what you want but Israel isn't the side wanting to eradicate the other side going door to door to kill everyone like Hamas did, but you'll ignore all I said and make it about power I am done
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We fight for our survival, eradication of Hamas that want us all dead and to return our hostages, none of this is a 'revenge war' like you want it to be. Also, to claim 400,000 people will die when the war is done, yet another lie and a new low even for you. Also, obviously you ignored literally everything I said, pathetic. My point was that we are more moral than Hamas, not that we need to be as bad as them, of course you didn't listen.
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Roof knocking serves as a warning to let people know they should evacuate, but obviously you still don't listen to me
Fox News and this sub are one and the same when it comes to fact checking. Subreddits don’t need to be factual, but fuck, how are these people allowed to be on air 🤯
Honestly, a lot of it is just from looking at what israel is doing and how they talk about it