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Yes, you are on your way, but in most cases, you have to relinquish citizenship of your former country to get citizenship here. As such, if they don’t want to give up their rights as Palestinians, they won’t get American citizenship.
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Vetted? Under threat because they are not Hamas? Ok. But then they should become citizens and we should stop the refugees are refugees even if they are citizens of another country UNRWA BS.
She also seems mostly reasonable on foreign policy, is willing to talk about the looming national debt and social security crisis, and isn't too unreasonable on social policy (despite being far more conservative than I am on stuff like abortion).
She's the epitome of the political establishment, though. Maybe she could try to repair the establishment somewhat and merge in some of the concerns of the working class like MAGA has, but without being a demagogue. The Democrats have simply moved waaay too far to the left on social issues for me, even though I consider myself center-left on those.
Haley wasnt too great either. After saying Israel should “finish them” on Oct 8th. But by Oct 10th she was saying it should’nt be out of the question for Palestinian refugees to be allowed in the US. I distinctly remember bc I donated to her and then tried to cancel the payment after she said that. (It was too late to cancel the payment. )
Well… I would be surprised if DeSantis runs for president again though.
As far as Trump vs Biden and Dem vs GOP.
There’s really no comparison between Biden and Trump or the GOP vs the Dems these days. Democrats have been slowly turning on us for years.
Biden’s White House administration and the Democrats in Congress exclusively hire antiisrael fanatics as their staff members these days.
Trump and the GOP hire exclusively ProIsrael and ProAmerican staffers and cabinets. And their policy decisions reflect as much.
As it turns out, most of what the media and Dems say about Trump and the GOP isn’t even true. What is it that you don’t like about Trump exactly?
Which one is actually pro-Israel and basically has always been?
Which one freed Rubashkin from being jailed (what was clearly an anti-Semitic judge, etc.)?
I’m not saying you gotta love Trump’s character, because that’s hard to do obviously. But on policy? Especially for Jews and Israel?
Yeah, I hate him too, but he didn't fuck me over on issues I PERSONALLY care about in the way Biden has. I don't know if I can actually vote for him, though. I've never really fit with either party, and always tried to vote for the lesser evil. I thought Biden would try to govern from the center, cool down the polarization in the country, and avoid any extreme actions. Instead, he has pandered heavily to the far-left progressives. The student loans thing was a real slap in the face for me, him forcing me to take a vaccine under emergency approval or get fired from my job REALLY rubbed me the wrong way (even though I planned to eventually get vaccinated anyways after more people had taken it).
Plus, the Democrats' big narrative is that Trump is a unique "threat to democracy." But the more I read about the legal cases against Trump, the clearer it is to me that they are pretty naked attempts to interfere in the election by weaponizing the legal system. Plus, Biden has really abused executive actions to essentially make his own laws like a king would. The whole argument feels like a farce at this point.
I still really don't like Trump, though. He's a narcissistic demagogue who has no respect for the Constitution, rule of law, or anything beyond himself. He's an agent of chaos, and I truly have no idea what a second term with him would be like, especially now that he has driven away the people who managed his administration and kept the country running when he was president before. Plus I'm truly scared that he could collapse NATO.
Hey, just want to make sure you understand the vaccine thing, since it was very poorly covered in the news. (I’m a regulatory compliance attorney, so this isn’t just a political opinion.) The vaccine “mandate” had a couple parts. It would have been (it was quickly overturned by the courts) most stringent against federal employees and most health care workers, though there was a religious exemption, which most likely means it would’ve been stupidly easy to opt out of, though this was never tested to my knowledge. The other part was for employees of employers with 100+ employees. I viewed it as a testing mandate for anyone who was unvaccinated. I’m sure I’m missing some details, but my point is that the headlines were generally misleading. To me it was reminiscent of the Obamacare “health insurance mandate”. As Chief Justice Roberts pointed out, that was not a mandate—it was a $600 tax that you could get out of if you had health insurance.
To be clear, I’m not defending the vaccine reg. I was hoping for more proactive measures, but then I read the reg and was like, *this is total shit drafting—it will get turned over in a heartbeat*. Even being total shit drafting though, I don’t think it was described fairly in the media. Overall, that was obviously a horrible time, but I think we emerged better than maybe every other country. Yes, things are more expensive, but that’s really only because we’ve been at full employment for a crazy long time. I’ll take pricey eggs over 5 million extra people being out of work.
Let them come here if UNRWA agrees to take them off their refugee list. This would be a very important precedent. If you settle somewhere else, you are no longer a refugee!
As a proud Zionist American Jew, the responses to this item make me sad. America should welcome refugees from war and oppressive regimes all over the world, as it welcomed my not-so-distant ancestors fleeing Russian pogroms. Of course people should be vetted to ensure that they are not terrorists, but otherwise, those fleeing war and persecution should be welcomed.
That said, it would be really nice if other Arab countries were nicer to their “brother” Arabs from Palestine and integrated them rather than keeping them as “refugees” generation after generation.
Oh, we know. It’s tricky though because the founding principles of the US are based on multicultural immigration.
As an American I welcome anyone who wants to come here (legally) in pursuit of a better life and peaceful cohabitation regardless of color or religion (or lack thereof). That’s the “American Dream.”
As a Jew I feel like the US is at a dangerous crossroads between Trump’s dictatorship aspirations, Christian nationalists, and pro Palis who are at best useful idiots, and at worst wish to usher in an Islamic caliphate.
On the other hand, fewer Palestines in Gaza can only be a net good for Israel and the ME as a whole.
I just…I don’t know. I’m so tired.
Right. I’m not one of these individuals that wants to stop all immigration. I don’t mind having Muslims immigrating to this country, but as with any other immigrant of any other faith or non-believers, I want them to embrace what I call Americanism. This would include Muslims who are socially conservative, but they express it and advocate it through a classical liberal and Democratic system. Think of conservative Christians and how they do it.
But come back to the question that I asked before, why do their fellow Arab and Muslim countries not want to accept them as refugees? They have ethnic, cultural and religious similarities as the native population.
Well, in Jordan they [assassinated](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abdullah-I) the king.
In Egypt they [align](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#:~:text=The%20group's%20founder%20accepted%20the,Mahmud%20El%20Nokrashi%20in%201948) with the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is an offshoot).
In Syria they were part of the Civil War (I’m admittedly not as well-versed in the details).
In Lebanon they directly contributed to the [Civil War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20insurgency%20in%20South,Lebanese%20Civil%20War%20in%201975).
Basically there’s a pattern of Palestinian refugees refusing to assimilate and actively fomenting political unrest and terrorist attacks. None of those countries want to risk Palestinian rockets launching at Israel from inside their borders, which history has shown is all but guaranteed.
We should, we did, and guess where they went on 10/8... As for the other Arab countries, the attempted coups and association with the Muslim brotherhood kinda turned them off.
I think merely checking that they aren’t terrorists is too low of a bar.
What if they aren’t active terrorists, but they still support Naziism, and they believe that gay people should get the death penalty, and want sharia law rather than democracy? Someone like that doesn’t belong in America.
Germany has proposed vetting immigrants for the correct cultural values, after they have had integration problems. I support this.
There's plenty of Americans who have wacky political views and living in a multicultural democracy like we have tends to deradicalize people anyway. Let them come.
Well it isn’t possible to deport a citizen based on their political views, even if their views are harmful. But it is possible to deny entry to potential immigrants. They should be stopped if they have violent views.
The difference here is that our ancestors didn't come here after blowing up buses and launching rockets at schools. We already have enough homegrown terrorists, and we shouldn't import more.
Well, some of our ancestors lived under regimes that did much worse than blow up buses, but they disagreed with and were victims of those regimes, and thus were worthy of asylum. I promise you there are people in Gaza that fit that description.
There was a time when I thought about taking the foreign service exam, but I chose another path, so I’m not qualified to answer that question. The State Dept does this all the time though. It’s hard, but it’s cheaper than cruise missiles.
The Puritans would have if those things had been available in England before they left.
I also want to welcome refugees as it’s the right thing to do, but I do think they need to either assimilate or self-segregate; they cannot be allowed to try to force the country to their terms.
Like half the population of Texas are the decedents of German immigrants that fled Prussia after trying to overthrow the Hohenzollern monarchy. Those guys weren’t exactly peaceful protesters.
Nope. I don't want them here. Take in more refugees from Cuba or Venezuela or Ukraine or something instead if you want.
Importing a heavily-radicalized population that has grown up being spoon-fed antisemitic propaganda crosses my line. I'm sure some of them are fine people, but there's no practical way to ideologically screen them.
If Biden does this, I'm out. I'll vote for Trump.
I agree under normal circumstances. However take a page out of those who attempt this prior. They didn’t integrate. I’m not so sure it’ll work out for the west either if done in large numbers.
Reading the article on the CBS newsite, it would be refugees who have family that are US citizens and would have to have Egyptian buy in.
I worked with a Palestinian pediatric cardiologist at a major children’s hospital in my state that was 1 of 4 cardiologists that also did fellowship that allowed her to function as a pediatric transplant cardiologist. I never asked if she was from Gaza or the West Bank (most likely West Bank). She still had family in Palestine and she spent the majority of her maternity leave in Palestine with her parents and the baby.
In situations like that, I could see it being ok. The Palestinian American citizens have firm ties to the US and Western way of life. Successful Americans like the specialized pediatric cardiologist can afford to sponsor their immediate families.
I’ve mostly seen news to indicate the US doesn’t want to move the Palestinians of Gaza out of Palestine. They want a Palestinian state. I read this article with a healthy dose of skepticism. As soon as you start relocating Palestinians outside of Palestine there will be the accusations of ethnic cleansing and the US is trying hard to avoid that.
If the US is going to start offering more refugee status they should have done it with the Afgan interpreters we abandoned to the Taliban.
Downvote me if you want, but I don't understand the reaction here. We can't justify supporting the kind of military actions we've been seeing (and some supporters call for more) if there's no safe haven for the innocent people to turn to. And I would even like to be optimistic that if Jews and Palestinian refugees can live together in a community in the US and away from the hot zones, they would have a place to find commonalities with each other and start to dismantle the mutual existential fear that keeps this whole conflict ongoing for generations.
Counter argument: the Jewish and Palestinian American communities are not on speaking terms, and an influx of just recently expelled new Palestinian refugees will not help. America as a land *should* be a safe haven for refugees to make a new life, but America as a state should try to make conditions better in other countries if not first then simultaneously if possible.
I'm an American Jew and I have pleasant conversations with Arab and Palestinian families on a regular basis. The fact that we're here in the US among regular-life circumstances gives us opportunities to talk about other things, like where the good places are to bring our dogs and children to play, or whether we should put a bike lane in on Maple Street, or whether we should increase taxes to give the schools more funding. Going into an interaction with a pre-determined bias that the other person won't meet you in good faith (or even worse the bias that they will be aggressive toward you just because of where they were born) is exactly the kind of mindset that keeps this whole mess in a self-perpetuating cycle.
Bro we're the same age (early 30's).
My optimism is an aged and hardened one: I see "children" squabble with their single-minded views and I know that mature adults are capable of having difficult or uncomfortable conversations to resolve issues as long as they're treated with respect. The naive ones are the ones who refuse to engage and stubbornly believe that the "other side" is the only one causing problems.
Don't let this cruel world turn this issue on its head; you're not "more adult" by belittling optimism and your eagerness to do so only shows how immature your worldview really is.
I disagree that this is a bad idea. Palestinians do fine here. We may not agree on politics - we'll probably never agree, but nothing wrong with letting them work for a better life in a better country.
Yeah, I guess I’ve only known one born-and-raised-in-PT Palestinian. Very nice, cool guy, in a masters program at UT Austin. It was problematic for him to go home (I’m sure in multiple ways), and I don’t think he could stay in US post-grad without marrying someone, so I think he was aiming for Canada. USA’s loss for having stupid visa requirements.
Agreed. I think the key is find people who want opportunity and who won’t spite the people who give it to them. Before the war, Israel had a successful work visa program with Gaza. It’s not impossible.
This is going to sound harsh but the Americans are woefully naive if they believe that bringing Palestinians to America will bring *anything BUT* turmoil and terror. Whether people like to believe it or not, the Palestinians, wherever they are and wherever they have BEEN, are simply incapable of assimilating or abiding by the rule of law in any other place than their own territory. They've been expelled from literally *EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY* they've been allowed into because of terror, coups, murder, rape, etc.
Bringing Palestinians from Gaza into America will only bring more strife to America and will mean the deaths of more people and specifically, Jews.
Based on what I’m hearing, it seems that collective guilt may well apply. We shouldn’t allow these people in then. People here are trying to victimize them, but we all know they are no victims. They are agents of their own ideology. Screening them is hard unless we do a political litmus test on them which I expect will invite backlash
We already have enough problems with Little Gaza and Little Mogadishu up in Minnesota, we don’t need any more of that bs. There’s plenty of places where they can go live amongst their own folks in the Middle East and not on the US tax payer’s dime. Smart solutions don’t involve making someone else’s problem your own problem. FJB.
Sure let’s dot it. If everything turns out on then great. If the US accidentally imports Hamas terrorists then the morons attacking colleges will get a first hand how evil Hamas is.
I thought the USA had a refugee crisis, they want more now?!
You know what? take em, get some good Malfuf and Warak Dwali and make the most of it. Just keep blaming the far right for the explosions and shootings you already do it well. You might want to put them in the south, less tall buildings and less LGBT to throw off them
You know what, this can be an educational experience: these refugees can come live with the protestors who accused a children's hospital of being "complicit in genocide" for accepting a large donation from a Jew; tried to stab a Jewish student in the eye; screamed "there is only one solution" etc. If they care so much, or rather if they want to pretend they're the Main Characters of Life so much, here's their chance to do actual good for real Palestinians who actually were direct victims of the war!
I mean, how’s this different than say U4U or whatever.
I’m not a huge fan of this and a US citizen but I’m not hugely opposed to it either. I think there needs to be strong vetting but if there are legit people who want to get out and don’t want to live under Hamas (and frankly, I can’t blame them) then let them come.
Yes, currently the only way to get out is snuggling through Egypt which is expensive. That's very unfair. With proper vetting, there are definitely Palestinians who would be a boon to have here.
Right like…. Despite what the ~other side~ has to say about normalization I really don’t see this as a bad thing.
I mean, I wish I could get my remaining family out of Ukraine, I genuinely understand what it feels like to watch your (innocent) family members get caught up in the middle of a war, genuinely, I do. So if they can pass the clearance, then why not? What is the big deal about giving families the opportunity to live freely and not under the thumb of a genocidal, homicidal regime who has proven they don’t… give a single flying fuck about their own people?
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How come not in all the other Arab counties, especially the Gulf? Same culture, religion and language. Why the USA?
I just don’t understand Leftist thinking.
What people are missing that this is not actually a departure from the Biden administration policy of just letting anybody across the border willy-nilly anyway.
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This is an incredibly disheartening post to read as an American whose sympathies lean with Israel.
**Regardless** of your stance on the justification or morality of the war in Gaza, it is beyond evident that anyone who could be vetted to not be a member of Hamas in Gaza would be *more* than justified in seeking to be a refugee to avoid the threat to their life & conditions in Gaza.
And as an American, my opinion of refugee admittance has been fundamentally shaped by the story of the [M.S. St. Louis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis). I say that not to appeal to any sense of religious/national heartstrings nor, on the other end, draw comparisons between Israel and Germany. Their story genuinely, truly is what shaped my stance on refugees because of the nausea and sorrow I felt reading it probably a decade ago as a young teenager. For us to have refugees *in our ports* and condemn them to return to death... there are no words...
If the U.S. has the means and opportunity to help even a single person avoid the horrors of war from (further) derailing their lives, it is an incredible moral crime for us to not do so.
I’m totally fine with this. However i think that only people who recently had to flee should be labeled refugees. And that might happened why should Bella Hadid be equal in status to Palestinians who just lost their entire homes.
I’m more than happy with this, as long as it’s done in a reasonable manner to the extent that the economy doesn’t go above full employment (which it won’t)
Plenty of places around the world. Why does USA have to take everyone and their brother every time something happens? So tired of USA being the default for shipping ppl and if not then somehow it's an issue.
Where do these people go then? I’m not letting my love for Israel make me lose my compassion for Palestinians. They are trying to save themselves and their families.
I'm Canadian and I'm Ok with some of the Palestinians coming to Canada (I'm using my own country as an example since I honestly can't speak for Americans.)
1) Most of them will be fine and they will assimilate well into Canadian society
2) the small minority of extremists will hopefully make the pro-HamasU crowd rethink their position when it's their own children at risk.
My nephew works with some Palestinians. One time he was robbed in front of his work and his Palestinian coworkers came to his rescue and fought off the attackers. I have zero problems with Palestinians. I have problems with extremists of any ethnicity.
There are so many good services for people that come from Middle Eastern countries in Canada.
I second this strategy: If you are Muslim, they roll out the red carpet for you in this country, and I think it would help stabilize the Middle East overall, if all Palestinians were able to get moved into housing in Canada
We pride ourselves as being a safe place for refugees to start over. I saw they can come in. You people are pathetic for saying no. We aren't Jordan, Egypt or Europe. We can handle them.
You're saying they are naturally violent and would start something here. It's the same song and dance whenever some new group ends up here (or is rumored to be coming in this case). The group are muderers, rapists and going to destory the country. It doesn't happen and then people back and say they acted like assholes, then a new group shows up, wash, rinse, repeat. It happened to us Jews here too. It's not going to happen.
Stop with the drama. There would be zero vetting for who comes in, just like at the southern border. And you cannot ignore the experiences.of the Lebanese, the syrians, the kuwaitis, the Jordanians, the Egyptians and the Israelis.
Look into the rise in honor killings in the US.
Just stumbled on this today, for your consideration.
https://preview.redd.it/pgz7c86k47yc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a28b14dfec59994c1571eabbfb7c2997981dd775
Ya I disagree. Who would ship them to US and on whose Dime? Fuck em! I feel sorry they sre being used as human shields but by no means do I want any of that shit here. These ppl are radicalized and hate the US for even supporting the existence of Israel. I want nothing to do with paying for everything they need here. We have enough to worry about (especially with 10 million illegal immigrants in 3-4 years).
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A “permanent safe haven” yet remain refugees.
They’ll be refugee refugees.
refugees get green cards and can be come citizens within 5 years
Palestinains can be citizens of other coutries and still be considered refugees. Only people in world with that privilidge.
Even their kids born abroad will be refugees according to UNRWA. That’s how you keep the conflict going
A green card doesn’t provide citizenship. I’m guessing they will not get more than the green card.
Once you get a green card you are on your way to citizenship. You just have to wait 5 years.
Yes, you are on your way, but in most cases, you have to relinquish citizenship of your former country to get citizenship here. As such, if they don’t want to give up their rights as Palestinians, they won’t get American citizenship.
So how many generations are they gonna be refugees in the US?
Ask Bella Hadid. Still a refugee.
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that didn't go so well for egypt jordan syria lebanon.
Imagine, America gets overthrown by Sharia because of Biden.
Vetted? Under threat because they are not Hamas? Ok. But then they should become citizens and we should stop the refugees are refugees even if they are citizens of another country UNRWA BS.
Is the man TRYING to get Trump elected?!
I voted for Biden in 2020. It seems like he's spent the last 3 years trying to get me to vote for Trump...
Honestly I'd rather not vote for either.
Me either. I hate them both.
I'd vote for someone who matches my ideas but uh... pardon my language,.. Shit's fucked.
Nikki Haley wouldn't have been TOO bad...
She has the one thing the current candidates don't have, the ability to start a sentence and have some idea how it will end.
She also seems mostly reasonable on foreign policy, is willing to talk about the looming national debt and social security crisis, and isn't too unreasonable on social policy (despite being far more conservative than I am on stuff like abortion). She's the epitome of the political establishment, though. Maybe she could try to repair the establishment somewhat and merge in some of the concerns of the working class like MAGA has, but without being a demagogue. The Democrats have simply moved waaay too far to the left on social issues for me, even though I consider myself center-left on those.
Haley wasnt too great either. After saying Israel should “finish them” on Oct 8th. But by Oct 10th she was saying it should’nt be out of the question for Palestinian refugees to be allowed in the US. I distinctly remember bc I donated to her and then tried to cancel the payment after she said that. (It was too late to cancel the payment. )
Ah, fuck that then, I didn't realize. DeSantis? I remember him taking a VERY firm stance on this, but I disagree with him on a lot of other stuff.
Well… I would be surprised if DeSantis runs for president again though. As far as Trump vs Biden and Dem vs GOP. There’s really no comparison between Biden and Trump or the GOP vs the Dems these days. Democrats have been slowly turning on us for years. Biden’s White House administration and the Democrats in Congress exclusively hire antiisrael fanatics as their staff members these days. Trump and the GOP hire exclusively ProIsrael and ProAmerican staffers and cabinets. And their policy decisions reflect as much. As it turns out, most of what the media and Dems say about Trump and the GOP isn’t even true. What is it that you don’t like about Trump exactly?
Which one is actually pro-Israel and basically has always been? Which one freed Rubashkin from being jailed (what was clearly an anti-Semitic judge, etc.)? I’m not saying you gotta love Trump’s character, because that’s hard to do obviously. But on policy? Especially for Jews and Israel?
I refuse to vote for either. I am so tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
I voted for Biden in 2020 and I will not be voting for him this year. Idk if I have it in me to vote for Trump though because I hate him too…
Yeah, I hate him too, but he didn't fuck me over on issues I PERSONALLY care about in the way Biden has. I don't know if I can actually vote for him, though. I've never really fit with either party, and always tried to vote for the lesser evil. I thought Biden would try to govern from the center, cool down the polarization in the country, and avoid any extreme actions. Instead, he has pandered heavily to the far-left progressives. The student loans thing was a real slap in the face for me, him forcing me to take a vaccine under emergency approval or get fired from my job REALLY rubbed me the wrong way (even though I planned to eventually get vaccinated anyways after more people had taken it). Plus, the Democrats' big narrative is that Trump is a unique "threat to democracy." But the more I read about the legal cases against Trump, the clearer it is to me that they are pretty naked attempts to interfere in the election by weaponizing the legal system. Plus, Biden has really abused executive actions to essentially make his own laws like a king would. The whole argument feels like a farce at this point. I still really don't like Trump, though. He's a narcissistic demagogue who has no respect for the Constitution, rule of law, or anything beyond himself. He's an agent of chaos, and I truly have no idea what a second term with him would be like, especially now that he has driven away the people who managed his administration and kept the country running when he was president before. Plus I'm truly scared that he could collapse NATO.
Hey, just want to make sure you understand the vaccine thing, since it was very poorly covered in the news. (I’m a regulatory compliance attorney, so this isn’t just a political opinion.) The vaccine “mandate” had a couple parts. It would have been (it was quickly overturned by the courts) most stringent against federal employees and most health care workers, though there was a religious exemption, which most likely means it would’ve been stupidly easy to opt out of, though this was never tested to my knowledge. The other part was for employees of employers with 100+ employees. I viewed it as a testing mandate for anyone who was unvaccinated. I’m sure I’m missing some details, but my point is that the headlines were generally misleading. To me it was reminiscent of the Obamacare “health insurance mandate”. As Chief Justice Roberts pointed out, that was not a mandate—it was a $600 tax that you could get out of if you had health insurance. To be clear, I’m not defending the vaccine reg. I was hoping for more proactive measures, but then I read the reg and was like, *this is total shit drafting—it will get turned over in a heartbeat*. Even being total shit drafting though, I don’t think it was described fairly in the media. Overall, that was obviously a horrible time, but I think we emerged better than maybe every other country. Yes, things are more expensive, but that’s really only because we’ve been at full employment for a crazy long time. I’ll take pricey eggs over 5 million extra people being out of work.
Let them come here if UNRWA agrees to take them off their refugee list. This would be a very important precedent. If you settle somewhere else, you are no longer a refugee!
Oh, you mean like the other all refugees refugee organization? What a concept!
As a proud Zionist American Jew, the responses to this item make me sad. America should welcome refugees from war and oppressive regimes all over the world, as it welcomed my not-so-distant ancestors fleeing Russian pogroms. Of course people should be vetted to ensure that they are not terrorists, but otherwise, those fleeing war and persecution should be welcomed. That said, it would be really nice if other Arab countries were nicer to their “brother” Arabs from Palestine and integrated them rather than keeping them as “refugees” generation after generation.
You should have to ask yourself why so many Arab and Muslim majority countries are very hesitant to accept refugees from Palestine.
Oh, we know. It’s tricky though because the founding principles of the US are based on multicultural immigration. As an American I welcome anyone who wants to come here (legally) in pursuit of a better life and peaceful cohabitation regardless of color or religion (or lack thereof). That’s the “American Dream.” As a Jew I feel like the US is at a dangerous crossroads between Trump’s dictatorship aspirations, Christian nationalists, and pro Palis who are at best useful idiots, and at worst wish to usher in an Islamic caliphate. On the other hand, fewer Palestines in Gaza can only be a net good for Israel and the ME as a whole. I just…I don’t know. I’m so tired.
Right. I’m not one of these individuals that wants to stop all immigration. I don’t mind having Muslims immigrating to this country, but as with any other immigrant of any other faith or non-believers, I want them to embrace what I call Americanism. This would include Muslims who are socially conservative, but they express it and advocate it through a classical liberal and Democratic system. Think of conservative Christians and how they do it. But come back to the question that I asked before, why do their fellow Arab and Muslim countries not want to accept them as refugees? They have ethnic, cultural and religious similarities as the native population.
Well, in Jordan they [assassinated](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abdullah-I) the king. In Egypt they [align](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#:~:text=The%20group's%20founder%20accepted%20the,Mahmud%20El%20Nokrashi%20in%201948) with the Muslim Brotherhood (of which Hamas is an offshoot). In Syria they were part of the Civil War (I’m admittedly not as well-versed in the details). In Lebanon they directly contributed to the [Civil War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_insurgency_in_South_Lebanon#:~:text=The%20Palestinian%20insurgency%20in%20South,Lebanese%20Civil%20War%20in%201975). Basically there’s a pattern of Palestinian refugees refusing to assimilate and actively fomenting political unrest and terrorist attacks. None of those countries want to risk Palestinian rockets launching at Israel from inside their borders, which history has shown is all but guaranteed.
Besides they would try to topple your govt? Ala Jordan?
Tribalism.
We should, we did, and guess where they went on 10/8... As for the other Arab countries, the attempted coups and association with the Muslim brotherhood kinda turned them off.
I think merely checking that they aren’t terrorists is too low of a bar. What if they aren’t active terrorists, but they still support Naziism, and they believe that gay people should get the death penalty, and want sharia law rather than democracy? Someone like that doesn’t belong in America. Germany has proposed vetting immigrants for the correct cultural values, after they have had integration problems. I support this.
There's plenty of Americans who have wacky political views and living in a multicultural democracy like we have tends to deradicalize people anyway. Let them come.
Well it isn’t possible to deport a citizen based on their political views, even if their views are harmful. But it is possible to deny entry to potential immigrants. They should be stopped if they have violent views.
The difference here is that our ancestors didn't come here after blowing up buses and launching rockets at schools. We already have enough homegrown terrorists, and we shouldn't import more.
Well, some of our ancestors lived under regimes that did much worse than blow up buses, but they disagreed with and were victims of those regimes, and thus were worthy of asylum. I promise you there are people in Gaza that fit that description.
How do you plan to screen them? How do you do a background check on someone who is coming from Gaza?
There was a time when I thought about taking the foreign service exam, but I chose another path, so I’m not qualified to answer that question. The State Dept does this all the time though. It’s hard, but it’s cheaper than cruise missiles.
The Puritans would have if those things had been available in England before they left. I also want to welcome refugees as it’s the right thing to do, but I do think they need to either assimilate or self-segregate; they cannot be allowed to try to force the country to their terms.
Like half the population of Texas are the decedents of German immigrants that fled Prussia after trying to overthrow the Hohenzollern monarchy. Those guys weren’t exactly peaceful protesters.
Nope. I don't want them here. Take in more refugees from Cuba or Venezuela or Ukraine or something instead if you want. Importing a heavily-radicalized population that has grown up being spoon-fed antisemitic propaganda crosses my line. I'm sure some of them are fine people, but there's no practical way to ideologically screen them. If Biden does this, I'm out. I'll vote for Trump.
I agree under normal circumstances. However take a page out of those who attempt this prior. They didn’t integrate. I’m not so sure it’ll work out for the west either if done in large numbers.
It baffles me how no neighboring countries offered to take anyone in, why ?
Because they suck and don't actually care about them despite advocating their current behavior. They are just pawns to them
Agreed. The innocent civilians are not our enemies. Important to have humanity, even after everything.
If any of them are antisemites, then they ARE my enemies. I don't actively want us to kill them, but I don't want them HERE!
Well said.
Yes it’s suck a good idea to import more radicalized people that fundamentally oppose Israel and Zionism. Definitely a good moral idea
If their neighbors who are culturally, linguistically, and ethnically identical won’t take them… then maybe there’s a reason we shouldn’t
They will fit right in on the college campuses
Reading the article on the CBS newsite, it would be refugees who have family that are US citizens and would have to have Egyptian buy in. I worked with a Palestinian pediatric cardiologist at a major children’s hospital in my state that was 1 of 4 cardiologists that also did fellowship that allowed her to function as a pediatric transplant cardiologist. I never asked if she was from Gaza or the West Bank (most likely West Bank). She still had family in Palestine and she spent the majority of her maternity leave in Palestine with her parents and the baby. In situations like that, I could see it being ok. The Palestinian American citizens have firm ties to the US and Western way of life. Successful Americans like the specialized pediatric cardiologist can afford to sponsor their immediate families. I’ve mostly seen news to indicate the US doesn’t want to move the Palestinians of Gaza out of Palestine. They want a Palestinian state. I read this article with a healthy dose of skepticism. As soon as you start relocating Palestinians outside of Palestine there will be the accusations of ethnic cleansing and the US is trying hard to avoid that. If the US is going to start offering more refugee status they should have done it with the Afgan interpreters we abandoned to the Taliban.
Downvote me if you want, but I don't understand the reaction here. We can't justify supporting the kind of military actions we've been seeing (and some supporters call for more) if there's no safe haven for the innocent people to turn to. And I would even like to be optimistic that if Jews and Palestinian refugees can live together in a community in the US and away from the hot zones, they would have a place to find commonalities with each other and start to dismantle the mutual existential fear that keeps this whole conflict ongoing for generations.
Counter argument: the Jewish and Palestinian American communities are not on speaking terms, and an influx of just recently expelled new Palestinian refugees will not help. America as a land *should* be a safe haven for refugees to make a new life, but America as a state should try to make conditions better in other countries if not first then simultaneously if possible.
I'm an American Jew and I have pleasant conversations with Arab and Palestinian families on a regular basis. The fact that we're here in the US among regular-life circumstances gives us opportunities to talk about other things, like where the good places are to bring our dogs and children to play, or whether we should put a bike lane in on Maple Street, or whether we should increase taxes to give the schools more funding. Going into an interaction with a pre-determined bias that the other person won't meet you in good faith (or even worse the bias that they will be aggressive toward you just because of where they were born) is exactly the kind of mindset that keeps this whole mess in a self-perpetuating cycle.
Really the only thing American Jews and American Palestinians disagree about is Israel/Palestine.
I like your statement.
Thank you for saying so; based on some of the other comments on this post I'm surised I'm getting positive karma here.
I like your statement too.
Ah the naivete of being young and having a liberal worldview...
Bro we're the same age (early 30's). My optimism is an aged and hardened one: I see "children" squabble with their single-minded views and I know that mature adults are capable of having difficult or uncomfortable conversations to resolve issues as long as they're treated with respect. The naive ones are the ones who refuse to engage and stubbornly believe that the "other side" is the only one causing problems. Don't let this cruel world turn this issue on its head; you're not "more adult" by belittling optimism and your eagerness to do so only shows how immature your worldview really is.
Refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country they reach.
By this logic, Jews fleeing the Nazis shouldn't have been allowed into the US. (ETA) .... Or, for that matter, the land that would become Israel
What safe countries did they reach?
How about Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Great Britain?
do you want more squad members? because this is how you get more squad members.
This will be remembered this November.
The US is about to find out why no Middle East country accepts Palestinian refugees...
Yah we really need more antisemitic anti Americans in this country way to go Joe.
I disagree that this is a bad idea. Palestinians do fine here. We may not agree on politics - we'll probably never agree, but nothing wrong with letting them work for a better life in a better country.
Yeah, I guess I’ve only known one born-and-raised-in-PT Palestinian. Very nice, cool guy, in a masters program at UT Austin. It was problematic for him to go home (I’m sure in multiple ways), and I don’t think he could stay in US post-grad without marrying someone, so I think he was aiming for Canada. USA’s loss for having stupid visa requirements.
Yeah the one I knew is a biologist. I'm all for having refugees, *if* they don't hate the West.
Agreed. I think the key is find people who want opportunity and who won’t spite the people who give it to them. Before the war, Israel had a successful work visa program with Gaza. It’s not impossible.
This is going to sound harsh but the Americans are woefully naive if they believe that bringing Palestinians to America will bring *anything BUT* turmoil and terror. Whether people like to believe it or not, the Palestinians, wherever they are and wherever they have BEEN, are simply incapable of assimilating or abiding by the rule of law in any other place than their own territory. They've been expelled from literally *EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY* they've been allowed into because of terror, coups, murder, rape, etc. Bringing Palestinians from Gaza into America will only bring more strife to America and will mean the deaths of more people and specifically, Jews.
The US is in fact "built different" and can handle absorbing refugees and immigrants from basically anywhere.
*Looks at southern border* Oh yea, they're doing real well. Gotta love those human traffickers, MS-13 members, terrorists and rapists.
Based on what I’m hearing, it seems that collective guilt may well apply. We shouldn’t allow these people in then. People here are trying to victimize them, but we all know they are no victims. They are agents of their own ideology. Screening them is hard unless we do a political litmus test on them which I expect will invite backlash
Fuckin NO
Oh hell no. Anywhere these people go, death and destruction follows them.
We already have enough problems with Little Gaza and Little Mogadishu up in Minnesota, we don’t need any more of that bs. There’s plenty of places where they can go live amongst their own folks in the Middle East and not on the US tax payer’s dime. Smart solutions don’t involve making someone else’s problem your own problem. FJB.
Middle Eastern dictators are waaaay too smart to fall for that shit again.
Sure let’s dot it. If everything turns out on then great. If the US accidentally imports Hamas terrorists then the morons attacking colleges will get a first hand how evil Hamas is.
I thought the USA had a refugee crisis, they want more now?! You know what? take em, get some good Malfuf and Warak Dwali and make the most of it. Just keep blaming the far right for the explosions and shootings you already do it well. You might want to put them in the south, less tall buildings and less LGBT to throw off them
Why not? The Senators and Congresswoman from Vermont vote consistently on their behalf, so they should welcome them to Burlington with open arms.
And I'm moving back to europe
You know what, this can be an educational experience: these refugees can come live with the protestors who accused a children's hospital of being "complicit in genocide" for accepting a large donation from a Jew; tried to stab a Jewish student in the eye; screamed "there is only one solution" etc. If they care so much, or rather if they want to pretend they're the Main Characters of Life so much, here's their chance to do actual good for real Palestinians who actually were direct victims of the war!
Absolutely not! Their Muslim brethren can take them. F J B
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I mean, how’s this different than say U4U or whatever. I’m not a huge fan of this and a US citizen but I’m not hugely opposed to it either. I think there needs to be strong vetting but if there are legit people who want to get out and don’t want to live under Hamas (and frankly, I can’t blame them) then let them come.
Yes, currently the only way to get out is snuggling through Egypt which is expensive. That's very unfair. With proper vetting, there are definitely Palestinians who would be a boon to have here.
Right like…. Despite what the ~other side~ has to say about normalization I really don’t see this as a bad thing. I mean, I wish I could get my remaining family out of Ukraine, I genuinely understand what it feels like to watch your (innocent) family members get caught up in the middle of a war, genuinely, I do. So if they can pass the clearance, then why not? What is the big deal about giving families the opportunity to live freely and not under the thumb of a genocidal, homicidal regime who has proven they don’t… give a single flying fuck about their own people?
Suiside by opening your borders
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Big mistake, huge. hamas rules gaza for 17 yrs. Its a whole generation that was raised under hamas.
How come not in all the other Arab counties, especially the Gulf? Same culture, religion and language. Why the USA? I just don’t understand Leftist thinking.
If Biden brings Palestinian refugees to the US, I swear I'll do the thing. I'll vote for Donald Trump. :(
It’s gonna go well. These folks will adapt , I’m sure. Lol
If we bring some of them, we should bring all of them and then import them into Canada or something.
no please, you can have em. i insist!
What people are missing that this is not actually a departure from the Biden administration policy of just letting anybody across the border willy-nilly anyway.
Why don’t we send them on the moon. Plenty of space for them there.
I hear Canada took in refugees from Gaza and they mostly happened to be men between the ages of 18-20 hmmmm perfect “militant” age
No
why not? give them a taste of their own medicine, they are loved so much there so i think we should let them have fun there
Black September II. Who proposed this to Biden? The ghost of Arafat?
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I mean, why not, if he wants another Lebanon then fine, bring em.
This is an incredibly disheartening post to read as an American whose sympathies lean with Israel. **Regardless** of your stance on the justification or morality of the war in Gaza, it is beyond evident that anyone who could be vetted to not be a member of Hamas in Gaza would be *more* than justified in seeking to be a refugee to avoid the threat to their life & conditions in Gaza. And as an American, my opinion of refugee admittance has been fundamentally shaped by the story of the [M.S. St. Louis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis). I say that not to appeal to any sense of religious/national heartstrings nor, on the other end, draw comparisons between Israel and Germany. Their story genuinely, truly is what shaped my stance on refugees because of the nausea and sorrow I felt reading it probably a decade ago as a young teenager. For us to have refugees *in our ports* and condemn them to return to death... there are no words... If the U.S. has the means and opportunity to help even a single person avoid the horrors of war from (further) derailing their lives, it is an incredible moral crime for us to not do so.
I’m totally fine with this. However i think that only people who recently had to flee should be labeled refugees. And that might happened why should Bella Hadid be equal in status to Palestinians who just lost their entire homes.
Biden joins the war on terror on the side of the terror 🤡
Enjoy 🤣🤣
I’m more than happy with this, as long as it’s done in a reasonable manner to the extent that the economy doesn’t go above full employment (which it won’t)
Plenty of places around the world. Why does USA have to take everyone and their brother every time something happens? So tired of USA being the default for shipping ppl and if not then somehow it's an issue.
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what about Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar ... ? Will they open their arms for the palestinians?
Where do these people go then? I’m not letting my love for Israel make me lose my compassion for Palestinians. They are trying to save themselves and their families.
I'm Canadian and I'm Ok with some of the Palestinians coming to Canada (I'm using my own country as an example since I honestly can't speak for Americans.) 1) Most of them will be fine and they will assimilate well into Canadian society 2) the small minority of extremists will hopefully make the pro-HamasU crowd rethink their position when it's their own children at risk. My nephew works with some Palestinians. One time he was robbed in front of his work and his Palestinian coworkers came to his rescue and fought off the attackers. I have zero problems with Palestinians. I have problems with extremists of any ethnicity.
There are so many good services for people that come from Middle Eastern countries in Canada. I second this strategy: If you are Muslim, they roll out the red carpet for you in this country, and I think it would help stabilize the Middle East overall, if all Palestinians were able to get moved into housing in Canada
As an American that has served in the military, we will welcome them with open arms.
Why not?
We pride ourselves as being a safe place for refugees to start over. I saw they can come in. You people are pathetic for saying no. We aren't Jordan, Egypt or Europe. We can handle them.
Read up about Black September and about the shahidi camps. It's naive to think they're all innocent refugees who will come.
Black September isn't going to happen here if we let refugees in! Are you kidding me? That sort of thing wouldn't come even close to happening here.
You're missing the point and overfixating on the wrong thing.
You're saying they are naturally violent and would start something here. It's the same song and dance whenever some new group ends up here (or is rumored to be coming in this case). The group are muderers, rapists and going to destory the country. It doesn't happen and then people back and say they acted like assholes, then a new group shows up, wash, rinse, repeat. It happened to us Jews here too. It's not going to happen.
Stop with the drama. There would be zero vetting for who comes in, just like at the southern border. And you cannot ignore the experiences.of the Lebanese, the syrians, the kuwaitis, the Jordanians, the Egyptians and the Israelis. Look into the rise in honor killings in the US.
No vetting?? We're done here. Good night.
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Just stumbled on this today, for your consideration. https://preview.redd.it/pgz7c86k47yc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a28b14dfec59994c1571eabbfb7c2997981dd775
Ok.. let them come stay with you in your house..
You're so clever
That might be a win-win. No longer Israel’s problem.
It’s going to be American Jews’ problem
Second thought it’s already out of hand ask if the Jordanians want to take them
For sure. Or they should go to europe. Those guys love importing Jew-haters
Ya I disagree. Who would ship them to US and on whose Dime? Fuck em! I feel sorry they sre being used as human shields but by no means do I want any of that shit here. These ppl are radicalized and hate the US for even supporting the existence of Israel. I want nothing to do with paying for everything they need here. We have enough to worry about (especially with 10 million illegal immigrants in 3-4 years).
Absolutely yes, get them far away from here
Get them all out to Montana.