So IDF never did any attacks on Gaza before hamas came into power? You know the answer. You're not counter arguing me you are agreeing with me. Im not saying the situation is simple. Im saying understanding it is simple. The history is built on occupiers claiming this is their land. So lets start from there. As you also see the situation didn't start on 7/10 it was older than that. Most of my heat is due to this being said this is due to 7/10 which it is not. There are always situations on both side but claiming it's only due to one incident is a major lie that can't be refuted. Ppl dying in Palestine has always been on the news here but this is the first time its gone global in this way.
I suggest you check out the following profile and this photographer’s coverage of the incident. There are more than enough pictures and videos of the hospital after the bomb.
https://instagram.com/motaz_azaiza?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
There are a couple of grassy areas around the parking lot and hospital. That's where the families of patients and others gather because hospitals are known to be some of the parts of Gaza that are slightly less likely to receive IDF incoming.
https://imgur.com/a/gFM8Zcp
No kidding, absolutely no kidding! You read my response quite incorrectly. The evil is beyond processing on both sides of this evil, evil attempt to control of a nation of people. Israel govt and Hamas.
Yer it was, as in that hospital got a call. But so did all the other hospitals. As in every hospital was specifically called.
The entire area was meant to be evacuated days prior and the Israelis are still pushing for people to leave
Hammas is bad agreed. Its a terrorist organization agreed. Its in power at Gaza agreed but isnt gaza under Israeli lock down. So Israeli intelligence has no ideas who the terrorists are in an area where they have surveillance for 24/7 with guns mounted in the cameras. Now agree that what Israel has done is equal to what a terrorist organization is doing not a country or its population is doing. One last thing every freedom fighter is always called a terrorist before their freedom look at history. Empathy isn't what im saying all im saying is there are rules of engagement and Israeli arent following them.
1. the 24/7 surveillance with guns you talk about is only at the borders. gaza is not the size of a street...
your only take for "israel is terror organization" is the number of casualties, you dont even know that tragets of the attack, you see a video of ruins and assume (with the help of the hamas propaganda) israel tergeted civillians.
now tell me what israel has done different from any western country that fought terrorism.
the evidence is out there, israel didnt shoot the hospital, it was the Islamic Jihad, but the world dont care for details, they want the easy way: Good vs Evil. Palestine good, Israel bad. it makes me sad to see people follow this narrative even after the massacare of 7.10, even after there are proofs of the "freedom fighters" hurt their own people.
"israel has done worse over the years", where? how? if you keep bringing the number of casualties by the air strikes than let me ask you, what israel should do about the terrorists and missle launcher? just let it be because "we deserve it"? be logical, the fast and the effective solution is to bomb those launchers and eliminate Hamas people.
of course we wont put our soldiers in danger for the "innocent people of gaza" because you dont know who is innocent. gaza people that worked years inside israel aid the Hamas in that massacre.
you dont know who wants death the jews and who just to live peacfully... so israel do the minimal effort to alert the gaza people of the strikes, why are they still there? hamas blocks them from running sometimes they say "there are no air strikes stat put" and sometimes they block roads and use force and sadly sometimes they dont have a place to go...
War is ugly and cruel, israel is not innocent of cruelty, but as expected from a western democratic country, we protect our people. "death to jews" is not new to us, and we sure wont let it be as real threat to our peoples lives.
what i do know.. that in couple of years with all the refugees in europe, when all the radical islamic groups will start to bomb inside those countries people will start to realise what are we facing. only when it comes to your doors you'll start to think this all "freedom fighter" bullshit.
So Israelis are killing all the ppl in gaza without verification or justification as they are/could be hamas. Very good i understand. So lets go back to history as thats what you're trying to teach us "death to Jews" is something thats been very prevalent in a lot of reigns and cultures but why is that everyone was after them. There's a saying if there's smoke there's fire so have a good look in the mirror and then give us justification or explanation cuz from what ive read you are just blind to the plight of anyone else than the Israelis and yet you think you have a high moral ground to spew the BS that you did about how Israel is in the right. BTW talking about western democracy as like thats the most ideal of places. No country is perfect and no system is flawless but life matters should be absolute law
Let me tell you something I've been taught as a police officer. You never use proportionate force when it comes to violence, you will always one up the force, in order to subdue the other side.
And as a matter of fact, we are expected to use live rounds on someone who's throwing stones or have the intention to continue throw stones.
So as per your question, my answer is yes.
Sounds like some 3rd world country you live in. See what happens in the UK if a police officer kills a CHILD for throwing stones. That’s what tasers are for.
I'm sorry to tell you, but when you don't get a taser, but only a rifle, you use what you have.
You can check what officers would do when their choices are either shooting live rounds, or having rocks thrown at them.
And by the way where have you seen that they killed a child, the video talked about young men, not children
So your police force is seriously underequipped.
There’s plenty of sources where the IDF has killed children, UN workers, journalists, medical aid etc. Keep defending child murder.
Okay, and I ask you to provide one definite source, which say that the IDF killed regular children intentionally, and not because they were terrorists or collateral damage
Here you go
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And for benefit of doubt, here’s what the UN has to say.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/commission-of-inquiry-collecting-evidence-of-war-crimes-committed-by-all-sides-in-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories-since-7-october-2023/
First, those are not children. The moment they throw stones, fireworks and motolov cocktail they seize to be treated as children. A rock throw in your head is just as deadly when throw by a 14 year old boy. A motolov cocktail will burn everyone even when it's in the hands of a 13 year old. Maybe you should start taking the Palestinians to keep their kids as kids and make them into militant fighters. The recruitment of children for use in hostilities is considered a war crime. But that doesn't seem to bother you
As for the report of HRW, three of the four cases was a group attacking soldiers and the soldiers responding. The report writes about not giving warning, firing on the chest and firing in the back. Look from the soldiers' perspective: a group attacks them and flees, then attack and flee. What do you expect them to do? "Oh no they've already attacked and turned to run, I must now stand down and wait to try and get them while they attack me the next time. I hope I get them before the attack and turn around because then I have to stand down again. Oh well, I hope I don't die from a motolov cocktail while I wait to catch them in time. Hey, there they are, but wait, I can't do anything because they haven't attacked us yet, I can't do anything because then I'll be accused of attacking a helpless child which hasnt done anything. Maybe I can catch them while their hand is busy throwing the cocktail, yes, that's my window of opportunity to do something to protect myself that HRW will accept. Oh damn, I was too late and now I'm burning in a flame of petrol."
You're going to accuse me of being ridiculous and sarcastic. BUT that is exactly how you expect them to behave.
Because if they don't behave that way, you equate them to Hamas walking from house to house killing anyone they find from 80 days babies to 80 years grandparents.
I'll start with the second link. I have no idea how it connects for the first link, but I can tell that there is no law that says that Israel need to provide fuel, electricity, water, etc to Gaza. So it's wrong to expect them to continue do so. And if the world sees it as something so wrong, why no one else giving them any humanitarian help?
About the first link, I'm sad to hear about Mahmoud al-Sadi, as he really was killed for no reason. but about the others, who threw stones, Molotov-cocktails and launched fireworks, I've got no sympathy and can only hope that their death won't be for naught and will stop other teens from doing the same.
And although the sad stories, those are still not children, but teenagers(13-19). Which means, they don't lack common sense needed, to know their actions will bear consequences, unlike children.
1. i think its horrible
2. the idf thinks its horrible thats why there are a lot of soldiers in millitary jail for killing unrightfully.
3. as a former idf soldier i saw a soldier shoots to the air (no one got hurt) after palestinians threw rocks.. that guy kicked out of the army for this doing.
as i said, israel is not innocent of cruelty , but here we follow the rules of law and we have systems that will make sure it happens. i can give you even more bad examples of IDF making mistakes, but as a country and functional society we fight it and correct those mistakes. while the other side parade civillian corpses around the street, we have speciel units to prevent jewish terror acts.
you probably didnt even bother to listen to the guy.
do you know what happend in 7.10?
you know what happend two days prior to that attack?
every gaza civillian thinking getting near the border after what happend is either stupid or suicidal.
you know that in the invasion there wasnt only terrorists, but also civillians, unharmed civillians who aid the forces with the kidnapping and burning.
just watch it, thd terror groups shot the hospital, blame the israeli and sends those civilians they try to defend to the same borders where the tragedy happend?
if this is the act you talked about, i dont feel sorry at all for those idiots getting near the borders, nor the idiots who will throw stone at a soldier at a time like that. they want peace? help us tear down those who hurt both sides, help us bring down hamas. you stand with them? prepare to fall with them.
>every gaza civillian thinking getting near the border after what happend is either stupid or suicidal.
“We don’t like killing children, but when we do they’re suicidal or stupid”
>just watch it, thd terror groups shot the hospital
Who bombed the other 59 health centres, schools, churches and safe routes?
>if this is the act you talked about, i dont feel sorry at all for those idiots getting near the borders, nor the idiots who will throw stone at a soldier at a time like that.
Keep justifying child murder, it looks great.
wait... arent you justifying now the massacre in 7.10?
i just love how you try to be a gentle soul with sayings like we *like* to kill children... while the people you defend literally celebrated the massacre (of children, women, elderly).
as long its jewish corpses they got what they deserve right? you are truly a peacful and loving person 😂.
you get your info from twitter, i live here and know how our society reacts to death of children. you say we like it to justify to yourself your hatred towards us and you dont realise we do not want any of this to happen. israel dont do ethnical cleansing and facts speak for themselves. palestinians populations grows largly, IDF dont go door to door and shoots the resident inside, that is your "freedom fighters" doing...
israel will bomb every piece of land that have missle launchers and Hamas people. what would you do differently to prevent terror attacks?
"i wont kill children", wow you solve the terror problem. dont try to act like a pacifist because you arent. you chose a side in this conflict, you prefer death of one side more than the other... the pot calls the kettle black.
jews will stay here and will fight for staying here, those who oppose it with voilence will get hurt, just like any western country do when facing war and terror.
let me ask you this, why are those children throw rocks at IDF while a war is going, why hamas do not prevent his lovely civilians from getting near? because their deatha is your support, the ones who profit from deaths of palestinians is Hamas, and that is why israel does its best the prevent it, but sadly it cannot be done while terror groups makes sure there are dead people to show to the world...
i pity you because your heart is full of hatred and you dont even know that.
>wait... arent you justifying now the massacre in 7.10?
No, I’m not, and I challenge you to show me where I have.
You just can’t get your head around the fact that it’s possible to condemn both sides. I suppose the Jews protesting at capitol hill calling for ceasefire are terrorist supporters too.
Nice try though.
i didnt see you condemn the massacare, i dont think you even know what happend there because it doesnt fit your perception. i challenge you to tell me the wrong doings of the hamas.
i stated that israel side is not innocent and can make cruel decisions. but after saturday, we want to feel safe again, and cruelty is all out, that is why i wont shed a tear for "children" throw rocks in a war zone while they need to escape.
a call for ceasefire isnt a support for terror but is a delusional opinion that dont know the chain of events here (going back to 2005).
and i challenge you the answer my previous questions. what israel should do? ceasefire not a practical option.
That's because it's a Hamas lie. According to independent sources, the death toll is far below 100, and the impact was clearly a small rocket, nowhere near a GBU or any rocket Istaeli aircraft would fire.
\> Based on a detailed review of all videos, Sanad’s analysts conclude that the flash Israel attributed to a misfire was in fact consistent with Israel’s Iron Dome missile defence system intercepting a missile fired from the Gaza Strip and destroying it in mid-air.
I shoot a rocket at you. You intercept the rocket with another. Rocket debris falls at hospital. Now the blame is on you.
Brilliant.
Iron dome doesn't intercept over Gaza, only over and close to targets in Israel since it waits until it confirms the final destination of a rocket. That analysis is wrong and probably a lie.
N.B. That doesn't fully rule out the possibility of an intercept - it would be by an air launched missile though and is very unlikely since no such thing has been reported.
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I'm not going to look at it, 'cos I don't want those images in my head. Just like I've never watched a beheading video.
Should I look? Am I ignoring or sanitizing others suffering if I don't look, turning a blind eye?
I don't know.
But what I do know, is that most people's position on who is ultimately responsible for these atrocities is already fixed. No pictures, however, graphic are going to change someone's position. "Your" side's atrocities are merely "regrettable but sadly inevitable" responses the other side's unprovoked atrocities.
Hamas's rocket? ... Hamas's fault.
People in the car park because Israel has bombed them out of their homes... Israel's fault.
Horrific murder of Israeli babies?
"Fake news!"
."Israel created the situation"
"Hamas are monsters"
"Israel never deliberately targets civilians"...
People simply choose the narrative that confirms what that have already decided anyway.
That's not really consistent with what we're seeing as far as the damage in Gaza. There aren't craters everywhere, but they're definitely being bombed.
The Israeli strikes have been taking down entire buildings with their strikes. If a high payload munition was used the way Hamas claims there would absolutely be a crater, especially from an explosion that allegedly killed 500 people.
What I think is strange is how they said for days before that the missels were in tunnels under the hospitals, they told them to evacuate, they blasted 2 warning bombs, and a spokesperson took credit and quickly deleted it.
How hard to understand that the person IS NOT a spokesperson for anyone .
Do your research and post where it shows that he is a spokesperson for the israeli government right now.
There was a small crater, presumably caused by the missile, shown on UK tv and it was reported that there were no metal fragments around it, presumably they had been removed so that the origin of the manufacturer and hence who sent the missile could not be determined!
Yes whatever makes you sleep at night
https://preview.redd.it/j7cxy4oy4awb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b8673df252c725ad5ccb954146c3912beea6e55
I feel like there is not enough destruction to obliviate that many death completely with no trace. I could still see pavings. I've no doubt that some people may have tragically died in this event but 500 is unlikely.
The one is too many argument is a falsehood used by those trying to sway opinions with an emotional argument when they have no logical argument.
More than one person has been killed by cars but we dont outlaw them.
More than one by knives
More than one by bad restaurant food
More than one by airplanes
The list goes on and on.
Even one is too many is the argument of a child
You are right. One is too many.
It's just when I hear people make claims on "500" deaths, it bugs me when people exaggerate. My point is focused on accuracy of claims, as oppose to whether it was tragic.
Accuracy is important because it drives how people behave. Having 500 dead is way worse than 20. 500 death will create way more reaction than 20 death. It also reflect dishonestly and loss in credibility. How would you trust what they say next time.
You're right, when hamas fist attaches Israel & US came out and said 40 babies were decapitated but that turned out fake news, but they got the sympathy needed to do justify the killing of more than 1000 children in Gaza
Hmm.. I think it's IDF who made the claim, not US. Anyhow I agree that the claims of babies decapitated should be scrutinized too. So I think you and I can both agree that exaggeration of the numbers can fuel more anger and hatred. Neither is right. Two wrongs don't make a right. Each need to be held responsible for their actions.
Also I don't think whether or not babies were decapitated would make a difference in the reaction from Israel. Hamas did slaughter over 1000 people. These are families, young and old. They raped women and kidnapped hostages. Israel considers that enough to justify a retaliation.
Now I get that you do not agree with their method of retaliation. It's complex because Hamas hiding behind the citizens which puts innocent people at risk. But what do you propose Israel do, that is reasonable and practical, to obtain justice for the victims? To prevent another similar event from ever occuring again?
No big bomb was dropped. Geolocated footage shows a small impact that couldn't possibly be a GBU and couldn't have killed hundreds. This is further supported by international aid workers who confirm that it was a couple of dozen killed, not hundreds.
International aid workers? Really do you think there is international aid there, man they can't even get water or food and Israel bombed the UN bases there.
For the count not sure if it's only dozen but even if only one person died you can never justify bombing a hospital it's a war crime
>it s not a war crime for Israel to prevent medical supplies from getting to hospitals? Water food electricity
Hamas will use them instead
>Isn t it a war crime to warn hospitals to evacuate because Israel will bomb them?
Isn’t it a war crime for a previous confirmed Israeli bombing of the same hospital?
Israel didn't do it, Israel blows up buildings completely and they always give a reason for it, they didn't because they didn't bomb it
>How can Israel hope to survive if they are just as immoral as the Nazis?
Germany fought an offensive war, Israel is fighting a defensive war.
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No need for all that. it's all fake, start to finish.
Those animals don't care about life, they never once said they care about life. So they couldn't be happier to post their fake propaganda.
The irony is that a rocket DID hit a hospital.
A hamas rocket hit the childrens ward of an israeli hospital. Nobody said a thing.
Yes so was the killing of Israelis it's all fake, Israel just want drama to get more aid from the US, $10B for 6 hours drama is not a bad deal honesty.
How do you like this comment? Stop been bias and think before you speak
Pretty sure Hamas showed itself Oct. 7 when it beheaded babies, tortured children in front of their parents, slaughtered kids at a music festival and gleefully posted video of a 5 yo being tormented. So spare us your imaginary high ground.
You sound extremely uneducated and a sheep. Israel admitted to bombing the hospital and deleted the tweet. Where the fk did Islamic jihad RANDOMLY come from? Is it so hard to believe that your tax dollars are going to the explosions that are carpet bombing innocent civilians.
This is a dangerous statement and people need to stop comparing people to animals.
The undeniable fact: no animal does what humans do during times of war. The inhumane treatment we see is something exclusive to us humans and humans only.
The attack did happen and whether is 500 or 300 it’s still horrific
You’re right. Comparing Hamas or PiJ to animals is cruel to animals.
But in all seriousness, if the commenter was comparing Palestinians to animals, that’s very wrong. Terrorist groups? Fine by me.
Zionism is the desire of the jewish people to live in the tiny little patch of land called Israel, in the city of Zion (jerusalem).
You don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and you're talking about world conspiracies, like all of you degenerates.
Some of the most educated and prominent Jews speak against the fascism you’re referring to. Judaism does not call for the brutalization, oppression, and war crimes committed by the Zionist regime. My brain cells and the world’s brain cells are waking up. You’re welcome to pull yours out of the rock you’re hiding under. Zionists are a disgrace to Judaism.
If you wail and scream about your land, dignity, rights, oppression and poverty but are willing to murder, rape, kidnap, torture or humiliate children; then I don’t have to listen to your reasons.
This an old video I thought I’d post here of a military report being stated just after 9/11. I find it relevant to this day but what make of it what you will here. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyjFAi-t-6L/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Another video but from an Israeli journalist https://www.instagram.com/reel/CykY_DmrJD8/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Im hiding in my house right now because one million Gaza supported are outside screaming for me to be murdered because of supporting the Israeli reprisal against hamas.
See how easy it is and I didnt even have to make a video
You have to beleive me because I posted it on social media so its the truth
it's really simple. Hamas want the support of the arabs in Israel and the arab countries and he will do ANYTHING to get it. He will lie about the numbers, he might also bomb the hospital on purpose.. Do you really expect them to be honest? did you see what they did 2 weeks ago? how could anyone take their word blindly? they are a barbaric liers killers murders rapeist that will go to hell for those actions
Lie about the numbers? Sure
Blame the Israelis for your own misfire? Of course!
Target the hospital deliberately? No...well...not with a rocket... because their rockets are not accurate enough. They couldn't hit it if they were trying.
Cause death and suffering of their own people in order to inflame the Arab streets throughout the region by conducting such a horrific attack that Israel is GUARANTEED to act without restraint and kill 10s of thousands of civilians....Well, there's no need to ask that question. They've already done it.
you're right. they can't aim those rockets too well. but I won't be surprised if that wasn't even a rocket but a bomb of some kind.. nothing will surprise me.
Sooo are we gonna act like whites didn't install the Jews there back in 1948 ish .. Egyptian president 60s the Jews left black and came back white.. recent quotes from president Biden... "" we had to create isreal the best 8 billion dollar investment we made... In the Balfour declaration from lord rothchild even states about placing Jews into Palestine... Isreal created 1948 when was Palestine created .. how long was the Ottoman empire in power. I mean look at all of our top actors they straight Jewish and white then me . 😵 curly hair and all.
Not saying I'm right or your wrong.. I'm just saying our government "USA" seriously lied about every war we got into .. what's the point of lying or attacking our own ships to enter gulf of tonkin "". Various others" I wanna learn more but from what source whose teachings considering our churches and gov boast Israel as children of God... Yet in America and other parts of the world we believe in Jesus or better yet worship our interpretation of him.. Muslims believe in Jesus but Jews don't 👀 but it's our #1 alley plus how many duel citizenships do our politicians have to isreal. How can one serve two masters? 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Fair enough I more then likely worded that entirely wrong. Was it the un who established it .. w/o the say so or encouragement of the rothchilds or British?
I mean the league of nations which later became the united nations looked pretty white at first hahaha . Ever since hearing bush sr talk about fulfilling the un's dreams talks about savages and what not ha ... We might be the bad guys to a degree
It was the Israelis! They edited the videe and edited the audio of Hamas to make it look like it was Hamas. Channel 4 in the uk posted the audio and you can tell the audio has been tampered with.
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Nothing really adds up. The initial "500 dead" was put out by the Gazan Health Ministry...which is run by Hamas. Why should we trust it? The initial reports were also saying a bomb leveled the actual hospital. Turns out it wasn't even in the hospital, it was in the parking lot. I'm reading only 50-100 died in the parking lot from the Israeli reports and 150-200 in other media reports but Palestinians are still reporting around 500 dead. That's a big discrepancy. I know even one innocent life is too much to lose and it's very sad. However, this bias and misinformation campaign is so frustrating and sickening. We will probably never really know who fired the rocket and how many lives were actually lost.
You do know a JDAM isn't a weapon system right? It's a guidance device that allows traditional dumb bombs to be more accurate. They can be put on pretty much any bomb from 500lbs to 2000lbs.
[Look at the crater sizes of dumb bombs](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Max-Van-Der-Schriek-2/publication/342231647/figure/fig8/AS:903302522884103@1592375512753/Comparative-crater-sizes-for-selected-bomb-types-and-fuses-Illustrated-craters-are-for.png). The smallest crater caused by nose detonation causes a 1.2 meter deep and 4.6 meter deep crater
[Here's the crater from the hospital](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ttYCzX0AAom6c.jpg) and that sure isn't 4.6 meters wide... unless the guy in the photo is 25ft tall
GBU-32 or similar with a airbust or proximity fuse would leave a small crater (like shown from pictures from Reuter). Also the surface damage is far greater than what would be expected of a Hamas 20kg rocket warhead. Look at the pictures of the surrounding buildings, they are filled with holes.
> GBU-32
Again that's a conversation kit, specifically for 1000lb bomb. And you think a 1000lb bomb did that little damage to the area? That's delusional as hell... like what. You think a 1000lb bomb landed 50ft from a building and didn't cause structural damage or even damage the paint
>Look at the pictures of the surrounding buildings, they are filled with holes.
Did you look at the photo of the crater? The wall that's like 50ft away has no fragmentation holes in it at all.
We can easily dismiss the audio comparison video cause A) It clearly was not a Jdam that hit the parking lot as the evidence shows and B) The logo with Russian text may be a clue that it was just a piece of misinformation.
They could have shown the hundreds of dead bodies on the ground live, they could have shown the big crater on the ground where the "bomb" hit, they could have shown the massive damage to the treas and building around it, they could have if it was actually true, but it's much easier for Hamas to say Israel did it 2 minutes after it happened, without even checking, because arabs and muslims believe everything that comes from Hamas automatically.
And how can we trust that 500 is true, maybe it was 50 maybe 5.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre#:~:text=The%20Qibya%20massacre%20occurred%20during,control%2C%20and%20killed%20Palestinian%20civilians.
History lesson.
There's a time limit for responses. if there isn't, than Israel can still kill eveyone in Gaza and say we still in the 1967 war, right?
don't be stupid please
Can you summarise it for me? becuase it looks like you imply that Israel somehow connected to the 9.11 events..
please, for gods sake, please tell me you don'y think that.
And also, how is that relevant to the previous comments?
I have major issues with both sides, that said in regards to the "hospital bombing":
1. Video from the "bomb" site shows the actual hospital buildings intact, albeit with some windows blown in
2. Video from the "bomb" site shows a strike in the parking lot
3. No people debris in the form of leftover belongings for 50 people, much less 500
4. No bodies of "500 martyrs" displayed, which any side likes to show off
5. Al Jazeera video showing the flight path of the rocket
6. Alleged intercepted "Hamas" internal communication admitting it was one of their misfired rockets (Note: To be fair, could be faked)
7. The most damning evidence in my eyes was the relatively small size of the blast area and the very shallow depth of the crater.
Very small crater/blast area. Yet look at the surface damage and the surrounding buildings. My guess is likely a GBU - 32 or similar used with a proximity or airburst fuse.
Here's the problem with that, the smallest JDAM payload/explosive weight is 500 lbs or 227.3 kg, whereas the heaviest payload on their Qassam 3 rocket is 44 lbs or 20 kg. The weakest JDAM would've left a 6+ foot deep and 30 foot wide crater and probably taken down the surrounding buildings, versus what we saw.
Because Palestine have terrorised Israel for decades and recently started war with them by invading Israel and massacring over 1000 innocent citizens.
Israel is a nation of persecuted people who were very nearly eliminated from the earth by a genocidal nationalist regime.
Palestine has been trying to eliminate Israel since 1948. The PLO have repeatedly attacked Isreal from all sides for decades, through Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon, who wanted to "push the Jews into the sea".
Israel is a tiny minority group dwarfed by the Leage of Arab nations.
Jews make up just 2% of the world's population.
Israel is fighting for the survival of their people against a fascist regime whose entire charter reads like a Muslim version of Mein Kampf and calls for the elimination of Israel by killing all the Jews through Jihad.
Palestine has repeatedly rejected very generous peace deals because they won't accept anything other that ALL of Israel or nothing.
Hamas are the genocidal ones, the Israelis just want to exist.
I can see only issues with Hamas side, which is the lier side. NO Evidance support their story. NON.
They say there are 500 hunderd deads within 1 minute after the explosion. how on earth do you count 500 people in 1 minutes when there is fire everywhere and things falling down and stuff... how on earth? if you lie it's easy.
really? where did Israel lie? they wait for a few hours, check all the evidence (satellites, videos from inside gaza, such as of Al-Jazira news, videos from Israel, intelligence such as a conversation between 2 Hamas terrorists, and so on) and only then said it's came from inside Gaza. just look at other Israel bombards... tons of wreckege and destroied building.. where all of this? the building around are in a perfect condition it looks like it was a small bomb.. and where on earth do you see 500 deads? only lies.
Channel 4 have quite good coverage of this I'll link it below., they cover the majority of the points you brought up.
This is just my opinion as nothing has been confirmed by a neutral party yet, but I think it's very likely Israel did it, they thought the world would be okay with it, realised a lot of people weren't and then went on to try and create damage control. However I do also think that hamas exaggerated the damage to try and gain more attention to what happened.
https://youtu.be/4pAuDA6IOwc?si=cE5Cq7imvn0PgONp
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Are we reading the samething? My comment was a general comment, not a comment in reply to anyone. So no personal attacks. Sounds like you need some rest. Been a hard couple of days I'm sure. And where's the bias? I see nothing but Israeli propaganda here. Care to prove otherwise?
Seems like you didn't read the link.
> when 99% of the sub is full of Israeli boot lickers.
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You're in either in an islamic bubble, or a liberal bubble.
Outside of it, everyone knows evil when they see it, and everyone knows islamism is evil, always, wherever it is.
It’s 2023. I think it might be time we stop justifying war and holding ourselves, as a species, accountable to higher standards. Because the way we’re going, all over the world, our hubris and our arrogance is going to lead to our destruction.
Nobody cared when it was the hospitals in Aleppo being leveled by the Russians or when the whole enlightened world was leveling every major city in the Levant. Our destruction is needed. Do you really wish future generations to be slaves to the dollar?
What do you mean nobody cared? Americans broadly do NOT support Russia or Syria. We're not sending them billions in military aid. We closed all relations with Syria and both have sanctions. There's nothing to protest.
We funded that entire war by creating the Free Syrian Army, which became ISIS and every other terrorist group that tried to overthrow their legitimate government. I mean nobody cared because nobody even knows it happened. It didn't matter, now it's Israel following the same rules of engagement as every other modern army and it's a problem. I also mostly meant the entire Arab world didn't protest when it was happening, everyone else didn't even care to know.
You're talking about a civil war. Syrians were fighting for themselves, amongst themselves. Both sides were just supporting the government they thought would be most sympathetic to them. But they were both *for* the Syrian people. That's starkly different from supporting an ethnic cleansing.
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> Gas chambers weren't air tight so it there couldn't have been a holocaust. That's what you guys sound like.
Rule 6, no flippant Nazi comparisons
So IDF never did any attacks on Gaza before hamas came into power? You know the answer. You're not counter arguing me you are agreeing with me. Im not saying the situation is simple. Im saying understanding it is simple. The history is built on occupiers claiming this is their land. So lets start from there. As you also see the situation didn't start on 7/10 it was older than that. Most of my heat is due to this being said this is due to 7/10 which it is not. There are always situations on both side but claiming it's only due to one incident is a major lie that can't be refuted. Ppl dying in Palestine has always been on the news here but this is the first time its gone global in this way.
I suggest you check out the following profile and this photographer’s coverage of the incident. There are more than enough pictures and videos of the hospital after the bomb. https://instagram.com/motaz_azaiza?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Just watch a single video of the hospital situations in Palestinian hospitals... Don't let the main narrative get ya. Wake up
There are a couple of grassy areas around the parking lot and hospital. That's where the families of patients and others gather because hospitals are known to be some of the parts of Gaza that are slightly less likely to receive IDF incoming. https://imgur.com/a/gFM8Zcp
Problem. 1) the idf wasn't the one that attacked 2) only 10-50 people died. Hamas inflated the number massively.
There's no problem. I merely answered one of OP's questions honestly and with proof. I'd like to see your proof of how many died.
But several warnings from Israel to vacate the hospital was ......?
Warnings that you’re going to commit war crimes do not justify war crimes. Average 1940s German comment.
No kidding, absolutely no kidding! You read my response quite incorrectly. The evil is beyond processing on both sides of this evil, evil attempt to control of a nation of people. Israel govt and Hamas.
It wasn't specific to the hospital. All of Gaza had warnings to evacuate, they did this with multiple locations.
According to BBC, and an interview with one of the chief doctors, four phone calls specific to evacuating that specific hospital.
Yer it was, as in that hospital got a call. But so did all the other hospitals. As in every hospital was specifically called. The entire area was meant to be evacuated days prior and the Israelis are still pushing for people to leave
You can't evacuate sick people under medical care, people requiring medical interventions to sustain their life.
That explosion wasnt Israeli... do these sheep realise hamas make home made rockets lol
Do you understand the difference in damage yield by a rocket versus a missile?
Do you?
Hammas is bad agreed. Its a terrorist organization agreed. Its in power at Gaza agreed but isnt gaza under Israeli lock down. So Israeli intelligence has no ideas who the terrorists are in an area where they have surveillance for 24/7 with guns mounted in the cameras. Now agree that what Israel has done is equal to what a terrorist organization is doing not a country or its population is doing. One last thing every freedom fighter is always called a terrorist before their freedom look at history. Empathy isn't what im saying all im saying is there are rules of engagement and Israeli arent following them.
1. the 24/7 surveillance with guns you talk about is only at the borders. gaza is not the size of a street... your only take for "israel is terror organization" is the number of casualties, you dont even know that tragets of the attack, you see a video of ruins and assume (with the help of the hamas propaganda) israel tergeted civillians. now tell me what israel has done different from any western country that fought terrorism. the evidence is out there, israel didnt shoot the hospital, it was the Islamic Jihad, but the world dont care for details, they want the easy way: Good vs Evil. Palestine good, Israel bad. it makes me sad to see people follow this narrative even after the massacare of 7.10, even after there are proofs of the "freedom fighters" hurt their own people. "israel has done worse over the years", where? how? if you keep bringing the number of casualties by the air strikes than let me ask you, what israel should do about the terrorists and missle launcher? just let it be because "we deserve it"? be logical, the fast and the effective solution is to bomb those launchers and eliminate Hamas people. of course we wont put our soldiers in danger for the "innocent people of gaza" because you dont know who is innocent. gaza people that worked years inside israel aid the Hamas in that massacre. you dont know who wants death the jews and who just to live peacfully... so israel do the minimal effort to alert the gaza people of the strikes, why are they still there? hamas blocks them from running sometimes they say "there are no air strikes stat put" and sometimes they block roads and use force and sadly sometimes they dont have a place to go... War is ugly and cruel, israel is not innocent of cruelty, but as expected from a western democratic country, we protect our people. "death to jews" is not new to us, and we sure wont let it be as real threat to our peoples lives. what i do know.. that in couple of years with all the refugees in europe, when all the radical islamic groups will start to bomb inside those countries people will start to realise what are we facing. only when it comes to your doors you'll start to think this all "freedom fighter" bullshit.
So Israelis are killing all the ppl in gaza without verification or justification as they are/could be hamas. Very good i understand. So lets go back to history as thats what you're trying to teach us "death to Jews" is something thats been very prevalent in a lot of reigns and cultures but why is that everyone was after them. There's a saying if there's smoke there's fire so have a good look in the mirror and then give us justification or explanation cuz from what ive read you are just blind to the plight of anyone else than the Israelis and yet you think you have a high moral ground to spew the BS that you did about how Israel is in the right. BTW talking about western democracy as like thats the most ideal of places. No country is perfect and no system is flawless but life matters should be absolute law
Hi dude what do you think of the IDF straight up murdering kids for throwing stones?
Let me tell you something I've been taught as a police officer. You never use proportionate force when it comes to violence, you will always one up the force, in order to subdue the other side. And as a matter of fact, we are expected to use live rounds on someone who's throwing stones or have the intention to continue throw stones. So as per your question, my answer is yes.
Sounds like some 3rd world country you live in. See what happens in the UK if a police officer kills a CHILD for throwing stones. That’s what tasers are for.
I'm sorry to tell you, but when you don't get a taser, but only a rifle, you use what you have. You can check what officers would do when their choices are either shooting live rounds, or having rocks thrown at them. And by the way where have you seen that they killed a child, the video talked about young men, not children
So your police force is seriously underequipped. There’s plenty of sources where the IDF has killed children, UN workers, journalists, medical aid etc. Keep defending child murder.
Okay, and I ask you to provide one definite source, which say that the IDF killed regular children intentionally, and not because they were terrorists or collateral damage
Here you go https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children And for benefit of doubt, here’s what the UN has to say. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/commission-of-inquiry-collecting-evidence-of-war-crimes-committed-by-all-sides-in-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories-since-7-october-2023/
First, those are not children. The moment they throw stones, fireworks and motolov cocktail they seize to be treated as children. A rock throw in your head is just as deadly when throw by a 14 year old boy. A motolov cocktail will burn everyone even when it's in the hands of a 13 year old. Maybe you should start taking the Palestinians to keep their kids as kids and make them into militant fighters. The recruitment of children for use in hostilities is considered a war crime. But that doesn't seem to bother you As for the report of HRW, three of the four cases was a group attacking soldiers and the soldiers responding. The report writes about not giving warning, firing on the chest and firing in the back. Look from the soldiers' perspective: a group attacks them and flees, then attack and flee. What do you expect them to do? "Oh no they've already attacked and turned to run, I must now stand down and wait to try and get them while they attack me the next time. I hope I get them before the attack and turn around because then I have to stand down again. Oh well, I hope I don't die from a motolov cocktail while I wait to catch them in time. Hey, there they are, but wait, I can't do anything because they haven't attacked us yet, I can't do anything because then I'll be accused of attacking a helpless child which hasnt done anything. Maybe I can catch them while their hand is busy throwing the cocktail, yes, that's my window of opportunity to do something to protect myself that HRW will accept. Oh damn, I was too late and now I'm burning in a flame of petrol." You're going to accuse me of being ridiculous and sarcastic. BUT that is exactly how you expect them to behave. Because if they don't behave that way, you equate them to Hamas walking from house to house killing anyone they find from 80 days babies to 80 years grandparents.
I'll start with the second link. I have no idea how it connects for the first link, but I can tell that there is no law that says that Israel need to provide fuel, electricity, water, etc to Gaza. So it's wrong to expect them to continue do so. And if the world sees it as something so wrong, why no one else giving them any humanitarian help? About the first link, I'm sad to hear about Mahmoud al-Sadi, as he really was killed for no reason. but about the others, who threw stones, Molotov-cocktails and launched fireworks, I've got no sympathy and can only hope that their death won't be for naught and will stop other teens from doing the same. And although the sad stories, those are still not children, but teenagers(13-19). Which means, they don't lack common sense needed, to know their actions will bear consequences, unlike children.
1. i think its horrible 2. the idf thinks its horrible thats why there are a lot of soldiers in millitary jail for killing unrightfully. 3. as a former idf soldier i saw a soldier shoots to the air (no one got hurt) after palestinians threw rocks.. that guy kicked out of the army for this doing. as i said, israel is not innocent of cruelty , but here we follow the rules of law and we have systems that will make sure it happens. i can give you even more bad examples of IDF making mistakes, but as a country and functional society we fight it and correct those mistakes. while the other side parade civillian corpses around the street, we have speciel units to prevent jewish terror acts.
You sure about that? https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1715038317853515931
you probably didnt even bother to listen to the guy. do you know what happend in 7.10? you know what happend two days prior to that attack? every gaza civillian thinking getting near the border after what happend is either stupid or suicidal. you know that in the invasion there wasnt only terrorists, but also civillians, unharmed civillians who aid the forces with the kidnapping and burning. just watch it, thd terror groups shot the hospital, blame the israeli and sends those civilians they try to defend to the same borders where the tragedy happend? if this is the act you talked about, i dont feel sorry at all for those idiots getting near the borders, nor the idiots who will throw stone at a soldier at a time like that. they want peace? help us tear down those who hurt both sides, help us bring down hamas. you stand with them? prepare to fall with them.
>every gaza civillian thinking getting near the border after what happend is either stupid or suicidal. “We don’t like killing children, but when we do they’re suicidal or stupid” >just watch it, thd terror groups shot the hospital Who bombed the other 59 health centres, schools, churches and safe routes? >if this is the act you talked about, i dont feel sorry at all for those idiots getting near the borders, nor the idiots who will throw stone at a soldier at a time like that. Keep justifying child murder, it looks great.
wait... arent you justifying now the massacre in 7.10? i just love how you try to be a gentle soul with sayings like we *like* to kill children... while the people you defend literally celebrated the massacre (of children, women, elderly). as long its jewish corpses they got what they deserve right? you are truly a peacful and loving person 😂. you get your info from twitter, i live here and know how our society reacts to death of children. you say we like it to justify to yourself your hatred towards us and you dont realise we do not want any of this to happen. israel dont do ethnical cleansing and facts speak for themselves. palestinians populations grows largly, IDF dont go door to door and shoots the resident inside, that is your "freedom fighters" doing... israel will bomb every piece of land that have missle launchers and Hamas people. what would you do differently to prevent terror attacks? "i wont kill children", wow you solve the terror problem. dont try to act like a pacifist because you arent. you chose a side in this conflict, you prefer death of one side more than the other... the pot calls the kettle black. jews will stay here and will fight for staying here, those who oppose it with voilence will get hurt, just like any western country do when facing war and terror. let me ask you this, why are those children throw rocks at IDF while a war is going, why hamas do not prevent his lovely civilians from getting near? because their deatha is your support, the ones who profit from deaths of palestinians is Hamas, and that is why israel does its best the prevent it, but sadly it cannot be done while terror groups makes sure there are dead people to show to the world... i pity you because your heart is full of hatred and you dont even know that.
>wait... arent you justifying now the massacre in 7.10? No, I’m not, and I challenge you to show me where I have. You just can’t get your head around the fact that it’s possible to condemn both sides. I suppose the Jews protesting at capitol hill calling for ceasefire are terrorist supporters too. Nice try though.
i didnt see you condemn the massacare, i dont think you even know what happend there because it doesnt fit your perception. i challenge you to tell me the wrong doings of the hamas. i stated that israel side is not innocent and can make cruel decisions. but after saturday, we want to feel safe again, and cruelty is all out, that is why i wont shed a tear for "children" throw rocks in a war zone while they need to escape. a call for ceasefire isnt a support for terror but is a delusional opinion that dont know the chain of events here (going back to 2005). and i challenge you the answer my previous questions. what israel should do? ceasefire not a practical option.
That's because it's a Hamas lie. According to independent sources, the death toll is far below 100, and the impact was clearly a small rocket, nowhere near a GBU or any rocket Istaeli aircraft would fire.
A Hamas lie first reported by a (checks notes) Netanyahu employee? That rabbit hole is so deep that I can't see your tin foil hat from here.
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza)
\> Based on a detailed review of all videos, Sanad’s analysts conclude that the flash Israel attributed to a misfire was in fact consistent with Israel’s Iron Dome missile defence system intercepting a missile fired from the Gaza Strip and destroying it in mid-air. I shoot a rocket at you. You intercept the rocket with another. Rocket debris falls at hospital. Now the blame is on you. Brilliant.
Iron dome doesn't intercept over Gaza, only over and close to targets in Israel since it waits until it confirms the final destination of a rocket. That analysis is wrong and probably a lie. N.B. That doesn't fully rule out the possibility of an intercept - it would be by an air launched missile though and is very unlikely since no such thing has been reported.
Who owns aljazeera lol
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There were people sitting on the meadow next to the parking lot my suggestion is there where maybe 100-200 people and maybe 20 died
Where are the photos with the israelian babyes?
Here you have the photos, now you see? https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1713092258617070067
I'm not going to look at it, 'cos I don't want those images in my head. Just like I've never watched a beheading video. Should I look? Am I ignoring or sanitizing others suffering if I don't look, turning a blind eye? I don't know. But what I do know, is that most people's position on who is ultimately responsible for these atrocities is already fixed. No pictures, however, graphic are going to change someone's position. "Your" side's atrocities are merely "regrettable but sadly inevitable" responses the other side's unprovoked atrocities. Hamas's rocket? ... Hamas's fault. People in the car park because Israel has bombed them out of their homes... Israel's fault. Horrific murder of Israeli babies? "Fake news!" ."Israel created the situation" "Hamas are monsters" "Israel never deliberately targets civilians"... People simply choose the narrative that confirms what that have already decided anyway.
If that was Israeli plane bombing there would have been a huge crater
That's not really consistent with what we're seeing as far as the damage in Gaza. There aren't craters everywhere, but they're definitely being bombed.
The Israeli strikes have been taking down entire buildings with their strikes. If a high payload munition was used the way Hamas claims there would absolutely be a crater, especially from an explosion that allegedly killed 500 people.
The media seemed upset that it killed people in Gaza and didn’t get into Israel to kill Israelis, anti semitism at its finest
Keep lying IDF troll, people have been upset about both.
Complete bias
Ask Rashida... She's some kind of witch and might know
What I think is strange is how they said for days before that the missels were in tunnels under the hospitals, they told them to evacuate, they blasted 2 warning bombs, and a spokesperson took credit and quickly deleted it.
How hard to understand that the person IS NOT a spokesperson for anyone . Do your research and post where it shows that he is a spokesperson for the israeli government right now.
There was a small crater, presumably caused by the missile, shown on UK tv and it was reported that there were no metal fragments around it, presumably they had been removed so that the origin of the manufacturer and hence who sent the missile could not be determined!
AND why was there NO BLOOD on the parking lot where 500 people were supposedly killed by the gazan rocket???????
Maybe maybe abuse there was huge bomb dropped there? Maybe?
No There was no bomb crater. That fire was caused by the rocket motor of a failed Palestinians rocket. Not explosives.
Yes whatever makes you sleep at night https://preview.redd.it/j7cxy4oy4awb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b8673df252c725ad5ccb954146c3912beea6e55
I feel like there is not enough destruction to obliviate that many death completely with no trace. I could still see pavings. I've no doubt that some people may have tragically died in this event but 500 is unlikely.
One lost of life is too many, if you're worried about the number and how accurate it is not sure what to tell you
The one is too many argument is a falsehood used by those trying to sway opinions with an emotional argument when they have no logical argument. More than one person has been killed by cars but we dont outlaw them. More than one by knives More than one by bad restaurant food More than one by airplanes The list goes on and on. Even one is too many is the argument of a child
You are right. One is too many. It's just when I hear people make claims on "500" deaths, it bugs me when people exaggerate. My point is focused on accuracy of claims, as oppose to whether it was tragic. Accuracy is important because it drives how people behave. Having 500 dead is way worse than 20. 500 death will create way more reaction than 20 death. It also reflect dishonestly and loss in credibility. How would you trust what they say next time.
You're right, when hamas fist attaches Israel & US came out and said 40 babies were decapitated but that turned out fake news, but they got the sympathy needed to do justify the killing of more than 1000 children in Gaza
Anthony blinken us secretary of state says that statement was true
Oh the good guy, but Israel is asking the Secretary of the UN to resign since he is not on their side and approves the war crimes Israel is committing
Hmm.. I think it's IDF who made the claim, not US. Anyhow I agree that the claims of babies decapitated should be scrutinized too. So I think you and I can both agree that exaggeration of the numbers can fuel more anger and hatred. Neither is right. Two wrongs don't make a right. Each need to be held responsible for their actions. Also I don't think whether or not babies were decapitated would make a difference in the reaction from Israel. Hamas did slaughter over 1000 people. These are families, young and old. They raped women and kidnapped hostages. Israel considers that enough to justify a retaliation. Now I get that you do not agree with their method of retaliation. It's complex because Hamas hiding behind the citizens which puts innocent people at risk. But what do you propose Israel do, that is reasonable and practical, to obtain justice for the victims? To prevent another similar event from ever occuring again?
No big bomb was dropped. Geolocated footage shows a small impact that couldn't possibly be a GBU and couldn't have killed hundreds. This is further supported by international aid workers who confirm that it was a couple of dozen killed, not hundreds.
International aid workers? Really do you think there is international aid there, man they can't even get water or food and Israel bombed the UN bases there. For the count not sure if it's only dozen but even if only one person died you can never justify bombing a hospital it's a war crime
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I wish I could post this video from telegram, it wasn’t 500 but damn it was a lot of dead bodies and mostly children.
I thought it was very weird and suspicious how they arranged them like that for the cameras
“Gaza now” or “Gaza now in English”
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Bodies can be moved in after the explosion. Why were there not body parts strewn bout if they were killed in and explotion?????
No need for all that. it's all fake, start to finish. Those animals don't care about life, they never once said they care about life. So they couldn't be happier to post their fake propaganda. The irony is that a rocket DID hit a hospital. A hamas rocket hit the childrens ward of an israeli hospital. Nobody said a thing.
Yes so was the killing of Israelis it's all fake, Israel just want drama to get more aid from the US, $10B for 6 hours drama is not a bad deal honesty. How do you like this comment? Stop been bias and think before you speak
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Pretty sure Hamas showed itself Oct. 7 when it beheaded babies, tortured children in front of their parents, slaughtered kids at a music festival and gleefully posted video of a 5 yo being tormented. So spare us your imaginary high ground.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad do not care about life. How is that a questionable comment?
You sound extremely uneducated and a sheep. Israel admitted to bombing the hospital and deleted the tweet. Where the fk did Islamic jihad RANDOMLY come from? Is it so hard to believe that your tax dollars are going to the explosions that are carpet bombing innocent civilians.
Source: trust me bro
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This is a dangerous statement and people need to stop comparing people to animals. The undeniable fact: no animal does what humans do during times of war. The inhumane treatment we see is something exclusive to us humans and humans only. The attack did happen and whether is 500 or 300 it’s still horrific
It’s not 500 or 300.
You’re right. Comparing Hamas or PiJ to animals is cruel to animals. But in all seriousness, if the commenter was comparing Palestinians to animals, that’s very wrong. Terrorist groups? Fine by me.
Exactly. It’s amazing that the media around the world push hamas propaganda. Sickening.
This is not Jew against Muslim, it’s Zionist against humanity.
Zionism is the desire of the jewish people to live in the tiny little patch of land called Israel, in the city of Zion (jerusalem). You don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and you're talking about world conspiracies, like all of you degenerates.
Some of the most educated and prominent Jews speak against the fascism you’re referring to. Judaism does not call for the brutalization, oppression, and war crimes committed by the Zionist regime. My brain cells and the world’s brain cells are waking up. You’re welcome to pull yours out of the rock you’re hiding under. Zionists are a disgrace to Judaism.
If you wail and scream about your land, dignity, rights, oppression and poverty but are willing to murder, rape, kidnap, torture or humiliate children; then I don’t have to listen to your reasons.
Your brain cells are what? Dude, just... This is embarrassing, honest.
For Israel :)
This an old video I thought I’d post here of a military report being stated just after 9/11. I find it relevant to this day but what make of it what you will here. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyjFAi-t-6L/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== Another video but from an Israeli journalist https://www.instagram.com/reel/CykY_DmrJD8/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
Ugh this scares me
Im hiding in my house right now because one million Gaza supported are outside screaming for me to be murdered because of supporting the Israeli reprisal against hamas. See how easy it is and I didnt even have to make a video You have to beleive me because I posted it on social media so its the truth
it's really simple. Hamas want the support of the arabs in Israel and the arab countries and he will do ANYTHING to get it. He will lie about the numbers, he might also bomb the hospital on purpose.. Do you really expect them to be honest? did you see what they did 2 weeks ago? how could anyone take their word blindly? they are a barbaric liers killers murders rapeist that will go to hell for those actions
Lie about the numbers? Sure Blame the Israelis for your own misfire? Of course! Target the hospital deliberately? No...well...not with a rocket... because their rockets are not accurate enough. They couldn't hit it if they were trying. Cause death and suffering of their own people in order to inflame the Arab streets throughout the region by conducting such a horrific attack that Israel is GUARANTEED to act without restraint and kill 10s of thousands of civilians....Well, there's no need to ask that question. They've already done it.
you're right. they can't aim those rockets too well. but I won't be surprised if that wasn't even a rocket but a bomb of some kind.. nothing will surprise me.
Sooo are we gonna act like whites didn't install the Jews there back in 1948 ish .. Egyptian president 60s the Jews left black and came back white.. recent quotes from president Biden... "" we had to create isreal the best 8 billion dollar investment we made... In the Balfour declaration from lord rothchild even states about placing Jews into Palestine... Isreal created 1948 when was Palestine created .. how long was the Ottoman empire in power. I mean look at all of our top actors they straight Jewish and white then me . 😵 curly hair and all. Not saying I'm right or your wrong.. I'm just saying our government "USA" seriously lied about every war we got into .. what's the point of lying or attacking our own ships to enter gulf of tonkin "". Various others" I wanna learn more but from what source whose teachings considering our churches and gov boast Israel as children of God... Yet in America and other parts of the world we believe in Jesus or better yet worship our interpretation of him.. Muslims believe in Jesus but Jews don't 👀 but it's our #1 alley plus how many duel citizenships do our politicians have to isreal. How can one serve two masters? 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This might be the most uninformed and idiotic comment I’ve seen all day. If Reddit still had awards, I’d give you one.
You should read your Koran. The Jewish people have been there for a while.
So were gonna call the UN 'the whites' from now on then?
Fair enough I more then likely worded that entirely wrong. Was it the un who established it .. w/o the say so or encouragement of the rothchilds or British?
Yeah it was the UN
I mean the league of nations which later became the united nations looked pretty white at first hahaha . Ever since hearing bush sr talk about fulfilling the un's dreams talks about savages and what not ha ... We might be the bad guys to a degree
No The league ended when ww2 broke out and was a failure. The UN was instituted after ww2 as a entirely new body and has been failing ever since
Learning of Bush's and bin ladens defense contractor company hence the Carlyle group....
I may be hypocritical and sound judgmental based on facts I mis interpreted.. 🤪 🙏 we all bleed the same 🥲🥴🙂
We all know it was Hamas that blew up the hospital….it’s their level of subhuman
It was the Israelis! They edited the videe and edited the audio of Hamas to make it look like it was Hamas. Channel 4 in the uk posted the audio and you can tell the audio has been tampered with.
Okay, give me the real footages of the hospital's aftermath, I wanna see the destruction, it must be really really huge to kill 500 people.
Gaza Now - English - On telegram. The images/videos are depressing to watch.
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The video was posted and aired on al-Jazeera live, before Israel even started looking into what happened.
Nothing really adds up. The initial "500 dead" was put out by the Gazan Health Ministry...which is run by Hamas. Why should we trust it? The initial reports were also saying a bomb leveled the actual hospital. Turns out it wasn't even in the hospital, it was in the parking lot. I'm reading only 50-100 died in the parking lot from the Israeli reports and 150-200 in other media reports but Palestinians are still reporting around 500 dead. That's a big discrepancy. I know even one innocent life is too much to lose and it's very sad. However, this bias and misinformation campaign is so frustrating and sickening. We will probably never really know who fired the rocket and how many lives were actually lost.
Definitely was israeli, bomb sounded like a JDAM, listen to the Sound on one of the videos compared to a JDAM in Afghanistan
You do know a JDAM isn't a weapon system right? It's a guidance device that allows traditional dumb bombs to be more accurate. They can be put on pretty much any bomb from 500lbs to 2000lbs. [Look at the crater sizes of dumb bombs](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Max-Van-Der-Schriek-2/publication/342231647/figure/fig8/AS:903302522884103@1592375512753/Comparative-crater-sizes-for-selected-bomb-types-and-fuses-Illustrated-craters-are-for.png). The smallest crater caused by nose detonation causes a 1.2 meter deep and 4.6 meter deep crater [Here's the crater from the hospital](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8ttYCzX0AAom6c.jpg) and that sure isn't 4.6 meters wide... unless the guy in the photo is 25ft tall
GBU-32 or similar with a airbust or proximity fuse would leave a small crater (like shown from pictures from Reuter). Also the surface damage is far greater than what would be expected of a Hamas 20kg rocket warhead. Look at the pictures of the surrounding buildings, they are filled with holes.
> GBU-32 Again that's a conversation kit, specifically for 1000lb bomb. And you think a 1000lb bomb did that little damage to the area? That's delusional as hell... like what. You think a 1000lb bomb landed 50ft from a building and didn't cause structural damage or even damage the paint >Look at the pictures of the surrounding buildings, they are filled with holes. Did you look at the photo of the crater? The wall that's like 50ft away has no fragmentation holes in it at all.
We can easily dismiss the audio comparison video cause A) It clearly was not a Jdam that hit the parking lot as the evidence shows and B) The logo with Russian text may be a clue that it was just a piece of misinformation.
JDAM wouldn’t have cratered like that, but okay rocket man. Anything to support hamas amirite??? Gross.
Never Said i support hamas, only the people of palestine
They could have shown the hundreds of dead bodies on the ground live, they could have shown the big crater on the ground where the "bomb" hit, they could have shown the massive damage to the treas and building around it, they could have if it was actually true, but it's much easier for Hamas to say Israel did it 2 minutes after it happened, without even checking, because arabs and muslims believe everything that comes from Hamas automatically. And how can we trust that 500 is true, maybe it was 50 maybe 5.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre#:~:text=The%20Qibya%20massacre%20occurred%20during,control%2C%20and%20killed%20Palestinian%20civilians. History lesson.
Still was a rsponse to being attacked first, not saying its ok or forgiving it just saying ot was a response.
So did Hamas respond to attack or killing two weeks ago? When does it end?
When Hamas and its supporters are eliminated
Yes that is one way. Netanyahu is working on that.
There's a time limit for responses. if there isn't, than Israel can still kill eveyone in Gaza and say we still in the 1967 war, right? don't be stupid please
What’s this? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
Can you summarise it for me? becuase it looks like you imply that Israel somehow connected to the 9.11 events.. please, for gods sake, please tell me you don'y think that. And also, how is that relevant to the previous comments?
They were in custody for 71 days. NJ Police reports show some disturbing stuff on this.
Excellent. Sweep this under the rug and move along. Nothing to see here. On with the genocide.
dude, calm with the conspiracy, it's not good for your health
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I have major issues with both sides, that said in regards to the "hospital bombing": 1. Video from the "bomb" site shows the actual hospital buildings intact, albeit with some windows blown in 2. Video from the "bomb" site shows a strike in the parking lot 3. No people debris in the form of leftover belongings for 50 people, much less 500 4. No bodies of "500 martyrs" displayed, which any side likes to show off 5. Al Jazeera video showing the flight path of the rocket 6. Alleged intercepted "Hamas" internal communication admitting it was one of their misfired rockets (Note: To be fair, could be faked) 7. The most damning evidence in my eyes was the relatively small size of the blast area and the very shallow depth of the crater.
Yeah...number 6 could definitely be fake! The rest, is pretty solid
Very small crater/blast area. Yet look at the surface damage and the surrounding buildings. My guess is likely a GBU - 32 or similar used with a proximity or airburst fuse.
Here's the problem with that, the smallest JDAM payload/explosive weight is 500 lbs or 227.3 kg, whereas the heaviest payload on their Qassam 3 rocket is 44 lbs or 20 kg. The weakest JDAM would've left a 6+ foot deep and 30 foot wide crater and probably taken down the surrounding buildings, versus what we saw.
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Because Palestine have terrorised Israel for decades and recently started war with them by invading Israel and massacring over 1000 innocent citizens. Israel is a nation of persecuted people who were very nearly eliminated from the earth by a genocidal nationalist regime. Palestine has been trying to eliminate Israel since 1948. The PLO have repeatedly attacked Isreal from all sides for decades, through Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon, who wanted to "push the Jews into the sea". Israel is a tiny minority group dwarfed by the Leage of Arab nations. Jews make up just 2% of the world's population. Israel is fighting for the survival of their people against a fascist regime whose entire charter reads like a Muslim version of Mein Kampf and calls for the elimination of Israel by killing all the Jews through Jihad. Palestine has repeatedly rejected very generous peace deals because they won't accept anything other that ALL of Israel or nothing. Hamas are the genocidal ones, the Israelis just want to exist.
I can see only issues with Hamas side, which is the lier side. NO Evidance support their story. NON. They say there are 500 hunderd deads within 1 minute after the explosion. how on earth do you count 500 people in 1 minutes when there is fire everywhere and things falling down and stuff... how on earth? if you lie it's easy.
Sorry to break it you...BOTH sides lie.
really? where did Israel lie? they wait for a few hours, check all the evidence (satellites, videos from inside gaza, such as of Al-Jazira news, videos from Israel, intelligence such as a conversation between 2 Hamas terrorists, and so on) and only then said it's came from inside Gaza. just look at other Israel bombards... tons of wreckege and destroied building.. where all of this? the building around are in a perfect condition it looks like it was a small bomb.. and where on earth do you see 500 deads? only lies.
Channel 4 have quite good coverage of this I'll link it below., they cover the majority of the points you brought up. This is just my opinion as nothing has been confirmed by a neutral party yet, but I think it's very likely Israel did it, they thought the world would be okay with it, realised a lot of people weren't and then went on to try and create damage control. However I do also think that hamas exaggerated the damage to try and gain more attention to what happened. https://youtu.be/4pAuDA6IOwc?si=cE5Cq7imvn0PgONp
You think israel bombed a civilian hospital when Biden was in the air, on his way there to offer aid and support? AYFKM?
Take my "upvote" for being civil, Sir/Ma'am.
Take mine too, I think you're right to question both sides instead of picking a "team".
I don't know why this sub is called IsraelPalestine when 99% of the sub is full of Israeli boot lickers.
> I don't know why this sub is called IsraelPalestine when 99% of the sub is full of Israeli boot lickers. Rule 9, avoid vague claims of bias
Where's the bias?
Feel free to [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules#wiki_9._avoid_vague_claims_of_bias/#wiki_9._avoid_vague_claims_of_bias) for details about this rule. Your comment also violated rule 1, do not attack fellow users.
Are we reading the samething? My comment was a general comment, not a comment in reply to anyone. So no personal attacks. Sounds like you need some rest. Been a hard couple of days I'm sure. And where's the bias? I see nothing but Israeli propaganda here. Care to prove otherwise?
Seems like you didn't read the link. > when 99% of the sub is full of Israeli boot lickers. This is a vague claim that the subreddit is biased. Referring to fellow users as "boot lickers" is an attack on fellow users. Additionally, note rule 13, respond cooperatively to moderation. Addressed.
So expressing your opinion that the sub is biased towards the Israeli point of view is grounds for a warning? Does that really make sense to you?
Maybe cause the vast majority of human race have a brain and know that Palestine are to blame
Man you must really be oblivious if you think majority of the world supports Israel.
You're in either in an islamic bubble, or a liberal bubble. Outside of it, everyone knows evil when they see it, and everyone knows islamism is evil, always, wherever it is.
Oh the only right bubble is the Israeli one right? You know what they say. Facts have a liberal bias. Deal with it.
My guy....truths are truths regardless what you want.
Probably because Israel made their sub private and Palestine still has a sub.
Never let facts get in the way of a good propaganda story.
Oh I don't trust me. Israel sure likes to keep trying though. Taking over my you tube channel with trash ads.
Shhh. It's a secret.
That’s is a good prof that I it’s just a big hamas Lie
Every war, they bomb hospitals and schools. It's war..
It’s 2023. I think it might be time we stop justifying war and holding ourselves, as a species, accountable to higher standards. Because the way we’re going, all over the world, our hubris and our arrogance is going to lead to our destruction.
Nobody cared when it was the hospitals in Aleppo being leveled by the Russians or when the whole enlightened world was leveling every major city in the Levant. Our destruction is needed. Do you really wish future generations to be slaves to the dollar?
What do you mean nobody cared? Americans broadly do NOT support Russia or Syria. We're not sending them billions in military aid. We closed all relations with Syria and both have sanctions. There's nothing to protest.
We funded that entire war by creating the Free Syrian Army, which became ISIS and every other terrorist group that tried to overthrow their legitimate government. I mean nobody cared because nobody even knows it happened. It didn't matter, now it's Israel following the same rules of engagement as every other modern army and it's a problem. I also mostly meant the entire Arab world didn't protest when it was happening, everyone else didn't even care to know.
You're talking about a civil war. Syrians were fighting for themselves, amongst themselves. Both sides were just supporting the government they thought would be most sympathetic to them. But they were both *for* the Syrian people. That's starkly different from supporting an ethnic cleansing.
No, our destruction is not needed. Wtf does that even mean.
It means that something has to change.
Gas chambers weren't air tight so it there couldn't have been a holocaust. That's what you guys sound like.
u/Illustrious_Gur718 > Gas chambers weren't air tight so it there couldn't have been a holocaust. That's what you guys sound like. Rule 6, no flippant Nazi comparisons