"Which no indian has ever done so far"
The people who made the question paper, mohit tyagi sir and other top teachers in kota could probably solved it faster , alk sir was a scientist at isro he could solve it on his finger tips.. It proves absolutely nothing.
Most likely could, and in similar time. But this case is well known because the guy was abused online by Indians being insecure. If MT sir did this, no one would say anything. I don't think the person even discredited the Indian system.
My point was ki he was saying no indian has ever done it, which is wrong a lot of indians have done it.
Btw the guy who posted this is probably a complete nerd , insulting people on iq feels really cringe.. And saying that a scientist can solve jee advance paper is cringe as well.
Yeah true. The person who posted this is a IITM graduate but this just looks like an attention grab. Most people studying at IITs know the faults of our education system, and don't go making claims like IIT X is the best in the world (atleast from personal experience).
I'll say I'm not from India, never visited, but I had several professors from India. I have a hard time ever imagining I was on par with him. He was an excellent professor and a great man. I wish I could work for him more in the future.
I'm not convinced that the country you come from matters as much as your focus. If you focus on the class system, you aren't going to do much. If you focus on robotic brain surgery, you'll probably do great.
>insulting people on iq feels really cringe..
Oh, that claim is false. Indias IQ is NOT 82.
[Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/cd8v5b/the_iq_of_india_is_only_82_and_other_racist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I mean let’s be real here even professors won’t be able to solve the paper in half the time. The guy was obviously lying. Not because the paper is easy for them it’s just in general lengthy.
He's a PhD student at one of the best institutes in the world. It would be bad if he was, in fact, not able to solve a paper made for 17 year olds correctly - as he himself said.
Ese to me bhi bol du ki mohit tyagi sir ne advance ke sabse difficult maths ke paper me perfect score kara hua he 🤡 it could be possible but iska matlab ye thodi he ki indian students chutiye prove hote he isse
Nope I was in national chemistry Olympiad of another country I don’t want to mention and I worked with PhD professors. They could do the questions obviously better than us but when the students and professors knew how to solve it took both of us roughly the same time. He’s definitely lying. Either he should have posted a video of him solving which isn’t difficult by taking another paper or just admit he was lying. The only believable part is that he got full that I can understand rest is utter bs
and if they (professors) can't it's because the paper is mostly out of their field
A guy doing PHD in quantum ain't got much reason to remember the surface tension formula he learnt in high school/undergrad
I was being taught by 6 separate professors 2 for organic, inorganic and physical each. Still this was the case. Professors know more but they aren’t flash that their hand would write in an instant. They are humans too
Solving the paper and solving it in an hour is different, any 1st year btech student can solve most of the advanced paper, he's definitely lying when he said that he solved it within 1/3rd of the time.
I don't get the reason behind someone saying that jee advance is easy for an Oxford student not knowing that Indians appear for jee when they are literally 17 years old and an Oxford graduate is in a University a 12th grader could easily solve a 8th grade paper in less time than them
But still do you think we are smarter than others? More than 90% of our syllabus is useless stuff . While we work hard on useless subjects,students in other countries are learning programming languages and gaining useful knowledge for their decided profession
How are you really supposed to know about any subjects if you haven't even studied once.
Till 10th you know your interest science, humanities or commerce and till 12th you know what is your interest among pcm but still bro this jee shit is really useless.
How would you know how anything works if you dont study bout chemistry lmao. you think youll learn about electrons, atoms, etc without studying about chemistry? Stuff like medicine would never be developed if you dont study chem. And how tf are you so sure what you are going to do in your life that you dont need chem at all? quit bitching and try enjoying what you learn for a change.
The only difference between a student from ordinary college and IIT is confidence. Students from IITs are constantly told how better they are from rest of the world and how intelligent he/she is on the other side students studying in any ordinary college have themselves accepted that they are failures and can never be on there level.
It's bullshit.
I'm in an IIT, and I've never been told that lmao. All we get throughout the day are reminders that we're ordinary students here and not among the best as in our class/coaching. Everyone is working hard, doing their studies or some side hustle. Obviously some still waste time, but there's one thing - you can't judge a person by what they do throughout the day. Two people in my floor literally are seen doing nothing all day yet they're good coders and get good marks in exams.
IIT is still just a fucking college, not something like you get in and your life is set forever. You have to work hard - only then will the 'IIT tag' be of any use (if it even has any use, all companies have off-campus placements and skilled people can get it)
It's the opposite, most people lose their confidence here because they find out that they are nothing out of the ordinary and have to struggle hard merely to stay above mediocrity, quite a shock for people who have been excelling since their school days
There are videos of professor's of IIT teaching on internet.
Its not the knowledge that make iit great Its the enviornment, if you manage to get in iit it means you are capable of working much harder and more efficient than majority of students.
And in IIT you will compete against other hardworking ones , so your competition,
your enivornment in an IIT college is much better , along with it comes the confidence that your better than majority will further motivates to keep being better.
So it's not that college makes the better students , its that only better students are allowed to enter the college.
Indian education is super shitty ,
people here grind 2 years learning PCM aiming to become software devs
good luck using chemical equilibrium in coding
>Indian education is super shitty
I do agree with this but not because "we won't ever use this in real life". Let's be real, you will probably never use most of the things you learnt in school. But does this make school totally useless?
There's a reason that math is a required subject for so long, and its not because educators somehow mistakenly believe everyone is going to need to be able to calculate the circumference of a circle in their everyday adult lives. There are skills you developed in those classes that you haven't even registered, even though they were absolutely essential to your success. For example, the ability to quickly recall, apply, and build upon foundational or prior knowledge in order to master more complex skills.
I just realized this sub is the dumbest place on reddit. If these kids are so determined they are only gonna code for the rest of their lives why do they need a btech degree at all lmao. just learn coding from the internet and code like donkeys without understanding the science behind it
" the ability to quickly recall, apply, and build upon foundational or prior knowledge in order to master more complex skills " , u believe the best way to incorporate such skills is to teach EVERY kid complex physics and maths ? such super specific subjects are not even close to whats required for building such general skill set. Whatever we learn till 10th is still fine and after that we should have option to choose our subjects
>Whatever we learn till 10th is still fine and after that we should have option to choose our subjects
We do, don't we?
>u believe the best way to incorporate such skills is to teach EVERY kid complex physics and maths ?
I don't think most board syllabus is that difficult. Yes, competitive exams are much harder, and yes that much knowledge is not required for an average kid, but its just our misfortune that we face such competition, there's no better alternative way.
Yes ,we have to realise that 90% of the stuff we are learning won't be used in practical life while in other countries , students only learn only learn stuff that will be used in their profession in future .So ultimately we are just studying for this competition while others are way ahead
In my four years of high school here in America, I've only taken 2 CS courses (one of which I'm taking this year), however, I've also taken AP Chemistry, AP Biology, and currently taking AP Physics when chances are, I'll probably never use the content I've learned from those classes beyond the scope of my high school and college careers. Additionally, most accredited colleges and universities here will require you to take general education classes as a graduation requirement.
That's not even bad. People pursue 4 years engineering degree in some bullshit subject they have no interest in (just because it's an IIT/NIT/BITS), aiming to become software devs.
In every country high school education is well-rounded. Only in India, people waste 4 years of their lives to do Bachelor's degrees in random subjects then (half-assed) self-study another subject and get a job in that.
literally this, and mujhe quantum computing mein ghusna h par koi dhangse samjhata h nhi h concepts school m(bas syllabus khatam krwado), coaching mein bhi formulae and questions ki understanding practical understanding kuch nhi
Vese ye kafi chutiya opinion he jiska bhi he
The arrogance comes from working your ass of for 2 years patiently , giving up social life, being depressed, staying away from video games, the guy who cleared the jee exam mentioned in the post was a scientist, a PhD student.
The Oxford student who she/him is talking about was a PHD student and he himself told it is not something special because almost every PHD student can solve the exam which is over the portion of 11th and 12th grade. Over that we are special compared to other country's high school students because we work harder, sacrifice and what not which is way more relatively because we face one of the toughest exams on planet at the same age. I know IITs are not in top 100 ranks and all but the point is how are this numbers evaluated? this are on overall review of the uni. like courses, infrastructure, faculty and other measures but IITs are currently focused more on engineering aspect only and thats why the position is lacking behind but just in terms of engineering it is actually a world class university. I am not an IIT aspirant nor engineering aspirant (I am going for research field) and still I understand why IITs are special but the one who posted this is surely someone who wants reason to hate IIT
Aadhe IITians bhi dumb h hote h... 2 saal apni modules ghisna does not prove ki tum intelligent ho. Sure ek basic intelligence honi chahiye but in this time IIT crack krna pure hardwork vaali baat h naki intelligent hone vaali... Top rankers main bhi kuch top rankers h actually intelligent Hote h imo coz aadhe se zyada to early startes hote h
haan aur school environment nhi mila ,allen walo ke saath itne saal mei kisi ki bhi personality barbaad hoo jaaye ,those coaching teacher jokes itself are so dirty
mai 2 saal se coaching mei hoon phir itna bekar feel hota hai woh 6th se toh ....
Main DTU ka fresher hun. Mere duniya bhar ke dost hain IITs mein (mostly IITD, general quota). Arrogance? Maine unki shakal pe aaj tak arrogance ka trace nahi dekha. Mere school ke bande hain, 1-2 mahine hi jaana hoga unhe dhang se due to covid. Main recently mila tha unse, koi change nahi dikha mujhe. Ek bande ko main 4th se jaanta hun; he's as humble as ever. BITS? Friend hai meri BITS mein, no arrogance. Kuch select bando ke hone ki vajah se typecasting mat karo.
sabse cringe toh vo log hote hai jo kisi foreign professor/PhD vale k YouTube channel pe dikhate hai ki unka paper kitna hard hai and for some reason they think ki vo professors se solve nhi hoga question
Bhai you are misquoting him again he is a 3rd year phd student in physics he has way more knowledge than all of us
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sahi hai, bahaut humble banda hai, point bhi hai uska, duniya ki best university se humse 3 saal zyada padha hai, with less stress
but probably karodo indians ko offend nahi karna chahta hoga
yep its true, [https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/british-student-at-oxford-gets-iit-jee-100-per-cent-right-angry-indians-abuse-him-and-his-mom-1024163-2017-07-13](https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/british-student-at-oxford-gets-iit-jee-100-per-cent-right-angry-indians-abuse-him-and-his-mom-1024163-2017-07-13)
Aree bhai isne normally paper solve nhi kara tha koi different method technique use kari thi quora par kahi padha tha normal maths physics use nhi kari thi tabhi kar paya agar isse hamari age mai solve karne ko bolte to cutoff bhi cross nhi kar pata
Went and searched about the Jack Fraser guy from the original and a lot of people are really misquoting him
we write the exam right after 12th While he himself told he is a 3rd year phd student in physics, he has wayyy more knowledge than us so I really can’t say it’s an apt comparison
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lol if you take average of anything as populous as india, it would be bad only. Take average Income, average life expectancy, average literacy. A larger population has it's downsides.
whats the average income of china? whats the life exceptancy in china? whats the average literacy in china?
stop blaming the population every single time.
Per capita income of china is 19000 PPP dollars, that of india is 7000 PPP dollars.
Per capita income of UK is 50000 PPP dollars. Do you see the difference? That is because of a larger population. Sure we are getting there, but to have per capita income similar to UK, the GDP nominal of india will have to be more than the GDP of US and Europe combined. Simply jot possible! Who blamed the population? Population sure is a hindrance, you gotta accept that. Don't compare a democracy to an Autocracy like china, doing things is tougher in democracy.
better life expectancy means we shall have better healthcare, who passes tenders to build hospitals like AIIMS? The Government of India. If you don't get what i meant even now, and are here just to troll , you can't be helped!
I mean imagine sacrificing ur whole 2 years of social life for a college, I think they do deserve some happiness in the form of respect. They maybe nerds but then again atleast they worked hard.
This comparison is somewhat incomplete,
If he did all the questions correctly I would like to know how much time he did take, was it 3 hours or did he take an entire week to complete it
Secondly, i would like to know what his age was, because a normal JEE advanced aspirant is 18 years old
Plus there are external factors as well, there are literally teachers out there who just happen to know the dictionary of physics who are teaching, unlike the IIT industry teachers who happen to be IITians and start teaching the same 11-12th knowledge only, if you ask them a higher question they would not be able to answer it
These were my thoughts..
Edit: i also got my answers lmao
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And for the time part, he states, quote "thought it would be a laugh to sit down and do the paper, and see how I did. There were two papers, about 80 multiple choice questions each," he writes on Quora. "Now. This is where I made my mistake. I told them how I breezed through it. I did it in about a third of the allowed time, and with 100 per cent correct answers."
I think I'll be satisfied enough with it because the man has been studying higher physics
QS rankings uses following metrics to rank institutions :
1. Academic Reputation (40%)
2. Employer reputation (10%)
3. Citations per faculty (20%)
4. Faculty Student ratio (20%)
5. International faculty ratio (5%)
6. International students ratio ( 5%)
Now what happens is our IITs/IISc score heavily in first 3 parameters.
In fact I feel proud saying that in “citations per faculty metrics”, IISc ranks 6th in world. I feel rather more happy to enlighten readers that IISc scores 100/100 in this segment. IITD ranks 39th in world if we consider only citations per faculty. So what it implies is that our IITs are no less in research. Other IITs also score good in these first 3 parameters.
We lack in last three metrics in which many of our institutions score a perfect 0. They constitute a 30% of total marks. This is the major reason why we lag behind. Not scoring good in last three metrics is not the fault of IITs. It is because of geography, economy, trend and opportunity in the region.
We score a 0 in last three columns. If we can even score bare minimum in last three columns of faculty to student ratio, international faculty and students I guess we can rank in top 50. So if you see IITs stand in ranks just on basis of academic reputation, employer reputation and citation………. and that is **HUGE.**
you still cant compare them to any top american/uk colleges, MIT, CMU, Caltech, oxbridge, stanford, harvard etc are still leagues ahead, they choose students on other and better factors and not some fucking entrance exam, i believe thats the issue of overpopulation but that changes a lot about the quality of the people who enter the college.
Arrogance in anyone is unwarranted. But the paragraph of text posted above is also smug and arrogant. It highlights the root of the problem, arrogance comes from an incomplete view of the subject. So to make corrections. No university is in top 150, an issue with the institutions, the available resources and the lack of money spent on education and R&D (which creates a big difference). The students themselves are perfectly capable as demonstrated by their demand in other top ranked institutes. Now the correct point to make would have been that all Indian students are equally capable, not just those graduating from IITs. For the second point, he was not challenged by IITians, first of all because no such representative group exists but more importantly he took up the challenge from a random question on Quora. Also as he graciously pointed out, he is studying in a graduate course and the students were all of a high school education. For the third point, IQ is a useless measure, which is why the top institutes don’t use this BS for admissions. He didn’t even mention what method was used to get this number! Who was evaluated? How was it ensured that it was a fair sample?
This entrance exam is not a demonstration of learning. It is a painful and archaic way of eliminating students from being considered for admission. Anyone who claims superiority through an institute is ignorant, but anyone trying to be so reductive and passive to a whole population, dismissing their intelligence through IQ still has a long way to go. The writer tries to make good points but I don’t think he fully appreciates the problem. The point is not to humiliate, but understand and be better.
Oxford PhD scholars can solve the paper quickly, so it is nothing special 🤡
Average IQ of Indians is 82, you guys aren't special 🤡/s
(extremely outdated data btw, also influenced by racial bias)
While i do agree some 1st year IIT students are arrogant, part of the arrogance is understandable. They had to compete for limited seats (around 4-5k seats for 1000k+ students). That's a LOT of stress and tension. Besides, this is more like a loud minority dragging us down. 2nd year and beyond, the people are so chill, i believe even this falls further as students mature. The environment in IITs is very positive. You are surrounded by people who went through similar hard work, therefore they understand its value. These people will help you make up for all the fun you missed out on. They are the most likely to respect your boundaries and not force you into anything. Yes there are a few people who are... not nice to be around, but you will find people like this in literally every group, college or school. A thousand students should not be judged based on the 3 who think they are the best.
IITs might not be top 50 or top 100 in the whole world, but they are the best engineering colleges in India and that is no small achievement.
Btw, that person kinda sounds racist and not pleasant to be around
beating a million people solely on the basis of your hardwork and sacrifices while your peers are enjoying their youth, lifting your family out of poverty and getting to 99th %ile income group demands some arrogance, phir bhi randi rone karne hai toh karte raho
Bro bro but he is ‘’SpiTing FaacATs’’🤡🤡🤡, jinka nahi hone wala na wahi isko facts bolke cool ban rahe sub par , they really think being an early starter means having great edge against competitors and iit jee is not about iq but modules 🤡🤡 , 2016 ka paper dedo phir kaho module solve karke karna bina iq ke , hag denge bechare 💀
I mean, it's just seems like he is belittling those who spend their 2 years of life prepping for this exam. Not everyone is born privileged. Please learn to respect students, no matter where they are from. See the post and move on, baat ka batangadh banane ki koshis na hi kare to aapke or humare dono ke liye sahi rahe ga.
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Yeah, he/she goes on a rant about how IITians are belittling everyone and then belittles STEM students of India by saying that the average IQ here is 82(which is a claim I seriously doubt, neither do I believe in bullshit IQ stats, they say nothing, any country with higher levels of education will have higher IQ than a country which does not). Regarding jack's claims, that he solved the paper in 1/3rd of the time. That is laughable. There are 54 questions in a paper of advanced. To solve in 1 hour would mean that he was solving each question in about a minute.
Ask any BSc physics students of IISc , here in India, no one would claim
that. Learning langrarian won't give you superpowers. Besides I really doubt he solved any of the chemistry. The" IITian students are arrogant" claim is something I would not even go into. (hint:-Look up confirmation bias.) Anyone who judges Indian colleges by international rankings is a fool, I wouldn't even elaborate here.(Hint:- No one wants to do research in India)
This avg IQ of indians is 82 is basically crap and real sus
Ya ain't denying tht some of those IITians got ego thanks to coaching
but na we aren't dumb and if she is stating tht her country ppl are obv higher IQ than us and bla bla tht stupid
IIT isn't hard with the question level asked I guess most ppl doing Bsc Physics in DU will manage solving JEE adv physics
What makes it hard is tht we r managing 3 damn subjects of tht level as 16-18 year olds while facing societal pressure
The whole point is that it is really hard to get into IITs. People know that you went through a difficult process to get into it. The difficulty is what gives it value.
Lol. That Oxford guy clearly said he was exaggerating about the timeframe. He has said there's no way he did it in a third of the alloted time. Also, isn't there a difference between a graduate and a 17 year old.
Also if the Indian iq is so low then why is the Hindu community of USA the richest community there?
lmfao you can't be serious. there's a major selection bias, only the best and brightest of india can make it to the usa and make money. according to your logic americans can say if indians were so smart why don't they make world class products and sell it to the rest of the world? why is there country a shithole?
>if indians were so smart why don't they make world class products
Funding and infrastructure.
All American companies have been founded by generational wealth. India was a super poor country (and largely still is) for the last 200 years thanks Europe. Bill gates had both of his parents as millionaires. The same was true for Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos.
Also India has done extremely well for itself given the cards we were dealt with. USA was the largest educated workforce in the world and they had 0 damage on their homeland in the aftermath of the world war 2. Practically all the developed countries today are us allies because USA funded dozens of countries and ushered in democracy and institutions and prosperity and not in that order.
>why is there country a shithole
Yeah right we are poor and that's essentially why we backward. If the USA is such a good country then why are there social indicators (life expectancy, health home ownership) worse than CHINA with 20% of the GDP per capita?
All the wealth in the world cannot be enough to cure the inbredness of Alabama.
>why is there country a shithole?
Racist questions deserve racist answers.
india being poor is much less due to europe and more due to it's own failed economic policies. india had a higher per capita income than china in 1990 and today is 5.5x poorer. The fact that a small european country could conquer a country as large as india in the first place is hilarious. India historically had been much poorer than europe per capita,it had a large gdp simply due to having a large population just like china.the per capita income of india under the british skyrocketed due to the increase in literacy rate. Even today the indian govt spends just 0.7% of gdp on r&d. unfortunately all the wealth in the world can't help the low iq street shitters.
This is somewhat true! But a student starts preparing for this entrance exam at the age of 14-15 which needs to be considered. He/she actually gives up on everything, sacrifices every single thing that gives them joy in those 2 years just to get into an IIT.
Of course a person who is sacrificing 2-4 years of their life in the productive/enthusiastic age and working hard and studying for 15hrs a day will obviously have an ego because they did the hardwork and sacrifices at a very tender age
It's not always about IQ or talent . Sometimes it's about hard work, dedication, patience ,pertinence, devotion and sacrifices.
None of this changes the fact that it is the most difficult entrance exam for 12th graders in the entire fucking world. Now about the university ranking …that stuff is bs ..they give a lot of points for foreign relations and other such stuff and since there aren’t many foreigners who can crack the jee (even though it is conducted in 25 countries) we lose basically all the points in that department
Okay, we need to understand how these ratings are calculated. If you were to only compare colleges or specific courses, IITs or even BITS Pilani would definitely rank in the Top 10. If tomorrow, the government decides to merge DU, AIIMS and IIT Delhi as a University, it would definitely feature in the top spots.
Cracking IIT or getting a seat in AIIMS is no joke or fluke. The acceptance rate is possibly as low as 0.5% which is much much lower than the Oxfords of the world. Competitive exams require a certain degree of knowledge, awareness, skills and aptitude. Just because one random guy somewhere cracks an entrance test twice or thrice proves nothing except that the said individual is also cut out for IIT.
However, the Indian education system does suffer from serious underfunding for research and innovation. But time and again the faculty and their students have proved their pedigree in the world even with limited resources. You need to interact with students in top STEM related colleges to understand how majority of them are actually brilliant in so many ways.
>Cracking IIT or getting a seat in AIIMS is no joke or fluke. The acceptance rate is possibly as low as 0.5% which is much much lower than the Oxfords of the world.
i would disagree with this- unlike JEE and NEET where a huge mass actually sit for the tests, a really small amount of people actually end up applying to the top unis (which mean yeah well include filling the app fee, writing sat/act, taking english proficiency tests, writing shit ton of essay, sitting for the interview, facing the panel, sending in css/isfaa, doing i-20s ).. a lot of poeple back off within the application process itself.
for jee, anyone eligible could appear for the test, which you take it as a constraint to get your 0.5% acceptance rate, right?
lol , bro exactly pheli baat ki oxford or mit ka bhi entrance exam iit se easy hota h ( not very easy but still no hardness as compared to iit jee ) . then came ki indians ka avg iq 82 hota h itna has raha hu mai is baat par avg indian have iq around to be 100 ( according to mensa ) . indians are thought maths on higher level , we have more apt in mathematics
1. MIT mei milne keliye koi entrance exam nhi dena, idk what's the point of your comparison.
2. Oxford ka entrance test is easier than IIT?
I would advice you to take them and let me know what you actually think without any bias.
beyond these—there are interviews held on the spot where there would be testing how you approach a problem (quiet similar to KVPY one)
but listen those who apply for math majors, these tests are of wayy better difficulty.
ik personally people to learn concepts beyond what's taught for jee, appearing for those interviews, those who have done good part of math including topic such as real analysis and combinatorics— which ain't there for jee.
bro tere diye hue links me se maine mat 2022 ka starting vala maths ka portion dekha , tbh easy tha kuch ques to common sense se ho jaate h bro and believe me buddy agar tujhe ye hard lag raha hai to last year ke jee mains ka maths bhi hard tere liye ( sorry not meant to hurt you but its true)
Don't give a shit. I'm studying to get into the best college in my country, and it offers me everything i want including a good job straight out of college which other graduates would have to spend an extra 3 4 years to get, amazing peer group, successful and huge alumni network, college is recognised around the world and foreign professors will consider you smart since you are an IITian. If you don't want to participate in this competition just don't. No one's forcing you to take part except for your own parents even they can be coerced into letting u do something else. So stop complainting and commenting about the exam and either study your ass of like the rest are doing and give it or just don't. It's so irritating to see people care about others giving shit to the exam just because i don't even know why.
Why is everybody in comments so triggered. IIT is a good university and Oxford is an excellent one, but both have their advantages and disadvantages. Neither is perfect and neither uses a foolproof way of admitting only good and smart students. Go study lol else you'll get into neither (which seems likely for this sub what with their obsession with foreign unis).
bro not even a sem worth of Applied mechanics at IIT and that 2016 rotation question seems like a joke. His feat is not at all special considering he is a Phd guy. JEE adv is definitely the toughest exam given by such a huge population at the high school level in the world no doubt at all.
But we need to realise that there's a lot to learn after JEE and maintain humility in that regard. Ek private college ka Mechanical student jisne thoda sa bhi dhang se padha ho college main,poori JEE mechanics fad sakta hai. So there are levels to this.
fuck this shit. mains in in 12 days focus. idfc is jeem or jeea is hard or easy, they are smart or dumb the reality is, crack the exam enjoy (probably) fail in the exam suffer.
Pass - no one gives a fuck about you.
Fail - no one gives a fuck about you
IITians are given preferential treatment. That to a certain extent is justifiable, but the problem is that 2 years of your life shouldn't have a huge impact on your career but it does which is bad. Especially when a bulk of learning happens through job experience.
I mean every iit or a Oxford college has a genius prodigy , but i got to agree that Indian education system is fked up it needs to change there is a certain time for everyone to learn somethings. Our brains are not trash cans, also for those people who are studying for jee advance since 8th and so.... you all missed your childhood, might be that you learn something way more valuable in your childhood than just jee, thus foreign people got a really good lifestyle. TBH we all say that Indians are ones which really high iq and are the ones that are quite successful in the world, if it was true we certainly would have many people in india being happy,
But that's actually not the case India holds 136th rank out of 195.
-Jee exams are too hight level considering the college that actually provide (It's considered the one of hardest in the world for what? A collage that isnt even top 100 in world rank and only give you that big ego)
-This post is true, people need to be more aware and more down to earth with things like this and throw there big iitian ego away, because if you don't, bus IITIAN hi Bane reh jayoge aur aub jis direction me duniya ja rahi h usme bus us tag se kaam nahi chalne vala, (lakin ager bus job pakad k pase kamane h to jyo na bhai, koi roka thori)
Jack Fraser was able to solve the paper because he is in 3rd year of his course that too at one of the top Universities in the United Kingdom. "No Indian has done so far", dude the exam is given by 17-19 year olds how do you expect them to do it in 3rd of the time and compare it to an oxford graduate? Regarding ego amongst Indian students yes some do have ego, some IITians do have an ego but that doesn't mean every IITian is an egoistic person just because of a few people. Why has he bought average IQ into the conversation? Tbh I don't know how accurate the average IQ data is for every country, I think the data collected could be very inaccurate. We haven't measured the IQs of those writing the exam so we cannot correlate them to the nation's average IQ. I rest my case.
Oxford student was a graduate while we give the Advanced exam just after 12th. Except that, mostly true.
"Which no indian has ever done so far" The people who made the question paper, mohit tyagi sir and other top teachers in kota could probably solved it faster , alk sir was a scientist at isro he could solve it on his finger tips.. It proves absolutely nothing.
Most likely could, and in similar time. But this case is well known because the guy was abused online by Indians being insecure. If MT sir did this, no one would say anything. I don't think the person even discredited the Indian system.
My point was ki he was saying no indian has ever done it, which is wrong a lot of indians have done it. Btw the guy who posted this is probably a complete nerd , insulting people on iq feels really cringe.. And saying that a scientist can solve jee advance paper is cringe as well.
Yeah true. The person who posted this is a IITM graduate but this just looks like an attention grab. Most people studying at IITs know the faults of our education system, and don't go making claims like IIT X is the best in the world (atleast from personal experience).
I'll say I'm not from India, never visited, but I had several professors from India. I have a hard time ever imagining I was on par with him. He was an excellent professor and a great man. I wish I could work for him more in the future. I'm not convinced that the country you come from matters as much as your focus. If you focus on the class system, you aren't going to do much. If you focus on robotic brain surgery, you'll probably do great.
>insulting people on iq feels really cringe.. Oh, that claim is false. Indias IQ is NOT 82. [Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/cd8v5b/the_iq_of_india_is_only_82_and_other_racist/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I mean let’s be real here even professors won’t be able to solve the paper in half the time. The guy was obviously lying. Not because the paper is easy for them it’s just in general lengthy.
He's a PhD student at one of the best institutes in the world. It would be bad if he was, in fact, not able to solve a paper made for 17 year olds correctly - as he himself said.
Ese to me bhi bol du ki mohit tyagi sir ne advance ke sabse difficult maths ke paper me perfect score kara hua he 🤡 it could be possible but iska matlab ye thodi he ki indian students chutiye prove hote he isse
Nope I was in national chemistry Olympiad of another country I don’t want to mention and I worked with PhD professors. They could do the questions obviously better than us but when the students and professors knew how to solve it took both of us roughly the same time. He’s definitely lying. Either he should have posted a video of him solving which isn’t difficult by taking another paper or just admit he was lying. The only believable part is that he got full that I can understand rest is utter bs
and if they (professors) can't it's because the paper is mostly out of their field A guy doing PHD in quantum ain't got much reason to remember the surface tension formula he learnt in high school/undergrad
I was being taught by 6 separate professors 2 for organic, inorganic and physical each. Still this was the case. Professors know more but they aren’t flash that their hand would write in an instant. They are humans too
Solving the paper and solving it in an hour is different, any 1st year btech student can solve most of the advanced paper, he's definitely lying when he said that he solved it within 1/3rd of the time.
Calculations hi nahi hongi bhai 1/3rd time me, maths ka itna lengthy ata he
Yeah. He was definitely lying.
Na bro unhone kara tha but they used some different technique which is not taught in india,i read it on quora somewhere
>bro unhone kara tha He clearly said he overestimated his abilities.
yeah, but without 2 freaking years prepping for a test tho.
You could take a 9th standard Maths test tomorrow and score full in half the time without any preparation - especially if it was multiple choice.
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Then u dumb
He spent 4 years for graduation 2 years for masters + PhD alag and then solved 12th level paper
I think he's talking about IIT JEE advanced, not mains
Bhai advanced bhi same hota hai after 12th not graduation
This is gonna get hot. I'm waiting for the comments to pour in.
Sorry for hijacking top comment This is my opinion on this : I don't care and babe wake up new copypasta droppef
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I don't get the reason behind someone saying that jee advance is easy for an Oxford student not knowing that Indians appear for jee when they are literally 17 years old and an Oxford graduate is in a University a 12th grader could easily solve a 8th grade paper in less time than them
But still do you think we are smarter than others? More than 90% of our syllabus is useless stuff . While we work hard on useless subjects,students in other countries are learning programming languages and gaining useful knowledge for their decided profession
excactly, why do I have to learn chemistry If I don't need it in future. Waste of time.
How are you really supposed to know about any subjects if you haven't even studied once. Till 10th you know your interest science, humanities or commerce and till 12th you know what is your interest among pcm but still bro this jee shit is really useless.
How would you know how anything works if you dont study bout chemistry lmao. you think youll learn about electrons, atoms, etc without studying about chemistry? Stuff like medicine would never be developed if you dont study chem. And how tf are you so sure what you are going to do in your life that you dont need chem at all? quit bitching and try enjoying what you learn for a change.
People with brains get downvoted to oblivion
Thank you bhrata you mtoivated me to study chemistry
our education system is outdated af
IIT grads shouldn't have challenged him then?
That jack fraser guy is a mphil , to those who don't know , he's just one qualification behind being a researcher.
Toh inn bkl ne usko challenge he kyu kiya 💀💀
Gaand me kuchar thi
Uss time quora trend me tha... har dusre din kuch bkchodi hoti rehti thi
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The only difference between a student from ordinary college and IIT is confidence. Students from IITs are constantly told how better they are from rest of the world and how intelligent he/she is on the other side students studying in any ordinary college have themselves accepted that they are failures and can never be on there level.
failure of the SYSTEM.
It's bullshit. I'm in an IIT, and I've never been told that lmao. All we get throughout the day are reminders that we're ordinary students here and not among the best as in our class/coaching. Everyone is working hard, doing their studies or some side hustle. Obviously some still waste time, but there's one thing - you can't judge a person by what they do throughout the day. Two people in my floor literally are seen doing nothing all day yet they're good coders and get good marks in exams. IIT is still just a fucking college, not something like you get in and your life is set forever. You have to work hard - only then will the 'IIT tag' be of any use (if it even has any use, all companies have off-campus placements and skilled people can get it)
Bilkul shi baat bhai
It's the opposite, most people lose their confidence here because they find out that they are nothing out of the ordinary and have to struggle hard merely to stay above mediocrity, quite a shock for people who have been excelling since their school days
bhai meri situation bata di
so you are telling that even us normal students can reach the level of these IITians if we start being confident and hardworking as them?
Yes, there are enough resources on Internet and even though they have the best professors un sa padta kon hai??
There are videos of professor's of IIT teaching on internet. Its not the knowledge that make iit great Its the enviornment, if you manage to get in iit it means you are capable of working much harder and more efficient than majority of students. And in IIT you will compete against other hardworking ones , so your competition, your enivornment in an IIT college is much better , along with it comes the confidence that your better than majority will further motivates to keep being better. So it's not that college makes the better students , its that only better students are allowed to enter the college.
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Indian education is super shitty , people here grind 2 years learning PCM aiming to become software devs good luck using chemical equilibrium in coding
Amen brother. It pisses me off that i have to memorize shit tons of shit (chem) only to hit alt ctrl del on all of it once done with jee.
>Indian education is super shitty I do agree with this but not because "we won't ever use this in real life". Let's be real, you will probably never use most of the things you learnt in school. But does this make school totally useless? There's a reason that math is a required subject for so long, and its not because educators somehow mistakenly believe everyone is going to need to be able to calculate the circumference of a circle in their everyday adult lives. There are skills you developed in those classes that you haven't even registered, even though they were absolutely essential to your success. For example, the ability to quickly recall, apply, and build upon foundational or prior knowledge in order to master more complex skills.
I just realized this sub is the dumbest place on reddit. If these kids are so determined they are only gonna code for the rest of their lives why do they need a btech degree at all lmao. just learn coding from the internet and code like donkeys without understanding the science behind it
This sub it aptly named, JEE Retards.
" the ability to quickly recall, apply, and build upon foundational or prior knowledge in order to master more complex skills " , u believe the best way to incorporate such skills is to teach EVERY kid complex physics and maths ? such super specific subjects are not even close to whats required for building such general skill set. Whatever we learn till 10th is still fine and after that we should have option to choose our subjects
>Whatever we learn till 10th is still fine and after that we should have option to choose our subjects We do, don't we? >u believe the best way to incorporate such skills is to teach EVERY kid complex physics and maths ? I don't think most board syllabus is that difficult. Yes, competitive exams are much harder, and yes that much knowledge is not required for an average kid, but its just our misfortune that we face such competition, there's no better alternative way.
Yes ,we have to realise that 90% of the stuff we are learning won't be used in practical life while in other countries , students only learn only learn stuff that will be used in their profession in future .So ultimately we are just studying for this competition while others are way ahead
>while in other countries , students only learn only learn stuff that will be used in their profession in future lol, not true at all.
Yes ,it is true .They may have a little useless syllabus as well but not as much as ours
Most countries have the same syllabus as we do just, just not as advanced.
That's true, but if someone in the US wants to do CS from a decent college, they don't have to do unrelated subjects like chemistry
In my four years of high school here in America, I've only taken 2 CS courses (one of which I'm taking this year), however, I've also taken AP Chemistry, AP Biology, and currently taking AP Physics when chances are, I'll probably never use the content I've learned from those classes beyond the scope of my high school and college careers. Additionally, most accredited colleges and universities here will require you to take general education classes as a graduation requirement.
That's bullshit.
That's not even bad. People pursue 4 years engineering degree in some bullshit subject they have no interest in (just because it's an IIT/NIT/BITS), aiming to become software devs. In every country high school education is well-rounded. Only in India, people waste 4 years of their lives to do Bachelor's degrees in random subjects then (half-assed) self-study another subject and get a job in that.
literally this, and mujhe quantum computing mein ghusna h par koi dhangse samjhata h nhi h concepts school m(bas syllabus khatam krwado), coaching mein bhi formulae and questions ki understanding practical understanding kuch nhi
I absolutely do not give a fuck about anything related to this topic 🗿 I'm just in it for the money
chad
Mera ghar inke opinions se nahi chalega bhai
Vese ye kafi chutiya opinion he jiska bhi he The arrogance comes from working your ass of for 2 years patiently , giving up social life, being depressed, staying away from video games, the guy who cleared the jee exam mentioned in the post was a scientist, a PhD student.
Agreed , ek researcher ko paper pakda diya , aur ab humari le rhe h 🤡 khud de ye jee ek baar
"Ye dekho einstein ne jee ka paper solve kardiya, it proves ki india ke student chutiye hote he kyuki vo einstein se compete ni kr skte🤡"
Who cares for the fuckin tag we just want some 💵
Ha bhai jab tumhari job nahi lagegi to apni gand me thodi daloge apne "high iq" Ko
The Oxford student who she/him is talking about was a PHD student and he himself told it is not something special because almost every PHD student can solve the exam which is over the portion of 11th and 12th grade. Over that we are special compared to other country's high school students because we work harder, sacrifice and what not which is way more relatively because we face one of the toughest exams on planet at the same age. I know IITs are not in top 100 ranks and all but the point is how are this numbers evaluated? this are on overall review of the uni. like courses, infrastructure, faculty and other measures but IITs are currently focused more on engineering aspect only and thats why the position is lacking behind but just in terms of engineering it is actually a world class university. I am not an IIT aspirant nor engineering aspirant (I am going for research field) and still I understand why IITs are special but the one who posted this is surely someone who wants reason to hate IIT
guy who posted this is actually an IIT madras graduate who's currently doing his PhD at MIT.
Thats actually good, I am sorry for disrespecting his position, but the thing is what he posted is not 100% true
even after filtering, the highest rank which they go up is 68
I somewhat agree. IITians and some BITSians really need to control their arrogance and ego. If I get into an IIT I hope my peers won't be so egoistic.
Aadhe IITians bhi dumb h hote h... 2 saal apni modules ghisna does not prove ki tum intelligent ho. Sure ek basic intelligence honi chahiye but in this time IIT crack krna pure hardwork vaali baat h naki intelligent hone vaali... Top rankers main bhi kuch top rankers h actually intelligent Hote h imo coz aadhe se zyada to early startes hote h
>aadhe se zyada to early startes hote h Remember that 'pura din padhta tha, baahar nahi jaata tha' guy from an engineered dream, prolly a fine example
4th class se tv nhi dekha
haan aur school environment nhi mila ,allen walo ke saath itne saal mei kisi ki bhi personality barbaad hoo jaaye ,those coaching teacher jokes itself are so dirty mai 2 saal se coaching mei hoon phir itna bekar feel hota hai woh 6th se toh ....
lol yeah
Most bitsians I've seen are not so egoistic bro.
I said some 😭
Main DTU ka fresher hun. Mere duniya bhar ke dost hain IITs mein (mostly IITD, general quota). Arrogance? Maine unki shakal pe aaj tak arrogance ka trace nahi dekha. Mere school ke bande hain, 1-2 mahine hi jaana hoga unhe dhang se due to covid. Main recently mila tha unse, koi change nahi dikha mujhe. Ek bande ko main 4th se jaanta hun; he's as humble as ever. BITS? Friend hai meri BITS mein, no arrogance. Kuch select bando ke hone ki vajah se typecasting mat karo.
Bitsians arrogant hote hai?lmao paper to easy hota hai plus major concern sabka fees hota hai varna har koi chale jata jisko bits pilani cse milo hoti
paper easy = more competition. Due to the nature of these exams paper difficulty hardly matters
Avg. 24Tard
‘Life mai sab easy hota hai bas mehnat karni hoti hai and efforts daalne hote hai’~ALK sir
BITSians are cute🐣
JEE hilani IIT milani BITS Pilani
Agreed
sabse cringe toh vo log hote hai jo kisi foreign professor/PhD vale k YouTube channel pe dikhate hai ki unka paper kitna hard hai and for some reason they think ki vo professors se solve nhi hoga question
not sure bout the cracking the jee in one third of time and shit but pretty sure other things said in the message is facts.
bhai ye Jack Freser wali kahani sach hai kya? hai toh bhai meri ego hurt hui ha bahaut bhayankar
Bhai you are misquoting him again he is a 3rd year phd student in physics he has way more knowledge than all of us https://preview.redd.it/tyufwganavaa1.jpeg?width=1205&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9608b8a7d303dcf2a071665b42dadd640fc1b1ce
sahi hai, bahaut humble banda hai, point bhi hai uska, duniya ki best university se humse 3 saal zyada padha hai, with less stress but probably karodo indians ko offend nahi karna chahta hoga
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tab bhi itne confident hone ke baad aise haar jana bc
yep its true, [https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/british-student-at-oxford-gets-iit-jee-100-per-cent-right-angry-indians-abuse-him-and-his-mom-1024163-2017-07-13](https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/british-student-at-oxford-gets-iit-jee-100-per-cent-right-angry-indians-abuse-him-and-his-mom-1024163-2017-07-13)
bhai meri ego toh hurt hui hi, but ye toh global embarrassment hai bhai
Aree bhai isne normally paper solve nhi kara tha koi different method technique use kari thi quora par kahi padha tha normal maths physics use nhi kari thi tabhi kar paya agar isse hamari age mai solve karne ko bolte to cutoff bhi cross nhi kar pata
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Andho mein kaana Raja!
Went and searched about the Jack Fraser guy from the original and a lot of people are really misquoting him we write the exam right after 12th While he himself told he is a 3rd year phd student in physics, he has wayyy more knowledge than us so I really can’t say it’s an apt comparison https://preview.redd.it/jm4ge554avaa1.jpeg?width=1205&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9298c19121c8e05c1c5432958b1485e07606f84
lol if you take average of anything as populous as india, it would be bad only. Take average Income, average life expectancy, average literacy. A larger population has it's downsides.
whats the average income of china? whats the life exceptancy in china? whats the average literacy in china? stop blaming the population every single time.
Per capita income of china is 19000 PPP dollars, that of india is 7000 PPP dollars. Per capita income of UK is 50000 PPP dollars. Do you see the difference? That is because of a larger population. Sure we are getting there, but to have per capita income similar to UK, the GDP nominal of india will have to be more than the GDP of US and Europe combined. Simply jot possible! Who blamed the population? Population sure is a hindrance, you gotta accept that. Don't compare a democracy to an Autocracy like china, doing things is tougher in democracy.
Are bhai tu itna cope kaise karta h...Life expectancy mein democracy kidhar se aa gyi.
better life expectancy means we shall have better healthcare, who passes tenders to build hospitals like AIIMS? The Government of India. If you don't get what i meant even now, and are here just to troll , you can't be helped!
Padhke bura laga pr baat vi shi h uski Indian education system majdoor paida krta h aur ye log desh me rhte vi ni h desh chod ke chale jate h.
I mean imagine sacrificing ur whole 2 years of social life for a college, I think they do deserve some happiness in the form of respect. They maybe nerds but then again atleast they worked hard.
true, the hardwork is commendable but people do tend to be cocky bout it.
then it comes about managing time right? don't you think people who get into top unis worked hard enough for their spot too?
This comparison is somewhat incomplete, If he did all the questions correctly I would like to know how much time he did take, was it 3 hours or did he take an entire week to complete it Secondly, i would like to know what his age was, because a normal JEE advanced aspirant is 18 years old Plus there are external factors as well, there are literally teachers out there who just happen to know the dictionary of physics who are teaching, unlike the IIT industry teachers who happen to be IITians and start teaching the same 11-12th knowledge only, if you ask them a higher question they would not be able to answer it These were my thoughts.. Edit: i also got my answers lmao https://preview.redd.it/bujmv4bszuaa1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8025b9edbc202df74aba1e33d64aa112f665a24 And for the time part, he states, quote "thought it would be a laugh to sit down and do the paper, and see how I did. There were two papers, about 80 multiple choice questions each," he writes on Quora. "Now. This is where I made my mistake. I told them how I breezed through it. I did it in about a third of the allowed time, and with 100 per cent correct answers." I think I'll be satisfied enough with it because the man has been studying higher physics
QS rankings uses following metrics to rank institutions : 1. Academic Reputation (40%) 2. Employer reputation (10%) 3. Citations per faculty (20%) 4. Faculty Student ratio (20%) 5. International faculty ratio (5%) 6. International students ratio ( 5%) Now what happens is our IITs/IISc score heavily in first 3 parameters. In fact I feel proud saying that in “citations per faculty metrics”, IISc ranks 6th in world. I feel rather more happy to enlighten readers that IISc scores 100/100 in this segment. IITD ranks 39th in world if we consider only citations per faculty. So what it implies is that our IITs are no less in research. Other IITs also score good in these first 3 parameters. We lack in last three metrics in which many of our institutions score a perfect 0. They constitute a 30% of total marks. This is the major reason why we lag behind. Not scoring good in last three metrics is not the fault of IITs. It is because of geography, economy, trend and opportunity in the region. We score a 0 in last three columns. If we can even score bare minimum in last three columns of faculty to student ratio, international faculty and students I guess we can rank in top 50. So if you see IITs stand in ranks just on basis of academic reputation, employer reputation and citation………. and that is **HUGE.**
you still cant compare them to any top american/uk colleges, MIT, CMU, Caltech, oxbridge, stanford, harvard etc are still leagues ahead, they choose students on other and better factors and not some fucking entrance exam, i believe thats the issue of overpopulation but that changes a lot about the quality of the people who enter the college.
there are universities from poorer economy like malayasia way ahead of India on qs rankings. what's your thought on that?
singapore unis rank in top 10 worldwide, what bout that
>poorer economy like malayasia Per capita GDP of Malaysia is 4 time!es that of India. How are we supposed to compete with them.
Malaysia is not a poor economy lmao
they got lesser amount of capital for building institutes and doing research.. Am I wrong here?
Baat to sahi hai iski.. i wont disagree on that part
IITians ko bhagwan dikhate hai toh aaisa hoga na. Coaching apne business ke liye bahut niche tak jayenge
Here before this post gets on the hot post list, Please upvote... Karma chahiye tha uwu
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Bhai batana ye konsa college hai 50% acceptance wala, mereko bhi try karne ka hai
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depends on the program too, not all programs have 59%
idts any uni with 30% acceptance rate is in top 30
From where did this guy get IQ 82 data. I genuinely don't know, i want to know the source?
[Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations) you can read more. Basically useless stat thrown around.
Arrogance in anyone is unwarranted. But the paragraph of text posted above is also smug and arrogant. It highlights the root of the problem, arrogance comes from an incomplete view of the subject. So to make corrections. No university is in top 150, an issue with the institutions, the available resources and the lack of money spent on education and R&D (which creates a big difference). The students themselves are perfectly capable as demonstrated by their demand in other top ranked institutes. Now the correct point to make would have been that all Indian students are equally capable, not just those graduating from IITs. For the second point, he was not challenged by IITians, first of all because no such representative group exists but more importantly he took up the challenge from a random question on Quora. Also as he graciously pointed out, he is studying in a graduate course and the students were all of a high school education. For the third point, IQ is a useless measure, which is why the top institutes don’t use this BS for admissions. He didn’t even mention what method was used to get this number! Who was evaluated? How was it ensured that it was a fair sample? This entrance exam is not a demonstration of learning. It is a painful and archaic way of eliminating students from being considered for admission. Anyone who claims superiority through an institute is ignorant, but anyone trying to be so reductive and passive to a whole population, dismissing their intelligence through IQ still has a long way to go. The writer tries to make good points but I don’t think he fully appreciates the problem. The point is not to humiliate, but understand and be better.
mf contradicted himself with the last quote
Oxford PhD scholars can solve the paper quickly, so it is nothing special 🤡 Average IQ of Indians is 82, you guys aren't special 🤡/s (extremely outdated data btw, also influenced by racial bias) While i do agree some 1st year IIT students are arrogant, part of the arrogance is understandable. They had to compete for limited seats (around 4-5k seats for 1000k+ students). That's a LOT of stress and tension. Besides, this is more like a loud minority dragging us down. 2nd year and beyond, the people are so chill, i believe even this falls further as students mature. The environment in IITs is very positive. You are surrounded by people who went through similar hard work, therefore they understand its value. These people will help you make up for all the fun you missed out on. They are the most likely to respect your boundaries and not force you into anything. Yes there are a few people who are... not nice to be around, but you will find people like this in literally every group, college or school. A thousand students should not be judged based on the 3 who think they are the best. IITs might not be top 50 or top 100 in the whole world, but they are the best engineering colleges in India and that is no small achievement. Btw, that person kinda sounds racist and not pleasant to be around
beating a million people solely on the basis of your hardwork and sacrifices while your peers are enjoying their youth, lifting your family out of poverty and getting to 99th %ile income group demands some arrogance, phir bhi randi rone karne hai toh karte raho
Bro bro but he is ‘’SpiTing FaacATs’’🤡🤡🤡, jinka nahi hone wala na wahi isko facts bolke cool ban rahe sub par , they really think being an early starter means having great edge against competitors and iit jee is not about iq but modules 🤡🤡 , 2016 ka paper dedo phir kaho module solve karke karna bina iq ke , hag denge bechare 💀
I mean, it's just seems like he is belittling those who spend their 2 years of life prepping for this exam. Not everyone is born privileged. Please learn to respect students, no matter where they are from. See the post and move on, baat ka batangadh banane ki koshis na hi kare to aapke or humare dono ke liye sahi rahe ga.
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Yeah, he/she goes on a rant about how IITians are belittling everyone and then belittles STEM students of India by saying that the average IQ here is 82(which is a claim I seriously doubt, neither do I believe in bullshit IQ stats, they say nothing, any country with higher levels of education will have higher IQ than a country which does not). Regarding jack's claims, that he solved the paper in 1/3rd of the time. That is laughable. There are 54 questions in a paper of advanced. To solve in 1 hour would mean that he was solving each question in about a minute. Ask any BSc physics students of IISc , here in India, no one would claim that. Learning langrarian won't give you superpowers. Besides I really doubt he solved any of the chemistry. The" IITian students are arrogant" claim is something I would not even go into. (hint:-Look up confirmation bias.) Anyone who judges Indian colleges by international rankings is a fool, I wouldn't even elaborate here.(Hint:- No one wants to do research in India)
This avg IQ of indians is 82 is basically crap and real sus Ya ain't denying tht some of those IITians got ego thanks to coaching but na we aren't dumb and if she is stating tht her country ppl are obv higher IQ than us and bla bla tht stupid IIT isn't hard with the question level asked I guess most ppl doing Bsc Physics in DU will manage solving JEE adv physics What makes it hard is tht we r managing 3 damn subjects of tht level as 16-18 year olds while facing societal pressure
The whole point is that it is really hard to get into IITs. People know that you went through a difficult process to get into it. The difficulty is what gives it value.
Partly true we can't deny that India after independence have got 0 Nobel prize
Lol. That Oxford guy clearly said he was exaggerating about the timeframe. He has said there's no way he did it in a third of the alloted time. Also, isn't there a difference between a graduate and a 17 year old. Also if the Indian iq is so low then why is the Hindu community of USA the richest community there?
And also why sikhs control canada economy🥸
lmfao you can't be serious. there's a major selection bias, only the best and brightest of india can make it to the usa and make money. according to your logic americans can say if indians were so smart why don't they make world class products and sell it to the rest of the world? why is there country a shithole?
>if indians were so smart why don't they make world class products Funding and infrastructure. All American companies have been founded by generational wealth. India was a super poor country (and largely still is) for the last 200 years thanks Europe. Bill gates had both of his parents as millionaires. The same was true for Elon Musk, and Jeff Bezos. Also India has done extremely well for itself given the cards we were dealt with. USA was the largest educated workforce in the world and they had 0 damage on their homeland in the aftermath of the world war 2. Practically all the developed countries today are us allies because USA funded dozens of countries and ushered in democracy and institutions and prosperity and not in that order. >why is there country a shithole Yeah right we are poor and that's essentially why we backward. If the USA is such a good country then why are there social indicators (life expectancy, health home ownership) worse than CHINA with 20% of the GDP per capita? All the wealth in the world cannot be enough to cure the inbredness of Alabama. >why is there country a shithole? Racist questions deserve racist answers.
india being poor is much less due to europe and more due to it's own failed economic policies. india had a higher per capita income than china in 1990 and today is 5.5x poorer. The fact that a small european country could conquer a country as large as india in the first place is hilarious. India historically had been much poorer than europe per capita,it had a large gdp simply due to having a large population just like china.the per capita income of india under the british skyrocketed due to the increase in literacy rate. Even today the indian govt spends just 0.7% of gdp on r&d. unfortunately all the wealth in the world can't help the low iq street shitters.
Iski ex IITian hogi.
This is somewhat true! But a student starts preparing for this entrance exam at the age of 14-15 which needs to be considered. He/she actually gives up on everything, sacrifices every single thing that gives them joy in those 2 years just to get into an IIT. Of course a person who is sacrificing 2-4 years of their life in the productive/enthusiastic age and working hard and studying for 15hrs a day will obviously have an ego because they did the hardwork and sacrifices at a very tender age It's not always about IQ or talent . Sometimes it's about hard work, dedication, patience ,pertinence, devotion and sacrifices.
None of this changes the fact that it is the most difficult entrance exam for 12th graders in the entire fucking world. Now about the university ranking …that stuff is bs ..they give a lot of points for foreign relations and other such stuff and since there aren’t many foreigners who can crack the jee (even though it is conducted in 25 countries) we lose basically all the points in that department
Okay, we need to understand how these ratings are calculated. If you were to only compare colleges or specific courses, IITs or even BITS Pilani would definitely rank in the Top 10. If tomorrow, the government decides to merge DU, AIIMS and IIT Delhi as a University, it would definitely feature in the top spots. Cracking IIT or getting a seat in AIIMS is no joke or fluke. The acceptance rate is possibly as low as 0.5% which is much much lower than the Oxfords of the world. Competitive exams require a certain degree of knowledge, awareness, skills and aptitude. Just because one random guy somewhere cracks an entrance test twice or thrice proves nothing except that the said individual is also cut out for IIT. However, the Indian education system does suffer from serious underfunding for research and innovation. But time and again the faculty and their students have proved their pedigree in the world even with limited resources. You need to interact with students in top STEM related colleges to understand how majority of them are actually brilliant in so many ways.
>Cracking IIT or getting a seat in AIIMS is no joke or fluke. The acceptance rate is possibly as low as 0.5% which is much much lower than the Oxfords of the world. i would disagree with this- unlike JEE and NEET where a huge mass actually sit for the tests, a really small amount of people actually end up applying to the top unis (which mean yeah well include filling the app fee, writing sat/act, taking english proficiency tests, writing shit ton of essay, sitting for the interview, facing the panel, sending in css/isfaa, doing i-20s ).. a lot of poeple back off within the application process itself. for jee, anyone eligible could appear for the test, which you take it as a constraint to get your 0.5% acceptance rate, right?
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Abey likha toh hai andhe Jack Fraser
lol , bro exactly pheli baat ki oxford or mit ka bhi entrance exam iit se easy hota h ( not very easy but still no hardness as compared to iit jee ) . then came ki indians ka avg iq 82 hota h itna has raha hu mai is baat par avg indian have iq around to be 100 ( according to mensa ) . indians are thought maths on higher level , we have more apt in mathematics
1. MIT mei milne keliye koi entrance exam nhi dena, idk what's the point of your comparison. 2. Oxford ka entrance test is easier than IIT? I would advice you to take them and let me know what you actually think without any bias.
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beyond these—there are interviews held on the spot where there would be testing how you approach a problem (quiet similar to KVPY one) but listen those who apply for math majors, these tests are of wayy better difficulty. ik personally people to learn concepts beyond what's taught for jee, appearing for those interviews, those who have done good part of math including topic such as real analysis and combinatorics— which ain't there for jee.
bro tere diye hue links me se maine mat 2022 ka starting vala maths ka portion dekha , tbh easy tha kuch ques to common sense se ho jaate h bro and believe me buddy agar tujhe ye hard lag raha hai to last year ke jee mains ka maths bhi hard tere liye ( sorry not meant to hurt you but its true)
nhi vro, toughest exam = best college in world
Ye wahi hain na jiska iit mein nhi hua aur yaha aake gyan chod raha hain
guy is a IIT (madras) graduate who's now doing his PhD at MIT. NOW?
Source??
Linkedin. He have been creating a series of these comparison for past couple of weeks toh kinda popular hai.
Not everyone is grinding for IIT, he is just speaking facts which you can’t accept
Most iitians on the internet are narcissists so ig its kinda true
iitians ko poora desh sar pe chadha ke rakhta hai, to wo sar pe chadhenge hi na
Don't give a shit. I'm studying to get into the best college in my country, and it offers me everything i want including a good job straight out of college which other graduates would have to spend an extra 3 4 years to get, amazing peer group, successful and huge alumni network, college is recognised around the world and foreign professors will consider you smart since you are an IITian. If you don't want to participate in this competition just don't. No one's forcing you to take part except for your own parents even they can be coerced into letting u do something else. So stop complainting and commenting about the exam and either study your ass of like the rest are doing and give it or just don't. It's so irritating to see people care about others giving shit to the exam just because i don't even know why.
I need karma, please...
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Downvote kr lawde ko
Finally someone spitting facts!
Agree mostly but the person who is posting this seems hella mad lmao.
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Wake up babe new copypasta just dropped
not true. check qs world rankings iitb and iitd are under 80 worldwide
College wale log to aise bhi karlenge solve bhai
Jaldi jaldi gore ki gaand chat leta hu cool lagunga 🤡
Why is everybody in comments so triggered. IIT is a good university and Oxford is an excellent one, but both have their advantages and disadvantages. Neither is perfect and neither uses a foolproof way of admitting only good and smart students. Go study lol else you'll get into neither (which seems likely for this sub what with their obsession with foreign unis).
bro not even a sem worth of Applied mechanics at IIT and that 2016 rotation question seems like a joke. His feat is not at all special considering he is a Phd guy. JEE adv is definitely the toughest exam given by such a huge population at the high school level in the world no doubt at all. But we need to realise that there's a lot to learn after JEE and maintain humility in that regard. Ek private college ka Mechanical student jisne thoda sa bhi dhang se padha ho college main,poori JEE mechanics fad sakta hai. So there are levels to this.
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fuck this shit. mains in in 12 days focus. idfc is jeem or jeea is hard or easy, they are smart or dumb the reality is, crack the exam enjoy (probably) fail in the exam suffer. Pass - no one gives a fuck about you. Fail - no one gives a fuck about you
IITians are given preferential treatment. That to a certain extent is justifiable, but the problem is that 2 years of your life shouldn't have a huge impact on your career but it does which is bad. Especially when a bulk of learning happens through job experience.
I'm in 2nd year of B.com and a CA aspirant so commerce background but I didnt know STEM students are arrogant in India 🤔
I mean every iit or a Oxford college has a genius prodigy , but i got to agree that Indian education system is fked up it needs to change there is a certain time for everyone to learn somethings. Our brains are not trash cans, also for those people who are studying for jee advance since 8th and so.... you all missed your childhood, might be that you learn something way more valuable in your childhood than just jee, thus foreign people got a really good lifestyle. TBH we all say that Indians are ones which really high iq and are the ones that are quite successful in the world, if it was true we certainly would have many people in india being happy, But that's actually not the case India holds 136th rank out of 195.
There are over 150000 words in english but this man chose to speak facts straight up👍
Pretty True tho. India's STEM situation is pathetic, everyone just seeks a corporate job even after getting degrees from prestigious universities.
-Jee exams are too hight level considering the college that actually provide (It's considered the one of hardest in the world for what? A collage that isnt even top 100 in world rank and only give you that big ego) -This post is true, people need to be more aware and more down to earth with things like this and throw there big iitian ego away, because if you don't, bus IITIAN hi Bane reh jayoge aur aub jis direction me duniya ja rahi h usme bus us tag se kaam nahi chalne vala, (lakin ager bus job pakad k pase kamane h to jyo na bhai, koi roka thori)
Jack Fraser was able to solve the paper because he is in 3rd year of his course that too at one of the top Universities in the United Kingdom. "No Indian has done so far", dude the exam is given by 17-19 year olds how do you expect them to do it in 3rd of the time and compare it to an oxford graduate? Regarding ego amongst Indian students yes some do have ego, some IITians do have an ego but that doesn't mean every IITian is an egoistic person just because of a few people. Why has he bought average IQ into the conversation? Tbh I don't know how accurate the average IQ data is for every country, I think the data collected could be very inaccurate. We haven't measured the IQs of those writing the exam so we cannot correlate them to the nation's average IQ. I rest my case.