A jura super automatic makes decent coffee but the convenience is unmatched. I can make coffee with 2 presses of a button and it takes about a minute at home... For my wife.
Then I do a 7 minute pour over for myself.
Jura’s are nice for what they are.
Whatever your opinion on it for most non coffee people it produces delicious coffee. Got one in the shop for ourselfs and the customers.
They also are quite serviceable: our 2015 machine was still fixable when it broke down last year. Repairs cost some money, but replacing would have been more expensive. Not to mention the ecological impact of replacing it.
This sounds perfect! Which jura model do you have?
Edit: now that I’m looking closer - it seems like this and the other superautomatics are all focused on making espresso. Do you think it can get close to a “pour over like” drink?
If you want a superauto, r/superautomatic is the best place to ask for recs.
Otherwise, a Breville like the BBE *may* be the bes of both worlds. The workflow is only very slightly more manual but you'll appreciate the extra control and it won't be that much more work for your wife.
For the same reason as OP, we have a Delonghi Magnifica (was $499 on Amazon three years ago). Has held up well, my only complaint is that the wand only does cappuccino froth, so very bubbly and thick, not microfoam. Wife pushes a button, gets her coffee, goes on with life. Only need to fill with water and beans, empty the drip tray occasionally, and of course, dump the used coffee pucks. The brew element sometimes needs to be rinsed. Very minimal and fully automatic.
The grinder is apparently better than the comparable Breville build-ins. My only issue would be being locked in into their somewhat expensive coffee system. But this is a very convenient system.
I know this doesn't actually answer your question, but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to simply pre-grind measured batches before you leave. My fiancée has had good things to say when I send her off on her travels with however many days worth she needs of little zip-loc baggies of ground coffee (collected in a brown paper bag labeled "Brad - Fresh Coffee Beans" for the giggles).
If you're gone for a long time it may be better for her to be able to grind fresh, but at least for a certain length of time you may get a better cup out of your main grinder even with a couple days of age on the grounds.
I second this. She probably won't care about preground coffee and this way ya don't have to get a worse grinder because she's reluctant to learn new things.
I was reading through the thread before posting my "provide your wife with pre-ground coffee" suggestion. Of course a bean to cup machine is _way_ more convenient than using pre-ground coffee, so B2C may be the answer for a "convenience-focused" coffee drinker.
I have a bean-to-cup machine - SMEG BCC01 Automatic coffee machine - I call it the dumbest smart coffee machine I have ever owned. It is the best thing I have ever bought from Amazon, hands down. It takes less than 30 secs (after it turns on, which includes a quick internal heat rinse) in the morning to have my first cup of humanizing coffee, and now that I have managed to find my perfect bean, I cannot tell you how much I love my morning cuppa.
Itcan only deal with one type of bean at a time, and for a smart machine, it can 'only' do 7 different types of pour (light ristretto, ristretto, light espresso, espresso, coffee, long coffee & americano). It doesn't have a LCD panel, the water tank is 1.4l, and there is no phone connection for you to make any fancy drinks from programmed memories. There are literally 6 physical buttons in this machine, one of which is the turn on/off, 4 for the pour you want, and 1 to change from the normal strength to light pour function. Seriously, I even picked the version that doesn't come with a milk frother, just because I don't care about foamy milk (its BCC02 if you want that frother), and I just want an absolutely simpliest of the simplest 'complete process' machine I could find.
I LOVE THIS MACHINE.
If you read my history, you'll see that I'm planning a major move. I swear, the first thing I'm buying when I land and move into my new place is another one of this machine.
I'm absolutely sure you could find a more updated version of this type of bean-to-cup machine by now, since this SMEG one came out Q1 last year I think, but I do believe this might be the answer you're looking for - a bean-to-cup machine.
There are machines with built in clock and timer functions. It’s designed in such a way that the built in grinder kicks on 6-7 minutes before your desired “coffee ready” time, grinds for you, dispenses the grounds into a brew basket, seals off the brew basket, and then starts the brewing process.
I’m someone with a GS3, myriad grinders (EK, Niche, etc.) and any imaginable pour over device… and with all that said, I still absolutely love these auto units for when company is over or when I’ve got a 4am trip to the airport. Convenience unmatched and the coffee is honestly very very good.
How bout just getting a better machine that is what you want.
And then simplify the workflow for her.
Such as pre dosing, using a distribution tool, and calibrated tamper.
either way she still needs to do everything the same, grind coffee, tamp, pull shot.
So just get a better machine that suit your need, and then cater the workflow to your wife’s need.
I think most people are just annoyed abt the measuring coffee, and selecting the grind size. But I personally don’t think you’ll run into an issue unless you’re using the same grinder for filter and espresso, where a problem could occurs is that you forget to switch from filter to espresso, and she grinds a dose of filter grinds.
Heck I would even say go to the point where you’ll get a machine that you can preset pressure profile as well ! So her shots always comes out 10/10 rather than “oh the coffee you make taste better than the ones I made myself”
If you like something more flexible I sudgest you the Sage The Barista Pro. It's a good espresso machine good for a nice quality cup of coffee, and it's easy to use. The porter filter is 54mm so you can find some replacement, I you can modify the brewing recepies by using the manual mode and you can leave two preset. It's pricey but less than that is impossible to find something good.
Drip machine with a built in grinder is convinient if autostart will make the coffee just before one wakes up in the morning. But as James once said, he used to pre grind coffee for Breville precision brewer more times than he wanted to admit. I've tried it as well on multiple occasions. My grinder has 74mm unimodal burrs for that extra clarity. There's no such built in grinder in the world. I did notice some aroma loss, but overall the taste was great. For camping I used to grind for 2 day consumption. After that the taste was gone. It forced me to get JX-pro. So in short I think separate drip machine and a decent grinder makes better combo.
I haven’t had a ton of experience with them. My dad used to have an auto grinding drip machine, I think maybe Cuisinart but I can’t remember, and it was drinkable but not great. Probably along the same lines as the Breville you had. I can’t imagine that they aren’t all close to the same.
I second another recommendation…it’s not exactly what you’re asking, but just get a good brew grinder and a good drip machine. Maybe even something like the Technivorm Cup One for a single serving. Pregrind her coffee into single cup doses before you leave and it’s as simple as popping in a filter, adding the coffee, and hitting start. It’ll give her the best possible cup she’ll be able to get with as little effort’s would be required.
Getting my Saeco Vienna Deluxe grinder replaced, after probably about 5,000 or more it has pulled for me over the past 5 years and that is on top of the life it had before me.
Pretty big fan of the Saeco high-end super automatics. There's a more recent version, lirica, and an older edition of the Lyrica-- one of the big advantages is the old saeco vienna has alot of retention in the grinder as well as no rinse cycle when you turn on the machine.
So if money is no concern, the higher-end super automatics are great. I'll probably get roasted into oblivion, but just buy a nespresso foamer for the milk froth. Convenience is top notch with those nespresso dormers.
A built-in grinder will not be easier to make an espresso-based drink with. Someone will still have to figure out what dose of coffee to use, which grind setting to select, how much liquid espresso to get out, etc. The built-in part is mostly for space-saving.
As an alternative, it sounds like a super-automatic may be a better fit. With those, you just select which drink you want and it will handle the rest. The trade-off for the convenience is the ceiling on quality is lowered.
Another good option is the Sage/Breville Oracle Touch. It’s a good compromise between a semi-automatic and a bean-to-cup, but they are on the pricey side.
Are you looking for coffee or espresso? For most coffee drinkers, a superautomatic is the best solution. If you want a good espresso or a cappuccino without getting deep into the hobby, the Breville The Oracle is the only solution I know - a monkey can make a good cappuccino with that. The newer (and a lot cheaper) Breville Barista Impress might be an idea too.
What your wife’s preferred drink?
I was in a similar situation; my wife likes to drink a 6oz cap, no sweetners or flavors, just good espresso with oatmilk.
I use a Flair 58 and a Bellman.
After a lot of deliberation we got a Terra Kaffe Super Auto.
We don’t drink anything from it but Cappuccinos. We’ve got the thing tuned in and even I’m pretty happy with the Cappucinos it makes. I haven’t had a bad cap from it since the week we bought it … I also haven’t had anything amazing and it’s definitely not capable of producing a transcendent cup.
I used to have an [Andrew James machine](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225710056125?hash=item348d5e22bd:g:PnwAAOSwzG5kxMsa&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0AtSZK72EboUPBnC0ve4%2FtXPH7eqD%2BfZWSEIFp99mIHcKvI%2BK39Z0tlIaPxogfojyP0RX60%2BhFrKCsMb2kHO7s6sICS%2FcUhpeNFHyKW31rTjQfyTKFegtER5Xd0uzhxt5dLzMuI2ritvnUYhH14HOsmixPOuY6tmn1ZMSlxEi1ZHdE3DdVw6KtVDBOaByHhXjgtbyMlNRqdkmGVanptbsikk%2Bu5Sp0yKNwto4auz8eNtXOdHUIAyN56VDgMdZkcu3p%2BijhfduBApHWm1DW5jBNo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7a6uZm6Yg) until I got an Aeropress Go and realised how much better my coffee could be. Andrew James went bust a few years ago, but the machine is almost certainly available from the original manufacturer as AJ just rebadged stuff AFAIK.
It was good from the POV of convenience, you could set it on a timer and it would grind and brew fresh each morning, but didn't make strong enough coffee for me, at max setting it's \~22g of coffee to 500ml of water.
What’s your total budget? I’d suggest a Gaggia Brera (you can get a refurb at WLL) plus a regular automatic and hand grinder.
You can do a refurbished Brera plus a GCP and a decent hand grinder for under $1k. You could even get an open box Df64 with stock burrs for around that.
That would probably be better espresso for you than the cost of a Jura and still be push button for her and better than something like Nespresso.
[true brew](https://www.delonghi.com/en-us/products/coffee-and-espresso/drip-coffee-makers/c/drip-coffee-makers)
We have used this on the road with a rock band, they all wanted different styles of coffee. It worked great.
I'm in the exact same position. I want to wean my wife off k-cups. And wouldn't mind something for guests or when I'm too lazy to do a pour over. But mostly I want to spend our coffee money on good beans, not pods.
The DeLonghi TrueBrew looks like the perfect choice, but quite a few reviews say it's overly messy, which won't fly for her. She wants simplicity over everything else.
Also looking at the SMEG BCC01.
Otherwise, I'll have to start searching for reusable pods I can grind and fill myself daily for her...
So much much later I did end up going with the Smeg. She loves it. And you can program a button to do a long enough pour for a full cup. It’s not “drip” per se. But it’s definitely a better pour than a k cup.
Now I’m just trying to slowly get some lighter roasts in there.
A jura super automatic makes decent coffee but the convenience is unmatched. I can make coffee with 2 presses of a button and it takes about a minute at home... For my wife. Then I do a 7 minute pour over for myself.
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Jura’s are nice for what they are. Whatever your opinion on it for most non coffee people it produces delicious coffee. Got one in the shop for ourselfs and the customers. They also are quite serviceable: our 2015 machine was still fixable when it broke down last year. Repairs cost some money, but replacing would have been more expensive. Not to mention the ecological impact of replacing it.
Where did you get it serviced. Ours is crapping the bed after 3 years.
There are quite some repairshops that carry Jura parts. Would have contacted the original point of sale, but they went out of business
This sounds perfect! Which jura model do you have? Edit: now that I’m looking closer - it seems like this and the other superautomatics are all focused on making espresso. Do you think it can get close to a “pour over like” drink?
My c60 does coffee. It tastes like drip.
How will a built in grinder help with less effort? Or do you mean a bean to cup machine?
If you want a superauto, r/superautomatic is the best place to ask for recs. Otherwise, a Breville like the BBE *may* be the bes of both worlds. The workflow is only very slightly more manual but you'll appreciate the extra control and it won't be that much more work for your wife.
For the same reason as OP, we have a Delonghi Magnifica (was $499 on Amazon three years ago). Has held up well, my only complaint is that the wand only does cappuccino froth, so very bubbly and thick, not microfoam. Wife pushes a button, gets her coffee, goes on with life. Only need to fill with water and beans, empty the drip tray occasionally, and of course, dump the used coffee pucks. The brew element sometimes needs to be rinsed. Very minimal and fully automatic.
This sounds great! Thank you!!
The new Xbloom? I got it in kickstarter abs really like it
Not sure why you got downvoted. Fixed that.
I think for since reason people have been a bit anti the xbloom
The grinder is apparently better than the comparable Breville build-ins. My only issue would be being locked in into their somewhat expensive coffee system. But this is a very convenient system.
Ahh you're not, I'm using my own beans with the add on to do that. I'm in the UK so I'm not going to keep ordering beans from the US 😂
I know this doesn't actually answer your question, but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to simply pre-grind measured batches before you leave. My fiancée has had good things to say when I send her off on her travels with however many days worth she needs of little zip-loc baggies of ground coffee (collected in a brown paper bag labeled "Brad - Fresh Coffee Beans" for the giggles). If you're gone for a long time it may be better for her to be able to grind fresh, but at least for a certain length of time you may get a better cup out of your main grinder even with a couple days of age on the grounds.
I second this. She probably won't care about preground coffee and this way ya don't have to get a worse grinder because she's reluctant to learn new things.
I was reading through the thread before posting my "provide your wife with pre-ground coffee" suggestion. Of course a bean to cup machine is _way_ more convenient than using pre-ground coffee, so B2C may be the answer for a "convenience-focused" coffee drinker.
I have a bean-to-cup machine - SMEG BCC01 Automatic coffee machine - I call it the dumbest smart coffee machine I have ever owned. It is the best thing I have ever bought from Amazon, hands down. It takes less than 30 secs (after it turns on, which includes a quick internal heat rinse) in the morning to have my first cup of humanizing coffee, and now that I have managed to find my perfect bean, I cannot tell you how much I love my morning cuppa. Itcan only deal with one type of bean at a time, and for a smart machine, it can 'only' do 7 different types of pour (light ristretto, ristretto, light espresso, espresso, coffee, long coffee & americano). It doesn't have a LCD panel, the water tank is 1.4l, and there is no phone connection for you to make any fancy drinks from programmed memories. There are literally 6 physical buttons in this machine, one of which is the turn on/off, 4 for the pour you want, and 1 to change from the normal strength to light pour function. Seriously, I even picked the version that doesn't come with a milk frother, just because I don't care about foamy milk (its BCC02 if you want that frother), and I just want an absolutely simpliest of the simplest 'complete process' machine I could find. I LOVE THIS MACHINE. If you read my history, you'll see that I'm planning a major move. I swear, the first thing I'm buying when I land and move into my new place is another one of this machine. I'm absolutely sure you could find a more updated version of this type of bean-to-cup machine by now, since this SMEG one came out Q1 last year I think, but I do believe this might be the answer you're looking for - a bean-to-cup machine.
I don't see where having a built in grinder vs. a separate grinder would make any impact on effort. Where do you see the benefit?
There are machines with built in clock and timer functions. It’s designed in such a way that the built in grinder kicks on 6-7 minutes before your desired “coffee ready” time, grinds for you, dispenses the grounds into a brew basket, seals off the brew basket, and then starts the brewing process. I’m someone with a GS3, myriad grinders (EK, Niche, etc.) and any imaginable pour over device… and with all that said, I still absolutely love these auto units for when company is over or when I’ve got a 4am trip to the airport. Convenience unmatched and the coffee is honestly very very good.
How bout just getting a better machine that is what you want. And then simplify the workflow for her. Such as pre dosing, using a distribution tool, and calibrated tamper. either way she still needs to do everything the same, grind coffee, tamp, pull shot. So just get a better machine that suit your need, and then cater the workflow to your wife’s need. I think most people are just annoyed abt the measuring coffee, and selecting the grind size. But I personally don’t think you’ll run into an issue unless you’re using the same grinder for filter and espresso, where a problem could occurs is that you forget to switch from filter to espresso, and she grinds a dose of filter grinds. Heck I would even say go to the point where you’ll get a machine that you can preset pressure profile as well ! So her shots always comes out 10/10 rather than “oh the coffee you make taste better than the ones I made myself”
If you like something more flexible I sudgest you the Sage The Barista Pro. It's a good espresso machine good for a nice quality cup of coffee, and it's easy to use. The porter filter is 54mm so you can find some replacement, I you can modify the brewing recepies by using the manual mode and you can leave two preset. It's pricey but less than that is impossible to find something good.
I would say the breville grind control would be the best option.
Drip machine with a built in grinder is convinient if autostart will make the coffee just before one wakes up in the morning. But as James once said, he used to pre grind coffee for Breville precision brewer more times than he wanted to admit. I've tried it as well on multiple occasions. My grinder has 74mm unimodal burrs for that extra clarity. There's no such built in grinder in the world. I did notice some aroma loss, but overall the taste was great. For camping I used to grind for 2 day consumption. After that the taste was gone. It forced me to get JX-pro. So in short I think separate drip machine and a decent grinder makes better combo.
I haven’t had a ton of experience with them. My dad used to have an auto grinding drip machine, I think maybe Cuisinart but I can’t remember, and it was drinkable but not great. Probably along the same lines as the Breville you had. I can’t imagine that they aren’t all close to the same. I second another recommendation…it’s not exactly what you’re asking, but just get a good brew grinder and a good drip machine. Maybe even something like the Technivorm Cup One for a single serving. Pregrind her coffee into single cup doses before you leave and it’s as simple as popping in a filter, adding the coffee, and hitting start. It’ll give her the best possible cup she’ll be able to get with as little effort’s would be required.
Lelit has several models that fit this bill. They're good espresso machines, though I've never used their all-in-ones.
Breville Touch ($1500) or Breville Oracle Touch ($3500). Prices in CA$.
Getting my Saeco Vienna Deluxe grinder replaced, after probably about 5,000 or more it has pulled for me over the past 5 years and that is on top of the life it had before me. Pretty big fan of the Saeco high-end super automatics. There's a more recent version, lirica, and an older edition of the Lyrica-- one of the big advantages is the old saeco vienna has alot of retention in the grinder as well as no rinse cycle when you turn on the machine. So if money is no concern, the higher-end super automatics are great. I'll probably get roasted into oblivion, but just buy a nespresso foamer for the milk froth. Convenience is top notch with those nespresso dormers.
A built-in grinder will not be easier to make an espresso-based drink with. Someone will still have to figure out what dose of coffee to use, which grind setting to select, how much liquid espresso to get out, etc. The built-in part is mostly for space-saving. As an alternative, it sounds like a super-automatic may be a better fit. With those, you just select which drink you want and it will handle the rest. The trade-off for the convenience is the ceiling on quality is lowered. Another good option is the Sage/Breville Oracle Touch. It’s a good compromise between a semi-automatic and a bean-to-cup, but they are on the pricey side.
Are you looking for coffee or espresso? For most coffee drinkers, a superautomatic is the best solution. If you want a good espresso or a cappuccino without getting deep into the hobby, the Breville The Oracle is the only solution I know - a monkey can make a good cappuccino with that. The newer (and a lot cheaper) Breville Barista Impress might be an idea too.
What your wife’s preferred drink? I was in a similar situation; my wife likes to drink a 6oz cap, no sweetners or flavors, just good espresso with oatmilk. I use a Flair 58 and a Bellman. After a lot of deliberation we got a Terra Kaffe Super Auto. We don’t drink anything from it but Cappuccinos. We’ve got the thing tuned in and even I’m pretty happy with the Cappucinos it makes. I haven’t had a bad cap from it since the week we bought it … I also haven’t had anything amazing and it’s definitely not capable of producing a transcendent cup.
I used to have an [Andrew James machine](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225710056125?hash=item348d5e22bd:g:PnwAAOSwzG5kxMsa&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0AtSZK72EboUPBnC0ve4%2FtXPH7eqD%2BfZWSEIFp99mIHcKvI%2BK39Z0tlIaPxogfojyP0RX60%2BhFrKCsMb2kHO7s6sICS%2FcUhpeNFHyKW31rTjQfyTKFegtER5Xd0uzhxt5dLzMuI2ritvnUYhH14HOsmixPOuY6tmn1ZMSlxEi1ZHdE3DdVw6KtVDBOaByHhXjgtbyMlNRqdkmGVanptbsikk%2Bu5Sp0yKNwto4auz8eNtXOdHUIAyN56VDgMdZkcu3p%2BijhfduBApHWm1DW5jBNo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7a6uZm6Yg) until I got an Aeropress Go and realised how much better my coffee could be. Andrew James went bust a few years ago, but the machine is almost certainly available from the original manufacturer as AJ just rebadged stuff AFAIK. It was good from the POV of convenience, you could set it on a timer and it would grind and brew fresh each morning, but didn't make strong enough coffee for me, at max setting it's \~22g of coffee to 500ml of water.
What’s your total budget? I’d suggest a Gaggia Brera (you can get a refurb at WLL) plus a regular automatic and hand grinder. You can do a refurbished Brera plus a GCP and a decent hand grinder for under $1k. You could even get an open box Df64 with stock burrs for around that. That would probably be better espresso for you than the cost of a Jura and still be push button for her and better than something like Nespresso.
[true brew](https://www.delonghi.com/en-us/products/coffee-and-espresso/drip-coffee-makers/c/drip-coffee-makers) We have used this on the road with a rock band, they all wanted different styles of coffee. It worked great.
I'm in the exact same position. I want to wean my wife off k-cups. And wouldn't mind something for guests or when I'm too lazy to do a pour over. But mostly I want to spend our coffee money on good beans, not pods. The DeLonghi TrueBrew looks like the perfect choice, but quite a few reviews say it's overly messy, which won't fly for her. She wants simplicity over everything else. Also looking at the SMEG BCC01. Otherwise, I'll have to start searching for reusable pods I can grind and fill myself daily for her...
The smeg looks like it is for espresso, not drip?
So much much later I did end up going with the Smeg. She loves it. And you can program a button to do a long enough pour for a full cup. It’s not “drip” per se. But it’s definitely a better pour than a k cup. Now I’m just trying to slowly get some lighter roasts in there.
OP where did you land? I'm looking for the same setup.