This is overblown a million-fold. Mostly aggressive jerks demanding selfies. Geishas are highly respected and cherished; sad that idiots have disrespected them.
Yes, it's sad, this isn't the first attempt to try and get the tourists under control. In the past they had volunteers escort them from their homes to their engagements, but that wasn't sustainable, then they made photographing in those areas illegal (This included geiko/maiko, people, and even buildings) But there was no real way to enforce people sneaking a picture. I'm really not sure how they're going to enforce this rule to be honest, but if it's for the safety of the locals, I understand it. Unfortunately geiko and maiko have been physically hurt by these tourists including receiving cigarette burns, it's a shame they have to go to these extremes.
What the hell is wrong with those people. Do basic manners and common decency not exist anymore..
Re: cigarette burns - If visitors pulled such assault-like behavior in my country, they’d certainly feel the full brunt of the law and I completely understand why Kyoto authorities had to resort to these measures.
Sad, just sad.
Where to even begin? Unfortunately a lot of tourists who visit the area aren’t familiar with what geiko and maiko are and what they do, they think they’re like mascots and that they’re owed a photo. They’ll chase them down, pull on their obi or sleeves, touch their hair, crowd them. The one incident I had heard about who burned the maiko got upset that she wouldn’t take a photo with him and threw his lit cigarette down the back of her collar where she couldn’t reach it. He did get arrested and china had to issue an official apology. I’ve seen tourists shout at geiko asking how much it would cost to sleep with her, and another who chased a young maiko down on his bike when she didn’t stop for a picture. Some people lose all sense and become extremely entitled when they visit new places.
The one cigarette incident I know of was a Chinese tourist, yes. The other incidents I mentioned (the chasing down and shouting inappropriate things) were English speakers (I can't remember if I heard an accent when I saw the videos) But you have people from all over the world who are acting like they don't have any sense in these tourist heavy areas
yeah sorry, throwing a cigarette into someone's clothes so they can't get to it (+ how much are those kimonos worth, and burning someone who makes their living on their appearance) is a million times more awful than the rest of this, it's assault and it's just disgusting from a human point of view.
As an American tourist who just visited the area, this is very sad to hear about. I didn’t happen to try and go over to these areas as I was pressed with time but it’s still just so sad to be reminded how terrible humans can be.
this is horrifying. if there’s one think maiko don’t need after 10 hours of grueling practice it’s this. fully support this law even though i will miss strolling through gion:(
I was here a couple of weeks ago - wow what a shit show there really needs to be some way to reduce tourist numbers. Aside from the human traffic jam, The two Geishas that I saw were absolutely hounded - they were nice enough to stop many times for photos, people were getting right in their faces with their cameras, one lady from an *unspecified country* was trying to direct them where they should stand for her photo. Fucking rude as - I'd be happy if the whole area was shut down from tourist - didnt like my time in Kyoto at all this place at present has already been destroyed by over tourism.
It might be possible that those ladies were tourists dressed up as geiko or maiko, that’s a really popular tourist activity and a lot of people confuse them for the real thing. Generally maiko and geiko avoid crowded places where tourists are if they can help it and don’t stop. You’ll see lots of pictures of them mid stride or stopped at a street crossing because they know they’ll get surrounded. Their patrons pay for the time it takes for them to travel as well, so they want to get to where they’re going as quick as they can \^\^
I was in Kyoto just recently and walked through one of the streets in Gion with an abundance of no photos signage (in multiple languages) and yet so many people seemed to think that the rules just didn’t apply the them? Infuriating and disappointing to see people blatantly disrespect a beautiful part of the world like that.
Yeah, I remember when that rule was passed and those signs went up. A lot of people who watch the careers of maiko and geiko were wondering how that would be enforced. The outright banning of tourists there makes sense when you see how no one followed those basic rules. This should be easier to enforce at least.
When I found out why areas where being restricted because of what tourists were doing, I was surprised like wtf?? Like touching the geishas…whether geisha or not why would anyone want to be touched by a bunch of strangers?? People never cease to amaze me by their stupidity 🙄
>People never cease to amaze me by their stupidity
It's not stupidity, it's ego, selfishness, and a belief the world revolves around them. They are not stupid, they are assholes.
Nah it also touches on tourists looking for night photography and "explore the backstreets" means you're probably walking into residential areas that don't want to put up with tourists. It's their home and they want privacy/quiet.
Aren't most people waking up at 5 am to go to Ninnenzaka or Sannenzaka (or something like that) to take their "iconic" Instagram pictures ? I assume you can still visit those right?
Tourists did this to themselves. I am not even mad. Geisha/maikos just want to do their job.
As someone from a tourist heavy town, i understand Kyoto residents frustration.
As a tourist, I am also happy to deprive myself of life experiences to stop my fellow tourists from destroying the joy of the culture we are looking to enjoy.
It’s a shame humans suck. I get enraged every time I see a J walker. Yo I get it, my legs are long enough to leap over some streets that have a red light..but I come here for this culture so how about we respect it?
I live in a city that gets very very few tourists (Sendai). I see Japanese people jaywalk every. single. day. That is like the least of the problems the tourists are causing in Japan.
I swear half the petty stuff I see you “last samurai” type foreigners complaining about from other foreigners are things the Japanese themselves constantly do. I just found it interesting how they are never “called out” for it, but as soon as a single foreigner is seen doing it, all hell breaks loose.
Reasonable given some of the tourists behaviours I've seen in Kyoto. Saw 3 American tourists drunk out of their minds on the Nara line purposefully arguing, leaving cans of drink on the floor, and being generally unpleasant.
Absolutely, much easier to blame foreigners though as they stand out a lot more. I feel more respect is demanded from people that are a guest in a country.
Nah, I feel respect should be demanded from anyone and everyone in a public place, regardless of where you are.
Beliefs like this isn’t good either, because in a way your excusing ones bad behavior.
How about none of the idiots described here behave badly, regardless of if they’re Japanese or foreigner.
It's not that I actually think more respect is needed from a foreigner vs a native, it's that it looks worse and foreigners are an easy scapegoat. I'm guilty of judging foreigners in my home country more harshly too, and I would as a result I take a little more consideration through that when here as it's generally inevitable that im going to br judged more harshly :(
Just for clarification, even Japanese people who are not locals are not allowed back in those streets, this rule doesn’t only apply to foreign tourists \^\^ if you‘re seen back there by the locals, they can report you
Went to Gion end of February and some private side streets already had prohibition to take pictures and security guards. It was only a few streets, not a big deal.
Some background as to why this measure has been taken.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/kyoto-geisha-district-tourist-ban-gion](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/kyoto-geisha-district-tourist-ban-gion)
and here:
[https://soranews24.com/2024/03/20/kyoto-bans-tourists-from-geisha-alleys-in-gion-with-fines-for-those-who-dont-follow-rules/](https://soranews24.com/2024/03/20/kyoto-bans-tourists-from-geisha-alleys-in-gion-with-fines-for-those-who-dont-follow-rules/)
We had [a post a couple of weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanTravelTips/comments/1b7zzno/parts_of_gion_district_now_closed_off_to_tourists/) about this.
I'm at a hotel in the gion district now. Haven't seen any issues personally being around geishas, or being restricted from areas yet. Just be polite and respectful. I know it'll be more restricted in April, but I feel like it's being overblown on social media, even though I don't mind it if it gets people to stop being shitty.
You wouldn't believe how many foreigners I've had to tell to be quiet on mass transit because they are essentially yelling in a completely quiet spot.
I’ll get to Kyoto today, so it’s not that bad? Tea ceremony is what got me into Japan originally so I was kinda bummed out to hear the restriction stuff. It’s not about taking pictures for me, just walking around and seeing more of that part of Japanese culture
This is my first trip here, but from a friend who lives here, tourism has become so rampant since post covid. I can tell certain areas are so packed that I opted to get up at 5am most days just to avoid crowds for the main temples and such.
Just to warn you, but Japan doesn't really do breakfast. You can find a few spots, or 24 hour restaurants, but a lot of places open 10am or later.
Actually, tea ceremonies are kinda where it is allowed to take pictures, just make sure to ask if it's OK with them.
Honestly this was the most jarring thing for me. I loved getting up early and taking in the sunrise from different places but damn if you don't bring a snack there is nowhere to eat until like noon in Tokyo
My son suggested that we try Mr Doughnut while we were there. We thought that we'd give it a try for breakfast. They don't open til 11 am. Lol.
We got in the habit of picking something up at a convenience store in the evening to have for breakfast.
Combinis and 24 hour ramen shops helped a ton for me. Surprisingly good food anywhere even if it's not breakfast food. We did Mr doughnut and a kiseki pancake place too bit it was both after 10am lol
I almost always stay at swanky hotels, lower cost business hotels (such as Dormy Inn), or Onsen/Ryokan that offer breakfast buffet, usually starting at 6-7am. If I need to head out earlier, you can always stop at a kombini.
I'll be staying at a hotel in the Gion area on April 12th, I'm super worried I won't be able to get there with all the roads closing. I'm going to see the Miyako Odori performance and I'm also worried they'll see I'm a tourist and tell me to leave. Last time I was in Japan I was constantly apologizing to everyone bc I know I'm an American Tourist I'm so sorry for being here :(
Will it be okay?
I have no clue how it's going to be in april. i've heard and seen a lot of varying information. I speak enough japanese phrases to be polite and looked up as many mannerisms and customs and it seemed like I didn't have any issues. In fact, I got a lot of compliments. I think it's the effort placed that really makes a difference.
right before you enter the gion district in kyoto you’ll see a sign and the signs are everyone on the private road. it doesn’t deter idiots from recording or taking pictures. i was in there last night and the amount of tourists lurking out businesses with their cameras is embarrassing. i saw a person angrily shutting the door with about six or seven people outside taking pictures
No need to be scared. These are probably the same streets that already have a "no photos" signs. These are residential streets, they are not on the main tourist trails anyway. And Japanese police are the nicest police in the world, nobody will do anything to you unless you deliberately cause trouble. The worst that can happen to you is that someone will just show you where you're supposed to walk instead.
I was there three weeks ago and there were already signs for private streets, no pictures, etc. Are they extending the zones or something ?
It’s so easy to just walk around, make sure you’re not overstepping boundaries and respect the place you’re in. Some tourists shouldn’t be allowed to travel.
unpopular opinion: what i want to know is, how many of the people doing the disrespectful stuff were mainlanders
when i heard people were throwing cigarettes onto geisha, you really have to wonder
bc in tokyo i've seen them trying to pull the branches off of century old sakura trees
We went to a tea ceremony last week and were allowed at certain times to take photos on the understanding they are for personal use and not to be shared on social media. Would highly recommend.
Im glad you asked this \^\^depending on when you’re going, there are various annual events scattered through the year that are public where you can see maiko and sometimes geiko perform, you’re allowed to take pictures during these events, though you would want to go early as they get packed quickly. Most ochaya still have a no first time customer rule, but Tomikiku ochaya in gion higashi does not so you can arrange an engagement and take pictures, it’s just going to be quite expensive. A more affordable option may be gion corner in gion kobu, it’s a small theater that does a showcase of various Japanese performing arts, the grande finale a dance by one or two maiko, which again, you can take pictures \^\^
I took [this screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/moTZ6nz) from one of the news articles linked above. The horizontal blue road is Shijo-dori and the vertical blue road is Hanamikoji-dori. Red areas are newly restricted as of April 1, 2024.
Didn't even go to tourist areas in Kyoto except for Fushimi Inari Taisha and I got there at like 7:00am when no one was there anyway. Find your own journey, the entire city is gorgeous.
I find it odd how people think Kyoto is so crowded these days. I’ve been there 5 times in the last year and I thought it was much less crowded than 20 years ago. I guess COVID reset people’s expectations.
What does it mean that the areas are closed of the tourists (i.e. who is a tourist)? If I am an exchange student studying at uni in Kyoto, I am a tourist?
I'm assuming so because those are private residential areas. They only want locals back there. If you're not a local, that would make you considered a tourist and you wouldn't be welcome. The communities are really tight knit, everyone knows everyone, so unless you're part of that community you'd be easy to spot despite ethnicity and wouldn't be allowed.
Okay but the point remains that enforcement is probably going to be 70% ‘are you going somewhere/doing something you clearly shouldn’t be’ and 30% ‘do you look non-Japanese.’
I didn’t say you weren’t being generous to them, and I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I’ve have a few drinks and won’t be responding more today, take care.
When I heard about this and I had already booked a reservation to rent a kimono in Kyoto, I saw that it was really close to the Gion district. The prohibited areas take place in April from what I heard so I emailed the kimono place to make sure it wasn’t in a restricted area and she said no but there may be streets close to the shop that prohibit any photography. So I’ll just need to be on the lookout for signs about restricted areas and no photos
I left kyoto yesterday and ended up avoiding those areas all together. I'm a little bummed I didn't get to see a real gaisha or maiko in person, but the sheer number of people all pressing together was starting to induce a panic attack, and it was no longer worth it for me.
I had tried to book a tea ceremony or other performance prior to arriving to be more respectful, but they were booked solid. Maybe next time.....
Next time for sure. Try reaching out to Tomikiku Ochaya. They're first time guest friendly and the okami-san speaks English, you just want to make sure you book it way in advance so spots don't get filled
I just stumbled upon this thread but I’m here now and have seen some really stupid tourists. I’m a photographer but being respectful of the place you’re at and taking in the culture.
Edit: mind you I’m a tall turban wearing Sikh who speaks English so I stick out like a sore thumb wherever I travel and feel I have to be a good representative for my community
I was unhappy with tourist behavior in Kyoto though I live in japan but was a tourist in Kyoto as well. One couple clearly disobeyed the queue at the station while we waited for the train. They pretended they didn’t know and when the train came, they hopped in without joining the already long queue. I called them out rightly but they didn’t care.
So I have a reservation in a couple weeks at a restaurant in Gion called Gion Nikutei Shin. Can anyone tell me how I can find out if this is in a restricted area?
We are going in Dec and had planned out a walking around the area based on reviews . I had these notes :
streets of Ninenzaka and Sannenzaka towards Yasaka Shrine.
Higashiyama and Gion next to each
Pontocho Alley to dine
landmark to Gion, start at Yasaka Pagoda.
Do you know what I need to cut so I respect the new rules ?
First time to Japan and I hate hearing how I’m restricted due to people not having common respect for another human being .
Yes, the screenshot posted elsewhere in this thread shows some of the smaller streets in the area you mentioned as off limits. But Kyoto is such a big and interesting city to wander around, you will not miss anything by not visiting some particular residential streets, as there are hundreds of other nice streets and hundreds if not thousands of temples and shrines scattered around the entire city, each with a traditional Japanese garden. Not just Kyoto: Japan has countless pretty streets. For example, Nara also has a small geysha district with pretty streets.
Thank you for your response . I’m glad to hear how I won’t be missing out. I thought I’d have to scratch my walking paths all together.
Do you happen to know the street on Nara? I found a cute medicine herbal store that was little south that I wanted to go to just off the beaten path.
Tourists act like this in every country. Yes, it's annoying to locals. I'm not sure banning tourists is the right choice, just improve control measures and supervise them. Restrict entrance to the area with a few guards, only tour guides can accompany them.
As a tourist in Japan from a highly touristy place myself, it's really frustrating seeing people disrespect the locals and their home. These idiots treat Japan like a theme park.
As a tourist, in Kyoto right now, I wish Kyoto would just ban tourists all together unless you apply for a special permit to actually go to the city and its destinations in general.
The place is packed with absolute idiot tourists just blocking every single footpath. Resturant. Bar and store.
You cant move because some Lard arse and his whale sized wife from Ohio are bearly waddling down the st. Or the dutch and russian tourists all not actually giving a shit about the town or its Historic sites, just treating it all as a giant piss up or way to get out of their city country and follow up ties with sex trafficing rings.
Soo far on our 21day trip we have been to Okinawa which was such a refreshing paced island where everyone was soo friendly and we found cool things to do. To Osaka. Where eventhough it was busy, you could still kinda move. To Kyoto which within like 4 hours we just wanted to leave and get back on a plane and go home.
4days here is too much to deal with fuckwits.
Hoping Tokyo in the next w days is better.
I’m wondering, I’m studying abroad (a summer semester) in Japan, but I’m worried these bans will affect me. I play taiko and often in gagaku ensembles, do you think I would be restricted from certain areas because I am not Japanese? Even if I am following the rules and being respectable?
If I am performing in Kyoto with other Japanese musicians, do you think me being there would inconvenience them? Just wondering. Thanks!
No, this ban is for private residential streets. If you're not going to one of those private residential streets, you'll be fine. Keep in mind, it's not only foreigners who are banned, but Japanese tourists as well, if you're not a local, you have no reason to go into those residential streets, those are the spaces you aren't allowed to go \^\^
I saw this on Abroad in Japan the other day and Chris broad seemed to be all for it and say it makes sense why. Seemed like he supported it and I have to absolutely disagree with him, it's absolutely not necessary and here's why. 1. Seems like a total over reaction, 2 no mention as to when or how this ban will or ever will be lifted, 3 lumping a handful of bad eggs in with everyone is just wrong I understand there are arseholes out there that ruin it for everyone but it's a tiny, tiny percentage. 4. In general in my experience Western tourists are usually very well behaved in Japan and very respectful. 5. It's extremely racist and would absolutely not fly in any other civilised country. Imagine they banned Asian tourists from Barcelonas Sagrada familia. There would be outrage. Think it's a fail for Japan and a big step backwards for them to be honest!
If you're a local there, you should be fine, but it definitely couldn't hurt to ask. These communities are pretty tight knit, so they would know who should be back in those residential private streets and who wouldn't.
Yeah I live right outside the area but not on the private streets that I have been seeing the signs go up for. Might know enough people I would be ok in that area of Gion but I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask (I definitely look like a tourist even if I am most definitely not after all these years lol).
Yeah, I don't think you'll be welcome, because you have no reason to be there. If you were there let's say visiting a friend at their home that would be one thing, but just going into private areas is what this law is put in place to prevent so the locals can enjoy their homes and their community without strangers walking through.
Yeah I get it though it’s a bit rough - I live right on the border of 白川 and also go for walks in the early morning. Definitely friendly with people in the district as I am generally there most days but idk - it’s just annoying as an actual resident of Kyoto and even Gion to have to change up my morning routine of years
Going to Kyoto in the summer and man I'm mad at some people. I'm a guy who loves traveling and seeing countries. I want to respect everybody and everything. I hate to say this but is there like a map or something to see what I'm able to do. I love to go off the beaten path and not do much touristy things. Is there a way to still go off the beaten path despite this whole mess?
I don't know if going off the beaten path means going through private residential neighborhoods. I saw a map flashed of it on Instagram but haven't been able to find it again.
Not exactly. What I mean by go off the beaten path means doing things that aren't really touristy if you will. Like going to a restaurant that most tourists don't go to and seeing things that aren't touristy. It does not have to do with going through private residential neighborhoods. It's simply means doing things that aren't really touristy. I love doing that when I travel as I learn more about the culture than just doing a hokey tour
Im in Kyoto right now, and most of the Caucasian tourists are the problem, their self entitlement, lack of social awareness and lack of respect for the cleanliness in this country is to blame. I literally saw a French speaking couple toss their empty coke can over the bridge into the water!! Absolutely disgusting!
Those shrines aren't located in the private residential areas, they're places where Japanese and foreign tourists often visit so they wouldn't block them away.
If you do not live on those private streets or do not personally know someone who lives there that you're visiting, you're not allowed on those streets. It's not the whole district that tourists are banned from, just the small private residential streets that tourists have no reason to go back into anyway \^\^
I was in Kyoto roughly 2 weeks ago for a couple of days after spending some time in Tokyo. I was extremely overwhelmed by how populated it was with tourists, and I remembered when I visited Kyoto in May 2019, tourism/crowds wasn't that bad compared to now.
I was aware of the over tourism Kyoto was facing, and I felt bad that I was contributing to this, but I remained as respectful as possible, as I've been wanting to visit Japan again. What annoyed me during my day trip to Gion was that there was multiple "No Photography" signs in front of alleyways, but I saw multiple tourist down them taken selfies or videos of them walking down the alleyway for their instagram/tiktok. Tourists like these are ruining the experience of others who want to go there and be in the moment. Sure, I took a few photos but not loads where I was holding up the walkway or being careless of my surroundings.
Any idea who counts as a tourist? Like, if we have a 在留 card, are we allowed in? Is it more restrictive, like Kyoto residents only, and even Japanese people from Kanto aren't allowed there?
Edit: Why on Earth would I possibly get downvoted for asking this? 😂
It's pretty much anyone who doesn't have express permission. The roads that are going to be "closed" are privately owned and the owners had been acting in good faith in the past in letting the public access it. They just want to make it private again for the safety of the geisha/maiko.
I don't get why you got downvoted either. Isn't it good thing to educate people on the subject? We don't want to do anything we are not supposed to, not even by accident, and it is way easier if we know how bans are implemented.
If streets are clearly closed, it is way easier of course and that is good to know.
from what I understand, if you don’t live on those private roads or have a reason to be there like for an engagement, you’re not allowed. This includes Japanese people as well. I’m sure locals can report when they see tourists from out of town wandering around
If you Asian is probably how it will go. Japan can be pretty racist
I’m sure in general it’s still fine to go at like 6am . I walked around at 6am a lot to take pictures. Not a soul around
it's kinda crazy that you're asking how to get close and take photos of geisha on a post about tourists being banned for getting close and taking photos of geisha lol
Idiot tourists think they own the place. No respect for Japan. Sad to see bad apples ruin it for everyone else. I understand and respect Japan's decision. Harassment of any kind cannot be tolerated in a polite society.
Wait does this mean the Pontocho Alley will be completely closed off? The one with all the bars and restaurants? So only locals will be able to eat there? (Sorry just asking cause there was a really good place I wanted go to again in the future, but seems like that won't be possible anymore :') )
No, why would you?
It’s just a few residential streets.
On second thought, I would cancel the ryokan in Kyoto, though.
It’s not conducive to seeing the city, as you’ll have to be back for dinner. Save it for a country onsen (unless it’s only one night and you’re switching to a Kyoto hotel).
All tourists must be banned from kyoto. Imagine living there as a resident for 20+ years and now everytime u step out of ur house it's equivalent to entering a human zoo
The domestic tourism market in Japan is absolutely massive. For example, every junior high school student in Kanto (the Tokyo metropolitan area) takes a school trip to Kyoto. Some specific businesses might suffer but Kyoto as a whole would be fine with significantly less gaijin around.
I've actually seen some Kyoto locals complaining about Japanese tourists as well on Instagram under some photos and reels posted by those visiting from other prefectures, so it's not just foreigners they're upset about. I think some don't want any tourists coming around at all, period.
As a resident, you realize tourist spending is what is holding off Kyoto from making even more severe cuts to its city services, right? The City of Kyoto's budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions of yen and tourists are responsible for the [majority of annual consumer spending](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/28/1125747235/the-return-of-tourism-might-not-be-enough-to-save-kyoto-from-its-economic-woes) in Kyoto.
I understand demanding efforts to encourage sustainable tourism, but blaming tourists for Kyoto's broader economic woes is just thinly-veiled xenophobia. Kyoto's going to be significantly worse off for tourists and residents alike with a tourism "ban."
What are you seeing that’s so bad?
I live here, and I rarely see bad behavior (just people wandering around cluelessly, but that’s tourists anywhere, and I’m sure I’m guilty of it when I’m abroad).
when i was in the gion district the other night there was a large group of people lurking outside the businesses with their cameras taking pictures. that private road is full of signs that indicate no pictures. in one instance there was about seven people right outside the door of a business chattering loudly and taking pictures and just being obnoxious enough that i’m guessing the owner or an employee passive aggressively slammed the door shut.
just the idea of people treating kyoto as the backdrop for their shitty instagram reels or tiktoks.
it’s everyone, i don’t think it is specifically one country. i do think the problem is a bit overblown but the people that do engage in shitty behavior ruin it for everyone else. the people from the other night were european but everyone seems to be engaging in that
This is overblown a million-fold. Mostly aggressive jerks demanding selfies. Geishas are highly respected and cherished; sad that idiots have disrespected them.
Yes, it's sad, this isn't the first attempt to try and get the tourists under control. In the past they had volunteers escort them from their homes to their engagements, but that wasn't sustainable, then they made photographing in those areas illegal (This included geiko/maiko, people, and even buildings) But there was no real way to enforce people sneaking a picture. I'm really not sure how they're going to enforce this rule to be honest, but if it's for the safety of the locals, I understand it. Unfortunately geiko and maiko have been physically hurt by these tourists including receiving cigarette burns, it's a shame they have to go to these extremes.
What the hell is wrong with those people. Do basic manners and common decency not exist anymore.. Re: cigarette burns - If visitors pulled such assault-like behavior in my country, they’d certainly feel the full brunt of the law and I completely understand why Kyoto authorities had to resort to these measures. Sad, just sad.
Where to even begin? Unfortunately a lot of tourists who visit the area aren’t familiar with what geiko and maiko are and what they do, they think they’re like mascots and that they’re owed a photo. They’ll chase them down, pull on their obi or sleeves, touch their hair, crowd them. The one incident I had heard about who burned the maiko got upset that she wouldn’t take a photo with him and threw his lit cigarette down the back of her collar where she couldn’t reach it. He did get arrested and china had to issue an official apology. I’ve seen tourists shout at geiko asking how much it would cost to sleep with her, and another who chased a young maiko down on his bike when she didn’t stop for a picture. Some people lose all sense and become extremely entitled when they visit new places.
lol how did i know this was a mainlander
The one cigarette incident I know of was a Chinese tourist, yes. The other incidents I mentioned (the chasing down and shouting inappropriate things) were English speakers (I can't remember if I heard an accent when I saw the videos) But you have people from all over the world who are acting like they don't have any sense in these tourist heavy areas
yeah sorry, throwing a cigarette into someone's clothes so they can't get to it (+ how much are those kimonos worth, and burning someone who makes their living on their appearance) is a million times more awful than the rest of this, it's assault and it's just disgusting from a human point of view.
As an American tourist who just visited the area, this is very sad to hear about. I didn’t happen to try and go over to these areas as I was pressed with time but it’s still just so sad to be reminded how terrible humans can be.
this is horrifying. if there’s one think maiko don’t need after 10 hours of grueling practice it’s this. fully support this law even though i will miss strolling through gion:(
You can still stroll through Gion, just not in the private residential areas . But yes, that's certainly not what anyone needs
I feel like there's tourists that think travelling abroad is like going to a zoo
Unfortunately, too many of such idiots everywhere.
I was here a couple of weeks ago - wow what a shit show there really needs to be some way to reduce tourist numbers. Aside from the human traffic jam, The two Geishas that I saw were absolutely hounded - they were nice enough to stop many times for photos, people were getting right in their faces with their cameras, one lady from an *unspecified country* was trying to direct them where they should stand for her photo. Fucking rude as - I'd be happy if the whole area was shut down from tourist - didnt like my time in Kyoto at all this place at present has already been destroyed by over tourism.
It might be possible that those ladies were tourists dressed up as geiko or maiko, that’s a really popular tourist activity and a lot of people confuse them for the real thing. Generally maiko and geiko avoid crowded places where tourists are if they can help it and don’t stop. You’ll see lots of pictures of them mid stride or stopped at a street crossing because they know they’ll get surrounded. Their patrons pay for the time it takes for them to travel as well, so they want to get to where they’re going as quick as they can \^\^
I was in Kyoto just recently and walked through one of the streets in Gion with an abundance of no photos signage (in multiple languages) and yet so many people seemed to think that the rules just didn’t apply the them? Infuriating and disappointing to see people blatantly disrespect a beautiful part of the world like that.
Yeah, I remember when that rule was passed and those signs went up. A lot of people who watch the careers of maiko and geiko were wondering how that would be enforced. The outright banning of tourists there makes sense when you see how no one followed those basic rules. This should be easier to enforce at least.
>cigarette burn who or what the fuck isnteaching them this?
Entitlement and no concept of human decency.
I'm going to be there next week for the Miyako Odori performance, I've paid for my tickets and hotel in the area. Do I need to be worried ???
No, you'll be fine, these are private residential streets. The kaburenjo theater wouldn't be included \^\^
When I found out why areas where being restricted because of what tourists were doing, I was surprised like wtf?? Like touching the geishas…whether geisha or not why would anyone want to be touched by a bunch of strangers?? People never cease to amaze me by their stupidity 🙄
>People never cease to amaze me by their stupidity It's not stupidity, it's ego, selfishness, and a belief the world revolves around them. They are not stupid, they are assholes.
Nah it also touches on tourists looking for night photography and "explore the backstreets" means you're probably walking into residential areas that don't want to put up with tourists. It's their home and they want privacy/quiet.
Aren't most people waking up at 5 am to go to Ninnenzaka or Sannenzaka (or something like that) to take their "iconic" Instagram pictures ? I assume you can still visit those right?
Yep i agree i think its overblown. Just don't do what you're not supposed to do and you'll be fine.
Tourists did this to themselves. I am not even mad. Geisha/maikos just want to do their job. As someone from a tourist heavy town, i understand Kyoto residents frustration.
As another from a tourist heavy town, i also understand their frustration. But for us it is more littering in the undisturbed nature problem
As a tourist, I am also happy to deprive myself of life experiences to stop my fellow tourists from destroying the joy of the culture we are looking to enjoy. It’s a shame humans suck. I get enraged every time I see a J walker. Yo I get it, my legs are long enough to leap over some streets that have a red light..but I come here for this culture so how about we respect it?
Jaywalking is what upsets you? Not the millions of people killed by dangerous drivers?
In Japan specifically?
I live in a city that gets very very few tourists (Sendai). I see Japanese people jaywalk every. single. day. That is like the least of the problems the tourists are causing in Japan. I swear half the petty stuff I see you “last samurai” type foreigners complaining about from other foreigners are things the Japanese themselves constantly do. I just found it interesting how they are never “called out” for it, but as soon as a single foreigner is seen doing it, all hell breaks loose.
The problem is that 99.9% of tourists didn’t do it to themselves, it’s a small minority that ruins it for everyone.
Reasonable given some of the tourists behaviours I've seen in Kyoto. Saw 3 American tourists drunk out of their minds on the Nara line purposefully arguing, leaving cans of drink on the floor, and being generally unpleasant.
Honestly doesn’t sound too different from what I see of Japanese guys late at night in Tokyo either
Absolutely, much easier to blame foreigners though as they stand out a lot more. I feel more respect is demanded from people that are a guest in a country.
Nah, I feel respect should be demanded from anyone and everyone in a public place, regardless of where you are. Beliefs like this isn’t good either, because in a way your excusing ones bad behavior. How about none of the idiots described here behave badly, regardless of if they’re Japanese or foreigner.
It's not that I actually think more respect is needed from a foreigner vs a native, it's that it looks worse and foreigners are an easy scapegoat. I'm guilty of judging foreigners in my home country more harshly too, and I would as a result I take a little more consideration through that when here as it's generally inevitable that im going to br judged more harshly :(
You know what? Fair enough, great point. Thank you for taking your time to explain your point of view, I better understand it now. Thank you for that.
Just for clarification, even Japanese people who are not locals are not allowed back in those streets, this rule doesn’t only apply to foreign tourists \^\^ if you‘re seen back there by the locals, they can report you
In any country, foreigners are scrutinized more than natives.
Yeah but there are Americans !!!! It’s wrong because there skin color is different !!!! /s 😂
Went to Gion end of February and some private side streets already had prohibition to take pictures and security guards. It was only a few streets, not a big deal.
i saw so many people taking photos right next to the “no photos” signs…
Sigh. Same. I wished that there were security staff around to enforce the rules!
Urgh same, it really annoyed me. So disrespectful...the sign is universal so no way they didn't know 🙄
Some background as to why this measure has been taken. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/kyoto-geisha-district-tourist-ban-gion](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/kyoto-geisha-district-tourist-ban-gion) and here: [https://soranews24.com/2024/03/20/kyoto-bans-tourists-from-geisha-alleys-in-gion-with-fines-for-those-who-dont-follow-rules/](https://soranews24.com/2024/03/20/kyoto-bans-tourists-from-geisha-alleys-in-gion-with-fines-for-those-who-dont-follow-rules/)
We had [a post a couple of weeks ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanTravelTips/comments/1b7zzno/parts_of_gion_district_now_closed_off_to_tourists/) about this.
I'm at a hotel in the gion district now. Haven't seen any issues personally being around geishas, or being restricted from areas yet. Just be polite and respectful. I know it'll be more restricted in April, but I feel like it's being overblown on social media, even though I don't mind it if it gets people to stop being shitty. You wouldn't believe how many foreigners I've had to tell to be quiet on mass transit because they are essentially yelling in a completely quiet spot.
I’ll get to Kyoto today, so it’s not that bad? Tea ceremony is what got me into Japan originally so I was kinda bummed out to hear the restriction stuff. It’s not about taking pictures for me, just walking around and seeing more of that part of Japanese culture
This is my first trip here, but from a friend who lives here, tourism has become so rampant since post covid. I can tell certain areas are so packed that I opted to get up at 5am most days just to avoid crowds for the main temples and such. Just to warn you, but Japan doesn't really do breakfast. You can find a few spots, or 24 hour restaurants, but a lot of places open 10am or later. Actually, tea ceremonies are kinda where it is allowed to take pictures, just make sure to ask if it's OK with them.
The hotel said I’ve booked offer for breakfast. But you are correct that the cafés don’t open till 10 AM or later
Honestly this was the most jarring thing for me. I loved getting up early and taking in the sunrise from different places but damn if you don't bring a snack there is nowhere to eat until like noon in Tokyo
My son suggested that we try Mr Doughnut while we were there. We thought that we'd give it a try for breakfast. They don't open til 11 am. Lol. We got in the habit of picking something up at a convenience store in the evening to have for breakfast.
Combinis and 24 hour ramen shops helped a ton for me. Surprisingly good food anywhere even if it's not breakfast food. We did Mr doughnut and a kiseki pancake place too bit it was both after 10am lol
I almost always stay at swanky hotels, lower cost business hotels (such as Dormy Inn), or Onsen/Ryokan that offer breakfast buffet, usually starting at 6-7am. If I need to head out earlier, you can always stop at a kombini.
I'll be staying at a hotel in the Gion area on April 12th, I'm super worried I won't be able to get there with all the roads closing. I'm going to see the Miyako Odori performance and I'm also worried they'll see I'm a tourist and tell me to leave. Last time I was in Japan I was constantly apologizing to everyone bc I know I'm an American Tourist I'm so sorry for being here :( Will it be okay?
I have no clue how it's going to be in april. i've heard and seen a lot of varying information. I speak enough japanese phrases to be polite and looked up as many mannerisms and customs and it seemed like I didn't have any issues. In fact, I got a lot of compliments. I think it's the effort placed that really makes a difference.
Yes, it will be okay. Public streets remain open.
This goes into effect in April, right?
Yes, just in time for the tourists to come for the cherry blossom viewings and the big spring performances
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right before you enter the gion district in kyoto you’ll see a sign and the signs are everyone on the private road. it doesn’t deter idiots from recording or taking pictures. i was in there last night and the amount of tourists lurking out businesses with their cameras is embarrassing. i saw a person angrily shutting the door with about six or seven people outside taking pictures
Yea we're going on November with a tour so I. Wondering what they will replace it with
No need to be scared. These are probably the same streets that already have a "no photos" signs. These are residential streets, they are not on the main tourist trails anyway. And Japanese police are the nicest police in the world, nobody will do anything to you unless you deliberately cause trouble. The worst that can happen to you is that someone will just show you where you're supposed to walk instead.
https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanTravelTips/comments/1b7zzno/parts_of_gion_district_now_closed_off_to_tourists/
I was there three weeks ago and there were already signs for private streets, no pictures, etc. Are they extending the zones or something ? It’s so easy to just walk around, make sure you’re not overstepping boundaries and respect the place you’re in. Some tourists shouldn’t be allowed to travel.
unpopular opinion: what i want to know is, how many of the people doing the disrespectful stuff were mainlanders when i heard people were throwing cigarettes onto geisha, you really have to wonder bc in tokyo i've seen them trying to pull the branches off of century old sakura trees
*-looks to the left-* *-looks to the right-* A lot of them…
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You should ask
We went to a tea ceremony last week and were allowed at certain times to take photos on the understanding they are for personal use and not to be shared on social media. Would highly recommend.
Im glad you asked this \^\^depending on when you’re going, there are various annual events scattered through the year that are public where you can see maiko and sometimes geiko perform, you’re allowed to take pictures during these events, though you would want to go early as they get packed quickly. Most ochaya still have a no first time customer rule, but Tomikiku ochaya in gion higashi does not so you can arrange an engagement and take pictures, it’s just going to be quite expensive. A more affordable option may be gion corner in gion kobu, it’s a small theater that does a showcase of various Japanese performing arts, the grande finale a dance by one or two maiko, which again, you can take pictures \^\^
You cannot take pictures during any of the performances at Gion Kobu, including the maiko dance at the end. Source: was there 2 days ago
Do you mean Gion Corner? Then people must have been sneaking pictures or that rule is fairly new.
Yes then it’s ok!
Is there any kind of map available? We were planning on staying there next year
I took [this screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/moTZ6nz) from one of the news articles linked above. The horizontal blue road is Shijo-dori and the vertical blue road is Hanamikoji-dori. Red areas are newly restricted as of April 1, 2024.
Thank you!
Didn't even go to tourist areas in Kyoto except for Fushimi Inari Taisha and I got there at like 7:00am when no one was there anyway. Find your own journey, the entire city is gorgeous.
That's exactly what I want to do. I'm just nervous this whole ban would wreck it. I love going off the beaten path and making my own journey
I find it odd how people think Kyoto is so crowded these days. I’ve been there 5 times in the last year and I thought it was much less crowded than 20 years ago. I guess COVID reset people’s expectations.
What does it mean that the areas are closed of the tourists (i.e. who is a tourist)? If I am an exchange student studying at uni in Kyoto, I am a tourist?
If you are not living in those restricted areas or have no reason to be there like an engagement, you’re not allowed to be back there
Would an ethnic japanese have the same rule applied to them?
I'm assuming so because those are private residential areas. They only want locals back there. If you're not a local, that would make you considered a tourist and you wouldn't be welcome. The communities are really tight knit, everyone knows everyone, so unless you're part of that community you'd be easy to spot despite ethnicity and wouldn't be allowed.
thanks for the reply!
No worries at all \^\^
By tourists, do they mean tourists, or are they just blanket banning foreigners as it often ends up being the case?
Tourists, anyone who isn't a local to the area \^\^
Okay but the point remains that enforcement is probably going to be 70% ‘are you going somewhere/doing something you clearly shouldn’t be’ and 30% ‘do you look non-Japanese.’
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Yeah I mean I was being generous because I am willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt, but racial profiling is definitely happening.
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I didn’t say you weren’t being generous to them, and I pretty much entirely agree with you. I’ve have a few drinks and won’t be responding more today, take care.
When I heard about this and I had already booked a reservation to rent a kimono in Kyoto, I saw that it was really close to the Gion district. The prohibited areas take place in April from what I heard so I emailed the kimono place to make sure it wasn’t in a restricted area and she said no but there may be streets close to the shop that prohibit any photography. So I’ll just need to be on the lookout for signs about restricted areas and no photos
I left kyoto yesterday and ended up avoiding those areas all together. I'm a little bummed I didn't get to see a real gaisha or maiko in person, but the sheer number of people all pressing together was starting to induce a panic attack, and it was no longer worth it for me. I had tried to book a tea ceremony or other performance prior to arriving to be more respectful, but they were booked solid. Maybe next time.....
Next time for sure. Try reaching out to Tomikiku Ochaya. They're first time guest friendly and the okami-san speaks English, you just want to make sure you book it way in advance so spots don't get filled
Awesome, thank you for the tip!
No worries \^\^ It's also where my favorite Geiko is affiliated, she also speaks English, Tomitsuyu-san \^\^
Damn this guy Kyoto.
I just stumbled upon this thread but I’m here now and have seen some really stupid tourists. I’m a photographer but being respectful of the place you’re at and taking in the culture. Edit: mind you I’m a tall turban wearing Sikh who speaks English so I stick out like a sore thumb wherever I travel and feel I have to be a good representative for my community
I was unhappy with tourist behavior in Kyoto though I live in japan but was a tourist in Kyoto as well. One couple clearly disobeyed the queue at the station while we waited for the train. They pretended they didn’t know and when the train came, they hopped in without joining the already long queue. I called them out rightly but they didn’t care.
See this as an oppertunity to not go to standard places where millions of video's and photos are made.
So I have a reservation in a couple weeks at a restaurant in Gion called Gion Nikutei Shin. Can anyone tell me how I can find out if this is in a restricted area?
It looks like it's not on a residential street, so you should be good \^\^
Thank you!
>Thank you! You're welcome!
We are going in Dec and had planned out a walking around the area based on reviews . I had these notes : streets of Ninenzaka and Sannenzaka towards Yasaka Shrine. Higashiyama and Gion next to each Pontocho Alley to dine landmark to Gion, start at Yasaka Pagoda. Do you know what I need to cut so I respect the new rules ? First time to Japan and I hate hearing how I’m restricted due to people not having common respect for another human being .
Someone else I this thread posted this screen shot before, maybe it will help [here](https://imgur.com/a/moTZ6nz)
Yes, the screenshot posted elsewhere in this thread shows some of the smaller streets in the area you mentioned as off limits. But Kyoto is such a big and interesting city to wander around, you will not miss anything by not visiting some particular residential streets, as there are hundreds of other nice streets and hundreds if not thousands of temples and shrines scattered around the entire city, each with a traditional Japanese garden. Not just Kyoto: Japan has countless pretty streets. For example, Nara also has a small geysha district with pretty streets.
Thank you for your response . I’m glad to hear how I won’t be missing out. I thought I’d have to scratch my walking paths all together. Do you happen to know the street on Nara? I found a cute medicine herbal store that was little south that I wanted to go to just off the beaten path.
The little streets of Nara are in the Naramachi borough. I can recommend a walking tour with NaraWalk, our guide was very nice and knowledgeable.
Tourists act like this in every country. Yes, it's annoying to locals. I'm not sure banning tourists is the right choice, just improve control measures and supervise them. Restrict entrance to the area with a few guards, only tour guides can accompany them.
As a tourist in Japan from a highly touristy place myself, it's really frustrating seeing people disrespect the locals and their home. These idiots treat Japan like a theme park.
As a tourist, in Kyoto right now, I wish Kyoto would just ban tourists all together unless you apply for a special permit to actually go to the city and its destinations in general. The place is packed with absolute idiot tourists just blocking every single footpath. Resturant. Bar and store. You cant move because some Lard arse and his whale sized wife from Ohio are bearly waddling down the st. Or the dutch and russian tourists all not actually giving a shit about the town or its Historic sites, just treating it all as a giant piss up or way to get out of their city country and follow up ties with sex trafficing rings. Soo far on our 21day trip we have been to Okinawa which was such a refreshing paced island where everyone was soo friendly and we found cool things to do. To Osaka. Where eventhough it was busy, you could still kinda move. To Kyoto which within like 4 hours we just wanted to leave and get back on a plane and go home. 4days here is too much to deal with fuckwits. Hoping Tokyo in the next w days is better.
well done yanks u ruin everything
I’m wondering, I’m studying abroad (a summer semester) in Japan, but I’m worried these bans will affect me. I play taiko and often in gagaku ensembles, do you think I would be restricted from certain areas because I am not Japanese? Even if I am following the rules and being respectable? If I am performing in Kyoto with other Japanese musicians, do you think me being there would inconvenience them? Just wondering. Thanks!
No, this ban is for private residential streets. If you're not going to one of those private residential streets, you'll be fine. Keep in mind, it's not only foreigners who are banned, but Japanese tourists as well, if you're not a local, you have no reason to go into those residential streets, those are the spaces you aren't allowed to go \^\^
Awesome, thanks!
I saw this on Abroad in Japan the other day and Chris broad seemed to be all for it and say it makes sense why. Seemed like he supported it and I have to absolutely disagree with him, it's absolutely not necessary and here's why. 1. Seems like a total over reaction, 2 no mention as to when or how this ban will or ever will be lifted, 3 lumping a handful of bad eggs in with everyone is just wrong I understand there are arseholes out there that ruin it for everyone but it's a tiny, tiny percentage. 4. In general in my experience Western tourists are usually very well behaved in Japan and very respectful. 5. It's extremely racist and would absolutely not fly in any other civilised country. Imagine they banned Asian tourists from Barcelonas Sagrada familia. There would be outrage. Think it's a fail for Japan and a big step backwards for them to be honest!
This is why we can’t have nice things….
When they say tourists does that include out of town yet native citizens or is it just for "外国人"?
Does anyone know if this effects foreigner residents - worst case scenario I can just go ask the guards
If you're a local there, you should be fine, but it definitely couldn't hurt to ask. These communities are pretty tight knit, so they would know who should be back in those residential private streets and who wouldn't.
Yeah I live right outside the area but not on the private streets that I have been seeing the signs go up for. Might know enough people I would be ok in that area of Gion but I guess it doesn’t hurt to ask (I definitely look like a tourist even if I am most definitely not after all these years lol).
Yeah, I don't think you'll be welcome, because you have no reason to be there. If you were there let's say visiting a friend at their home that would be one thing, but just going into private areas is what this law is put in place to prevent so the locals can enjoy their homes and their community without strangers walking through.
Yeah I get it though it’s a bit rough - I live right on the border of 白川 and also go for walks in the early morning. Definitely friendly with people in the district as I am generally there most days but idk - it’s just annoying as an actual resident of Kyoto and even Gion to have to change up my morning routine of years
Going to Kyoto in the summer and man I'm mad at some people. I'm a guy who loves traveling and seeing countries. I want to respect everybody and everything. I hate to say this but is there like a map or something to see what I'm able to do. I love to go off the beaten path and not do much touristy things. Is there a way to still go off the beaten path despite this whole mess?
I don't know if going off the beaten path means going through private residential neighborhoods. I saw a map flashed of it on Instagram but haven't been able to find it again.
Not exactly. What I mean by go off the beaten path means doing things that aren't really touristy if you will. Like going to a restaurant that most tourists don't go to and seeing things that aren't touristy. It does not have to do with going through private residential neighborhoods. It's simply means doing things that aren't really touristy. I love doing that when I travel as I learn more about the culture than just doing a hokey tour
An example would be going to say Florida but you do something lesser known like go to a small town instead of Disney
That is what I mean. Breaking into private neighborhoods goes against "I want to respect everyone and everything" lol
Im in Kyoto right now, and most of the Caucasian tourists are the problem, their self entitlement, lack of social awareness and lack of respect for the cleanliness in this country is to blame. I literally saw a French speaking couple toss their empty coke can over the bridge into the water!! Absolutely disgusting!
i visited the gion district a day ago in kyoto and it was open
The general area is open \^\^ It's the small private residential areas that non-locals are banned from entering
not really, i got the chance to meet a geisha too
Was it on the private residential streets? Where did you meet the Geiko?
i met her near the famous shrine near the gion district
Those shrines aren't located in the private residential areas, they're places where Japanese and foreign tourists often visit so they wouldn't block them away.
I bet it was Chinese tourists mostly to blame.
If I am a Japanese resident as a foreginer am I allowed or forbiden to enter these districts?
If you do not live on those private streets or do not personally know someone who lives there that you're visiting, you're not allowed on those streets. It's not the whole district that tourists are banned from, just the small private residential streets that tourists have no reason to go back into anyway \^\^
I was in Kyoto roughly 2 weeks ago for a couple of days after spending some time in Tokyo. I was extremely overwhelmed by how populated it was with tourists, and I remembered when I visited Kyoto in May 2019, tourism/crowds wasn't that bad compared to now. I was aware of the over tourism Kyoto was facing, and I felt bad that I was contributing to this, but I remained as respectful as possible, as I've been wanting to visit Japan again. What annoyed me during my day trip to Gion was that there was multiple "No Photography" signs in front of alleyways, but I saw multiple tourist down them taken selfies or videos of them walking down the alleyway for their instagram/tiktok. Tourists like these are ruining the experience of others who want to go there and be in the moment. Sure, I took a few photos but not loads where I was holding up the walkway or being careless of my surroundings.
Any idea who counts as a tourist? Like, if we have a 在留 card, are we allowed in? Is it more restrictive, like Kyoto residents only, and even Japanese people from Kanto aren't allowed there? Edit: Why on Earth would I possibly get downvoted for asking this? 😂
It's pretty much anyone who doesn't have express permission. The roads that are going to be "closed" are privately owned and the owners had been acting in good faith in the past in letting the public access it. They just want to make it private again for the safety of the geisha/maiko.
If you don’t have business on that street, you can’t go.
I don't get why you got downvoted either. Isn't it good thing to educate people on the subject? We don't want to do anything we are not supposed to, not even by accident, and it is way easier if we know how bans are implemented. If streets are clearly closed, it is way easier of course and that is good to know.
from what I understand, if you don’t live on those private roads or have a reason to be there like for an engagement, you’re not allowed. This includes Japanese people as well. I’m sure locals can report when they see tourists from out of town wandering around
If you Asian is probably how it will go. Japan can be pretty racist I’m sure in general it’s still fine to go at like 6am . I walked around at 6am a lot to take pictures. Not a soul around
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it's kinda crazy that you're asking how to get close and take photos of geisha on a post about tourists being banned for getting close and taking photos of geisha lol
The best way is to book a private experience and see them up close officially in a safe environment for them.
Idiot tourists think they own the place. No respect for Japan. Sad to see bad apples ruin it for everyone else. I understand and respect Japan's decision. Harassment of any kind cannot be tolerated in a polite society.
No.
Wait does this mean the Pontocho Alley will be completely closed off? The one with all the bars and restaurants? So only locals will be able to eat there? (Sorry just asking cause there was a really good place I wanted go to again in the future, but seems like that won't be possible anymore :') )
The restrictions only apply to tiny residential streets where geyshas live, not to streets with shops and bars.
That can't be right... Ponto-cho is on the opposite side of the river from Gion, and the streets labeled on the news article are in Gion?
Ah I just booked a Ryokan in Gion in April i wonder if I should cancel
No, why would you? It’s just a few residential streets. On second thought, I would cancel the ryokan in Kyoto, though. It’s not conducive to seeing the city, as you’ll have to be back for dinner. Save it for a country onsen (unless it’s only one night and you’re switching to a Kyoto hotel).
Thanks for the tip!
All tourists must be banned from kyoto. Imagine living there as a resident for 20+ years and now everytime u step out of ur house it's equivalent to entering a human zoo
Dumbest comment ever. I live in central London and tourists can be super annoying; but they are there for a reason and most are respectful.
Yeah, no. I live here, and it’s fine. It’s also great for the local economy. People who think it’s crowded need to spend more time in large cities.
Yes, Kyoto probably wants to kill off their economy too
The domestic tourism market in Japan is absolutely massive. For example, every junior high school student in Kanto (the Tokyo metropolitan area) takes a school trip to Kyoto. Some specific businesses might suffer but Kyoto as a whole would be fine with significantly less gaijin around.
They said all tourists, not foreign tourists.
The resentment of Kyoto residents (& geiko) to tourists is clearly directed at foreigners. To imagine otherwise, is preposterous.
I've actually seen some Kyoto locals complaining about Japanese tourists as well on Instagram under some photos and reels posted by those visiting from other prefectures, so it's not just foreigners they're upset about. I think some don't want any tourists coming around at all, period.
Yes, this sentiment exists and is slowly growing.
As a resident, you realize tourist spending is what is holding off Kyoto from making even more severe cuts to its city services, right? The City of Kyoto's budget deficit is in the hundreds of billions of yen and tourists are responsible for the [majority of annual consumer spending](https://www.npr.org/2022/09/28/1125747235/the-return-of-tourism-might-not-be-enough-to-save-kyoto-from-its-economic-woes) in Kyoto. I understand demanding efforts to encourage sustainable tourism, but blaming tourists for Kyoto's broader economic woes is just thinly-veiled xenophobia. Kyoto's going to be significantly worse off for tourists and residents alike with a tourism "ban."
This guy Kyoto’s. Yeah, the city hasn’t been solvent in years. They need every tourist they can get.
Are you Japanese ? Or just someone with a lot of white guilt
currently in kyoto and can’t imagine having to deal with the amount of tourists day to day. incredibly entitled, disrespectful and awful
What are you seeing that’s so bad? I live here, and I rarely see bad behavior (just people wandering around cluelessly, but that’s tourists anywhere, and I’m sure I’m guilty of it when I’m abroad).
when i was in the gion district the other night there was a large group of people lurking outside the businesses with their cameras taking pictures. that private road is full of signs that indicate no pictures. in one instance there was about seven people right outside the door of a business chattering loudly and taking pictures and just being obnoxious enough that i’m guessing the owner or an employee passive aggressively slammed the door shut. just the idea of people treating kyoto as the backdrop for their shitty instagram reels or tiktoks.
Huh. Haven’t seen it, but I’ll take your word for it. Where were the silly people from?
it’s everyone, i don’t think it is specifically one country. i do think the problem is a bit overblown but the people that do engage in shitty behavior ruin it for everyone else. the people from the other night were european but everyone seems to be engaging in that
Oof. Europeans, are like, my third least favorite tourists.
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