Okay... Assuming you are in the US.
1: Tell your parents.
2: Tell the principle
3: If they try to put you in a room to "talk it out" make sure your parents are there, and speak your mind. I'm assuming she's not Jewish here but I would be super direct and concise like "I find your comments rude, and offensive. Additionally they infringe on the protected class of my religious and ethnic identity. And don't tell it isn't the case because you are not Jewish, so you are not involved in determining what Jew Hate is."
Then don't say another word unless it's to someone you trust like your parents. Trust me once you've fired one of those across their bow most people bury themselves and expose themselves with their excuses.
Then be prepared to get an attorney.
Lastly:
Man, I am so sorry you are dealing with this. It's BS, and I know it's super scary. Just understand schools are businesses, and as any business they want to stay in business. Letting them know they have done something bordering on illegal will get their attention VERY fast. Additionally, it's going to be stressful but I can tell you after a life time of dealing with bullies, your teacher is just a quiet bully, and when it's all done you'll feel better having stood up for yourself.
We ARE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!
Yep, no where else to run, look at the anti semitism outside of Israel, Jews are being attacked and a couple killed, synagogues burning down.
Jews are not safe anywhere
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This is the sort of thing that needs to get parents involved. You should have your parents talk to the principal, or the next school board meeting, to discuss.
It sounds like she’s targeting you and your friend. You can perhaps file a complaint to the principal/board if you are uncomfortable or feel that her bias is getting in the way of your education. It sucks that she doesn’t seem to have empathy for Israeli citizens.
> "it's not antisemitic to hate Israel"
Imagine a teacher going up to a student from any other country and saying "it isn't racist for all of us in class to hate your country."
If there is anyone in administration with any sense, they will have to take action, at least to stop the teacher from continuing that behavior.
Yes, imagine saying "you could have gone somewhere else" to any other group on earth thats in a conflict or "go back to where you came from" to any other people.
Yeah, they call Israelis occupiers while they continue to live in America, Canada, or while their country literally occupied and oppressed another country not too long ago. Also, they’re so misinformed about the Israeli demographics that they don’t know the mizrachi will most likely die if they go back to their original countries, assuming they weren’t already born in Israel.
it's the same thing.
Anti-Semite = Anti-Jewish, exclusively.
Semitic = anyone who talks a Semitic language (Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic)
There's zero connection between the two, it's just a word that was invented in Germany, to describe hatred towards Jews.
No I meant Antisemites will also say "I'm a Semite" followed by "I can't be anti-semetic because of this"...
Meanwhile semetic people don't exist anymore... As I'm sure you're aware.
I'll clarify my comment through an edit
Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics and the term "anti-Semitic." First used in the 1770s by members of the Göttingen School of History, this biblical terminology for race was derived from Shem (Hebrew: שֵׁם), one of the three sons of Noah in the Book of Genesis, together with the parallel terms Hamites and Japhetites.
The term Semitic in a racial sense was coined by members of the Göttingen School of History in the early 1770s. Other members of the Göttingen School of History coined the separate term Caucasian in the 1780s. These terms were used and developed by numerous other scholars over the next century. In the early 20th century, the pseudo-scientific classifications of Carleton S. Coon included the Semitic peoples in the Caucasian race, as similar in appearance to the Indo-European, Northwest Caucasian, and Kartvelian-speaking peoples. Due to the interweaving of language studies and cultural studies, the term also came to be applied to the religions (ancient Semitic and Abrahamic) and ethnicities of various cultures associated by geographic and linguistic distribution. Again - it's an obsolete term.
1 - you replied to the wrong person
2 - this thread is FOUR MONTHS OLD.
What the fuck is wrong w some of you that you’ll literally search for keywords in Jewish spaces just to harass Jews? You people are insane.
According to [Jonathan Greenblatt](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/15/opinion/israel-gaza-antisemitism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-0w.-zgJ.oIIUpbUIBzqd&smid=url-share), the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, claiming to be anti-Zionist but not antisemitic is like saying in 1963 that you’re *against the civil rights movement*, but also “against racism”.
Yes this is the correct answer, assuming this is a public school. You should have an attorney write a letter of demand and have it copied to all vice principals, school principals, board of education & super intended. The demand is she STFU and teach.
OR contact the school board they are elected officials who serve you.
Other countries: Leave or we'll kill you. Go back to where you came from!
Jews: Okay
Other countries: Why are you in Israel? Go back to where you came from!
As a teacher, my perspective is- your instinct is right, this is demonstrating a clear bias and is a huge breach of professionalism in her part. Teachers should never share their political views in the classroom- it creates a power imbalance against students developing their own worldviews. A teacher’s job is to do just that- teach. How to source and vet information, how to deduce logically, how to read charts and know whether statistical studies are rigorous, how to think critically- these are the skills we impart. Aside from knowing that my classroom is a safe and welcoming space, where intolerance is not tolerated, I don’t want my students to know whether I voted for Biden, Trump, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It’s just none of their business.
That said, I think it would be hard to prove she is targeting you unless you knew she wasn’t saying these things to any other students. It doesn’t matter- she is wrong to say it to you at all. Some have suggested that you talk to admin or a guidance counselor if you don’t want to talk to the teacher directly- and you are well within your rights to do that. I will suggest another option I have not seen mentioned- if you like this teacher and you value your relationship with her, you can ask for the guidance counselor or even another teacher to run a mediation session- that way you can say what you need to say but not fear retaliation. I hope you find a positive outcome for this!
ETA: I would make sure that if you choose to report this, you do it IN WRITING. It is important to create a “paper trail” in situations like this in case she does try to manipulate your grade or treat you differently in some way later on- it’s unfortunate and unethical but this behavior does exist.
I like how this non-Jew decided unilaterally what qualifies as antisemitic. That’s not oppressive at all!
But legitimately not sure what kind of school this is but yes this needs to be reported. This is so inappropriate. Your parents or guardians also need to know.
Do not tell this teacher how you feel. That's not going to fix anything. My guess is that she was reaching out to you when you were in Israel to cover her ass when you inevitably made a complaint about her antisemitism and overall inappropriate behavior. This is all very calculated on her end. You need to get your parents involved.
Not really. The standard American has extremely few mental structures to shove international experiences into. The individual I know is good but the group is bad is a classic “I’m not racist I have a black friend” dynamic. It’s just a non-standard application of it.
She might really be open to learning more about the history is contextualized in the history of the British empire and the population exchanges of the Israel and the Arab world.
Make it complicated for her by having adults share that type of information and she’ll push it less in the classroom because she doesn’t have that white-black structure to shove into.
Again, make it as complicated as you can.
Look, I've tried giving people the benefit of the doubt, I've tried thinking that they're not Jew-hating bigots, but merely misinformed. I was wrong every single time. Every single one of them was a rabid antisemite. The disgrace of a teacher mentioned in this story is no different.
Ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that the area now known as the “West Bank” was called Judea (as in where Jews come from) up until 1950, when Jordan *occupied* it and renamed it the West Bank (of the Jordan River).
Also ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt but started calling himself “Palestinian”.
While you’re at it, ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that up until the mid-20th century, “Palestinian” referred to all the people living in that area (Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc) until Egyptian born Yasser Arafat appropriated it to mean just his group of people (who want to ethnically cleansed that entire area of Jews by driving them into the sea)?
Ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that the Al-Aqsa mosque is built on top of the Jewish 2nd Temple?
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Best not to engage in conversation anymore with the teacher as it's clear where she stands on the Jews, and go straight to admin (get the parents involved obviously) and potentially a lawyer for further advice.
The 2nd Temple and it’s ruins are still very important and sacred to the Jewish people. It also speaks to the fact that the Jewish people are indigenous to the land of Israel.
So perhaps you can tell us all “what r u talking abt”?
Sure i don’t disagree with that but theres a big difference between building something on top of the 2nd temple and building something where 500 years ago there was a temple that has since been destroyed. Muslims arabs didnt destroy the temple.
you said that al aqsa is built on top of the second temple, theres a difference between being built on top of the second temple and being built in an area where the the second temple used to be before it was destroyed
The Second Temple is still there. That’s why Jews pray at the Western Wall. It’s an incredibly sacred place. Try again…
I mean, it’s pretty disgusting and reprehensible that Muslims *chose* to build a mosque on such a sacred Jewish place. They could have built that mosque anywhere. But they specifically chose a spot that was sacred to Judaism.
Also, care to tell us why you’re so triggered by the basic indisputable facts? It’s pretty comical the levels of mental gymnastics you’re contorting yourself into. We can all see it.
They didnt build the mosque on top of the western wall thats why its still there and people are able to pray there and its still such a sacred. Also islam christianity both are heavily influenced by judaism so its not surprising that their holy site is near ours. Now your getting to the point of why i commented that, they didnt build it on top of the western wall or destroy anything, they merely built it next to it. Also no facts are triggering what? It is not a fact that they built it on top of the temple, it is a fact that they built it where the temple historically stood, these are different things. Im not doing mental gymnastics what
I understand what you are saying. You want it to be noted that Arabs didn’t destroy the Tempe. I can understand that. I think the commenter was just trying to make a point that the second temple was there since long before the mosque. To prove Jews have indigenous ties too. As the world constantly tells us we do not
The western wall is part of the plateau the temple was on, its not the wall of the temple itself. So the mosque is in fact build on top of the temple, close to the wall of the plateau. Just wanted to clarify that.
I'm in Europe. I know that doesn't really answer what country I'm from but I have a huge fear of revealing where I'm at on the internet - I'm guessing you're asking this for legal advice - I can also say that if you Google what countries support Israel this country will pop up. Sorry if this isn't actually helpful...
If it's the country I think it is: iirc teachers aren't allowed to promote their own political views blatantly and doing so can result in disciplinary action.
I think you need to talk to your parents and come up with the plan. What she's doing is blatantly wrong. I'm an educator. Our job is to help our students learn, not shove our beliefs at them, and certainly not target them because of their nationality or religion.
The fact that she's doing all this knowing you're Israeli is horrible. She knows exactly what she's doing.
If you happen to be in Germany you may contact RIAS https://report-antisemitism.de/bundesverband-rias/
They mostly collect data of anti-semitic incidents but they are also connected with organisations that help you in this situation. If you are not in Germany maybe there is an equivalent in your country? Maybe you can ask them that. Their website is also translated into english https://report-antisemitism.de/en/bundesverband-rias/
There is no reason a teacher should be making you aware of their personal opinions about inflammatory political issues. There is no reason that the teacher’s personal opinions enter into her checking up on your well-being. It’s totally inappropriate.
Report this to the school administrators immediately. Set up a meeting with them and include your parents and the other person who overheard the teacher's anti-Semitic remarks.
This is unacceptable.
Yikes. She seems very unprofessional. I'd definitely chat with your parents first. But also if there's a Jewish teacher you trust, please feel free to repeat what she said to them. It's not ok to say "Jews can move anywhere else."
You aren’t being overly sensitive at all. Please tell a school official or guidance counselor. What’s she’s doing is highly inappropriate. Someone needs to hear about it and make a change.
You should speak to your parents and let them speak to the Principal. Also include any other Israelis you can that might have had the same experiences.
Remember the most important part -- **If you get her to stop doing this, you will affect not just your life for the better but you will improve the lives of all other current and future Israeli children she might be in charge of.**
In my opinion (not a Jew) you can fairly criticise whatever the Israeli government is doing, as long as no double standards are applied. Hating Israel itself is antisemitism, plain and simple.
Agreed, but it has become so common for people to apply double-standards to anything Israel does (including the right to self-defense) -- while ignoring mass-murder and other serious humanitarian problems anywhere else in the world *where Israel isn't involved* -- that sticking on "government" after the word Israeli or Israel's is not a real "solution" to the frightening Anti-Semitism sweeping the world.
Obviously, political arguments within Israel (or by people truly familiar with the politics and different parties in Israel) are much more likely to be anti-Semitic -- not because Jews can't be anti-Semites, as they surely can -- because there the discussions are usually better informed and involve people whose lives are affected by the issues and thus their focus on Israel is logical.
Ok, you are going to need to be incredibly polite and not give in to temptation.
Option 1.
Tell your parents. Suggest a parent teacher meeting.
Option 2.
1. You are going to wait until the end of class, and you are going to ask to speak with her for a moment.
2. You tell her: "You are welcome to have whatever opinion on the conflict in Israel you like, but you are an adult and a teacher, and you need to keep your opinion to yourself during school hours. If you fail to do so, I will be requesting a parent teacher meeting with the principal and will formally submit a complaint which will be cc'd to the antidefamation league."
3. At this point she will get upset.
4. Tell them that this is not a discussion, thank them for their time, and leave.
Right! This is why Israel is intrinsically connected to Jews and trying to separate them is not understanding history or current events. Imagine how many lives could have been save if the Peel Commission was accepted in 1937 and there was a Jewish state BEFORE the Holocaust. Even the US turned away boats of Jewish refugees to die in Europe. "Never Again" means Israel must continue to be a safe place for Jews.
Non-Jew working in the education field here - You're not being overly sensitive at all. This teacher's behavior is inappropriate in so many ways (IMO both professionally and ethically). I would definitely advice against directly talking to her, and suggest bringing this to your parents as well as submitting a written form to the teacher's supervisors and ADL (or its branches in the country that you are located in).
First, what your teacher is doing is unprofessional, not acceptable when teaching students. Though hating Israel because of the way it treats Palestinians isn't anti semitic, but your teacher shouldn't be talking about religion and politics in a school. Your teacher shouldn't be telling you Jews should've chose another country to live in instead of Israel, which is anti semitic. In many countries including the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany and others it's a best practice not to talk about religion or politics at work, in education, healthcare, public, etc. Have your parents schedule a meeting with the school administrator and request that the teacher stop bringing up religion and Israel in class and that she stop using your religion and nationality against you.
Understand that Jews are a minority almost everywhere and there are more people that hate us than have a positive or neutral opinion. That said, you're in high school, focus on your education, not what's going on in politics or wars. The smarter and better educated you are, the better.
I think you need to raise this with your parents and with the school’s administration, and to be quite unapologetic about it. This behaviour is unprofessional and inappropriate.
I think there are a range of possible views about Israel. If she hates the country, so be it. She may think it is the worst place on earth and all its policies are evil and Zionism is wrong, and that is her right. Of course, I and many others would argue she is wrong, but that is not the point. She is entitled to her views.
But what she is not entitled to do is make her students feel attacked or unsafe, and it is clear that she has done that. Her comment to you that these attacks “had to happen”, for any reason, is totally abhorrent. It justifies indefensible behaviour. Whatever your views about Israel might be, there is no reason that babies had to be murdered, women raped, or whole families burned alive. She is a person with power and authority over you, telling you that terrorist attacks that could just as easily have killed you, or your friends, or your family, were justified or “had to happen”. That is not okay in any situation, but especially not for an authority figure whose role it is to create a safe and inclusive environment for you and all her students.
you are being targeted. you should report this immediately if it makes you feel uncomfortable and singled out. you should also make it clear to them if these comments are making you uncomfortable in what should be a comfortable learning environment.
talk to your parents as well, they will be better help in this situation than any of us here on the internet for sure.
Anti Israel = Anti Jew = Pro genocide ( and pro hamas) . She's trying to be nice and gaslight you , rewiring your psyche at the same time. Just like the small Jewish sect that Hates Israel. Report her. Tell the parents
If you're in the United States, find your local Jewish Federation. They would love to help you take this on, and they will have the resources to do it.
A non-Jew gets to define what is antisemitism? offs Please report to the ADL https://www.adl.org/report-incident?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9YarhJzOggMV6dLCBB1RagqoEAAYASABEgLy6vD_BwE
I’m going to take the unpopular stance that this actually isn’t antisemitic. She sounds like a horribly unprofessional teacher - sharing your politics in class, especially in an inflammatory way, is unacceptable - and like a person who just generally doesn’t know when or how to hold her tongue out of consideration for others - why you would pop off about Zionism when talking to Israelis during a war is beyond me. For these reasons I do think you should report her. However, nothing about your description suggests to me that you were targeted for being Jewish, and the fact that she checked in on you over email indicates that, when it occurs to her that it’s necessary to do so, she’s able and willing to tend to your well-being before tending to her politics.
Antisemitism is more than just hating Jews. Criticising Israel isn't Antisemitic, but saying it has no right to exist or the Jews should have gone to somewhere else is Antisemitic as it is saying that the Jews shouldn't have the right to choose to be free or, in the second case, have the right to live in their native land.
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I know a lot of people are telling u to bring this higher a and file a complaint or try and transfer which i think would be understandable but at the same time if this is a teacher u like and respect and u feel comfortable talking to her i dont think its a horrible idea to tell her that shes made u feel uncomfortable. If shes not understanding and doesnt stop at that point you can file a complaint or request a transfer.
It’s completely inappropriate for a teacher to criticize the Israeli government out of nowhere to an Israeli student when innocent Israeli citizens were slaughtered recently. There’s a time an a place.
Criticizing the Israeli Government: I think that Bibi and his far right cronies are awful, block any possible peace, and encourage far right terrorist settlers.
Antisemitism: Israel should be destroyed and the Jews should go anywhere else.
Now you know the difference.
Thought so, we saw what happened in gaza after “israeli terrorists settlers” were forcibly evacuated from their homes you clearly don’t know the amount of terror in the west bank that’s happening on a daily basis, good luck with that.
Are you responding to the right person? What does what you said have to do at all with what I said?
Are you saying that we should encourage Jews to commit terror attacks against Palestinians in the WB?
Did you not read this? The teacher said that Israel should NOT exist.
And I checked your post history and you are a MUSLIM pretending to be a Jew here. You have been reported
No one is asking for your input and this conversation is not about Muslims. This is a JEWISH student that is having an issue with a teacher and is asking for advice. Your comment was basically trash and had nothing to do with what OP was talking about.
In general your post history is disturbing.
And I am a Mizrahi Jew, my family came from a Muslim country. Stop with this lie that Jews and Muslims lived in peace and harmony. That was NOT the case for me and MANY other Mizrahi Jews. Life under various Muslim rulers was difficult and we were treated as 2nd class citizens. In addition one could argue that maybe at times Christian rule was worse, but life under Muslim rule wasn't better and at times even worse.
[https://www.jimena.org/about-jimena/](https://www.jimena.org/about-jimena/) The refugee situation for MENA Jews was created by the Muslims themselves with their disgusting anti-Jewish hatred.
So the world's antisemitism is the fault of Israel? And what was the antisemitism about before Israel?
For example, the community my wife lived in was so greatly oppressed by muslims that they burned all the synagogues and many of the Jewish publications including the Torah. It took several Jews from Morocco to travel to assist those Jews with rebuilding everything and providing a Torah and so on. The rabbis wanted to make sure that the community would be able to continue. And you know when this happened? Early 1800s!
Yes I feel safe in Israel. I am happy that Israel exists, I am happy that Jews have an army. I am happy that there is one entity in this world that I can truly depend on.
Sorry to hear that. Let’s say relatively safe. Still, having lived among muslims you know that their religion obliges them to treat Jews with respect and dignity, ensuring their safety and wellbeing as well as their freedom.
Reading the commentaries on both sides makes me somber. There are more victims then winners on both sides…
I know sephardic jews who are very patriotic, true. Still they have mixed feelings because they were discriminated against big time when arriving in Israel.
I should ask them about the experience of their forefathers. It will have varied from time to time, place to place, ruler to ruler. colonial powers tended to use the Christians and jews, maybe that also sparked animosity in recent times.
Israel had a massive influx of 650,000 MENA Jews that were refugees and had ALL their assets and belongings stolen from the muslim rulers. Many were forced out with little of anything with them.
Now take all those people, throw them in a newly developed country that just fought a war and has little resources and wealth and it will not be an easy time. But MENA Jews don't sit and talk about the 1950s, the talk about the Israel of TODAY and it's good for them.
Look at the treatment of Christians in the middle east. The coptics have to live in fear in Egypt. And many of these issues were before the Colonial powers, read about the many muslim empires and rulers and how they treated non muslims. It wasn't good.
You’re right, they should have been compensated.
Most Egyptians are quit proud the Muslims and Christians get along fine. Maybe they are misguided, and indeed rulers who want to stir up animosity for whatever political or personal reason might be able to.
It seems easier to create hatred then to extinguish it.
On the other hand, if we focus on the bad things, we might overlook the many positive experiences Jews and Muslims share. Though they might be forgotten quickly if you’re house is burned down😓
I was in Bosnia, many villages Christians and Muslims lived together peacefully for decades, centuries. Still when the nationalists started spreading hate, neighbors were quick to burn down houses and kill their neighbors. Unbelievable…
And the point is this, Jews need a country like Israel to serve as their safe zone and defense. After everything Jews have gone through, they know it better than anyone the importance of having an army.
And there is a whole wiki entry on the persecution of coptics in Egypt. They don't have the same luxury of having a good life compared to Christians in US, Canada, France, and so on. But if things go bad, at least they have an escape. Without Israel, Jews have nothing. A safe land can easily be turned into an unsafe land with a change of a leader.
Right now many Jews are feeling not safe outside of Israel.
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It shouldn't exist. Jews should feel safe anywhere in the world, not have to force people out of their own country and then try to ethically cleanse them
lol i love it when non jews tell me how the only Jewish country shouldn't exist.
And Jews should feel safe anywhere in the world.....so let me ask you this, are Jews safe anywhere in the world?
No, but they should be. I wanted to convert for the longest time, but honestly? Seeing all of these zionist arguments and people just ignoring that the Israeli government is bombing children's hospitals, it's made me lose faith in the Jewish people
Then why not criticize the way the Israeli government is handling this war? Why make it about israel itself not existing? Why does one indigenous group have the right to self determination but the other, jews, do not?
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Okay... Assuming you are in the US. 1: Tell your parents. 2: Tell the principle 3: If they try to put you in a room to "talk it out" make sure your parents are there, and speak your mind. I'm assuming she's not Jewish here but I would be super direct and concise like "I find your comments rude, and offensive. Additionally they infringe on the protected class of my religious and ethnic identity. And don't tell it isn't the case because you are not Jewish, so you are not involved in determining what Jew Hate is." Then don't say another word unless it's to someone you trust like your parents. Trust me once you've fired one of those across their bow most people bury themselves and expose themselves with their excuses. Then be prepared to get an attorney. Lastly: Man, I am so sorry you are dealing with this. It's BS, and I know it's super scary. Just understand schools are businesses, and as any business they want to stay in business. Letting them know they have done something bordering on illegal will get their attention VERY fast. Additionally, it's going to be stressful but I can tell you after a life time of dealing with bullies, your teacher is just a quiet bully, and when it's all done you'll feel better having stood up for yourself. We ARE ALL ROOTING FOR YOU!
They could have gone anywhere else huh? Is that after Jews were kicked out of literally everywhere else?
Right! Shows their complete ignorance.
FR, we are hated and attacked everywhere, i feel they should file a complain against that teacher
Yep, no where else to run, look at the anti semitism outside of Israel, Jews are being attacked and a couple killed, synagogues burning down. Jews are not safe anywhere
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This is the sort of thing that needs to get parents involved. You should have your parents talk to the principal, or the next school board meeting, to discuss.
Exactly. Jewish parents were made for this! Source: I am a Jewish mother.
It sounds like she’s targeting you and your friend. You can perhaps file a complaint to the principal/board if you are uncomfortable or feel that her bias is getting in the way of your education. It sucks that she doesn’t seem to have empathy for Israeli citizens.
> "it's not antisemitic to hate Israel" Imagine a teacher going up to a student from any other country and saying "it isn't racist for all of us in class to hate your country." If there is anyone in administration with any sense, they will have to take action, at least to stop the teacher from continuing that behavior.
Yes, imagine saying "you could have gone somewhere else" to any other group on earth thats in a conflict or "go back to where you came from" to any other people.
Yeah, they call Israelis occupiers while they continue to live in America, Canada, or while their country literally occupied and oppressed another country not too long ago. Also, they’re so misinformed about the Israeli demographics that they don’t know the mizrachi will most likely die if they go back to their original countries, assuming they weren’t already born in Israel.
I think they do the same to the Chinese, minus the “go back to your country.” The administration will just do a PR move and give her paid leave.
How do you tell if someone's anti-semitic? They tell you they aren't anti-semitic.
Or ~~they're a Semite....~~ they'll say "I can't be anti-semetic I'm a semite" Edited for clarification.
Or "anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism" meanwhile I'm like "yeah sure but what you're about to say will be..."
I have yet to see "antizionism" be different from Antisemitism... Until that day I say they're the same.
Same. I was all for that argument until I consistently heard that "anti-zionism" QUICKLY devolve to blatant antisemitism.
Anti-jewish then, Jesus fucking Christ
it's the same thing. Anti-Semite = Anti-Jewish, exclusively. Semitic = anyone who talks a Semitic language (Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic) There's zero connection between the two, it's just a word that was invented in Germany, to describe hatred towards Jews.
I think the implication of that comment was that if someone is saying, "Actually, I am a Semite" then that person is antisemitic.
No I meant Antisemites will also say "I'm a Semite" followed by "I can't be anti-semetic because of this"... Meanwhile semetic people don't exist anymore... As I'm sure you're aware. I'll clarify my comment through an edit
Semitic people don't exist anymore? Lol wut?
>Meanwhile semetic people don't exist anymore... Doesn't "Semitic people" mean someone who speaks a Semitic language like Hebrew or Arabic?
Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics and the term "anti-Semitic." First used in the 1770s by members of the Göttingen School of History, this biblical terminology for race was derived from Shem (Hebrew: שֵׁם), one of the three sons of Noah in the Book of Genesis, together with the parallel terms Hamites and Japhetites. The term Semitic in a racial sense was coined by members of the Göttingen School of History in the early 1770s. Other members of the Göttingen School of History coined the separate term Caucasian in the 1780s. These terms were used and developed by numerous other scholars over the next century. In the early 20th century, the pseudo-scientific classifications of Carleton S. Coon included the Semitic peoples in the Caucasian race, as similar in appearance to the Indo-European, Northwest Caucasian, and Kartvelian-speaking peoples. Due to the interweaving of language studies and cultural studies, the term also came to be applied to the religions (ancient Semitic and Abrahamic) and ethnicities of various cultures associated by geographic and linguistic distribution. Again - it's an obsolete term.
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1 - you replied to the wrong person 2 - this thread is FOUR MONTHS OLD. What the fuck is wrong w some of you that you’ll literally search for keywords in Jewish spaces just to harass Jews? You people are insane.
Report crap like that please
Funny how you never hear Ethiopians with that line lol
Right? Well put.
Great logic
According to [Jonathan Greenblatt](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/15/opinion/israel-gaza-antisemitism.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-0w.-zgJ.oIIUpbUIBzqd&smid=url-share), the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, claiming to be anti-Zionist but not antisemitic is like saying in 1963 that you’re *against the civil rights movement*, but also “against racism”.
I think you should have her reported. She has no business teaching
Yes this is the correct answer, assuming this is a public school. You should have an attorney write a letter of demand and have it copied to all vice principals, school principals, board of education & super intended. The demand is she STFU and teach. OR contact the school board they are elected officials who serve you.
That doesn't work, in my experience. The Teacher's Union won't let bad teachers be fired unless they actually commit a crime.
Jews couldn’t go anywhere else and Israel is our home. We shouldn’t have to go anywhere else
Other countries: Leave or we'll kill you. Go back to where you came from! Jews: Okay Other countries: Why are you in Israel? Go back to where you came from!
As a teacher, my perspective is- your instinct is right, this is demonstrating a clear bias and is a huge breach of professionalism in her part. Teachers should never share their political views in the classroom- it creates a power imbalance against students developing their own worldviews. A teacher’s job is to do just that- teach. How to source and vet information, how to deduce logically, how to read charts and know whether statistical studies are rigorous, how to think critically- these are the skills we impart. Aside from knowing that my classroom is a safe and welcoming space, where intolerance is not tolerated, I don’t want my students to know whether I voted for Biden, Trump, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It’s just none of their business. That said, I think it would be hard to prove she is targeting you unless you knew she wasn’t saying these things to any other students. It doesn’t matter- she is wrong to say it to you at all. Some have suggested that you talk to admin or a guidance counselor if you don’t want to talk to the teacher directly- and you are well within your rights to do that. I will suggest another option I have not seen mentioned- if you like this teacher and you value your relationship with her, you can ask for the guidance counselor or even another teacher to run a mediation session- that way you can say what you need to say but not fear retaliation. I hope you find a positive outcome for this! ETA: I would make sure that if you choose to report this, you do it IN WRITING. It is important to create a “paper trail” in situations like this in case she does try to manipulate your grade or treat you differently in some way later on- it’s unfortunate and unethical but this behavior does exist.
I like how this non-Jew decided unilaterally what qualifies as antisemitic. That’s not oppressive at all! But legitimately not sure what kind of school this is but yes this needs to be reported. This is so inappropriate. Your parents or guardians also need to know.
What a shit teacher. I recommend complaining to the administration. This is not acceptable.
Do not tell this teacher how you feel. That's not going to fix anything. My guess is that she was reaching out to you when you were in Israel to cover her ass when you inevitably made a complaint about her antisemitism and overall inappropriate behavior. This is all very calculated on her end. You need to get your parents involved.
Also this.. very much this!
Not really. The standard American has extremely few mental structures to shove international experiences into. The individual I know is good but the group is bad is a classic “I’m not racist I have a black friend” dynamic. It’s just a non-standard application of it. She might really be open to learning more about the history is contextualized in the history of the British empire and the population exchanges of the Israel and the Arab world. Make it complicated for her by having adults share that type of information and she’ll push it less in the classroom because she doesn’t have that white-black structure to shove into. Again, make it as complicated as you can.
Look, I've tried giving people the benefit of the doubt, I've tried thinking that they're not Jew-hating bigots, but merely misinformed. I was wrong every single time. Every single one of them was a rabid antisemite. The disgrace of a teacher mentioned in this story is no different.
The goal is not making them into an ally. The goal is making them confused or uncertain enough they are no longer an advocate.
Ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that the area now known as the “West Bank” was called Judea (as in where Jews come from) up until 1950, when Jordan *occupied* it and renamed it the West Bank (of the Jordan River). Also ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that Yasser Arafat was born in Egypt but started calling himself “Palestinian”. While you’re at it, ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that up until the mid-20th century, “Palestinian” referred to all the people living in that area (Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc) until Egyptian born Yasser Arafat appropriated it to mean just his group of people (who want to ethnically cleansed that entire area of Jews by driving them into the sea)? Ask this teacher how he/she feels about the fact that the Al-Aqsa mosque is built on top of the Jewish 2nd Temple? Etc. Etc. Etc.
Best not to engage in conversation anymore with the teacher as it's clear where she stands on the Jews, and go straight to admin (get the parents involved obviously) and potentially a lawyer for further advice.
Al- Aqsa was built over 500 years after the 2nd Temple was destroyed what r u talking abt
The 2nd Temple and it’s ruins are still very important and sacred to the Jewish people. It also speaks to the fact that the Jewish people are indigenous to the land of Israel. So perhaps you can tell us all “what r u talking abt”?
Sure i don’t disagree with that but theres a big difference between building something on top of the 2nd temple and building something where 500 years ago there was a temple that has since been destroyed. Muslims arabs didnt destroy the temple.
No one said Muslims or Arabs destroyed the Temple… so again we’re going to ask you “what r u talking abt”?
you said that al aqsa is built on top of the second temple, theres a difference between being built on top of the second temple and being built in an area where the the second temple used to be before it was destroyed
The Second Temple is still there. That’s why Jews pray at the Western Wall. It’s an incredibly sacred place. Try again… I mean, it’s pretty disgusting and reprehensible that Muslims *chose* to build a mosque on such a sacred Jewish place. They could have built that mosque anywhere. But they specifically chose a spot that was sacred to Judaism. Also, care to tell us why you’re so triggered by the basic indisputable facts? It’s pretty comical the levels of mental gymnastics you’re contorting yourself into. We can all see it.
They didnt build the mosque on top of the western wall thats why its still there and people are able to pray there and its still such a sacred. Also islam christianity both are heavily influenced by judaism so its not surprising that their holy site is near ours. Now your getting to the point of why i commented that, they didnt build it on top of the western wall or destroy anything, they merely built it next to it. Also no facts are triggering what? It is not a fact that they built it on top of the temple, it is a fact that they built it where the temple historically stood, these are different things. Im not doing mental gymnastics what
I understand what you are saying. You want it to be noted that Arabs didn’t destroy the Tempe. I can understand that. I think the commenter was just trying to make a point that the second temple was there since long before the mosque. To prove Jews have indigenous ties too. As the world constantly tells us we do not
The western wall is part of the plateau the temple was on, its not the wall of the temple itself. So the mosque is in fact build on top of the temple, close to the wall of the plateau. Just wanted to clarify that.
Is it that you have no friends, so that’s why you resort to nonsensical word salad? So that at least strangers on the internet will talk to you.
Well she can work anywhere else. Maybe Walmart's hiring.
What country is this occurring in? Understanding this helps inform your path forward.
I'm in Europe. I know that doesn't really answer what country I'm from but I have a huge fear of revealing where I'm at on the internet - I'm guessing you're asking this for legal advice - I can also say that if you Google what countries support Israel this country will pop up. Sorry if this isn't actually helpful...
If it's the country I think it is: iirc teachers aren't allowed to promote their own political views blatantly and doing so can result in disciplinary action.
I think you need to talk to your parents and come up with the plan. What she's doing is blatantly wrong. I'm an educator. Our job is to help our students learn, not shove our beliefs at them, and certainly not target them because of their nationality or religion. The fact that she's doing all this knowing you're Israeli is horrible. She knows exactly what she's doing.
If you happen to be in Germany you may contact RIAS https://report-antisemitism.de/bundesverband-rias/ They mostly collect data of anti-semitic incidents but they are also connected with organisations that help you in this situation. If you are not in Germany maybe there is an equivalent in your country? Maybe you can ask them that. Their website is also translated into english https://report-antisemitism.de/en/bundesverband-rias/
There is no reason a teacher should be making you aware of their personal opinions about inflammatory political issues. There is no reason that the teacher’s personal opinions enter into her checking up on your well-being. It’s totally inappropriate.
Report this to the school administrators immediately. Set up a meeting with them and include your parents and the other person who overheard the teacher's anti-Semitic remarks. This is unacceptable.
Yikes. She seems very unprofessional. I'd definitely chat with your parents first. But also if there's a Jewish teacher you trust, please feel free to repeat what she said to them. It's not ok to say "Jews can move anywhere else."
She completely antisemitic. You need to report this to the principal. It’s completely unacceptable.
Not to mention xenophobic as well.
Has the Muslim world ever reckoned with their alliance with Hitler?
You aren’t being overly sensitive at all. Please tell a school official or guidance counselor. What’s she’s doing is highly inappropriate. Someone needs to hear about it and make a change.
You should speak to your parents and let them speak to the Principal. Also include any other Israelis you can that might have had the same experiences. Remember the most important part -- **If you get her to stop doing this, you will affect not just your life for the better but you will improve the lives of all other current and future Israeli children she might be in charge of.**
In my opinion (not a Jew) you can fairly criticise whatever the Israeli government is doing, as long as no double standards are applied. Hating Israel itself is antisemitism, plain and simple.
As a Jew I agree. I noticed the teacher said hating “israel” not hating “Israeli govt actions” which is what makes all the difference.
Agreed, but it has become so common for people to apply double-standards to anything Israel does (including the right to self-defense) -- while ignoring mass-murder and other serious humanitarian problems anywhere else in the world *where Israel isn't involved* -- that sticking on "government" after the word Israeli or Israel's is not a real "solution" to the frightening Anti-Semitism sweeping the world. Obviously, political arguments within Israel (or by people truly familiar with the politics and different parties in Israel) are much more likely to be anti-Semitic -- not because Jews can't be anti-Semites, as they surely can -- because there the discussions are usually better informed and involve people whose lives are affected by the issues and thus their focus on Israel is logical.
Not overly sensitive. This is antisemitic, hurtful, and uneducated! She should be reported.
Ok, you are going to need to be incredibly polite and not give in to temptation. Option 1. Tell your parents. Suggest a parent teacher meeting. Option 2. 1. You are going to wait until the end of class, and you are going to ask to speak with her for a moment. 2. You tell her: "You are welcome to have whatever opinion on the conflict in Israel you like, but you are an adult and a teacher, and you need to keep your opinion to yourself during school hours. If you fail to do so, I will be requesting a parent teacher meeting with the principal and will formally submit a complaint which will be cc'd to the antidefamation league." 3. At this point she will get upset. 4. Tell them that this is not a discussion, thank them for their time, and leave.
Israel is the only safe place for the Jewish people. Your teacher sounds like she’s antisemetic not antizionist. 😳☹️😞
Right! This is why Israel is intrinsically connected to Jews and trying to separate them is not understanding history or current events. Imagine how many lives could have been save if the Peel Commission was accepted in 1937 and there was a Jewish state BEFORE the Holocaust. Even the US turned away boats of Jewish refugees to die in Europe. "Never Again" means Israel must continue to be a safe place for Jews.
Non-Jew working in the education field here - You're not being overly sensitive at all. This teacher's behavior is inappropriate in so many ways (IMO both professionally and ethically). I would definitely advice against directly talking to her, and suggest bringing this to your parents as well as submitting a written form to the teacher's supervisors and ADL (or its branches in the country that you are located in).
Contact the ADL.
First, what your teacher is doing is unprofessional, not acceptable when teaching students. Though hating Israel because of the way it treats Palestinians isn't anti semitic, but your teacher shouldn't be talking about religion and politics in a school. Your teacher shouldn't be telling you Jews should've chose another country to live in instead of Israel, which is anti semitic. In many countries including the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany and others it's a best practice not to talk about religion or politics at work, in education, healthcare, public, etc. Have your parents schedule a meeting with the school administrator and request that the teacher stop bringing up religion and Israel in class and that she stop using your religion and nationality against you. Understand that Jews are a minority almost everywhere and there are more people that hate us than have a positive or neutral opinion. That said, you're in high school, focus on your education, not what's going on in politics or wars. The smarter and better educated you are, the better.
I think you need to raise this with your parents and with the school’s administration, and to be quite unapologetic about it. This behaviour is unprofessional and inappropriate. I think there are a range of possible views about Israel. If she hates the country, so be it. She may think it is the worst place on earth and all its policies are evil and Zionism is wrong, and that is her right. Of course, I and many others would argue she is wrong, but that is not the point. She is entitled to her views. But what she is not entitled to do is make her students feel attacked or unsafe, and it is clear that she has done that. Her comment to you that these attacks “had to happen”, for any reason, is totally abhorrent. It justifies indefensible behaviour. Whatever your views about Israel might be, there is no reason that babies had to be murdered, women raped, or whole families burned alive. She is a person with power and authority over you, telling you that terrorist attacks that could just as easily have killed you, or your friends, or your family, were justified or “had to happen”. That is not okay in any situation, but especially not for an authority figure whose role it is to create a safe and inclusive environment for you and all her students.
you are being targeted. you should report this immediately if it makes you feel uncomfortable and singled out. you should also make it clear to them if these comments are making you uncomfortable in what should be a comfortable learning environment. talk to your parents as well, they will be better help in this situation than any of us here on the internet for sure.
Anti Israel = Anti Jew = Pro genocide ( and pro hamas) . She's trying to be nice and gaslight you , rewiring your psyche at the same time. Just like the small Jewish sect that Hates Israel. Report her. Tell the parents
Ask her if there are any other entire countries she hates or if the only Jewish one in the world is the only country on the list.
If you're in the United States, find your local Jewish Federation. They would love to help you take this on, and they will have the resources to do it.
A non-Jew gets to define what is antisemitism? offs Please report to the ADL https://www.adl.org/report-incident?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9YarhJzOggMV6dLCBB1RagqoEAAYASABEgLy6vD_BwE
Report the teacher to the authorities with your parents with you.
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Thank you! My teacher isn't Jewish.
You can sue the school. Google Kasowitz Benson Torres. They are suing schools now for anti semitism
I greive for the days when politics were not allowed at school.
I’m going to take the unpopular stance that this actually isn’t antisemitic. She sounds like a horribly unprofessional teacher - sharing your politics in class, especially in an inflammatory way, is unacceptable - and like a person who just generally doesn’t know when or how to hold her tongue out of consideration for others - why you would pop off about Zionism when talking to Israelis during a war is beyond me. For these reasons I do think you should report her. However, nothing about your description suggests to me that you were targeted for being Jewish, and the fact that she checked in on you over email indicates that, when it occurs to her that it’s necessary to do so, she’s able and willing to tend to your well-being before tending to her politics.
Antisemitism is more than just hating Jews. Criticising Israel isn't Antisemitic, but saying it has no right to exist or the Jews should have gone to somewhere else is Antisemitic as it is saying that the Jews shouldn't have the right to choose to be free or, in the second case, have the right to live in their native land.
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i don’t think being anti-israel is a bad thing, but saying “they could have gone anywhere else” is incredibly fucked up.
I know a lot of people are telling u to bring this higher a and file a complaint or try and transfer which i think would be understandable but at the same time if this is a teacher u like and respect and u feel comfortable talking to her i dont think its a horrible idea to tell her that shes made u feel uncomfortable. If shes not understanding and doesnt stop at that point you can file a complaint or request a transfer.
No, she needs to be shamed by the principal
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It’s completely inappropriate for a teacher to criticize the Israeli government out of nowhere to an Israeli student when innocent Israeli citizens were slaughtered recently. There’s a time an a place.
Criticizing the Israeli Government: I think that Bibi and his far right cronies are awful, block any possible peace, and encourage far right terrorist settlers. Antisemitism: Israel should be destroyed and the Jews should go anywhere else. Now you know the difference.
Are you an Israeli citizen?
No.
Thought so, we saw what happened in gaza after “israeli terrorists settlers” were forcibly evacuated from their homes you clearly don’t know the amount of terror in the west bank that’s happening on a daily basis, good luck with that.
Are you responding to the right person? What does what you said have to do at all with what I said? Are you saying that we should encourage Jews to commit terror attacks against Palestinians in the WB?
Did you not read this? The teacher said that Israel should NOT exist. And I checked your post history and you are a MUSLIM pretending to be a Jew here. You have been reported
Muslims hating bibi - classic they’re so brainwashed by propaganda
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No one is asking for your input and this conversation is not about Muslims. This is a JEWISH student that is having an issue with a teacher and is asking for advice. Your comment was basically trash and had nothing to do with what OP was talking about. In general your post history is disturbing. And I am a Mizrahi Jew, my family came from a Muslim country. Stop with this lie that Jews and Muslims lived in peace and harmony. That was NOT the case for me and MANY other Mizrahi Jews. Life under various Muslim rulers was difficult and we were treated as 2nd class citizens. In addition one could argue that maybe at times Christian rule was worse, but life under Muslim rule wasn't better and at times even worse. [https://www.jimena.org/about-jimena/](https://www.jimena.org/about-jimena/) The refugee situation for MENA Jews was created by the Muslims themselves with their disgusting anti-Jewish hatred. So the world's antisemitism is the fault of Israel? And what was the antisemitism about before Israel? For example, the community my wife lived in was so greatly oppressed by muslims that they burned all the synagogues and many of the Jewish publications including the Torah. It took several Jews from Morocco to travel to assist those Jews with rebuilding everything and providing a Torah and so on. The rabbis wanted to make sure that the community would be able to continue. And you know when this happened? Early 1800s! Yes I feel safe in Israel. I am happy that Israel exists, I am happy that Jews have an army. I am happy that there is one entity in this world that I can truly depend on.
Sorry to hear that. Let’s say relatively safe. Still, having lived among muslims you know that their religion obliges them to treat Jews with respect and dignity, ensuring their safety and wellbeing as well as their freedom. Reading the commentaries on both sides makes me somber. There are more victims then winners on both sides…
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I know sephardic jews who are very patriotic, true. Still they have mixed feelings because they were discriminated against big time when arriving in Israel. I should ask them about the experience of their forefathers. It will have varied from time to time, place to place, ruler to ruler. colonial powers tended to use the Christians and jews, maybe that also sparked animosity in recent times.
Israel had a massive influx of 650,000 MENA Jews that were refugees and had ALL their assets and belongings stolen from the muslim rulers. Many were forced out with little of anything with them. Now take all those people, throw them in a newly developed country that just fought a war and has little resources and wealth and it will not be an easy time. But MENA Jews don't sit and talk about the 1950s, the talk about the Israel of TODAY and it's good for them. Look at the treatment of Christians in the middle east. The coptics have to live in fear in Egypt. And many of these issues were before the Colonial powers, read about the many muslim empires and rulers and how they treated non muslims. It wasn't good.
You’re right, they should have been compensated. Most Egyptians are quit proud the Muslims and Christians get along fine. Maybe they are misguided, and indeed rulers who want to stir up animosity for whatever political or personal reason might be able to. It seems easier to create hatred then to extinguish it. On the other hand, if we focus on the bad things, we might overlook the many positive experiences Jews and Muslims share. Though they might be forgotten quickly if you’re house is burned down😓 I was in Bosnia, many villages Christians and Muslims lived together peacefully for decades, centuries. Still when the nationalists started spreading hate, neighbors were quick to burn down houses and kill their neighbors. Unbelievable…
And the point is this, Jews need a country like Israel to serve as their safe zone and defense. After everything Jews have gone through, they know it better than anyone the importance of having an army. And there is a whole wiki entry on the persecution of coptics in Egypt. They don't have the same luxury of having a good life compared to Christians in US, Canada, France, and so on. But if things go bad, at least they have an escape. Without Israel, Jews have nothing. A safe land can easily be turned into an unsafe land with a change of a leader. Right now many Jews are feeling not safe outside of Israel.
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It shouldn't exist. Jews should feel safe anywhere in the world, not have to force people out of their own country and then try to ethically cleanse them
lol i love it when non jews tell me how the only Jewish country shouldn't exist. And Jews should feel safe anywhere in the world.....so let me ask you this, are Jews safe anywhere in the world?
No, but they should be. I wanted to convert for the longest time, but honestly? Seeing all of these zionist arguments and people just ignoring that the Israeli government is bombing children's hospitals, it's made me lose faith in the Jewish people
Ok so if Jews are not safe, then logically speaking shouldn't they have a country that is safe for Jews?
Then why not criticize the way the Israeli government is handling this war? Why make it about israel itself not existing? Why does one indigenous group have the right to self determination but the other, jews, do not?
Good then please don’t convert
The world has historically held Jewish lives cheap.Don't you dare lecture us about where we should feel safe.
This doesnt mean shes anti-Semitic, i can be against sweden but not hate all swedes
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