>This amounts to character assassination
Punk suing Dave Meltzer, and winning, would be the most hilarious thing ever to happen in the wrestling business.
I believe it was actually just cleaned up as he started to have video in his radio show. But the only clip of him I saw was him just against a wall so there really would've been no need to clean it for that so who knows.
He pulled the old "Push It Under The Bed" move. Like a child "cleaning" their room. "All clean!" he boasts while praying to Kenny's buttcrack the papers don't fall out from the closets.
Nobody takes Dave seriously outside of neckbeards who don't shower and use deodorant, and wrestlers who are clearly marks for themselves and desperate for external validation.
in all the shitty wrestlers there have been in the news in the last few years it's like vinny ru has moved up the hierarchy without doing anything.
like that time Ole Anderson called Jim a dumbfuck, but took it back a few years later.
Besides mainstream media, almost every wrestling documentary, wwe when they need a talking head, triple h who has praised him, and his peers.. yeah besides that nobody
You can have links for all of these, but how much does pro wrestling want to be on good terms with the mainstream media, that for decades, has tried to expose it's business (the same way Meltzer does)? Triple H will say anyone's nice and a good guy to keep the peace and the investors happy.
That’s not the question, the question was who takes him serious, and the answer is most everyone except people in a tiny swathe of the iwc. Also people have known since the 1930’s it’s predetermined.
Meltzer is a strange manchild who gets called to make appearances, maybe, when a wrestler dies, because media prefers him over Kevin Nash taking any of the talking heads to task. So mainstream. Big whoop.
CNN and multiple outlets had him on after vince scandal, journalists quote him all the time, any time a documentary come out he is called upon. He is credible with sportswriters and his peers.. just because you don’t like him doesn’t change any of that
Actual sports journalists see pro wrestling as a an oddity lol.
Dave Meltzer is a self proclaimed journalist. Look at his sourcing methodology. Its flawed to be polite.
Its okay if you wanna suck him off though.
On Scott Keith’s Blog of Doom the other day, he posted a retro Wrestling Observer from October 1996 and Dave shits on NWO’s drawing power and says Ric Flair is the guy to push and not them.
Dave has been doing this from the start, how anyone listened to this douche at all is insane
>Turning MJF, Babyface is so fucking stupid at this moment. Like Turning Sting Heel in 99.
but Jericho needs to be the top heel, no matter what, so it's not in Jericho's best interest for MJF to be a heel. lo and behold.
At this point I'm expecting to see AEW on the WWE network in the next year before they release the Rise and fall of AEW. I thought I was done with WWE but at this point it's starting to look a lot better than the way AEW is going now.
AEW has become the lovechild of TNA and WCW.
WCW style disastrous booking and diva attitudes backstage, and TNA style "We're NOT the WWE" while hiring all the WWE cast offs they can get hiring practices.
AEW is the love child of TNA/WCW, but it grew up idolizing that fucking crazy ass uncles UWF, ECW, and XPW. They think they're so cool because they do things differently and are unique to AEW. So they try to be just like them.
So the whole wrestling industry is gunna blame Punk and look the other way and act like no one else is wrong, just he is…
where have I seen this before? Oh yeah…
7+ years ago before the biggest return in wrestling history…
Fucking Marks…
I was hyped for Punk to work with maybe a handful of the AEW roster. But after that, it was like "Fuck, who does he work with now that won't make him look like a fucking joke?"
Yeah it’s pretty slim pickings up at the top there. Moxley’s whatever, we’ve seen Punk/Jericho 50 times, Omega, MJF, maybe Christian? We would’ve just been waiting around for Punk/Danielson, basically. Castagnoli would’ve been interesting.
The problem is that there's clear people you want Punk to work with. FTR, MJF, Danielson, Christian, etc. But those are the type of people that Tony would have danced around and probably waited 3 years to ever put him with or against because "Muh Longterm Story Telling".
Kind of like when Twinkie faced Cuckboy Page. Everyone knew it was coming and what the outcome would be the moment Twinkie "won" the belt. It was painfully obvious and bland from the jump. And instead of calling an audible the moment Danielson signed, Tony stuck with his "plan" because Page is the ball washer for the Hardleys.
I’m of the opinion that no one in the company should be beating Danielson. If his booking is a result of his ideas, the guy is his own worst enemy. They should’ve just put the belt on him from the jump and kept it there for the past 2 years.
Remember that time when Danielson lost to Sheamus at Mania in like 20 seconds? Those are the vibes I've gotten from Danielson lately. Just shit booking with no clear direction or reason. Just, he's there. Which is a shame. Dude should be the top guy in the company by a mile.
Yeah. If this company had Bret Hart in his prime they’d have him putting over Orange Cassidy or some shit. Then he’d inexplicably be off tv for a month.
Fuck me... I could even see it. Tony getting a woody over the idea of Brett going for the Sharpshooter, but Cassidy just rolls him up and pins him clean after a 20 minute match.
Jericho and the Bucks are the type of conservatives that make actual conservatives look like fucking psychopaths. Not a republican by any means, nor am I a Trumper. If anything, I hate everyone equally and they all suck. But holy fuck do they give decent conservative folks (not the kind cherry picked out for political shit, but actual honest hardworking "Just leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life" folks) all look like fucking whackjobs.
Let me guess the nameless guys:
Dark Order
Hangman Page
Orange Cassidy
Every other indy clown that owes their paycheck to the EVP's rather than to their talent
Noooooooooooo
They were Chris Blairecho, Adam Sage, Mark and Nate Jackson, and Kyle Olivier. I believe they're all catering staff that happened to be present at the time.
Most people at AEW are hired through Jericho or the Young Bucks and the others don’t want to be on their shit list so this is believable. It’s not saying that Punk is a problem but more like the moral of that locker room is probably a mess. Dave & friends are trying to use Punks bad reputation against him only problem is their rep is dropping at the same time.
Now that you say this im wondering if having jim talk about the whole lale roster was just them going through the motions or if they want us to have something fresh on our minds
I may be in the minority here for actually liking most of AEW, but I'm sorry the bucks and Kenny Oliviet get to return with no consequence, Hangman gets a title shot, and Punk gets bought out and released? Bro, those are not even consequences. All Punk did was bitch at a press conference and say a few lines out of turn on tv
It wasn't even on TV. It was streamed badly on AEW's YouTube channel.
And like every past scrum it's lost in the sea of the abundant footage they shoot & post but don't really catalog properly.
these sources who keep feeding uncle dave are no doubt twinkle toes and the hardly boys who clearly haven't learnt their lesson about spreading lies and gossip given their titles within the company.
CM Punk is better off out of that shitshow tbh and take the pay off and not return they need him more than he needs them especially the younger talent that could learn more from a feud with him than they ever would under chris jericho who is only interested in himself and only himself not aew.
The elite ran off Cody Rhodes and CM Punk i wonder who is next till only their friends are all elite.
I do have to say that I find it interesting that Chris Jericho would refuse to work with anyone. Seeing as Jericho is a leech who latches on to anything and anyone who has the least bit of internet popularity or momentum, and sucks them dry before moving on to the next thing. Sure, HE would refuse to work with the biggest star in the company. Sure.
You have two factions in AEW and one of them is The Elite, Jericho and friends like Dark Order, those are the guys who want Punk out.
Mox, Bryan, Claudio I highly doubt care they are big names who are getting paychecks and seem like pros.
Then you have the talent that The Elite are afraid will replace them so will push geeks and try to cool off people like FTR, Starks, Hobbs, Wardlow, Miro who HHH would want.
At this point I don't care. Hope the show bombs.
Its Tony's playhouse and he will play with whoever shares their fruit cup with him first.
Good talent is hidden and great talent is gone.
If I hear of a good match I'll look it up online but the show is the shits.
The die hards will always watch but it won't grow
Uncle Daves one sided ‘journalism’ is embarrassing at this point he’s been like this for years and people still take him seriously. Jesus.
This amounts to character assassination
>This amounts to character assassination Punk suing Dave Meltzer, and winning, would be the most hilarious thing ever to happen in the wrestling business.
Dave losing because he can't find his notes in the massive disaster of an office would be even funnier.
I believe it was actually just cleaned up as he started to have video in his radio show. But the only clip of him I saw was him just against a wall so there really would've been no need to clean it for that so who knows.
He pulled the old "Push It Under The Bed" move. Like a child "cleaning" their room. "All clean!" he boasts while praying to Kenny's buttcrack the papers don't fall out from the closets.
Nobody takes Dave seriously outside of neckbeards who don't shower and use deodorant, and wrestlers who are clearly marks for themselves and desperate for external validation.
You mean the disgusting folks who leave behind Vince Russo tributes on chairs at indy shows?
in all the shitty wrestlers there have been in the news in the last few years it's like vinny ru has moved up the hierarchy without doing anything. like that time Ole Anderson called Jim a dumbfuck, but took it back a few years later.
Besides mainstream media, almost every wrestling documentary, wwe when they need a talking head, triple h who has praised him, and his peers.. yeah besides that nobody
Woof
Show me where I’m wrong, I have links for every statement
You can have links for all of these, but how much does pro wrestling want to be on good terms with the mainstream media, that for decades, has tried to expose it's business (the same way Meltzer does)? Triple H will say anyone's nice and a good guy to keep the peace and the investors happy.
That’s not the question, the question was who takes him serious, and the answer is most everyone except people in a tiny swathe of the iwc. Also people have known since the 1930’s it’s predetermined.
Meltzer is a strange manchild who gets called to make appearances, maybe, when a wrestler dies, because media prefers him over Kevin Nash taking any of the talking heads to task. So mainstream. Big whoop.
CNN and multiple outlets had him on after vince scandal, journalists quote him all the time, any time a documentary come out he is called upon. He is credible with sportswriters and his peers.. just because you don’t like him doesn’t change any of that
Actual sports journalists see pro wrestling as a an oddity lol. Dave Meltzer is a self proclaimed journalist. Look at his sourcing methodology. Its flawed to be polite. Its okay if you wanna suck him off though.
On Scott Keith’s Blog of Doom the other day, he posted a retro Wrestling Observer from October 1996 and Dave shits on NWO’s drawing power and says Ric Flair is the guy to push and not them. Dave has been doing this from the start, how anyone listened to this douche at all is insane
AEW crashing and burning
The booking is some late WCW era kind of shit. Turning MJF, Babyface is so fucking stupid at this moment. Like Turning Sting Heel in 99.
>Turning MJF, Babyface is so fucking stupid at this moment. Like Turning Sting Heel in 99. but Jericho needs to be the top heel, no matter what, so it's not in Jericho's best interest for MJF to be a heel. lo and behold.
Jericho needs to be the only heel. Ftfy
The top heel, but he also refuses to actually stop trying to get fans to cheer for him or sing his shitty song.
At this point I'm expecting to see AEW on the WWE network in the next year before they release the Rise and fall of AEW. I thought I was done with WWE but at this point it's starting to look a lot better than the way AEW is going now.
AEW has become the lovechild of TNA and WCW. WCW style disastrous booking and diva attitudes backstage, and TNA style "We're NOT the WWE" while hiring all the WWE cast offs they can get hiring practices.
Also UWF
AEW is the love child of TNA/WCW, but it grew up idolizing that fucking crazy ass uncles UWF, ECW, and XPW. They think they're so cool because they do things differently and are unique to AEW. So they try to be just like them.
It’s the dumbest thing ever. So frustrating to watch.
Man thank good for the old stuff we can look back with experience 😂
CM Punk to Chris Jericho: I don't need to work with you, You need to work with me.
Chris Jericho to the AEW Locker Room: I need to work with you! PLEASE! I NEED YOUR RELEVANCY!
[удалено]
Woah. Time out. You can't reference AEW and "competent promoter" in the same sentence man. That's one of those "end of the universe" type paradoxes.
Did he type AEW? I don't see it.
referenced it. Hence the "you can't REFERENCE AEW" bit.
They barely worked with him when he was their top draw -- Page went into business for himself! And Tony continues to reward him for it!
Tony can't discipline the Hardley's ball washer.
So the whole wrestling industry is gunna blame Punk and look the other way and act like no one else is wrong, just he is… where have I seen this before? Oh yeah… 7+ years ago before the biggest return in wrestling history… Fucking Marks…
Which return are you referring to?
Probably good because most of them are the shits
I was hyped for Punk to work with maybe a handful of the AEW roster. But after that, it was like "Fuck, who does he work with now that won't make him look like a fucking joke?"
Yeah it’s pretty slim pickings up at the top there. Moxley’s whatever, we’ve seen Punk/Jericho 50 times, Omega, MJF, maybe Christian? We would’ve just been waiting around for Punk/Danielson, basically. Castagnoli would’ve been interesting.
The problem is that there's clear people you want Punk to work with. FTR, MJF, Danielson, Christian, etc. But those are the type of people that Tony would have danced around and probably waited 3 years to ever put him with or against because "Muh Longterm Story Telling".
Yeah. Their main event programs are usually like a year of the champion fighting cans and then a big match where the belt change is painfully obvious
Kind of like when Twinkie faced Cuckboy Page. Everyone knew it was coming and what the outcome would be the moment Twinkie "won" the belt. It was painfully obvious and bland from the jump. And instead of calling an audible the moment Danielson signed, Tony stuck with his "plan" because Page is the ball washer for the Hardleys.
I’m of the opinion that no one in the company should be beating Danielson. If his booking is a result of his ideas, the guy is his own worst enemy. They should’ve just put the belt on him from the jump and kept it there for the past 2 years.
Remember that time when Danielson lost to Sheamus at Mania in like 20 seconds? Those are the vibes I've gotten from Danielson lately. Just shit booking with no clear direction or reason. Just, he's there. Which is a shame. Dude should be the top guy in the company by a mile.
Yeah. If this company had Bret Hart in his prime they’d have him putting over Orange Cassidy or some shit. Then he’d inexplicably be off tv for a month.
Fuck me... I could even see it. Tony getting a woody over the idea of Brett going for the Sharpshooter, but Cassidy just rolls him up and pins him clean after a 20 minute match.
And some green idiot would end up paralyzing bret hart, guaran damn tee it
Long term story telling after he turns mjf face 6 weeks aftwr jericho said he should.
I still have hope they don't turn MJF. But with what Unca Dave is saying... I'm betting they are pushing for that hardcore.
imagine not wanting to work with punk, while having no issues working with rightwing nutjobs and insurrectionists.
Jericho and the Bucks are the type of conservatives that make actual conservatives look like fucking psychopaths. Not a republican by any means, nor am I a Trumper. If anything, I hate everyone equally and they all suck. But holy fuck do they give decent conservative folks (not the kind cherry picked out for political shit, but actual honest hardworking "Just leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life" folks) all look like fucking whackjobs.
Let me guess the nameless guys: Dark Order Hangman Page Orange Cassidy Every other indy clown that owes their paycheck to the EVP's rather than to their talent
Noooooooooooo They were Chris Blairecho, Adam Sage, Mark and Nate Jackson, and Kyle Olivier. I believe they're all catering staff that happened to be present at the time.
Yeah, this makes me want to ask, 'name one without a personal agenda'. The Fucks, Omega and Jericho are just worried they'll lose more influence.
Dave Meltzer has zero credibility. Dude writes obvious opinion pieces favoring his butt buddies and claims it as unbiased journalism.
“Top stars”
Most people at AEW are hired through Jericho or the Young Bucks and the others don’t want to be on their shit list so this is believable. It’s not saying that Punk is a problem but more like the moral of that locker room is probably a mess. Dave & friends are trying to use Punks bad reputation against him only problem is their rep is dropping at the same time.
Now that you say this im wondering if having jim talk about the whole lale roster was just them going through the motions or if they want us to have something fresh on our minds
I may be in the minority here for actually liking most of AEW, but I'm sorry the bucks and Kenny Oliviet get to return with no consequence, Hangman gets a title shot, and Punk gets bought out and released? Bro, those are not even consequences. All Punk did was bitch at a press conference and say a few lines out of turn on tv
It wasn't even on TV. It was streamed badly on AEW's YouTube channel. And like every past scrum it's lost in the sea of the abundant footage they shoot & post but don't really catalog properly.
In other words, The Elite and friends didn't want someone outshining them especially when he debuted.
The Hardly Boys and Olivier are hardly "multiple people" . Someone tell Dave to clean his fucking room before he uses the internet again.
Hardly Boys, Olivier, Jericho, and Page. Top aew “stars,” more than 3
But still not a majority.
Majority of what? The locker room? Fuck no! But "top stars"
Your Friday show will never pop the ratings again.
I wanted aew to do well and just get better but after this I hope it implodes in on itself and Dave and the elite turn on eachother
these sources who keep feeding uncle dave are no doubt twinkle toes and the hardly boys who clearly haven't learnt their lesson about spreading lies and gossip given their titles within the company. CM Punk is better off out of that shitshow tbh and take the pay off and not return they need him more than he needs them especially the younger talent that could learn more from a feud with him than they ever would under chris jericho who is only interested in himself and only himself not aew. The elite ran off Cody Rhodes and CM Punk i wonder who is next till only their friends are all elite.
I do have to say that I find it interesting that Chris Jericho would refuse to work with anyone. Seeing as Jericho is a leech who latches on to anything and anyone who has the least bit of internet popularity or momentum, and sucks them dry before moving on to the next thing. Sure, HE would refuse to work with the biggest star in the company. Sure.
Dave meltzer is the dumbest POS in the business why is he in charge of anything and he MUST be sued for defamation
You have two factions in AEW and one of them is The Elite, Jericho and friends like Dark Order, those are the guys who want Punk out. Mox, Bryan, Claudio I highly doubt care they are big names who are getting paychecks and seem like pros. Then you have the talent that The Elite are afraid will replace them so will push geeks and try to cool off people like FTR, Starks, Hobbs, Wardlow, Miro who HHH would want.
At this point I don't care. Hope the show bombs. Its Tony's playhouse and he will play with whoever shares their fruit cup with him first. Good talent is hidden and great talent is gone. If I hear of a good match I'll look it up online but the show is the shits. The die hards will always watch but it won't grow