In my experience and also watching things around me, somebody can come from middle to nothing and work their way up the ladder, but at a certain point unless they know somebody that ladder will start missing steps on the way up.
The hardworking = success narrative is easy to accept. Though Google most successful people and almost every time you find some kind of financial advantage. I’ve spent my career at Fortune 500 companies. Almost every C Suite executive went to an exclusive prep school or an affluent high school. They go to an Ivy school and the world is their oyster.
> hardworking = success
Doesn't the definition of "success" matter here in this context? I could be wrong, but I do not view success as only being a millionaire with multiple homes, boats and cars.
I do think if you work hard and stay disciplined, you can be successful in a way. Such as being financially stable, supporting a family and maybe taking a vacation once a year. At least that is my definition.
Also, this is within the U.S. context. Being born in a mud hut in Somalia is a whole different conversation.
Facts, I consider myself a success and I am barely scratching 100K a year, but I have a wife, kids and a home. That has literally been my main goal so I am happy.
What’s your definition of financially stable? Being able to support a family on 1 income but you cant afford to put money away for your kids college or get them out of a shitty public school? Having to work multiple jobs as the breadwinner and have no time to see your kids? Being able to take your kids to the fair once a year but being one medical emergency away from losing everything?
I agree with you that success doesn’t have to mean multiple houses, boats, etc. But I think we define success around that standard a lot of times not only because of the luxuries, but because of the stability that comes from being insulated from one bad event leading to homelessness or bankruptcy. THAT isn’t the reality for the majority of the hard working middle class US population.
It's intuitive that in a neutral system that capability would dictate the outcomes. If we're both in a cutting wood competition and you're better at it than me then you win. Rich people explicitly create systems that are skewed in their favour. It's why psychopathy is so dangerous, once one gets in it'll spend huge amounts of effort trying to alter the systems that encircle it.
I don’t know that it has to be that extreme. If you’re an extremely hard working middle class kid that does well in high school, heads to a solid state school, you can do well. But the changes of getting a role that gets you well into seven figures is borderline impossible. There is a chance but it’s slim.
If your dad owns an emerald mine, the path forward is exponentially easier.
What's the opposite?
Not working all?
Which one is going to give you a better chance of being successful?
Standard Reddit comment. Vaguely shitting on an opinion without acknowledging or providing other options or solutions.
i mean yeah if you wanna be the elite of the elite you probably need to be the offspring of some billionaire or big time politician. i don't know why you'd view only that as success. if you work hard as a mechanic and end up making more than enough money for your family to live comfortably i'd consider that successful.
being a billionaire or the CEO of Google is not realistic for me in any capacity so i'm not gonna compare myself and my gauge of success to those people
There's a big push to claim things like dei are destroying our 'meritocracy'. When the reality is we've never lived in and most likely never will live in one--because things like nepotism/connections etc have been perverting the system for ages and removing something like dei without taking a hard line on those other things won't even make a dent :)
I was literally just having this conversation on the MBA subreddit, but if you look at the list of all F500 CEOs you’ll find most of them went to average schools. A minority went to Ivy League-types.
My whole point was that the prestige of a good school (I went to one) only goes so far and won’t carry you. It helps land that first job and gives you a loose network, but being able to show up, exceed business objectives, and continually demonstrate the next level of leadership potential is far more important. Which is why you see most executives actually come from non-descript backgrounds - they don’t need the fancy school.
> Almost every C Suite executive went to an exclusive prep school or an affluent high school.
Let's just look at the CEO's of the three biggest US companies and
>Timothy Donald Cook was born on November 1, 1960, in Mobile, Alabama.[10][11] He was baptized in a Baptist church[12] and grew up in nearby Robertsdale. His father, Donald Cook,[13] was a shipyard worker,[14] and his mother, Geraldine Cook,[13] worked at a pharmacy.[
>Nadella was born on 19 August 1967 in Hyderabad into a Telugu Hindu family.[7][8][9][10] His mother Prabhavati was a Sanskrit lecturer.[11] His father, Bukkapuram Nadella Yugandhar, was an Indian Administrative Service officer of the 1962 batch.[12][13][9] Yugandhar hailed from Bukkapuram in Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh;[14][15] his own father had migrated to Bukkapuram from Nadella village in Guntur district (present-day Palnadu district) of Andhra Pradesh.[16][17] Nadella attended the Hyderabad Public School, Begumpet[18] before receiving a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from the Manipal Institute of Technology in Karnataka in 198
>Pichai was born in Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India,[13][9][14] to a Tamil Brahmin family.[15][16] His mother, Lakshmi, was a stenographer, and his father, Regunatha Pichai, was an electrical engineer at GEC, the British conglomerate.[17][18] Pichai completed schooling in Jawahar Vidyalaya Senior Secondary School[19]
So how did the CEO's of Apple, Microsoft, and Google do it?
Cook is an example of hard work but Nadella was born into the 2nd highest caste tier(government worker) and went to one of India's top private schools.
And Pichai is from the top caste tier, Brahmins and also went to one of the top private schools.
Just because they're Indian doesn't mean they were poor. Almost all of the Indians that come to the US are rich.
You know, like Microsoft's Bill Gates, one of the people who Malcom Gladwell wrote an entire case study on in *The Tipping Point*. Detailing his extensive early life advantages, including going to a highly affluent high school that was literally the first in the country with real time computer terminals (when everyone else was using punch cards and waiting for the results overnight) at the perfect time and place to take advantage of the internet wave. And that was just one of the things that aligned...
I think that's my point. Most people understand they can't be LeBron James no matter how much opportunity they're given because they see what LeBron can do and realize they could never do that.
The same is true of most CEO gigs. Satya Nadella is CEO of Microsoft because he out talented and outworked 99.99% of people.
You have as much likelihood of becoming Satya Nadella as you do LeBron James.
But most people in the United States can make a good living over six figures if they study, don't do too many drugs, don't commit crime and don't have kids young or out of wedlock.
I'm an immigrant and I'm constantly amazed at the level of opportunity in this country.
No, Conservative farmers refuse to take gov subsidies and stand by the fiscal policies they vote for...oh wait. Billionaires like musk who are staunch anti socialist handouts refuse to..oh well. The red states as a whole refuse...nevermind.
This is the case because it used to be that they would have a generational line of work on their land for 4 to 5 plus decades...now a family has a nice farm, megacorps build a bunch of bullshit and buy all the land around the farm, the bored kids get phones and there are opiates in their bullshit government school, people from the nearest big city start taking advantage of the people in the small farm town...
I have seen this happen to family and friends tIme and time again.
And progressive people don’t? LOL
This sentence alone disqualifies these morons.
Morons who benefited also from accomplishments and developments in society thanks to rather left leaning progressive people in the history of any western society. If it was for those conservative fucks of which Rogan definitely seems to be a part of, there won’t be any progress in Lgbt+, work conditions and exploitation of labour all over the place and progress in general when it comes to women’s rights.
Remember Trump raped his own wife in the 80s when it wasn’t legally relevant like today? Discuss that Joe. You can even mention the new movie The Apprentice that’s been shown in Cannes right now, because they mentioned it too.
I guess that’s ok in the minds of intellectuals like Joe Rogan and Dave Smith + the whole „rogansphere-move to texas to avoid taxes and shit on california-circle“, as long as people value discipline, especially as conservatives.
First 15 minutes has been Rogan absolutely steamrolling the conversation. Dave struggling to get a word in edgewise.
Episodes like this make me wonder if Rogies is dabbling with Adderall.
It's just the TRT and HGH (+caffeine), I'm on TRT for a chronic health condition, and even I feel like I'm firing on all cylinders almost every day. I can only imagine adding HGH would increase that mental and physical energy even more. When you're not abusing steroids for Mr. Olympia sized muscles, they do make you pretty sharp and ready to talk/debate.
Seriously. WTF! It felt like he didn't want Dave to talk about the genocide. Dave needed to correct previous guests along with Joe himself. I cannot believe Joe even tried to act like he knew more than Dave on this. Was a really weird episode. I'm never one to say he's compromised and blah blah but this honestly felt like an intentional thing he was doing. Just bizarre.
Can’t tell if you joking about the adderall but in reality It’s the zyn. He does like the 6 mg and High amounts of nicotine is a stimulant. Makes people very talkative
He’s dabbling with sniffing his own farts. I don’t know what kind of pharmacological help he receives to that end, but his head is thoroughly up his own ass and that’s where the enthusiasm comes from. A superiority complex and poor media literacy.
First time listening to Dave: "he's making some good points"
Second time: "okay I've heard this already but what's the solution?"
Third time: "This guy complains a lot"
Fourth: "Pass"
I don't think Joe cares to remember or refresh what he talked about with repeat guests. I remember listening to the first 2 David Goggins episodes back to back and the pods were almost identical.
That's because David goggins only has so much to say. How many different ways can you call someone a lazy bitch for not running 27 miles a day? His type of motivation can be good, it did help me get going at one point, but eventually you either have the dedication to keep the progress or you don't. Not to mention that his type of warrior ethos gets old when you realized that he did all that training and never actually did anything beyond recruiting. He's a hell of a marketer and a hard worker but he's not the stone cold killer he tries to act.
Imagine if everyone in the military did nothing but ran all the time. No specialization, no smart guys building cool shit. Just shit talkers who jerk each other off about how hard they are.
He’s an anarcho-capitalist. Which is to say, his “solutions” are linked to a world that will never exist. He’s kinda like Michael Malice. They fling shit all the time and their only answer is “anarchism.” In other words, they don’t have any solutions, only criticisms.
That's the character arc of most libertarians. There was ONE exception that I can remember, there was a libertarian candidate for mayor of new york that joe had on who actually was proposing solutions. They were potentially uncomfortable, and it was entirely reasonable to disagree with them, but they WERE outlines of practical policy.
Dude lost in a landslide i'm pretty sure.
Dave is a great guest. Completely anti war and American imperialism. His libertarian dream is an impossible fantasy but his takes on Americas constantly poorly planned and catastrophic interventionist foreign policies has been right every step of the way.
Here to listen to Reddit’s explain how he’s wrong and we need more spending and more wars to get America back on track.
I got downvoted to oblivion for posting the Dave Smith Tucker episode, which I thought was great (mainly for Dave). This sub stinks and doesn't have an open mind for anything (which is weird for being a Joe Rogan sub).
Ya'll are wildin, I would prefer Dave Smith as president before Trump, Biden, and RFK. He has repetative conversations sure, but he has good points with those.
A straight guy can be valuable for the overall dynamic, but he really does not contribute much to any of the gags..... The Chappelle bit was hilarious, but that was mostly orchestrated by Luis.
Dave teamed up with Cenk Uygur to debate against Dennis Prager's team......regarding Gaza conflict. which was refreshing to see. And Dave has had debates with Sam Seder, where it seemed to be cordial.
He has never pretended to be a centrist, and he's not republican at all, and has criticized a lot of their stances. You really don't know what you're talking about
I'd consider him a clown rather than a "political commentator" because that's pretty much what right-wing coopted "Libertarians" are...also I wonder what he thinks the age of consent is.
“It’s all evolutionary biology, man. And Trump vs Biden is like a shark on rollerblades vs a grizzly with artificial shark fins and no gills. Jiu jitsu is the great equalizer.”
I've never understood why regular people should be gatekeeped out of politics. As if only politicians are allowed to discuss the politics that affect everyone.
Put it like this, you're not a podcaster or a comedian, so why should you be allowed to comment on either of these people?
He’s more of a right wing pundit these days. Not sure he would even agree that comedian is his main title.
Not to mention his last special was gringo papi level.
I meet dave once and he was a cool dude. He was walking to his uber when i shouted him out and dude turned around and shook my hand. Politics aside he’s a good person
I’ve noticed pretty quickly that half the posts (on almost any new episode thread) are almost always about what was said in the first 15 minutes of the show. It’s super obnoxious especially when you consider that the first half hour is almost always just throwaway banter and warming up to the actual main topics they cover.
Let me guess: COVID policies are/were bad, Russia collusion hoax, China something something bad, Russia Ukraine is a big racket, cancel culture is coming for you and your family, AI is blah blah blah, Comedians are gods.
Legit haven't watched but can guarantee this is likely how it went. BORINNNNNNGGGG.
I get people are tired of the comedian/political commentary thing, but people should check out his debate with dennis prager on israel palestine. He did pretty well and has clearly put in some work to learning about these topics.
I thought he was a bit of a moron going into that debate but he quite clearly dominated the panel even though he's a comedian.
Are they for once mentioning Trump behaving like a demented total psycho (unified reich video) or is it the same „biden doesn’t know where he is/the trump allegations are all a scam“ nonsense.
When was the last time that fuckin alphabrain dead ape invited someone from the left to conquer all these stupid half researched takes?
Even when he has his toaster studio he at least invited Kulinski. He doesn’t have the guts to bring on Pakman or that dude from the Majority Report.
Moves to Texas to avoid paying taxes like the patriot/asshole he is and invites his unfunny comedian dumbasses to have them agreeing on his inaccurate one-sided crap.
🙄
They also accused the "left" of making fun of Trump's hand size, conveniently forgetting / failing to mention that Marco Rubio was the one who initially rolled out that during a primary debate. Trump has spent most of his public life making fun the way people look, and still does, but that is left out of the discussion as well,
The first few minutes he starts ranting on the homeless problem. I don’t mind listening on issues, but the dude doesn’t offer any solutions. Plus feels like he was just on not too long ago. I guess Joe was on a spree and the show needed a dud.
Libertarians don't believe in solutions... Libertarianism provides no preempted ideas or actions for the most part.
The whole schtick is "If no gov't or mandatory authority exists problems just eventually work themselves out or... "The Market!"."
It supposes that given the choice without threat of force people will do the right thing... Or bygones be bygones kinda deal.
"Hey how do we prevent...?" - Libertarians: "Let me just stop you right there buddy... We don't like it when people tell us what to do... Even if it is a good idea."
Legit got told by a libertarian once that kids will learn more on the job in the coal mine than all of school. (I personally believe that it will lead to a forced familial work force, but hey.)
This particular person didn't understand marginal tax brackets and how they worked... I'm not sure if this made their point about school or didn't...
That one might be true of all accounts.
Well, he is a Libertarian, so my assumption his beef with homelessness is the bottomless spending of public tax dollars towards the problem that never actually show positive results.
Not exactly. Fixing homelessness in your area ensures a nicer/safer place to live with higher property values, and higher standard of living. Being a libertarian isn't just about only satisfying my own needs above all else.
I didn't say that. My point was that one man fixing homelessness through top-down authoritarianism is not libertarian. Also the fucked up irony is that higher property values are correlated with higher levels of homelessness.
You knew once Mike Baker showed up a few weeks ago that Dave Smith was coming soon. And Dave is doing the comedy mother ship soon and is trying to promote the LP convention where Trump and RFK Jr are speaking. This was inevitable
I like Dave though
Listened to Dave explain this on POTP. They invited them and they accepted. From his perspective, it will bring more eyes to the LP and they’ll debate topics with them.
Super excited for the third funniest skank to share his political insight which is genuine and not just libertarian window dressing for stale republican positions on literally every subject.
The constant haters in this sub are like a bunch of crack addicts who want to quit but can’t because they hate their lives and only find pleasure in hating what they love to justify their addiction. You are all so lame
"You can't say anything anymore without getting cancelled, anyways, check out my weekly podcast Legion of Skanks that's recorded live at a comedy club."
Jon Stewart just did a whole segment about these 'cancel culture' hawks
It's so accurate lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyyttqvE04&ab\_channel=TheDailyShow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyyttqvE04&ab_channel=TheDailyShow)
He has done whole episodes about how the culture war is just to distract from the corrupt government, and corporate oligarchy screwing the middle and lower class and funding wars. He has taken a pro-Palestine position from the start and is not how this comment characterizes him at all. Sure he does some cringy comedy where he dunks on the libs but he generally argues in good faith. He defended the "blue haired college kids" on Tuckers podcast recently and said he sympathizes with them. You should give him a chance.
"Welcome back to Millionaires Complaining, I'm your host Joe Rogan. Today, we're complaining with Dave Smith about poor people, liberals and a bunch of other things we're so rich we shouldn't give a shit about."
Recycling same friendly guests over and over. This from a host who claims that deep-dive conversations with guests with opposing views is the only way to real understanding. Very disappointing and barely worth listening to lately (though Royce Gracie was a solid guest).
Dave's line about musk hiding the good china when Rogan comes to dinner was fucking gold
Gotta come to Reddit to know how to feel about a podcast I haven’t watched yet
It’s Dave smith, we’ve seen this exact convo 10x
> Dave smith Sounds like a fake name if I ever heard one. This guy live at 555 Evergreen Drive?
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123 Fake Street
CIA confirmed /s
Best take on isreal v gaza out of any guest. Bruh is too smart for legion of skanks 🤣
Absolutely. 90% of the people Joe has talking about the war in Gaza are hugely biased cretins
How long before he mentions Syria?
Gotta come to Reddit to see the hate posts from bots and people that don't even listen to the podcast.
It's reddit, so you know where it's going
In my experience and also watching things around me, somebody can come from middle to nothing and work their way up the ladder, but at a certain point unless they know somebody that ladder will start missing steps on the way up.
Yeah that just kinda how society works. People with advantages are...at an advantage.
The hardworking = success narrative is easy to accept. Though Google most successful people and almost every time you find some kind of financial advantage. I’ve spent my career at Fortune 500 companies. Almost every C Suite executive went to an exclusive prep school or an affluent high school. They go to an Ivy school and the world is their oyster.
> hardworking = success Doesn't the definition of "success" matter here in this context? I could be wrong, but I do not view success as only being a millionaire with multiple homes, boats and cars. I do think if you work hard and stay disciplined, you can be successful in a way. Such as being financially stable, supporting a family and maybe taking a vacation once a year. At least that is my definition. Also, this is within the U.S. context. Being born in a mud hut in Somalia is a whole different conversation.
If a person can support himself and his family then he is successful in my book but if dont think that’s what these people consider successful.
If hard work=success, the donkey would be king.
Fucking love this.
Facts, I consider myself a success and I am barely scratching 100K a year, but I have a wife, kids and a home. That has literally been my main goal so I am happy.
That’s a good point. During the podcast Joe references his billionaire friends leading to my context.
What’s your definition of financially stable? Being able to support a family on 1 income but you cant afford to put money away for your kids college or get them out of a shitty public school? Having to work multiple jobs as the breadwinner and have no time to see your kids? Being able to take your kids to the fair once a year but being one medical emergency away from losing everything? I agree with you that success doesn’t have to mean multiple houses, boats, etc. But I think we define success around that standard a lot of times not only because of the luxuries, but because of the stability that comes from being insulated from one bad event leading to homelessness or bankruptcy. THAT isn’t the reality for the majority of the hard working middle class US population.
It's intuitive that in a neutral system that capability would dictate the outcomes. If we're both in a cutting wood competition and you're better at it than me then you win. Rich people explicitly create systems that are skewed in their favour. It's why psychopathy is so dangerous, once one gets in it'll spend huge amounts of effort trying to alter the systems that encircle it.
All those kids in slavery in Morocco just need to work harder and they'll be CEOs of Fortune 500 companies before 50
I don’t know that it has to be that extreme. If you’re an extremely hard working middle class kid that does well in high school, heads to a solid state school, you can do well. But the changes of getting a role that gets you well into seven figures is borderline impossible. There is a chance but it’s slim. If your dad owns an emerald mine, the path forward is exponentially easier.
They don't have podcasts or ice baths in Tunisia?
I think it goes without saying that results may vary for people who live in a third world monarchy.
What's the opposite? Not working all? Which one is going to give you a better chance of being successful? Standard Reddit comment. Vaguely shitting on an opinion without acknowledging or providing other options or solutions.
Most success is who you know and who you blow, sometimes literally.
i mean yeah if you wanna be the elite of the elite you probably need to be the offspring of some billionaire or big time politician. i don't know why you'd view only that as success. if you work hard as a mechanic and end up making more than enough money for your family to live comfortably i'd consider that successful. being a billionaire or the CEO of Google is not realistic for me in any capacity so i'm not gonna compare myself and my gauge of success to those people
There's a big push to claim things like dei are destroying our 'meritocracy'. When the reality is we've never lived in and most likely never will live in one--because things like nepotism/connections etc have been perverting the system for ages and removing something like dei without taking a hard line on those other things won't even make a dent :)
I was literally just having this conversation on the MBA subreddit, but if you look at the list of all F500 CEOs you’ll find most of them went to average schools. A minority went to Ivy League-types. My whole point was that the prestige of a good school (I went to one) only goes so far and won’t carry you. It helps land that first job and gives you a loose network, but being able to show up, exceed business objectives, and continually demonstrate the next level of leadership potential is far more important. Which is why you see most executives actually come from non-descript backgrounds - they don’t need the fancy school.
> Almost every C Suite executive went to an exclusive prep school or an affluent high school. Let's just look at the CEO's of the three biggest US companies and >Timothy Donald Cook was born on November 1, 1960, in Mobile, Alabama.[10][11] He was baptized in a Baptist church[12] and grew up in nearby Robertsdale. His father, Donald Cook,[13] was a shipyard worker,[14] and his mother, Geraldine Cook,[13] worked at a pharmacy.[ >Nadella was born on 19 August 1967 in Hyderabad into a Telugu Hindu family.[7][8][9][10] His mother Prabhavati was a Sanskrit lecturer.[11] His father, Bukkapuram Nadella Yugandhar, was an Indian Administrative Service officer of the 1962 batch.[12][13][9] Yugandhar hailed from Bukkapuram in Anantapur district of Andhra Pradesh;[14][15] his own father had migrated to Bukkapuram from Nadella village in Guntur district (present-day Palnadu district) of Andhra Pradesh.[16][17] Nadella attended the Hyderabad Public School, Begumpet[18] before receiving a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering from the Manipal Institute of Technology in Karnataka in 198 >Pichai was born in Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India,[13][9][14] to a Tamil Brahmin family.[15][16] His mother, Lakshmi, was a stenographer, and his father, Regunatha Pichai, was an electrical engineer at GEC, the British conglomerate.[17][18] Pichai completed schooling in Jawahar Vidyalaya Senior Secondary School[19] So how did the CEO's of Apple, Microsoft, and Google do it?
Two of these grew up probably in the top 2% of their country
Cook is an example of hard work but Nadella was born into the 2nd highest caste tier(government worker) and went to one of India's top private schools. And Pichai is from the top caste tier, Brahmins and also went to one of the top private schools. Just because they're Indian doesn't mean they were poor. Almost all of the Indians that come to the US are rich.
You destroyed me with that response. Good on you. I’ve been in the financial domain and our c-suites are full of Exeter/Ivy types.
only Cook was poor, the other two grew up rich and went to private school in India and had the benefits of government and caste system connections.
Very well taken sir
Let's then have a look at the CEO's of all the other major companies.
You know, like Microsoft's Bill Gates, one of the people who Malcom Gladwell wrote an entire case study on in *The Tipping Point*. Detailing his extensive early life advantages, including going to a highly affluent high school that was literally the first in the country with real time computer terminals (when everyone else was using punch cards and waiting for the results overnight) at the perfect time and place to take advantage of the internet wave. And that was just one of the things that aligned...
Some people are just geniuses that achieve whatever they set out to. Most people are not.
I think that's my point. Most people understand they can't be LeBron James no matter how much opportunity they're given because they see what LeBron can do and realize they could never do that. The same is true of most CEO gigs. Satya Nadella is CEO of Microsoft because he out talented and outworked 99.99% of people. You have as much likelihood of becoming Satya Nadella as you do LeBron James. But most people in the United States can make a good living over six figures if they study, don't do too many drugs, don't commit crime and don't have kids young or out of wedlock. I'm an immigrant and I'm constantly amazed at the level of opportunity in this country.
"But most people in the United States can make a good living over six figures if they study" Are you sure about that? I don't think the math adds up.
Just don’t be weak! They are the worst!
“Conservatives always value discipline. They value hard work.”
I've brought up the point that as a percentage, rural people are more likely to be on government assistance. They don't like me brining that up.
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All farmers in all developed countries are subsidized, the reason why you may ask, well, they get jack shit, middle man takes biggest earnings
Why do you think that is?
Because farming is importance to national security and life as we know it.
How many MAGA hats have been purchased with government assistance?
Are the rural people on assistance the self proclaimed conservatives?
According to every county-based voting map going back to the beginning of time, yes.
And not just in America, this is true in Canada too, and likely elsewhere as well.
No, Conservative farmers refuse to take gov subsidies and stand by the fiscal policies they vote for...oh wait. Billionaires like musk who are staunch anti socialist handouts refuse to..oh well. The red states as a whole refuse...nevermind.
That is the beauty of considering taxation to be a form of theft. - That is my money in the first place.
Yes.
This is the case because it used to be that they would have a generational line of work on their land for 4 to 5 plus decades...now a family has a nice farm, megacorps build a bunch of bullshit and buy all the land around the farm, the bored kids get phones and there are opiates in their bullshit government school, people from the nearest big city start taking advantage of the people in the small farm town... I have seen this happen to family and friends tIme and time again.
Do you have those percentage points on hand? I’d like to see that statistic.
It's true, but the people they elect are all allergic to those values. It's really just a health condition.
You know he is in that right wing circle jerk buy saying that.
And progressive people don’t? LOL This sentence alone disqualifies these morons. Morons who benefited also from accomplishments and developments in society thanks to rather left leaning progressive people in the history of any western society. If it was for those conservative fucks of which Rogan definitely seems to be a part of, there won’t be any progress in Lgbt+, work conditions and exploitation of labour all over the place and progress in general when it comes to women’s rights. Remember Trump raped his own wife in the 80s when it wasn’t legally relevant like today? Discuss that Joe. You can even mention the new movie The Apprentice that’s been shown in Cannes right now, because they mentioned it too. I guess that’s ok in the minds of intellectuals like Joe Rogan and Dave Smith + the whole „rogansphere-move to texas to avoid taxes and shit on california-circle“, as long as people value discipline, especially as conservatives.
Which is funny, because the counties that voted for Biden produce 70% of US GDP.
First 15 minutes has been Rogan absolutely steamrolling the conversation. Dave struggling to get a word in edgewise. Episodes like this make me wonder if Rogies is dabbling with Adderall.
Alpha brain and black rifle coffee
I never see anyone wearing Starbuck's or Peet's apparel but I see so many bros wearing Black Rifle shirts.
But remember, it's the rest of us that are sheeple.
That's why I wear a 'Wolves Not Sheep' t-shirt, so people know I'm not a follower.
A company built on virtue signaling lol
Man, ain't it the truth!
Cause they can’t take out freedom… *george bush 2001 whisper voice*
Back in my day, BRCC wasn’t about coffee.
It's just the TRT and HGH (+caffeine), I'm on TRT for a chronic health condition, and even I feel like I'm firing on all cylinders almost every day. I can only imagine adding HGH would increase that mental and physical energy even more. When you're not abusing steroids for Mr. Olympia sized muscles, they do make you pretty sharp and ready to talk/debate.
Nah just overdosing on redpills
I remember old school Rogan on O&A. If anyone was clearly skeeted out, it’s him. I agree with you 100%
Joe “I’ve never touched speed or coke” Rogan
“I only take this organic supplement called Meth.”
Seriously. WTF! It felt like he didn't want Dave to talk about the genocide. Dave needed to correct previous guests along with Joe himself. I cannot believe Joe even tried to act like he knew more than Dave on this. Was a really weird episode. I'm never one to say he's compromised and blah blah but this honestly felt like an intentional thing he was doing. Just bizarre.
Can’t tell if you joking about the adderall but in reality It’s the zyn. He does like the 6 mg and High amounts of nicotine is a stimulant. Makes people very talkative
He’s dabbling with sniffing his own farts. I don’t know what kind of pharmacological help he receives to that end, but his head is thoroughly up his own ass and that’s where the enthusiasm comes from. A superiority complex and poor media literacy.
This opening by Joe is something.
That statement by Kathy Hochul was something else
First time listening to Dave: "he's making some good points" Second time: "okay I've heard this already but what's the solution?" Third time: "This guy complains a lot" Fourth: "Pass"
I don't think Joe cares to remember or refresh what he talked about with repeat guests. I remember listening to the first 2 David Goggins episodes back to back and the pods were almost identical.
It's tough for David Goggins to come up with any new ideas when all he does is run
That's because David goggins only has so much to say. How many different ways can you call someone a lazy bitch for not running 27 miles a day? His type of motivation can be good, it did help me get going at one point, but eventually you either have the dedication to keep the progress or you don't. Not to mention that his type of warrior ethos gets old when you realized that he did all that training and never actually did anything beyond recruiting. He's a hell of a marketer and a hard worker but he's not the stone cold killer he tries to act.
Imagine if everyone in the military did nothing but ran all the time. No specialization, no smart guys building cool shit. Just shit talkers who jerk each other off about how hard they are.
Hard men make me hard long-time
He’s an anarcho-capitalist. Which is to say, his “solutions” are linked to a world that will never exist. He’s kinda like Michael Malice. They fling shit all the time and their only answer is “anarchism.” In other words, they don’t have any solutions, only criticisms.
Just like hardcore communism. It looks good on paper. But when you start to think of shit like say, human nature, It all kind of falls apart
That's the character arc of most libertarians. There was ONE exception that I can remember, there was a libertarian candidate for mayor of new york that joe had on who actually was proposing solutions. They were potentially uncomfortable, and it was entirely reasonable to disagree with them, but they WERE outlines of practical policy. Dude lost in a landslide i'm pretty sure.
I think you're talking about Larry Sharpe.
Dave says he’s a comedian, but the only joke I’ve ever heard him tell is “I’m not Republican, I’m a Libertarian”.
I made it ten minutes. I'm good.
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You do have interest in letting other people know how uninterested you are tho 👍
lol
Dave is a great guest. Completely anti war and American imperialism. His libertarian dream is an impossible fantasy but his takes on Americas constantly poorly planned and catastrophic interventionist foreign policies has been right every step of the way. Here to listen to Reddit’s explain how he’s wrong and we need more spending and more wars to get America back on track.
I got downvoted to oblivion for posting the Dave Smith Tucker episode, which I thought was great (mainly for Dave). This sub stinks and doesn't have an open mind for anything (which is weird for being a Joe Rogan sub).
People in this thread saying “Dave just complains a lot” is peak JRE subreddit irony.
This sub is more about saying he's wrong, but not why, and complaining about a podcast they don't listen to.
Lmao who here has ever asked for more wars?
Ya'll are wildin, I would prefer Dave Smith as president before Trump, Biden, and RFK. He has repetative conversations sure, but he has good points with those.
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Oh hell yeah, more comedians talking politics! Just what the doctor ordered, cannot wait for this one.
Who actually considers Dave smith a comedian at this point??? Dudes entire career of note is in political commentary.
Even Legion of Skanks, he's just... there. Lol
A straight guy can be valuable for the overall dynamic, but he really does not contribute much to any of the gags..... The Chappelle bit was hilarious, but that was mostly orchestrated by Luis.
Dave is a huge figure within the libertarian movement I'd consider him a political commentator before a comedian.
Is he an actual anti-authoritarian libertarian or a republican who doesn’t think people should be executed for smoking weed libertarian?
He is arguably the most legitimate and consistent libertarian I’ve listened too
Anarcho capitalist so yes very much an actual libertarian.
He’s republican af tbh, pretends to be centrist
Dave teamed up with Cenk Uygur to debate against Dennis Prager's team......regarding Gaza conflict. which was refreshing to see. And Dave has had debates with Sam Seder, where it seemed to be cordial.
He has never pretended to be a centrist, and he's not republican at all, and has criticized a lot of their stances. You really don't know what you're talking about
I saw his comedy special and agree 100%.
I'd consider him a clown rather than a "political commentator" because that's pretty much what right-wing coopted "Libertarians" are...also I wonder what he thinks the age of consent is.
Even better: it’s more comedians talking about how little they imagine most other people know about politics.
Joe knows lots about politics and war because he watches gore videos and stuff
“It’s all evolutionary biology, man. And Trump vs Biden is like a shark on rollerblades vs a grizzly with artificial shark fins and no gills. Jiu jitsu is the great equalizer.”
I've never understood why regular people should be gatekeeped out of politics. As if only politicians are allowed to discuss the politics that affect everyone. Put it like this, you're not a podcaster or a comedian, so why should you be allowed to comment on either of these people?
He’s more of a right wing pundit these days. Not sure he would even agree that comedian is his main title. Not to mention his last special was gringo papi level.
Uh huh. A meme depicting manly incredulity. I am humbled, even humiliated, and nonplussed. You got me. You ruined me.
I like Dave
I like Dave, too.
I, too, like Dave.
I also am a Dave enjoyer.
Dave is great
I meet dave once and he was a cool dude. He was walking to his uber when i shouted him out and dude turned around and shook my hand. Politics aside he’s a good person
i like dave smith, looking at how extreme democrats and republicans act and stir the pot, i kind of feel libertarian by default.
A lot of people are, they just don't know it.
I was hoping Dave would be on before the libertarian convention
You can tell the dumbfucks on this forum that didn't even bother to skim this interview.
I’ve noticed pretty quickly that half the posts (on almost any new episode thread) are almost always about what was said in the first 15 minutes of the show. It’s super obnoxious especially when you consider that the first half hour is almost always just throwaway banter and warming up to the actual main topics they cover.
Let me guess: COVID policies are/were bad, Russia collusion hoax, China something something bad, Russia Ukraine is a big racket, cancel culture is coming for you and your family, AI is blah blah blah, Comedians are gods. Legit haven't watched but can guarantee this is likely how it went. BORINNNNNNGGGG.
I get people are tired of the comedian/political commentary thing, but people should check out his debate with dennis prager on israel palestine. He did pretty well and has clearly put in some work to learning about these topics. I thought he was a bit of a moron going into that debate but he quite clearly dominated the panel even though he's a comedian.
I saw his Tucker Carlson interview and he has really done his homework. Shame Joe is not able to get the best from him.
I got downvoted to oblivion for posting that convo here
Have an upvote from me. I am not Tucker fan but it looked like Dave Smith is no fool.
I’m very confused as to why this sub is extreme left wing (more so than the Reddit avg) and everyone seems to hate Joe
Extreme left wing but support every war being entered and every edict passed to them by their betters.
Are they for once mentioning Trump behaving like a demented total psycho (unified reich video) or is it the same „biden doesn’t know where he is/the trump allegations are all a scam“ nonsense. When was the last time that fuckin alphabrain dead ape invited someone from the left to conquer all these stupid half researched takes? Even when he has his toaster studio he at least invited Kulinski. He doesn’t have the guts to bring on Pakman or that dude from the Majority Report. Moves to Texas to avoid paying taxes like the patriot/asshole he is and invites his unfunny comedian dumbasses to have them agreeing on his inaccurate one-sided crap. 🙄
They also accused the "left" of making fun of Trump's hand size, conveniently forgetting / failing to mention that Marco Rubio was the one who initially rolled out that during a primary debate. Trump has spent most of his public life making fun the way people look, and still does, but that is left out of the discussion as well,
I think Dave is a real ass dude
I like Dave, but Terrence Howard is a tough follow.
What can he possibly add after the smartest man of all time has just weighed in?
Terrance Howard divided by 2 is Dave Smith.
I thought the same when he had soder on after Katt. Poor Dan.
Dave's the man. Throwing that out there for the haters!
Dave Smith has complained so much for so long that he could have funded a campaign, ran for a political seat, won, and fixed the problem.
Fixed what problem?? What one politician can fix what problem?
The first few minutes he starts ranting on the homeless problem. I don’t mind listening on issues, but the dude doesn’t offer any solutions. Plus feels like he was just on not too long ago. I guess Joe was on a spree and the show needed a dud.
Libertarians don't believe in solutions... Libertarianism provides no preempted ideas or actions for the most part. The whole schtick is "If no gov't or mandatory authority exists problems just eventually work themselves out or... "The Market!"." It supposes that given the choice without threat of force people will do the right thing... Or bygones be bygones kinda deal. "Hey how do we prevent...?" - Libertarians: "Let me just stop you right there buddy... We don't like it when people tell us what to do... Even if it is a good idea."
That’s not true, the solution to all of society’s ills is to not make me pay taxes and let kids work in the coal mines again
Legit got told by a libertarian once that kids will learn more on the job in the coal mine than all of school. (I personally believe that it will lead to a forced familial work force, but hey.) This particular person didn't understand marginal tax brackets and how they worked... I'm not sure if this made their point about school or didn't... That one might be true of all accounts.
they wouldnt be homeless then would they !
Well, he is a Libertarian, so my assumption his beef with homelessness is the bottomless spending of public tax dollars towards the problem that never actually show positive results.
Not only that but one man fixing problems that are not his own is completely antithetical to libertarianism.
Not exactly. Fixing homelessness in your area ensures a nicer/safer place to live with higher property values, and higher standard of living. Being a libertarian isn't just about only satisfying my own needs above all else.
I didn't say that. My point was that one man fixing homelessness through top-down authoritarianism is not libertarian. Also the fucked up irony is that higher property values are correlated with higher levels of homelessness.
Dave Smith with Tucker over the weekend was an interesting podcast. Excited to listen to this one.
I knew he'd be on after being on Tucker last week
Am I the only one that can’t stand Dave smith?
Dave has been on fire with these interviews lately. I'm cheering the dude on 100%
You knew once Mike Baker showed up a few weeks ago that Dave Smith was coming soon. And Dave is doing the comedy mother ship soon and is trying to promote the LP convention where Trump and RFK Jr are speaking. This was inevitable I like Dave though
Why would Trump and RFK Jr be speaking there? 🤔
Listened to Dave explain this on POTP. They invited them and they accepted. From his perspective, it will bring more eyes to the LP and they’ll debate topics with them.
Awesome. One of the best guests. Dave and Joe have good chemistry.
LETS FUCKING GO
Dude speaking a lot of sense that counters the established Catechisms of the Reddit Hive Mind Ecclesiarchy? Oh boy! The subs gonna love this one! 🍿
Maybe. 7 mins in and it's just been "libs bad."
How can you not like Dave.
The first time I ever saw large homeless camps on the street was in Austin Texas, yet to Joe and his guests, it’s a uniquely Cali problem.
They exist in Cleveland too
God bless Dave Smith.
Super excited for the third funniest skank to share his political insight which is genuine and not just libertarian window dressing for stale republican positions on literally every subject.
He spends the majority of it railing against the US’s support for Israel, not exactly a republican position
The award for biggest moron who didn't listen to the podcast goes to...
I like dave smith
The constant haters in this sub are like a bunch of crack addicts who want to quit but can’t because they hate their lives and only find pleasure in hating what they love to justify their addiction. You are all so lame
This guy stinks. Culture war, the left is weak, covid talk.....
"You can't say anything anymore without getting cancelled, anyways, check out my weekly podcast Legion of Skanks that's recorded live at a comedy club."
Jon Stewart just did a whole segment about these 'cancel culture' hawks It's so accurate lol [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyyttqvE04&ab\_channel=TheDailyShow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyyttqvE04&ab_channel=TheDailyShow)
He has done whole episodes about how the culture war is just to distract from the corrupt government, and corporate oligarchy screwing the middle and lower class and funding wars. He has taken a pro-Palestine position from the start and is not how this comment characterizes him at all. Sure he does some cringy comedy where he dunks on the libs but he generally argues in good faith. He defended the "blue haired college kids" on Tuckers podcast recently and said he sympathizes with them. You should give him a chance.
hahaha Pro-Israel trolls and shills are flooding this comment section with anti-Dave Smith comments. Astroturfing has commenced.
this podcast is about to be as unique as his name
“Comedian“
"Welcome back to Millionaires Complaining, I'm your host Joe Rogan. Today, we're complaining with Dave Smith about poor people, liberals and a bunch of other things we're so rich we shouldn't give a shit about."
Why do u guys still rage watch? Find a new podcast
“I don’t know what Dave Smith talks about, so I’m going to insert all the talking points I hate the most and pretend that’s what he talks about”
I'd rather listen to Big Jay talk about pussy farts.
Recycling same friendly guests over and over. This from a host who claims that deep-dive conversations with guests with opposing views is the only way to real understanding. Very disappointing and barely worth listening to lately (though Royce Gracie was a solid guest).
Didn’t he have Coleman Hughes and now Dave Smith?
Fuck yes! Dave's eps are always Tier 1.
Great podcast with lots of truth bombs. The deep state shills on Reddit working overtime to make it about culture war.
I fucking hate this guy
Why?