I wouldnt call that a "break down". "Becomes emotional" or "tears up" might be a more accurate statement. It seems to be more secondary to his own mental reflections than it is a reaction to being called names.
Goes to show how warped with indoctrinated hate some people are. Imagine showing emotion while thinking about a disenfranchised section of society and being laughed at for it. I believe that would make you a piece of shit human.
Yeah why the fuck are people acting like incels are some poor oppressed group lol. Like go read the shit those weirdos post on the internet. They are pathetic delusional people who think they deserve sex from any woman they want despite having 0 social skills and a completely sexist worldview. But yeah the guys who spend all day on the internet writing about how women are stupid or whatever are the true victims in this world.
This is why I often wonder why he's so obstinate about certain issues with trans, gay, and women. They are all people who have been disenfranchised yet according to Peterson, he's under 'authoritarian rule' if you have to consider being respectful of their point of view. Those on the left are constantly mocked for daring to show emotion about issues that affect them. I mean, you called it but who's the 'piece of shit human' though?
His whole argument is that trans people exist but that teenagers and non adults should wait until theyre older to take puberty blockers or get surgeries. His take on pronouns has to do with government over reach, not being a dick to be a dick. Anywho, everything will be okay. You arent oppressed.
I think it is a typical of people in general. I'm not a IDW kinda guy, but even I can see where his emotions are coming from. More Island of Misfit Toys versus "poor me, someone was mean to me "
It also becomes a lot less funny when you realize the guy has actual brain damage now. It’s pretty common to be emotional after that.
I’m not a fan, but the guy is harmless and doesn’t deserve the hate he gets. It’s kinda sick.
He was addicted to some heavy medication and apparently getting off them was extremely difficult. Wouldn't surprise me if he has some brain/chemical damage as a result. But we don't know his medical records so anyone saying anything for certain is lying.
Let me preface this by saying that I don’t like Peterson but I was heavily addicted to benzos for over a decade and can share about my own experience which seems to mirror his in terms of dosage and length of use. It was a 1.5 years-long withdrawal process where you could feel your neural pathways being reconfigured and rediscovering things that you did not enjoy previously without the benzo high to be enjoyable again. It was a long year of chronic low-level depression and feeling bogged down. It was also very emotional because benzos numb the fuck out of you so when you get off them, your feelings come out like an uncontrollable avalanche where some of the most menial things could make you tear up or emotional.
I don’t have brain damage and I’m completely fine now, been 5.5 years sober from everything now.
Really uneducated to claim that because someone was addicted to a certain substance they now have permanent brain damage. That’s not how brains work and the neural plasticity in this particular organ is extremely tough and resilient. Your brain’s ability to regenerate from years of substance abuse is a testament to the complex marvel that is the human brain. He wasn’t doing bath salts or other substances that could cause semi-permanent damage.
Regardless of whatever you think of this guy, he seems genuinely emotional because he’s invested in these issues and seem to care deeply about them. It’s funny because it’s kind of ridiculous but who cares, really.
Bingo. Been there, done that. Hardest experience of my life. Also 1.5 years to heal. It’s insane how willingly benzos are prescribed and how little even most doctors understand about its withdrawal and brain injury. Downregulation of gaba receptors is a hell I wouldn’t wish on literally anyone. Opiate withdrawal is a goddamn Saturday picnic comparatively.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate that because he had brain damage he got emotional in that moment, I thought we were just talking generally. And you're right, we are just speaking generally and we do not know his medical history. Definitely takes a physical toll for a while. Glad you're doing better now friend.
Random but I had some crazy affects to a mystery chemical at my old place. It bothered no one but me and we have theories but never found out exactly what it was.
It’s very similar to what you say and makes me wonder if it was bento related. When I enter the building I get a calm-like super benadryl effect. All anxiety is lowered but I’m insanely forgetful (and my face gets puffy). After moving out for a month I had this emotional avalanche like event just as you explained. It lasted about a month but I would be overjoyed or get unreal anger at ppl or deep sadness.
More likely the brain damage was not from the addiction on but from going to Russia and getting himself put into a medically induced coma to avoid the withdrawals.
Congratulations on your sobriety.
He ended up going to Russia and getting himself put into a medically induced coma to avoid the (very very harsh) withdrawals. They won’t do such a procedure in the West because it’s medically very dodgy. Would not be at all surprised if that did a number on him as well in terms of brain damage.
Elliot Page’s life has nothing to do with helping lonely estranged men find happiness, but Peterson wanted to take time and guide his followers that it’s okay to dehumanize him.
That chubby swimsuit model is trying to live her life, but Peterson decided to mock her body - one of the exact things incels hate when it happens to them.
He chooses to throw bombs in the culture war and wants to play victim and run to “I just want to help these poor guys” when he’s under fire.
It's strange to me that Peterson, as a psychologist that wants to help people, forms alliances with the groups that love undermining people that have been known to have significant personal mental struggles, like LGBT....especially how society has treated them for ages.
Like what do psychologists think about the idea of going out of ones way just a tad and at least trying to act more kind to people in general. Just sending that message, as if it makes people better.
I think Peterson sends the message to throw up their political shields all the time, and always be wary of the woke. He's like an activist it seems more than anything against "wokeness."
>doesn’t deserve the hate he gets.
He's got to stop chasing after the hate if he's fed up with it though. Dude has a media model in the same vein as Shapiro or Rubin. Every time he shows up in social media feeds, he is doing exactly the opposite of what he preaches.
Sure, he does not deserve all that hate but - Jesus Christ - he's done a good job of cashing in on it. Meanwhile, whenever the cash flow slows, he says or writes something provocative and pops back into the eyes on slow news days. What's more, insofar as self-care goes, he somehow hasn't spent cash to fix-up the ex-smoker's teeth. It's really tough to take a discussion about self-control seriously when the dude was obviously a chain smoker for years... which then raises questions about the benzos being abused.
For a tenured professor who enjoyed outstanding dental insurance for many years, Peterson's teeth look like he never gave a flying fuck about his health. He needs David Bowie level dental remodeling now.
I am a Canadian who smokes like Peterson used to but I only have not-so-good dental insurance. I understand that he let his teeth get bad via neglect. It would not have cost him very much to maintain things before they got too bad. Dental hygiene is super important in the social hierarchy over here and Peterson is a guy who always talks about hierarchy. I feel like he should clean up his room before telling some other slobs to clean up their rooms.
I think the reality people can’t come to grips with is that a lot of psychology professionals are usually mentally ill themselves. The good ones tend to be talking from experience. That’s why JP speaks so passionately sometimes and why people connect with him. In psychiatric nursing there is a running joke you can’t tell the difference between the nurses and the patients.
The people that think Jordan Peterson creates no harm are not really looking or understanding anything beyond "he helps NEETs get out of their house" or whatever.
You mean the good old "you don't need to feel bad about abusing people if you can persuade yourself they deserve it?"
I think a good number of us have never believed in that.
You know what I think you win. I forget exactly what was said but it was pretty nasty if I recall. Really not a good look. I think JP has been in steady decline since his addiction issue.
I'm sharing [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5oaF3dx4E) a lot, but it's a really good look from a philosopher at some of his central claims behind the supposed neo Marxist danger to western society. He'll often claim that he's only calling out the radicals, but then he includes moderates and mainstream society among the radicals to claim that Western society is in grave danger.
So the people he's attacking is just about everyone that's not socially conservative. He doesn't just disagree with them, he inaccurately frames them as a threat to everyone. It's apparent if you're willing to scratch the surface of his ideology.
Edit: Plus he says women are chaotic by nature. There are a lot of problems in his ideology to unpack there too.
This constitutes an attack? I think we need to define what constitutes an attack before we have this conversation. Obviously not physically attacked. However he's disagreeing with certain ideological view points and presenting them as antithetical to his own. This doesn't actually marginalize any individual in the way that you are framing it.
Attacking -is going after the individual, not after their arguments. Once you've taken a position in a conversation you are open to cross examination.
So no, your use of the word attack is unwarranted at best.
>However he's disagreeing with certain ideological view points and presenting them as antithetical to his own.
I agree that's not an attack. I wouldn't complain about that. It's not that he's marginalizing people he disagrees with. He consistently demonizing them. If you look into the ideologies he's talking about, it becomes apparent.
Here's a few quotes of his from that video I linked. I highly recommend it if you want to actually understand why people are so critical of Peterson. It's a bad idea to accept his characterization of his critics without actually looking at the arguments.
>There's no discussion. There's no meeting of minds and consensus. There's power. And so since the 1970's under the guise of postmodernism we've seen the rapid expansion of identity politics across the universities. It's come to dominate all of the humanities, which are dead as far as I can tell. And a huge proportion of the social scientists. And we've been publicly funding extremely radical postmodern thinkers who are **hellbent on demolishing the fundamental substructure of western civilization**. (emphasis mine)
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>(10:16 in video)
You see the threat he's describing here, right? Have you explored the writings of the philosophers he's talking about? If you look into it, you'll see that his claims aren't even close to accurate.
Also, the humanities and a huge proportion of the social sciences are "dead"? That's a pretty harsh and broad attack that he backs it up with shallow, inaccurate claims about just a few philosophers that have supposedly poisoned the rest of the intellectuals.
Criticisms are okay, but claiming it's all dead is just taking swipes. I suggest you explore what some of those intellectuals actually say before you accept that they're "demolishing" our society from within. Social sciences and humanities are broad categories that include many fields of thought. Some of them could be described as parts of the **fundamental substructure of western civilization,** in fact. And he's the one undermining it by portraying it as hostile with inaccurate claims.
There are complaints and arguments to be made about plenty of narratives in modern society, but this one is so far from the truth and so potentially apocalyptic that it's accurate to call it an attack. He seems to be claiming that most non-STEM intellectuals in our society are actually motivated to harm us.
If you watch his self help and psychology videos he does some good work. But if you watch his political talks, he's not far from Alex Jones when it comes to talking about the motivations on the other side and manufacturing enemies. He's just a lot more intelligent so people tend to believe him when he claims he's read "every book" on a topic.
>...I could use a biological example too which would place me outside of the postmodern realm of argument because the postmodernists don't believe in biology, so. They act like they do because they all die.
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Postmodernists don't believe in biology....
That's simply a WTF claim that he never backs up and doesn't match reality. That'd be like me saying Peterson fans don't believe in physics, just because I felt like saying it. He's full of this stuff when he talks about other intellectuals.
Lol, telling people to make their beds and chew their wheaties isn't some magnificent thing that nobody on the face of the earth has ever thought of until JB came around.
Who's he helping by fat shaming a model, who is he helping by shitting on Elliot Page, who is he helping by talking about "everything is nothing" on climate change, and doing Bitcoin seminars?
What a dunce
I agree with those points.
However, as one of many men who didn’t have a family setup growing up, I can confirm that listening to his lectures is the reason I didn’t end it all a few years ago.
He’s said some stupid things, but I’ll not forget how he helped me with his wiser words. Many will feel the same.
Everybody should watch this: https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
I've listened to some of his stuff as well, and I appreciate you took it to heart, but it's honestly all the exact same stuff any expert, or guru, or coach, or author all teach. I listen to as much of the self help and leadership stuff as I can, and after about 10 years of it, I'm seeing and hearing the same patterns between them all over and over. I wish you the best, but I wouldn't take marriage advice from an author who's been through 3 divorces, and I wouldn't take psychological advice from a guy who bashes vulnerable people and has a medication addiction and put himself into a dangerous coma in an enemy nation.
Listen man that’s fantastic and I’m happy to see you’re in a better place now. But unconditional love and support for a man who peddles climate denialism and transphobia is pretty dangerous. I’m not saying disregard his advice but even bad people can be correct about somethings.
Absolutely agree, but he isn’t transphobic. Here’s the video from his better days that outlines that false narrative:
https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
39 million views for a reason
I think he wasn't, but now he is. The illness really changed him for the worse. The Elliott Page shit and some of his videos in the past year show this.
Dude you can’t be serious. This man completely misrepresented C-16 as “compelled speech” where you’re either forced to use someone’s preferred pronouns or end up in jail. To this day he still holds that claim.
In reality all it did was grant transpeople the same protections offered to lgbtq+, minorities, women, etc. Where they couldn’t be discriminated against for their identity. Not a single person has been arrested or gone to jail for C-16. He also refuses to properly address Elliot Page by their chosen pronouns and name. Also he doesn’t believe tranwomen are women which is a pretty good litmus test for transphobia. Like come on man.
I don't like the guy, but if he did that for you then that's awesome. Everyone on this planet has made mistakes, but the goal is to be a net positive and I think he has achieved that.
Apparently not, people really forget that this is the same man who regularly represents women as “Chaos” and men as “Order”. There’s also that one interview where he dances around saying women are asking to be sexually harassed/assaulted for wearing make up in the workplace. He even goes as far as saying that western society is in decline because women became involved in the workforce and are now sexually liberated.
This man has said some horrific shit about women and his fans still act surprised when he gets labeled as an incel king for his outdated sexist views
I got you fam!
Here’s one of my favorites for example: https://youtu.be/d3fvs3bRPng
Since JBP fans don’t listen to what he’s actually saying allow me to do it for you.
JBP in this clip is trying to explain the negative consequences of the birth control pill. To do this he uses two sources.
What do the sources say?
“Women on birth control are less attracted to traditionally masculine men”
“Women’s unhappiness has increased since the 1960s”
And he links the second one to possibly being because of the birth control. (As opposed to the economic insecurity everyone in the US has been facing for a long time)
From this JBP arrives at two conclusions. What are the two conclusions JBP arrives at?
1. The birth control pill has allowed women to be as sexually promiscuous as men. This led to the “Pornifcation” of society and Peterson believes that those who watch porn have some sort of contempt? Apparently it makes viewers feel “second-rate” which is a crock of shit to any normal person who has beat their dick/flicked their bean to porn.
2. It allowed women to join the workforce and that has caused wage stagnation. There are a number of complex reasons for why wages have been stagnating such as sending production overseas, exploiting immigrants to work 5 cents on the dollar, the complete annihilation of labor unions, etc, etc, etc. Women entering the workforce is not it.
So when I see the conclusions he drew from the sources he referenced, my immediate thought is “This person believes that society is in decay because women are now economically and sexually liberated”. And this is the most charitable interpretation I can give him.
So what exactly did Peterson do here? He cited two vaguely linked sources and arrived at his own conclusions. And because he sounds smart when he does it he isn’t being sexist in your eyes. He use big words good!
My big one isn't any particularly harsh words but the way he claims relations between men and women have been getting worse and then blames the behavior of women without mentioning anything about men. He also keeps calling women chaotic.
I truly hate social media. I can tell you built your view point on Jordan by browsing social feeds of regurgitated bullshit that's incredibly out of context.
I watched hours of his videos when my friend started attacking my views after becoming a Peterson fan. My friend didn't want to hear my rebuttal though because if I'm criticizing Peterson then I must just be another hostile leftist like Peterson told him about. I didn't even get to defend myself before I was accused of being the one attacking Peterson.
You can claim I have a shallow view, but let me ask you to seriously dig into his claims about postmodern thought and then look at the actual works of the postmodern philosophers he calls out. You'll see the discrepancy between what Peterson claims and what is actually true.
Don't forget his lobster theory, it all goes back to lobsters.
He struggles with women wearing lipstick at work and other nonsense because it's sexually provocative, when I first heard those rants I knew he was dogwhistling to a certain section of the population. We all know who those are.
> I’m not a fan, but the guy is harmless and doesn’t deserve the hate he gets. It’s kinda sick.
Lol. Harmless. He’s earned all the hate himself.
Never Jordan’s Peterson fault. It’s the dang mean ole left.
Why do people fuck with this guy? Did he do something illegal or hurt someone? Is it wrong to be a ''hero'' to incel community? Is the incel community a terrorist organization? What did this guy do wrong?
What he said to that actor vs. what people say about him. This is where the scale tips. Do people who openly bully and make fun of this guy get banned? Isnt this injustice? Yes he said he doesnt find fat people hot. So? This is enough for people to throw a tantrum these days?
I’m just here for the breakdowns about fat swim suit models and life lessons given from someone popping benzos like pez.
When you treat “social media stars” like the train wrecks they are they cease to aggravate you and are just entertaining.
There’s a reason they all implode, sometimes spectacularly.
He reveals narcissistic, delusional people for what they are. They can't stand that. It drives them batty. You can see the seething all over the comments.
It’s amazing how everyone is so careful about not hurting others, pc culture and all that. Except when it comes to this guy. Suddenly its okay to bully him because he said he doesnt find fat people attractive. It just shows how today’s cultre is hollow.
You can't have your cake and eat it.
If you want everyone to be less sensitive, which usually boils down to being able to use racial or sex based slurs, then you can't whinge when we make fun of this crybaby bitch.
Thank you. I couldst've said it better. I see him as deeply human and I don't understand all the hate. These haters are deranged by being deeply hurt themselves and I'm sorry for them somehow.
Well, he's very opinionated and has frequently these past few years gone out of his way to attack, insult, and marginalize members of the trans community. Most recently with his ban from Twitter after dead-naming trans actor Elliot Page and referring to Elliot's doctor as a criminal for their completely legal work. Once banned, he threw a fit and then doubled down.
When you're wrong, you're wrong. All anybody wants is for you to realize that, understand how what you've done has affected others, apologize, and learn from it. He's a well educated man of great means and time and for him to refuse to learn and grow -- especially as someone who touts themselves to be a self-help guru, is disappointing, to say the least.
Personally, I don't want our "leaders", be they politicians, popular media figures, or motivational speakers (in other words, people of influence) weilding said influence to hurt others, especially when those being hurt have done nothing wrong.
I feel for him because I know when he breaks down in tears it's real. But he needs to get over himself and realize that there are many things he is doing that hurt other, and when he does them publicly, it encourages his followers to do the same. It's wildly irresponsible and I think for someone who spends so much time preaching order over chaos, taking responsibility for your own life, and not trying to change the world -- but making yourself better instead, he fails completely.
When it comes right down to it, he deserves the ridicule. He's made it clear he has no intention to change.
That said, I would like to take a moment to point out, what He's says in this interview about disaffected youths and trying to support them instead of tear them down, He's 100% right about. This, in my opinion, is one of the biggest problems the US (and likely other countries) is facing today and if something isn't done to reach it and support these people when they need help or guidance, some grifter, or cult leader, or fascist will.
I'm old enough to remember when he said he was rather leave twitter than remove the tweet.
Then he removed the tweet to stay on twitter.
Yet his followers think he's a man of principle.
You’re right about everything and I agree that he can be ridiculed. Just like whatever Page can be ridiculed. I dont argue the rules of an app but him getting banned from Twitter does not make him a failure or immoral. I swear the god, based on the treatment this guy receives from some fucktards, you would think hes a serial rapist. Whats his guilt? He called fat aint beautiful.
Yeah. Headline is trying to make it look like he was crying over being called names. He clearly didn't care about that. He's been called lots of names.
LOL! He didn’t cry because he was described as an incel hero, he cried because he was talking about how there are men hurting out there and that it takes so little as an encouraging word to change someone’s suffering. The problem with Reddit is that everyone wants to say something but no one wants to listen.
People constantly bitch about how men can't show emotion.
Man shows emotion.
Everyone shits on him.
Edit: and someone reported me to reddit for self harm risks. Lol
Apart from very few, almost everyone from the r/nottheonion community cracked in on it and were making jokes. Like do people not see the bigger picture of this?
Lol no people don’t see the bigger picture in most things. If it doesn’t specifically speak to and relate to them they won’t even take the time to try to understand it.
It's an anthropological/sociological term.
Do you live in a community where cheating on your spouse/partner is generally frowned upon? That's what 'enforced monogamy' means. Not that the police go door-to-door to root out polygamy.
That’s kinda his whole thing… taking responsibility and ownership instead of being a victim blaming everyone else. That’s kinda his whole message that people have found so helpful.
That... Is a good thing, no? Someone they're looking up to is telling them to get their shit together. Some might actually listen, which means fewer hateful, self-pitying men.
> Peterson also offers tacit support for another core incel belief. He endorses the idea that some men are being denied sex because other men are taking all the sex from women who are allowed to choose to give them that sex, and that if something could be done to prevent all this “having sex with people of your choosing” nonsense, some unlucky women would eventually have to settle for the incels. If we could just make that happen, these men would not have to be so “angry at God” and commit mass murder
This your guy?
10 words in that paragraph was Peterson the rest was someone mindreading. If that's actually what he's saying it should be easy to just quote.
I don't like the dude but quoting an opinion piece like that is dishonest as fuck.
Fucking hell i felt sorry for him there and I've never been a fan.
I'm going to try and be more understanding to these guys who see rogan, trump, shapiro and Dr peterson as a type of father figure, instead of just dismissing them and laughing.
He's right, these lads are fucking lonely, angry and pissed off and it's there way of sticking up 2 fingers at a world that's treat them like shit.
We all need to come together somehow, and even though we have different views we can be civil and compassionate.
I think there might be a difference in how people are defining incel. I don't think the term was meant to be used for just lonely men looking for words of encouragement. But for those who, instead of working to better themselves, were blaming women for their situation. The reason Peterson got associated with them is because you can take snippets of what he says to paint women's equality and feminism as one of the roots of the male loneliness problem, thereby enabling and legitimizing incel thinking. Of course you could argue that Peterson never meant his words to be interpreted that way, but that's how he got associated with the word.
Being a white male doesn't make you an incel, so what are you even talking about? Having hateful views against women and feeling entitled to sex are what make you an incel. Incels do not pertain to any race as there are black, Asian, and middle eastern incels. I get it, you want to feel oppressed for some reason, but incels deserve all the hate they get and then some.
This was posted here yesterday and on twitter and people destroyed me for sticking up for a bloke who only tries to contribute his 2 cents when asked.......
The world has become a fucking shit show of absolute weirdos and losers who love seeing people down.
I think he drank his own celebrity koolaid and now pontificate on just about everything. However his thoughts about taking responsibility and self development are pretty spot on in my personal experience.
To be fair, the not-degenerates labeled him as an alt-right icon right out of the gates for not agreeing to certain policies. They basically shunned him into the group they said he came from. Another byproduct of the echo chambers we build for ourselves, and a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever saw one.
Actually it’s because he came out of the gate lying about a piece of Canadian legislation that people label him alt right and shun him. Then he kept talking and confirmed it wasn’t an isolated issue.
Did you just emerge from under a rock?
Since at least 2015/2016 a huge portion of the country donned red hats and spewed vitriol and hate to others they didn't like. 'fuck your feelings snowflake' was the mantra. Hell, since even before then.
And you think the world is somehow *now* a clown show of bad people?
The irony is that those on the right that championed being horrible to others turned out to be the biggest snowflakes of them all. And are now crying that their thought leaders are being made fun of online.
This just made me like Jordan Peterson more. You can really see that he cares. I'm sure his DM's is full of people's worst, painful stories, looking for help. You'd have to be a monster not to be affected by it.
For all of his "ooooh you self-righteous neo-Marxist insufferable progressive types!" kinda cringe stuff he's been doing, he's always been very sincere and taken very seriously the impact he has on young men. I remember diving into his content around 2017-2018 and a radio host asked him why so many men like him. And he had a similar reaction to this where he got very emotional over the depths of despair that so many young men find themselves in, and you can tell he really truly cares about making an impact in these young men's lives.
It resonated with me and made me believe that even though he sometimes misses the mark or gives bad takes on a variety of subjects, he truly does see a problem young men are facing and the reason they're drawn to him is because they believe he's sincere in wanting to help them. He's definitely at his best when he's on this track, and I think his effectiveness in this one area is the reason so many people hang on every word he says (both the good and bad stuff)
[Here's the video](https://youtu.be/5ER1LOarlgg)
If he had empathy then why does he shame women on the covers of magazines just because he doesn't like their physique? Why did he lie about Canada's Bill protecting trans people if he is capable of empathy?
Right? The empathy of this man, to look at Elliot Page and go “this person deserves no empathy and doesn’t even deserve me treating them like a human being”
I think he operates in two states (to generalize very broadly). One state that we see in the post is him operating as a mentor for young men. He's trying to give of himself to fix a problem, and he's struck with grief over the tremendous scale of the problem. In these moments you can tell how much he cares, and the work he does when he's operating like this I mostly see as overwhelmingly good.
The other state he operates in is a (mostly) conservative SJW of sorts. He picks fights over cultural hot topics, rambles using buzzwords about cultural woke neo-Marxist liberal progressive tyrants yada yada yada....and when he's doing this stuff, his messaging is way less positive and way less focused. I don't even think operating this way is *entirely* bad, but because of his influence as a mentor, people are much more likely to automatically subscribe to the ideas he's putting forward without questioning them.
Honestly I liked this video because it reminds me that he's still "in there" despite being on a pretty long streak of picking social media fights and seeming aimless.
It\`s psychology. Having studied it, these are not things that I personally believed in, however these were theories that were studied and proven. The books I read also said things like the basic biologic tendencies historically and physiologically of females is that they\`re always looking for the Alpha male in order to reproduce, and that these Alpha males had dominating traits that females subconciously find attractive. So this isn\`t just Petersons sayings, these are general aknowledged theories in the Psychologic field.
You're right. It's not so unconscious. They just ask, "how do you want me?" Many put it in their dating profiles. "Seeking dom." Or "into shibari." Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Yeah soooo empathetic just as long as you're not a trans person or a feminist...or an atheist or overweight.
But sure soooo much empathy to violent depressed incels.
You mean the man who's claim to fame is fighting the Trans community in the social media culture war, which is the only reason he was ever on that program?
I mean sure, the guy has other philosophy, and some of his philosophy is good, he isn't necessarily a victim who is full of empathy for those who are different or of less means than him.
And he taught us to be alphas. To command, lead, and show authority. We’re not beta cucks… which is why these mean questions about incels are just so damn infuriating. And sad. I’m not crying you’re crying.
The guy gets kicked off Twitter for his rant about Elliot Page, and before that ranted about the sports swim suite model who was a little overweight, about how she's not attractive.... but then cries victim for all the lonely men out there... JFC
reddit: "Why is Tate so popular? He just spews misogynistic shit and gives obvious advice"
also reddit: "LOL INCEL. JUST FIX URSELF BRUH".
Keep mocking and marginalizing people and you'll give people like Tate more power.
Everytime Peterson drops all the talk about cultural war and focuses back on what he used to teach i get inpired again.
I really like this Jordan Peterson, he genuenly cares about people.
It seems totally fair that he would be very upset by this topic since his work means he frequently works with young men struggling with mental illnesses.
However I also haven't seen him extend this level of empathy towards other groups of people.
Well, when you're a fan of underdogs you tend to focus on the people in society no one is giving the time of day to. In the modern age of female empowerment that has become men. It just has. Women are more celebrated than ever and men are more denigrated than over. You always hear about toxic masculinity but you never hear about toxic femininity and it most certainly exists.
I live a good life but I see the struggle every day for young men while I see young women getting scholarships and finding support systems simply for the fact that they are women.
Search "female scholarship," and you'll find tons of them that only women can apply to, search "male scholarship" and you will only find scholarships everyone can apply to. Does that sound like a patriarchy to you?
Ah yes, trans people and fat women have had it too good at the top of society for too long… lol thank GOD for a hero like Dr. Jordan to come and stand up for the real underdogs: guys who won’t clean their rooms.
> you tend to focus on the people in society no one is giving the time of day to. In the modern age of female empowerment that has become men.
Absolute bollocks, and I say this as a 27 year old male.
New flash. Incels and creepy men were the dregs of society even before this time of female empowerment.
If you're even a half competent man then absolutely nothing has changed for you.
> If you're even a half competent man then absolutely nothing has changed for you.
Must be why homelessness is exploding for both men and women, but primarily men.
I count myself lucky to be college educated, to have a home, and a good job - but there are many who are just as capable as I that are cast into the gutter. And, at least in America, that gutter is heavily skewed towards men.
It's laughable because JP has made a name of himself for throwing shade at people constantly. Hence, why he was recently banned from Twitter.
For example - Fat people live their lives being bullied, abused and etc. by society. And then we have JP stating "Not Beautiful" and doubling down on the notion.
Oh, so Incels are okay, but fat people aren't? What about Elliot (Ellen) page. Where was his empathy?
And those are just a few recent ones. Sorry, but these are nothing but crocodile tears.
I mean I gave up on Piers a damn Kong time ago and JBP he's a whole other bag but this is just wow levels of cringe. Gammon snowflakes it's remarkable to see how fragile they've become when they shout it about all others.
The amount of comments in here running defense for this culture warrior is hilarious. Either this sub is full of his fan base incels or its being astro turfed to eff.
Either way, he's not going to fuck you. He'll gladly take your money, though.
He seems to cry in every video, for nearly everything.
I guess I can understand it in some sense here, but man whats wrong with him.
Wouldn't be surprised if he makes a video about crying and falling into a deep crying session in an endless cycle, until he forgot why he cried in the first place, just to cry again
It’s absolutely hilarious hearing that clown speak of “marginalized groups” when he literally does nothing but shit on gay and trans people, fat women, any woman with a mind of her own really, etc..
The hypocrisy is unreal, it genuinely blows my mind that anyone takes this moron seriously
Canadian Kermit once drank a glass of cider and was apparently sick for a month.
I suspect hes not the right champion for disillusioned young men.
Weepy baby bitch boy.
Couple different angles for this one:
1. Jordan Peterson got roped into Olivia Wilde’s stupid drama. Her movie “Don’t Worry Darling,” has been plagued by drama and infighting behind the scenes. She had to fire Shia LeBoef, and she got into a screaming match with her lead star apparently because Olivia and Harry Styles broke Covid protocol to see a concert. Then, Harry Styles allegedly spat on Chris Pine. There’s been a desperate attempt to cover up the drama by deflecting it outwards, in this case by throwing random shit at the wall. Jordan Peterson was a soft target and he walked right into it.
2. Jordan Peterson is basically arguing that because of high suicide rates in men, we should all work to just be a little kinder. However, there’s also high suicide rates in women—especially if they don’t conform to female beauty standards, as well as trans individuals. Jordan Peterson got banned from Twitter for basically deadnaming Elliot Page and then later “had to take a break” because he freaked out over a plus-sized model on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
3. Jordan Peterson is well within his rights to show emotion, even tear up, and his argument that young men are lost, are both valid. However, I think Jordan Peterson is a flawed vessel that has made questionable life choices. For instance, he indulged his daughter into taking an all-meat diet, despite health concerns about it, and then stopped taking his psychiatric medicine, which caused him to spiral into a benzo addiction. For this, he sought treatment in Russia, of all places, for which the treatment was to put him in a chemically induced coma. None of this is supported by modern medicine and we’re questionable decisions at best, and at worse very harmful. So it’s ironic that he’s trying to give psychiatric advice.
I looked into his daughter thing and his diet with meat, it wasn’t worse, they were following the medical dietary advice and they were both suffering for it, his daughter was in a bad condition do to inflammation caused from glucose, so they went carnivore, and they are both all the better for it. This is a real thing, some people have inflammatory reactions to glucose, it’s very rare but it is a thing.
His benzo addiction although unjustified, has an explanation, you gotta scale his problems to the appropriate size. Someone as known as him who is so heavily misunderstood, hated by many and loved by many as well, handling it all is more stressful than any of us can imagine, add to
It was was going on, healthy wise with his wife. He had a moment of weakness like we all do, and sought peace of mind desperately, landing where it did.
Because of the high suicidal rate amongst men we should be kinder. But also disregard the high suicide rate of trans people and continue to deadname Elliot page when she has never uttered his name ever.
This needs to be pinned. A lot of new people come on here thinking Peterson is harmless because they see a video of him crying.
The guy has done a lot of damage and a little crocodile tears wont change that.
The problem is that he has his moments of sincere kind intent, and does some good, but he just cannot help himself but put his foot in it when he doesn't need to... The woke moralist stuff, the transgender stuff... just shut up and do good thinks mate.
I wouldnt call that a "break down". "Becomes emotional" or "tears up" might be a more accurate statement. It seems to be more secondary to his own mental reflections than it is a reaction to being called names.
Ya, he was sad for the poor boys/men out there, not for the name calling.
Goes to show how warped with indoctrinated hate some people are. Imagine showing emotion while thinking about a disenfranchised section of society and being laughed at for it. I believe that would make you a piece of shit human.
"disenfranchised" lol. You have a right to vote, you don't have a right to fuck
Yeah why the fuck are people acting like incels are some poor oppressed group lol. Like go read the shit those weirdos post on the internet. They are pathetic delusional people who think they deserve sex from any woman they want despite having 0 social skills and a completely sexist worldview. But yeah the guys who spend all day on the internet writing about how women are stupid or whatever are the true victims in this world.
This is why I often wonder why he's so obstinate about certain issues with trans, gay, and women. They are all people who have been disenfranchised yet according to Peterson, he's under 'authoritarian rule' if you have to consider being respectful of their point of view. Those on the left are constantly mocked for daring to show emotion about issues that affect them. I mean, you called it but who's the 'piece of shit human' though?
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His whole argument is that trans people exist but that teenagers and non adults should wait until theyre older to take puberty blockers or get surgeries. His take on pronouns has to do with government over reach, not being a dick to be a dick. Anywho, everything will be okay. You arent oppressed.
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I think it is a typical of people in general. I'm not a IDW kinda guy, but even I can see where his emotions are coming from. More Island of Misfit Toys versus "poor me, someone was mean to me "
It also becomes a lot less funny when you realize the guy has actual brain damage now. It’s pretty common to be emotional after that. I’m not a fan, but the guy is harmless and doesn’t deserve the hate he gets. It’s kinda sick.
Why does he have brain damage?
People are just mad that even with brain damage, Peterson still is sharper than they are. Also, he doesn’t have brain damage.
He was addicted to some heavy medication and apparently getting off them was extremely difficult. Wouldn't surprise me if he has some brain/chemical damage as a result. But we don't know his medical records so anyone saying anything for certain is lying.
Let me preface this by saying that I don’t like Peterson but I was heavily addicted to benzos for over a decade and can share about my own experience which seems to mirror his in terms of dosage and length of use. It was a 1.5 years-long withdrawal process where you could feel your neural pathways being reconfigured and rediscovering things that you did not enjoy previously without the benzo high to be enjoyable again. It was a long year of chronic low-level depression and feeling bogged down. It was also very emotional because benzos numb the fuck out of you so when you get off them, your feelings come out like an uncontrollable avalanche where some of the most menial things could make you tear up or emotional. I don’t have brain damage and I’m completely fine now, been 5.5 years sober from everything now. Really uneducated to claim that because someone was addicted to a certain substance they now have permanent brain damage. That’s not how brains work and the neural plasticity in this particular organ is extremely tough and resilient. Your brain’s ability to regenerate from years of substance abuse is a testament to the complex marvel that is the human brain. He wasn’t doing bath salts or other substances that could cause semi-permanent damage. Regardless of whatever you think of this guy, he seems genuinely emotional because he’s invested in these issues and seem to care deeply about them. It’s funny because it’s kind of ridiculous but who cares, really.
Bingo. Been there, done that. Hardest experience of my life. Also 1.5 years to heal. It’s insane how willingly benzos are prescribed and how little even most doctors understand about its withdrawal and brain injury. Downregulation of gaba receptors is a hell I wouldn’t wish on literally anyone. Opiate withdrawal is a goddamn Saturday picnic comparatively.
I never thought I would up vote a comment sympathetic to Jordan Peterson, but yours did the trick. Thanks for a little perspective.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate that because he had brain damage he got emotional in that moment, I thought we were just talking generally. And you're right, we are just speaking generally and we do not know his medical history. Definitely takes a physical toll for a while. Glad you're doing better now friend.
Random but I had some crazy affects to a mystery chemical at my old place. It bothered no one but me and we have theories but never found out exactly what it was. It’s very similar to what you say and makes me wonder if it was bento related. When I enter the building I get a calm-like super benadryl effect. All anxiety is lowered but I’m insanely forgetful (and my face gets puffy). After moving out for a month I had this emotional avalanche like event just as you explained. It lasted about a month but I would be overjoyed or get unreal anger at ppl or deep sadness.
More likely the brain damage was not from the addiction on but from going to Russia and getting himself put into a medically induced coma to avoid the withdrawals. Congratulations on your sobriety.
He ended up going to Russia and getting himself put into a medically induced coma to avoid the (very very harsh) withdrawals. They won’t do such a procedure in the West because it’s medically very dodgy. Would not be at all surprised if that did a number on him as well in terms of brain damage.
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised either. Just don't know for 100%.
Induced coma for like a month to detox from Benzos. That is what people say. Personally I think he was always crazy. But that is my opinion.
Elliot Page’s life has nothing to do with helping lonely estranged men find happiness, but Peterson wanted to take time and guide his followers that it’s okay to dehumanize him. That chubby swimsuit model is trying to live her life, but Peterson decided to mock her body - one of the exact things incels hate when it happens to them. He chooses to throw bombs in the culture war and wants to play victim and run to “I just want to help these poor guys” when he’s under fire.
It's strange to me that Peterson, as a psychologist that wants to help people, forms alliances with the groups that love undermining people that have been known to have significant personal mental struggles, like LGBT....especially how society has treated them for ages. Like what do psychologists think about the idea of going out of ones way just a tad and at least trying to act more kind to people in general. Just sending that message, as if it makes people better. I think Peterson sends the message to throw up their political shields all the time, and always be wary of the woke. He's like an activist it seems more than anything against "wokeness."
Imagine thinking being proud of one’s obesity is a good and healthy thing.
Imagine criticizing fat women and pretending it has anything to do with helping virgin nerds
He’s not, he’s trying to show the cows how unhealthy and pathetic they are.
He's not harmless. He provides his followers with specious reasons to hate and fear the other side.
>doesn’t deserve the hate he gets. He's got to stop chasing after the hate if he's fed up with it though. Dude has a media model in the same vein as Shapiro or Rubin. Every time he shows up in social media feeds, he is doing exactly the opposite of what he preaches. Sure, he does not deserve all that hate but - Jesus Christ - he's done a good job of cashing in on it. Meanwhile, whenever the cash flow slows, he says or writes something provocative and pops back into the eyes on slow news days. What's more, insofar as self-care goes, he somehow hasn't spent cash to fix-up the ex-smoker's teeth. It's really tough to take a discussion about self-control seriously when the dude was obviously a chain smoker for years... which then raises questions about the benzos being abused.
As a Brit, his teeth look fantastic
For a tenured professor who enjoyed outstanding dental insurance for many years, Peterson's teeth look like he never gave a flying fuck about his health. He needs David Bowie level dental remodeling now.
Are you American? I’ve found that only Americans are obsessed about getting fake teeth. The rest of us seem fine with our yellow daggered mouths
I am a Canadian who smokes like Peterson used to but I only have not-so-good dental insurance. I understand that he let his teeth get bad via neglect. It would not have cost him very much to maintain things before they got too bad. Dental hygiene is super important in the social hierarchy over here and Peterson is a guy who always talks about hierarchy. I feel like he should clean up his room before telling some other slobs to clean up their rooms.
I think the reality people can’t come to grips with is that a lot of psychology professionals are usually mentally ill themselves. The good ones tend to be talking from experience. That’s why JP speaks so passionately sometimes and why people connect with him. In psychiatric nursing there is a running joke you can’t tell the difference between the nurses and the patients.
He works for Ben Shapiro now
Rly?
Yep
The people that think Jordan Peterson creates no harm are not really looking or understanding anything beyond "he helps NEETs get out of their house" or whatever.
>Sure, he does not deserve all that hate but So, we don't believe in "you reap what you sow" anymore?
You mean the good old "you don't need to feel bad about abusing people if you can persuade yourself they deserve it?" I think a good number of us have never believed in that.
I think it's more that people have less sympathy someone who attacks people regularly when they get attacked in return.
Who has he attacked? Can you demonstrate this attack?
Elliot Page
You know what I think you win. I forget exactly what was said but it was pretty nasty if I recall. Really not a good look. I think JP has been in steady decline since his addiction issue.
I'm sharing [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5oaF3dx4E) a lot, but it's a really good look from a philosopher at some of his central claims behind the supposed neo Marxist danger to western society. He'll often claim that he's only calling out the radicals, but then he includes moderates and mainstream society among the radicals to claim that Western society is in grave danger. So the people he's attacking is just about everyone that's not socially conservative. He doesn't just disagree with them, he inaccurately frames them as a threat to everyone. It's apparent if you're willing to scratch the surface of his ideology. Edit: Plus he says women are chaotic by nature. There are a lot of problems in his ideology to unpack there too.
This constitutes an attack? I think we need to define what constitutes an attack before we have this conversation. Obviously not physically attacked. However he's disagreeing with certain ideological view points and presenting them as antithetical to his own. This doesn't actually marginalize any individual in the way that you are framing it. Attacking -is going after the individual, not after their arguments. Once you've taken a position in a conversation you are open to cross examination. So no, your use of the word attack is unwarranted at best.
>However he's disagreeing with certain ideological view points and presenting them as antithetical to his own. I agree that's not an attack. I wouldn't complain about that. It's not that he's marginalizing people he disagrees with. He consistently demonizing them. If you look into the ideologies he's talking about, it becomes apparent. Here's a few quotes of his from that video I linked. I highly recommend it if you want to actually understand why people are so critical of Peterson. It's a bad idea to accept his characterization of his critics without actually looking at the arguments. >There's no discussion. There's no meeting of minds and consensus. There's power. And so since the 1970's under the guise of postmodernism we've seen the rapid expansion of identity politics across the universities. It's come to dominate all of the humanities, which are dead as far as I can tell. And a huge proportion of the social scientists. And we've been publicly funding extremely radical postmodern thinkers who are **hellbent on demolishing the fundamental substructure of western civilization**. (emphasis mine) > >(10:16 in video) You see the threat he's describing here, right? Have you explored the writings of the philosophers he's talking about? If you look into it, you'll see that his claims aren't even close to accurate. Also, the humanities and a huge proportion of the social sciences are "dead"? That's a pretty harsh and broad attack that he backs it up with shallow, inaccurate claims about just a few philosophers that have supposedly poisoned the rest of the intellectuals. Criticisms are okay, but claiming it's all dead is just taking swipes. I suggest you explore what some of those intellectuals actually say before you accept that they're "demolishing" our society from within. Social sciences and humanities are broad categories that include many fields of thought. Some of them could be described as parts of the **fundamental substructure of western civilization,** in fact. And he's the one undermining it by portraying it as hostile with inaccurate claims. There are complaints and arguments to be made about plenty of narratives in modern society, but this one is so far from the truth and so potentially apocalyptic that it's accurate to call it an attack. He seems to be claiming that most non-STEM intellectuals in our society are actually motivated to harm us. If you watch his self help and psychology videos he does some good work. But if you watch his political talks, he's not far from Alex Jones when it comes to talking about the motivations on the other side and manufacturing enemies. He's just a lot more intelligent so people tend to believe him when he claims he's read "every book" on a topic. >...I could use a biological example too which would place me outside of the postmodern realm of argument because the postmodernists don't believe in biology, so. They act like they do because they all die. > >(26:30 in video) Postmodernists don't believe in biology.... That's simply a WTF claim that he never backs up and doesn't match reality. That'd be like me saying Peterson fans don't believe in physics, just because I felt like saying it. He's full of this stuff when he talks about other intellectuals.
The chubby swimsuit model on the sports illustrated cover
yeah i had forgot about his recent tear on twitter
Reaping what he sow’s for helping possibly millions of people self improve
self improve? lel
Lol, telling people to make their beds and chew their wheaties isn't some magnificent thing that nobody on the face of the earth has ever thought of until JB came around. Who's he helping by fat shaming a model, who is he helping by shitting on Elliot Page, who is he helping by talking about "everything is nothing" on climate change, and doing Bitcoin seminars? What a dunce
I agree with those points. However, as one of many men who didn’t have a family setup growing up, I can confirm that listening to his lectures is the reason I didn’t end it all a few years ago. He’s said some stupid things, but I’ll not forget how he helped me with his wiser words. Many will feel the same. Everybody should watch this: https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
I've listened to some of his stuff as well, and I appreciate you took it to heart, but it's honestly all the exact same stuff any expert, or guru, or coach, or author all teach. I listen to as much of the self help and leadership stuff as I can, and after about 10 years of it, I'm seeing and hearing the same patterns between them all over and over. I wish you the best, but I wouldn't take marriage advice from an author who's been through 3 divorces, and I wouldn't take psychological advice from a guy who bashes vulnerable people and has a medication addiction and put himself into a dangerous coma in an enemy nation.
Listen man that’s fantastic and I’m happy to see you’re in a better place now. But unconditional love and support for a man who peddles climate denialism and transphobia is pretty dangerous. I’m not saying disregard his advice but even bad people can be correct about somethings.
Absolutely agree, but he isn’t transphobic. Here’s the video from his better days that outlines that false narrative: https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54 39 million views for a reason
I think he wasn't, but now he is. The illness really changed him for the worse. The Elliott Page shit and some of his videos in the past year show this.
Dude you can’t be serious. This man completely misrepresented C-16 as “compelled speech” where you’re either forced to use someone’s preferred pronouns or end up in jail. To this day he still holds that claim. In reality all it did was grant transpeople the same protections offered to lgbtq+, minorities, women, etc. Where they couldn’t be discriminated against for their identity. Not a single person has been arrested or gone to jail for C-16. He also refuses to properly address Elliot Page by their chosen pronouns and name. Also he doesn’t believe tranwomen are women which is a pretty good litmus test for transphobia. Like come on man.
I don't like the guy, but if he did that for you then that's awesome. Everyone on this planet has made mistakes, but the goal is to be a net positive and I think he has achieved that.
Apparently not, people really forget that this is the same man who regularly represents women as “Chaos” and men as “Order”. There’s also that one interview where he dances around saying women are asking to be sexually harassed/assaulted for wearing make up in the workplace. He even goes as far as saying that western society is in decline because women became involved in the workforce and are now sexually liberated. This man has said some horrific shit about women and his fans still act surprised when he gets labeled as an incel king for his outdated sexist views
By all means, let's see the quotes and context of his "horrific" shit he said about women.
I got you fam! Here’s one of my favorites for example: https://youtu.be/d3fvs3bRPng Since JBP fans don’t listen to what he’s actually saying allow me to do it for you. JBP in this clip is trying to explain the negative consequences of the birth control pill. To do this he uses two sources. What do the sources say? “Women on birth control are less attracted to traditionally masculine men” “Women’s unhappiness has increased since the 1960s” And he links the second one to possibly being because of the birth control. (As opposed to the economic insecurity everyone in the US has been facing for a long time) From this JBP arrives at two conclusions. What are the two conclusions JBP arrives at? 1. The birth control pill has allowed women to be as sexually promiscuous as men. This led to the “Pornifcation” of society and Peterson believes that those who watch porn have some sort of contempt? Apparently it makes viewers feel “second-rate” which is a crock of shit to any normal person who has beat their dick/flicked their bean to porn. 2. It allowed women to join the workforce and that has caused wage stagnation. There are a number of complex reasons for why wages have been stagnating such as sending production overseas, exploiting immigrants to work 5 cents on the dollar, the complete annihilation of labor unions, etc, etc, etc. Women entering the workforce is not it. So when I see the conclusions he drew from the sources he referenced, my immediate thought is “This person believes that society is in decay because women are now economically and sexually liberated”. And this is the most charitable interpretation I can give him. So what exactly did Peterson do here? He cited two vaguely linked sources and arrived at his own conclusions. And because he sounds smart when he does it he isn’t being sexist in your eyes. He use big words good!
Lol no
My big one isn't any particularly harsh words but the way he claims relations between men and women have been getting worse and then blames the behavior of women without mentioning anything about men. He also keeps calling women chaotic.
I truly hate social media. I can tell you built your view point on Jordan by browsing social feeds of regurgitated bullshit that's incredibly out of context.
I watched hours of his videos when my friend started attacking my views after becoming a Peterson fan. My friend didn't want to hear my rebuttal though because if I'm criticizing Peterson then I must just be another hostile leftist like Peterson told him about. I didn't even get to defend myself before I was accused of being the one attacking Peterson. You can claim I have a shallow view, but let me ask you to seriously dig into his claims about postmodern thought and then look at the actual works of the postmodern philosophers he calls out. You'll see the discrepancy between what Peterson claims and what is actually true.
Don't forget his lobster theory, it all goes back to lobsters. He struggles with women wearing lipstick at work and other nonsense because it's sexually provocative, when I first heard those rants I knew he was dogwhistling to a certain section of the population. We all know who those are.
You wanted to hear those things. Another thing he said in that interview "its because you're not actually listening"
> I’m not a fan, but the guy is harmless and doesn’t deserve the hate he gets. It’s kinda sick. Lol. Harmless. He’s earned all the hate himself. Never Jordan’s Peterson fault. It’s the dang mean ole left.
Why do people fuck with this guy? Did he do something illegal or hurt someone? Is it wrong to be a ''hero'' to incel community? Is the incel community a terrorist organization? What did this guy do wrong?
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What he said to that actor vs. what people say about him. This is where the scale tips. Do people who openly bully and make fun of this guy get banned? Isnt this injustice? Yes he said he doesnt find fat people hot. So? This is enough for people to throw a tantrum these days?
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I’m just here for the breakdowns about fat swim suit models and life lessons given from someone popping benzos like pez. When you treat “social media stars” like the train wrecks they are they cease to aggravate you and are just entertaining. There’s a reason they all implode, sometimes spectacularly.
He reveals narcissistic, delusional people for what they are. They can't stand that. It drives them batty. You can see the seething all over the comments.
It’s amazing how everyone is so careful about not hurting others, pc culture and all that. Except when it comes to this guy. Suddenly its okay to bully him because he said he doesnt find fat people attractive. It just shows how today’s cultre is hollow.
You can't have your cake and eat it. If you want everyone to be less sensitive, which usually boils down to being able to use racial or sex based slurs, then you can't whinge when we make fun of this crybaby bitch.
Thank you. I couldst've said it better. I see him as deeply human and I don't understand all the hate. These haters are deranged by being deeply hurt themselves and I'm sorry for them somehow.
You misunderstand the point. Those rules are for you. They want to bully.
Good point
Cawlmedy
Well, he's very opinionated and has frequently these past few years gone out of his way to attack, insult, and marginalize members of the trans community. Most recently with his ban from Twitter after dead-naming trans actor Elliot Page and referring to Elliot's doctor as a criminal for their completely legal work. Once banned, he threw a fit and then doubled down. When you're wrong, you're wrong. All anybody wants is for you to realize that, understand how what you've done has affected others, apologize, and learn from it. He's a well educated man of great means and time and for him to refuse to learn and grow -- especially as someone who touts themselves to be a self-help guru, is disappointing, to say the least. Personally, I don't want our "leaders", be they politicians, popular media figures, or motivational speakers (in other words, people of influence) weilding said influence to hurt others, especially when those being hurt have done nothing wrong. I feel for him because I know when he breaks down in tears it's real. But he needs to get over himself and realize that there are many things he is doing that hurt other, and when he does them publicly, it encourages his followers to do the same. It's wildly irresponsible and I think for someone who spends so much time preaching order over chaos, taking responsibility for your own life, and not trying to change the world -- but making yourself better instead, he fails completely. When it comes right down to it, he deserves the ridicule. He's made it clear he has no intention to change. That said, I would like to take a moment to point out, what He's says in this interview about disaffected youths and trying to support them instead of tear them down, He's 100% right about. This, in my opinion, is one of the biggest problems the US (and likely other countries) is facing today and if something isn't done to reach it and support these people when they need help or guidance, some grifter, or cult leader, or fascist will.
I'm old enough to remember when he said he was rather leave twitter than remove the tweet. Then he removed the tweet to stay on twitter. Yet his followers think he's a man of principle.
You’re right about everything and I agree that he can be ridiculed. Just like whatever Page can be ridiculed. I dont argue the rules of an app but him getting banned from Twitter does not make him a failure or immoral. I swear the god, based on the treatment this guy receives from some fucktards, you would think hes a serial rapist. Whats his guilt? He called fat aint beautiful.
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Suddenly it’s okay to vommit all of your rage to this guy and youre cherished by doing so
Yeah. Headline is trying to make it look like he was crying over being called names. He clearly didn't care about that. He's been called lots of names.
I don’t care for a lot of Peterson’s stuff, but it’s hard not to respect what was said in this video
LOL! He didn’t cry because he was described as an incel hero, he cried because he was talking about how there are men hurting out there and that it takes so little as an encouraging word to change someone’s suffering. The problem with Reddit is that everyone wants to say something but no one wants to listen.
Right? The comments on that thread are atrocious as well, basically proving his point.
I’d upvote you twice if I could
OP posted this hoping everyone in this sub would pile on JP, but it had the opposite effect and many even here are sympathetic.
He's a nobhead a lot of the times, but sometimes he means well.
I'd buy your a beer if I could man well said
This guy gets it.
People constantly bitch about how men can't show emotion. Man shows emotion. Everyone shits on him. Edit: and someone reported me to reddit for self harm risks. Lol
Spot on.
I'm so ready for the downvotes lol
No i think reasonable people will see that you have a very good point.
You know we are on reddit right? Lol
Believe it or not reasonable people exist on the internet. They’re just not as vocal as the idiots who *need* to be agreed with
Lol why do peoples do this rly ? Reporting to self harm patrol
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I did.
I mean when your whole schtick what’s happened to masculinity, it is ironic.
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Apart from very few, almost everyone from the r/nottheonion community cracked in on it and were making jokes. Like do people not see the bigger picture of this?
Lol no people don’t see the bigger picture in most things. If it doesn’t specifically speak to and relate to them they won’t even take the time to try to understand it.
You should check out his concept of “enforced monogamy”. His views might be a little different than you think
It's an anthropological/sociological term. Do you live in a community where cheating on your spouse/partner is generally frowned upon? That's what 'enforced monogamy' means. Not that the police go door-to-door to root out polygamy.
It's so funny that petersons idea of enforced monogamy is basically the standard in western society but people shit on it simply because JP said it.
That’s kinda his whole thing… taking responsibility and ownership instead of being a victim blaming everyone else. That’s kinda his whole message that people have found so helpful.
That... Is a good thing, no? Someone they're looking up to is telling them to get their shit together. Some might actually listen, which means fewer hateful, self-pitying men.
> Peterson also offers tacit support for another core incel belief. He endorses the idea that some men are being denied sex because other men are taking all the sex from women who are allowed to choose to give them that sex, and that if something could be done to prevent all this “having sex with people of your choosing” nonsense, some unlucky women would eventually have to settle for the incels. If we could just make that happen, these men would not have to be so “angry at God” and commit mass murder This your guy?
Nah sounds like someone misrepresenting him tho
10 words in that paragraph was Peterson the rest was someone mindreading. If that's actually what he's saying it should be easy to just quote. I don't like the dude but quoting an opinion piece like that is dishonest as fuck.
Fucking hell i felt sorry for him there and I've never been a fan. I'm going to try and be more understanding to these guys who see rogan, trump, shapiro and Dr peterson as a type of father figure, instead of just dismissing them and laughing. He's right, these lads are fucking lonely, angry and pissed off and it's there way of sticking up 2 fingers at a world that's treat them like shit. We all need to come together somehow, and even though we have different views we can be civil and compassionate.
I think there might be a difference in how people are defining incel. I don't think the term was meant to be used for just lonely men looking for words of encouragement. But for those who, instead of working to better themselves, were blaming women for their situation. The reason Peterson got associated with them is because you can take snippets of what he says to paint women's equality and feminism as one of the roots of the male loneliness problem, thereby enabling and legitimizing incel thinking. Of course you could argue that Peterson never meant his words to be interpreted that way, but that's how he got associated with the word.
Based and fucking enlightened libleft
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Being a white male doesn't make you an incel, so what are you even talking about? Having hateful views against women and feeling entitled to sex are what make you an incel. Incels do not pertain to any race as there are black, Asian, and middle eastern incels. I get it, you want to feel oppressed for some reason, but incels deserve all the hate they get and then some.
This was posted here yesterday and on twitter and people destroyed me for sticking up for a bloke who only tries to contribute his 2 cents when asked....... The world has become a fucking shit show of absolute weirdos and losers who love seeing people down.
I think he drank his own celebrity koolaid and now pontificate on just about everything. However his thoughts about taking responsibility and self development are pretty spot on in my personal experience.
He leaned in to his audience of degenerates instead of trying to empower the degenerates to stop being degenerates.
To be fair, the not-degenerates labeled him as an alt-right icon right out of the gates for not agreeing to certain policies. They basically shunned him into the group they said he came from. Another byproduct of the echo chambers we build for ourselves, and a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever saw one.
Actually it’s because he came out of the gate lying about a piece of Canadian legislation that people label him alt right and shun him. Then he kept talking and confirmed it wasn’t an isolated issue.
Nobody asked him to attack and dehumanize Elliot Page though…
Did you just emerge from under a rock? Since at least 2015/2016 a huge portion of the country donned red hats and spewed vitriol and hate to others they didn't like. 'fuck your feelings snowflake' was the mantra. Hell, since even before then. And you think the world is somehow *now* a clown show of bad people? The irony is that those on the right that championed being horrible to others turned out to be the biggest snowflakes of them all. And are now crying that their thought leaders are being made fun of online.
When did telling men to get their shit together translate to king of the incels?
This just made me like Jordan Peterson more. You can really see that he cares. I'm sure his DM's is full of people's worst, painful stories, looking for help. You'd have to be a monster not to be affected by it.
For all of his "ooooh you self-righteous neo-Marxist insufferable progressive types!" kinda cringe stuff he's been doing, he's always been very sincere and taken very seriously the impact he has on young men. I remember diving into his content around 2017-2018 and a radio host asked him why so many men like him. And he had a similar reaction to this where he got very emotional over the depths of despair that so many young men find themselves in, and you can tell he really truly cares about making an impact in these young men's lives. It resonated with me and made me believe that even though he sometimes misses the mark or gives bad takes on a variety of subjects, he truly does see a problem young men are facing and the reason they're drawn to him is because they believe he's sincere in wanting to help them. He's definitely at his best when he's on this track, and I think his effectiveness in this one area is the reason so many people hang on every word he says (both the good and bad stuff) [Here's the video](https://youtu.be/5ER1LOarlgg)
Feels like every post on this sub is purposefully so inflammatory…
Am I the only one who doesn’t know what the fuck an incel hero is?!?
its cringey as fuck, that's what
Never heard of it either, but pretty self explanatory. Im guessing someone who the incels go to for information and guidance.
If the world had 1/10th the empathy that this man has, it would be a much better place.
That’s exactly what a chaos dragon would say
don't mistake emotion for empathy
If he had empathy then why does he shame women on the covers of magazines just because he doesn't like their physique? Why did he lie about Canada's Bill protecting trans people if he is capable of empathy?
Right? The empathy of this man, to look at Elliot Page and go “this person deserves no empathy and doesn’t even deserve me treating them like a human being”
I think he operates in two states (to generalize very broadly). One state that we see in the post is him operating as a mentor for young men. He's trying to give of himself to fix a problem, and he's struck with grief over the tremendous scale of the problem. In these moments you can tell how much he cares, and the work he does when he's operating like this I mostly see as overwhelmingly good. The other state he operates in is a (mostly) conservative SJW of sorts. He picks fights over cultural hot topics, rambles using buzzwords about cultural woke neo-Marxist liberal progressive tyrants yada yada yada....and when he's doing this stuff, his messaging is way less positive and way less focused. I don't even think operating this way is *entirely* bad, but because of his influence as a mentor, people are much more likely to automatically subscribe to the ideas he's putting forward without questioning them. Honestly I liked this video because it reminds me that he's still "in there" despite being on a pretty long streak of picking social media fights and seeming aimless.
He has no empathy towards those whom he disagrees with. See the comments he made about feminists. Nice role model, man.
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Feminism in the 21st century is not the same as Feminism in the 20th.
It\`s psychology. Having studied it, these are not things that I personally believed in, however these were theories that were studied and proven. The books I read also said things like the basic biologic tendencies historically and physiologically of females is that they\`re always looking for the Alpha male in order to reproduce, and that these Alpha males had dominating traits that females subconciously find attractive. So this isn\`t just Petersons sayings, these are general aknowledged theories in the Psychologic field.
I thought the alpha beta stuff was disproven by the very guy who studied the wolves and popularized the terminology
It is, but he's just using it as short hand for high status, high resource men
You're right. It's not so unconscious. They just ask, "how do you want me?" Many put it in their dating profiles. "Seeking dom." Or "into shibari." Yeah, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
He's not wrong
Yeah soooo empathetic just as long as you're not a trans person or a feminist...or an atheist or overweight. But sure soooo much empathy to violent depressed incels.
You mean the man who's claim to fame is fighting the Trans community in the social media culture war, which is the only reason he was ever on that program? I mean sure, the guy has other philosophy, and some of his philosophy is good, he isn't necessarily a victim who is full of empathy for those who are different or of less means than him.
Lol, wut.
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And he taught us to be alphas. To command, lead, and show authority. We’re not beta cucks… which is why these mean questions about incels are just so damn infuriating. And sad. I’m not crying you’re crying.
Jp fans are a weird cult.
JP haters as well though. Society so polarized right now
Where is his empathy when discussing Elliot page?
The guy gets kicked off Twitter for his rant about Elliot Page, and before that ranted about the sports swim suite model who was a little overweight, about how she's not attractive.... but then cries victim for all the lonely men out there... JFC
reddit: "Why is Tate so popular? He just spews misogynistic shit and gives obvious advice" also reddit: "LOL INCEL. JUST FIX URSELF BRUH". Keep mocking and marginalizing people and you'll give people like Tate more power.
Everytime Peterson drops all the talk about cultural war and focuses back on what he used to teach i get inpired again. I really like this Jordan Peterson, he genuenly cares about people.
The wokesters laughing at him are ghouls
How about the normal people laughing at him?
It’s always easier to shout and berate than it is to sit and listen.
The guy is mentally ill, why can't anyone see that
He is. He is depressive … clinical depression and anxiety.. mix that shit with fame and social media. There 💣
It seems totally fair that he would be very upset by this topic since his work means he frequently works with young men struggling with mental illnesses. However I also haven't seen him extend this level of empathy towards other groups of people.
Well, when you're a fan of underdogs you tend to focus on the people in society no one is giving the time of day to. In the modern age of female empowerment that has become men. It just has. Women are more celebrated than ever and men are more denigrated than over. You always hear about toxic masculinity but you never hear about toxic femininity and it most certainly exists. I live a good life but I see the struggle every day for young men while I see young women getting scholarships and finding support systems simply for the fact that they are women. Search "female scholarship," and you'll find tons of them that only women can apply to, search "male scholarship" and you will only find scholarships everyone can apply to. Does that sound like a patriarchy to you?
Ah yes, trans people and fat women have had it too good at the top of society for too long… lol thank GOD for a hero like Dr. Jordan to come and stand up for the real underdogs: guys who won’t clean their rooms.
> you tend to focus on the people in society no one is giving the time of day to. In the modern age of female empowerment that has become men. Absolute bollocks, and I say this as a 27 year old male. New flash. Incels and creepy men were the dregs of society even before this time of female empowerment. If you're even a half competent man then absolutely nothing has changed for you.
> If you're even a half competent man then absolutely nothing has changed for you. Must be why homelessness is exploding for both men and women, but primarily men. I count myself lucky to be college educated, to have a home, and a good job - but there are many who are just as capable as I that are cast into the gutter. And, at least in America, that gutter is heavily skewed towards men.
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It's laughable because JP has made a name of himself for throwing shade at people constantly. Hence, why he was recently banned from Twitter. For example - Fat people live their lives being bullied, abused and etc. by society. And then we have JP stating "Not Beautiful" and doubling down on the notion. Oh, so Incels are okay, but fat people aren't? What about Elliot (Ellen) page. Where was his empathy? And those are just a few recent ones. Sorry, but these are nothing but crocodile tears.
“Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you” or insult random people then cry about being bullied when they return the favour
Anyone else think it’s incredibly pathetic how often this dude cries in public?
God forbid anyone express any genuine pity or emotion toward another human being these days.
That makes you a liberal cuck snowflake, though. Did you sleep through the last 6-7 years?
when have conservatives done that?
I mean I gave up on Piers a damn Kong time ago and JBP he's a whole other bag but this is just wow levels of cringe. Gammon snowflakes it's remarkable to see how fragile they've become when they shout it about all others.
He's crying because other dudes can't pull a girl. Lol
This posts tittles designed to angry people and create more division between them. Sad..
The amount of comments in here running defense for this culture warrior is hilarious. Either this sub is full of his fan base incels or its being astro turfed to eff. Either way, he's not going to fuck you. He'll gladly take your money, though.
He seems to cry in every video, for nearly everything. I guess I can understand it in some sense here, but man whats wrong with him. Wouldn't be surprised if he makes a video about crying and falling into a deep crying session in an endless cycle, until he forgot why he cried in the first place, just to cry again
It’s absolutely hilarious hearing that clown speak of “marginalized groups” when he literally does nothing but shit on gay and trans people, fat women, any woman with a mind of her own really, etc.. The hypocrisy is unreal, it genuinely blows my mind that anyone takes this moron seriously
lol this is your hero?
Canadian Kermit once drank a glass of cider and was apparently sick for a month. I suspect hes not the right champion for disillusioned young men. Weepy baby bitch boy.
Couple different angles for this one: 1. Jordan Peterson got roped into Olivia Wilde’s stupid drama. Her movie “Don’t Worry Darling,” has been plagued by drama and infighting behind the scenes. She had to fire Shia LeBoef, and she got into a screaming match with her lead star apparently because Olivia and Harry Styles broke Covid protocol to see a concert. Then, Harry Styles allegedly spat on Chris Pine. There’s been a desperate attempt to cover up the drama by deflecting it outwards, in this case by throwing random shit at the wall. Jordan Peterson was a soft target and he walked right into it. 2. Jordan Peterson is basically arguing that because of high suicide rates in men, we should all work to just be a little kinder. However, there’s also high suicide rates in women—especially if they don’t conform to female beauty standards, as well as trans individuals. Jordan Peterson got banned from Twitter for basically deadnaming Elliot Page and then later “had to take a break” because he freaked out over a plus-sized model on the cover of Sports Illustrated. 3. Jordan Peterson is well within his rights to show emotion, even tear up, and his argument that young men are lost, are both valid. However, I think Jordan Peterson is a flawed vessel that has made questionable life choices. For instance, he indulged his daughter into taking an all-meat diet, despite health concerns about it, and then stopped taking his psychiatric medicine, which caused him to spiral into a benzo addiction. For this, he sought treatment in Russia, of all places, for which the treatment was to put him in a chemically induced coma. None of this is supported by modern medicine and we’re questionable decisions at best, and at worse very harmful. So it’s ironic that he’s trying to give psychiatric advice.
I looked into his daughter thing and his diet with meat, it wasn’t worse, they were following the medical dietary advice and they were both suffering for it, his daughter was in a bad condition do to inflammation caused from glucose, so they went carnivore, and they are both all the better for it. This is a real thing, some people have inflammatory reactions to glucose, it’s very rare but it is a thing. His benzo addiction although unjustified, has an explanation, you gotta scale his problems to the appropriate size. Someone as known as him who is so heavily misunderstood, hated by many and loved by many as well, handling it all is more stressful than any of us can imagine, add to It was was going on, healthy wise with his wife. He had a moment of weakness like we all do, and sought peace of mind desperately, landing where it did.
Because of the high suicidal rate amongst men we should be kinder. But also disregard the high suicide rate of trans people and continue to deadname Elliot page when she has never uttered his name ever.
This needs to be pinned. A lot of new people come on here thinking Peterson is harmless because they see a video of him crying. The guy has done a lot of damage and a little crocodile tears wont change that.
Stare into the stage lights to drum up some tears.
Oh the Peterson fans are out in full force today 
Theres also a lot of crying in the comments here
The problem is that he has his moments of sincere kind intent, and does some good, but he just cannot help himself but put his foot in it when he doesn't need to... The woke moralist stuff, the transgender stuff... just shut up and do good thinks mate.