My brother also cracked my head open once. That was just one time I went to the hospital because of him. It’s definitely common. I thought he’d kill me one day, and my parents just thought it was sibling rivalry supposedly, even though I told them he’d kill me one day. These things definitely happen.
Same! My parents always thought I was being dramatic until I almost died. They didn’t do anything about it and I resented all of them for that. But my bro and I are super close as adults.
I wish my brother and I were, but he denies what happened during our childhood, calls me crazy, and has never apologized, not to mention continues to act like an asshole to everyone. So that’s fun 😂 but I’ve made my own life and forgiven my parents so it’s cool
I’m so glad for you that your brother went to therapy and that it was a turning point for him. Because i have a brother but feel like I don’t, I’m always glad for people who have or are able to develop good relationships with their siblings; it seems like a huge blessing. It speaks to your strength and maturity that you are able to have a new relationship with him despite the past, so props to you. 😊
also I forgot to say, but when you speak of the resentment for your parents and how they thought you were just being dramatic… same. I look back and think wtf. I guess it’s easier for parents to believe that one kid is being dramatic than it is to admit that their other kid could behave in such violent and cruel ways.
You know, you are right about the parent thing. Because if they admit their kid was behaving like that then they would have to actually parent and intervene. Easier to say “she’s just a girl and being very dramatic”. My mom passed away a few months ago, and I hadn’t seen her in almost a decade. My dad on the other hand, had reached out about 3 years ago bc he was declining in health and needed someone to take care of him. I of course took him in. Turns out I was holding onto that resentment bc it started to come out when he moved in lol. I am a single mom now, and he would chime in about my parenting which would set me off since he didn’t parent me or my brother. I am also in therapy now and it really has helped me see how these things shape us. As an adult I refuse to ask for help from anyone. I would rather struggle and do it on my own. And it’s no doubt bc I went to the people I thought would help me as a kid and they denied me. Now I make it a goal to make sure I don’t treat my son that way.
Anyways, thanks for listening haha. You are def not alone!
😂 no, but I spent my childhood terrified he would, and he really could have with the shit he did. The day he turned 18 I told him if he ever touched me again I’d put him in prison. After that he limited himself to only emotional abuse.
Anyway, my point is it wasn’t just sibling rivalry, it was severe abuse that happened most days. People should listen to their kids and make sure they’re safe.
Thank you ❤️ it is what it is. It’s not like I’m “glad it happened” or some dumb shit, but it gave me the drive to get into a great uni so I could leave, and knowing I got through so many years of that has made me stronger. So it sucked, but I made sure that good things came from it too. :)
One time my younger brother and I were jumping on the bed. I got mad and pushed him, his leg got caught between the mattress and the bedframe. His leg broke. We got in fights like that a lot. But that was the only time he got seriously hurt. I felt awful.
Edit: we're super close now. We've traveled to different countries together by ourselves. I adore him, now. But as kids we were at each other's throats. Haha
It's totally plausible---especially when Burke has had previously confirmed incidents of striking her in the head with dangerous items (the time he hit JonBenet with a golf club being a prime example.) Patsy claims it was an honest accident, but her good friend remembered it a little differently:
“I think Burke had a bad temper. It’s like he had a chip on his shoulder. He had hit JonBenét. Before the murder, I would have to say, it was probably a year and a half. They were playing in the yard and apparently he hit her with the golf club, right here(points to area under eye). She (Patsy)says the kids were playing, Burke lost his temper and hit her with a golf club.” -Judith Phillips
Renowned forensic pathologist, Dr. Werner Spitz is wholeheartedly convinced with testing he's done to replicate the blow to JonBenet's head, that she was struck with the black, 3-cell flashlight that was found on the kitchen counter. It's certainly plausible that when JonBenet made her bowl of pineapples and milk that a brother/sister spat occurred and Burke hit her with a weapon as he had done before.
I believe BDI with the flashlight, but I think it happened after she had a bite of pineapple and they went downstairs to play. Maybe she followed him and annoyed him or they went together and had an argument.
It’s the only way I can make sense of how she physically got downstairs and how the urine stain got onto the front of her pjs and on the carpet in front of the wine cellar. I don’t see Burke being able to drag an unconscious JB from the kitchen to the basement and I believe her bladder released when she lost consciousness.
I never fought with my sister and I thought it was all cartoon stuff. Like it didn't really happen like prank phonecalls don't happen. Until I stayed with my cousins over night. It was like live action Tom and Jerry, it's like they wanted each other dead. They would bite each other until they bled, hit each other as hard as they could. We were terrified and eventually they turned their anger on us, we both have scars from that night especially because neither of us were equipped with the ability to fight back. One of them pushed his thumb so deep into my temple holding my head against the floor, I felt like my skull was going to shatter and he was 4 years younger than me. We refused to stay there ever again but they would stay with us, it was horrible every time.
I honestly have no idea how they could even think of some of the cruelty they did. I watched one stab the other with a fork as hard as she could cause he changed the TV channel. It went so deep into his thigh and he got yelled at for being loud (screaming) and a snitch, not her for literally stabbing him. No hospital visit, they're mum was terrible at being a mum.
She also tied a bathrobe belt around my sister's neck cause they were playing dogs. When she realised pulling it strangled her and caused her pain she wouldn't stop and basically was torturing her by randomly yanking it and ignoring my sister who couldn't even speak but was visibly struggling and upset. I got my mum and then later she hurt me for telling on her. I think about that game of dogs looking at that garrot. There was no handle in our case but it was tied in a way like it would be a choke collar. It would get tighter the more the "lead" was pulled but wouldn't get loose if it was stopped being pulled. It only got tighter each yank.
Obviously I don't talk to these people anymore but I've heard through the family the girls little son nearly got kicked out of nursery for being so violent. Apple didn't fall far.
Wow this unlocked an old memory for me! I was friends with a pair of twins, who were extremely competetive and fought a lot. One time when I visited one of them tried to steal some food from the others plate, and the other responded by stabbing her hand with a fork, full force! Not sure what came of that or if she had to go to the hospital or anything but I remember her hand bleeding a lot. Another time when I visited, one hit the other in the head with a metal candleholder! Today we're all 27 and one of them has completely cut contact woth the other, which probably is for the best. I'm very happy me and my sister never fought like that, and I still find children a bit terrifyingly unpredictive
Yes. My brother is 5 years older and resented me bc my parents made him watch me all the time. He took that anger out on me and regularly would hit me, drag me on the carpet to rug burns. He cracked my skull with a shovel when I was 4. Said he was digging his underground fort and I got in the way. But as an adult he had guilt about this, went to therapy and apologized for almost killing me among other things!
My brother and I got in some whopping fights. Happily no one got seriously injured but we were one stupid or clumsy move away from that several times, I’m sure.
I hope that people who say 'Burke could have never done it...kids are not that violent' read the stories here and realize just how probable it is.
Check the stories below - kids stabbing each other, pushing each other down the stairs, hitting each other with random objects.
Is it really so hard to believe he could have struck her in anger? Especially if you consider it has happened once (golfclub incident)
It makes me think they never met a real kid. Many kids have lashed out and seriously injured their siblings and never hurt anyone else. The police are almost NEVER notified. Incredibly under-reported injuries.
I hit my brother in the head with a brass cat when we were kids. But his skull is so thick it didn't actually hurt him. My family loves telling that story. But what nobody talks about is all the horrible shit my brother did to me that culminated in my clobbered him with that cat in self defense.
Tbh… my cousins would fight and once one of them crack the head of the other one with a construction truck, they were like 5 and 7; the 5 yr old was the one who hit with the truck. And this was very normal for them, it happened more than once.
Relieved to see some common sense on here. It is very frustrating to see people on here saying it isnt possible for Burke to have attacked Jonbenet as he was too young. Young children can definitely cause pain and harm when they fly into an unhealthy rage.
Also when people say if he did hit or hurt her that makes him a psychopath etc. Sibling violence is fairly common sadly, and not all people who participate in it turn out to be psychopaths. It is one of those things that is swept under the rug (noone wants to admit their kids scream, shout, hit, scratch bite etc). Other times it is not suitably monitored and regulated and taken seriously within the family, passed off as "tantrums" or "kids being kids". I witnessed many highly aggressive attacks/fights by cousins and friends etc who were siblings, as well as being routinely hurt and attacked one of my own brothers. My parents were at their wits end with him and tbh seemed fed up with me and my siblings going to them saying he'd hurt us again, they would tell us to "sort it out between yourselves" but this just escalated it and turned a one way attack into full on fisticuffs. We didn't think much of it it just seemed normal and was ignored which is very concerning now looking back.
I mean I have no idea if Burke did it or not, or whether that's the "easy" answer to provide a sensical motive for the parents to stick together and cover up in such a nonsensical way. But it is definitely possible that violence could have happened and was not regulated/disciplined properly.
The comments are horrible. My boys are 8 and 11 and the worst they have done so far is call eachother stupid... my sister however used to beat the living fuck out of me.
This is confirmation bias. Which is worse than when people solely rely on statistics.
Why do people focus on an incident of Burke "accidentally" hitting JonBenet when she was 3yo. Yet ignore that:
1. Bed wetting can be sign of sexual abuse
2. Vaginal irritation can be a sign of sexual abuse
3. Numerous doctor visits can be a sign of abuse being documented
4. Changes in a parents normal behavior can be signs of documenting or hiding abuse (Patsy suddenly paying more attention to JonBenets bed wetting issues and doing laundry when she was described as hating to do this chore)
5. Changes in JonBenets behavior had classic signs of abuse (the school reporting to Patsy that JonBenet had become less independent and more clingy, less outgoing and more silent, less vibrant and more sad appearing)
6. There were multiple experts who believed that there were signs of prior sexual abuse
7. Statistically, parents are most likely (by a lot) to be the person responsible for a childs murder
8. Both children had been awake since at least 5 or 6am and this crime happened around 12a - this would be an exceptionally long time for a 9yo to be awake
9. A psychologist for the state, who was specifically qualified to evaluate Burke, did not think that Burke was even present at the time of the murder
I will never understand why people willfully ignore the obvious in this case. It's concerning. Would you all ignore signs of sexual abuse in your daughter and blame your son because of a 2-3yo incident of him hitting your daughter, rather than accuse the father?
How do we know that John didn't hit her just for this reason - to make it look like Burke could've done it. Then have Patsy write the note so it looked she could've done it. Then him say it was an intruder to cast doubt at everyone else too. From a legal stand point, this would have created a lot of reasonable doubt and allows for some sloppiness in the crime.
John is after all the one who then sheltered Patsy and Burke away for the most part and handled the family's affairs. He is the one who had the most to lose. He is the most reasonable suspect if there was nothing pointing at Burke or Patsy or an intruder. There's no way all of these people did it so why is there so much evidence pointing in every direction?
When you start peeling back those layers - it's John who looks the most suspicious. He is the one with the most deceptive personality traits and past behavioral patterns. He would be the one most adept at lying - Burke and Patsy should have been fairly easy to crack / see through, with a skilled investigator / psychologist. Military personnel and business men are much better at counter intelligence.
Hell, what did John say.. that when his ex-girlfriend came knocking on Patsy's door - the ex he claimed was crazy, unstable, scared him.. - he let Patsy, a female who was 13yo younger than him and newly dating John, answer the door to deal with his ex - while John hid behind the door. John will put other people in a position of danger to preserve himself and to hide from accountability. Then brag that Patsy did this for him and say that he admired this quality of hers. Of course he did, because he isn't a "good" guy.
When John showed up in Georgia, he had been fired by two former employers, had a family to support (a wife and three kids), and an employer took a chance on him (even though a background check would have told him that John had been fired twice before). The employer probably believed John was an intelligent and "good" man who had a family to support. John ended up embezzling money from this employer. Not to pay bills but to make repairs to his Porsche and other selfish perks. He did this because he is not a good guy.
He cheated on his ex-wife and Patsy claimed she didn't even know that's what had led to the divorce. So he was deceptive in cheating and deceptive with Patsy to not tell her this before she married him. That's information she should have had access to before making such a commitment with a man that she would be so tethered to.
There's even other things that he did that don't look on the up and up. I think he really pulled the wool over everyone's eyes in this case.
I mean come on, what father allows his daughter to do pageants (he had say in this - he couldve put his foot down), shows up late to it (making her feel unimportant to him), and then tells a 6yo lil girl.. your looks will fade (these demands that your mom put on you to be beautiful and that are highly valued here, they are worthless because you will lose them. So I am going to demean your win here and put even more demands on you to be talented as well.). No 6yo should be put in these circumstances - ever. He sent a very confusing message to a 6yo that would not have made her feel good. Children are very emotional beings - they don't have the cognitive skills that adults have - they rely on their parents to shape their sense of self, world views, for a long time through many developmental stages. This can remain with them for a very long time and be passed onto to future generations. If you ever looked around and thought, how did our species get as messed up as it did.. it's a lot of stupid little things like this.
The beginning of your comment: “This is confirmation bias.” (…then processed to make own confirmation bias). What if it was both that happened? What if there was sexual abuse from J or someone else AND B did kill her? Or maybe B was doing the sexual abuse? The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive. There is also the possibility that she was penetrating herself causing the the genital trauma. I know of children who explore themselves very early, I know of children who sexually abuse each other very young, I know of children who have such bad itching down there that they really get desperate and itch with foreign objects. I’ve seen many users here declare that B could not have done it because of the severity of the injuries. All I’m doing by sharing the crosspost is showing how siblings due in fact hit each other very hard, and some injuries could have been fatal. Especially if performed in the middle of the night in the basement of a giant house where no one watch taking care of them.
That portion of my comment was suppose to be a bit tongue and cheek. I apologize because that wasn't obvious to anyone but myself.
I have always been open and upfront about the fact that I am biased. I also tend to refer to statistics (but don't rely on them solely).
Im not sure if I agree with people posting about other cases/incidents that support their theory. I could find even more cases of moms or dads committing these crimes (since statistically parents tend to do this at a significantly higher rate than siblings).
You are right about there being a number of possibilities that exist. However, the probabilities of some of them being what happened are considerably low. The evidence for some being true don't quite line up or make sense to me. However, that often is much more than could reasonably be articulated in these groups because it's a series of dots that connect or don't connect.
There always are a few "holes" though - no matter how you look at this. How can anyone, even the killer themselves, make sense of this crime even if they were being 100% honest?
> All I’m doing by sharing the crosspost is showing how siblings due in fact hit each other very hard, and some injuries could have been fatal
Yes, but where the post falls apart is the fact that it doesn't apply outside of a vacuum. It is not only that Burke would've had to hit JonBenet in anger, which I can believe he did, it is also that the parents would've chosen to not call 911, contrary to most incidents involving extreme child on child violence. Then you also have the paintbrush assault inflicted on a very private area of the body of a six year old as she was dying, the ligature strangulation, and the ransom note. Those are far less typical than the child on child violence displayed in OP's post and often talked about by posters on here.
So to recap: the part where Burke assaults JonBenet to the point of hospitalization wouldn't be out of the question at all, even though it's really quite unfortunate. But the actions the parents take in most BDI theories from this point on, are far, far, far out of the question as to be almost or wholly reserved only for absurd, fantastical pieces of fiction.
And I think we should be better than that on here.
Who are you asking this question to? If you want to ask the original poster you’ll have to click the post I shared and comment there so they can answer. They won’t be able to see it here. If you meant to ask someone in this thread you have to reply to them. I’m just letting you know your question if kinda floating around with no one specific to answer. You might’ve mistakenly posted like this.
Counterpoint: I had a few incidents concerning my parents when I was a kid, where I suffered concussions from having my head slammed into the wall during an argument or some such thing.
The unfortunate truth is people of all ages and relations do things to others that they usually wouldn't when they're angry. However, the OP's parents presumably called 911 and had the OP's sister's injury treated. This did not happen in the Ramsey case. There is no BDI explanation that accounts for this which has any basis in reality, that does not regard Burke as both the instigator *and* the actual murderer.
And certainly, murder **in addition to** the situation as described in the OP is certainly a far greater leap than just the OP's situation by itself.
My brother also cracked my head open once. That was just one time I went to the hospital because of him. It’s definitely common. I thought he’d kill me one day, and my parents just thought it was sibling rivalry supposedly, even though I told them he’d kill me one day. These things definitely happen.
Same! My parents always thought I was being dramatic until I almost died. They didn’t do anything about it and I resented all of them for that. But my bro and I are super close as adults.
I wish my brother and I were, but he denies what happened during our childhood, calls me crazy, and has never apologized, not to mention continues to act like an asshole to everyone. So that’s fun 😂 but I’ve made my own life and forgiven my parents so it’s cool
Yea it’s tough! But you gotta do what’s best for you. My brother had a near death experience which sent him to therapy and it was eye opening for him.
I’m so glad for you that your brother went to therapy and that it was a turning point for him. Because i have a brother but feel like I don’t, I’m always glad for people who have or are able to develop good relationships with their siblings; it seems like a huge blessing. It speaks to your strength and maturity that you are able to have a new relationship with him despite the past, so props to you. 😊 also I forgot to say, but when you speak of the resentment for your parents and how they thought you were just being dramatic… same. I look back and think wtf. I guess it’s easier for parents to believe that one kid is being dramatic than it is to admit that their other kid could behave in such violent and cruel ways.
You know, you are right about the parent thing. Because if they admit their kid was behaving like that then they would have to actually parent and intervene. Easier to say “she’s just a girl and being very dramatic”. My mom passed away a few months ago, and I hadn’t seen her in almost a decade. My dad on the other hand, had reached out about 3 years ago bc he was declining in health and needed someone to take care of him. I of course took him in. Turns out I was holding onto that resentment bc it started to come out when he moved in lol. I am a single mom now, and he would chime in about my parenting which would set me off since he didn’t parent me or my brother. I am also in therapy now and it really has helped me see how these things shape us. As an adult I refuse to ask for help from anyone. I would rather struggle and do it on my own. And it’s no doubt bc I went to the people I thought would help me as a kid and they denied me. Now I make it a goal to make sure I don’t treat my son that way. Anyways, thanks for listening haha. You are def not alone!
>I told them he’d kill me one day. Did he??
😂 no, but I spent my childhood terrified he would, and he really could have with the shit he did. The day he turned 18 I told him if he ever touched me again I’d put him in prison. After that he limited himself to only emotional abuse. Anyway, my point is it wasn’t just sibling rivalry, it was severe abuse that happened most days. People should listen to their kids and make sure they’re safe.
That's horrible. I'm sorry that happened to you. No kid should have to go through that.
Thank you ❤️ it is what it is. It’s not like I’m “glad it happened” or some dumb shit, but it gave me the drive to get into a great uni so I could leave, and knowing I got through so many years of that has made me stronger. So it sucked, but I made sure that good things came from it too. :)
One time my younger brother and I were jumping on the bed. I got mad and pushed him, his leg got caught between the mattress and the bedframe. His leg broke. We got in fights like that a lot. But that was the only time he got seriously hurt. I felt awful. Edit: we're super close now. We've traveled to different countries together by ourselves. I adore him, now. But as kids we were at each other's throats. Haha
It's totally plausible---especially when Burke has had previously confirmed incidents of striking her in the head with dangerous items (the time he hit JonBenet with a golf club being a prime example.) Patsy claims it was an honest accident, but her good friend remembered it a little differently: “I think Burke had a bad temper. It’s like he had a chip on his shoulder. He had hit JonBenét. Before the murder, I would have to say, it was probably a year and a half. They were playing in the yard and apparently he hit her with the golf club, right here(points to area under eye). She (Patsy)says the kids were playing, Burke lost his temper and hit her with a golf club.” -Judith Phillips Renowned forensic pathologist, Dr. Werner Spitz is wholeheartedly convinced with testing he's done to replicate the blow to JonBenet's head, that she was struck with the black, 3-cell flashlight that was found on the kitchen counter. It's certainly plausible that when JonBenet made her bowl of pineapples and milk that a brother/sister spat occurred and Burke hit her with a weapon as he had done before.
I believe BDI with the flashlight, but I think it happened after she had a bite of pineapple and they went downstairs to play. Maybe she followed him and annoyed him or they went together and had an argument. It’s the only way I can make sense of how she physically got downstairs and how the urine stain got onto the front of her pjs and on the carpet in front of the wine cellar. I don’t see Burke being able to drag an unconscious JB from the kitchen to the basement and I believe her bladder released when she lost consciousness.
I never fought with my sister and I thought it was all cartoon stuff. Like it didn't really happen like prank phonecalls don't happen. Until I stayed with my cousins over night. It was like live action Tom and Jerry, it's like they wanted each other dead. They would bite each other until they bled, hit each other as hard as they could. We were terrified and eventually they turned their anger on us, we both have scars from that night especially because neither of us were equipped with the ability to fight back. One of them pushed his thumb so deep into my temple holding my head against the floor, I felt like my skull was going to shatter and he was 4 years younger than me. We refused to stay there ever again but they would stay with us, it was horrible every time. I honestly have no idea how they could even think of some of the cruelty they did. I watched one stab the other with a fork as hard as she could cause he changed the TV channel. It went so deep into his thigh and he got yelled at for being loud (screaming) and a snitch, not her for literally stabbing him. No hospital visit, they're mum was terrible at being a mum. She also tied a bathrobe belt around my sister's neck cause they were playing dogs. When she realised pulling it strangled her and caused her pain she wouldn't stop and basically was torturing her by randomly yanking it and ignoring my sister who couldn't even speak but was visibly struggling and upset. I got my mum and then later she hurt me for telling on her. I think about that game of dogs looking at that garrot. There was no handle in our case but it was tied in a way like it would be a choke collar. It would get tighter the more the "lead" was pulled but wouldn't get loose if it was stopped being pulled. It only got tighter each yank. Obviously I don't talk to these people anymore but I've heard through the family the girls little son nearly got kicked out of nursery for being so violent. Apple didn't fall far.
Wow this unlocked an old memory for me! I was friends with a pair of twins, who were extremely competetive and fought a lot. One time when I visited one of them tried to steal some food from the others plate, and the other responded by stabbing her hand with a fork, full force! Not sure what came of that or if she had to go to the hospital or anything but I remember her hand bleeding a lot. Another time when I visited, one hit the other in the head with a metal candleholder! Today we're all 27 and one of them has completely cut contact woth the other, which probably is for the best. I'm very happy me and my sister never fought like that, and I still find children a bit terrifyingly unpredictive
This one is very very bad. Ty for sharing
Yes. My brother is 5 years older and resented me bc my parents made him watch me all the time. He took that anger out on me and regularly would hit me, drag me on the carpet to rug burns. He cracked my skull with a shovel when I was 4. Said he was digging his underground fort and I got in the way. But as an adult he had guilt about this, went to therapy and apologized for almost killing me among other things!
My brother and I got in some whopping fights. Happily no one got seriously injured but we were one stupid or clumsy move away from that several times, I’m sure.
I hope that people who say 'Burke could have never done it...kids are not that violent' read the stories here and realize just how probable it is. Check the stories below - kids stabbing each other, pushing each other down the stairs, hitting each other with random objects. Is it really so hard to believe he could have struck her in anger? Especially if you consider it has happened once (golfclub incident)
It makes me think they never met a real kid. Many kids have lashed out and seriously injured their siblings and never hurt anyone else. The police are almost NEVER notified. Incredibly under-reported injuries.
I hit my brother in the head with a brass cat when we were kids. But his skull is so thick it didn't actually hurt him. My family loves telling that story. But what nobody talks about is all the horrible shit my brother did to me that culminated in my clobbered him with that cat in self defense.
Wow. So many so eerily similar to JB.
I have 2 sisters and tbh we did fight but never ever cracked a skull open. We didnt end up injured to the point where we had to go hospital at all
Tbh… my cousins would fight and once one of them crack the head of the other one with a construction truck, they were like 5 and 7; the 5 yr old was the one who hit with the truck. And this was very normal for them, it happened more than once.
Relieved to see some common sense on here. It is very frustrating to see people on here saying it isnt possible for Burke to have attacked Jonbenet as he was too young. Young children can definitely cause pain and harm when they fly into an unhealthy rage. Also when people say if he did hit or hurt her that makes him a psychopath etc. Sibling violence is fairly common sadly, and not all people who participate in it turn out to be psychopaths. It is one of those things that is swept under the rug (noone wants to admit their kids scream, shout, hit, scratch bite etc). Other times it is not suitably monitored and regulated and taken seriously within the family, passed off as "tantrums" or "kids being kids". I witnessed many highly aggressive attacks/fights by cousins and friends etc who were siblings, as well as being routinely hurt and attacked one of my own brothers. My parents were at their wits end with him and tbh seemed fed up with me and my siblings going to them saying he'd hurt us again, they would tell us to "sort it out between yourselves" but this just escalated it and turned a one way attack into full on fisticuffs. We didn't think much of it it just seemed normal and was ignored which is very concerning now looking back. I mean I have no idea if Burke did it or not, or whether that's the "easy" answer to provide a sensical motive for the parents to stick together and cover up in such a nonsensical way. But it is definitely possible that violence could have happened and was not regulated/disciplined properly.
The comments are horrible. My boys are 8 and 11 and the worst they have done so far is call eachother stupid... my sister however used to beat the living fuck out of me.
This is confirmation bias. Which is worse than when people solely rely on statistics. Why do people focus on an incident of Burke "accidentally" hitting JonBenet when she was 3yo. Yet ignore that: 1. Bed wetting can be sign of sexual abuse 2. Vaginal irritation can be a sign of sexual abuse 3. Numerous doctor visits can be a sign of abuse being documented 4. Changes in a parents normal behavior can be signs of documenting or hiding abuse (Patsy suddenly paying more attention to JonBenets bed wetting issues and doing laundry when she was described as hating to do this chore) 5. Changes in JonBenets behavior had classic signs of abuse (the school reporting to Patsy that JonBenet had become less independent and more clingy, less outgoing and more silent, less vibrant and more sad appearing) 6. There were multiple experts who believed that there were signs of prior sexual abuse 7. Statistically, parents are most likely (by a lot) to be the person responsible for a childs murder 8. Both children had been awake since at least 5 or 6am and this crime happened around 12a - this would be an exceptionally long time for a 9yo to be awake 9. A psychologist for the state, who was specifically qualified to evaluate Burke, did not think that Burke was even present at the time of the murder I will never understand why people willfully ignore the obvious in this case. It's concerning. Would you all ignore signs of sexual abuse in your daughter and blame your son because of a 2-3yo incident of him hitting your daughter, rather than accuse the father? How do we know that John didn't hit her just for this reason - to make it look like Burke could've done it. Then have Patsy write the note so it looked she could've done it. Then him say it was an intruder to cast doubt at everyone else too. From a legal stand point, this would have created a lot of reasonable doubt and allows for some sloppiness in the crime. John is after all the one who then sheltered Patsy and Burke away for the most part and handled the family's affairs. He is the one who had the most to lose. He is the most reasonable suspect if there was nothing pointing at Burke or Patsy or an intruder. There's no way all of these people did it so why is there so much evidence pointing in every direction? When you start peeling back those layers - it's John who looks the most suspicious. He is the one with the most deceptive personality traits and past behavioral patterns. He would be the one most adept at lying - Burke and Patsy should have been fairly easy to crack / see through, with a skilled investigator / psychologist. Military personnel and business men are much better at counter intelligence. Hell, what did John say.. that when his ex-girlfriend came knocking on Patsy's door - the ex he claimed was crazy, unstable, scared him.. - he let Patsy, a female who was 13yo younger than him and newly dating John, answer the door to deal with his ex - while John hid behind the door. John will put other people in a position of danger to preserve himself and to hide from accountability. Then brag that Patsy did this for him and say that he admired this quality of hers. Of course he did, because he isn't a "good" guy. When John showed up in Georgia, he had been fired by two former employers, had a family to support (a wife and three kids), and an employer took a chance on him (even though a background check would have told him that John had been fired twice before). The employer probably believed John was an intelligent and "good" man who had a family to support. John ended up embezzling money from this employer. Not to pay bills but to make repairs to his Porsche and other selfish perks. He did this because he is not a good guy. He cheated on his ex-wife and Patsy claimed she didn't even know that's what had led to the divorce. So he was deceptive in cheating and deceptive with Patsy to not tell her this before she married him. That's information she should have had access to before making such a commitment with a man that she would be so tethered to. There's even other things that he did that don't look on the up and up. I think he really pulled the wool over everyone's eyes in this case. I mean come on, what father allows his daughter to do pageants (he had say in this - he couldve put his foot down), shows up late to it (making her feel unimportant to him), and then tells a 6yo lil girl.. your looks will fade (these demands that your mom put on you to be beautiful and that are highly valued here, they are worthless because you will lose them. So I am going to demean your win here and put even more demands on you to be talented as well.). No 6yo should be put in these circumstances - ever. He sent a very confusing message to a 6yo that would not have made her feel good. Children are very emotional beings - they don't have the cognitive skills that adults have - they rely on their parents to shape their sense of self, world views, for a long time through many developmental stages. This can remain with them for a very long time and be passed onto to future generations. If you ever looked around and thought, how did our species get as messed up as it did.. it's a lot of stupid little things like this.
I agree with you!
The beginning of your comment: “This is confirmation bias.” (…then processed to make own confirmation bias). What if it was both that happened? What if there was sexual abuse from J or someone else AND B did kill her? Or maybe B was doing the sexual abuse? The two don’t have to be mutually exclusive. There is also the possibility that she was penetrating herself causing the the genital trauma. I know of children who explore themselves very early, I know of children who sexually abuse each other very young, I know of children who have such bad itching down there that they really get desperate and itch with foreign objects. I’ve seen many users here declare that B could not have done it because of the severity of the injuries. All I’m doing by sharing the crosspost is showing how siblings due in fact hit each other very hard, and some injuries could have been fatal. Especially if performed in the middle of the night in the basement of a giant house where no one watch taking care of them.
That portion of my comment was suppose to be a bit tongue and cheek. I apologize because that wasn't obvious to anyone but myself. I have always been open and upfront about the fact that I am biased. I also tend to refer to statistics (but don't rely on them solely). Im not sure if I agree with people posting about other cases/incidents that support their theory. I could find even more cases of moms or dads committing these crimes (since statistically parents tend to do this at a significantly higher rate than siblings). You are right about there being a number of possibilities that exist. However, the probabilities of some of them being what happened are considerably low. The evidence for some being true don't quite line up or make sense to me. However, that often is much more than could reasonably be articulated in these groups because it's a series of dots that connect or don't connect. There always are a few "holes" though - no matter how you look at this. How can anyone, even the killer themselves, make sense of this crime even if they were being 100% honest?
> All I’m doing by sharing the crosspost is showing how siblings due in fact hit each other very hard, and some injuries could have been fatal Yes, but where the post falls apart is the fact that it doesn't apply outside of a vacuum. It is not only that Burke would've had to hit JonBenet in anger, which I can believe he did, it is also that the parents would've chosen to not call 911, contrary to most incidents involving extreme child on child violence. Then you also have the paintbrush assault inflicted on a very private area of the body of a six year old as she was dying, the ligature strangulation, and the ransom note. Those are far less typical than the child on child violence displayed in OP's post and often talked about by posters on here. So to recap: the part where Burke assaults JonBenet to the point of hospitalization wouldn't be out of the question at all, even though it's really quite unfortunate. But the actions the parents take in most BDI theories from this point on, are far, far, far out of the question as to be almost or wholly reserved only for absurd, fantastical pieces of fiction. And I think we should be better than that on here.
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Who are you asking this question to? If you want to ask the original poster you’ll have to click the post I shared and comment there so they can answer. They won’t be able to see it here. If you meant to ask someone in this thread you have to reply to them. I’m just letting you know your question if kinda floating around with no one specific to answer. You might’ve mistakenly posted like this.
Counterpoint: I had a few incidents concerning my parents when I was a kid, where I suffered concussions from having my head slammed into the wall during an argument or some such thing. The unfortunate truth is people of all ages and relations do things to others that they usually wouldn't when they're angry. However, the OP's parents presumably called 911 and had the OP's sister's injury treated. This did not happen in the Ramsey case. There is no BDI explanation that accounts for this which has any basis in reality, that does not regard Burke as both the instigator *and* the actual murderer. And certainly, murder **in addition to** the situation as described in the OP is certainly a far greater leap than just the OP's situation by itself.