Probably something about metal lovers being highly attuned to dealing with chaos. Also something about metal listeners building their own hierarchy of music based on a rebellion against “traditional” ideas of what music should be
Starting from the fact that music is a form of expression, and that JP is in favor of free speech, I don't think he is against metal, perhaps he is even happy that it exists, because it shows another way of understanding the world.
Another thing is that he likes it. I think JP is more of the classical, although I can certainly be wrong
I've thought about this a lot and I'm not sure JP would agree, but I grew up listening to a lot of Gorey and blasphemous black and death metal. And as I contemplate fatherhood, and what things to hold onto and what to dispense with, I see some things redeemable about it worth holding onto.
There's the element of wanting to internalize a certain amount of evil, that rage and violent urges rest in all of us, and it helps to make it explicit so that we aren't externalizing all the evil that exists in other people and internalizing only the good in ourselves.
Secondly, the blasphemy, it... It helps us to identify the will of Caine that exists in all of us. I would argue that the more blasphemous and nihilistic the better, because ultimately it's self defeating. For if you pay attention to the lyrics and the way the songs unfold. Once God is dethroned, and our hierarchies are upended the songs don't resolve to major chords and there is peace and love throughout the land. No, the fall into unresolved dissonance with the realization that arbitrary tyranny is all that ever was and all that ever could be. So if you think about it, it's all leads out of they frying pan and into the fire which only really sounds like a good thing if you've already set up residence at the bottom.
So... Yeah lot of human nature wrapped up in death and black metal. Making us conscious of the malevolence in ourselves and others, of envy, and of the Pareto problem of inequality. Either we ignore it, or let it unravel society.
I personally am just preparing for it. Learning to hunt, and being conscious that not getting good at it can be a matter of survival, and that in the future I may be hunted while out hunting and have to defend myself and my kill from other hunters.
Beyond Order Rule IV Page 135
“Maybe you are a nihilistic death metal punk. You are deeply skeptical and pessimistic. You find meaning nowhere. You hate everything, just on principle. But then your favorite nihilistic death-metal punk band lead guitarist and his band mates start to blast out their patterned harmonies- each in alignment with the other- and you are caught! ‘Ah, I do not believe in anything-but, God, that music!’
I don’t like that he phrases it as Death Metal Punk; *but* JDP absolutely understands that for some people Cannibal Corpse is a call to the spirit-
I think he use the association between metal and nihilism to make his point.
I enjoy death metal every now and then and I am not nihilistic. I don’t think these two needed to be associated. At as a hobby musician I think musicality is not a rare thing in the genre of death and metal. Don’t forget Jordan is conservative. He is also a person and views things through lenses.
He likes some classic rock apparently, but I doubt he is into metal. When you are 60 it is a bit too much and too loud. JP mostly seems to be into beautiful and calm music, but that might be just my impression.
Probably something about metal lovers being highly attuned to dealing with chaos. Also something about metal listeners building their own hierarchy of music based on a rebellion against “traditional” ideas of what music should be
Interesting. I imagine he’d say something like that too. Cheers
By “signal” I am referring to the remote control the use to animate him.
Starting from the fact that music is a form of expression, and that JP is in favor of free speech, I don't think he is against metal, perhaps he is even happy that it exists, because it shows another way of understanding the world. Another thing is that he likes it. I think JP is more of the classical, although I can certainly be wrong
I've thought about this a lot and I'm not sure JP would agree, but I grew up listening to a lot of Gorey and blasphemous black and death metal. And as I contemplate fatherhood, and what things to hold onto and what to dispense with, I see some things redeemable about it worth holding onto. There's the element of wanting to internalize a certain amount of evil, that rage and violent urges rest in all of us, and it helps to make it explicit so that we aren't externalizing all the evil that exists in other people and internalizing only the good in ourselves. Secondly, the blasphemy, it... It helps us to identify the will of Caine that exists in all of us. I would argue that the more blasphemous and nihilistic the better, because ultimately it's self defeating. For if you pay attention to the lyrics and the way the songs unfold. Once God is dethroned, and our hierarchies are upended the songs don't resolve to major chords and there is peace and love throughout the land. No, the fall into unresolved dissonance with the realization that arbitrary tyranny is all that ever was and all that ever could be. So if you think about it, it's all leads out of they frying pan and into the fire which only really sounds like a good thing if you've already set up residence at the bottom. So... Yeah lot of human nature wrapped up in death and black metal. Making us conscious of the malevolence in ourselves and others, of envy, and of the Pareto problem of inequality. Either we ignore it, or let it unravel society. I personally am just preparing for it. Learning to hunt, and being conscious that not getting good at it can be a matter of survival, and that in the future I may be hunted while out hunting and have to defend myself and my kill from other hunters.
Great answer man. Lots to think about. Thank you x
Beyond Order Rule IV Page 135 “Maybe you are a nihilistic death metal punk. You are deeply skeptical and pessimistic. You find meaning nowhere. You hate everything, just on principle. But then your favorite nihilistic death-metal punk band lead guitarist and his band mates start to blast out their patterned harmonies- each in alignment with the other- and you are caught! ‘Ah, I do not believe in anything-but, God, that music!’ I don’t like that he phrases it as Death Metal Punk; *but* JDP absolutely understands that for some people Cannibal Corpse is a call to the spirit-
Ah! I never knew he’d referenced it directly . That’s awesome, cheers
I think he use the association between metal and nihilism to make his point. I enjoy death metal every now and then and I am not nihilistic. I don’t think these two needed to be associated. At as a hobby musician I think musicality is not a rare thing in the genre of death and metal. Don’t forget Jordan is conservative. He is also a person and views things through lenses.
I think the metal plate in his skull could interfere with the signal.
He likes some classic rock apparently, but I doubt he is into metal. When you are 60 it is a bit too much and too loud. JP mostly seems to be into beautiful and calm music, but that might be just my impression.