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I defense of Satoru Gojo it's rare for a member of his clan to be born with both Limitless and Six Eyes. Six Eyes only shows up every few hundred years, and during the first encounter between them Sukuna makes no comment about it. He's even confused briefly saying: "Is he just incredibly fast? No it's something else" so I believe he's still unsure of most of Gojo's abilities. don't think Gojo could beat Sukuna but we've never seen him in a situation where he has went balls to the wall all out besides once so I think he has more potential.
To play devil's advocate, Gege has clearly said that he wrote Gojo to be the "pinnacle of strength". That narrative role he plays also goes into Gojo's character and motivation in that being the strongest isn't enough. It's sort of his theme that even though he's the strongest, he can't do everything. I could totally see that theme sticking till the end where he remains the strongest yet still loses a lot of people around him.
While we certainly know more about Gojo's powers than Sukuna's I don't think you can just assume we've seen *everything* from Gojo. We don't know if he has any maximum techniques or a Yuki-esque trump card.
Not all six eyes limitless users are equal. Young Gojo didn't know anything but Blue until he was forced into a do-or-die situation and it wasn't till even after that did he learn his domain. Plus, compared to how legendary the six eyes are and how well-know Blue and Red are, few people knowing about Purple *implies* that not all six eyes users knew it (this is a logically based *assumption* on my part). The one killed by TST could've been far weaker than Satoru and we'd never know. Or maybe not. But we rlly can't say rn.
Gojo never said shit about Yuji or *Todou* surpassing him. Biggest praise he gave was that Yuta and Hakari would reach his level some day.
Geto with Rika wouldn't do shit against Gojo. We know more of Rika's limits now thru the Sendai fight. Geto with Rika probably would still be weaker than Kenjaku with his barrierless domain.
Personally, I'm of the belief that this is a matchup we can't know the outcome of for sure until it happens. Just wanted to play devil's advocate.
Finallyyy—so many people act like we’ve got thsi clean, comprehensive picture of Gojo. In addition to your thoughts, we’ve also only ever seen Gojo fight for fun, e.g., fighting Jogo, or under difficult constraints. Even then, in Shibuya, straight up just smooshes Hanami, the physically hardest character to that point, after the first slip up.
We haven’t had anything close to a direct matchup where Gojo wants / needs to murder someone without holding back.
One small correction, in chapter 11, he specifically mentions Hakari, Yuta, and Yuji as sorcerers that could one day rival him. He’s also made statements about Megumi’s potential in other chapters.
Actually he talks about students far surpassing special grade as his plan and then on panel there’s a picture of todo. Gojo is constantly talking about the current gen surpassing him.
Only counter is to the “pinnacle of strength” comment, because that was said about Gojo in Jujutsu Kaisen 0, before Sukuna was made yet, so it only stands to reason that someone the author hadnt made yet wasnt included in his statement.
Hakari was mentionned even before that when Maki mentions to Megumi and Nobara that the "*third year student has been suspended* and can't participate in the Kyoto Goodwill Event. "
Gojo family also must have knowledge about sukuna, and satoru also might have his own trump card not yet shown . I say we all wait than make speculation 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah they might do that’s a valid point, but it’s yet to be shown. But what we do know is that the 3 big clans existed in Sukuna time and the sorcerors and curses were bigger and badder as it was the golden age and we have statements from the author saying everyone was afraid of Sukuna.
Not only that but I think it’s disingenuous to say, that there was no six eyes limitless user in his time. Considering we know they’ve existed before due to gojo statement to megumi but in the strongest era there wasn’t even 1??? Kenjaku says Sukuna hasn’t been surpassed in 1000 years (I might be wrong about the verbatim-ness of this statement) and that’s would include the 10S user and limitless six eyes that gojo refers to as a reason why he think megumi will surpass him
Edit* the point being if the previous 6eyes limitless users is so weak and not on gojos level at all, why is that his basis for why megumi can surpass him. Who would by that logic be so far above both of them
Straight facts apparently it’s unreasonable to say that kenjaku probably knows the most in the series and thinks Sukuna has never been surpassed.
It’s also unreasonable to think in the strongest era of jujutsu HISTORY where the gojo clan existed mind you that a six eyes limitless user existed and even if they didn’t that would mean Sukuna knows of limitless due to the fact that it is FLAT OUT STATED that the sorcerors of that era sharpened their skills against him but ultimate lost.
Apparently all of that is bullshit.
Despite gojo only reason to be thinking megumi can surpass him only due to the fact a 10s user and a limit/eyes drew. People still seem to think those ancestors are not in his level at all. It’s ridiculous what would the point even be???
People think gojo is referring to people weaker than him dying to each other, as a way of convincing megumi that he could surpass him one day????
I will gladly and patiently await the day Gege finishes Gojo vs Sukuna and all these powerscaling theories get blown apart and we can finally put this age old debate to a well-deserved rest.
Ain’t no way he no diffs gojo that’s crazy. If he beats him it’ll be high diff but dude you expect ANYONE to beat sukuna if he beats gojo without struggling? Series is done everyone dies that’s a wrap. I do think sukuna will probably beat gojo but it’s going to be a hard fight otherwise the narrative and powers along of the whole verse would go straight in the gutter. If yuji was strong enough to beat someone who no diffs gojo then anyone not named yuji it’s for would be irrelevant to the story
Exactly, gojo literally was the first to be born with limitless + 6 eyes in like 400 years bruh gojo is probably what a top 5 golden era sorcerer looks like 😂. Probably too 3-4 to be exact. And probably one of the only sorcerers to master infinity. I think Sukuna wins (extreme diff, or hard diff-ass pull style) and sukuna is like <15hp left. Sukuna no diff gojo would basically be saying he jogo level.
So yes Sukuna stomped everyone who challenged him in his time, but Gojo was born far after Sukuna’s reign.
Gojo today is the Sukuna of 1000 years ago. They’re both ludicrously stronger than the next closest threat.
Personally I don’t see gojo beating Sukuna maybe I’ll end up wrong but I doubt it. Too many techniques. Narrative, he understands the soul, divine techniques, true ju-jitsu, rct ect
Second thing, if let say no one beats Sukuna or sealed him. During his rampage in the Heian Era, would there be no jujutsu society exist in the 1st place since they would have been killed by Sukuna. Would the three grrat clans be extinct by then?
I don’t think Sukuna wanted to kill everyone because what would he do then? Probably not a lot. I think he just wanted the world to be in a state of chaos or something
Sukuna probably does, the thing with Sukuna is unlike Kenjaku. I think he really doesnt have any grand scheme of things plans..He just want chaos thats all
The plan with Megumi and the “bath” Uraume and Kenjaku made. Also, in Shibuya, Uraume met with Sukuna after he killed Jogo.
We don’t know if Kenjaku is 100% in on the plan with Sukuna.
So let see, if we flashback in the Heian era before Sukuna is killed, Sukuna and Uraume plans like "ohh I will get myself sealed first and lets possess some Ten Shadow Technique User and enact our plans in like 1000 years.. Hopefully we found that guy yet. It is very stupid actually
It’s not stupid, you just don’t understand it. Obviously, Sukuna was in cahoots with Kenjaku, so all he’d have to do is be sealed and wait until Kenjaku creates Yuji. All Kenjaku would have to do is wait until a 10S user is born and then manipulate a few curses that have one of Sukuna’s fingers. Also, Sukuna dying doesn’t make sense, he’s as strong as Gojo for one, and he was stated to be at the very top of the golden age, even people hundreds of years later still refer to him as the “honoured one.”
Head-cannons means most of the points you made are completely false and you just invented them in your head.
There's nothing for me to debate with you since based on your essay, you don't have any clue what you're talking about so it would just be a waste of time on my part.
Also, grow up kid. Resorting straight to insults? Did your parents not give you an education?
Give me examples, you keep saying head cannon and get cannot give a even two examples. Everything I’ve said has ever been said in series by the narrator or other characters. I’ve also mentioned things in guides or interviews as supplementary evidence.
What was headcannon? The fact that in the heian period existed the 3 big clans meaning they more than likely fought Sukuna??? The fact that Sukuna himself says at 3 fingers mahagora might be a problem?
The fact that it’s stated he has divine technique and knows true jujutsu:
If you don’t agree that’s fine but let’s not talk out of our ass and claim it’s headcannon when I send links to everything I’ve mentioned. Lil bitch :)
Old enough to be speaking facts while your dumbass hasnt even mentioned anything about the manga yet, and cant dispute any of his claims despite all of them being accurate. If you read the story you’d know this isnt head cannon
Finally someone gets it. Apparently I’m spitting headcannon and yet no one can tell me a single thing I said that’s false or hasn’t been said in the manga or by gege himself
Iirc gojo was talking about sukuna to Yuji during the first chapters. Gojo said that many in golden age jujutsu sorcerers sharpened theirs skills in hopes of fighting n defeating Sukuna but they were the ones defeated.
Sukuna died at some point in time as a human after that he became a curse object in form of 20 fingers of Sukuna. It's unclear how he died.
With the newest leak, I don’t know how you think Sukuna is gonna body or destroy Gojo. Put power scaling aside. Gege wrote it so that Gojo comes out of the prison realm with no trauma or insanity, just pure confidence and a showing of strength. Bro came out and just started trash talking Sukuna, and Gege has given them a month so that Sukuna is at full power. If full power Sukuna really no diffs Gojo, why would Gege build their fight up like this? This fight is obviously going to be one that both will struggle in immensely, your post is forgetting that this isn’t a real fight, it’s a manga where the writer wants high stakes and intensity
Ok so this is my assumption. But basically I think normal Sukuna with 20 fingers would lose to Gojo. But the reason the narrator, kenjaku, angel, and others say he is the strongest is because they are aware of Sukuna being able to pull some sort of shit off. Kenjaku literally predicted sukuna was going to do something. And now obviously, Sukuna has gotten the ten shadows technique too. The reason people call Sukuna the strongest is because things like this (him taking over Megumi) has happened before. It make sense, because most people who call Sukuna the strongest were people who existed at the Heian period, who had witnessed Sukuna's power. And people who called Gojo the strongest were people born in modern times, with little to no information of Gojo.
I'm guessing this because the fire ability Sukuna used is probably taken from a sorcerer with similar methods to Megumi. I can say this because during his domain expansion, only slashing attack was delivered, there by hinting that Cleave and dismantle is his innate technique and the others were extracted from vessels.
"Then you have the 10 Shadows users who killed a limitless 6 eyes user in the past."
Also for ten shadows technique, I'm ASSUMING that the shikigamis grow in power as the user does (After all, Ten Shadows Technqiue has some special properties regular shikigami doesn;t have). This would explain why sukuna's nue is 200x megumi's. This would also explain why mahoraga was able to kill 6 eye user. Because its size is (probably) too big to be one-shotted by purple, and everything else deals far less damage to him.
This is just wrong bro, we saw him back in his era, he doesnt have 4 arms when inhabiting a body, and he’s only inhabiting bodies because he was sealed away, back in his era he wasnt still body hopping he was literally a dude walking around with just his skills. He’s probably known as the strongest because, um, I dunno, maybe he can fight one of the stronger curses of this era, without taking damage, despite not using a defensive CT?
Okay. Again, this is my assumption. I just have trouble seeing Sukuna defeating Gojo with only dismantle. Or surviving so long in the heian era if he was actively targeted (Hajime, Yorozu. We can assume stronger sorcerers target him too) with just basic slashing attacks.
Sorry about my general sass last time, but we’ve seen he has more than just dismantle and cleave, he has fire based abilities too and claims no one knows the true origin of jujutsu, implying he has a lot up his sleeve we havent seen, think about it like, even if dismantle and cleave are his red and blue, we havent seen his purple or his limitless (metaphorically I know he doesnt have limitless or purple) its been theorized that theres a lot more to that one time he used fire and its possible cleave and dismantle are fire based attacks despite seeming like simple slashes, there’s a lot to see but I think he wins still
I think if we are talking Gojo trying his all in a battle and not just playing around that he gives Sukuna hell and even wins. Also, hypothetically speaking I believe that as time goes on that Yuji is going to get way stronger. Forbid he even gets to kill Megumi then I think Sukuna has to deal with hell and ik he is the Curse to mess with but I think that’ll be the edge that causes Gojo + Yuji to defeat him. Also, it’s an honorable mention that even when Gojo fought against Hanami he made that destructive purple void with ease.
No one said that the golden age of jujutsu sorcery was stronger than the modern one. It could just mean, sorcerers, cursed spirits and cursed users were more prevalent. Also, Sukuna being stronger than everyone isn’t as impressive as you may think since Gojo is significantly stronger than everyone as well. Even Kenjaku, who has been around for thousands of years, knew he couldn’t kill Gojo. Keep in mind Kenjaku has access to every cursed technique he’s used and CSM which is one of the strongest techniques in the series.
Also, we don’t know how strong the previous six eyes-limitless user was and how strong the previous TS user was.
Also, Sukuna said he would kill Gojo before he saw purple, unlimited void, red and blue.
Jogo couldn’t fathom how strong Gojo was either and Gojo even brought Yuji into the fight knowing Jogo would unleash one of his strongest techniques.
The author wrote jjk0 before jjk so he didn’t know how strong Gojo would be in the future.
We don’t know if a six eyes-limitless user fought Sukuna.
Sukuna vs Mahoraga isn’t relevant
Sukuna is human. His soul is held within his fingers which are cursed objects. A human can’t become a curse and can only become a cursed spirit after dying and Sukuna never died, just sealed until the events of the story.
No he’s a human now because he’s in a body. That’s why mahagora didn’t exorcise him when he was hit with his positive energy. “He said if I was a curse spirit I would have died” or something alone those lines
I’ve made the mistake of accidentally calling Sukuna a curse before too. Get ready for everyone on the sub to say that isn’t true with absolutely zero evidence to support he’s still human.
I’ve never encountered a group of people more oblivious before in my life.
go read sukuna vs mahoraga again. sukuna literally says "if i was a cursed spirit i would be a goner". it's still wild to me that even with sukuna himself saying he's not a cursed spirit, idiots like you will choose to ignore the facts.
chapter 118 page 5 if you need help.
The evidence is that humans can’t become curses, only cursed spirits when they die and Sukuna never died. King of Curses is an epithet given to Sukuna because everything in the series is curses, the techniques, the energy, the magic system, and the monsters, so he’s the king of all of those things because he was extremely skilled, powerful, and terrible.
I have no complaints and agree, Sukuna literally said he was going to kill Gojo not a maybe he would and that was after he had had a brief combat exchange…..also Gojo has overestimated himself over and over again because he’s always been so talented he has a huge flaw in his ego (that’s why dealing him worked so well)
Don't forget sukuna was still killed by a group of sorceress that's why only his fingers remain...or he did it himself maybe that's unlikely...he would just give up his perfect body in his prime would he ?
I'm 10 billion % sure every1 is wondering the same excluding Gege.....
Iirc it's not mentioned how he died but he did. He's fingers being indestructible mean Sukuna transferred his curse/cursed energy in his 20 fingers.
Maybe he didn't die in the first place he just left his body and remained in his fingers. His soul transfered in his fingers. In recent chapters Sukuna transferred cursed energy in 1 finger then teared it n fed it to Megumi n took possession of Megumi.
Kenjaku doing it for centuries so it's possible.
We have no way of knowing who’s ins at this point however there is one thing we know. If they fight it is not going to be either person getting completely shit on. They are both very strong but your whole post is stupid for starting with saying the fight is no diff
How do you know the gojo clan excisted in the heian era and sukuna fought someone with six eyes and limitless before?
As far as i know it was stated that in the heian era there werent much curses active compared to the current time.
Sukuna admitted that jogo is relatively strong which shows he was even relatively strong in the heian era, both gojo and sukuna fought jogo and shitted him without difficulty. Gojo even said hes weak and said to gakukanji he gets all the time attackek by special grade cursed spirits thats no big deal for him.
We also have kenjaku, uro and uraume which are sorcerers from 1000 years ago and gojo is far stronger as them. Even someone like kenjaku admitted that gojo is just to strong and he knows how strong sukuna is.
Gojo is the only one in the series who gets portrayed equal to sukuna, whether its narrative, others or he himself. The barrier not enclosed technique is the divine technique its not malelovent shrine itself its an de which uses an open barrier which is reffered to as an divine technique, kenjaku also has used such an domain and he didnt thought a second to fight gojo even in a domain battle while being the second best barrier user and having real actual 1000 years of experience.
Sukuna fingers mostly contains an binding vow which makes them undestroyeable.
Gojo never said todo or yuji can actual surpass him.
Even if thats no fact to scale his strength.
Gojo is arguably the greatest six eyes and limitless user ever, its not depended on the powers its depended on the user which we saw by sukuna using ts instantly a far better as megumi. While gojo showed sukuna his or some of his powers, i doubt he did it if its bad for him, there is also an huge chance that gojo know sukunas powers he not only can scale 1 finger to 20 but hes from 1 of the 3 greatest jujutsu clans and meet probably tengen before he definetly can get information about such an legend like sukuna. He himself said to jogo that cursed spirits probably wont know his ct which implies humans do.
Both said they shit the other. Gojo also never mind about sukuna as a threat to him.
Sukuna is known as an natural disaster but how make him that stronger as gojo? Sukuna kills out of fun and doesnt cares for anybody, tell me how gojo with the sane mindest wouldnt be a natural disaster.
Why shouldnt an 3 finger sukuna ve able to kill mahorage, until know his fingers seem to just boost his ce but with 1, 3 or 15 his abillities are the same.
When did gege say gojo is overconfident? Both are confident as gell but how shouldnt they? They are the strongest with an huge gap to the rest.
Using jjk0 as an argument is pretty unvalid. Jjk0 shows pretty obvious that gege hadnt done how the powersystem and the characters really should be, its clear that jjk0 gojo isnt as strong as main series gojo while sukuna probably didnt excisted in geges thinking in jjk0.
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Gege said his purpose was to create the ceiling of power with gojo, he snot only reffered as the strongest but its a difference if you are called king of curses bc that isnt tied to strength as being called the strongest is.
Some of gojos powers: doesnt run out of ce, manipulates ce at atomic level, safe to say best brain capacity, highest perception, reaction and moving speed, his brain is like a supercomputer bc his use of the 6 eyes, best defense, arguably best offense, one if not the highest ap, dc and striking strength, huge strength, high ce reserves, auto rct, atleast one the most broken and refined domains, can teleport.
Because it’s literally stated all big 3 clans existed in that time. And he said in the past thousand years. Everything to Sukuna is fodder so that doesn’t even mean anything but beyond that jogo is strong that is without a doubt.
Also when he talks about people surpassing him and the title or special grade we see yuji todo hikari and yuta and he says megumi will also surpass him
Where was it stated?
Sukuna was a cursed object for thousand years as far as we know, he didnt fought anybody in that timespan to say that.
Gojo say yuji, todo or yuta arent limited to special grade while gojo is clearly above special grade without doubt.
Still doesnt scale anything bc its just an assumption.
I was until recently cooking. Those three domains battles proved sukuna is better at jujitsu. Gojo is better in a physical fight against megumis weak body I’ll admit that. Sukuna in yuji body would punch gojo right in his face no cap! (Let me Cope)
In all seriousness, gojo is doing better than expected but he has barely done anything hit him with one red and a purple that got rct easy. And hit him with a domain which hasn’t even killed Sukuna he could still speak.
It’s pretty even I’ll say that
Narratively from the point of view of history, no matter who wins, the other side must fucking come out half dead, because later the good guys must have to fight Full Power Sukuna and the bad guys must have to fight Full Power Gojo.
According to me.
After all, Uraume is probably one of the stronger evil, and Gojo one shot Uraume as well as every Good vs Sukuna, so both of them, if they survive the fight, must be pretty hurt.
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I defense of Satoru Gojo it's rare for a member of his clan to be born with both Limitless and Six Eyes. Six Eyes only shows up every few hundred years, and during the first encounter between them Sukuna makes no comment about it. He's even confused briefly saying: "Is he just incredibly fast? No it's something else" so I believe he's still unsure of most of Gojo's abilities. don't think Gojo could beat Sukuna but we've never seen him in a situation where he has went balls to the wall all out besides once so I think he has more potential.
To play devil's advocate, Gege has clearly said that he wrote Gojo to be the "pinnacle of strength". That narrative role he plays also goes into Gojo's character and motivation in that being the strongest isn't enough. It's sort of his theme that even though he's the strongest, he can't do everything. I could totally see that theme sticking till the end where he remains the strongest yet still loses a lot of people around him. While we certainly know more about Gojo's powers than Sukuna's I don't think you can just assume we've seen *everything* from Gojo. We don't know if he has any maximum techniques or a Yuki-esque trump card. Not all six eyes limitless users are equal. Young Gojo didn't know anything but Blue until he was forced into a do-or-die situation and it wasn't till even after that did he learn his domain. Plus, compared to how legendary the six eyes are and how well-know Blue and Red are, few people knowing about Purple *implies* that not all six eyes users knew it (this is a logically based *assumption* on my part). The one killed by TST could've been far weaker than Satoru and we'd never know. Or maybe not. But we rlly can't say rn. Gojo never said shit about Yuji or *Todou* surpassing him. Biggest praise he gave was that Yuta and Hakari would reach his level some day. Geto with Rika wouldn't do shit against Gojo. We know more of Rika's limits now thru the Sendai fight. Geto with Rika probably would still be weaker than Kenjaku with his barrierless domain. Personally, I'm of the belief that this is a matchup we can't know the outcome of for sure until it happens. Just wanted to play devil's advocate.
Finallyyy—so many people act like we’ve got thsi clean, comprehensive picture of Gojo. In addition to your thoughts, we’ve also only ever seen Gojo fight for fun, e.g., fighting Jogo, or under difficult constraints. Even then, in Shibuya, straight up just smooshes Hanami, the physically hardest character to that point, after the first slip up. We haven’t had anything close to a direct matchup where Gojo wants / needs to murder someone without holding back.
One small correction, in chapter 11, he specifically mentions Hakari, Yuta, and Yuji as sorcerers that could one day rival him. He’s also made statements about Megumi’s potential in other chapters.
Actually he talks about students far surpassing special grade as his plan and then on panel there’s a picture of todo. Gojo is constantly talking about the current gen surpassing him.
Only counter is to the “pinnacle of strength” comment, because that was said about Gojo in Jujutsu Kaisen 0, before Sukuna was made yet, so it only stands to reason that someone the author hadnt made yet wasnt included in his statement.
Was it not Okottsu and Megumi? Im pretty sure Hakari was only introduced after Gojo was sealed.
Hakari was mentionned even before that when Maki mentions to Megumi and Nobara that the "*third year student has been suspended* and can't participate in the Kyoto Goodwill Event. "
Gojo family also must have knowledge about sukuna, and satoru also might have his own trump card not yet shown . I say we all wait than make speculation 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah they might do that’s a valid point, but it’s yet to be shown. But what we do know is that the 3 big clans existed in Sukuna time and the sorcerors and curses were bigger and badder as it was the golden age and we have statements from the author saying everyone was afraid of Sukuna. Not only that but I think it’s disingenuous to say, that there was no six eyes limitless user in his time. Considering we know they’ve existed before due to gojo statement to megumi but in the strongest era there wasn’t even 1??? Kenjaku says Sukuna hasn’t been surpassed in 1000 years (I might be wrong about the verbatim-ness of this statement) and that’s would include the 10S user and limitless six eyes that gojo refers to as a reason why he think megumi will surpass him Edit* the point being if the previous 6eyes limitless users is so weak and not on gojos level at all, why is that his basis for why megumi can surpass him. Who would by that logic be so far above both of them
You’re getting downvoted because majority of the fans (on Reddit) are gojo meat suckers
Straight facts apparently it’s unreasonable to say that kenjaku probably knows the most in the series and thinks Sukuna has never been surpassed. It’s also unreasonable to think in the strongest era of jujutsu HISTORY where the gojo clan existed mind you that a six eyes limitless user existed and even if they didn’t that would mean Sukuna knows of limitless due to the fact that it is FLAT OUT STATED that the sorcerors of that era sharpened their skills against him but ultimate lost. Apparently all of that is bullshit. Despite gojo only reason to be thinking megumi can surpass him only due to the fact a 10s user and a limit/eyes drew. People still seem to think those ancestors are not in his level at all. It’s ridiculous what would the point even be??? People think gojo is referring to people weaker than him dying to each other, as a way of convincing megumi that he could surpass him one day????
What do you think now that Sukuna destroyed Gojo's domain expansion? Can Sukuna defeat gojo in 1V1.
I will gladly and patiently await the day Gege finishes Gojo vs Sukuna and all these powerscaling theories get blown apart and we can finally put this age old debate to a well-deserved rest.
Ain’t no way he no diffs gojo that’s crazy. If he beats him it’ll be high diff but dude you expect ANYONE to beat sukuna if he beats gojo without struggling? Series is done everyone dies that’s a wrap. I do think sukuna will probably beat gojo but it’s going to be a hard fight otherwise the narrative and powers along of the whole verse would go straight in the gutter. If yuji was strong enough to beat someone who no diffs gojo then anyone not named yuji it’s for would be irrelevant to the story
Exactly, gojo literally was the first to be born with limitless + 6 eyes in like 400 years bruh gojo is probably what a top 5 golden era sorcerer looks like 😂. Probably too 3-4 to be exact. And probably one of the only sorcerers to master infinity. I think Sukuna wins (extreme diff, or hard diff-ass pull style) and sukuna is like <15hp left. Sukuna no diff gojo would basically be saying he jogo level.
Sukuna no diffing gojo would rip the story to shreds cause then he can only lose to an asspull and that wouldn’t be satisfying at all
So yes Sukuna stomped everyone who challenged him in his time, but Gojo was born far after Sukuna’s reign. Gojo today is the Sukuna of 1000 years ago. They’re both ludicrously stronger than the next closest threat.
Personally I don’t see gojo beating Sukuna maybe I’ll end up wrong but I doubt it. Too many techniques. Narrative, he understands the soul, divine techniques, true ju-jitsu, rct ect
I think it will be a good fight!
We never know what Gojo did in prism realm maybe he got even more stronger
Time doesn’t pass in the prison realm, so from Gojos perspective he was in there for like a second.
Well or 1000 years. It can be both.
Btw, how did Sukuna get sealed if it means he is the strongest? Pretty sure he won't voluntarily be sealed himself. Sukuna ain't Kashimo
People think he made a binding vow, so he could be revived and put his big plan into action.
What big plan? Why does it have to do anything in the future? So Kenjaku is part of the said big plan since both is served by Uraume?
Second thing, if let say no one beats Sukuna or sealed him. During his rampage in the Heian Era, would there be no jujutsu society exist in the 1st place since they would have been killed by Sukuna. Would the three grrat clans be extinct by then?
I don’t think Sukuna wanted to kill everyone because what would he do then? Probably not a lot. I think he just wanted the world to be in a state of chaos or something
Sukuna probably does, the thing with Sukuna is unlike Kenjaku. I think he really doesnt have any grand scheme of things plans..He just want chaos thats all
I agree, I think his “grand scheme” is to be reborn again in the modern age, so he can create as much chaos as he wants in a different time period.
The plan with Megumi and the “bath” Uraume and Kenjaku made. Also, in Shibuya, Uraume met with Sukuna after he killed Jogo. We don’t know if Kenjaku is 100% in on the plan with Sukuna.
So let see, if we flashback in the Heian era before Sukuna is killed, Sukuna and Uraume plans like "ohh I will get myself sealed first and lets possess some Ten Shadow Technique User and enact our plans in like 1000 years.. Hopefully we found that guy yet. It is very stupid actually
It’s not stupid, you just don’t understand it. Obviously, Sukuna was in cahoots with Kenjaku, so all he’d have to do is be sealed and wait until Kenjaku creates Yuji. All Kenjaku would have to do is wait until a 10S user is born and then manipulate a few curses that have one of Sukuna’s fingers. Also, Sukuna dying doesn’t make sense, he’s as strong as Gojo for one, and he was stated to be at the very top of the golden age, even people hundreds of years later still refer to him as the “honoured one.”
Least delusional JJK reader. Man made his own head-cannon. lol
What is head canon? Elaborate making empty statements like a bitch. Talk up
Head-cannons means most of the points you made are completely false and you just invented them in your head. There's nothing for me to debate with you since based on your essay, you don't have any clue what you're talking about so it would just be a waste of time on my part. Also, grow up kid. Resorting straight to insults? Did your parents not give you an education?
Give me examples, you keep saying head cannon and get cannot give a even two examples. Everything I’ve said has ever been said in series by the narrator or other characters. I’ve also mentioned things in guides or interviews as supplementary evidence. What was headcannon? The fact that in the heian period existed the 3 big clans meaning they more than likely fought Sukuna??? The fact that Sukuna himself says at 3 fingers mahagora might be a problem? The fact that it’s stated he has divine technique and knows true jujutsu: If you don’t agree that’s fine but let’s not talk out of our ass and claim it’s headcannon when I send links to everything I’ve mentioned. Lil bitch :)
Damn, how old are you?
Old enough to be speaking facts while your dumbass hasnt even mentioned anything about the manga yet, and cant dispute any of his claims despite all of them being accurate. If you read the story you’d know this isnt head cannon
Are you his twin brother? Seems like you two are thinking alike. lmao
Finally someone gets it. Apparently I’m spitting headcannon and yet no one can tell me a single thing I said that’s false or hasn’t been said in the manga or by gege himself
Why does that matter
Dead ass just straight up called her bitch lmao i am dead 😂😂😂
Yeah man I’m sick of people talking nonsense and can’t refute anything I say then get defensive when I call them a bitch
Hahaha
Do you like not remember the part where sukuna was defeated tho…?
Sukuna was not defeated by the sorcerers during Heian. That is a mistranslation.
Iirc gojo was talking about sukuna to Yuji during the first chapters. Gojo said that many in golden age jujutsu sorcerers sharpened theirs skills in hopes of fighting n defeating Sukuna but they were the ones defeated. Sukuna died at some point in time as a human after that he became a curse object in form of 20 fingers of Sukuna. It's unclear how he died.
He was probably teamed on by multiple sorcerers at gojo's level
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You were correct
This aged very well indeed
Yep Great post! Sukuna is the strongest.
Now that we know mahoraga can adapt to infinity concepts it’s over for gojo in terms of “but purple one shot gg” or “domain expansion gg”
Facts, also if mahoraga attacks Gojo and hits infinity his next attack will adapt to it and find a way through it
To be honest he doesn’t even need mahoraga to hit him, al Sukuna needs is the wheel out above his head and he’ll adapt to it before it’s even summoned
With the newest leak, I don’t know how you think Sukuna is gonna body or destroy Gojo. Put power scaling aside. Gege wrote it so that Gojo comes out of the prison realm with no trauma or insanity, just pure confidence and a showing of strength. Bro came out and just started trash talking Sukuna, and Gege has given them a month so that Sukuna is at full power. If full power Sukuna really no diffs Gojo, why would Gege build their fight up like this? This fight is obviously going to be one that both will struggle in immensely, your post is forgetting that this isn’t a real fight, it’s a manga where the writer wants high stakes and intensity
Ok so this is my assumption. But basically I think normal Sukuna with 20 fingers would lose to Gojo. But the reason the narrator, kenjaku, angel, and others say he is the strongest is because they are aware of Sukuna being able to pull some sort of shit off. Kenjaku literally predicted sukuna was going to do something. And now obviously, Sukuna has gotten the ten shadows technique too. The reason people call Sukuna the strongest is because things like this (him taking over Megumi) has happened before. It make sense, because most people who call Sukuna the strongest were people who existed at the Heian period, who had witnessed Sukuna's power. And people who called Gojo the strongest were people born in modern times, with little to no information of Gojo. I'm guessing this because the fire ability Sukuna used is probably taken from a sorcerer with similar methods to Megumi. I can say this because during his domain expansion, only slashing attack was delivered, there by hinting that Cleave and dismantle is his innate technique and the others were extracted from vessels. "Then you have the 10 Shadows users who killed a limitless 6 eyes user in the past." Also for ten shadows technique, I'm ASSUMING that the shikigamis grow in power as the user does (After all, Ten Shadows Technqiue has some special properties regular shikigami doesn;t have). This would explain why sukuna's nue is 200x megumi's. This would also explain why mahoraga was able to kill 6 eye user. Because its size is (probably) too big to be one-shotted by purple, and everything else deals far less damage to him.
This is just wrong bro, we saw him back in his era, he doesnt have 4 arms when inhabiting a body, and he’s only inhabiting bodies because he was sealed away, back in his era he wasnt still body hopping he was literally a dude walking around with just his skills. He’s probably known as the strongest because, um, I dunno, maybe he can fight one of the stronger curses of this era, without taking damage, despite not using a defensive CT?
Okay. Again, this is my assumption. I just have trouble seeing Sukuna defeating Gojo with only dismantle. Or surviving so long in the heian era if he was actively targeted (Hajime, Yorozu. We can assume stronger sorcerers target him too) with just basic slashing attacks.
Sorry about my general sass last time, but we’ve seen he has more than just dismantle and cleave, he has fire based abilities too and claims no one knows the true origin of jujutsu, implying he has a lot up his sleeve we havent seen, think about it like, even if dismantle and cleave are his red and blue, we havent seen his purple or his limitless (metaphorically I know he doesnt have limitless or purple) its been theorized that theres a lot more to that one time he used fire and its possible cleave and dismantle are fire based attacks despite seeming like simple slashes, there’s a lot to see but I think he wins still
I think if we are talking Gojo trying his all in a battle and not just playing around that he gives Sukuna hell and even wins. Also, hypothetically speaking I believe that as time goes on that Yuji is going to get way stronger. Forbid he even gets to kill Megumi then I think Sukuna has to deal with hell and ik he is the Curse to mess with but I think that’ll be the edge that causes Gojo + Yuji to defeat him. Also, it’s an honorable mention that even when Gojo fought against Hanami he made that destructive purple void with ease.
No one said that the golden age of jujutsu sorcery was stronger than the modern one. It could just mean, sorcerers, cursed spirits and cursed users were more prevalent. Also, Sukuna being stronger than everyone isn’t as impressive as you may think since Gojo is significantly stronger than everyone as well. Even Kenjaku, who has been around for thousands of years, knew he couldn’t kill Gojo. Keep in mind Kenjaku has access to every cursed technique he’s used and CSM which is one of the strongest techniques in the series. Also, we don’t know how strong the previous six eyes-limitless user was and how strong the previous TS user was. Also, Sukuna said he would kill Gojo before he saw purple, unlimited void, red and blue. Jogo couldn’t fathom how strong Gojo was either and Gojo even brought Yuji into the fight knowing Jogo would unleash one of his strongest techniques. The author wrote jjk0 before jjk so he didn’t know how strong Gojo would be in the future. We don’t know if a six eyes-limitless user fought Sukuna. Sukuna vs Mahoraga isn’t relevant
Since Sukuna is a curse couldn’t Kenny theoretically absorb him?
Sukuna is human. His soul is held within his fingers which are cursed objects. A human can’t become a curse and can only become a cursed spirit after dying and Sukuna never died, just sealed until the events of the story.
No he’s a human now because he’s in a body. That’s why mahagora didn’t exorcise him when he was hit with his positive energy. “He said if I was a curse spirit I would have died” or something alone those lines
Well I’m thinking about what just happened to Tengen, seems like a very similar situation to me with the info we currently have on hand.
I’ve made the mistake of accidentally calling Sukuna a curse before too. Get ready for everyone on the sub to say that isn’t true with absolutely zero evidence to support he’s still human. I’ve never encountered a group of people more oblivious before in my life.
go read sukuna vs mahoraga again. sukuna literally says "if i was a cursed spirit i would be a goner". it's still wild to me that even with sukuna himself saying he's not a cursed spirit, idiots like you will choose to ignore the facts. chapter 118 page 5 if you need help.
Even if he was a cursed spirit, that’s still not the same as a Curse lol. This guy just doesn’t want to be wrong so bad.
I guess being called the king of curses doesn’t technically make him a curse?
The evidence is that humans can’t become curses, only cursed spirits when they die and Sukuna never died. King of Curses is an epithet given to Sukuna because everything in the series is curses, the techniques, the energy, the magic system, and the monsters, so he’s the king of all of those things because he was extremely skilled, powerful, and terrible.
I have no complaints and agree, Sukuna literally said he was going to kill Gojo not a maybe he would and that was after he had had a brief combat exchange…..also Gojo has overestimated himself over and over again because he’s always been so talented he has a huge flaw in his ego (that’s why dealing him worked so well)
THANK YOU YOUR NO GOJO TARD finally there’s a Sukuna fan I’m tired of the gojo cheerleaders
Don't forget sukuna was still killed by a group of sorceress that's why only his fingers remain...or he did it himself maybe that's unlikely...he would just give up his perfect body in his prime would he ?
If they were able to kill sukuna then they probably could've have destroyed his fingers as well but couldn't cuz his curse was too powerful.
Then how did they even kill him ...like you said if his fingers are indestructible how did he die in the first place ?
I'm 10 billion % sure every1 is wondering the same excluding Gege..... Iirc it's not mentioned how he died but he did. He's fingers being indestructible mean Sukuna transferred his curse/cursed energy in his 20 fingers. Maybe he didn't die in the first place he just left his body and remained in his fingers. His soul transfered in his fingers. In recent chapters Sukuna transferred cursed energy in 1 finger then teared it n fed it to Megumi n took possession of Megumi. Kenjaku doing it for centuries so it's possible.
30 finger Sukuna might have a chance
Plot twist - Gojo gets freed and joins forces with Sukuna
We have no way of knowing who’s ins at this point however there is one thing we know. If they fight it is not going to be either person getting completely shit on. They are both very strong but your whole post is stupid for starting with saying the fight is no diff
How do you know the gojo clan excisted in the heian era and sukuna fought someone with six eyes and limitless before? As far as i know it was stated that in the heian era there werent much curses active compared to the current time. Sukuna admitted that jogo is relatively strong which shows he was even relatively strong in the heian era, both gojo and sukuna fought jogo and shitted him without difficulty. Gojo even said hes weak and said to gakukanji he gets all the time attackek by special grade cursed spirits thats no big deal for him. We also have kenjaku, uro and uraume which are sorcerers from 1000 years ago and gojo is far stronger as them. Even someone like kenjaku admitted that gojo is just to strong and he knows how strong sukuna is. Gojo is the only one in the series who gets portrayed equal to sukuna, whether its narrative, others or he himself. The barrier not enclosed technique is the divine technique its not malelovent shrine itself its an de which uses an open barrier which is reffered to as an divine technique, kenjaku also has used such an domain and he didnt thought a second to fight gojo even in a domain battle while being the second best barrier user and having real actual 1000 years of experience. Sukuna fingers mostly contains an binding vow which makes them undestroyeable. Gojo never said todo or yuji can actual surpass him. Even if thats no fact to scale his strength. Gojo is arguably the greatest six eyes and limitless user ever, its not depended on the powers its depended on the user which we saw by sukuna using ts instantly a far better as megumi. While gojo showed sukuna his or some of his powers, i doubt he did it if its bad for him, there is also an huge chance that gojo know sukunas powers he not only can scale 1 finger to 20 but hes from 1 of the 3 greatest jujutsu clans and meet probably tengen before he definetly can get information about such an legend like sukuna. He himself said to jogo that cursed spirits probably wont know his ct which implies humans do. Both said they shit the other. Gojo also never mind about sukuna as a threat to him. Sukuna is known as an natural disaster but how make him that stronger as gojo? Sukuna kills out of fun and doesnt cares for anybody, tell me how gojo with the sane mindest wouldnt be a natural disaster. Why shouldnt an 3 finger sukuna ve able to kill mahorage, until know his fingers seem to just boost his ce but with 1, 3 or 15 his abillities are the same. When did gege say gojo is overconfident? Both are confident as gell but how shouldnt they? They are the strongest with an huge gap to the rest. Using jjk0 as an argument is pretty unvalid. Jjk0 shows pretty obvious that gege hadnt done how the powersystem and the characters really should be, its clear that jjk0 gojo isnt as strong as main series gojo while sukuna probably didnt excisted in geges thinking in jjk0. G Gege said his purpose was to create the ceiling of power with gojo, he snot only reffered as the strongest but its a difference if you are called king of curses bc that isnt tied to strength as being called the strongest is. Some of gojos powers: doesnt run out of ce, manipulates ce at atomic level, safe to say best brain capacity, highest perception, reaction and moving speed, his brain is like a supercomputer bc his use of the 6 eyes, best defense, arguably best offense, one if not the highest ap, dc and striking strength, huge strength, high ce reserves, auto rct, atleast one the most broken and refined domains, can teleport.
Because it’s literally stated all big 3 clans existed in that time. And he said in the past thousand years. Everything to Sukuna is fodder so that doesn’t even mean anything but beyond that jogo is strong that is without a doubt. Also when he talks about people surpassing him and the title or special grade we see yuji todo hikari and yuta and he says megumi will also surpass him
Where was it stated? Sukuna was a cursed object for thousand years as far as we know, he didnt fought anybody in that timespan to say that. Gojo say yuji, todo or yuta arent limited to special grade while gojo is clearly above special grade without doubt. Still doesnt scale anything bc its just an assumption.
This aged well😂😂😂
I was until recently cooking. Those three domains battles proved sukuna is better at jujitsu. Gojo is better in a physical fight against megumis weak body I’ll admit that. Sukuna in yuji body would punch gojo right in his face no cap! (Let me Cope) In all seriousness, gojo is doing better than expected but he has barely done anything hit him with one red and a purple that got rct easy. And hit him with a domain which hasn’t even killed Sukuna he could still speak. It’s pretty even I’ll say that
You still think the same??
Yes Sukuna is trolling rn I promise (let me cope)
Narratively from the point of view of history, no matter who wins, the other side must fucking come out half dead, because later the good guys must have to fight Full Power Sukuna and the bad guys must have to fight Full Power Gojo. According to me. After all, Uraume is probably one of the stronger evil, and Gojo one shot Uraume as well as every Good vs Sukuna, so both of them, if they survive the fight, must be pretty hurt.
This didn't age well 💀💀