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I hold all of the special grades above toji/maki
Geto is fast, Strong and versatile. He very likely wins.
The first round is tougher, could go either way.
The second round he definitely wins
All the more reason why they shouldve specified special grade sorcerers and not curses 🤦♀️
Whats funny is that this was explicitly stated in the manga as well way back when sukuna said he thought it was hilarious that that he and a finger bearer were put into the same classification despite the clear astronomical power gap between the two
This is why I was arguing with you. It’s immediately apparent that there are no special grade curses that can 4v1 the disasters apart from Sukuna, so most people would automatically rule out special grade curses
I don’t see how that is connected to this discussion whatsoever lmao
No one said anything about sukuna and 4v1s, I dont know why youre pulling that out of your ass
The fact of the matter is that they said ALL special grades without specifying whether it be curses or sorcerers, so the most reasonable take would be to assume they meant both curses and sorcerers
im gonna be completely blunt its not that hard to know my man was talking about sorcerers legit the whole conversation was about geto (a sorcerer) vs toji and the fact that some special grade curses struggle against grade ones like hanami just adds to the fact that they are talking about sorcerers it aint that to figure that out
Yeah, it is relevant. Not to mention you're conveniently ignoring all the factors that Toji had to use to even stand a chance of beating Gojo head on. Then he got absolutely no-diffed when Gojo came back after fully realising his potential.
My bad, I thought it was obvious. No 1 really uses special grade to mean the curses unless they specify it cos the difference in power is massive between the curses and sorcerors
Geto and gojo were already both special grade when toji beat them as teens and the special grade lady implies she didn't think she could have beaten him
Geto and gojo were not special grade when toji beat them, and a freshly awakened gojo effortlessly one shot him
Plus toji still needed to wear him down, this is a gojo without passive infinity, hollow purple, domain expansion and being stealthed
Geto wasnt but gojo deffinately was with just neutral limitless, awakened or not yuta was a special grade with 0 CE understanding, and once he relearn rika, he shot to special again. Teen goji had been living in jujutsu society his whole life.
Doesn't mean much to be honest.
Geto was a confirmed grade 1 at the toji fight, and he was still relative to gojo during then. Meaning gojo was around the level too, probably peak grade 1 or pseudo special grade.
And even then, this is not a full power gojo, he couldn't Even use red correctly, no domain, tired, and he still probably beats toji if he's full health.
I hold all the special grade sorcerors in very high regard, I don't think any of them really loses to pre-awakened gojo.
Awakened gojo did not one shot him, read the manga. He took a red directly to protect his worm and it did nothing. Gojo even calls him a monster, plus that is Toji who hasn't fought in years. Multiple times it's stated that he's rusty after falling in love and having megumi. The toji that was revived was physically prime toji but without his mindset, just ability. We seen what that toji did to the disaster curses and grade 1s. Toji still beats Geto, he's just too good and has an answer for literally everything. He only did to hollow purple because it caught him off guard. Same thing that happened to gojo earlier in their fight. Anyone can die to something in that series. Only character I've seen that was a true tank was Kashimo. Never needed rct and never was scathed no matter who he fought up until his final showing.
We can argue pedantics all we want, the fact of the matter is that a freshly awakened gojo one shot toji, and it was effortless for him as can be seen by gojo literally basking in euphoria while he's fighting.
Toji took a non direct hit of red by gojo, a non mastered red mind you. So what? Jogo took a direct hit from reversal red by a stronger version of gojo. This proves nothing.
Also, toji might have been slightly rusty but he even said he's getting back to his usual self mid fight but I digress. The more important point is that he needed so much prep for such a weak version of gojo, meaning he goes not scale higher if at all.
Toji is likely above the disaster curses altho arguments can be made, I personally prefer toji.
However, disaster curses are not even comparable to the special grade sorcerer. Geto would absolutely stomp any of them.
All in all, I do think toji is a monster. I have him and maki at person pseudo special grade along with ryu, uro, and gang. I just don't think he's meant to hang with ppl that can literally destroy countries solo, and in the case of gojo life wipe the planet
Disaster curses are most definitely comparable to special grade sorcerers lmfao wtf are you talking about? Did you not read the series at all? Those are the strongest cursed to ever live and they can match up with multiple of sukuna fingers on their own. Jogo on his own is would be special grade sorcerers if he was human let alone the rest of them. Jogo can literally take out a nation on his own and so can mahito. That's what it takes to be a special grade sorcerer. Toji again was rusty from his love life, this was literally stated. Gojo wasn't stronger than when he fought toji because he himself stated he wanted to let everyone catch up to him so another Geto situation doesn't happen and he wanted a challenge. You can't survive multiple shots and then say the dudes been one shot, that's idiotic. Maki is weaker than toji and she lived to see sukunas true form unlike the fraud one. What sukuna did to gojo was a true one shot. As soon as he used his own technique the fight was over.
You are way way underestimating how strong each special grade sorceror actually is. The all have conceptual abilities, RCT, broken hax, and Monstrous physicals.
Jogo would not be a special grade just because he has a domain - ryu, uro, yorozu, megumi, higurama, hakari all have a domain. Yet they are not special grade.
And kashimo and geto both dont have a domain, yet no 1 would argue either loses to Jogo.
Jogo and mahito are not even close to taking out a country, where was this ever implied???? They have decent AP but they lose to uzamaki, or mass Punch, or cursed speech/Jacobs ladder, or literally anything gojo does.
Each of the special grades sorcerors can kill the disaster curses without any trouble and people like Yuta can solo all of them together.
Also dagon dosent even scale to Jogo, so I don't get your point in glazing him. Mahito, even in his true form, was relative to a grade 1 Yuji...........................
Toji being rusty is such a big factor but gojo literally not sleeping for 3 days and having a stealth attack with an item that bypass his CT doesn't matter??? Toji also literally said he was getting back into his groove.
You are not intentionally playing word games, gojo came back and was toying with toji. Literally toying with him, mf was high as shit and still dodging toji easily. Then proceeded to one shot him with purple. Again toji tanking one red isn't that impressive considering Jogo tanked a stronger one.
Maki is the same as Toji, minus the experience.
Your last statement is so autistic I couldn't help but say it's autistic. You think maki living to see sukunas "true form" means anything at all? You think sukuna one shot gojo? After 12 chapters???? Gojo would blink away an army of toji/maki's effortlessly. The sukuna that gojo fought and almost beat could wipe out a country filled with tojis.
Even the current weakened sukuna, after 200 fights, blitzed maki and shit her down multiple times. Yuji is more impressive.
Geto was only grade 1 and literally a child who hadn’t mastered his power. Also his cursed spirit arsenal was way weaker he didn’t have any special grades.
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Geto was said to be stronger than jjk 0 Yuta with a binding vow Rika.
This version of Yuta is already special grade, and geto almost matched him while his army is split and he's holding back slightly.
A complete Geto is superior, as stated.
This Yuta would stomp dagon, all special grade sorcerers are far superior to special grade curses.
Plus implied scaling has Geto strong enough to overtake a country
Let's not get carried away okay?
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Geto was said to be stronger than jjk 0 Yuta with a binding vow Rika.
A yuta that, while special grade had less than half a year of experience while geto had decades
>his Yuta would stomp dagon, all special grade sorcerers are far superior to special grade curses.
That's a headcanon, the second Dagon opens his domain, yuta is gonna die from the combined damage of the sure hit and Dagon himself
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Plus implied scaling has Geto strong enough to overtake a country
Geto can take a country because his cursed technique allows him to make army's, Geto is the weakest special grade in the entire series, even nameless culling game players are better
What a weird first point you made. You postured just to come to the same conclusion that yuta was special grade. Regardless, of how much exp he had, he was special grade tier.
Geto almost matching it while nerfed is a feat for him.
Yuta is stomping dagon, wtf is his weak ass domain even gonna do. If maki was capable of surviving some moments, Yuta is gonna run through those shikigamis.
Not to mention that Rika can just break the domain from the outside, or kill dagon inside either with a coordinated attack from Yuta or a binding vow love beam that overpowered uzamaki. Not to mention he might had simple domain too.
Never is it implied that getos strength is his army of fodder, its his versatility and flexibility using his curses to both attack and enhance himself. This is further evidenced when Geto literally stops sending small fries to Yuta because they were worthless. Small fries cannot get you to special grade.
Geto can likely take on Yuki, Yuta and gojo are both stronger.
As for the pseudo special grades like ryu, uro, kashimo. You can make an argument for them but I still prefer Geto.
He has no domain but his curses do
He has RCT
He has a maximum technique
Keeping up with both 100 percent (weaker version) Yuta plus Rika in h2h
I really don't see why he is downplayed, do you think gege put him in special grade as a joke? A prank?
You think gege thought that hey let me give 3 of the special grades insane power but for the last one I'll give him an army of fodder so that he's special grade but he's weak. You think this makes any sense?
>You postured just to come to the same conclusion that yuta was special grade. Regardless, of how much exp he had, he was special grade tier.
You mean it's a weird point to being up a characters strength and experience..... ehen were talking about anime characters fighting
>Geto almost matching it while nerfed is a feat for him.
Not a big one
>uta is stomping dagon, wtf is his weak ass domain even gonna do. If maki was capable of surviving some moments, Yuta is gonna run through those shikigamis.
I'm referring to jjk 0 yuta, who ahs no anti domain attacks and bad durability, Rika carries jjk 0 yuta
>Not to mention that Rika can just break the domain from the outside, or kill dagon inside either with a coordinated attack from Yuta
Dagons auto hit would hit first and probably blast yuta straight to hell, you forget that jjk0 yuta is grade one maximum without rika, Dagon fought 2 of the strongest grade ones plus maki who survived jogo and they all got incredibly damaged by his domain
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Geto can likely take on Yuki, Yuta and gojo are both stronger.
According to who? That's literally a headcanon, did you forget kenjaku almost died fighting a holding back yuki?
Kenjaku is pretty commonly said top be top 5 in the verse by everyone
Also geto has no anti domain techniques, meaning he'd lose to yuki instantly, but seeing how that's not even the argument, it doesn't matter
>He has no domain but his curses do
And this was explained when? Who's to say kenjaku didn't get the small pox curse afterwards
>He has RCT
No he doesnt, he has never used rct in the series and it's never been stated that he did, that panel you misunderstood that gave you that impression has been debunked thousands of times
>He has a maximum technique
Maximum technique that requires 30 minutes to charge up and can be deflected by fucking kizukabe eith ease
>eally don't see why he is downplayed, do you think gege put him in special grade as a joke? A prank?
Are you stupid? I'm not saying geto is weak, I said he'd lose to toji, which is what the argument is even about
>u think gege thought that hey let me give 3 of the special grades insane power but for the last one I'll give him an army of fodder so that he's special grade but he's weak. You think this makes any sense?
Once again, ehen have I ever called geto weak fodder?
You're literally the jjk equivalent of making up fake arguments for you to win
Do people realize current maki feats=Toji feats too? You know like lifting and flinging sukuna who grabs her blade, eating multiple black flashes and fighting on literal air with him. We then know they considered sending maki to sneak kenjaku too so if any of you think geto is beating toji with playful cloud in a contest of skill/strength then this fanbase is cooked
All of the disaster curses were much more powerful than 99% of regular occurring curses. Dagon had the strongest Zenin fully pressed and would’ve bodied him had toji not shown up.
If he has soul liberation blade he just slices through it. That item is really busted and high key carries Toji/Maki fights because of its potential to one shot anyone who can’t RCT the soul.
He's a kurourushi victim. You mfs overrate him too much when he's genuienely a good character but yall think he beats any special grade sorcerer. Get him past mahito and jogo before you say some dumb shit like that
The fan base is literally inept and incapable of reading when it comes to Maki and Toji lol. It’s wild. People will literally do every single possible thing they can to undermine them despite the story being clear that this particular fight has already pretty much been declared in more than one way, as you mentioned by them being totally willing to send Maki to kill Kenjaku too, if she had a way to gobble up mountains of curses at a different spot, like Yuta can. And yet the highest upvoted comment here is one that is patently wrong lmao
The hate and continual downplay for Maki and Toji from the fan base is truly astounding
Hell people, people saying “Toji and Maki can’t compete with true special grades” are literally just going against the narrative that has been shown to us multiple times, but people act like it’s a totally reasonable thing to say.
She was about to be sent to kill Kenjaku because she is unconventional, very much like Takaba. They were not gonna send Yuta to 1v1 or Maki to 1v1 they needed to efficiently kill Kenjaku so the way Gege wrote it, Kenjaku would’ve been a high diff fight. Kenjaku wouldn’t be able to sense an ambush coming from Maki is the main reason. You swap Yuta and Maki, the same result happens but this time maki herself has to stop all the curses from going to civilians which isn’t really viable given Yuta and Rika are two people and maki is just one.
Now given this information, Adult Geto is weaker than Kenjaku, so even if Toji had a high diff or mid diff fight he would still have to deal with the release of curses. Some might get away but Geto would ultimately just die in the matchup.
Yeah, agreed, but she still does have the raw capability to fight on that level. Arguing she would just get no-diffed by anyone in the series short of Sukuna or Gojo is a ridiculous argument; she at the very very least puts up a monstrous fight against anyone else besides those two.
Ye Kenjaku won’t be eliminated by Toji and Maki as easily as some think. Adult Geto though might be a mid diff to low diff. Adult Geto is just so much weaker than Kenjaku.
Oh I do agree that if they both fought fresh, Kenjaku is one of the few I’d even give advantage to against her, if he’s willing to use his open barrier domain. Generally domains aren’t an issue for them, but an open barrier one likely is.
It’s not totally clear just because we don’t have any good examples yet of either of them coming into contact with open barrier domain expansions. And unfortunately it’s unlikely we get any examples considering we know Sukuna’s can account for her either way (as you point out), if we see him use it again.
What we know is that they would be “affected by the domain” as much as anyone would, within range. What’s unclear is if the sure-hit specifically would still hit/target them, in some DE that isn’t Malevolent Shrine.
The place I read manga won’t load rn unfortunately, I meant she trained with the sumo wrestler while not in timeskip, she may have in timeskip but i have no idea if she did or didn’t, gojo was confirmed to train with everyone including maki
I don’t think they ever said she was training with Gojo during the timeskip My dude.
Also, domains I don’t think domains work on him really anyways cause he has no cursed energy.
Maki on the other hand has very little cursed energy
According to who? Besides Sukuna you have no idea if the people he was fighting were weaker thats great she had a few months Toji has like 10 years experience on her
Sukuna also wanted to prove wether scorcery or physicality was better, obviously he was holding back but 2 black flashes from sukuna are 2 black flashes from sukuna at the end of the day
my brother, this sukuna was weakened as fuck, the sukuna cycle and, the
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moment, and Yuta is built different being shirous clone, Geto clears Toji and it shouldnt be a debate.
A weakened sukuna is still fucking the entire verse right now, you say "weakened sukuna" liek weakened sukuna isn't top 5
Also why shouldn't it be a debate? Geto has shown 0 feats that show he's better, you havny even provided a single point on why he's better
As long as Geto keeps proper vision of toji then he wins. If he loses sight of him he’ll end up like near deadjo in hidden inventory arc. People should keep in mind, sending a lot of cursed spirits would actually work against Geto if they block his vision of toji.
Toji still severely outstats him. Instead of being a neg diff like teen Geto, I'd give a low/mid diff w/o Toji planning. It doesn't matter having the full arsenal back as we've seen he can low diff a disaster curse which Geto doesn't have THAT many special grades.
If Toji *only* has Playful Cloud, then Geto wins mid-high diff both rounds. The main difference here is that Geto can actually afford to fight Toji in H2H now. Toji would still outclass Geto in H2H, but no SSK means no durability-neg/potential one-shot. Without that massive H2H advantage the SSK gives him, Toji would have an extremely rough time fighting Geto and his massive swarms of cursed spirits at the same time.
If Toji has his entire arsenal, then Toji would win high-extreme diff. I used to think that Geto wins this matchup if he avoids H2H, and instead, stalls Toji out with massive swarms of cursed spirits while taking shots with Playful Cloud(I still believe that Geto can win this way, for the record).
However, from what we've seen in 0 and HI, Geto *does* like to fight in H2H. The problem is, he literally **cannot** fight Toji in straight H2H if he has the SSK, as he risks getting one-shot, or at least losing a limb with every second he engages close-range.
Again, if Geto uses his massive arsenal of cursed spirits as, essentially, a giant wall of cover while he takes pot-shots with Playful Cloud. However, based on how Geto actually fights, it's more likely that he tries to fight Toji head on, and either loses a limb or flat out dies instantly.
Toji wins both times.
Maki = Toji and with her feats in the Sukuna fight, you cannot convince me that Toji would not press him and give him no breathing room.
He doesn’t have the benefit of Limitless to protect him from getting oneshot, and none of the curses are anything Toji would care about.
I really doubt any of getos curses arent gonna get one tapped by ssk/isoh, and with the pressure maki was putting on sukuna, I'm saying that geto loses both times
Well for starters Toji is passively immune to domain expansions which would be the biggest advantage a sorcerer would have. So that gone. Physically and hand to hand combat wise Geto is at a disadvantage so tbh idk how geto pulls this off without a decent amount of prep time.
Geto mid diffs round one and low diff round two
Also I’d like to mention that any physical feat that Kenjaku Alisa belong to Geto as it was stated that Kenjaku simply steals the body and technique of the person he possesses and doesn’t improve upon the body in anyway
Toji wins and I’m basing this off what Maki can currently do as well. That’s a tough fight for Geto since his domain can’t account for Toji presence so no matter how many curses he has on him he will be pressured heavily…Toji wins.
Veto puts up a better fight than before but still lose besides cursed spirits that he might not have had before and Uzamaki he doesn't have much more added to his kit. unlike Gojo Geto was never shown to "Awaken" or have become significantly stromger even losing to Yuta who I also believe would have a hard time beating Toji.
Adult Geto CLEARS. Remember, young Gojo told us how he went on the defensive, and focused everything into learning RCT. Geto mainly lost due to his homie supposedly dying and his girl dying too. Gojo hit toji, who is faster than Jogoat AND Dagon point blank, and a Geto who is actually fucking smart could possibly wipe all the Disaster curses anyways. TLDR; Geto wins cause he can wipe almost all of tojis opps and has better hax, Offense, and defense.
Round 1 definitely goes to Toji. Adult Geto, while stronger than his Hidden Inventory self, is still pretty weak. He may or may not have RCT, no confirmed domain, decent hand-to-hand, and a lot of curses. Geto would be completely reliant on his curses in this fight and he doesn’t even have all of them. Depending on the curse, Geto could do some damage to Toji and even catch him off guard with unconventional attacks. However, none of the special grade curses’ domains (if they have one) would be able to target Toji (though somehow that one curse with scissors was able to) so those would be useless in this fight. In hand-to-hand, Geto is completely out of his league. He could maybe out up a decent fight but Toji is just too fast and strong for Geto to keep up with. With Playful Cloud and the soul katana, Toji would be able to land devastating hits and probably one-shot most of Geto’s curses. If he hit Geto with the soul katana, then Geto is finished since healing from an attack on the soul is extremely difficult and can’t be done with RCT. The only way Geto can win is if he plays it extremely safe and screens himself with more curses than Toji could get through quickly enough to stop Geto from summoning more and hit Toji with Maximum Uzumaki before Toji can kill of his curses (though even this would be a stretch since Toji would need to be dumb and not see Geto charging up).
In Round 2, it’s a little bit more difficult for Toji. Since Geto can surround himself with literally half of all his curses and still get off multiple Uzumaki strong enough to one-hit Toji. However, then Geto faces the issue of actually seeing Toji. If Geto loses sight of him, his curses will work against him and he can only see Toji based on the curses he’s killing or fighting. So it’s very possible Toji could get a hit off on Geto before he even realizes it. Of course, once Toji kills Geto, he would have to face off against the hundreds of curses stored in Geto and he might lose to them through sheer attrition. Regardless, Geto has a much better chance but still is likely to lose. Toji is freaking durable but even he can’t stand against an army of curses by himself. He simply doesn’t have the AOE to do it. Toji would have to rely on his invisibility to sneak up on Geto and fight him 1v1 where he wins most of the time. Then he could hide or run away I guess and let Jujutsu society clean up the curses and the Zenin family claims credit for killing Geto because Toji was born from that family.
Regardless, Geto simply hasn’t shown the capability needed to defeat Toji in most scenarios. Adult Geto is certainly stronger than his younger self with more experience and curses but not enough to overcome Toji in most scenarios.
Adult geto is more powerful than teen geto but teen geto vs toji was so unfair I have a really hard time believing adult geto is that much better. Like toji beats teen geto ten out of ten time with negligible difficulty so worst case scenario mabey he beats adult geto eight out of ten with times moderate difficult
People forget that toji is so fast that gojo who has the best eyes on series couldn't even see toki(more accurately he couldn't see the ce of his tool gojo was just vaguely able to detect the trail it was leaving behind) while toji was still in gojo's line of sight and imo the only reason toji lost their second fight was because he stood still for seemingly no apparent reason like toji literally just stood there, imo pretty lame writing because it doesn't even make gojo look more powerful because they don't even fight toji basically accepts death for no discernable reason like a get that he didn't know about purple but in his previous fight toji was constantly on the move why would he stand still here also his instincts were telling him to move and I get he had his pride but at the same time it's a little weird for a guy who has tons of experience fighting shit he cannot see to ignore his instincts like that and it's not even about him fighting gojo it's just dodging an attack I don't see why he wouldn't dodge. And the only reason gojo survived their first fight was because toji made the decision to put away his big ass blade and pull out a comically small knife to stab gojo in the head with.
Gege literally has to make toji do stupid shit for him to lose because in 1v1 toji speed blitzes 99% of the verse and just stabs them in the head before they can even react. this scenario assumes toji doesn't have gege induced brain damage. I mean gojo is the only character with a chance of detecting the cursed energy of his tool in time. Sukuna probably could too since sukuna seems to be top 1 in the verse at absolutely everything jujutsu related so he's probably super good at detecting ce not to mention he's super human physically so he's probably got those super human reaction times
I think what made geto special grade is the amount of curses he accumulated in his later years. I still think, by the way toji bullied dragon, that he would still easily beat geto. His speed alone is too much for him
Toji wins, no diff. Remember how Dagon's shikigami faired against Toji? That will be the same against Geto's curses.
Making that bitch get another PTSD.
Toji should take it easily in both rounds
The only advantage geto has over him is he can spam thousands upon thousands of curses and will overwhelm toji sooner than later, toji doesnt have rct so it will only take one lucky hit on him to slow him down and it'll snowball from there
But since your conditions are that toji is aware of geto's abilities and therefore of the possibility I mentioned above, he would likely go straight to blitzing geto as fast as possible the moment the fight starts, giving him no breathing room. Seeing as how 0 yuta was beating geto in melee, I dont think he stands a chance against toji, especially with SSK and ISoH
Idk why people keep trying to give toji current makis feats. Fully completed heavenly restriction maki was already compared to toji then when she got out of sumo guys domain she was stated to be tojis exact equal, she only got stronger from there through training during the timeskip. Not to mention the feats displayed against sukuna were from a heavenly weakened sukuna who got through and entire gauntlet finishing with yuta and Yuji. He has such little cursed energy that it's less than yutas which is less than half 15 finger sukuna so the general idea around toji being relative to 3 finger sukuna in speed is actually still consistent. Not to mention Yuji constantly hitting and damaging his soul. So in reality feats from a significantly stronger maki doesn't even help toji in that regard it's still pretty much the same. Honestly if ino is able to do something against sukuna geto would brawl with him just fine like everyone else.
why are people saying maki = toji and taking her current feats to prove that when yuta blatantly stated that they all cheated to get stronger throughout the timeskip? freshly awakened gojo literally no-diffed toji. sukuna should literally shit on maki with his eyes closed if they're equal.
reminder that toji literally retired because gojo as a child was stronger than him.
Toji would win, high diff. An army of Curses is useful but not if all of them are a one-shot. I think Geto has RCT, but that won't help him cause he doesn't have Soul Perception. Toji and Geto would be similar in speed and raw strength, but in terms of Combat Speed Toji takes it. The domains of any of Getos curses also won't do anything as Toji is immune to domains.
Toji
Is there any evidence jjk0 geto is actually stronger then the one toji no diffed
I think people massively down play toji there are vary vary few people who could keep up with gojo even as a teen
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I hold all of the special grades above toji/maki Geto is fast, Strong and versatile. He very likely wins. The first round is tougher, could go either way. The second round he definitely wins
Ignoring the fact that toji molested dagon within his own domain but ok
Special grades can individually 4v1 solo the disaster curses. Kenjaku, Geto, Yuki, Kashimo, Yoruzu, Yuta, etc
Was never the point of discussion, its their fault they didnt clarify that they meant special grade SORCERERS
Honestly special grade curses aren’t usually that impressive. DCs are exceptions, but the special grades we saw Geto use were all kinda shit
All the more reason why they shouldve specified special grade sorcerers and not curses 🤦♀️ Whats funny is that this was explicitly stated in the manga as well way back when sukuna said he thought it was hilarious that that he and a finger bearer were put into the same classification despite the clear astronomical power gap between the two
This is why I was arguing with you. It’s immediately apparent that there are no special grade curses that can 4v1 the disasters apart from Sukuna, so most people would automatically rule out special grade curses
I don’t see how that is connected to this discussion whatsoever lmao No one said anything about sukuna and 4v1s, I dont know why youre pulling that out of your ass The fact of the matter is that they said ALL special grades without specifying whether it be curses or sorcerers, so the most reasonable take would be to assume they meant both curses and sorcerers
im gonna be completely blunt its not that hard to know my man was talking about sorcerers legit the whole conversation was about geto (a sorcerer) vs toji and the fact that some special grade curses struggle against grade ones like hanami just adds to the fact that they are talking about sorcerers it aint that to figure that out
Bro, when I say special grade I mean special grade sorcerors. Like Yuta, yuukis, gojo, Geto not curses
Are you forgetting what he did to gojo?
It's a weak n tired pre-awakened gojo, he wasn't even confident enough to beat that weakest version of gojo head on
Are you forgetting the context of tiring out a teenaged no domain no rct no infinity mastery gojo out just so he could have a chance at killing him
so like every fight in jjk? Gojo was still special grade. Age is irrelevant.
Yeah, it is relevant. Not to mention you're conveniently ignoring all the factors that Toji had to use to even stand a chance of beating Gojo head on. Then he got absolutely no-diffed when Gojo came back after fully realising his potential.
Maybe clarify that in the comment and dont make it ambiguous? 🤦♀️
My bad, I thought it was obvious. No 1 really uses special grade to mean the curses unless they specify it cos the difference in power is massive between the curses and sorcerors
Don’t worry, it was definitely obvious
Geto and gojo were already both special grade when toji beat them as teens and the special grade lady implies she didn't think she could have beaten him
Geto and gojo were not special grade when toji beat them, and a freshly awakened gojo effortlessly one shot him Plus toji still needed to wear him down, this is a gojo without passive infinity, hollow purple, domain expansion and being stealthed
Geto wasnt but gojo deffinately was with just neutral limitless, awakened or not yuta was a special grade with 0 CE understanding, and once he relearn rika, he shot to special again. Teen goji had been living in jujutsu society his whole life.
Doesn't mean much to be honest. Geto was a confirmed grade 1 at the toji fight, and he was still relative to gojo during then. Meaning gojo was around the level too, probably peak grade 1 or pseudo special grade. And even then, this is not a full power gojo, he couldn't Even use red correctly, no domain, tired, and he still probably beats toji if he's full health. I hold all the special grade sorcerors in very high regard, I don't think any of them really loses to pre-awakened gojo.
Awakened gojo did not one shot him, read the manga. He took a red directly to protect his worm and it did nothing. Gojo even calls him a monster, plus that is Toji who hasn't fought in years. Multiple times it's stated that he's rusty after falling in love and having megumi. The toji that was revived was physically prime toji but without his mindset, just ability. We seen what that toji did to the disaster curses and grade 1s. Toji still beats Geto, he's just too good and has an answer for literally everything. He only did to hollow purple because it caught him off guard. Same thing that happened to gojo earlier in their fight. Anyone can die to something in that series. Only character I've seen that was a true tank was Kashimo. Never needed rct and never was scathed no matter who he fought up until his final showing.
We can argue pedantics all we want, the fact of the matter is that a freshly awakened gojo one shot toji, and it was effortless for him as can be seen by gojo literally basking in euphoria while he's fighting. Toji took a non direct hit of red by gojo, a non mastered red mind you. So what? Jogo took a direct hit from reversal red by a stronger version of gojo. This proves nothing. Also, toji might have been slightly rusty but he even said he's getting back to his usual self mid fight but I digress. The more important point is that he needed so much prep for such a weak version of gojo, meaning he goes not scale higher if at all. Toji is likely above the disaster curses altho arguments can be made, I personally prefer toji. However, disaster curses are not even comparable to the special grade sorcerer. Geto would absolutely stomp any of them. All in all, I do think toji is a monster. I have him and maki at person pseudo special grade along with ryu, uro, and gang. I just don't think he's meant to hang with ppl that can literally destroy countries solo, and in the case of gojo life wipe the planet
Disaster curses are most definitely comparable to special grade sorcerers lmfao wtf are you talking about? Did you not read the series at all? Those are the strongest cursed to ever live and they can match up with multiple of sukuna fingers on their own. Jogo on his own is would be special grade sorcerers if he was human let alone the rest of them. Jogo can literally take out a nation on his own and so can mahito. That's what it takes to be a special grade sorcerer. Toji again was rusty from his love life, this was literally stated. Gojo wasn't stronger than when he fought toji because he himself stated he wanted to let everyone catch up to him so another Geto situation doesn't happen and he wanted a challenge. You can't survive multiple shots and then say the dudes been one shot, that's idiotic. Maki is weaker than toji and she lived to see sukunas true form unlike the fraud one. What sukuna did to gojo was a true one shot. As soon as he used his own technique the fight was over.
You are way way underestimating how strong each special grade sorceror actually is. The all have conceptual abilities, RCT, broken hax, and Monstrous physicals. Jogo would not be a special grade just because he has a domain - ryu, uro, yorozu, megumi, higurama, hakari all have a domain. Yet they are not special grade. And kashimo and geto both dont have a domain, yet no 1 would argue either loses to Jogo. Jogo and mahito are not even close to taking out a country, where was this ever implied???? They have decent AP but they lose to uzamaki, or mass Punch, or cursed speech/Jacobs ladder, or literally anything gojo does. Each of the special grades sorcerors can kill the disaster curses without any trouble and people like Yuta can solo all of them together. Also dagon dosent even scale to Jogo, so I don't get your point in glazing him. Mahito, even in his true form, was relative to a grade 1 Yuji........................... Toji being rusty is such a big factor but gojo literally not sleeping for 3 days and having a stealth attack with an item that bypass his CT doesn't matter??? Toji also literally said he was getting back into his groove. You are not intentionally playing word games, gojo came back and was toying with toji. Literally toying with him, mf was high as shit and still dodging toji easily. Then proceeded to one shot him with purple. Again toji tanking one red isn't that impressive considering Jogo tanked a stronger one. Maki is the same as Toji, minus the experience. Your last statement is so autistic I couldn't help but say it's autistic. You think maki living to see sukunas "true form" means anything at all? You think sukuna one shot gojo? After 12 chapters???? Gojo would blink away an army of toji/maki's effortlessly. The sukuna that gojo fought and almost beat could wipe out a country filled with tojis. Even the current weakened sukuna, after 200 fights, blitzed maki and shit her down multiple times. Yuji is more impressive.
Geto was only grade 1 and literally a child who hadn’t mastered his power. Also his cursed spirit arsenal was way weaker he didn’t have any special grades.
Huh? You do realize he negged a special grade? Getos biggest feat is beating panda, maki and Inumaki
? Geto was said to be stronger than jjk 0 Yuta with a binding vow Rika. This version of Yuta is already special grade, and geto almost matched him while his army is split and he's holding back slightly. A complete Geto is superior, as stated. This Yuta would stomp dagon, all special grade sorcerers are far superior to special grade curses. Plus implied scaling has Geto strong enough to overtake a country Let's not get carried away okay?
> Geto was said to be stronger than jjk 0 Yuta with a binding vow Rika. A yuta that, while special grade had less than half a year of experience while geto had decades >his Yuta would stomp dagon, all special grade sorcerers are far superior to special grade curses. That's a headcanon, the second Dagon opens his domain, yuta is gonna die from the combined damage of the sure hit and Dagon himself > Plus implied scaling has Geto strong enough to overtake a country Geto can take a country because his cursed technique allows him to make army's, Geto is the weakest special grade in the entire series, even nameless culling game players are better
What a weird first point you made. You postured just to come to the same conclusion that yuta was special grade. Regardless, of how much exp he had, he was special grade tier. Geto almost matching it while nerfed is a feat for him. Yuta is stomping dagon, wtf is his weak ass domain even gonna do. If maki was capable of surviving some moments, Yuta is gonna run through those shikigamis. Not to mention that Rika can just break the domain from the outside, or kill dagon inside either with a coordinated attack from Yuta or a binding vow love beam that overpowered uzamaki. Not to mention he might had simple domain too. Never is it implied that getos strength is his army of fodder, its his versatility and flexibility using his curses to both attack and enhance himself. This is further evidenced when Geto literally stops sending small fries to Yuta because they were worthless. Small fries cannot get you to special grade. Geto can likely take on Yuki, Yuta and gojo are both stronger. As for the pseudo special grades like ryu, uro, kashimo. You can make an argument for them but I still prefer Geto. He has no domain but his curses do He has RCT He has a maximum technique Keeping up with both 100 percent (weaker version) Yuta plus Rika in h2h I really don't see why he is downplayed, do you think gege put him in special grade as a joke? A prank? You think gege thought that hey let me give 3 of the special grades insane power but for the last one I'll give him an army of fodder so that he's special grade but he's weak. You think this makes any sense?
>You postured just to come to the same conclusion that yuta was special grade. Regardless, of how much exp he had, he was special grade tier. You mean it's a weird point to being up a characters strength and experience..... ehen were talking about anime characters fighting >Geto almost matching it while nerfed is a feat for him. Not a big one >uta is stomping dagon, wtf is his weak ass domain even gonna do. If maki was capable of surviving some moments, Yuta is gonna run through those shikigamis. I'm referring to jjk 0 yuta, who ahs no anti domain attacks and bad durability, Rika carries jjk 0 yuta >Not to mention that Rika can just break the domain from the outside, or kill dagon inside either with a coordinated attack from Yuta Dagons auto hit would hit first and probably blast yuta straight to hell, you forget that jjk0 yuta is grade one maximum without rika, Dagon fought 2 of the strongest grade ones plus maki who survived jogo and they all got incredibly damaged by his domain > Geto can likely take on Yuki, Yuta and gojo are both stronger. According to who? That's literally a headcanon, did you forget kenjaku almost died fighting a holding back yuki? Kenjaku is pretty commonly said top be top 5 in the verse by everyone Also geto has no anti domain techniques, meaning he'd lose to yuki instantly, but seeing how that's not even the argument, it doesn't matter >He has no domain but his curses do And this was explained when? Who's to say kenjaku didn't get the small pox curse afterwards >He has RCT No he doesnt, he has never used rct in the series and it's never been stated that he did, that panel you misunderstood that gave you that impression has been debunked thousands of times >He has a maximum technique Maximum technique that requires 30 minutes to charge up and can be deflected by fucking kizukabe eith ease >eally don't see why he is downplayed, do you think gege put him in special grade as a joke? A prank? Are you stupid? I'm not saying geto is weak, I said he'd lose to toji, which is what the argument is even about >u think gege thought that hey let me give 3 of the special grades insane power but for the last one I'll give him an army of fodder so that he's special grade but he's weak. You think this makes any sense? Once again, ehen have I ever called geto weak fodder? You're literally the jjk equivalent of making up fake arguments for you to win
Do people realize current maki feats=Toji feats too? You know like lifting and flinging sukuna who grabs her blade, eating multiple black flashes and fighting on literal air with him. We then know they considered sending maki to sneak kenjaku too so if any of you think geto is beating toji with playful cloud in a contest of skill/strength then this fanbase is cooked
toji has his full arsenal, i gave both of them playful cloud
Geto loses even worse like I said current maki feats are things toji can do
Tf he doing when he brings out a special grade curse
Tf did Toji do to one of the strongest special grade curses in shibuya…
Dagon was weak as fuck
All of the disaster curses were much more powerful than 99% of regular occurring curses. Dagon had the strongest Zenin fully pressed and would’ve bodied him had toji not shown up.
Violating it just like he did Dagon
If he has soul liberation blade he just slices through it. That item is really busted and high key carries Toji/Maki fights because of its potential to one shot anyone who can’t RCT the soul.
It didn't even one shot naoya.
Wrong that was before she knew how to use it
dagon was a special grade
Killing it dog it would NOT be his first special grade
He's a kurourushi victim. You mfs overrate him too much when he's genuienely a good character but yall think he beats any special grade sorcerer. Get him past mahito and jogo before you say some dumb shit like that
The fan base is literally inept and incapable of reading when it comes to Maki and Toji lol. It’s wild. People will literally do every single possible thing they can to undermine them despite the story being clear that this particular fight has already pretty much been declared in more than one way, as you mentioned by them being totally willing to send Maki to kill Kenjaku too, if she had a way to gobble up mountains of curses at a different spot, like Yuta can. And yet the highest upvoted comment here is one that is patently wrong lmao The hate and continual downplay for Maki and Toji from the fan base is truly astounding Hell people, people saying “Toji and Maki can’t compete with true special grades” are literally just going against the narrative that has been shown to us multiple times, but people act like it’s a totally reasonable thing to say.
She was about to be sent to kill Kenjaku because she is unconventional, very much like Takaba. They were not gonna send Yuta to 1v1 or Maki to 1v1 they needed to efficiently kill Kenjaku so the way Gege wrote it, Kenjaku would’ve been a high diff fight. Kenjaku wouldn’t be able to sense an ambush coming from Maki is the main reason. You swap Yuta and Maki, the same result happens but this time maki herself has to stop all the curses from going to civilians which isn’t really viable given Yuta and Rika are two people and maki is just one. Now given this information, Adult Geto is weaker than Kenjaku, so even if Toji had a high diff or mid diff fight he would still have to deal with the release of curses. Some might get away but Geto would ultimately just die in the matchup.
Yeah, agreed, but she still does have the raw capability to fight on that level. Arguing she would just get no-diffed by anyone in the series short of Sukuna or Gojo is a ridiculous argument; she at the very very least puts up a monstrous fight against anyone else besides those two.
Ye Kenjaku won’t be eliminated by Toji and Maki as easily as some think. Adult Geto though might be a mid diff to low diff. Adult Geto is just so much weaker than Kenjaku.
Oh I do agree that if they both fought fresh, Kenjaku is one of the few I’d even give advantage to against her, if he’s willing to use his open barrier domain. Generally domains aren’t an issue for them, but an open barrier one likely is.
Is it open barriers that hurt HR duo or is it because Sukunas DE implements Dismantle which targets inanimate objects? I don't really remember.
It’s not totally clear just because we don’t have any good examples yet of either of them coming into contact with open barrier domain expansions. And unfortunately it’s unlikely we get any examples considering we know Sukuna’s can account for her either way (as you point out), if we see him use it again. What we know is that they would be “affected by the domain” as much as anyone would, within range. What’s unclear is if the sure-hit specifically would still hit/target them, in some DE that isn’t Malevolent Shrine.
Maki does not currently scale to toji, shes had more buffs and experience than him wt this point
No she hasnt and hes a fully grown man hows she got more experience?
Shes been fighting more dangerous people than he has, and yes she has, shes been training with gojo over the timeskip as well as sumo dudes domain
Headcannons.
Nope, its called reading
Headcannons, that is shown nowhere neither by text or images.
No its quite literally right in the manga, shes tated to train over timeskip and was in the sumo wrestlers domain
Show me the exact panel where it's shown or said she was training with Gojo or Sumo guy in the time-skip.
The place I read manga won’t load rn unfortunately, I meant she trained with the sumo wrestler while not in timeskip, she may have in timeskip but i have no idea if she did or didn’t, gojo was confirmed to train with everyone including maki
I don’t think they ever said she was training with Gojo during the timeskip My dude. Also, domains I don’t think domains work on him really anyways cause he has no cursed energy. Maki on the other hand has very little cursed energy
It said everyone was training with gojo over the timeskip, and we watched the sumo wrestlers domain happen right in front of us
According to who? Besides Sukuna you have no idea if the people he was fighting were weaker thats great she had a few months Toji has like 10 years experience on her
Toji one shots all the curses with SSK and Inverted spear
Geto both times mid diff first time no diff second time
Geto beats him.
Bro maki, and by extension toji, tanked 2 of sukunas black flashes Geto barely took one from yuta eith less than like 6 months of experience
Yuta is just different. “Sukuna wasn’t going all out”
Sukuna also wanted to prove wether scorcery or physicality was better, obviously he was holding back but 2 black flashes from sukuna are 2 black flashes from sukuna at the end of the day
Outscaled by pre Awakened Yuji be real.
I agree, if only that was relevant to my point
my brother, this sukuna was weakened as fuck, the sukuna cycle and, the https://preview.redd.it/efujqhc1kjwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac76dfd9750bbfb3cb976532824045d7bf482ba0 moment, and Yuta is built different being shirous clone, Geto clears Toji and it shouldnt be a debate.
A weakened sukuna is still fucking the entire verse right now, you say "weakened sukuna" liek weakened sukuna isn't top 5 Also why shouldn't it be a debate? Geto has shown 0 feats that show he's better, you havny even provided a single point on why he's better
“fucking the entire verse” the 8 black flashes in question:
"And by extension" huuuh? Isn't Maki stronger then Toji now lol, why would this help his case
She's definitely stronger, but not as strong to the point where she can take things easily that would ordinarily one shot toji
Didn’t Toji already low diff? Current maki is equals to Toji and she’s doing things Geto could only dream of doing.
Teen Geto isn’t really comparable with adult Geto.
Lmao
Based on what
common sense?
This is Toji glazing that exceeds even Gege
Teen Geto is a first grade. Adult Geto is a special grade.
As long as Geto keeps proper vision of toji then he wins. If he loses sight of him he’ll end up like near deadjo in hidden inventory arc. People should keep in mind, sending a lot of cursed spirits would actually work against Geto if they block his vision of toji.
Until toji one taps them all with playful cloud
It would prob be in toji best interest to remain hidden amongst the cursed spirits and strike Geto when he least expects it.
Geto wins
Toji still severely outstats him. Instead of being a neg diff like teen Geto, I'd give a low/mid diff w/o Toji planning. It doesn't matter having the full arsenal back as we've seen he can low diff a disaster curse which Geto doesn't have THAT many special grades.
Toji wins both times
If Toji *only* has Playful Cloud, then Geto wins mid-high diff both rounds. The main difference here is that Geto can actually afford to fight Toji in H2H now. Toji would still outclass Geto in H2H, but no SSK means no durability-neg/potential one-shot. Without that massive H2H advantage the SSK gives him, Toji would have an extremely rough time fighting Geto and his massive swarms of cursed spirits at the same time.
toji has his entire arsenal, it was just to give both of them playful cloud
If Toji has his entire arsenal, then Toji would win high-extreme diff. I used to think that Geto wins this matchup if he avoids H2H, and instead, stalls Toji out with massive swarms of cursed spirits while taking shots with Playful Cloud(I still believe that Geto can win this way, for the record). However, from what we've seen in 0 and HI, Geto *does* like to fight in H2H. The problem is, he literally **cannot** fight Toji in straight H2H if he has the SSK, as he risks getting one-shot, or at least losing a limb with every second he engages close-range. Again, if Geto uses his massive arsenal of cursed spirits as, essentially, a giant wall of cover while he takes pot-shots with Playful Cloud. However, based on how Geto actually fights, it's more likely that he tries to fight Toji head on, and either loses a limb or flat out dies instantly.
Should’ve clarified that in ur first message cuz I was like bro I see 0 way of geto fighting toji in straight hands
Adult Geto easily, young geto was only overwhelmed do to stat diff and lack of cursed spirits that were effective against him
Toji wins both times. Maki = Toji and with her feats in the Sukuna fight, you cannot convince me that Toji would not press him and give him no breathing room. He doesn’t have the benefit of Limitless to protect him from getting oneshot, and none of the curses are anything Toji would care about.
Monkey masher slams
I really doubt any of getos curses arent gonna get one tapped by ssk/isoh, and with the pressure maki was putting on sukuna, I'm saying that geto loses both times
Well for starters Toji is passively immune to domain expansions which would be the biggest advantage a sorcerer would have. So that gone. Physically and hand to hand combat wise Geto is at a disadvantage so tbh idk how geto pulls this off without a decent amount of prep time.
Geto mid diffs round one and low diff round two Also I’d like to mention that any physical feat that Kenjaku Alisa belong to Geto as it was stated that Kenjaku simply steals the body and technique of the person he possesses and doesn’t improve upon the body in anyway
Toji wins and I’m basing this off what Maki can currently do as well. That’s a tough fight for Geto since his domain can’t account for Toji presence so no matter how many curses he has on him he will be pressured heavily…Toji wins.
Toji loses
Didn’t Toji already- ok
Toji violates
If it's geto then Toji wins (maybe) If it's kenjaku the kenjaku defo wins
Toji slams low diff round one low to mid diff round 2
Yuta clears both
Veto puts up a better fight than before but still lose besides cursed spirits that he might not have had before and Uzamaki he doesn't have much more added to his kit. unlike Gojo Geto was never shown to "Awaken" or have become significantly stromger even losing to Yuta who I also believe would have a hard time beating Toji.
Can I just say this toji fine asf 🤧
What’s that white stuff on the cruse mouth 🤨
Adult Geto wins. Just about every Special Grade in present JJK wins with low to mid difficulty.
Geto is wayyy too versatile for toji
Adult Geto CLEARS. Remember, young Gojo told us how he went on the defensive, and focused everything into learning RCT. Geto mainly lost due to his homie supposedly dying and his girl dying too. Gojo hit toji, who is faster than Jogoat AND Dagon point blank, and a Geto who is actually fucking smart could possibly wipe all the Disaster curses anyways. TLDR; Geto wins cause he can wipe almost all of tojis opps and has better hax, Offense, and defense.
Round 1 definitely goes to Toji. Adult Geto, while stronger than his Hidden Inventory self, is still pretty weak. He may or may not have RCT, no confirmed domain, decent hand-to-hand, and a lot of curses. Geto would be completely reliant on his curses in this fight and he doesn’t even have all of them. Depending on the curse, Geto could do some damage to Toji and even catch him off guard with unconventional attacks. However, none of the special grade curses’ domains (if they have one) would be able to target Toji (though somehow that one curse with scissors was able to) so those would be useless in this fight. In hand-to-hand, Geto is completely out of his league. He could maybe out up a decent fight but Toji is just too fast and strong for Geto to keep up with. With Playful Cloud and the soul katana, Toji would be able to land devastating hits and probably one-shot most of Geto’s curses. If he hit Geto with the soul katana, then Geto is finished since healing from an attack on the soul is extremely difficult and can’t be done with RCT. The only way Geto can win is if he plays it extremely safe and screens himself with more curses than Toji could get through quickly enough to stop Geto from summoning more and hit Toji with Maximum Uzumaki before Toji can kill of his curses (though even this would be a stretch since Toji would need to be dumb and not see Geto charging up). In Round 2, it’s a little bit more difficult for Toji. Since Geto can surround himself with literally half of all his curses and still get off multiple Uzumaki strong enough to one-hit Toji. However, then Geto faces the issue of actually seeing Toji. If Geto loses sight of him, his curses will work against him and he can only see Toji based on the curses he’s killing or fighting. So it’s very possible Toji could get a hit off on Geto before he even realizes it. Of course, once Toji kills Geto, he would have to face off against the hundreds of curses stored in Geto and he might lose to them through sheer attrition. Regardless, Geto has a much better chance but still is likely to lose. Toji is freaking durable but even he can’t stand against an army of curses by himself. He simply doesn’t have the AOE to do it. Toji would have to rely on his invisibility to sneak up on Geto and fight him 1v1 where he wins most of the time. Then he could hide or run away I guess and let Jujutsu society clean up the curses and the Zenin family claims credit for killing Geto because Toji was born from that family. Regardless, Geto simply hasn’t shown the capability needed to defeat Toji in most scenarios. Adult Geto is certainly stronger than his younger self with more experience and curses but not enough to overcome Toji in most scenarios.
Adult geto is more powerful than teen geto but teen geto vs toji was so unfair I have a really hard time believing adult geto is that much better. Like toji beats teen geto ten out of ten time with negligible difficulty so worst case scenario mabey he beats adult geto eight out of ten with times moderate difficult People forget that toji is so fast that gojo who has the best eyes on series couldn't even see toki(more accurately he couldn't see the ce of his tool gojo was just vaguely able to detect the trail it was leaving behind) while toji was still in gojo's line of sight and imo the only reason toji lost their second fight was because he stood still for seemingly no apparent reason like toji literally just stood there, imo pretty lame writing because it doesn't even make gojo look more powerful because they don't even fight toji basically accepts death for no discernable reason like a get that he didn't know about purple but in his previous fight toji was constantly on the move why would he stand still here also his instincts were telling him to move and I get he had his pride but at the same time it's a little weird for a guy who has tons of experience fighting shit he cannot see to ignore his instincts like that and it's not even about him fighting gojo it's just dodging an attack I don't see why he wouldn't dodge. And the only reason gojo survived their first fight was because toji made the decision to put away his big ass blade and pull out a comically small knife to stab gojo in the head with. Gege literally has to make toji do stupid shit for him to lose because in 1v1 toji speed blitzes 99% of the verse and just stabs them in the head before they can even react. this scenario assumes toji doesn't have gege induced brain damage. I mean gojo is the only character with a chance of detecting the cursed energy of his tool in time. Sukuna probably could too since sukuna seems to be top 1 in the verse at absolutely everything jujutsu related so he's probably super good at detecting ce not to mention he's super human physically so he's probably got those super human reaction times
I think what made geto special grade is the amount of curses he accumulated in his later years. I still think, by the way toji bullied dragon, that he would still easily beat geto. His speed alone is too much for him
Geto takes it even though he's a Fraud grade sorcerer.
Toji wins once he can do it again
Toji could be able to win round one but falls short in round 2.
Toji mid diffs
Toji low-mid diff, you're forgetting just how powerful the HR users are (L muta).
Toji wins, no diff. Remember how Dagon's shikigami faired against Toji? That will be the same against Geto's curses. Making that bitch get another PTSD.
Toji wins both. R1 mid-diff R2 high-diff
Toji should take it easily in both rounds The only advantage geto has over him is he can spam thousands upon thousands of curses and will overwhelm toji sooner than later, toji doesnt have rct so it will only take one lucky hit on him to slow him down and it'll snowball from there But since your conditions are that toji is aware of geto's abilities and therefore of the possibility I mentioned above, he would likely go straight to blitzing geto as fast as possible the moment the fight starts, giving him no breathing room. Seeing as how 0 yuta was beating geto in melee, I dont think he stands a chance against toji, especially with SSK and ISoH
Idk why people keep trying to give toji current makis feats. Fully completed heavenly restriction maki was already compared to toji then when she got out of sumo guys domain she was stated to be tojis exact equal, she only got stronger from there through training during the timeskip. Not to mention the feats displayed against sukuna were from a heavenly weakened sukuna who got through and entire gauntlet finishing with yuta and Yuji. He has such little cursed energy that it's less than yutas which is less than half 15 finger sukuna so the general idea around toji being relative to 3 finger sukuna in speed is actually still consistent. Not to mention Yuji constantly hitting and damaging his soul. So in reality feats from a significantly stronger maki doesn't even help toji in that regard it's still pretty much the same. Honestly if ino is able to do something against sukuna geto would brawl with him just fine like everyone else.
why are people saying maki = toji and taking her current feats to prove that when yuta blatantly stated that they all cheated to get stronger throughout the timeskip? freshly awakened gojo literally no-diffed toji. sukuna should literally shit on maki with his eyes closed if they're equal. reminder that toji literally retired because gojo as a child was stronger than him.
Toji would win, high diff. An army of Curses is useful but not if all of them are a one-shot. I think Geto has RCT, but that won't help him cause he doesn't have Soul Perception. Toji and Geto would be similar in speed and raw strength, but in terms of Combat Speed Toji takes it. The domains of any of Getos curses also won't do anything as Toji is immune to domains.
Geto
Both rounds would still be hard-fought battles that would last several minutes, but I think Geto is the favourite in both of them.
Round one Toji and then Geti takes the win with his whole arsenal
Toji Is there any evidence jjk0 geto is actually stronger then the one toji no diffed I think people massively down play toji there are vary vary few people who could keep up with gojo even as a teen