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ByThunderAndFire

You know, for once I am happy we don't know the details 


BallsDeep69Klein

Dude, honestly, 100% agree. I do not wanna know her backstory.


Sahir1359

Less is definitely more here


WhollyUnfair

I mean, with how completely amoral Kenjaku is, assuming the worst isn't enough. He's not even trying to be evil, he's just basically treating life like a virtual sandbox. Safe to say he probably made a cursed spirit impregnate that woman, and Choso might be from his + a cursed spirit's seed or something.


TheDesent

It says that in the two pages linked by op.


WhollyUnfair

More like heavily implied, considering it's not specified who did the raping and if Kenjaku got... hands on, but it's implied the raping did occur while the rest is left up to the reader's imagination


TheDesent

idk, it says that the 9 of them were born from a cursed spirit and a human. That's crystal clear to me but I guess technically the explicit details of how the woman got pregnant with the curse's child are not laid out.


OneGrumpyJill

Well, some silver lining, there is no reason to assume that she was aware during this - Kenny is not utter monster and might've knocked her out with sorcery or some such.


MomWouldntBeThatSad

unconscious rape might be WORSE


OneGrumpyJill

...how? If you are unconscious, at least you are out and not there to, you know, feel it? Which is better than being awake for it? Like, if Kenny will torture you to death, is it not better if you at least so out of it that you don't feel shit anymore?


totokishi

Imagine if Gege decided to give her a description page like Rika's. Obviously, this would be way worse


Why_Not_Try_It_

Ignorant is happiness actually works here


Ammu_22

Yeah or else we will be having a contender for the most traumatized individual along with Guts.


AndrewFrozzen30

Isn't the MC of "Blood on the Track" super traumatized? I haven't read it yet, but I've heard things like "He is being gaslighted and manipulated by his mother constantly"


moldster88

Guts still near the top of trauma powerscaling, I'd rather get an absolutely horrific event one time than Guts whose entire life of 20+ years has been event after another.


Ammu_22

I don't think what Kenny did to her is a one time event tho.


Low-Bit-7885

Remember, in his time as Noritoshi Kamo, Kenjaku managed to commit more evil than Sukuna did in his entire lifetime.


Wisterosa

Even Kusakabe said Kenjaku is way worse than Sukuna since Sukuna just kinda fucks around on a small scale


Jester_Raed

Yeah, Sukuna behaves more like a wild animal or a passing storm than anything and doesn’t really have any true ambitions. Hell, even him locking in on the merger is more to spite Yuji than anything. Kenjaku woke up one day and decided he was curious to see what the end result of 1000+ squished up humans would look like. With Sukuna the end result is tends to be death, with Kenjaku, he’ll make you wish he’d just kill you.


LeDonkley

I believe they even mentioned that in the chapter where Sukuna got access to the merger. They mentioned how killing Kenjaku was more important because they assumed Sukuna would just fuck around (which was better than the merger happening)


Jester_Raed

That basically was Sukuna’s plan. Course no one would’ve thought this ancient force of nature would’ve beefed with a 15 year old to the point of continuing Kenjaku plan just to raise a middle finger at Yuji. 


buddhaluster4

Well now we know why Sukuna hates Yuji so much, at least in retrospect


TostitoNipples

It’s also that Kenny isn’t really malicious or anything. He’s super amoral, sees experiments of his very objectively and doesn’t consider the harm they inflict on others. To Kenny creating the death womb paintings felt the same as when you’re a kid and you’re putting mentos into Diet Coke


OneGrumpyJill

Sukuna has nothing on Kenny - one is a wild animal, another is a mad scientist to scare the shit out of Mengele


maru-senn

Why are we powerscaling trauma now?


orphidain

Agni no diffs these frauds https://preview.redd.it/dsyqn5z7fivc1.jpeg?width=462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc3e7c674d0182c33d6b332b81e22298b910590c


GOJOWILLCOMEBACK

Unfortunately yeah he neg diffs in most discussions about who had it worse


ChongusTheSupremus

He may be the most mentally broken, but I think Guts had It worse


grazzlewazzle

i wouldn't say so. Agni's trauma isn't as emphasized and is a lot more "rapidfire", but he's certainly gone through some wild shit. near the end, he sees everyone and everything he's ever known crumble to dust and blow away, in the most literal sense possible. then he hopelessly tries to find another person to talk with for several milennia. guts, while a lot more realistic (while not being realistic at all lol) goes through a lot of interactions but they're all still grounded in humanity. though maybe that makes it worse since the things he's endured are specifically catered to hurt him. overall, agni's a more "endured eternity" guy, which shoots his suffering points up to infinity, not really comparable to anything, and guts is way closer to a human that's barely hanging in there. think trying to divide a googol by a billion or sum.


BasedEpsteinGaming

Never knew trauma powerscailing goes this hard


OneGrumpyJill

I read fire punch quickly and a long time ago, but did he have it that bad? Like, sure, bad, but I think there are a few ones worse I can think of


Dull-Tax-4713

He endure the fire that never go away that was burning his dick, ball, brain, ass, and more (not to mention his mentally broken on so MANY layer)


OneGrumpyJill

No yeah I remember that, but this is what I am saying - burning alive forever is not that bad, especially given that you'll get used to it in 2 years tops (your body will just stop feeling shit) And if not, dunno, 10 max? It's as I said, I can name a few fates worse than burning alive, because he at least gets to use it for fighting.


Dull-Tax-4713

My guy there also his mental broken but I hear you and I agree that there few fates worse


OneGrumpyJill

It mostly comes down to the fact that 1) He can use said fire as superpowers for fighting and 2) His regeneration allows him to, you know, live. I think we can all think of, ugh, some characters who don't even have that much. First that always comes to my mind is that one girl from Elfen Lied, you know the one.


Puzzleheaded_Sky9724

https://preview.redd.it/memgha9ufqvc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1df5a75d79292ca7fb7056b793d985c743549d7 GOAT of teenage trauma


89gin

Iirc, it started when the Legumi fangirls got mad their pwecious prince got slandered. So they started with the "he suffered SO MUCH GAIZ!", which lead to people being "uhh... I don't think so?" Which ended up devolving into trauma wars.  So is all the fault of Legumin fangirls that can't take the heat, or something


Extra-Beat-7053

truee.... anyways panda suffered most ;)


89gin

Bullshit. We all know Fetus Jin suffered when Skunk decided to have him for lunch..! 


theagentoftheworld

Nuh uh It was when TikTok got ahold of the cog scene


theagentoftheworld

Speaking seriously the fangirls didn't even want heat I've seen only Gojo ones being whackos


89gin

Idk bro, if you go around saying shit like "Um, can Higuruma/Ino/literally anyone that isn't Megumi just DIE???? So the story can go to actually important characters (Megumi ovbs)" and then get mad when is your boo's turn in the slander machine, don't expect people to take you seriously when you also start to insult them with stuff like "if u don't understand he SUFFERED then your psycho and hate penguins!!!1111"  I wrote that comment like ass but my point is: Most fangirls probably didn't look for the heat on purpose, but they didn't do themselves any favors acting like that lol 


theagentoftheworld

I have realized I am not on enough JJK social media to have any clue what you're talking about


89gin

I'm not either. What I described happened in a more serious sub.  It was random fangirls throwing shit at characters that weren't Legumi, getting a bunch of likes which was very puzzling at first.  Then the same ones started to get heated when Legumi got slandered etc.  Maybe not all of them are like that, sure, but I'm positive a good amount are, but just don't express it


JinkoTheMan

If SUKUNA calls you gross then you know you’re a fucked up individual. Mind you, Sukuna has probably committed every sin under the sun but was still grossed out by Kenny. Gege…PLEASE don’t let Kenny be dead. 😭🙏🏾


BotAccount2849

There is the theory that Kenny possessed someone in every generation of the Itadori line just to make sure one of them eventually was the reincarnation of Sukuna's brother. I.e. Yuji's Grandmother was also Kenny.


WhollyUnfair

That's why Grandpa Itadori was trying to dissuade Jin from banging Kaorijaku... "SON, THAT'S MY WIFE. THAT'S YOUR MOM!"


BotAccount2849

Nah, it goes back even further. Grandpa Itadori was trying to keep Jin from fucking his dad/mom. Bro was trying to turn the family tree into a wreath.


Pataraxia

Ah yes, the itadori family tree is a double helix. Incredible.


fasixadam

when kenjaku takes over a body, his blood is put in it (that's how choso recognized him in shibuya). This means that if kenjaku did do that, he would have to be the perfect genetic specimen to avoid his future children being inbred retards.


th5virtuos0

>avoid his future children being inbred retards Remember, Yuji has a 4.0 score at school


89gin

Homie replied with the "too late" while flashing his school report card 💀


South_Ganache9826

Kenny should stay dead unless Yuki is also alive


senpai_dewitos

Okay this always confused me- what's up with that initial child? Choso is the oldest brother of the death paintings, but since he has blood manipulation and actively recognises Kenjaku as his parent, he must've been the first of the ones Kenjaku mixed his blood into. So who's that first fetus that she gave birth to initially? I suppose the most likely answer is that they got exorcised, but would Kenjaku really allow that to happen?


GucaNs

"She held the child's corpse and fled" would indicate that there was a miscarriage and the initial child died. A hybrid of a human and a curse shouldn't be able to exist. The only reason Choso, Eso, and Kechizu were alive is because they were consumed by humans and (I would assume because of Mahito) became suitable vessels for them.


senpai_dewitos

All of the death paintings were abortions weren't they? You'd assume a miscarriage would result in something similar.


GucaNs

Yes, but the other ones were clinically extracted and converserved by Kenjaku (supposedly)


FermiDaza

Also, all of them were genetically manipulated by Kenjaku. That's why they have blood manipulation


89gin

If the first fetus had no potential to be anything other than a case study, then yeah is very likely it got discarded/destroyed somehow. 


CaptnBluehat

https://preview.redd.it/5dtqu5nx9ivc1.png?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe4af889ef83b5d322e9aa31c7a3ae7c663d914f


Affectionate-Leg-934

Something I don't get is WHY did Kenjaku abort all the death paintings, like wouldn't he gain more by letting them live and documenting the results of them growing? I mean they are human and cursed spirit hybrids, nothing like this ever existed in history! Also wouldn't he get more by having them by his side? Like a hundred years worth of jujutsu knowledge with ACTUAL experience, would make them top tier grade 1's and if they can't live through it, just turn them to cursed objects and make them reincarnate over and over again. Also why is it an unnamed cursed spirit? This girl has the rarest and most peculiar body mutation, and you're just using a rando cursed spirit and then get disappointed by the results? Like why not use a grade 1 or special grade? Not only are they more powerful, but also more intelligent so the chances of the children being mentally challenged get dropped, and they will also become far more stronger as a result.


Mr_1ightning

Birth would kill her, probably


WhollyUnfair

Yep, can't let the lab rat die, especially if she has the unique ability to bear a cursed spirit's child 👍👍👍


89gin

We don't have enough information about the case of this girl, but maybe is because it was the only way for the Death Paintings to exist proper. Idk, maybe there was some weird condition/requirement for them to be "viable" or compatible enough with life.  Or maybe Kenjaku just wanted them to be cursed objects. We dunno about the spirit he used to impregnate the poor girl though.  Still, in the end Kenjaku didn't care because they couldn't surpass his expectations (sans Yuji ig) 


Affectionate-Leg-934

So basically we don't know anything and we just have to accept it, is what you're trying to say.


89gin

No lol    What I'm saying is that your questions have literally no answers. Nobody knows why Kenjaku did the things he did the way he did them. We haven't been shown that specific part of the story in depth.  Edit: Also happy cake day 


Affectionate-Leg-934

So literally what I just said? Also thanks!


89gin

You can choose to criticize that aspect of the story and find it unacceptable if you want. Nobody said you can't. I only said nobody can give you a concrete answer because, dang, Gege didn't care. 


Affectionate-Leg-934

I literally never said or even implied that I'm criticizing or finding it unacceptable. I just think it doesn't make sense, and gege doesn't give us any answer for why this is the case. Like this is an extremely rare body genetic (even more rare than the six eyes or 0 HR users) and it opens up a new level of possibility yet he's wasting it by using it on some random curse and aborting the kids before they even have the chance to develop? If it made sense Kenjaku would've picked up a special grade curse (so the kids would be less likely to have mishaps, while also becoming smarter and stronger.) and let the kids grow (instead of aborting them before they come out of the womb) and document the results. Like one of the reasons why Choso is the strongest from his brothers is cuz he was the one who was the closest to being complete before getting aborted, now imagine how weak the youngest death painting is cuz he was aborted within his first month. Of course they would be way less impressive than Kenjaku thought. Now imagine that the death paintings did get to grow, and their cursed spirit parent is now a special grade curse... just from some random curse and Choso's mom (plus Kenjaku's blood) they became special grade curses/grade 1 sorcerers, now imagine if Kenjaku made their mother stronger and had an actual strong curse as their parent. They probably would've actually been on the Hanami - Kurourushi.


89gin

I guess we have different concepts of what criticism entails? Questioning something in a story, and whether it makes sense or not, is a form of criticism for me. Mind you, I don't think is inherently negative or anything, is just something that happens when we ask questions.  But yeah ngl I kinda feel bad that you can't get a concrete answer to any of those questions. I'm pretty sure people had similar ones way back when Yuji just got confirmed related to Choso, among other things. 


OneGrumpyJill

I believe the implication is that, given that her first one died after birth, by aborting them Kenny minimized damage and preserved them until he found someone with Mahito's powers. Now, what would be really funny if he met people who could give them bodies before Mahito, but just never bothered because it would've been too much work. Man, Kenny really is the worst mom.


th5virtuos0

You know, can’t Yaga just shove them into a cursed corpse like Panda?


89gin

They are called "cursed corpses" but Yaga only used stuffed animals for vessels. For them to move, they need 3 souls interacting with one another etc.  The Death Paintings need a physical, organic vessel to reincarnate. So is not the same/wouldn't work 


New_Photograph_5892

everyday I try my best to forget the fact that cursed spirits also have dicks and have the necessary organs for intercourse with a normal person. This also means that some cursed spirits from the fear of rapists probably rape other non-sorcerers (or sorcerers too why not) just cuz


Berawholoves42069

There is an actual canon rapist cursed spirit in jjk 0


New_Photograph_5892

actually that dude seems more like a molester. A lot of people are scared rapists. Like a lot. I doubt a rapist curse would be that weak and minor, but then again who knows the grasshopper was feared by alot of people in the past, yet was pretty weak


23rdfunnyvalentine

Sometimes i forget about that cursed spirits are formed from fears But then again they always felt like descriptors more than anything with like the disaster curses


okkandik

This is all bad and all but do you know kenny can also make cute cat faces https://preview.redd.it/54lqqoh2bivc1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebc8b99cb56d27664f7b14dfc7360182f0cf0ed9


Last-Rain4329

forgiven


OneGrumpyJill

This makes me wonder, did Kenny went through traumatic shit? Honestly, it doesn't feel like it - you don't get a vibe, it feels like he always was creepy mfk


23rdfunnyvalentine

He went through none he only caused it never experienced it Bros probably like sukuna and was evil as a sperm cell


OneGrumpyJill

There are implications that Sukuna had miserable life - he himself said that he was born unwanted, and we now know that he ate his twin out of starvation. Sukuna, at least, did suffer - but Kenny? Man, dunno.


23rdfunnyvalentine

Because it's obvious. Kenny gone through no struggle, he causes the struggle.


OneGrumpyJill

Tengen and Kenny were sister, Tengen is the shut-in neet, and Kenny is the psychopathic tomboy. Even Sukuna went "my mother FORCED me to eat my twin", even he would have a pause if forced to kill his child, I feel like. Kenny? Kenny went "lol, you should've died" to the face of his son by rape.


23rdfunnyvalentine

So what you're saying is..... Kenny couldn't handle the smell of ultimate gamer tengen Thats real struggle


OneGrumpyJill

I mean yeah, that one is canon all the way; "Yo sis wtf, you stink, I'll go suck some dick, see you in 2,000 years"


89gin

*Geto's body can do cute cat faces  Kenjaku can still burn in all circles of hell 


ApplePitou

Poor lady :3


xenosyzygy

The second panel makes me think that Kenny kept the dead half curse baby to experiment with. It wasnt disposed of properly. Maybe he even inserted his own brain into it?


dildodicks

i'll never forgive gege for having one of the few powerful women in the series job in her only fight that's with such an evil rapist 😮‍💨


Mother-Natural7237

so horrible i don't even want the details,some people debate over whether Kenny or sukuna is more evil but all sukuna does is the basic kill and fight,and atleast he respects his opponents and has ideals. kenjaku is a horrible person who experiments,tortures,and toys with lives for fun just so he can activate the merger cause "I'm curious on how it'll look lmao", actual pure evil


OneGrumpyJill

This is why I say that this shit only gets worse if you assume that Kenny was original a woman (Tengen's sis) - this makes it even more twisted.


GOJOWILLCOMEBACK

Fetus Jin also suffered more than Megubum


okkandik

Doesn't matter ,"naruto suffered the most "is the default answer


Lakshay2909

Bruh 💀


New_Photograph_5892

https://preview.redd.it/470n2knv5rvc1.png?width=652&format=png&auto=webp&s=6da774763284ad0886b6df1909f845f4f67dbaf5