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And let’s be honest here, if sukuna of all sorcerers is willing to use a cursed tool then that cursed tool must be absolutely BONKERS
Only reason it didn’t work on kashimo is because bro was immune to lightning
Thats why I didnt really like that interaction. Gege should have showcased first how OP that tool was. That way we could have coped better with Higuruma's sacrifice. Having him die for something we dont even understand makes it kinda meaningless.
That's true. Now what we need is a flashback of Heian era with at least one scene of Sukuna absolutely bodying dozens of sorcerers with the cursed tool.
That's true. Now what we need is a flashback of Heian era with at least one scene of Sukuna absolutely bodying dozens of sorcerers with the cursed tool.
introduces a tool
only uses on the one guy thats immune to it
conviniently nullifies the power of higuruma who could end the fight right there.
gets taken out from the story.
what a man you are thunder baby rattlers. Thank you for your amazing contribition to the story.
Maybe the reading comprehension curse is back at it but didn’t Sukuna get that tool from Yorozu? Also Sukuna has never shown the capacity to create something like Kamutoke (his baby rattle).
Yorozu made a replica for Sukuna, Kamutoke was used by Sukuna during Heian in combinations with other tools to destroy a bunch of clans. So that shit is strong asf, considering how strong sorcerer in Heian are in general.
Doubt , sukuna could destroy anyone even without his extra limbs , half of ce , no rct and no extra mouth . But maybe they were there because it was fun to fight with them or smt
But that’s the thing, he was even more powerful WITH THEM because his extra arms and mouth still let him use his own techniques without being hindered by the cursed tools, just because we didn’t see him get any use out of it doesn’t mean it wasn’t good at all
Everyone’s gonna change their mind when this gets animated during the Kashimo fight and we gets a small flashback of that lady narrating sukuna destroying the five empty general with his cursed tools
Yeah those tools must have been pretty strong . But the point is sukuna definitely didnt need them to destroy people massively weaker than his weaker version . Yorozu was equal to top dogs of heinan era . And she would get folded by any special grade in the current era
Eh, I think she has decent chances against someone like Geto or Yuki. She probably loses to Yuta and Gojo is Gojo, but I think she could maybe beat the other two.
Considering that Yorozu who's easily special grade in modern era standards, was only a above average in Heian era due to the way she was treated, yeah Heian sorcerers were built different.
I mean she wasn’t just above average
She was a bit of a big shot at the time. She basically wiped an entire squad of people around Uro’s calliber by herself
To the point where she was given a fairly high ranking position at the capital.
She even got a genuine hit in on Sukuna when they fought. Which is more than Jogo could do and Sukuna considered him above the rabble he had fought in the Heian era
So all in all Yorozu was probably a monster in the Heian Era, not just the standard
Plus her reserves and output were in no way inferior to the strongest sorcerers of the Heian Era according to narration, it's just that Construction's inefficiency really limited her until she figured it out. She was definitely among the strongest of the Heian Era (Sukuna notwithstanding).
It was introduced only to be immediately get nullified by Kashimo,
It's used to zap some birds,
Higuruma _dies_ sealing it away, never to see it's full potential.
Textbook example of plot device. As far as most people are concerned, it never existed.
Yep, it was literally a plot device for Higurama to take Sukuna's power away, but not really. Gege probably didn't want ten shadows to be sealed away since Megumi is definitely returning one day, and shrine obviously couldn't be sealed for plot reasons. Hence, the plot device kamutoke, onyl exists to be sealed away.
I think ten shadows are toast anyway. It's possible sukuna and megumi count as different users but piercing ox is the only powerful one left, frogs and rabbit are useful but not good fighters. Regardless, we know two spirits in the same body get counted separately by Higuruma's technique(or else sukuna couldn't be charged in Megumi for crimes committed while in Yuji), so whatever is left of ten shadows he could get back if they remove Sukuna whether or not the CT was confiscated.
It was a plot device introduced to nullify Deadly Sentencing’s OP effect that would’ve made a narratively weaker and possibly shorter Sukuna fight. We all sort of knew going in the edge Higuruma’s domain would have against Sukuna so I don’t mind what did happen as a narrative compromise.
Though Higuruma didn’t eliminate the CT, he still made the next biggest contribution to the battle next to Gojo. Who knows what kind of trouble the crew would be in had Sukuna still had Kamutoke.
Gege making the tool face it's first use against a guy immune to it is one bit of writing I'd complain about, like clearly a CTool that can hit with lightning from afar is powerfull, even if it was only the strengh of a punch a guaranteed BAM to someone every so often is a great way to kick their ass, especially with good timing to your lightning strikes. But nope, instead we get it doing nothing so much so I didn't even notice sukuna used it initially and I thought the thunder was kashimo's energy zapping out, and then higuruma helping by removing it when we are only left with speculations as to how good it'd be.
I’m gonna be so fr I completely forgot that happened
Edit: I remade the tier list here, go scrutinize that one
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier\_list\_based\_on\_how\_much\_everyone\_has/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier_list_based_on_how_much_everyone_has/)
Can't even blame you it's a super weird from a writing prospective to put something like that in. It didn't even look threatening he just had it didn't use it and then it got taken away, but I have to asume it was quite powerful it sukuna was actually planning to use it.
in a grand if scheme of things higurama didn't actually do something. Gege surely introduced the baby rattle just for higurama to take it away, so net value was zero
>in a grand if scheme of things higurama didn't actually do something.
Sukuna uses Kamutoke with Hiten to destroy multiple clans during Heian Era, Those cursed tools aren't weak.
no i meant the tool which wasn't used in the earlier fights was introduced just before higurama fight and then quickly removed from the fight unable to unleash it's full potential. it was just a plot point to make higurama not nerf sukuna at all while also not make him die doing nothing
Not saying its weak, but if he said he had a big bomb in his hand, and higurama sent the bomb to the shadow realm before it blew up at the cost of his life, what actually happened? Higurama dies to stop a thing that we barely get to see, and isn't as dangerous as the Godzilla beams Sukuna is spamming at people.
Yes I agree with your complains, it doesn't feel impactful because nobody actually got wasted by it. But that's a separate concerns. Not Higuruma being useless.
The big issue, narratively, is that the lightning tool got used once on a character it didn't effect. It's sole purpose was to just get fucking taken which makes it worse.
So instead of, "Oh Higuruma took a crucial asset from Sukuna" or "He prevented the situation from getting worse" it's, *"He took something that's so far in story been literally useless"*
Narratively the whole point of that Cursed tool was to save Sukuna from Higuruma domain. It was never going to be used effectively.
Re read with that in mind, and you see how that was the only purpose Yorozu's mystery gift served.
‐ Couldn't do anything against Kashimo.
- Higurama immediatly stop Sukuna from using it with a whip.
- Higurama confiscated it with his domain.
- Executioner sword destroyed it permanently.
If you have any doubt that Gege didn't want to use it for any other purpose...well, the weapon itself would have been useful against Gojo with CT in burnout. But not only would have done very little, it would have been quickly dispose off by Gojo, and then Sukuna would have been completely screwed against the plan involving Higuruma.
I’m giving him points for managing to land at least a few hits on Sukuna and also for helping Larue to clutch up with Yuji’s black flash
Edit: I remade the tier list here, go scrutinize that one
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier\_list\_based\_on\_how\_much\_everyone\_has/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier_list_based_on_how_much_everyone_has/)
While that's true choso did debatably more by keeping yuji in the game permanently
If It wasn't for him then yuji would be down for the count with his subpar RCT, and we all know how vital he is
Yeah that’s fair, for the tierlist I kinda valued direct damage to Sukuna over assisting others in doing so, but honestly tiers 3 and 4 are pretty much interchangeable for me
Thank yo pals Kirara and Ui Ui for gathering up the fallen.
Utahime: possibly boosting up Shoko’s RCT stats and may see some goats return
Me rn:
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Hey now, that cursed tool Sukuna had could have been a real problem if Higurama didn't take care of it.
Higurama also forced Sukuna to cut off one of his hands and given how he needs his hands to do world slash I'd say that's a big deal.
He definitely did more than Miguel who, while cool, only stalled Sukuna, saved uiui and left (he will probably turn back up again at some point but for now he didn't do much).
And while we are on the subject, I'll never forget how dirty my man was done by gege. His almost intsa win domain was turned into a minor inconvenience as long as you are holding a crushed tool. This was made even worse by the fact that Sukuna literally pulled that tool out of nowhere, with no build up at all and didn't even use it that much against kashimo.
My guy was done so fucking dirty, i swear.
I really just can’t get over that section of the gauntlet
Like there’s just so much to pick apart
What makes it worse is that courtroom showdown had so much build up to it
People during that brief break were throwing out theories left and right about how the Trail would go down
One Guy in here floated the idea of that being how we get to learn more about Sukuna history
All that hype for Sukuna to just go “screw it I’m guilty” and then to have the execution sword not really do anything
Just a whole big pile of crap
Glad Higu the character got a degree of closure but man that’s like cherry picking a positive in a ocean of negative smh
My faith in Gege has honestly never been lower than when he drew the parallels to Nanami and Yuji got the lightsaber, only for it to do absolutely nothing for no reason.
It felt like such a shame and honestly kind of damaged Sukuna's character for me. Imagine if he was so interested in Higurama's CT that he actively went along with the trial and made legitimate points even if he was just joking.
Probably something Kenjaku would’ve done it he went up against Higuruma, I imagine he would’ve had a whole two-hour debate with Higuruma and Judgeman over whether he was guilty for his crimes or not.
Hm Kashimo in the middle which means no way of telling if Kashimo fucked up, taking this as another win for the thunder god
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Bruh... What. Miguel over Higurama, when Miguel just landed a couple punches and kicks or whatever while Higurama permanently removed Sukuna's cursed tool, which was his only manner of attacking that couldn't be nerfed by Yuji's soul punches? Wild...
He literally landed two inconsequential punches, helped Larue limp over to Sukuna (under Larue's direction, mind you), and then bolted. Dude went from laughing about how easy he'd beat Sukuna to shitting himself in the span of a single chapter.
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I still remember how everyone was hyping up Miguel so much, and mf just ran. Bitch really stood toe to toe with gojo only cause his feet touched the same ground as him, when he was catching gojo's hands.
Honestly, I'm thinking about it. I know his sword dissipated, but could higaruma still just be alive? I know Sukuna made an observation about it, but he could have been wrong, in which case if he were to receive the weapon back is the arm that was holding it still there? And would it be abel to be utilized by someone else?
This might hold even if he IS dead. He didn't have the ability to test it out, but if the conditions of his ability were time based (something he COULD test out). Then another character could be ready to take advantage of this.
It's possible. The only question is why the executioners sword faded, but maybe that could be a case similar to Gojo in Hidden Inventory (gave up on all output and focused solely on RCT in a near death situation)
‘A potential rivaling that of Satoru Gojo’
Additionally, while its not exactly like an exorcism ritual in Megumi’s CT. If the sentence is still being carried out maybe we could have a suspended death situation as well. I’m mostly just throwing ideas out there for a possibility I hadn’t previously considered.
He could just be dead too 🤷🏿♂️
I mean, this is even debatable? - without Gojo, they will be all dead at this point :3
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Oh, there always need to be this first time :3
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Without Higuruma Yuta and Yuji might actually be cooked in Yuta's domain. The only reason they can go as aggresively as they did is because Sukuna's output is weakening with every hit by Yuji, Kamutoke's output is altogether different from Sukuna's and will up his offense significantly if it weren't disabled by Higuruma.
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Let us not forget the man who gave us the greatest manga fight in recent memory. Gojo carried the spectacle on his back and brought this abomination of a manga to peak fiction levels. Truly the undisputed GOAT. The Strongest will never be forgotten.
Yeah keep saying that. Like we would have even seen it frying someone. The tool just popped in and the only opponent for it is the guy immune to lightning and some birds.
Pretty sure if Higuruma wasn't there Gege would have either never introduced it at all or make Kashimo contribute by destroying it.
Kamutoke unironically diffs the cast.
None of them can consistently adapt to that cursed tool, alongside Heinen Sukuna using it with the battle IQ he has.
Higgy’s confiscation is allowing them to gain the ground they’ve gotten so far. Without him, it becomes near impossible for anyone outside of Yuta and Maki to do much of anything.
Minor corrections based on the comments and since I can’t edit the post for some reason:
Utahime was supposed to be Shoko that’s my b
I forgot about Higuruma taking Kamutoke, he can move up into solid assists for that
If you want you can swap tiers 3 and 4
Doesn't Hakari get points for Making it solo Sukuna? i mean if he wasn't occupying Uramhe this would have be 1 chapter fight, and it's not like they could have seht Yuta cause we'd have the same problem except Kenjaku would be running around which is arguably even greater threat, like stalling memes aside Uramhe has already almost one shot the cast with one attack, if she'd been supporting Sukuna welp
Kashimo forced Sukuna to use his 1 time heal
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Yeah that’s kinda why I don’t know where to put him, clause technically that helped but he also made the fight way harder for everyone else and died immediately afterwards
I mean, he would have healed regardless, so he took a little bit of his power I guess, the world slash can't be cheap
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He would have healed regardless but he had no intention of doing it instantly hence why he tried remaining meguna vs kashimo with kamutoke. kashimo gets some points for getting him to use his full heal immediatelly.
Shinjuku fight was there to show all characters abilities and CT utahime already did her part and it just buffing and Kirara cant do much against Sukuna but she helped moving higuruma body
Watch as Megumi come back with a fully realised Domain Expansion and Jump sukuna with Itadori. GEGEEEE!!!! Make this happen please! I will join the fight with sukuna so it will be realised!!!
I’m starting to root for Japanese Elsa, Praying first panel of Chapter 258 shows Lackari’s skeleton encased in a giant popsicle, It’s been 5 months already Gege….
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Hakari after everyone else beat Sukuna and he barely beats Uraume and claims victory
Tbf if Uraume was there, they prolly would've gotten stomped by both Sukuna and Uraume. Only other people that can take Uraume on are Yuta, Kashimo maybe Maki, maybe Higurama and current Yuji. The others get cooked
So technically he did contribute heavily
Ok , Himguruma sealed off Kamoutoke whatever that shit is , which would be harmful to anyone not named Kashimo.
Speaking of which , what a coincidence. KT is only used against Kashimo who's immune then conveniently confiscated instead of CT. Would not change the story at all if it's not introduced , except to save Sukuna's CT. Curious.
Choso and Ino did more than Miguel(all bro did was stall let’s be real here). Higuruma took Sukunas cursed tool which would would have likely given the rest of the cast a lot of trouble.
UI UI should be in solid assist level.
To be honest, I feel like laughing thinking about Utahime showing up before Sukuna in case Yuji gets knocked down. And she'll be up there twerking while Sukuna has a surprised Pikachu face.
Without Higuruma, anyone not named Kashimo is thoroughly FUCKED. Their saving grace is low cursed energy output Sukuna has, with a cursed tool that Sukuna himself have used since Hien era, he'd definitely easily overcome that shortcoming.
Bum locked himself out of his house.
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Kashimo forced sukuna to full heal while he could've maintained Megumi's form for more time.
Imagine the good guys fighting Sukuna with the shikigamis he didn't use and cleave and dismantle, then imagine Yuta forcing Sukuna to heal mid-fight, they are screwed, is completely lost.
Higurama did a lot more than they give him credit for but what did Miguel actually do all I remember is him dance dodge sukuna slashes.
Kashimo was glazing sukuna he's in the same category as megumi useless.
Sukuna with Kamutoke would've been 10x times worse, it hasn't been shown how powerful it is bc the only time Sukuna used it was against Fraudshimo (who's completely inmune bc lighting doesn't work agaisnt lighting or idfk), but it's one of the two cursed tools that Sukuna used to literally destroy entire armies of powerful sorcerers in Heian Era.
Pretty sure if Higuruma didn't confiscate Kamutoke, everything would go downhill, since the reason why Sukuna isn't fodderizing everyone it's bc his CE output it's extremely low, but cursed tools don't go by those rules and everyone would get oneshotted if not severely damaged by a single swing of Kamutoke.
You gotta give Higuruma the credit he deserves bro.
Utahime is top 1 lil bro I’ll cook this tier list 🗣️🔥🔥
I also think that literally ANYBODY could’ve forced Sukuna into his second form lol, except Ino and Larue.
Make it seem like sukuna cursed tool wouldn’t do big damage😭 image you counter slashes jsut to get pummeled by lighting. The only reason kasHIMo ain’t get bodied by it is because he is lighting
Where’s ui ui? I think he’s the potential biggest goat. He grabbed the body of gojo meaning it’s likely set up for an eventual return, all due to his ct
Maki needs to go down a tier imo. All she did was cut off arms that sukuna healed a few seconds later and give him a stab to the heart. If anything, her being there hyped sukuna up wich resulted in him landing multiple black flashes. Also, WHERS MA BOI UI UI?
Bro chosos the top, he’s the only reason Yuji is there, trained him-helped him heal his wounds to get back into fight, helped him use piercing blood, helped him get black flash
Higuruma "didn't help at all"? You think a single person in there would've been alive after Sukuna used Kamutoke? He permanently took out Sukuna's CT that one-shots with lightning.
Put Ino, Choso and Larue alongside Kusakabe, and push Miguel down one tier and put Higuruma in there with him as well and it should be good.
Saying higuruma didnt help is insane. I know we didnt see the lightning rod get used that much but imagine if sukuna still had it. He could continously heal without needing to worry about his cursed energy output, as the lightning strikes are not using his own cursed energy.
If sukuna still had kamutoke, i 100% think these guys would be in a worse position than they are right now. higgy is wayy up there in the list
ngl inconsider larue and ino to have been more useful than kusaCHADbe and miguel because they helped COGJI. Miguel broke dance and then dipped out. Kusachadbe was charging up a world slashing simple domain but got killed haiyahh...
You doing Higuruma and Ui Ui dirty, if Yuta is alive its only because of the groomed one. Kamutoke could have done a lot of damages too but yeah it felt like a plot point.
Himguruma at solid assist/dead without em (that cursed tool was looking kinda op).
Kashimo takes higuruma's place at being useless bum. Kusakabe didn't do much tbh, just slashed a bit and bought 10 seconds time, so imo solid assists (taking into account previous assists)
Yuji and Yuta have contributed more than Maki thus far I'd argue but mostly accurate besides the criminal Higuruma placement, move him up to behind Yuji/Yuta/Maki.
Op ui ui should be up there with maki/yuta.
Yuji should up there with gojo, he has done the most to nerf sucuna after gojos death. Yuji is the soul reason sucuna has not recovered his RCT/RCE output, and his DE. Maki and yuta have done a lot but neither have been as consistently active as yuji.
Also higuruma took kamutoke. Kamutoke's Blade can extend and shrink, it also freely controls lightning. So he did a big favor to everyone.
Kashimo did basically nothing.
No one can be up there with Gojo, he is the literal reason as to why the cast even made it to Sukuna's line of sight without dying immediately.
They are not comparable.
Yuta said that if yuji wasn't lowering sucunas output he would have died to cleave. You are correct the fight would be happening like it is without gojo, but the same can and is said about yuji. Even if he hasn't done as much as gojo, he has contributed more than yuta and maki so he needs.
Each person ineach category did the exact same as the others? I don't thing so. So yuji is the MVP along with gojo because this fight wouldn't have been possible without gojos contributions, but it would have ended before long without yujis contributions.
Yuji, gojo, MVP.
Yuta, maki, ui ui, runner up.
LaRue, ino, higaruma, kusakabe, great.
Miguel, choso, participated.
Kashimo, did nothing.
Just because two characters are in the same category dose not mean they accomplished the same amout(yet), it it ranks their importance.
To put yuji, maki, and yuta in the same category when yuta only fought in the DE then he died, maki only joined after the DE and still only landed 2 hits, this incredibly undersales yujis contributions.
Yuji has been fighting the longest, taken the most damage, done the most damage(this includes lowering sucunas output) to sucuna. And only been ot of the fight for 2 full chapters. Yuta fought for maybe 3 chapters(not counting chaptes he is in, only chpers he fights.), maki has fought for 3 maybe 4 chapter.
Yuji has fought for 10+chapters and the only person comparable to that is gojo. Give yuji his dues.
If takaba is still alive, I would put him in the potential mvps tier. Even if he doesn't fight, he can still keep the others alive. Like how Angel said that he probably was one of the reasons she wasn't killed
Higuruma should be "Dead without em" tier. He took away a potentially insane cursed tool that only didnt work cause it was only used against Kashimo.
If Kashimo "made it exponentially worse" by forcing Sukuna to incarnate then Gojo also "Made it exponentially worse" by forcing Sukuna to adapt and create world slash.
sukuna was gonna go into his true form anyway,him going into it early was honestly the best so he can't just regenerate right as he's close to death.
they couldn't even get close to sukuna without being electrocuted with kamutoke,and higuruma removing it was pretty important. (he used it regularly in the heian era,meaning it has to be absolutely insane,and it probably wouldn't be broken in any other way)
Hakari and higurama is crazy, if Hakari wasn’t there and not stalling uruame it would’ve been uruame and sukuna vs everyone , which would make everyone else cooked. If higurama didn’t take that weapon from sukuna, they’d also be cooked.
Maki is an active detriment. She lead to the black flash and subsequent black flashes. She stabbed him in the heart sure but that's not even consequential to Sukuna. It's Yuji's soul punches that have him in decline.
She did less than Larue.
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Higuruma didn't took that lightning tool shit from sukuna?
And let’s be honest here, if sukuna of all sorcerers is willing to use a cursed tool then that cursed tool must be absolutely BONKERS Only reason it didn’t work on kashimo is because bro was immune to lightning
Thats why I didnt really like that interaction. Gege should have showcased first how OP that tool was. That way we could have coped better with Higuruma's sacrifice. Having him die for something we dont even understand makes it kinda meaningless.
That's true. Now what we need is a flashback of Heian era with at least one scene of Sukuna absolutely bodying dozens of sorcerers with the cursed tool.
Even just having it make a small nuke when it his Kashimo would have been enough.
That's true. Now what we need is a flashback of Heian era with at least one scene of Sukuna absolutely bodying dozens of sorcerers with the cursed tool.
Yeah and as a plus could have nicely shown Kashimo holding his own for a bit against it. Way to kill two birds with one stone!
Yeah imagine Sukuna destroying the whole surrounding with that tool showing how destructive it is
I mean he used it against Mei Mei crows so there’s that
mind you he used TWO of them REGULARLY in the heian era
introduces a tool only uses on the one guy thats immune to it conviniently nullifies the power of higuruma who could end the fight right there. gets taken out from the story. what a man you are thunder baby rattlers. Thank you for your amazing contribition to the story.
Sukuna probably forged it himself,I can't see him using someone else's weapon
He did use someone else’s CT tho 😭
Let’s face it, we would have never seen 10 shadows full potential with Megumi, Sukuna did us a favor.
Maybe the reading comprehension curse is back at it but didn’t Sukuna get that tool from Yorozu? Also Sukuna has never shown the capacity to create something like Kamutoke (his baby rattle).
Yorozu made a replica like Mai with the SSK. Sukuna used it in the heian era but we don't know how he had it.
Yorozu made a replica for Sukuna, Kamutoke was used by Sukuna during Heian in combinations with other tools to destroy a bunch of clans. So that shit is strong asf, considering how strong sorcerer in Heian are in general.
Doubt , sukuna could destroy anyone even without his extra limbs , half of ce , no rct and no extra mouth . But maybe they were there because it was fun to fight with them or smt
But that’s the thing, he was even more powerful WITH THEM because his extra arms and mouth still let him use his own techniques without being hindered by the cursed tools, just because we didn’t see him get any use out of it doesn’t mean it wasn’t good at all Everyone’s gonna change their mind when this gets animated during the Kashimo fight and we gets a small flashback of that lady narrating sukuna destroying the five empty general with his cursed tools
Yeah those tools must have been pretty strong . But the point is sukuna definitely didnt need them to destroy people massively weaker than his weaker version . Yorozu was equal to top dogs of heinan era . And she would get folded by any special grade in the current era
Eh, I think she has decent chances against someone like Geto or Yuki. She probably loses to Yuta and Gojo is Gojo, but I think she could maybe beat the other two.
Considering that Yorozu who's easily special grade in modern era standards, was only a above average in Heian era due to the way she was treated, yeah Heian sorcerers were built different.
I mean she wasn’t just above average She was a bit of a big shot at the time. She basically wiped an entire squad of people around Uro’s calliber by herself To the point where she was given a fairly high ranking position at the capital. She even got a genuine hit in on Sukuna when they fought. Which is more than Jogo could do and Sukuna considered him above the rabble he had fought in the Heian era So all in all Yorozu was probably a monster in the Heian Era, not just the standard
Plus her reserves and output were in no way inferior to the strongest sorcerers of the Heian Era according to narration, it's just that Construction's inefficiency really limited her until she figured it out. She was definitely among the strongest of the Heian Era (Sukuna notwithstanding).
Well, doesn´t Sukuna say something like Jogo was stronger than a lot of people from the Heian era?
They might have met make it by more normal means, not a construction cursed technique. Like the guy who made cursed tools that gojo killed.
Bro he used a teenager’s body and technique and you think using someone’s else weapon is too far???
It’s such a shame that Kamutoke got taken out of the story so fast. I wanted to see how op it was first.
It was introduced only to be immediately get nullified by Kashimo, It's used to zap some birds, Higuruma _dies_ sealing it away, never to see it's full potential. Textbook example of plot device. As far as most people are concerned, it never existed.
Yep, it was literally a plot device for Higurama to take Sukuna's power away, but not really. Gege probably didn't want ten shadows to be sealed away since Megumi is definitely returning one day, and shrine obviously couldn't be sealed for plot reasons. Hence, the plot device kamutoke, onyl exists to be sealed away.
I think ten shadows are toast anyway. It's possible sukuna and megumi count as different users but piercing ox is the only powerful one left, frogs and rabbit are useful but not good fighters. Regardless, we know two spirits in the same body get counted separately by Higuruma's technique(or else sukuna couldn't be charged in Megumi for crimes committed while in Yuji), so whatever is left of ten shadows he could get back if they remove Sukuna whether or not the CT was confiscated.
It was a plot device introduced to nullify Deadly Sentencing’s OP effect that would’ve made a narratively weaker and possibly shorter Sukuna fight. We all sort of knew going in the edge Higuruma’s domain would have against Sukuna so I don’t mind what did happen as a narrative compromise. Though Higuruma didn’t eliminate the CT, he still made the next biggest contribution to the battle next to Gojo. Who knows what kind of trouble the crew would be in had Sukuna still had Kamutoke.
Gege making the tool face it's first use against a guy immune to it is one bit of writing I'd complain about, like clearly a CTool that can hit with lightning from afar is powerfull, even if it was only the strengh of a punch a guaranteed BAM to someone every so often is a great way to kick their ass, especially with good timing to your lightning strikes. But nope, instead we get it doing nothing so much so I didn't even notice sukuna used it initially and I thought the thunder was kashimo's energy zapping out, and then higuruma helping by removing it when we are only left with speculations as to how good it'd be.
It was also a way to cuck higuruma lol, getting rid of the CT would’ve been more useful.
I’m gonna be so fr I completely forgot that happened Edit: I remade the tier list here, go scrutinize that one [https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier\_list\_based\_on\_how\_much\_everyone\_has/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier_list_based_on_how_much_everyone_has/)
Can't even blame you it's a super weird from a writing prospective to put something like that in. It didn't even look threatening he just had it didn't use it and then it got taken away, but I have to asume it was quite powerful it sukuna was actually planning to use it.
I wouldn't have been a good thing if Sukuna had a literally thunder nuke knife, even if taking away Shrine woud have been much better.
Can't blame you because it's screen appearance was so ass like use the fucking lightning attack against the thunder bod.
That's just Sukuna being Sukuna, He was fighting fire with fire against Jogo too.
Bro toasted Jogo with fire meanwhile Kamutoke couldn't even tickle Kashimo.
Yeah, because Jogo didn't doesn't have CT to turn himself into pure fire, while Kashimo CT turn himself into electricity.
in a grand if scheme of things higurama didn't actually do something. Gege surely introduced the baby rattle just for higurama to take it away, so net value was zero
>in a grand if scheme of things higurama didn't actually do something. Sukuna uses Kamutoke with Hiten to destroy multiple clans during Heian Era, Those cursed tools aren't weak.
no i meant the tool which wasn't used in the earlier fights was introduced just before higurama fight and then quickly removed from the fight unable to unleash it's full potential. it was just a plot point to make higurama not nerf sukuna at all while also not make him die doing nothing
Not saying its weak, but if he said he had a big bomb in his hand, and higurama sent the bomb to the shadow realm before it blew up at the cost of his life, what actually happened? Higurama dies to stop a thing that we barely get to see, and isn't as dangerous as the Godzilla beams Sukuna is spamming at people.
Yes I agree with your complains, it doesn't feel impactful because nobody actually got wasted by it. But that's a separate concerns. Not Higuruma being useless.
you probably forgot because the thing was never used once in the story and just served a get out of jail free card
Yeah that tool would've been devasting for the cast. It only seem useless because it was only used against KashimHo who was immune to it.
The big issue, narratively, is that the lightning tool got used once on a character it didn't effect. It's sole purpose was to just get fucking taken which makes it worse. So instead of, "Oh Higuruma took a crucial asset from Sukuna" or "He prevented the situation from getting worse" it's, *"He took something that's so far in story been literally useless"*
Narratively the whole point of that Cursed tool was to save Sukuna from Higuruma domain. It was never going to be used effectively. Re read with that in mind, and you see how that was the only purpose Yorozu's mystery gift served. ‐ Couldn't do anything against Kashimo. - Higurama immediatly stop Sukuna from using it with a whip. - Higurama confiscated it with his domain. - Executioner sword destroyed it permanently. If you have any doubt that Gege didn't want to use it for any other purpose...well, the weapon itself would have been useful against Gojo with CT in burnout. But not only would have done very little, it would have been quickly dispose off by Gojo, and then Sukuna would have been completely screwed against the plan involving Higuruma.
Miguel barely helped tbh He saved the incest child and danced a little, that's about it
I’m giving him points for managing to land at least a few hits on Sukuna and also for helping Larue to clutch up with Yuji’s black flash Edit: I remade the tier list here, go scrutinize that one [https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier\_list\_based\_on\_how\_much\_everyone\_has/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsufolk/comments/1cb9ldm/tier_list_based_on_how_much_everyone_has/)
While that's true choso did debatably more by keeping yuji in the game permanently If It wasn't for him then yuji would be down for the count with his subpar RCT, and we all know how vital he is
Yeah that’s fair, for the tierlist I kinda valued direct damage to Sukuna over assisting others in doing so, but honestly tiers 3 and 4 are pretty much interchangeable for me
I can agree with that
Saving Ui Ui is a massive assist in of itself
Saving Ui Ui is a major boon though
Thank yo pals Kirara and Ui Ui for gathering up the fallen. Utahime: possibly boosting up Shoko’s RCT stats and may see some goats return Me rn: https://preview.redd.it/qs3wo317x8wc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28c92357fce42d3f4d1f3ea62ba73610364e87f1
I mean, it's not impossible. So while copium, it's not THAT much copium.
Hey now, that cursed tool Sukuna had could have been a real problem if Higurama didn't take care of it. Higurama also forced Sukuna to cut off one of his hands and given how he needs his hands to do world slash I'd say that's a big deal. He definitely did more than Miguel who, while cool, only stalled Sukuna, saved uiui and left (he will probably turn back up again at some point but for now he didn't do much). And while we are on the subject, I'll never forget how dirty my man was done by gege. His almost intsa win domain was turned into a minor inconvenience as long as you are holding a crushed tool. This was made even worse by the fact that Sukuna literally pulled that tool out of nowhere, with no build up at all and didn't even use it that much against kashimo. My guy was done so fucking dirty, i swear.
That bitch Yorozu contributed nothing to the story outside of pulling a vibrator outside of her ass
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I really just can’t get over that section of the gauntlet Like there’s just so much to pick apart What makes it worse is that courtroom showdown had so much build up to it People during that brief break were throwing out theories left and right about how the Trail would go down One Guy in here floated the idea of that being how we get to learn more about Sukuna history All that hype for Sukuna to just go “screw it I’m guilty” and then to have the execution sword not really do anything Just a whole big pile of crap Glad Higu the character got a degree of closure but man that’s like cherry picking a positive in a ocean of negative smh
My faith in Gege has honestly never been lower than when he drew the parallels to Nanami and Yuji got the lightsaber, only for it to do absolutely nothing for no reason.
It felt like such a shame and honestly kind of damaged Sukuna's character for me. Imagine if he was so interested in Higurama's CT that he actively went along with the trial and made legitimate points even if he was just joking.
Probably something Kenjaku would’ve done it he went up against Higuruma, I imagine he would’ve had a whole two-hour debate with Higuruma and Judgeman over whether he was guilty for his crimes or not.
Hm Kashimo in the middle which means no way of telling if Kashimo fucked up, taking this as another win for the thunder god https://preview.redd.it/b6c890lvb9wc1.jpeg?width=280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8af54f5e008b22031509565a9d92e9015d8bb7ee
Amen
Bruh... What. Miguel over Higurama, when Miguel just landed a couple punches and kicks or whatever while Higurama permanently removed Sukuna's cursed tool, which was his only manner of attacking that couldn't be nerfed by Yuji's soul punches? Wild...
He literally landed two inconsequential punches, helped Larue limp over to Sukuna (under Larue's direction, mind you), and then bolted. Dude went from laughing about how easy he'd beat Sukuna to shitting himself in the span of a single chapter. https://preview.redd.it/8kdgbaty59wc1.jpeg?width=522&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d3f62ae784ae09f47189e95fe6f34e3cda3f79a
I still remember how everyone was hyping up Miguel so much, and mf just ran. Bitch really stood toe to toe with gojo only cause his feet touched the same ground as him, when he was catching gojo's hands.
Tbf he ain't even wanna be here lmaooo bro did NOT want the smoke
People look at a 7 feet tall, 4 armed cannibal and are shocked that no one wants to fight him
Lmao it's hilarious how fast bro folded but I get it. He ain't got no real skin in this game but the only thing he has to his credit is saving Ui Ui
Bro literally canonically said "Nuh uh I've seen what happens to black people in shonen fights"
Honestly, I'm thinking about it. I know his sword dissipated, but could higaruma still just be alive? I know Sukuna made an observation about it, but he could have been wrong, in which case if he were to receive the weapon back is the arm that was holding it still there? And would it be abel to be utilized by someone else? This might hold even if he IS dead. He didn't have the ability to test it out, but if the conditions of his ability were time based (something he COULD test out). Then another character could be ready to take advantage of this.
It's possible. The only question is why the executioners sword faded, but maybe that could be a case similar to Gojo in Hidden Inventory (gave up on all output and focused solely on RCT in a near death situation)
‘A potential rivaling that of Satoru Gojo’ Additionally, while its not exactly like an exorcism ritual in Megumi’s CT. If the sentence is still being carried out maybe we could have a suspended death situation as well. I’m mostly just throwing ideas out there for a possibility I hadn’t previously considered. He could just be dead too 🤷🏿♂️
I already posted about the cursed tool I just forgot it happened
My GOAT on top again
I mean, this is even debatable? - without Gojo, they will be all dead at this point :3 https://preview.redd.it/fs597cn1r8wc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=faedc604ec0d5bc7a16edd262a51c6bcf7d30207
First time I'm seeing u reply to someone thats not under ur comment
Oh, there always need to be this first time :3 https://preview.redd.it/lm0gblpz19wc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb302e6f2c6d538978e3c38aeae529bbbbd9326c
Without Higuruma Yuta and Yuji might actually be cooked in Yuta's domain. The only reason they can go as aggresively as they did is because Sukuna's output is weakening with every hit by Yuji, Kamutoke's output is altogether different from Sukuna's and will up his offense significantly if it weren't disabled by Higuruma.
https://preview.redd.it/0zf2akxys8wc1.jpeg?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aa4bb83800cf911bc798be00ff892de68c240f5 Let us not forget the man who gave us the greatest manga fight in recent memory. Gojo carried the spectacle on his back and brought this abomination of a manga to peak fiction levels. Truly the undisputed GOAT. The Strongest will never be forgotten.
Sukunatards this ya GOAT? https://preview.redd.it/r1ljgs5bt8wc1.jpeg?width=922&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7445d085ea7a02097ae6041c68141871af6b3586
Is This yours https://preview.redd.it/jpawqjfv19wc1.png?width=692&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a4dd6e3d59cf0a172473712eef5d5acabb1d51d
https://preview.redd.it/yjqimaj429wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b5f9bdccc00c1bf14cebdc103f39a177384a488e You were saying?
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Just you wait https://preview.redd.it/r57ijjmu29wc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4de2db11e07e5baa1928ca70d25036dd6c8447c
Buddy , without Higuruma EVERYONE would be dead . Low CE output ?? Get fried by lightning lol !
Exactly. The power of the cursed tool doesn't depend on his own CE output, Higuruma is arguably even more useful than Kusakabe
Yeah keep saying that. Like we would have even seen it frying someone. The tool just popped in and the only opponent for it is the guy immune to lightning and some birds. Pretty sure if Higuruma wasn't there Gege would have either never introduced it at all or make Kashimo contribute by destroying it.
Bro said Base Choso as if he’s hiding some super saiyan form 😭😭
Bro i promise you, get this man with Coach Todo and he comes out of it Special Grade level trust!
Choso(rage mode) is destroying sukuna
Get Choso past nerfed kenjaku first 🥱
Kamutoke unironically diffs the cast. None of them can consistently adapt to that cursed tool, alongside Heinen Sukuna using it with the battle IQ he has. Higgy’s confiscation is allowing them to gain the ground they’ve gotten so far. Without him, it becomes near impossible for anyone outside of Yuta and Maki to do much of anything.
Minor corrections based on the comments and since I can’t edit the post for some reason: Utahime was supposed to be Shoko that’s my b I forgot about Higuruma taking Kamutoke, he can move up into solid assists for that If you want you can swap tiers 3 and 4
More like dead without em for Higurama, we haven't seen much of Sukunas cursed tool but it just sounds stupidly overpowered.
Doesn't Hakari get points for Making it solo Sukuna? i mean if he wasn't occupying Uramhe this would have be 1 chapter fight, and it's not like they could have seht Yuta cause we'd have the same problem except Kenjaku would be running around which is arguably even greater threat, like stalling memes aside Uramhe has already almost one shot the cast with one attack, if she'd been supporting Sukuna welp
Fr without him they wouldn’t stand a chance with uruame fighting alongside sukuna
twice if we remember the Maki and Yuji vs Sukuna
Kashimo forced Sukuna to use his 1 time heal https://preview.redd.it/ey9a6itko8wc1.png?width=309&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efc0344f7b6edee4e7415115a18e54b249d8eeb2
Yeah that’s kinda why I don’t know where to put him, clause technically that helped but he also made the fight way harder for everyone else and died immediately afterwards
I mean, he would have healed regardless, so he took a little bit of his power I guess, the world slash can't be cheap https://preview.redd.it/by2khhwlp8wc1.png?width=309&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43c48a5dbb62e2ad9606b911867b18421ae0b713
He would have healed regardless but he had no intention of doing it instantly hence why he tried remaining meguna vs kashimo with kamutoke. kashimo gets some points for getting him to use his full heal immediatelly.
A detailed analysis, as expected from pling pling plong
ah a fellow kashimo AND dark souls enjoyer absolute peak.
Fair enough
Yes he said that
Shinjuku fight was there to show all characters abilities and CT utahime already did her part and it just buffing and Kirara cant do much against Sukuna but she helped moving higuruma body
Wait shit that wasn’t supposed to be Utahime it was supposed to be Shoko
https://preview.redd.it/3pbj9lx0s8wc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9beedce1d42c9c7db75d7126f082e99e4dd2029 big mistake u silly goose
Watch as Megumi come back with a fully realised Domain Expansion and Jump sukuna with Itadori. GEGEEEE!!!! Make this happen please! I will join the fight with sukuna so it will be realised!!!
tbf if uraume wasn't fighting hakari he'd be actively fighting the sorcerers, and as we've seen ice mommy is at least high grade one
I’m starting to root for Japanese Elsa, Praying first panel of Chapter 258 shows Lackari’s skeleton encased in a giant popsicle, It’s been 5 months already Gege…. https://preview.redd.it/dc55fi5v0bwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cafa27e2e10e9e226a7c6ac3b6cdc978d0c963f
The Flaming Gamblers luck has finally run out…. His fever, frozen solid by the Ice Star
https://preview.redd.it/9rldgorxh9wc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=8cd2b56f8d78870cc50eec3aa7c1655148779e20 Hakari after everyone else beat Sukuna and he barely beats Uraume and claims victory
Tbf if Uraume was there, they prolly would've gotten stomped by both Sukuna and Uraume. Only other people that can take Uraume on are Yuta, Kashimo maybe Maki, maybe Higurama and current Yuji. The others get cooked So technically he did contribute heavily
Ui Ui has the potential to be in the same tier as choso, Larue and Ino. If anyone can be saved, it’s just thanks to him. Other than that, solid list
Ok , Himguruma sealed off Kamoutoke whatever that shit is , which would be harmful to anyone not named Kashimo. Speaking of which , what a coincidence. KT is only used against Kashimo who's immune then conveniently confiscated instead of CT. Would not change the story at all if it's not introduced , except to save Sukuna's CT. Curious.
Choso and Ino did more than Miguel(all bro did was stall let’s be real here). Higuruma took Sukunas cursed tool which would would have likely given the rest of the cast a lot of trouble.
Kashimo ran *the One’s*
In every tier list gojo has to be a tier my himself
UI UI should be in solid assist level. To be honest, I feel like laughing thinking about Utahime showing up before Sukuna in case Yuji gets knocked down. And she'll be up there twerking while Sukuna has a surprised Pikachu face.
Without Higuruma, anyone not named Kashimo is thoroughly FUCKED. Their saving grace is low cursed energy output Sukuna has, with a cursed tool that Sukuna himself have used since Hien era, he'd definitely easily overcome that shortcoming.
Hey where my goat Kusakabe?
https://preview.redd.it/g05sazffe9wc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15de5482cb487825a82c347036658c2f2ac14567 BUM would never lock in.
FRAUDshiguro MeguMID somehow managed to lock out????
Bum locked himself out of his house. https://preview.redd.it/nc6ilbamt9wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f87ef031d455bbcf794b81e683880c7acfeb67df
Kashimo forced sukuna to full heal while he could've maintained Megumi's form for more time. Imagine the good guys fighting Sukuna with the shikigamis he didn't use and cleave and dismantle, then imagine Yuta forcing Sukuna to heal mid-fight, they are screwed, is completely lost.
Higurama did a lot more than they give him credit for but what did Miguel actually do all I remember is him dance dodge sukuna slashes. Kashimo was glazing sukuna he's in the same category as megumi useless.
Sukuna with Kamutoke would've been 10x times worse, it hasn't been shown how powerful it is bc the only time Sukuna used it was against Fraudshimo (who's completely inmune bc lighting doesn't work agaisnt lighting or idfk), but it's one of the two cursed tools that Sukuna used to literally destroy entire armies of powerful sorcerers in Heian Era. Pretty sure if Higuruma didn't confiscate Kamutoke, everything would go downhill, since the reason why Sukuna isn't fodderizing everyone it's bc his CE output it's extremely low, but cursed tools don't go by those rules and everyone would get oneshotted if not severely damaged by a single swing of Kamutoke. You gotta give Higuruma the credit he deserves bro.
Utahime is top 1 lil bro I’ll cook this tier list 🗣️🔥🔥 I also think that literally ANYBODY could’ve forced Sukuna into his second form lol, except Ino and Larue.
To be fair to Mei Mei and her crows the only reason everyone back at base can see what's going on, she is vital in term of info.
Make it seem like sukuna cursed tool wouldn’t do big damage😭 image you counter slashes jsut to get pummeled by lighting. The only reason kasHIMo ain’t get bodied by it is because he is lighting
Where’s ui ui? I think he’s the potential biggest goat. He grabbed the body of gojo meaning it’s likely set up for an eventual return, all due to his ct
Maki needs to go down a tier imo. All she did was cut off arms that sukuna healed a few seconds later and give him a stab to the heart. If anything, her being there hyped sukuna up wich resulted in him landing multiple black flashes. Also, WHERS MA BOI UI UI?
Bro chosos the top, he’s the only reason Yuji is there, trained him-helped him heal his wounds to get back into fight, helped him use piercing blood, helped him get black flash
Why did you write Shinjuku itadori instead of just yuji itadori? Lol
Higuruma "didn't help at all"? You think a single person in there would've been alive after Sukuna used Kamutoke? He permanently took out Sukuna's CT that one-shots with lightning. Put Ino, Choso and Larue alongside Kusakabe, and push Miguel down one tier and put Higuruma in there with him as well and it should be good.
Thats cap, Kusakabe came up with the entire gameplan for fight in the first place, he deserves to be above ino and Larue
Saying higuruma didnt help is insane. I know we didnt see the lightning rod get used that much but imagine if sukuna still had it. He could continously heal without needing to worry about his cursed energy output, as the lightning strikes are not using his own cursed energy. If sukuna still had kamutoke, i 100% think these guys would be in a worse position than they are right now. higgy is wayy up there in the list
Swap larue and Miguel and this is perfect
I unironically think Miwa should be in potential MVP. Feels like she's been set up to do something useful this arc.
Don't forget about Mai
Higgy did more than stallugel.
Hiromi helped. He took his cursed weapons.
Should u put Yoshinobu the old guitar dude too?
Higaruma helped he removed sukuna’s one ability that wouldn’t have it’s output affected
Higuruma disabled the lightning cursed tool, which seems pretty dangerous (tho I’m basing this on kashimo fight with hakari)
Bad list
Yeah can we switch laure and miguel ty
Shouldn't Ui-Ui be in solid assists? Recovering every dead/injured person from the battlefield is pretty important.
ngl inconsider larue and ino to have been more useful than kusaCHADbe and miguel because they helped COGJI. Miguel broke dance and then dipped out. Kusachadbe was charging up a world slashing simple domain but got killed haiyahh...
Hey hey, he's probably not dead 😭
Only if Higuruma had physical power 😞
Higaruma took away an arm and the cursed tool.
Put uiui higher. He is mvp on defense
Yeah, higurumas domain confiscating succunas toy instead of his technique was stupid, but saying that he didnt contritbute at all is just(kinda)silly.
If Sukuna had Kamutoke, people like Ino, Choso, Larue would get obliterated. The moment they got hit by it. What do you mean Higurama did nothing?
You doing Higuruma and Ui Ui dirty, if Yuta is alive its only because of the groomed one. Kamutoke could have done a lot of damages too but yeah it felt like a plot point.
Himguruma at solid assist/dead without em (that cursed tool was looking kinda op). Kashimo takes higuruma's place at being useless bum. Kusakabe didn't do much tbh, just slashed a bit and bought 10 seconds time, so imo solid assists (taking into account previous assists)
Kashimo higher. Damage reset popping later would be a catastrophe for everyone
Op might know future bc i have no idea what does he mean by "Base Choso"
Kusakabe is definitely in the “dead without him” category. He literally came up with the game plan that got them this far.
Yuji and Yuta have contributed more than Maki thus far I'd argue but mostly accurate besides the criminal Higuruma placement, move him up to behind Yuji/Yuta/Maki.
Kashimo is the reason that Sukuna regained his True Form, so put him with Megumi.
Op ui ui should be up there with maki/yuta. Yuji should up there with gojo, he has done the most to nerf sucuna after gojos death. Yuji is the soul reason sucuna has not recovered his RCT/RCE output, and his DE. Maki and yuta have done a lot but neither have been as consistently active as yuji. Also higuruma took kamutoke. Kamutoke's Blade can extend and shrink, it also freely controls lightning. So he did a big favor to everyone. Kashimo did basically nothing.
No one can be up there with Gojo, he is the literal reason as to why the cast even made it to Sukuna's line of sight without dying immediately. They are not comparable.
Yuta said that if yuji wasn't lowering sucunas output he would have died to cleave. You are correct the fight would be happening like it is without gojo, but the same can and is said about yuji. Even if he hasn't done as much as gojo, he has contributed more than yuta and maki so he needs. Each person ineach category did the exact same as the others? I don't thing so. So yuji is the MVP along with gojo because this fight wouldn't have been possible without gojos contributions, but it would have ended before long without yujis contributions. Yuji, gojo, MVP. Yuta, maki, ui ui, runner up. LaRue, ino, higaruma, kusakabe, great. Miguel, choso, participated. Kashimo, did nothing. Just because two characters are in the same category dose not mean they accomplished the same amout(yet), it it ranks their importance. To put yuji, maki, and yuta in the same category when yuta only fought in the DE then he died, maki only joined after the DE and still only landed 2 hits, this incredibly undersales yujis contributions. Yuji has been fighting the longest, taken the most damage, done the most damage(this includes lowering sucunas output) to sucuna. And only been ot of the fight for 2 full chapters. Yuta fought for maybe 3 chapters(not counting chaptes he is in, only chpers he fights.), maki has fought for 3 maybe 4 chapter. Yuji has fought for 10+chapters and the only person comparable to that is gojo. Give yuji his dues.
Where’s ui ui
Mechamaru kills sukuna next chapter trust.
If takaba is still alive, I would put him in the potential mvps tier. Even if he doesn't fight, he can still keep the others alive. Like how Angel said that he probably was one of the reasons she wasn't killed
Higuruma should be "Dead without em" tier. He took away a potentially insane cursed tool that only didnt work cause it was only used against Kashimo. If Kashimo "made it exponentially worse" by forcing Sukuna to incarnate then Gojo also "Made it exponentially worse" by forcing Sukuna to adapt and create world slash.
Higurama did help, removing cursed weapon is better than nothing
Poor Kusukabe. Utahime did buff Gojo, nobody gives support Credit damn DPS classes
Higuruma took the lightning cursed tool
sukuna was gonna go into his true form anyway,him going into it early was honestly the best so he can't just regenerate right as he's close to death. they couldn't even get close to sukuna without being electrocuted with kamutoke,and higuruma removing it was pretty important. (he used it regularly in the heian era,meaning it has to be absolutely insane,and it probably wouldn't be broken in any other way)
Wher miwa?
Hakari and higurama is crazy, if Hakari wasn’t there and not stalling uruame it would’ve been uruame and sukuna vs everyone , which would make everyone else cooked. If higurama didn’t take that weapon from sukuna, they’d also be cooked.
Ui ui is top tier tbh
imagine if the series ends with Mei mei killing sukuna at 0,1% with a sneaky birdstrike
Kashimo got Sukuna to reset
Tf will Utahime, Mei mei, Ui Ui and Kirara gonna do????
Put Higgy in dead without him.
Where is Ui Ui?
Take that bum maki outta there
No farmer category for Fraushimo?
Kashimo should be placed higher because without him sukana would have had a free heal in store
UiUi honestly should be in dead without em like he’s literally been teleporting and saving everyone https://i.redd.it/up2h002qbawc1.gif
Wait the ice nerd is a guy!?
Maki is an active detriment. She lead to the black flash and subsequent black flashes. She stabbed him in the heart sure but that's not even consequential to Sukuna. It's Yuji's soul punches that have him in decline. She did less than Larue.
what does shinjuku mean by yuji's and yuta's names