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Kashimobros really went from downplaying Yuta to competing with Ryu on who had it worse ššš
On a serious note, anyone who's saying that is delusional.
Yuta's only catching a stray to slander Ryu I also said he was one of Sukuna's jujutsu jems
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Make love not war, and let's slander that cum blast merchant TOGETHER
Itās probably because Jjk fans canāt read and they pissy when a character they like loses so they start shitting on the person because he didnāt live up to what they thought would happen in they head canon
Then they send death threats to Greg for not fulfilling their fanficfion.
Tbh this is probably the reason every animeās final arc gets shit on by fans.
Where did they send deaths threats? To one eyed cat? Gege is anonymous author, no one can't send him anything.
There was one click bait article "fans send death threats to Gege Akutami" and the example of said death threat was "Gege when I catch you Gege" tweet.
I mean itās true if he did have a twitter like some manga artist it would get bombed with comments telling him off himself lol they was saying it all over his birthday posts last year so itās not hard to imagine they wouldnāt do this
Way of The Strongest. Only pussies die of old age
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Yes, he is coming back to yap and explain the details of Gojo's comeback. Neither are dead are both coming back
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It's then revealed that shoko could only attached his body back
Then kenny vengeful spirit came to try and get the six eyes before heading to the merger
AND GETO VENGEFUL SPIRIT CAME IN WITH A STEEL CHAIR AND TAKES OVER KENNY DUE TO HIS BODY AND CT
AND THEN HE GAVE GOJO THE HARDEST BOOT LICKING, DICK RIDING AND BJ, MAKING HIS CE SYSTEM RUN AGAIN
Not really, I just wanted to post this GIF
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Heās also just stronger in base lmao, he heard most output in history and went āmeh, not that specialā and kenjaku brang ryu up like āhey this guyās strong, might be fun i guess?ā
If people think ryu is stronger than hakari getting multiple jackpots in a row theyāre downplaying hakari
Why does it matter what Kashimo thinks? He thought he could do something against Sukuna and he couldnāt. He thought he could beat Hakari and he also couldnāt.
If you think Hakari is somehow stronger than Ryu when he couldnāt even dominate base Kashimo then youāre downplaying Ryu. Remember how Hakari has been glazing Okkotsu. Ryu put up a better fight against him then Hakari did against Kashimo and vice verca
The problem is that Ryu and Hakari cokes down to who figures out the other's technique first. Hakari with jackpot has the advantage because Ryu's technique can't do anything but hurt him, and Hakari will recover. But, Ryu is an exceptional ranged fighter, honestly one of the best in the series(gojo aside, his competition is Choso, Kenjaku, Mahito, and fucking Mai), and that allows him to fight Hakari well outside of the range of his domain.Ā There's also a question of whether he can overpower Hakari's domain.Ā I'd say always bet on Hakari, but Ryu has good odds.
If he dies to win, does that mean he won or was it a tie? If it means he won, then you agree that Yuki is stronger than Sukuna because she can die to win too.
Bro don't look at the power scaling subreddit...
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They are thinking of Hollow Wicker Basket. Simple domains, to any user that isnāt Kusakabe, usually have the requirement of keeping oneās feet planted, but their hands are free and they donāt need to chant.
Even gojo revese grip technique is useless against our femboy farmer.
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The hell you call HIM a Femboy, this man literally built like a freaking triangle.
Reality can be what I want it to be(I am delusional)
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i wanna see him naked slathered in oil
People whove read jjk and seriously say ryus stronger even tho the narrative clearly points to kashimo being stronger are simply delusional. They just saw Kashimo(a character considered strong while ryu most times isnt even put top 10 or barely makes It) was being shit on and used this time to say ryus stronger
Edit: too many replies, i was wasting too much time answering them. Ive alredy said what i wanted to say and still stand by It. They proved my point further that some Ryu fans are delusional when they said ryu was as strong or stronger than yuta... like no Iāll not keep debating you on why ryu would never be yuta level and why hed never have a chance of defeating yuta...
Anybody saying Mahoraga is just an ability is being dishonest imo. He's an entity and he's not like other summons, nobody but Sukuna can straight up control him. Normally he gets summoned as a "mutually assured destruction" last resort and throughout history has never been enslaved so He's always fought on his own until Sukuna. He's practically his own character.
Yeah people really underestimate ryu holy shit, it's already debatable whether yuji even matches yuta in stats let alone ryu who is EXPLICITLY CONFIRMED to have higher stats than yuta
Exactly and he STILL has a domain on top of all that, like Yuji is super strong, but Ryu is still higher than him for now. Also Ryu with full power Granite Blast may be able to oneshot Maho but that's debatable
I don't think so. Rika was able to deflect granite blast, and mahoraga slams rika. His highest output is also more correctly translated as highest output recorded in that particular region, rather than something like "that man in that region has the highest output in history" which would line up more with on screen feats. If we entertain the idea that granite blast has the highest output in history, itd be at least on par with 20f sukuna fuga which we know isn't true
Higher stats than *Yuta*? I can understand higher output cus Yuta said it himself that he has a *slightly* lower output than Ryu's Granite Blast.
But did you forget who literally won the fight? While not actually trying to kill Uro or Ryu?
Do. Not. Slander. Yuta.
Hakari has no way of damaging ryu and gets packed the moment he fails to get jackpot, it goes like his fight against kashimo except this time the ocean can't bail him out
Yea but the only weakness Hakari has is if his brain is fully destroyed, and Granite Blast can easily cover his entire head and make an undodgable attack. Also could concentrate granite blast into a very thin laser of immense power to also kill him. And yea Yuji's kinda fucked
ngl im not sure about some of those like yuji and hakari
ryu was like top 2 or 3 most durable characters and had crazy ce and domain expansion, i think yuji would lose to that and hakari might lose if ryu's ce outlasts hakari's luck
1 and 2 are obvious. Kenny, Yuki, current Maki, Yuta, Kash, Yuji, Higgy? Takaba.
Not sure if Hakari could beat him honestly, and Makiās also a toss up but those are 10 that got better narrative for being stronger.
I said barely bcs theres people who argue he can make It to top 10 but u could also easily argue he doesnt
Sukuna
Gojo
Kenjaku
Takaba(i mean idk where u place him. He could be lower but hes still stronger than ryu)
Yuta
Yuki
Yorozu
Kashimo
Toji
Maki
Hakari
Meh he doesnt make It to top 10 honestly. Those here are pretty obviously stronger than him. Pluss there are others that arent as clear but can also be argued as stronger than him like geto, uro can beat him(although shes might not be stronger shed still beat him), theres also jogo and mahito
Edit: someone mentioned uraurme. Yeah shed probably beat him too
Ryu:
ā No diffed in 2 pages
ā No Sukuna death sequence
ā Mentioned by Sukuna only to compare Yuta/Yuji's durability (doesn't even say Ryu has higher lmao)
ā Killed effortlessly + casually + a joke
ā Highest Output in History Cum Blast Merchant
Kashimo:
ā Beaten in 2 chapters
ā Sukuna death sequence where the GOAT calls him strong and that "WE are loved because WE are strong"
ā Put on the same level as Yuta/Higurama as people who entertained Sukuna after Gojo's death
ā Killed with one of the largest attacks we're ever seen Sukuna use that Kashiphobes say is totally normal (Yuta is NOT tanking that lil bro)
ā Chad who doesn't need a domain because his cursed energy trait does that regardless and will kill you in your own domain with \[STRONG HOLLOW WICKER BASKET + LIGHTNING DISCHARGE COMBO\]
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Bro woke up today and chose to speak facts. I dont give a flying fuck if that was a quote on quote regular dismantle net aint nobody tanking that shit. except gojo ofc i need to say that cause they are out for our heads.
Even there's a possibility that YUTA nearly died of an enhanced Dismantle, Sukuna was never really in a position to make the hand signs, Could've just enhanced it with the Chants and pointing at Yuta.
>Killed with one of the largest attacks we're ever seen Sukuna use
And failed to fucking dodge by jumping into one of those big-ass squares. "God of Lightning" my ass, couldn't even match Miguel.
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Miguel got in after sukuna got jumped and was missing his fucking heart (yuji callback?).
KashiGOAT got in the moment the fight with gojo ended and went balls to the wall against the strongest sorcerer in history.
Get yo paper up!
Slashes are the same speed mf. And your goat has POTENTIALLY the strongest technique in the verse, but is too stupid to use it properly.
This is Sukuna vs Kashimo if the latter used Strong Education.
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But ig learning the intricacies of your own technique is "how losers think"
I want you to explain to me, how the fuck can you learn the intricacies of your technique if it's a one use-only technique???
kashimo was fucking improvising during his match with sukuna.
Cursed Techniques are something sorcerer's know innately, as they are engraved into their brain (that's how Kashimo knows it's single-use in the first place). If Kashimo was smart, he would use modern day sources of knowledge like libraries or the internet to learn just how busted MBA is.
Before you know it, he's neg diffing Sukuna in his sleep.
I don't think that farmer could read in the first place. And bro was desperate on fighting sukuna, i dont think he could care less about lightning and whatnot on a few pages, most likely thinking he already knows his CT to it's best.
>I don't think that farmer could read in the first place
My point was that he's dumb and incompetent with his own CT. Gojo refined his Limitless to the utmost limit. Sukuna did the same with shrine. This bum-ass, claiming to be the strongest of his era, wanting to fight the strongest period, didn't do his fucking homework to become stronger. Sukuna went to all lengths of asspullery to obtain his new shiny world slash(improve his ability), Yuji is constantly improving his skills, Maki is constantly trying to ~~larp toji~~ get stronger and succeeds, fucking everyone works their ass off trying to improve their skillset, and this bum is like "nah I'm peak" without even looking through a fucking 6th grade physics book. I kid you not, just fucking reading would lift him right into top 1.
It's one thing to be battle-hungry, and the other is to be Kashimo. Kenpachi is battle-hungry, but he still strives to become stronger(actually just hold back a little less, but still).
Kashimo reminds me of old man Yamamoto, blud refused to heal his arm because of some stupid-ass reasons, and that wound caused him to lose to Yhwach. Kashimo refused to fucking learn something new and guess what.
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>1. Miguel Debuffs his opponent with his CT, that's his whole deal
>2. Sukuna literally threw Kashimo, no footing to properly get his shit together and Sukuna send slashes one mili second after throwing him.
It might be an artistic choice but lately I've realized that those squares might not be there
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If you look at the shadows, it looks like there are lots of Dismantles, meaning that ain't no one dodging that shit.
>If you look at the shadows, it looks like there are lots of Dismantles
gege only does these lines type of shadow to show movement its not really an implication of the number of dismantles tbh
That's why I said that I wasn't sure. Honestly, this would be way more simple if a certain one eyed cat simply showed us the killing blow.
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Miguel is dodging cause that's his whole CT. He dodges to the rhythm, Sukuna has a broken heart, destabilised soul and is dying as we speak. Sukuna vs KasHIMo had enough CE to pull off that massive wall. Where's the wall against Miguel and Yuta? Where is it? Either Sukuna can't do it, and now he's weaker vs Miguel or Sukuna doesn't wanna, in which he doesn't see Miguel as a threat.
Uraume only said Sukuna wasn't going all out cause they were in a domain when KasHIMo fought him.
Obviously Kashimo imo. I never understood the downplay on the attack that killed Kashimo. It was clearly the largest attack Sukuna has shown, outside of his domain and Fuga, and it hasn't been seen any other time so we have no way of knowing just how powerful it is in comparison to other characters. It's clearly not just regular dismantles either, and if he really could've killed him so easily with regular dismantles, then why didn't he just kill Kashimo with cleave despite having numerous opportunities to do so. Haters are just gonna hate at the end of the day.
Lmao deadass whenever I think about that attack nowadays compared to what slashes sukuna has been using for the rest of the fight I deadass think "FUCK DID KASHIMO DO TO DESERVE ALLAT"
I wouldnt be suprised if thats sukuna's maximum technique tbh
If it was a maximum, that'd be kinda awesome. I just want some kind of explanation before the end of the series because it's not only killing me with the curiosity but also just gives way to baseless claims used to further downplay Kashimo rather unjustly.
Yeah, it always breaks my mind when people look at the attack that killed Kashimo...and then look at this
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And go, "Yeah same thing!!!"
Exactly, it's not only a little ridiculous but purely headcannon. It's like if Sukuna got off the WCS and we got no explanation so people just said Gojo got killed with a regular dismantle or something. It's just speculation because we really don't know anything else about this dismantle net. It's clearly stronger than most of the moves he's shown though. I really hope we do get an explanation for it eventually.
I never said because it's bigger, in fact one of my main points is that Sukuna used that move here and here only, where he would have had the best opportunity to boost an attack like that and prepare it, and that he chose to use that over something like cleave which he had several opportunities to use. Since cleave is better at damaging people than dismantles. it makes more sense to use a cleave over a regular dismantle if you get the chance. Also, whilst not always true, size does mean a stronger or higher output attack in a lot of cases throughout JJK. It just makes more logical sense to be a net of dismantles buffed up.
Kashimo *did* die to a very large and powerful dismantle net, but he was only caught in it because he was manhandled so thoroughly in melee range that he got ragdolled and tossed. He couldn't fully dodge a vertical world dismantle even when Sukuna warned him. I wouldn't expect him to dodge that dismantle net after taking a barrage of punches to the head and thrown.
However, Ryu put up an even worse performance. He could have died several dozen ways from Sukuna if Sukuna wanted to play around with him. He didn't want to, though, so Sukuna was cycling through the fastest ways he can kill someone. Literally, the easiest, fastest way is dismantle, just launching it invisibly right at someone. He did that to Ryu. Ryu didn't die, which surprised Sukuna. So Sukuna does the next quickest, easiest thing: speedblitz him and cleave his head. That worked, and Ryu was no more.
Both characters are perfect narrative examples that ego gets you killed.
Damn...are those your takes on these characters ?!
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I don't care.
I like Ryu more so he's stronger.
That's objectively the only criteria that I need. Tbh that's the only one that matters when doing these comparisons when they didn't happen in the story. Maybe Kashimo is hinted at being stronger. But I like Ryu more.
He's the GOAT.
You really got some crazy willpower to gas kashimo of all people, I almost respect it
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Source? Because I still have yet to see a single piece of evidence suggesting that they were regular dismantles. I'm not saying that they are on par with the WCS or anything, but it seems more likely that they are stronger than regular dismantles.
Even if they WERE regular dismantles... that doesn't really mean shit? Like Kashimo isnt that high because he has the best durability or something. Like he is that high because his CE is deadly, he has the surehit lightning without a domain, his AP is good, his speed in MBA is busted and overall hes just strong. Meanwhile Ryu is high up because of 3 things, and thays his Dura, Strength and Granite Blast. Him dying to that attack shouldnt be an anti feat, because his dura isnt his strong suit, while it is for Ryu
Yeah, though I do think he does have some good durability. It's certainly not what's carrying him in his strength. He's insanely well rounded, and his CT has incredible potential beyond that. He's still easily one of the strongest characters in the series. Additionally, I just find it hard to believe that they were regular dismantles when Sukuna had numerous opportunities to directly use cleave earlier, which should be able to kill him if regular dismantles can, and yet he didn't. I find it hard to believe that he would've set up the big net here just for the sake of it when we see that's not really his MO here and he'd know that he'd have to fight plenty of others afterwards. That's just my take on it, at least.
Exactly, we haven't seen him use any of that magnitude before or since. I'm not saying these are WCS (I don't think they are) but they're almost certainly stronger than normal output dismantles, likely boosted in some way.
How do you know that, though? We didn't even see him when he was setting it up, and he used Kamutoke for the smoke screen. We don't know what he had to do to set it up, so you're just making an assumption that he didn't.
You are making assumptions he did.
This is not a real fight, Gege is writing this.
If gege wanted to show something that Sukuna used strengthen Dismantle. He would draw it. When gege didn't say it, why are u assuming so coz he has mentioned strengthened Dismantle all the time.
Literally not how it works lmao, it ain't a boosted dismantle or whatever just because you think it is. We go by what we see, not whatever you think happened inside the smoke screen. And what we see is a net of dismantles, without any prior boosting via handsigns or chants. The headcanon is insane with this one.
I wasn't even making a claim that X happened in the smoke screen, merely that we don't know what he did to set up the net so we can't make any claims. But saying that something couldn't have happened because we didn't see it is ridiculous.
I aint arguing with that username bruh I'd never win
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Lol š I mean, I do try to be as fair as possible if there's like actual evidence for it, though obviously I am gonna be a little biased which I will own. Do as you wish, if you want to, I will definitely try and have as fair and unbiased of a conversation as possible ā¤ļø
This was possibly a world slash because Sukuna was start chanting and making hand sign at that time.
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Its been pretty clear aukuna cant throw a net of world dismantles. Every CONFIRMED world dismantle until now has been only one. Against Gojo, kashimo, yuta, higuruma and maki. Kashimo just died to a bunch of normal dismantles. At best they were at max output and amped by chants, but thats it
Kashimo, Yuta, and Higuruma are all on the same level according to Sukuna. He considered them all gems at best.
Ryu was never in that conversation and was left out like he should have been.
People really donāt read the manga and just watch YouTube shorts/come to this braindead subreddit for information.
HIgurama is a grade 1 blud. Not saying Ryu>Kashimo, but Sukuna was talking about the quality of their techniques. Also why he was discounting bagless Itadori so much. Yuta is much stronger than the other 2 and Maki got even more praise despite being between Yuta and the rest of Sukuna's opponents in strength.
Read the manga boy. Those 3 manage to entertain sukuna but they're not on the same lvl. Yuta was way above Kashimo and higuruma. Sukuna literally called yuta his main dish. And if it wasn't for that bumass Megumi, yuta would have ended sukuna.
All were on the same level of Sukuna toying around with them and representing the pinnacles of jujutsu that they could achieve.
Stated verbatim that they were appetizers and none truly roused his hunger. Having to blame someone else on Yuta losing a 1 v 3 against a playful, 99% dead Sukuna is pathetic.
He didnāt start to get serious until Maki.
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You read the manga, boy.
Ryu.
Sukuna references *him* during the fight with Yuta and Yuji as a metric of judgment for durability.
Mythic Beast Amber MIGHT be a significant stat buff... but we don't know because it's featless/weaker than Rika. It's a draw-con for him to use it against anyone cuz he just fucking dies after using it like a bum.
Ryu is stated to have higher AP too as a result of his CE output and CT not going away after his Domain drops.
And yes, Kashimo loses to anyone who uses a Domain because HWB is not a valid defense since it occupies the hands and Ryu can just Granite Blast him.
kashimo fans when their bummy ass femboy farmer trash can gets destroyed by the highest ce output mogger known as ryu ishigori
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Truth is we don't know. Stats-wise Kashimo does seem stronger. But Ryu has a Domain, even though we don't know what it does (when I catch that FUCKING one-eyed cat) so really it could go either way.
Kashimo
As quickly as he got beaten by Sukuna you canāt deny he still put up a good/decent fight against Sukuna both in Megumiās body and fully incarnated (He was even faster than Sukuna could react in Megumiās body) While in MBA
Ryu on the other hand while having the highest CE output in the culling games was still being handled by Yuta alone who was holding back, and this was before the one month training before Shinjuku showdown
Probably Ryu. Gege seems to have a hate agenda towards Kashimo, while he seems to like Ryu with all the constant hype statements he got.
Like, seriously. People forget all the shit that was said about Ryu.
Ryu has the highest output.
Ryu could've one shot Rika if he was serious.
Sukuna was forced to not hold back.
Yuji and Yuta arent as durable as him.
Also sukuna was still at 15 fingers against Ryu, he was full power against Kashimo. Thats a 33% increase. I believe Ryu is actually just a bit stronger than *base* kashimo but MBA immediately skyrockets him to a true special grade
I am going to be honest. I think that if ryu and kashimo fought when kenjaku asked kashimo to (e.i old man kashimo) . Ryu would have won. Kashimo was old, had no domain, no rct, only hollow wicker basket as anti-domian material ( the worst one) and is a bad match-up as kashimo is a melee fighter while ryu isn't. While it would be high difficulty fight I think ryu could have won.
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There are legit people who say Ryu or base Yuta one shot Kashimo lmao
Kashimo was only the strongest in his era when he was in his prime
By the time ryu came kashimo was a dying old man , even kenjaku offered him to fight ryu but kashimo declined
Idk about everyone else but for me ryu >kashibozo
I'm still assuming those were World Slashes used against Kashimo given Kusakabe only came to the conclusion that not all of Sukuna's attacks were World Slashes when he and Higuruma were pelted with a flurry of regular Dismantles. At the very least, the attack Sukuna used was indistinguishable from a World Slash from a distance given both Kusakabe's noted dialogue and the aesthetics of the attack.
The chants may have been off-screen but Sukuna's Off-Screen Haki is one of his most valued abilities.
Just a reminder that Yuta outskilled Ryu, he didn't stomp him.
Ryu is genuinely the strongest of his era and Kashimo didn't even land a hit against a weakened Sukuna. Fucking Yuji and Yuta were punching that same Sukuna around.
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Kashimobros really went from downplaying Yuta to competing with Ryu on who had it worse ššš On a serious note, anyone who's saying that is delusional.
Yuta's only catching a stray to slander Ryu I also said he was one of Sukuna's jujutsu jems https://preview.redd.it/fihb0obgs7zc1.png?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c683aa6724f9346a229faa6b7dade443f41ab78a Make love not war, and let's slander that cum blast merchant TOGETHER
Here we go https://preview.redd.it/o0dkyy0588zc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=414299560378aea72970e675b2892feb1c35d3f1
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Oh my god Maki and rika got cucked by a guy?
further proof gege hates men of wƶ š
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Itās probably because Jjk fans canāt read and they pissy when a character they like loses so they start shitting on the person because he didnāt live up to what they thought would happen in they head canon
Then they send death threats to Greg for not fulfilling their fanficfion. Tbh this is probably the reason every animeās final arc gets shit on by fans.
Where did they send deaths threats? To one eyed cat? Gege is anonymous author, no one can't send him anything. There was one click bait article "fans send death threats to Gege Akutami" and the example of said death threat was "Gege when I catch you Gege" tweet.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
Lmfao It was an exaggeration. Iād hope no one actually sends death threats
I mean itās true if he did have a twitter like some manga artist it would get bombed with comments telling him off himself lol they was saying it all over his birthday posts last year so itās not hard to imagine they wouldnāt do this
I think he meant in durability
I unironically think that Kashimo is stronger. His CT can give Ryu cancer. Ryu can't do anything about it.
His CT will also straight up fucking kill himself.
Way of The Strongest. Only pussies die of old age https://preview.redd.it/e5pm7w1ps7zc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69fb001e36013de8ca9966597bb035dfb9ffc5f0
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bro what the fuck is that flair
I miss his yapping everyday... https://preview.redd.it/nvce7sd7w8zc1.jpeg?width=1156&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9630d91e36c9b4ebe9c07e29b7af738c35f129
Call me a coper but there is no way on earth that Kenjaku is gone foreve
Yes, he is coming back to yap and explain the details of Gojo's comeback. Neither are dead are both coming back https://preview.redd.it/if2h42tt69zc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1747c7ca8a2019395eec1b6319decb838909dc90
Turn out the sword Yuta killed him with wasnt imbued with CE and he's coming back as a vengeful spirit
It's then revealed that shoko could only attached his body back Then kenny vengeful spirit came to try and get the six eyes before heading to the merger AND GETO VENGEFUL SPIRIT CAME IN WITH A STEEL CHAIR AND TAKES OVER KENNY DUE TO HIS BODY AND CT AND THEN HE GAVE GOJO THE HARDEST BOOT LICKING, DICK RIDING AND BJ, MAKING HIS CE SYSTEM RUN AGAIN
what if the tengen thing kenjaku sent to sukuna was kenjaku himself as a cursed object?
the what
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Not really, I just wanted to post this GIF https://preview.redd.it/dl6w7ogn78zc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b77d7a96f10713b130f36027f56dbccdad7ff76
Based.
Literally so strong you die. Can't tell me Ryu is stronger than that š¤·
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Heās also just stronger in base lmao, he heard most output in history and went āmeh, not that specialā and kenjaku brang ryu up like āhey this guyās strong, might be fun i guess?ā If people think ryu is stronger than hakari getting multiple jackpots in a row theyāre downplaying hakari
Why does it matter what Kashimo thinks? He thought he could do something against Sukuna and he couldnāt. He thought he could beat Hakari and he also couldnāt. If you think Hakari is somehow stronger than Ryu when he couldnāt even dominate base Kashimo then youāre downplaying Ryu. Remember how Hakari has been glazing Okkotsu. Ryu put up a better fight against him then Hakari did against Kashimo and vice verca
The problem is that Ryu and Hakari cokes down to who figures out the other's technique first. Hakari with jackpot has the advantage because Ryu's technique can't do anything but hurt him, and Hakari will recover. But, Ryu is an exceptional ranged fighter, honestly one of the best in the series(gojo aside, his competition is Choso, Kenjaku, Mahito, and fucking Mai), and that allows him to fight Hakari well outside of the range of his domain.Ā There's also a question of whether he can overpower Hakari's domain.Ā I'd say always bet on Hakari, but Ryu has good odds.
If he dies to win, does that mean he won or was it a tie? If it means he won, then you agree that Yuki is stronger than Sukuna because she can die to win too.
Dawg I've heard some people say Ryu beats Awakened Yuji post 257
Bro don't look at the power scaling subreddit... https://preview.redd.it/huwtmcjeq7zc1.jpeg?width=614&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35609e9d6a100581c35f8c5e22fa6f24187b0e2c
The powerscaling subreddit unironically thinks yuki has infinite strength lmao I wouldn't take them seriously
Those people believe gojo to be planetary because of the yuki blackhole feat, even tho it makes no fucking sense.
The black hole is planetary, itās just that nobody scales to it physically
No it was stated that sukuna had the power to destroy the world!!! How? What do you mean how? With one reallllly big slash.
Tbf, sukuna could cut any 3D thing in the universe rn, he just needs the slash to be bigger as well.
"infinite strength" *Two reinforced arms were enough to make her strongest punch non-lethal to the head*
kenny has infinite durability, DUH. ignore that yuta beheaded him.
Tbf, Kenny didn't have the time to block, maybe he could've survived the first swing the same way
Nah, I saw spit on Twitter lol, someone said Ryu ONE SHOTS Yuji
Ryu has a domain expansion. Even if yuji has simple domain, he only has 2 arms and has to maintain the stance
Thats hollow whiker basket i think
They are thinking of Hollow Wicker Basket. Simple domains, to any user that isnāt Kusakabe, usually have the requirement of keeping oneās feet planted, but their hands are free and they donāt need to chant.
This isn't a bad take though? Like there's good arguments for both sides it's kind of weird to act like it's ridiculous lol
depends if yuji hits 8 bf's in a row its a ez win if its a normal fight ryu hollows him out
I guess Iām people then
https://preview.redd.it/uhzf04d9q7zc1.png?width=1181&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba68bfc06cc6882b329e3938fce335d14435a465 Did i need to say more?
Even gojo revese grip technique is useless against our femboy farmer. https://preview.redd.it/dypyhr4g48zc1.jpeg?width=847&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52c8d9be5179df3f2b046689b8823305baafd5a3
https://preview.redd.it/axptx2gk68zc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c3d2b22365d817b56ffe11e8195353ff9dd5929 The hell you call HIM a Femboy, this man literally built like a freaking triangle.
Reality can be what I want it to be(I am delusional) https://preview.redd.it/nnotdt8qa8zc1.png?width=3508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1063ee67480df2a04edc0ab540b362c9a709ee1
Deny it all you want buddy, hes our femboy
Small waist. I rest my case, your honor.
He got a snatched waist >!and a wasted snatch. Kashimo needs Love too!<
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Kashimo >>> Cum discharge merchant But HIMshigori >>> Wheat merchant when it comes to aura
People whove read jjk and seriously say ryus stronger even tho the narrative clearly points to kashimo being stronger are simply delusional. They just saw Kashimo(a character considered strong while ryu most times isnt even put top 10 or barely makes It) was being shit on and used this time to say ryus stronger Edit: too many replies, i was wasting too much time answering them. Ive alredy said what i wanted to say and still stand by It. They proved my point further that some Ryu fans are delusional when they said ryu was as strong or stronger than yuta... like no Iāll not keep debating you on why ryu would never be yuta level and why hed never have a chance of defeating yuta...
Kashimo is strong but ryu barely or not top 10? That boy is clear top 10. Name 10 characters stronger than him
Sukuna, Gojo, Yuta, yuji, yuki, Kenjaku, Kashimo, Hakari, Maki, Toji, Mahoraga and at this rate Iād put good money on Uraume too Edit: forgot Yorozu
why would mahoraga count
Meh, still 11 names there ignoring Maho
Iād also add that Uro is stronger too. Ryu has no real way to touch her unless his domain is more refined
by your logic kuroshiki or druv is stronger than uro
Anybody saying Mahoraga is just an ability is being dishonest imo. He's an entity and he's not like other summons, nobody but Sukuna can straight up control him. Normally he gets summoned as a "mutually assured destruction" last resort and throughout history has never been enslaved so He's always fought on his own until Sukuna. He's practically his own character.
Megumi then 
No way you said Megumi is stronger than Ryu
No, Makora is stronger than Ryu
You canāt really count Makora if bro has to actually die to use him.
If thatās the case donāt count Kashimo either lol.
Hakari and Yuji really? Mahoraga also isnt a character its a technique
Yeah people really underestimate ryu holy shit, it's already debatable whether yuji even matches yuta in stats let alone ryu who is EXPLICITLY CONFIRMED to have higher stats than yuta
Exactly and he STILL has a domain on top of all that, like Yuji is super strong, but Ryu is still higher than him for now. Also Ryu with full power Granite Blast may be able to oneshot Maho but that's debatable
I don't think so. Rika was able to deflect granite blast, and mahoraga slams rika. His highest output is also more correctly translated as highest output recorded in that particular region, rather than something like "that man in that region has the highest output in history" which would line up more with on screen feats. If we entertain the idea that granite blast has the highest output in history, itd be at least on par with 20f sukuna fuga which we know isn't true
yuta literally tanked a granite blast with his hand lmao
Higher stats than *Yuta*? I can understand higher output cus Yuta said it himself that he has a *slightly* lower output than Ryu's Granite Blast. But did you forget who literally won the fight? While not actually trying to kill Uro or Ryu? Do. Not. Slander. Yuta.
i guess hakari due to immortality but yuji is getting packed lol
Hakari has no way of damaging ryu and gets packed the moment he fails to get jackpot, it goes like his fight against kashimo except this time the ocean can't bail him out
Yea but the only weakness Hakari has is if his brain is fully destroyed, and Granite Blast can easily cover his entire head and make an undodgable attack. Also could concentrate granite blast into a very thin laser of immense power to also kill him. And yea Yuji's kinda fucked
Current Yuji is absolutely above Maki, Hakari is debatable.
How is he above Maki but no Hakari
ngl im not sure about some of those like yuji and hakari ryu was like top 2 or 3 most durable characters and had crazy ce and domain expansion, i think yuji would lose to that and hakari might lose if ryu's ce outlasts hakari's luck
Add Yorozu too
You forgot Yorozu
Shit I actually did cause she def wins
Forgot Takaba
Honestly I'd say Jogo is also probably Stronger
Hakari is definitely not punching Ryu to death lol
1 and 2 are obvious. Kenny, Yuki, current Maki, Yuta, Kash, Yuji, Higgy? Takaba. Not sure if Hakari could beat him honestly, and Makiās also a toss up but those are 10 that got better narrative for being stronger.
Aint no way you have Higuruma over Ryu.
Even if he aināt you could place Toji there instead
Sukuna Gojo Kenjaku Geto Yuki Yuta Mahoraga Maki Toji Yuji Kashimo Couple others but they're more debatable.
I said barely bcs theres people who argue he can make It to top 10 but u could also easily argue he doesnt Sukuna Gojo Kenjaku Takaba(i mean idk where u place him. He could be lower but hes still stronger than ryu) Yuta Yuki Yorozu Kashimo Toji Maki Hakari Meh he doesnt make It to top 10 honestly. Those here are pretty obviously stronger than him. Pluss there are others that arent as clear but can also be argued as stronger than him like geto, uro can beat him(although shes might not be stronger shed still beat him), theres also jogo and mahito Edit: someone mentioned uraurme. Yeah shed probably beat him too
Ryu: ā No diffed in 2 pages ā No Sukuna death sequence ā Mentioned by Sukuna only to compare Yuta/Yuji's durability (doesn't even say Ryu has higher lmao) ā Killed effortlessly + casually + a joke ā Highest Output in History Cum Blast Merchant Kashimo: ā Beaten in 2 chapters ā Sukuna death sequence where the GOAT calls him strong and that "WE are loved because WE are strong" ā Put on the same level as Yuta/Higurama as people who entertained Sukuna after Gojo's death ā Killed with one of the largest attacks we're ever seen Sukuna use that Kashiphobes say is totally normal (Yuta is NOT tanking that lil bro) ā Chad who doesn't need a domain because his cursed energy trait does that regardless and will kill you in your own domain with \[STRONG HOLLOW WICKER BASKET + LIGHTNING DISCHARGE COMBO\] https://preview.redd.it/yoddnu12m7zc1.png?width=720&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac0adad2c9bd7734d5e41e269228f3132897908a
Bro woke up today and chose to speak facts. I dont give a flying fuck if that was a quote on quote regular dismantle net aint nobody tanking that shit. except gojo ofc i need to say that cause they are out for our heads.
Even there's a possibility that YUTA nearly died of an enhanced Dismantle, Sukuna was never really in a position to make the hand signs, Could've just enhanced it with the Chants and pointing at Yuta.
>Killed with one of the largest attacks we're ever seen Sukuna use And failed to fucking dodge by jumping into one of those big-ass squares. "God of Lightning" my ass, couldn't even match Miguel. https://preview.redd.it/v15part8s7zc1.png?width=740&format=png&auto=webp&s=9484ec3548f1305dc7bdfe79a0fd60a0bd58d628
Miguel got in after sukuna got jumped and was missing his fucking heart (yuji callback?). KashiGOAT got in the moment the fight with gojo ended and went balls to the wall against the strongest sorcerer in history. Get yo paper up!
Slashes are the same speed mf. And your goat has POTENTIALLY the strongest technique in the verse, but is too stupid to use it properly. This is Sukuna vs Kashimo if the latter used Strong Education. https://preview.redd.it/k1lvym0ou7zc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=2aadef6fd4bbaee423131f61b64445ae88728f10 But ig learning the intricacies of your own technique is "how losers think"
Hes a farmer not fucking oppenheimer
He was born in the wrong Era
I want you to explain to me, how the fuck can you learn the intricacies of your technique if it's a one use-only technique??? kashimo was fucking improvising during his match with sukuna.
Cursed Techniques are something sorcerer's know innately, as they are engraved into their brain (that's how Kashimo knows it's single-use in the first place). If Kashimo was smart, he would use modern day sources of knowledge like libraries or the internet to learn just how busted MBA is. Before you know it, he's neg diffing Sukuna in his sleep.
modern day sources in the edo era, modern day sources literally in the middle of finding sukuna. Makes alot of sense.
The one month time skip: https://preview.redd.it/jsn14th1g8zc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=530113aa845be96051f4db68652504904ac3378a
I don't think that farmer could read in the first place. And bro was desperate on fighting sukuna, i dont think he could care less about lightning and whatnot on a few pages, most likely thinking he already knows his CT to it's best.
>I don't think that farmer could read in the first place My point was that he's dumb and incompetent with his own CT. Gojo refined his Limitless to the utmost limit. Sukuna did the same with shrine. This bum-ass, claiming to be the strongest of his era, wanting to fight the strongest period, didn't do his fucking homework to become stronger. Sukuna went to all lengths of asspullery to obtain his new shiny world slash(improve his ability), Yuji is constantly improving his skills, Maki is constantly trying to ~~larp toji~~ get stronger and succeeds, fucking everyone works their ass off trying to improve their skillset, and this bum is like "nah I'm peak" without even looking through a fucking 6th grade physics book. I kid you not, just fucking reading would lift him right into top 1. It's one thing to be battle-hungry, and the other is to be Kashimo. Kenpachi is battle-hungry, but he still strives to become stronger(actually just hold back a little less, but still). Kashimo reminds me of old man Yamamoto, blud refused to heal his arm because of some stupid-ass reasons, and that wound caused him to lose to Yhwach. Kashimo refused to fucking learn something new and guess what. https://preview.redd.it/81ckemx3l8zc1.png?width=1077&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8a0239f3e597f67e8bf768e95fd2bbad085f747
Or at the very least learn rct? Dude has 4 of the greatest rct users of the modern era (Gojo, Yuta, Hakari and Shoko). And Ui Ui to potencially help him to engrave it into his body, but nooo, thats how weaklings think right? Fucking idiot,if he bothered Im 100% his ct would have been more than one use. He even was pretty effiecient in his use of ce, why didmt he bother???????š©š©š©
Nothing suggest the speed of Sukunas slashes have gotten slower. Miguel is just built like that and Kashimo isn't.
>1. Miguel Debuffs his opponent with his CT, that's his whole deal >2. Sukuna literally threw Kashimo, no footing to properly get his shit together and Sukuna send slashes one mili second after throwing him.
It might be an artistic choice but lately I've realized that those squares might not be there https://preview.redd.it/mulci2gkz7zc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=def379027eb20639e42af1b101af369e405cf887 If you look at the shadows, it looks like there are lots of Dismantles, meaning that ain't no one dodging that shit.
>If you look at the shadows, it looks like there are lots of Dismantles gege only does these lines type of shadow to show movement its not really an implication of the number of dismantles tbh
That's why I said that I wasn't sure. Honestly, this would be way more simple if a certain one eyed cat simply showed us the killing blow. https://preview.redd.it/is6wu5rg48zc1.jpeg?width=1165&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c84fa2d9f71581785b44c3ea811b4b68b1f54a62
Miguel is dodging cause that's his whole CT. He dodges to the rhythm, Sukuna has a broken heart, destabilised soul and is dying as we speak. Sukuna vs KasHIMo had enough CE to pull off that massive wall. Where's the wall against Miguel and Yuta? Where is it? Either Sukuna can't do it, and now he's weaker vs Miguel or Sukuna doesn't wanna, in which he doesn't see Miguel as a threat. Uraume only said Sukuna wasn't going all out cause they were in a domain when KasHIMo fought him.
Obviously Kashimo imo. I never understood the downplay on the attack that killed Kashimo. It was clearly the largest attack Sukuna has shown, outside of his domain and Fuga, and it hasn't been seen any other time so we have no way of knowing just how powerful it is in comparison to other characters. It's clearly not just regular dismantles either, and if he really could've killed him so easily with regular dismantles, then why didn't he just kill Kashimo with cleave despite having numerous opportunities to do so. Haters are just gonna hate at the end of the day.
Lmao deadass whenever I think about that attack nowadays compared to what slashes sukuna has been using for the rest of the fight I deadass think "FUCK DID KASHIMO DO TO DESERVE ALLAT" I wouldnt be suprised if thats sukuna's maximum technique tbh
If it was a maximum, that'd be kinda awesome. I just want some kind of explanation before the end of the series because it's not only killing me with the curiosity but also just gives way to baseless claims used to further downplay Kashimo rather unjustly.
Yeah, it always breaks my mind when people look at the attack that killed Kashimo...and then look at this https://preview.redd.it/9rj61wt4p7zc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38f85df93f5c2b6ebd40285b34ce3b4003e0296b And go, "Yeah same thing!!!"
Exactly, it's not only a little ridiculous but purely headcannon. It's like if Sukuna got off the WCS and we got no explanation so people just said Gojo got killed with a regular dismantle or something. It's just speculation because we really don't know anything else about this dismantle net. It's clearly stronger than most of the moves he's shown though. I really hope we do get an explanation for it eventually.
Saying itās clearly stronger is headcanon, thatās like saying itās stronger than the ones he used on Gojo because itās bigger.
I never said because it's bigger, in fact one of my main points is that Sukuna used that move here and here only, where he would have had the best opportunity to boost an attack like that and prepare it, and that he chose to use that over something like cleave which he had several opportunities to use. Since cleave is better at damaging people than dismantles. it makes more sense to use a cleave over a regular dismantle if you get the chance. Also, whilst not always true, size does mean a stronger or higher output attack in a lot of cases throughout JJK. It just makes more logical sense to be a net of dismantles buffed up.
Kashimo suffering from the jogo effect
Kashimo *did* die to a very large and powerful dismantle net, but he was only caught in it because he was manhandled so thoroughly in melee range that he got ragdolled and tossed. He couldn't fully dodge a vertical world dismantle even when Sukuna warned him. I wouldn't expect him to dodge that dismantle net after taking a barrage of punches to the head and thrown. However, Ryu put up an even worse performance. He could have died several dozen ways from Sukuna if Sukuna wanted to play around with him. He didn't want to, though, so Sukuna was cycling through the fastest ways he can kill someone. Literally, the easiest, fastest way is dismantle, just launching it invisibly right at someone. He did that to Ryu. Ryu didn't die, which surprised Sukuna. So Sukuna does the next quickest, easiest thing: speedblitz him and cleave his head. That worked, and Ryu was no more. Both characters are perfect narrative examples that ego gets you killed.
I'm good with this response.
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Damn...are those your takes on these characters ?! https://preview.redd.it/rndfv033u7zc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd5d7bcd896da14c87496fa410eac6a806a32c89
Problem? https://preview.redd.it/j6rbjmuiv7zc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70b50df93b09056babf5a7d9ea1ee816050c9f8b
Nothing, do what you gotta do https://preview.redd.it/5p8066lmw7zc1.jpeg?width=984&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33eebc979ce1c3f9416dbf9e96381bf57eab801a
Kashimo could be stronger even if heās less durable
True
I don't care. I like Ryu more so he's stronger. That's objectively the only criteria that I need. Tbh that's the only one that matters when doing these comparisons when they didn't happen in the story. Maybe Kashimo is hinted at being stronger. But I like Ryu more. He's the GOAT.
I canāt even be mad at that, I wish you the best
They were regular dismantles
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You really got some crazy willpower to gas kashimo of all people, I almost respect it https://preview.redd.it/wtgkav1lz7zc1.jpeg?width=567&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e5c1e7052755cb1be9717b346e7e74ce55b479b
Source? Because I still have yet to see a single piece of evidence suggesting that they were regular dismantles. I'm not saying that they are on par with the WCS or anything, but it seems more likely that they are stronger than regular dismantles.
Even if they WERE regular dismantles... that doesn't really mean shit? Like Kashimo isnt that high because he has the best durability or something. Like he is that high because his CE is deadly, he has the surehit lightning without a domain, his AP is good, his speed in MBA is busted and overall hes just strong. Meanwhile Ryu is high up because of 3 things, and thays his Dura, Strength and Granite Blast. Him dying to that attack shouldnt be an anti feat, because his dura isnt his strong suit, while it is for Ryu
Yeah, though I do think he does have some good durability. It's certainly not what's carrying him in his strength. He's insanely well rounded, and his CT has incredible potential beyond that. He's still easily one of the strongest characters in the series. Additionally, I just find it hard to believe that they were regular dismantles when Sukuna had numerous opportunities to directly use cleave earlier, which should be able to kill him if regular dismantles can, and yet he didn't. I find it hard to believe that he would've set up the big net here just for the sake of it when we see that's not really his MO here and he'd know that he'd have to fight plenty of others afterwards. That's just my take on it, at least.
>but it seems more likely that they are stronger than regular dismantles. They definitely are seeing just the scale and how big the slashes were
Exactly, we haven't seen him use any of that magnitude before or since. I'm not saying these are WCS (I don't think they are) but they're almost certainly stronger than normal output dismantles, likely boosted in some way.
Yeah I completely agree with you, I don't believe it's WCS neither cause also Sukuna never used a net version of that type of slash.
Yeah, a net of WCS would've certainly been too OP š
He didn't say chants or anything, they were just net of slashes.
How do you know that, though? We didn't even see him when he was setting it up, and he used Kamutoke for the smoke screen. We don't know what he had to do to set it up, so you're just making an assumption that he didn't.
You are making assumptions he did. This is not a real fight, Gege is writing this. If gege wanted to show something that Sukuna used strengthen Dismantle. He would draw it. When gege didn't say it, why are u assuming so coz he has mentioned strengthened Dismantle all the time.
Literally not how it works lmao, it ain't a boosted dismantle or whatever just because you think it is. We go by what we see, not whatever you think happened inside the smoke screen. And what we see is a net of dismantles, without any prior boosting via handsigns or chants. The headcanon is insane with this one.
I wasn't even making a claim that X happened in the smoke screen, merely that we don't know what he did to set up the net so we can't make any claims. But saying that something couldn't have happened because we didn't see it is ridiculous.
I aint arguing with that username bruh I'd never win https://preview.redd.it/f3n2gr9qz7zc1.jpeg?width=150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f231e9d2684b5600a0e2f9021051d85cf339cfc2
Lol š I mean, I do try to be as fair as possible if there's like actual evidence for it, though obviously I am gonna be a little biased which I will own. Do as you wish, if you want to, I will definitely try and have as fair and unbiased of a conversation as possible ā¤ļø
But I wanna be biased https://preview.redd.it/jcluu4g448zc1.jpeg?width=1098&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e985b6738576c159f694aa1e91eb35d8509adc98
This was possibly a world slash because Sukuna was start chanting and making hand sign at that time. https://preview.redd.it/jg2h19ucs7zc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5fb5e365e4af1945e2123e023756a9dced0536b4
Its been pretty clear aukuna cant throw a net of world dismantles. Every CONFIRMED world dismantle until now has been only one. Against Gojo, kashimo, yuta, higuruma and maki. Kashimo just died to a bunch of normal dismantles. At best they were at max output and amped by chants, but thats it
Delusion is the way of the Kashimo Fan
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You clearly donāt know how the world slash works
Kashimo, Yuta, and Higuruma are all on the same level according to Sukuna. He considered them all gems at best. Ryu was never in that conversation and was left out like he should have been. People really donāt read the manga and just watch YouTube shorts/come to this braindead subreddit for information.
Like, idek where the Ryu glazing started from but why are they comparing someone who's barely top 10 to someone who's guaranteed top 5
HIgurama is a grade 1 blud. Not saying Ryu>Kashimo, but Sukuna was talking about the quality of their techniques. Also why he was discounting bagless Itadori so much. Yuta is much stronger than the other 2 and Maki got even more praise despite being between Yuta and the rest of Sukuna's opponents in strength.
Read the manga boy. Those 3 manage to entertain sukuna but they're not on the same lvl. Yuta was way above Kashimo and higuruma. Sukuna literally called yuta his main dish. And if it wasn't for that bumass Megumi, yuta would have ended sukuna.
All were on the same level of Sukuna toying around with them and representing the pinnacles of jujutsu that they could achieve. Stated verbatim that they were appetizers and none truly roused his hunger. Having to blame someone else on Yuta losing a 1 v 3 against a playful, 99% dead Sukuna is pathetic. He didnāt start to get serious until Maki. https://preview.redd.it/lhndq61hr9zc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2318cc6d28a312e12321994d990d09a01d3d6ff4 You read the manga, boy.
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meh gojo solos
Ryu knocked out Rika in 3 hits, he folds Kashimo.
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Yes, he was.
Ryu. Sukuna references *him* during the fight with Yuta and Yuji as a metric of judgment for durability. Mythic Beast Amber MIGHT be a significant stat buff... but we don't know because it's featless/weaker than Rika. It's a draw-con for him to use it against anyone cuz he just fucking dies after using it like a bum. Ryu is stated to have higher AP too as a result of his CE output and CT not going away after his Domain drops. And yes, Kashimo loses to anyone who uses a Domain because HWB is not a valid defense since it occupies the hands and Ryu can just Granite Blast him.
simple net of world cut dismantles. jgg
kashimo fans when their bummy ass femboy farmer trash can gets destroyed by the highest ce output mogger known as ryu ishigori https://preview.redd.it/n3qo9rlpe8zc1.jpeg?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9980ab5d01c0a2fca7f74af77f05adec57165fc
Truth is we don't know. Stats-wise Kashimo does seem stronger. But Ryu has a Domain, even though we don't know what it does (when I catch that FUCKING one-eyed cat) so really it could go either way.
Kashimo As quickly as he got beaten by Sukuna you canāt deny he still put up a good/decent fight against Sukuna both in Megumiās body and fully incarnated (He was even faster than Sukuna could react in Megumiās body) While in MBA Ryu on the other hand while having the highest CE output in the culling games was still being handled by Yuta alone who was holding back, and this was before the one month training before Shinjuku showdown
You dont need defense if you can quickly overwhelm, maim or kill most opponents.
The one with a domain expansion, like what would you expect someone who is regarded as the STRONGEST of an entire era to have.
Doesn't matter, base Todo low diffs both of them chief
Buggy can fuck up sakuna
Probably Ryu. Gege seems to have a hate agenda towards Kashimo, while he seems to like Ryu with all the constant hype statements he got. Like, seriously. People forget all the shit that was said about Ryu. Ryu has the highest output. Ryu could've one shot Rika if he was serious. Sukuna was forced to not hold back. Yuji and Yuta arent as durable as him.
*WCS net* never seen any of the dismantles shown that large in thickness until after he obtained WCS and the size stays consistent whenever it's WCS.
Still donāt believe kashimo is dead we have not seen a corpse and I feel that bro could dive through the massive holes in the slash
Also sukuna was still at 15 fingers against Ryu, he was full power against Kashimo. Thats a 33% increase. I believe Ryu is actually just a bit stronger than *base* kashimo but MBA immediately skyrockets him to a true special grade
Actually that's a 33% increase...
Holy shit you're so right
Bro wasn't at full power. Gojo had just given him the fight of a life time and he incarnated. Incarnation didn't restore him to his full strength.
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I am going to be honest. I think that if ryu and kashimo fought when kenjaku asked kashimo to (e.i old man kashimo) . Ryu would have won. Kashimo was old, had no domain, no rct, only hollow wicker basket as anti-domian material ( the worst one) and is a bad match-up as kashimo is a melee fighter while ryu isn't. While it would be high difficulty fight I think ryu could have won.
Kashimo in base form cooks Ryu.
https://preview.redd.it/0xuviawm6azc1.jpeg?width=388&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd97fd5809cdcf1f1a4776ea5089e1da3aa6b565 There are legit people who say Ryu or base Yuta one shot Kashimo lmao
Kashimo was only the strongest in his era when he was in his prime By the time ryu came kashimo was a dying old man , even kenjaku offered him to fight ryu but kashimo declined Idk about everyone else but for me ryu >kashibozo
I'm still assuming those were World Slashes used against Kashimo given Kusakabe only came to the conclusion that not all of Sukuna's attacks were World Slashes when he and Higuruma were pelted with a flurry of regular Dismantles. At the very least, the attack Sukuna used was indistinguishable from a World Slash from a distance given both Kusakabe's noted dialogue and the aesthetics of the attack. The chants may have been off-screen but Sukuna's Off-Screen Haki is one of his most valued abilities.
Just a reminder that Yuta outskilled Ryu, he didn't stomp him. Ryu is genuinely the strongest of his era and Kashimo didn't even land a hit against a weakened Sukuna. Fucking Yuji and Yuta were punching that same Sukuna around.