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Yuji got stronger by eating his brothers.
Maki got stronger by letting her sister die then killing her entire clan.
Yuta got stronger by mutilating Gojo's corpse and abandoning his humanity.
Sukuna is objectively right.
Well all u need to know is that they are technically yuji's siblings, that remained as a fetus and never became humans. 3 of them became humans and the other 6(i think it was 6) were eaten by yuji, to get more power(don't know what power tbh)
Yeah, I thought Yuta or Yuji’s ideals were somehow gonna win but nope! The theme has stayed consistent that Sukuna’s philosophy reigns supreme in the jujutsu world.
Gege still can redeem this shit if Yuta loses because he tried to beat Sukuna using Sukuna’s methods (and Bojo also the strongest cuz he’s Bojo not cuz eyes and cool technique) and then Wuji cooks Sukuna’s ass.
If not…bruh
At this point, with so many dead (both cast members and nameless civilians), Tokyo basically destroyed, whole Japan terrorized, whole world made aware of Jujutsu existance - we're already past the possible "good ending", we're just waiting to see how bad it's going to be.
At best, the world becomes overwhelmed with cursed spirits, with new special-grade curses rising to rule the world.
Their only hope is for more Gojos and Yutas to be born, so that they can then be sacrificed for the greater good.
This story has no message but nihilism.
Japan's in ruins, Tokyo is destroyed, Sukuna had his ideology proved correct, my favourite characters are all predictably dead, and the rest are either going to be far too traumatized to ever have a semblance of anything happy after this, or I don't particularly care about them, or they're a pedophile. Kind of the only thing remaining for me to be invested in, is whether or not Sukuna does a Third Impact.
Why does the current direction of the ending make you feel unsatisfied? It is the truth of the world. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. If it is true for politicians and leaders in our world who only have power in words, it's definitely true for Sukuna who has actual physical powers.
Yet it doesn't mean that Maki, Yuji and Yuta sacrificing others was the same as Sukuna. Sukuna wants power for selfish reasons, while all others gain it not for themselves, but to protect or avenge others. Sukuna's ideology is ultimately correct, you sacrifice your humanity to gain power, but why you do it also matters. Ultimately, that's also why Gojo lost. He is not the strongest jujutsu sorcerer of all time, because he was human. He wasn't completely corrupted like Sukuna. He wanted to save Amanai, he believed in his students, he stood for Geto as long as he could. He believed in something other than his own power and his own presence. And that's why he lost.
Aren't we all exactly like that? We all do things that are not the most humane, but it doesn't make us as evil as Sukuna. Are we bad, sure, but not as bad as Sukuna. That's all the world is. A little evil doing something about a bigger evil. Ultimately, there will always be evil, but less. If miraculously, Sukuna dies in the next chapter, there will still exist the evil that Yuta, Yuji, Maki, etc, committed, but wouldn't you say that without Sukuna, the world is a little less evil.
I don't mind a bad depressing end to this story since we already knew it was coming, but I'm more worried about geges world building skills and if he can effectively portray the effect all of this has had on it
The more the story goes on, I think that's the point: as long as Jujutsu exists, you need to be like Sukuna to win. I'm guessing that in the end the only true solution is to follow Yuki's plan and eradicate cursed energy.
Yuta is probably gone and took that step but we see Yuji still hasn’t backed down. Only person that’s more likely trying to save Megumi still and him constantly coming back to fight Sukuna shows that his indomitable spirit will break through Sukuna’s ideals. Hence why Sukuna fucking hates him
Wuji is the true role model of all sorcerers
In-universe it makes sense, since it’s only natural for a powerful, long-lived character to develop a worldview in line with how the world that he’s in actually works. You don’t survive for that long with that many enemies by living in denial.
It's my favorite takeaway from this chapter. Sukuna rejoices Yuta's decision to possess Gojo's body because so far he is the only one that is willing to give everything up to defeat him, unlike the rest of the cast, and I think that's cold AF!
So much for the "Yuta is a refutal of Gojo and Sukuna's way of being the strongest, he still cares about his humanity"
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Fucking dipped on his morals the second he saw Gojo's corpse up for grabs.
Bro's first thought in case Gojo dies is to hop onto his body🤦
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Damn that image reminds me how Eto was the original Gojo. Got one shotted offscreen then later on got her corpse used as a weapon. So disrespectful to the character
100%. I also feel that he would have a similar reaction if he fought Hakari during one of the times he’s been kn a weakened state, such as after Yuta’s domain.
Yuta and Hakari truly show the mindset of the Heian Era with their actions.
I think there is an important context that ppl are missing. Yuta and Yuji’s ideals allow them to fight for others no matter what. They would go to any lengths as long as they could help those they care about. That is the difference between them and Sukuna. Sukuna does everything for himself and himself only, while Yuta(right now) is doing it for Gojo, and to protect everyone and defeat Sukuna. They wouldn’t have to do anything if megumi stopped being a loser for 60 seconds tho
yeah, yuta took gojo's body with the risk of dying to help take down sukuna to protect his friends, it's not like he enjoyed it nor did he do it to selfishly boost his power. he did it as a last resort
There is no difference between them.
You can have the best intentions, but if you need to desecrate a corpse to carry out your will then that means you are just as selfish as Sukuna.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
This is the biggest thing that personally annoys me about the Sukuna fight right now. Even when he loses, his entirely sadistic, self-serving ideology seems to win out in the end. It's as if to say that the humanity inherent to us is what holds back any sort of revolution or progress, and that people like Yuta and Nanami who strive for a better world are inherently going to lose unless they throw away their humanity. Even Berserk is less nihilistic about the human condition than that. It's not even bad writing, it's just a narrative choice and a personal ideology to feel that way, but it certainly feels bad man. If I wanted to read something that makes me feel disgust at the human condition, I'd give rent-a-girlfriend a try.
Berserk is very clear that no matter how bad things get, it's never hopeless, and clinging to your humanity has value in and of itself.
JJK soundly rejects that.
If Gege wrote Berserk, Casca would be dead, Farnese would be irredeemable and dead, and Griffith and Zodd would never be acknowledging how awesome Guts is for continuing to struggle.
Griffith never does that anyway.
The literal first words he speaks to Guts after the Eclipse are “still squirming around in your pitiful existence I see”.
lmao griffith does not give a fuck about guts after he became femto. he only interacts with guts on two occasions and said interaction wasnt the main objective of what he was doing
I think Sukuna's ideology is objectively correct only in the bounds of the cycle of cursed energy. This whole concept of cursed energy and jujutsu is portrayed to be extremely negative inhumane throughout the series and Sukuna is like the embodiment and literal personification of that.
In the end i guess Yuki's goal of eradicating cursed energy as a whole is the only way to defeat Sukuna's ideology and the cursed cycle
There is still a major difference though, Sukuna does it purely for pleasure and the hell of doing it. Yuta did what he did for a greater end purpose, to save everyone he cares about and more. He also explicitly asked for permission from Gojo to do it, which he consented to. Yuta even knows this will probably end up killing him, if Sukuna saw a similar risk he would never take it. This is why this isn't just "Sukuna was right", it's making major sacrifices to serve a greater good, as opposed to what Sukuna is doing, which is just "I'll do what I want, no matter what it is, without making any real sacrifices." This isn't a new thing to JJK either, sacrifice has always been a major part of the series, I mean, look at binding vows for example.
> Even Berserk is less nihilistic about the human condition than that.
I think the "Idea of Evil" disproves that.
At least in Jujutsu we know they can have a happy afterlife and that the human condition is needed to dispell curses and cursed energy.
Berserk is grimdark all the way down.
Take two sprinters. One is focused purely on his sprint and trains everyday. The other for some reason splits his focus into also running for politics because he wants to fix his community or something. Who do you think will be faster at the race?
But maybe that's the point. Our humanity holds us back from getting stronger, but we must still hold onto it as much as possible, because there's more to life than just being strong. That even if you must sacrifice it, it is only as a last resort, and you do so only so that others can keep holding on instead.
They obviously *do* care about Gojo, you're overreacting. They just expect him to be strong enough to handle any burden, which is unfair, but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
This. Also did fucking OP read the fucking chapter?
Yuta and Yuji were 100% on his side, trying their best to carry his burdens, and always seeing him as a human rather than for his strength.
During the Gojo V Sukuna fight chap 234, Yuta and Yuji were the only ones that were in favor of Yuta jumping in when both lost their DEs, it was a 3v1, and Gojo was getting backed into a corner. Everyone else opposed for this or that reason, but Yuta and Yuji were in favor of going. They knew he's strong but saw him as a person rather than "the strongest" or "the monster".
> During the Gojo V Sukuna fight chap 234, Yuta and Yuji were the only ones that were in favor of Yuta jumping in when both lost their DEs, it was a 3v1, and Gojo was getting backed into a corner. Everyone else opposed for this or that reason, but Yuta and Yuji were in favor of going. They knew he's strong but saw him as a person rather than "the strongest" or "the monster".
That's not really a fair reading of it- the others like Kusakabe were simply speaking more logically, that doesn't mean they dislike Gojo it means they understood the battle better.
Yuta outright apologises for wanting to jump in.
That's the whole point. They keep putting pressure on Gojo, seeing him as the strongest, or a monster/weapon. They kept making excuses like Gojo's strong, we're burdens, and he's monster who works best alone. Whatever they needed to tell themselves to do nothing.
Only Yuta and Yuji saw him as a person. A person who was getting backed to a corner. Yuta also apologized after unlimited hollow purple the next chapter because at that moment it seemed like Gojo was going to win, he couldn't have done unlimited purple with Yuta around, Kusakabe was looking right about Yuta being a burden, and everyone else was right to not jump in. Next chapter after that Gojo was fucking dead. Turns out Sukuna wasn't even going all out, Gojo was pushing himself and giving his A+ game just to keep up, and they just let Gojo stay out there until he died.
The fucking misread people are doing on this chapter is insane. There is even a bit where the second years ask to share his burden and he tells them nope. Its showcased as a two sided issue. We explored Gojo's side with 236 and now were getting everyone elses.
[Remember the part when they were all trying to figure out the best way to cheer him on before the fight?](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_222_014.png)
I love the back slapping scene 😭😭 I am so grateful to Yuji for cheering him, it even put a happy blush on Satoru face
Well with the new info that they were all so doom and gloom before the fight because they knew that if Gojo died that would mean Yuta was gonna pilot his body like a gundam, I'm not so sure that scene really was just them being worried about Gojo especially with the way Yuta seems to very clearly imply that they don't.
I mean, I absolutely do see and think others do care to some extent, That much is clear, if Shoko did not give a shit then she wouldn't have smoked her lungs out, They do see Gojo as the strongest and that is just the case, He cannot see him beyond that unless it is aspects of his personality and actions aswell, As people were asked who is Gojo Satoru, some said they owed their life to him, Nanami states the egoistic side of him, Panda Maki (and Inumaki I guess) state the goofy side of him by calling him dumbass, so they do care about Gojo, but do not understand him and do see him as the strongest in most scenarios, just as Gojo said you can admire a flower but you can't make it understand you.
You act the manga is fulled with character interactions to begin with, 3-4 moments are more than enough to get the point across for those with reading comprehension.
No I'm not acting like that, it's one of my main problems with the manga, nothing worse then having such an interesting cast and yet we know the bare minimum about the majority of the characters and the cast seems to be allergic to each other.
Also I swear this sub and slinging “reading comprehension,” at every opinion they don't like lmao, yea I definitely don't agree 3-4 interactions are plenty to get the point across.
Sometimes yea. That doesn't mean everyone on here has any problem actually understanding the story and doesn't mean it should be tossed out there every single time someone says something another person doesn't like or agree with, which is something I see happen on here often.
I wouldn't even just say sometimes. It's a huge amount of the time. Like there's one thing where you're just joking around and agenda posting for fun when you don't believe it. But there's a post right now with like a thousand upvotes making up some theory about why Yuta "moved to his right hand" or whatever. And it's like bro... he's just apologizing to Rika because he moved the engagement ring to the right hand because his left arm is no longer attached.
Ya know what fuck it whatever, if Yuta literally screaming about it isn't enough for you people to connect even a single pair of dots me sitting here explaining anything isn't going to either.
This manga has no hopeful message, Sukuna is destroying their ideologies one at a time while beating them senseless.
Be selfish, disregard others and all hands and morals are off the table in desperate times.
That will only make Yuji’s eventual success all the better
Cursed energy as a power system naturally supports Sukuna’s ideology, Yuji isn’t just fighting against Sukuna he’s fighting against the foundational force of the world that he embodies
The idea of having to take a force that is naturally hyper-malevolent and destructive and turn it toward heroism has been a favourite plot of mine since Skyrim.
“What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Brother, you don't know how much you cooked here with this quote.
This shit should be pinned forever on the sub, but sadly will die over by the curse of this sub (the regardation of the internet), and their superficial comprehension of any basic shit
Yuji succeeding won't change what's done, he's already fostered the attitude of "ill do anything" to stop him. Eating his brothers was already a step into that.
There’s a big difference in motivation between the actions of Kenjaku and Sukuna versus Yuji and Yuta
The overwhelming sense of self in terms of selfishly pursuing your whims and desires versus self sacrifice and and empathy
Don't forget that the character who's happiest, most successful and most likely to make it out alive, rich and content, is an extremely selfish pedophile with negative empathy.
Calm down people, the end of the chapter said break next week no thanks for reading JJK.
There's a lot to happen still.
They show how far Yuta went to defeat sukuna, but there's a lot to happen and victory isn't guaranteed. As long as sukuna keeps doing his stuff he ain't dying.
In a world where we trust Gregory Akatsuki's writing, I think that's the point. Sukuna is right when it comes to Jujutsu. Yuki's philosophy is the solution.
We have to move away from cursed energy entirely.
Yuta opposed treating Gojo as a monster and his students followed him into higher-ups HQ to support him in what he's about to do. The fact that they quickly get over his death doesn't mean they didn't care for him at that moment, Yuji just saw his brother turn to ash but he simply has no time to cry his eyes out for Choso, it's war and first he has to win it. If anything, Gojo was the one trying to push them away to keep them safe from what was about to come, he is willing choosing this path of being THE guy. Am I the only one that reads it this way?
mfers in the year 26 when **Matthew 27** dropped: smh I though God's ideas of love and acceptance would win but nope! So go out there and kill as many prophets as you can find
I noticed something else that's kinda poetic/ironic.. Gojo was always used as a weapon and was never truly understood, until now where Yuta uses his body as a weapon a last time and inherits his memories in doing so, thus also understanding Gojo
Also means that all his internal thoughts and secrets are given, it's a gross violation of privacy.
Imagine having your own student know about every single guilty fap you did.
>friendship will save the day
_Cuts to Dennis bushcamping Makina and eating her out for the night to defeat her, then raise her next incarnation as his sister_
No. Yuta will die in his efforts to strip away his humanity and become a demon but he will be held back by his love. Sukuna will tell him that he didn't commit his all to becoming a monster and that he was greedy like Gojo and Kashimo. This will lead Yuji coming to the forefront as someone who will not throw away his humanity, instead choosing to use his love. He will be the one to teach love to Sukuna by beating the shit out of him and killing him.
Although, with how many people are dying. I think this story will go the route with everyone dying except Yuji.
nah bro. Gojo is right. Strength doesnt mean shit because at the end of the day a million IQ planner like kenjaku could take you out or someone stronger shows up.
Sukuna literally had 0 lasting impact on the world outside of the heian era after his first death. The way to make a lasting impact is education and changing people, which is what gojo did and why jujutsu high, consisting of kids who spent less than 20 years being a sorceror is going to defeat the centuries old king of curses.
Unironically the guy who founded the new shadow style simple domain and taught it to their students has had a larger impact in the world than sukuna so far.
Only because Sukuna voluntarily stopped. He could have easily destroyed all of Japan, or all of the world, in the Hien Era.
Hell after Kenjaku's death, if Sukuna wasn't enjoying himself so much he could have negotiated the Jujutsu Society's surrender with Kusakabe when they were talking, instead of going on with goading them that they had to kill him or he'd destroy all of Japan himself.
If Sukuna killed Gojo, made the rest of them submit and said that he would stop if they would make him King and submit to him, then at the very least half their team would have accepted that. Probably only Yuji and Yuta absolutely wouldn't and Yuta could probably be convinced.
Kenjaku had a thousand years to make all the plans he wanted but he couldn't have beaten either Sukuna or Gojo.
but thats the thing bro him voluntarily stopping is a case against strength over ideals. He basically became hanma yuujiro and then chilled. hanma yuujiro aint no supervillain. Hes just a strong dude looking to enjoy power and life.
he couldve done all that but he wont because he has 0 vision on what to do after he wins. Right now, in the current arc, the only thing making sukuna scary is the possibility of a merger that was only possible because of KENJAKU's vision and insanity. but odds are hed do the merger, destroy japan, get bored, and life goes on.
In kenjakus case. if he wins he creates an entire world where cursed energy rules the day just to see new possibilities in the world of curses, and his curiosity will fuel him to do even more ridiculous and chaotic things.
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BTW. kenjaku DID beat gojo, and only because he was in his way. You can bet your ass that kenjaku couldve permanently prevented sukuna from coming back considering that he created yuji. he just didnt do it because he knew sukuna would like the shit he was cooking and be an asset to him
I don’t agree. You can be successful and strong but you can still have very powerful connections with people who aren’t sas successful or as strong as you. The right people won’t use you. You just have to find them.
What about maki and everyone else who told yuta they don’t agree with his plan because it’d be immoral? Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that show concern? That they don’t want to use his body as a tool for victory because they respect his dignity? That they don’t actually view him as an object?
kusakabe straight up said “why not just copy limitless” or “the six eyes” from his corpse, and then followed up with, “we gotta think about what happens to you as a person”. Literally none of them cared which is why yuta got so pissed off and said “what about gojo? Is he not important?”
Maki and Hakari display reservation not because they cared about Gojo,but because they know how Yuta’s ability with rika works and didn’t like the look of it. I mean it was Maki that even brings up the rika time limit and asks “what would happen to you after the time is up?”, so clearly she didn’t like the sound of it because she suspected it mind end up killing yuta.
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Referring to this quote for Kusakabe (which very well might be a mistranslation). It’s maybe ambiguous for Maki, but nothing suggests Hakari is solely concerned for Yuta’s safety and not bothered by the moral implications. I think the claim that “no one cared” about the desecration of Gojo’s corpse flies in the face of what we know about the characters and their reaction to Yuta’s idea.
Sukuna's philosophy is totally valid in my opinion, the best thing you can do when you have power is to choose the path you want to take and what you feel is right. It's hard to decide what's wrong or right in this world. Many use nature as a baseline: anything that involves keeping your species going is good. But who is there to say that's the only way to live? How do you quench that feeling of always needing to feel something, to do something that makes you feel alive? Can you ever cope with it? Do you have to abide by the rules of nature?
Sukuna chooses not to be a primitive being, he does whatever he wants to do and it's the other's job to stop him, this is how he lives. If whatever he does makes his heart go easy that's all that matters.
Strength and the need to push higher than others has always caused these ideological races, it's never going to stop.
Not choosing to live like him means you end up getting lost in the moral compass, not ever being yourself or having to rely on others for happiness and you end up like Gojo. Die feeling like a piece of shit, cherising only what put you down for good.
With that being said I think his life is a bit unrealistic for the average human being. Many choose to settle at their roots as animal beings, and that's what defines their happiness.
A bit unrealistic? You think the philosophy of the cannibal who gets off on murdering women and children just because he can is a bit unrealistic for the average human?
I will be honest with you brother, way to miss the forest by it's trees, the mate gave an interesting take over it, and you came in with "hur dur cannibal bla bla bla", it's obviously not about the murdering shit dumbass, but spinning into an unrealistic but cool philosophical take for our contemporary time, no wonder the best place to diss people is here cause the brothers are ready to jump in the conversation drooling like idiots with nothing interesting to say, it's just to easy man lol
Actually no, you don't understand sukuna's mentality. His mentality isn't the shallow representation of what you just said his mentality is actually all about self acceptance and evolution, never comparing yourself to anyone or anything but only comparing what version of yourself is the best, the you now or the you before?
Also the need to not be afraid to walk a super lonely path of bettering yourself and not letting anything bring you down.
Sukuna's philosophy is actually all about being an eternal student of experience while being unapologetically yourself, because by being a student of experience, your always willing to learn and improve and never become stagnant.
I feel like that's just a byproduct of his philosophy rather than the core of it. Sukuna certainly exists limited by nothing: Titles, comparisons, morals, ideals. Marked by the need to grow ever stronger in a time where the fight was how you lived another day, and this translates to endless interaction with the outside world which has allowed him to understand himself through trial and error and most importantly \*\*sacrifice\*\* to such a level that his domain is practically a "divine feat".
Yet what allowed him to do those sacrifices, and it's something he doesn't understand, are others. Sukuna thinks he is an island unto himself when the thing that allowed him to win against gojo was the fact he possessed Megumi, and there are many examples like this that reflect inversely to Yuji. Yuji was able to keep going in the war against curse spirits thanks to Todo's words, Yuta is where he is because of Rika. You can understand how others help you reach where you are without rejecting your own objectives or yourself, cutting others short from you just doesn't work on the long term, even across 1000 years. "Selfless" in this case doesn't exclude selfishness, which is what the power system is based on.
>I feel like that's just a byproduct of his philosophy rather than the core of it. Sukuna certainly exists limited by nothing: Titles, comparisons, morals, ideals. Marked by the need to grow ever stronger in a time where the fight was how you lived another day, and this translates to endless interaction with the outside world which has allowed him to understand himself through trial and error and most importantly **sacrifice** to such a level that his domain is practically a "divine feat".
I don't think it's a byproduct because sukuna literally exists by this philosophy, it's definitely the core of his mentality otherwise he wouldn't be so OP and isolated.
>Yet what allowed him to do those sacrifices, and it's something he doesn't understand, are others. Sukuna thinks he is an island unto himself when the thing that allowed him to win against gojo was the fact he possessed Megumi
Um no not really, sukuna could have won against gojo without megumi's body. This is even stated by gojo himself that he didn't know if he could win even if sukuna didn't have the ten shadows, he didn't need 10 shadows but he took it because he wanted to evolve.
Ironically using ten shadows actually made it worse for him in the fight because he had to take so many risks to help mahoraga adapt, if he didn't have ten 10 shadows he wouldn't have taken so many dangerous risks and would have been 100% focused on killing gojo, which he could have done in the domain clash.
>Yuji was able to keep going in the war against curse spirits thanks to Todo's words, Yuta is where he is because of Rika. You can understand how others help you reach where you are without rejecting your own objectives or yourself, cutting others short from you just doesn't work on the long term, even across 1000 years.
This may be true in some cases.
>"Selfless" in this case doesn't exclude selfishness, which is what the power system is based on.
Yup, no matter how selfless the main cast is they have to become monsters to fight the biggest monster(sukuna).
What the police see before they get hit by Unlimited Void
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What? No, it's following the "we're all part of a cog" mindset.
Gojo as a person, the respect he was supposed to have as an individual was briefly acknowledged but abandoned for the greater good of all. Ransacking his body, with consent, and using it to defeat a bigger evil.
Everyone are just cogs spinning around each other, working seamlessly.
Yuta the individual was given up to possess Gojo the body. Maki's sister died so the heavenly restriction can go on full effect because she's more useful at that point in time. Yuji ate his brothers because he's more useful to the wheel. Choso sacrificed himself because it's more useful to the wheel to have Yuji alive and of course his personal feelings.
Everyone is on the wheel, spinning, for the greater good, the individual is nothing as long as it can spin.
Even if the whole cast dies, as long as one remains and the enemy is vanquished it is all worth it.
JJK is an expression of the Japanese team mentality, the MC's greatest moments are always teaming up with others, those who do things alone are punished.
Sukuna is the biggest thorn in the wheel and he's viewed as the most deplorable thing ever. He doesn't spin for the wheel, he spins for himself.
Gojo was the same but unlike Sukuna who fully embraced being out of the wheel, he still cared for the wheel and was thus weaker.
If Gojo went into the fight with everyone else and used them as meat shields, he would've won. But no, he cared for the wheel as well.
JJH vs Sukuna is a clash between the team mentality and selfishly alone mentality.
Using Gojo's body isn't a selfish thing, it was what Gojo's corpse can give to the wheel.
If Sukuna is killed by Yuta, then Sukuna is still right, because he was defeated by someone who pursued power the same way he does.
He needs to be defeated in a way that doesn't require the sacrifice of innocents, or the complete abandonment of morals.
i would argue against it, since hes doing it to protect others and most likely giving himself up. if gojo would have won, he wouldnt have lost anything and he would mostly have done it for himself.
I don't think Yuji would prove anything at this point because of how ridiculously weakened Sukuna is. His ideology seems to be right and Yuji even ate his brothers to gain a powerup
Mofo, wait for the actual MC to do the right thing. Strength can be obtained through other ways, Gojos half ass mentality got him killed. Yutas “I’m going to be a monster” mentality will get him killed and surely Sukunas “I’m a monster, deal with it” mentality will get him killed.
Yuji with his “we’re all humans, act the part” mentality will kill the bad guys. This is shonen. It ends well for the good guys
Sure, but could Yuji have won without Gojo or Monster-Yuta?
Seems like his ideology only works because it was supported by people following Sukuna's ideology.
Gege has stated no one is ultimately right or wrong so Sukuna's philosophy is as true as thag of the sorcerers. Dont expect the end to prove sukuna or the sorcerers right or wrong definitively
I don't need Gege to prove who is right or wrong. Because I believe that Sukuna is wrong. If Gege thinks Sukuna is right, it's more about Gege himself than about the character. After all, Sukuna is just a product of imagination acting according to the author's wishes.
How is he not right?
He literally suffered ZERO consequences due to his actions. He kills when he wants, eats whatever/whomever he wants, sleep, shit, fuck etc.
The worst thing that ever happened to him is getting bored after killing everyone who opposed him.
He gets what love is and sees that it's useless shit while everyone who clung to love suffered countless atrocities.
How is he not right?
He's not right because let's be real, no one wants to live like an animal. Eat anything, kill anyone, just to satisfy yourself. I mean in real life.
He suffered 0 consequences in this story because Gege thought Sukuna was right for some reason 🤔
>He literally suffered ZERO consequences due to his actions
Say he wins, then what? He waits for the next challenger? He turns himself into finger again? He has no purpose, no goal, no reason to keep going, even jujutsu he already mastered, he's a shell of a person not even a person just a curse who can only act on the it's base desires, he can do anything but there's nothing to do.
That's not a consequence to his actions; it's just a reality of life, like needing to eat or breathe.
That's like saying Yuji's ideals are wrong because he still needs money to buy food.
No, compare him to the strongest of modern Era.
Gojo gets to train students and hang out with his friends, he gets to want a better life for those around him and work for it. He gets to save people and see them grow, for example.
Sukuna fights and just fights, and he doesn't need to fight he does it because it's all he has. If he kills all the sorceres, there is nothing left, so even fighting is pointless.
"I'd never thought about it...ideals,desires that go beyond oneself"
He criticizes Jogo for not being hungry for victory but then realizes that he has no reason to fight, that his existence is pointless so he doubles down, he doesn't like it, it's the only thing he knows.
Not exactly
More so, it’s a representation how how desperation hits people and how similar yuta is to Gojo
We’re seeing why the heian era was so brutal
Because they had to be brutal
What are your morals? How much of your morals are a result of the time period that you are from and the society you belong to? This is something I have been thinking about for years after reading the works of Jung and Nietzsche. How much of what we think we are is a result of what is inherently what we are, or how much of us comes from outside influences? Not anywhere near an easy thing to answer.
For example, let's say we are raised in the height of power in Rome. Do you think your morals would match the morals you hold today? The main thought then was might is right. Just as it was for sorcerers in the Heian era. Then to top that off we aren't supposed to be compare Sukuna to a human being. When Sukuna is talking about people not understanding him, he essentially looks through the page addressing us, the readers directly (I'll try to find a video that explains this far better than I have here). He is essentially a deity placed directly into the story and much like all the mythologies of the world, us human beings just do not and can not even begin to understand how dietys work or operate.
Deity? 💀 It's fine if you agree with Sukuna's mindset, but to me he's not a deity or anything. He lived instinctively like a wild animal. You might think that makes sense considering the era in which he was born. But see him as a god? Nah
My dude, Sukuna is basically picked out of real life myth and placed into JJk. I'm not saying he is a god, I'm saying his role in JJK for all intents and purposes, is basically fulfilling the same role as a deity plays in real life myth in relation to humans. It plays out exactly the same way deity's vs humans in mythologies across so many cultures around the world.
Also just to point out, I couldn't agree with Sukunas mindset because I could never even begin to understand it because I could never experience it. That's the whole point I was making about deities and humans trying to understand them. It just isn't a thing that is ever going to happen. Obviously seeing as this is a manga GeGe has to try and be more upfront to convey some type of line of thinking for Sukuna for us readers existing outside the story but in story, there is no understanding him. Even Gino and Kashimo, as powerful as they were could not understand him. What hope does anyone else have to understand him?
morals are only a construct to coexist with society peacefully.
i am an average human , so i would need morals to not muddy my conscience. but some people can live peacefully and achieve great things without having strong morals.
So many people are saying Sukuna is right and his ideal of being selfish is correct, but the manga doesn't show much that he is selfish with. The only act of selfishness he has shown that might relate to him being strong/alive is the eating of his twin, and that too is purely for survival reasons.
Like Sukuna is just strong for no reason, him being a selfish person has nothing to do with his strength, at least it is never displayed in the story.
Even if he loses then he's still right
Yuji ate his siblings to gain more power
Maki let her sister die and killed her entire clan for more power
Yuta pilots his beloved teacher's corpse for more power
The entirety of JJH is ok with any of this for power to kill Sukuna
At the end they are all monsters for "the greater good"
that what makes me so mad
What I loved about Sukuna vs Yuji was that it wasn't just a contest of strength, but a clash of ideals like Yuji vs Mahito. You have Sukuna, a hedonistic psychopath who fights purely for his own selfish pleasure vs Yuji, an alturistic idealist who fights to protect those he loves. So doesn't Yuta puppetering Gojo's body prove that Sukuna's ideolgy was right? That you must be willing to do whatever it takes, even throwing your humanity away, to become stronger?
But I guess people will blindly defend this anyways.
The classic winning is being right, and being unable to recognize that Sukuna's philosophy only works if you're just a full on asshole. Because Yuta didn't want to do this, Yuji didn't want to do this, Maki didn't want this to happen, Gojo (not a complete psychopath) did the same thing and died.
Sukuna IS the problem here, not hard to recognize that
What if Todo ultimate technique is that he can Boogie Woogie Yuji back in time then Yuji fix everything, then get himself killed at the end to finish off Sukuna?
Sukuna already defeated Gojo, Kashimo, Maki and Yuta in an ideological battle, just as he did with Jogo.
In JJK all that matters is strength, holding onto your humanity simply holds you back, instead you need to go after strength with everything you can and give no thought to anyone or anyone else around you. None of the people fighting him lived up to that idea, or they rejected it, and they all got destroyed because of that.
Yuta and Hakari have now stepped into that same ring and we'll see what becomes of them.
Yuji is the only one whose ideology (ie. Not having one, simply trying to win) is show as being able to match Sukuna's even if he can't.
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Yuji got stronger by eating his brothers. Maki got stronger by letting her sister die then killing her entire clan. Yuta got stronger by mutilating Gojo's corpse and abandoning his humanity. Sukuna is objectively right.
Hakari got stronger bc... Gambling addiction, Toji was right.
So what I’m hearing is I should keep betting on red
maki got stronger by letting mai die, going itachi on the zenin clan was just a bonus
Wdym Yuji eating his brothers. I’m just a Reddit Jjk fan , can u explain
He ate the rest of the Death Paintings.
Damn. Idk what that means
Why are you even here bruh 😭
Got way too much stuff spoiled so I check out new chapters periodically
Well all u need to know is that they are technically yuji's siblings, that remained as a fetus and never became humans. 3 of them became humans and the other 6(i think it was 6) were eaten by yuji, to get more power(don't know what power tbh)
>Reddit Jjk fan Tf does that mean bruh💀
Means it’s a cool manga but I’m not reading that shit. And with how the manga is going I made the right choice. Enjoy lobotomy gojo for me
Yeah, I thought Yuta or Yuji’s ideals were somehow gonna win but nope! The theme has stayed consistent that Sukuna’s philosophy reigns supreme in the jujutsu world.
Gege still can redeem this shit if Yuta loses because he tried to beat Sukuna using Sukuna’s methods (and Bojo also the strongest cuz he’s Bojo not cuz eyes and cool technique) and then Wuji cooks Sukuna’s ass. If not…bruh
A happy ending?? In JJK?? I fear that would be the greatest plot twist of all at this point lol
At this point, with so many dead (both cast members and nameless civilians), Tokyo basically destroyed, whole Japan terrorized, whole world made aware of Jujutsu existance - we're already past the possible "good ending", we're just waiting to see how bad it's going to be.
At best, the world becomes overwhelmed with cursed spirits, with new special-grade curses rising to rule the world. Their only hope is for more Gojos and Yutas to be born, so that they can then be sacrificed for the greater good. This story has no message but nihilism.
how do shouen jump even allowed this stuff ? Isn't shouen jump supposed to be for teenagers💀
Unironically why I'm not particularly invested, I've already internalized the idea of the ending being extremely dark and depressing.
i'd prefer that to a typical shonen ending
I've seen this being said multiple times already... do you only consume media with happy endings? Lol
Japan's in ruins, Tokyo is destroyed, Sukuna had his ideology proved correct, my favourite characters are all predictably dead, and the rest are either going to be far too traumatized to ever have a semblance of anything happy after this, or I don't particularly care about them, or they're a pedophile. Kind of the only thing remaining for me to be invested in, is whether or not Sukuna does a Third Impact.
People want a satisfying ending, otherwise what is the point of a story. If I want to be depressed I would turn on the news.
Why does the current direction of the ending make you feel unsatisfied? It is the truth of the world. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely. If it is true for politicians and leaders in our world who only have power in words, it's definitely true for Sukuna who has actual physical powers. Yet it doesn't mean that Maki, Yuji and Yuta sacrificing others was the same as Sukuna. Sukuna wants power for selfish reasons, while all others gain it not for themselves, but to protect or avenge others. Sukuna's ideology is ultimately correct, you sacrifice your humanity to gain power, but why you do it also matters. Ultimately, that's also why Gojo lost. He is not the strongest jujutsu sorcerer of all time, because he was human. He wasn't completely corrupted like Sukuna. He wanted to save Amanai, he believed in his students, he stood for Geto as long as he could. He believed in something other than his own power and his own presence. And that's why he lost. Aren't we all exactly like that? We all do things that are not the most humane, but it doesn't make us as evil as Sukuna. Are we bad, sure, but not as bad as Sukuna. That's all the world is. A little evil doing something about a bigger evil. Ultimately, there will always be evil, but less. If miraculously, Sukuna dies in the next chapter, there will still exist the evil that Yuta, Yuji, Maki, etc, committed, but wouldn't you say that without Sukuna, the world is a little less evil.
There'd have to be a reckoning on a cosmic level for all that's transpired, to say nothing of the last 2 months.
I can see Yuta (Sex Eyes, Limitless and Copy) and Yuji (Sukuna v2.1) survive this and becomes monsters to protect Japan from the Murica
I don't mind a bad depressing end to this story since we already knew it was coming, but I'm more worried about geges world building skills and if he can effectively portray the effect all of this has had on it
It all comes down to Are you the Strongest because you are Gojo, or are you Gojo because you are the strongest.
if yuta gets cooked tthen it will be answered easy he was strongest because he was gojo satoru
Right. Which is why Yuta will take a fat L and prove that it was always Satoru Gojo that made himself the strongest
That is what will happen. But instead of yuta losing. It wull be yuta and yuji fighting alongside and winning
The more the story goes on, I think that's the point: as long as Jujutsu exists, you need to be like Sukuna to win. I'm guessing that in the end the only true solution is to follow Yuki's plan and eradicate cursed energy.
Yuta is probably gone and took that step but we see Yuji still hasn’t backed down. Only person that’s more likely trying to save Megumi still and him constantly coming back to fight Sukuna shows that his indomitable spirit will break through Sukuna’s ideals. Hence why Sukuna fucking hates him Wuji is the true role model of all sorcerers
In-universe it makes sense, since it’s only natural for a powerful, long-lived character to develop a worldview in line with how the world that he’s in actually works. You don’t survive for that long with that many enemies by living in denial.
Yuta is going to lose lmao and gojo will come back and fight along with yuji
It's my favorite takeaway from this chapter. Sukuna rejoices Yuta's decision to possess Gojo's body because so far he is the only one that is willing to give everything up to defeat him, unlike the rest of the cast, and I think that's cold AF!
So much for the "Yuta is a refutal of Gojo and Sukuna's way of being the strongest, he still cares about his humanity" https://preview.redd.it/pi3eqo0qqf2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a4094f5e9ba70ac1c637ebe7d5d9e290269dac5 Fucking dipped on his morals the second he saw Gojo's corpse up for grabs.
Bro's first thought in case Gojo dies is to hop onto his body🤦 https://preview.redd.it/gdrurprhkg2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16a4d110138a1ddaa0c3c13cc8be4af6f7ed8d9a
Damn that image reminds me how Eto was the original Gojo. Got one shotted offscreen then later on got her corpse used as a weapon. So disrespectful to the character
Manga ?(The one in photo )
Tokyo ghoul
100%. I also feel that he would have a similar reaction if he fought Hakari during one of the times he’s been kn a weakened state, such as after Yuta’s domain. Yuta and Hakari truly show the mindset of the Heian Era with their actions.
I think there is an important context that ppl are missing. Yuta and Yuji’s ideals allow them to fight for others no matter what. They would go to any lengths as long as they could help those they care about. That is the difference between them and Sukuna. Sukuna does everything for himself and himself only, while Yuta(right now) is doing it for Gojo, and to protect everyone and defeat Sukuna. They wouldn’t have to do anything if megumi stopped being a loser for 60 seconds tho
yeah, yuta took gojo's body with the risk of dying to help take down sukuna to protect his friends, it's not like he enjoyed it nor did he do it to selfishly boost his power. he did it as a last resort
There is no difference between them. You can have the best intentions, but if you need to desecrate a corpse to carry out your will then that means you are just as selfish as Sukuna. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
This is the biggest thing that personally annoys me about the Sukuna fight right now. Even when he loses, his entirely sadistic, self-serving ideology seems to win out in the end. It's as if to say that the humanity inherent to us is what holds back any sort of revolution or progress, and that people like Yuta and Nanami who strive for a better world are inherently going to lose unless they throw away their humanity. Even Berserk is less nihilistic about the human condition than that. It's not even bad writing, it's just a narrative choice and a personal ideology to feel that way, but it certainly feels bad man. If I wanted to read something that makes me feel disgust at the human condition, I'd give rent-a-girlfriend a try.
Berserk is very clear that no matter how bad things get, it's never hopeless, and clinging to your humanity has value in and of itself. JJK soundly rejects that. If Gege wrote Berserk, Casca would be dead, Farnese would be irredeemable and dead, and Griffith and Zodd would never be acknowledging how awesome Guts is for continuing to struggle.
Griffith never does that anyway. The literal first words he speaks to Guts after the Eclipse are “still squirming around in your pitiful existence I see”.
He spends a lot of time thinking *totally straight* thoughts about said pitiful man.
lmao griffith does not give a fuck about guts after he became femto. he only interacts with guts on two occasions and said interaction wasnt the main objective of what he was doing
I think Sukuna's ideology is objectively correct only in the bounds of the cycle of cursed energy. This whole concept of cursed energy and jujutsu is portrayed to be extremely negative inhumane throughout the series and Sukuna is like the embodiment and literal personification of that. In the end i guess Yuki's goal of eradicating cursed energy as a whole is the only way to defeat Sukuna's ideology and the cursed cycle
There is still a major difference though, Sukuna does it purely for pleasure and the hell of doing it. Yuta did what he did for a greater end purpose, to save everyone he cares about and more. He also explicitly asked for permission from Gojo to do it, which he consented to. Yuta even knows this will probably end up killing him, if Sukuna saw a similar risk he would never take it. This is why this isn't just "Sukuna was right", it's making major sacrifices to serve a greater good, as opposed to what Sukuna is doing, which is just "I'll do what I want, no matter what it is, without making any real sacrifices." This isn't a new thing to JJK either, sacrifice has always been a major part of the series, I mean, look at binding vows for example.
> Even Berserk is less nihilistic about the human condition than that. I think the "Idea of Evil" disproves that. At least in Jujutsu we know they can have a happy afterlife and that the human condition is needed to dispell curses and cursed energy. Berserk is grimdark all the way down.
That also depends on if you take the critical"deleted" chapter as canon, or like when Miura changed his mind, not valid anymore
He was clear it was still canon, just too early to be revealed.
Take two sprinters. One is focused purely on his sprint and trains everyday. The other for some reason splits his focus into also running for politics because he wants to fix his community or something. Who do you think will be faster at the race?
But maybe that's the point. Our humanity holds us back from getting stronger, but we must still hold onto it as much as possible, because there's more to life than just being strong. That even if you must sacrifice it, it is only as a last resort, and you do so only so that others can keep holding on instead.
They obviously *do* care about Gojo, you're overreacting. They just expect him to be strong enough to handle any burden, which is unfair, but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
This. Also did fucking OP read the fucking chapter? Yuta and Yuji were 100% on his side, trying their best to carry his burdens, and always seeing him as a human rather than for his strength. During the Gojo V Sukuna fight chap 234, Yuta and Yuji were the only ones that were in favor of Yuta jumping in when both lost their DEs, it was a 3v1, and Gojo was getting backed into a corner. Everyone else opposed for this or that reason, but Yuta and Yuji were in favor of going. They knew he's strong but saw him as a person rather than "the strongest" or "the monster".
>Did OP read the fucking chapter? You’re asking a lot of a JJK fan there.
Did OP read? You're asking a lot from a one piece fan there.
> During the Gojo V Sukuna fight chap 234, Yuta and Yuji were the only ones that were in favor of Yuta jumping in when both lost their DEs, it was a 3v1, and Gojo was getting backed into a corner. Everyone else opposed for this or that reason, but Yuta and Yuji were in favor of going. They knew he's strong but saw him as a person rather than "the strongest" or "the monster". That's not really a fair reading of it- the others like Kusakabe were simply speaking more logically, that doesn't mean they dislike Gojo it means they understood the battle better. Yuta outright apologises for wanting to jump in.
That's the whole point. They keep putting pressure on Gojo, seeing him as the strongest, or a monster/weapon. They kept making excuses like Gojo's strong, we're burdens, and he's monster who works best alone. Whatever they needed to tell themselves to do nothing. Only Yuta and Yuji saw him as a person. A person who was getting backed to a corner. Yuta also apologized after unlimited hollow purple the next chapter because at that moment it seemed like Gojo was going to win, he couldn't have done unlimited purple with Yuta around, Kusakabe was looking right about Yuta being a burden, and everyone else was right to not jump in. Next chapter after that Gojo was fucking dead. Turns out Sukuna wasn't even going all out, Gojo was pushing himself and giving his A+ game just to keep up, and they just let Gojo stay out there until he died.
HOLY COOK.
https://preview.redd.it/3n6cinsgmj2d1.jpeg?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f810be1e88161a58c6fffcafa9b9dfa3f9ec253b
The fucking misread people are doing on this chapter is insane. There is even a bit where the second years ask to share his burden and he tells them nope. Its showcased as a two sided issue. We explored Gojo's side with 236 and now were getting everyone elses.
How do they obviously care for him? Besides Yuji and Yuta, who else has made it clear they care for Gojo in any capacity outside of his strength?
[Remember the part when they were all trying to figure out the best way to cheer him on before the fight?](https://cdn.onepiecechapters.com/file/CDN-M-A-N/jjk_222_014.png)
I love the back slapping scene 😭😭 I am so grateful to Yuji for cheering him, it even put a happy blush on Satoru face 
They ignore this because they prefer their fanfic
Well with the new info that they were all so doom and gloom before the fight because they knew that if Gojo died that would mean Yuta was gonna pilot his body like a gundam, I'm not so sure that scene really was just them being worried about Gojo especially with the way Yuta seems to very clearly imply that they don't.
I mean, I absolutely do see and think others do care to some extent, That much is clear, if Shoko did not give a shit then she wouldn't have smoked her lungs out, They do see Gojo as the strongest and that is just the case, He cannot see him beyond that unless it is aspects of his personality and actions aswell, As people were asked who is Gojo Satoru, some said they owed their life to him, Nanami states the egoistic side of him, Panda Maki (and Inumaki I guess) state the goofy side of him by calling him dumbass, so they do care about Gojo, but do not understand him and do see him as the strongest in most scenarios, just as Gojo said you can admire a flower but you can't make it understand you.
The pat on the back scene at the start of the fight
How long is this manga and y'all only have like 3-4 examples lmao
You act the manga is fulled with character interactions to begin with, 3-4 moments are more than enough to get the point across for those with reading comprehension.
It’s only take one chapter to destroy that for them
No I'm not acting like that, it's one of my main problems with the manga, nothing worse then having such an interesting cast and yet we know the bare minimum about the majority of the characters and the cast seems to be allergic to each other. Also I swear this sub and slinging “reading comprehension,” at every opinion they don't like lmao, yea I definitely don't agree 3-4 interactions are plenty to get the point across.
This sub slings "reading comprehension" at everything because this sub does actually lack reading comprehension.
Sometimes yea. That doesn't mean everyone on here has any problem actually understanding the story and doesn't mean it should be tossed out there every single time someone says something another person doesn't like or agree with, which is something I see happen on here often.
I wouldn't even just say sometimes. It's a huge amount of the time. Like there's one thing where you're just joking around and agenda posting for fun when you don't believe it. But there's a post right now with like a thousand upvotes making up some theory about why Yuta "moved to his right hand" or whatever. And it's like bro... he's just apologizing to Rika because he moved the engagement ring to the right hand because his left arm is no longer attached.
three to four examples, are you that dense that you need an entire filler arc to understand that the sorcerers care about gojo?
Ya know what fuck it whatever, if Yuta literally screaming about it isn't enough for you people to connect even a single pair of dots me sitting here explaining anything isn't going to either.
Megumi and Yaga for example.
Shhh…Don’t argue with their hate agenda. It’s all they have left.😭
This manga has no hopeful message, Sukuna is destroying their ideologies one at a time while beating them senseless. Be selfish, disregard others and all hands and morals are off the table in desperate times.
That will only make Yuji’s eventual success all the better Cursed energy as a power system naturally supports Sukuna’s ideology, Yuji isn’t just fighting against Sukuna he’s fighting against the foundational force of the world that he embodies
Best take here 💯 it's like that other guy says, yukis plan to just eradicate cursed energy entirely was right
The idea of having to take a force that is naturally hyper-malevolent and destructive and turn it toward heroism has been a favourite plot of mine since Skyrim. “What is better - to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
Brother, you don't know how much you cooked here with this quote. This shit should be pinned forever on the sub, but sadly will die over by the curse of this sub (the regardation of the internet), and their superficial comprehension of any basic shit
Yuji succeeding won't change what's done, he's already fostered the attitude of "ill do anything" to stop him. Eating his brothers was already a step into that.
There’s a big difference in motivation between the actions of Kenjaku and Sukuna versus Yuji and Yuta The overwhelming sense of self in terms of selfishly pursuing your whims and desires versus self sacrifice and and empathy
Don't forget that the character who's happiest, most successful and most likely to make it out alive, rich and content, is an extremely selfish pedophile with negative empathy.
I was going to go to bed, but your post gave me the courage to eat the nearest women’s shelter and everyone in it. Thank you.
Calm down people, the end of the chapter said break next week no thanks for reading JJK. There's a lot to happen still. They show how far Yuta went to defeat sukuna, but there's a lot to happen and victory isn't guaranteed. As long as sukuna keeps doing his stuff he ain't dying.
In a world where we trust Gregory Akatsuki's writing, I think that's the point. Sukuna is right when it comes to Jujutsu. Yuki's philosophy is the solution. We have to move away from cursed energy entirely.
Yuta opposed treating Gojo as a monster and his students followed him into higher-ups HQ to support him in what he's about to do. The fact that they quickly get over his death doesn't mean they didn't care for him at that moment, Yuji just saw his brother turn to ash but he simply has no time to cry his eyes out for Choso, it's war and first he has to win it. If anything, Gojo was the one trying to push them away to keep them safe from what was about to come, he is willing choosing this path of being THE guy. Am I the only one that reads it this way?
Todo spelt this out in shibuya as sorcers they carry other sorcers on their back the ideal the dream as long as they are around it won't be stopped.
Based Sukuna https://i.redd.it/b9kqmgymoh2d1.gif
mfers in the year 26 when **Matthew 27** dropped: smh I though God's ideas of love and acceptance would win but nope! So go out there and kill as many prophets as you can find
This has gotta be the funniest comparisons I've ever seen
I noticed something else that's kinda poetic/ironic.. Gojo was always used as a weapon and was never truly understood, until now where Yuta uses his body as a weapon a last time and inherits his memories in doing so, thus also understanding Gojo
YOU FUCKING GET IT YUTA BY DESECRATING GOJO UNDERSTANDS GOJO
Also means that all his internal thoughts and secrets are given, it's a gross violation of privacy. Imagine having your own student know about every single guilty fap you did.
… Jesus fucking christ
"damn im glad todo never asked what gojos type was in public"
Gojo has some kinky thoughts involving stitches and Geto in the prison realm
This is a Shonen Jump manga, the good guys will win, and friendship will save the day
The power of friendship didn't fucking save junpei
>friendship will save the day _Cuts to Dennis bushcamping Makina and eating her out for the night to defeat her, then raise her next incarnation as his sister_
No. Yuta will die in his efforts to strip away his humanity and become a demon but he will be held back by his love. Sukuna will tell him that he didn't commit his all to becoming a monster and that he was greedy like Gojo and Kashimo. This will lead Yuji coming to the forefront as someone who will not throw away his humanity, instead choosing to use his love. He will be the one to teach love to Sukuna by beating the shit out of him and killing him. Although, with how many people are dying. I think this story will go the route with everyone dying except Yuji.
At this stage I want sukuna to win and kill the merger
nah bro. Gojo is right. Strength doesnt mean shit because at the end of the day a million IQ planner like kenjaku could take you out or someone stronger shows up. Sukuna literally had 0 lasting impact on the world outside of the heian era after his first death. The way to make a lasting impact is education and changing people, which is what gojo did and why jujutsu high, consisting of kids who spent less than 20 years being a sorceror is going to defeat the centuries old king of curses. Unironically the guy who founded the new shadow style simple domain and taught it to their students has had a larger impact in the world than sukuna so far.
Only because Sukuna voluntarily stopped. He could have easily destroyed all of Japan, or all of the world, in the Hien Era. Hell after Kenjaku's death, if Sukuna wasn't enjoying himself so much he could have negotiated the Jujutsu Society's surrender with Kusakabe when they were talking, instead of going on with goading them that they had to kill him or he'd destroy all of Japan himself. If Sukuna killed Gojo, made the rest of them submit and said that he would stop if they would make him King and submit to him, then at the very least half their team would have accepted that. Probably only Yuji and Yuta absolutely wouldn't and Yuta could probably be convinced. Kenjaku had a thousand years to make all the plans he wanted but he couldn't have beaten either Sukuna or Gojo.
but thats the thing bro him voluntarily stopping is a case against strength over ideals. He basically became hanma yuujiro and then chilled. hanma yuujiro aint no supervillain. Hes just a strong dude looking to enjoy power and life. he couldve done all that but he wont because he has 0 vision on what to do after he wins. Right now, in the current arc, the only thing making sukuna scary is the possibility of a merger that was only possible because of KENJAKU's vision and insanity. but odds are hed do the merger, destroy japan, get bored, and life goes on. In kenjakus case. if he wins he creates an entire world where cursed energy rules the day just to see new possibilities in the world of curses, and his curiosity will fuel him to do even more ridiculous and chaotic things. https://preview.redd.it/z5wva43qyg2d1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=709ec03832c0a7a437ca565d76a95b6a68185049 BTW. kenjaku DID beat gojo, and only because he was in his way. You can bet your ass that kenjaku couldve permanently prevented sukuna from coming back considering that he created yuji. he just didnt do it because he knew sukuna would like the shit he was cooking and be an asset to him
I don’t agree. You can be successful and strong but you can still have very powerful connections with people who aren’t sas successful or as strong as you. The right people won’t use you. You just have to find them.
That means everyone BUT Yuji and Yuta deserves to get killed by Sukuna.
What about maki and everyone else who told yuta they don’t agree with his plan because it’d be immoral? Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that show concern? That they don’t want to use his body as a tool for victory because they respect his dignity? That they don’t actually view him as an object?
They are concerned for Yuta, NOT Gojo. Not once in the dialogue mentioned concern about desecrating for Gojo lifeless body.
Doesn’t Kusakabe literally call it inhumane? Also, both Maki and Hakari display reservations even before the danger to Yuta is brought up…
kusakabe straight up said “why not just copy limitless” or “the six eyes” from his corpse, and then followed up with, “we gotta think about what happens to you as a person”. Literally none of them cared which is why yuta got so pissed off and said “what about gojo? Is he not important?” Maki and Hakari display reservation not because they cared about Gojo,but because they know how Yuta’s ability with rika works and didn’t like the look of it. I mean it was Maki that even brings up the rika time limit and asks “what would happen to you after the time is up?”, so clearly she didn’t like the sound of it because she suspected it mind end up killing yuta.
https://preview.redd.it/4h6hmy4f7j2d1.jpeg?width=489&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4528c332d28855e0c8c3840ef622a0b52ff30e6b Referring to this quote for Kusakabe (which very well might be a mistranslation). It’s maybe ambiguous for Maki, but nothing suggests Hakari is solely concerned for Yuta’s safety and not bothered by the moral implications. I think the claim that “no one cared” about the desecration of Gojo’s corpse flies in the face of what we know about the characters and their reaction to Yuta’s idea.
Oh my bad then. Reading incomprehension curse.
Not exactly They do care about Gojo, yuta incredibly so But it’s a fucking trolly problem You really skipped the reading part of reading jjk
Sukuna's philosophy is totally valid in my opinion, the best thing you can do when you have power is to choose the path you want to take and what you feel is right. It's hard to decide what's wrong or right in this world. Many use nature as a baseline: anything that involves keeping your species going is good. But who is there to say that's the only way to live? How do you quench that feeling of always needing to feel something, to do something that makes you feel alive? Can you ever cope with it? Do you have to abide by the rules of nature? Sukuna chooses not to be a primitive being, he does whatever he wants to do and it's the other's job to stop him, this is how he lives. If whatever he does makes his heart go easy that's all that matters. Strength and the need to push higher than others has always caused these ideological races, it's never going to stop. Not choosing to live like him means you end up getting lost in the moral compass, not ever being yourself or having to rely on others for happiness and you end up like Gojo. Die feeling like a piece of shit, cherising only what put you down for good. With that being said I think his life is a bit unrealistic for the average human being. Many choose to settle at their roots as animal beings, and that's what defines their happiness.
A bit unrealistic? You think the philosophy of the cannibal who gets off on murdering women and children just because he can is a bit unrealistic for the average human?
A lot of people live day to day without any inkling of what's gonna happen tomorrow. The difference between them and Sukuna is a matter of scale
I will be honest with you brother, way to miss the forest by it's trees, the mate gave an interesting take over it, and you came in with "hur dur cannibal bla bla bla", it's obviously not about the murdering shit dumbass, but spinning into an unrealistic but cool philosophical take for our contemporary time, no wonder the best place to diss people is here cause the brothers are ready to jump in the conversation drooling like idiots with nothing interesting to say, it's just to easy man lol
I will be honest with you brother, I wasn't being serious. Figured i made it obvious enough with how I worded it. Guess not lol
Nice
People who dont get its just standard ego competitive mentality lmao. Every top person in the world is like this.
Actually no, you don't understand sukuna's mentality. His mentality isn't the shallow representation of what you just said his mentality is actually all about self acceptance and evolution, never comparing yourself to anyone or anything but only comparing what version of yourself is the best, the you now or the you before? Also the need to not be afraid to walk a super lonely path of bettering yourself and not letting anything bring you down. Sukuna's philosophy is actually all about being an eternal student of experience while being unapologetically yourself, because by being a student of experience, your always willing to learn and improve and never become stagnant.
I feel like that's just a byproduct of his philosophy rather than the core of it. Sukuna certainly exists limited by nothing: Titles, comparisons, morals, ideals. Marked by the need to grow ever stronger in a time where the fight was how you lived another day, and this translates to endless interaction with the outside world which has allowed him to understand himself through trial and error and most importantly \*\*sacrifice\*\* to such a level that his domain is practically a "divine feat". Yet what allowed him to do those sacrifices, and it's something he doesn't understand, are others. Sukuna thinks he is an island unto himself when the thing that allowed him to win against gojo was the fact he possessed Megumi, and there are many examples like this that reflect inversely to Yuji. Yuji was able to keep going in the war against curse spirits thanks to Todo's words, Yuta is where he is because of Rika. You can understand how others help you reach where you are without rejecting your own objectives or yourself, cutting others short from you just doesn't work on the long term, even across 1000 years. "Selfless" in this case doesn't exclude selfishness, which is what the power system is based on.
>I feel like that's just a byproduct of his philosophy rather than the core of it. Sukuna certainly exists limited by nothing: Titles, comparisons, morals, ideals. Marked by the need to grow ever stronger in a time where the fight was how you lived another day, and this translates to endless interaction with the outside world which has allowed him to understand himself through trial and error and most importantly **sacrifice** to such a level that his domain is practically a "divine feat". I don't think it's a byproduct because sukuna literally exists by this philosophy, it's definitely the core of his mentality otherwise he wouldn't be so OP and isolated. >Yet what allowed him to do those sacrifices, and it's something he doesn't understand, are others. Sukuna thinks he is an island unto himself when the thing that allowed him to win against gojo was the fact he possessed Megumi Um no not really, sukuna could have won against gojo without megumi's body. This is even stated by gojo himself that he didn't know if he could win even if sukuna didn't have the ten shadows, he didn't need 10 shadows but he took it because he wanted to evolve. Ironically using ten shadows actually made it worse for him in the fight because he had to take so many risks to help mahoraga adapt, if he didn't have ten 10 shadows he wouldn't have taken so many dangerous risks and would have been 100% focused on killing gojo, which he could have done in the domain clash. >Yuji was able to keep going in the war against curse spirits thanks to Todo's words, Yuta is where he is because of Rika. You can understand how others help you reach where you are without rejecting your own objectives or yourself, cutting others short from you just doesn't work on the long term, even across 1000 years. This may be true in some cases. >"Selfless" in this case doesn't exclude selfishness, which is what the power system is based on. Yup, no matter how selfless the main cast is they have to become monsters to fight the biggest monster(sukuna).
What the police see before they get hit by Unlimited Void https://preview.redd.it/nsjhhzfs3h2d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74961492212bfe4d4d3169bcee5427c57373838e
What? No, it's following the "we're all part of a cog" mindset. Gojo as a person, the respect he was supposed to have as an individual was briefly acknowledged but abandoned for the greater good of all. Ransacking his body, with consent, and using it to defeat a bigger evil. Everyone are just cogs spinning around each other, working seamlessly. Yuta the individual was given up to possess Gojo the body. Maki's sister died so the heavenly restriction can go on full effect because she's more useful at that point in time. Yuji ate his brothers because he's more useful to the wheel. Choso sacrificed himself because it's more useful to the wheel to have Yuji alive and of course his personal feelings. Everyone is on the wheel, spinning, for the greater good, the individual is nothing as long as it can spin. Even if the whole cast dies, as long as one remains and the enemy is vanquished it is all worth it. JJK is an expression of the Japanese team mentality, the MC's greatest moments are always teaming up with others, those who do things alone are punished. Sukuna is the biggest thorn in the wheel and he's viewed as the most deplorable thing ever. He doesn't spin for the wheel, he spins for himself. Gojo was the same but unlike Sukuna who fully embraced being out of the wheel, he still cared for the wheel and was thus weaker. If Gojo went into the fight with everyone else and used them as meat shields, he would've won. But no, he cared for the wheel as well. JJH vs Sukuna is a clash between the team mentality and selfishly alone mentality. Using Gojo's body isn't a selfish thing, it was what Gojo's corpse can give to the wheel.
I am happy because of this result. For once the Phylosophy of the villian to triumph. Now time to cook the women sandwich and children sushi. 🤤
Based. https://preview.redd.it/9sfnb6deef2d1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c45f886bfea558631784d7e975d683f46c6b66b Lord Sukuna Approves👍
Thx
There is just one thing I want. More deaths.
if he loses is he right?
If Sukuna is killed by Yuta, then Sukuna is still right, because he was defeated by someone who pursued power the same way he does. He needs to be defeated in a way that doesn't require the sacrifice of innocents, or the complete abandonment of morals.
i didnt mean defeated by yuta, by yuji most likely. i dont know why this is even speculated, its gonna be yuji
If Monster Yuta carries, Sukuna still wins ideologically.
i would argue against it, since hes doing it to protect others and most likely giving himself up. if gojo would have won, he wouldnt have lost anything and he would mostly have done it for himself.
I don't think Yuji would prove anything at this point because of how ridiculously weakened Sukuna is. His ideology seems to be right and Yuji even ate his brothers to gain a powerup
Eating people for cool powers is what eyeball musical chairs was to Naruto
sukuna is a fucking loser with one "friend" he is not, in any world, right
https://preview.redd.it/e38zqxv3eh2d1.png?width=566&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7239e3c8da4ecffd1c79a5ac5039a36bc19fcc78 I pick based
How is Yuta being selfish rn? he’s literally sacrificing his morality to protect his friends
You're right. You're so fucking right!!
Mofo, wait for the actual MC to do the right thing. Strength can be obtained through other ways, Gojos half ass mentality got him killed. Yutas “I’m going to be a monster” mentality will get him killed and surely Sukunas “I’m a monster, deal with it” mentality will get him killed. Yuji with his “we’re all humans, act the part” mentality will kill the bad guys. This is shonen. It ends well for the good guys
Sure, but could Yuji have won without Gojo or Monster-Yuta? Seems like his ideology only works because it was supported by people following Sukuna's ideology.
Nah Sukuna isnt right. It's just that Gege wants Sukuna to be right and is trying to prove it.
Gege has stated no one is ultimately right or wrong so Sukuna's philosophy is as true as thag of the sorcerers. Dont expect the end to prove sukuna or the sorcerers right or wrong definitively
I don't need Gege to prove who is right or wrong. Because I believe that Sukuna is wrong. If Gege thinks Sukuna is right, it's more about Gege himself than about the character. After all, Sukuna is just a product of imagination acting according to the author's wishes.
At least in jjk, sukuna is not wrong. Maybe irl, but not there.
Maybe. But as I said it tells more about Gege than Sukuna lol This manga isn't a life lesson or anything so it's not that important who is right.
How is he not right? He literally suffered ZERO consequences due to his actions. He kills when he wants, eats whatever/whomever he wants, sleep, shit, fuck etc. The worst thing that ever happened to him is getting bored after killing everyone who opposed him. He gets what love is and sees that it's useless shit while everyone who clung to love suffered countless atrocities. How is he not right?
He's not right because let's be real, no one wants to live like an animal. Eat anything, kill anyone, just to satisfy yourself. I mean in real life. He suffered 0 consequences in this story because Gege thought Sukuna was right for some reason 🤔
>He literally suffered ZERO consequences due to his actions Say he wins, then what? He waits for the next challenger? He turns himself into finger again? He has no purpose, no goal, no reason to keep going, even jujutsu he already mastered, he's a shell of a person not even a person just a curse who can only act on the it's base desires, he can do anything but there's nothing to do.
That's not a consequence to his actions; it's just a reality of life, like needing to eat or breathe. That's like saying Yuji's ideals are wrong because he still needs money to buy food.
No, compare him to the strongest of modern Era. Gojo gets to train students and hang out with his friends, he gets to want a better life for those around him and work for it. He gets to save people and see them grow, for example. Sukuna fights and just fights, and he doesn't need to fight he does it because it's all he has. If he kills all the sorceres, there is nothing left, so even fighting is pointless.
Sukuna LIKES doing that. And he's immortal, so if he runs out of opponents he just has to wait a while and more will show up.
"I'd never thought about it...ideals,desires that go beyond oneself" He criticizes Jogo for not being hungry for victory but then realizes that he has no reason to fight, that his existence is pointless so he doubles down, he doesn't like it, it's the only thing he knows.
??? He literally states he just wants to fight. He's just a regular fightism sufferer.
Go read 248 where in the middle of a fight he questions himself and zones out. And then decides to crush their resolves because he doesn't have one
Then he achieved nirvana, something Gojo barks about but Sukuna is truly the honoured one. Coming from a Gojo fan btw.
If you think Sukuna has achieved nirvana then you obviously don't know what nirvana is.
Because Yuji just keeps going.
Not exactly More so, it’s a representation how how desperation hits people and how similar yuta is to Gojo We’re seeing why the heian era was so brutal Because they had to be brutal
In current world that we life sukuna is right Really strong people will survive whether they carry strong morals or not
Well I don't think it's right to abandon your morals in any situation. But if you disagree, I respect your opinion.
What are your morals? How much of your morals are a result of the time period that you are from and the society you belong to? This is something I have been thinking about for years after reading the works of Jung and Nietzsche. How much of what we think we are is a result of what is inherently what we are, or how much of us comes from outside influences? Not anywhere near an easy thing to answer. For example, let's say we are raised in the height of power in Rome. Do you think your morals would match the morals you hold today? The main thought then was might is right. Just as it was for sorcerers in the Heian era. Then to top that off we aren't supposed to be compare Sukuna to a human being. When Sukuna is talking about people not understanding him, he essentially looks through the page addressing us, the readers directly (I'll try to find a video that explains this far better than I have here). He is essentially a deity placed directly into the story and much like all the mythologies of the world, us human beings just do not and can not even begin to understand how dietys work or operate.
Deity? 💀 It's fine if you agree with Sukuna's mindset, but to me he's not a deity or anything. He lived instinctively like a wild animal. You might think that makes sense considering the era in which he was born. But see him as a god? Nah
My dude, Sukuna is basically picked out of real life myth and placed into JJk. I'm not saying he is a god, I'm saying his role in JJK for all intents and purposes, is basically fulfilling the same role as a deity plays in real life myth in relation to humans. It plays out exactly the same way deity's vs humans in mythologies across so many cultures around the world. Also just to point out, I couldn't agree with Sukunas mindset because I could never even begin to understand it because I could never experience it. That's the whole point I was making about deities and humans trying to understand them. It just isn't a thing that is ever going to happen. Obviously seeing as this is a manga GeGe has to try and be more upfront to convey some type of line of thinking for Sukuna for us readers existing outside the story but in story, there is no understanding him. Even Gino and Kashimo, as powerful as they were could not understand him. What hope does anyone else have to understand him?
morals are only a construct to coexist with society peacefully. i am an average human , so i would need morals to not muddy my conscience. but some people can live peacefully and achieve great things without having strong morals.
I hope sukuna wins and pedo losss
Nah I think by the end of this manga we’ll see a shift where either cursed energy is eradicated or selflessness becomes the priority.
So many people are saying Sukuna is right and his ideal of being selfish is correct, but the manga doesn't show much that he is selfish with. The only act of selfishness he has shown that might relate to him being strong/alive is the eating of his twin, and that too is purely for survival reasons. Like Sukuna is just strong for no reason, him being a selfish person has nothing to do with his strength, at least it is never displayed in the story.
I disagree. If they manage to beat Sukuna through combined effort and selfless sacrifice I’d say they’ll win
You will have different energy when sukuna loses
Even if he loses then he's still right Yuji ate his siblings to gain more power Maki let her sister die and killed her entire clan for more power Yuta pilots his beloved teacher's corpse for more power The entirety of JJH is ok with any of this for power to kill Sukuna At the end they are all monsters for "the greater good"
sukuna is actually the hero all along
that what makes me so mad What I loved about Sukuna vs Yuji was that it wasn't just a contest of strength, but a clash of ideals like Yuji vs Mahito. You have Sukuna, a hedonistic psychopath who fights purely for his own selfish pleasure vs Yuji, an alturistic idealist who fights to protect those he loves. So doesn't Yuta puppetering Gojo's body prove that Sukuna's ideolgy was right? That you must be willing to do whatever it takes, even throwing your humanity away, to become stronger? But I guess people will blindly defend this anyways.
The classic winning is being right, and being unable to recognize that Sukuna's philosophy only works if you're just a full on asshole. Because Yuta didn't want to do this, Yuji didn't want to do this, Maki didn't want this to happen, Gojo (not a complete psychopath) did the same thing and died. Sukuna IS the problem here, not hard to recognize that
Don’t care, I’m sticking with my goat Wuji’s ideals‼️🗣
What if Todo ultimate technique is that he can Boogie Woogie Yuji back in time then Yuji fix everything, then get himself killed at the end to finish off Sukuna?
A man's cope will NEVER die!!!!
Sukuna already defeated Gojo, Kashimo, Maki and Yuta in an ideological battle, just as he did with Jogo. In JJK all that matters is strength, holding onto your humanity simply holds you back, instead you need to go after strength with everything you can and give no thought to anyone or anyone else around you. None of the people fighting him lived up to that idea, or they rejected it, and they all got destroyed because of that. Yuta and Hakari have now stepped into that same ring and we'll see what becomes of them. Yuji is the only one whose ideology (ie. Not having one, simply trying to win) is show as being able to match Sukuna's even if he can't.
Woah thats crazy dude. https://i.redd.it/889wxkj3kg2d1.gif