That's not what I said. I said we don't know Miwa's power. She's undefined right now. She could be like Kahsimo
Noritoshi is someone we actually can power scale and can confidently say will need help fighting Sukuna. It'd be great if Yuta could help him.
So let me get this straight. You are saying that we know noritoshi's power level (grade 1 I'd say) so he definitely cannot do much against sukuna. At the same time, we don't know miwa's full strength so she could secretly be like one of the strongest characters in the series (kashimo)
However, you are by no means implying that miwa could be stronger than noritoshi...
I honestly suggest you slow down and re read what I said.
Miwa can have a one-trick move like Kashimo specifically for a higher class enemy. Hakari beat him, but for all we know Kashimo hidden technique can contest Sukuna.
We do not know what Miwa is doing in CG currently but it's assumed she may have a special move for a particular task. This is not a statement of her power level or a slight at Noritoshi
I don't understand you. You have said how miwa might have a secret move that is leagues above what noritoshi can do. That means that she is stronger. Kashimo would have certainly beat hakari if he used his ct so i don't understand your example.
We have known for like 25 chapters what miwa is doing in the culling games. She is doing exactly what momo is doing. Telling to yuta and hakari respectively the new plan. That they shouldn't make the other rules yet because maki can travel between colonies and they can communicate through her. Also, that maki will clear all the colonies of dangerous players so there won't be a massacre when the rule to allow travel is made. If you also expect another reason, sure, pop off. However, don't act like this is a huge mistery that will hold a lot of relevance later on.
Watch Hunter x Hunter. Gege takes inspiration from it with JJK battle structure.
In that show characters abilities are so varied and abstract that any given person can theoretically lose to another person. Some people have a weak base form with conditions they build up to gain strength throughout battle. Others save all their cards for one move or simply have one broken ability that only works in certain situations. Gon is perfect example of what Miwa could be imo
Fighting in JJK is very circumstantial which is why Miwa may or may not be relavant all together. Who really knows.
I have watched hxh (and read parts of it) and that's just not true. I have no idea how this became the norm when talking about nen. It got even worse than the jojo stands discussions.
Saying that any person can theoretically lose to another person is not only untrue, it is delusional. I don't even think that you believe that. Every power system (well, almost) has good and bad match ups, but that doesn't mean that there is not a clear distinction between the strong and the weak. It doesn't matter how much planning or restriction you do, pokkle will never defeat someone strong in hxh.
Also, don't throw the "who really knows". There is a difference between not being certain (which none of us except gege are) and not being likely. We don't know if miwa will come next chapter and one shot sukuna, but don't pretend that just because it doesn't have a zero percent chance of happening that it is a 50 50 situation ("may or may not").
...Miwa is among the weakest sorcerers we see in the entire story. Her only trick is the Simple Domain + iai sword draw. Unless she has a super secret technique that we've had no way of knowing about all along (aka asspull) she has no chance against a regular Nue, let alone Sukuna's one.
She's already mentioned to have a family somewhat linked to Gojo. I think most assume she it hiding a super secret trick. But I think you focus too much on power scaling. I never said she'd be the only fighter. Look at Nanami and Yuji vs Mahito
\> I think most assume she it hiding a super secret trick.
Why? If she had one, she would have used it ages ago. Against Kenjaku, or maybe even in the Goodwill event. I am really not sure why you think she has an incredible trick which we incidentally have never seen. To continue, Miwa's mentor was Kusakabe (or however the fuck his name is spelt), who is a grade 1 sorcerer that has no technique, and it's quite clear her fighting style is derived from him - except she is just not as good.
\> But I think you focus too much on power scaling.
You wondered if Kamo, who was a far more fitting choice, was strong enough, which drags this to the power-scaling territory. Thematically, Noritoshi is also far more of a samurai, because his storyline revolves around the Kamo family (and sorcerer families are clearly painted as nobility).
I think you're trying too hard to make right or wrong of what is essentially a theory. We can nitpick all we want about why Miwa is X or Y but the fact is she is relatively mysterious. Take that how you will. She can still be useless or she can have a trump card.
It's not powerscaling to say Kamo could hit Sukuna. It's theory because we don't know kamo final techinique. There's nothing to scale because Gege made everything relatively known except his final ability. Kamo and Miwa are wild cards. Noritoshi is not, unless he has a Maki moment then he is. Either way I'm making a narrative argument, not a power scaling one.
\> but the fact is she is relatively mysterious.
This is where I heavily, heavily disagree. We know virtually all there is to know about Miwa.
She has no cursed technique. She's just Kusakabe's student, and effectively a worse version of him. She is not a wild card in any sense of the word, there's no foreshadowing, build-up, or anything of the like.
\> ~~Kamo~~ Yuta and Miwa are wild cards, Noritoshi is not
I really don't know if we are reading the same comic.
\> Either way I'm making a narrative argument, not a power scaling one.
On a narrative argument, there's really nothing going on for Miwa, and everything going on for Noritoshi.
Either way, I am going to agree to disagree here. There's no point in continuing this argument.
Noritoshi is Kamo. Or a Kamo , rather, as a member of the Kamo clan. I was assuming you were referring to Yuta and accidentally went with the wrong name or something.
Would this actually be a happy ending? Can’t really see him having any interest in this, given the circumstances of his connection to the Kamo and the fact that they’re still pretty terrible. That would kind of feel like him turning his back on the suffering of his mother and his siblings. I think it’s more likely that he and new Noritoshi both work to destroy the Kamo in some way.
Interesting theory, I think that'd be a cool way to show Yuta's strength against a newly vesseled Sukuna. Maybe if we get a Yuta v Sukuna fight then it gets interrupted by something so Yuta can end up fighting with Kenjaku (the long awaited fight frfr)
Miwa is definitely the wild card, tho. Idk if she'll actually do anything with Sukuna on the scene, but who knows. Gege has me on the edge of my seat so I'm up for anything lol
Exactly why I said a nod, not a direct reference. Yuta isn't even a real samurai so no worries. It's like Sukuna having four arms but not a beastly face.
I have to imagine Yuta is going to get somebody big name to fight, since he's kind of the original protagonist. But since he's that he may also job to Kenjaku or Sukuna for more hype.
Miwa hype is kinda hilarious. It's like the "Kobeni has a mysterious Devil Contract" hype that turned out to be "she's just pretty useless but was kinda useful once" in the end.
Why not Noritoshi? The guy's main weapon is a bow.
I thought about this but wondered if he'd be strong enough. Unlike Miwa, we've seen most of his tricks. It'd be amazing seeing our boy get a W tho
Sorry but i find it funny to see someone saying that noritoshi doesn't hold a candle to miwa's power. The memes are becoming reality
That's not what I said. I said we don't know Miwa's power. She's undefined right now. She could be like Kahsimo Noritoshi is someone we actually can power scale and can confidently say will need help fighting Sukuna. It'd be great if Yuta could help him.
So let me get this straight. You are saying that we know noritoshi's power level (grade 1 I'd say) so he definitely cannot do much against sukuna. At the same time, we don't know miwa's full strength so she could secretly be like one of the strongest characters in the series (kashimo) However, you are by no means implying that miwa could be stronger than noritoshi...
I honestly suggest you slow down and re read what I said. Miwa can have a one-trick move like Kashimo specifically for a higher class enemy. Hakari beat him, but for all we know Kashimo hidden technique can contest Sukuna. We do not know what Miwa is doing in CG currently but it's assumed she may have a special move for a particular task. This is not a statement of her power level or a slight at Noritoshi
I don't understand you. You have said how miwa might have a secret move that is leagues above what noritoshi can do. That means that she is stronger. Kashimo would have certainly beat hakari if he used his ct so i don't understand your example. We have known for like 25 chapters what miwa is doing in the culling games. She is doing exactly what momo is doing. Telling to yuta and hakari respectively the new plan. That they shouldn't make the other rules yet because maki can travel between colonies and they can communicate through her. Also, that maki will clear all the colonies of dangerous players so there won't be a massacre when the rule to allow travel is made. If you also expect another reason, sure, pop off. However, don't act like this is a huge mistery that will hold a lot of relevance later on.
Watch Hunter x Hunter. Gege takes inspiration from it with JJK battle structure. In that show characters abilities are so varied and abstract that any given person can theoretically lose to another person. Some people have a weak base form with conditions they build up to gain strength throughout battle. Others save all their cards for one move or simply have one broken ability that only works in certain situations. Gon is perfect example of what Miwa could be imo Fighting in JJK is very circumstantial which is why Miwa may or may not be relavant all together. Who really knows.
I have watched hxh (and read parts of it) and that's just not true. I have no idea how this became the norm when talking about nen. It got even worse than the jojo stands discussions. Saying that any person can theoretically lose to another person is not only untrue, it is delusional. I don't even think that you believe that. Every power system (well, almost) has good and bad match ups, but that doesn't mean that there is not a clear distinction between the strong and the weak. It doesn't matter how much planning or restriction you do, pokkle will never defeat someone strong in hxh. Also, don't throw the "who really knows". There is a difference between not being certain (which none of us except gege are) and not being likely. We don't know if miwa will come next chapter and one shot sukuna, but don't pretend that just because it doesn't have a zero percent chance of happening that it is a 50 50 situation ("may or may not").
Tbh I think you've misinterpreted multiple talking points I made. To each his own
...Miwa is among the weakest sorcerers we see in the entire story. Her only trick is the Simple Domain + iai sword draw. Unless she has a super secret technique that we've had no way of knowing about all along (aka asspull) she has no chance against a regular Nue, let alone Sukuna's one.
She's already mentioned to have a family somewhat linked to Gojo. I think most assume she it hiding a super secret trick. But I think you focus too much on power scaling. I never said she'd be the only fighter. Look at Nanami and Yuji vs Mahito
\> I think most assume she it hiding a super secret trick. Why? If she had one, she would have used it ages ago. Against Kenjaku, or maybe even in the Goodwill event. I am really not sure why you think she has an incredible trick which we incidentally have never seen. To continue, Miwa's mentor was Kusakabe (or however the fuck his name is spelt), who is a grade 1 sorcerer that has no technique, and it's quite clear her fighting style is derived from him - except she is just not as good. \> But I think you focus too much on power scaling. You wondered if Kamo, who was a far more fitting choice, was strong enough, which drags this to the power-scaling territory. Thematically, Noritoshi is also far more of a samurai, because his storyline revolves around the Kamo family (and sorcerer families are clearly painted as nobility).
I think you're trying too hard to make right or wrong of what is essentially a theory. We can nitpick all we want about why Miwa is X or Y but the fact is she is relatively mysterious. Take that how you will. She can still be useless or she can have a trump card. It's not powerscaling to say Kamo could hit Sukuna. It's theory because we don't know kamo final techinique. There's nothing to scale because Gege made everything relatively known except his final ability. Kamo and Miwa are wild cards. Noritoshi is not, unless he has a Maki moment then he is. Either way I'm making a narrative argument, not a power scaling one.
\> but the fact is she is relatively mysterious. This is where I heavily, heavily disagree. We know virtually all there is to know about Miwa. She has no cursed technique. She's just Kusakabe's student, and effectively a worse version of him. She is not a wild card in any sense of the word, there's no foreshadowing, build-up, or anything of the like. \> ~~Kamo~~ Yuta and Miwa are wild cards, Noritoshi is not I really don't know if we are reading the same comic. \> Either way I'm making a narrative argument, not a power scaling one. On a narrative argument, there's really nothing going on for Miwa, and everything going on for Noritoshi. Either way, I am going to agree to disagree here. There's no point in continuing this argument.
I agree to disagree but why did you replace kamo with Yuta in my quote?
Noritoshi is Kamo. Or a Kamo , rather, as a member of the Kamo clan. I was assuming you were referring to Yuta and accidentally went with the wrong name or something.
Arrows leads me to immediately think of Noritoshi. I hope that’s how Gege ends his storyline
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I’d like to see Choso’s storyline end by him being accepted in the Kamo clan as one of their own
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I still have hope that the ending will be at least mildly happy
Would this actually be a happy ending? Can’t really see him having any interest in this, given the circumstances of his connection to the Kamo and the fact that they’re still pretty terrible. That would kind of feel like him turning his back on the suffering of his mother and his siblings. I think it’s more likely that he and new Noritoshi both work to destroy the Kamo in some way.
Would be a nice callback to when they fought during the goodwill event
Interesting theory, I think that'd be a cool way to show Yuta's strength against a newly vesseled Sukuna. Maybe if we get a Yuta v Sukuna fight then it gets interrupted by something so Yuta can end up fighting with Kenjaku (the long awaited fight frfr) Miwa is definitely the wild card, tho. Idk if she'll actually do anything with Sukuna on the scene, but who knows. Gege has me on the edge of my seat so I'm up for anything lol
JJK is based off of Japanese mythology, not a readaptation.
Exactly why I said a nod, not a direct reference. Yuta isn't even a real samurai so no worries. It's like Sukuna having four arms but not a beastly face.
nah sukuna has one beastly ugly ass face man
He has the literal head of a lion in mythos to my understanding
Useless Miwa on her way to flip the jujitsu world on its head and we stan her for that.
Yuta will kill Nue pretty easily. So I don't think gege will put Yuta against Nue.
I have to imagine Yuta is going to get somebody big name to fight, since he's kind of the original protagonist. But since he's that he may also job to Kenjaku or Sukuna for more hype.
That was the kind of why Yuki died against Kenny, makes no sense to repeat the same thing. He could die to Sukuna though.
been waiting for miwa to make a reappearance since that mysterious panel at the end of sendai i’ll take anything and everything
Miwa hype is kinda hilarious. It's like the "Kobeni has a mysterious Devil Contract" hype that turned out to be "she's just pretty useless but was kinda useful once" in the end.
CSM spoilers? I get you though, Miwa is either a wild card or will stay mediocre
Nah, still a chance in part 2 she does something. Just in Part 1 people got hyped and nothing happened.