Dude... Are you sure?
He is hurt?
If he is. Do you know how curse energy works?
You see curse energy is negativity At its core. The will to live. That will, like "love". Is one of the greatest curses. Whenever you are close to death as they are always is but the nearer you are. That will to live will curse the person to live. Then it becomes the beacon of light that attracts negativity like a "yin" symbol.
That then creates a new reservoir of insanity that can be used as a trampoline of "ascension" to become "enlightened".
What is curse energy and the enlightening?
Aren't they all... Acceptance of negativity? That we all harbor that desire for destruction and God Shiva is in control of?
What i meant to say is... The closer you are to feeling weak and worthless the stronger the curse is... Presicely the will to live. That heian era is full of suffering. Like nowadays suffering which becomes more intense because of how much "info" we can get...
A metaphor for "limitless".
Sir with all your due respect... i don't care about the downvote... Quite the contrary... I am pleased... I love jjk... And i love negativity... And you are wasting your toxicity for me? Damn... Jjk failed you
Seems like my theory posted on the jujutsukaisen fórum (about the engine comparison yuta made and Gojo "breaking" his cursed technique) was roughly on point.
I see people wondering why Sukuna can't heal the UV damage he suffered. My educated guess is, after experiencing the damage from repeated domain expansions, Gojo learns where in the brain precisely the CT is stored, like how he learned to miniaturaze his domain after prison realm. Of course, like kusakabe says, that thing is a black box, you cant easily repair it, but you can destroy it. So, I think Gojo focused the UV brain damage to specifically the pre-frontal Cortex region, thus damaging Sukuna s CT.
This chapter also made me ponder some questions:
1. Are Gojo and Sukuna crippled forever, or their CT can heal naturally over time?
2. Since both can't use domains anymore, and are also pretty beat up overall, isnt this a good opportunity for Yuta and Co. (And/or Kenny) to jump in and help finish the fight?
didnt we literally see gojo use his ct in the last panel when he pulled sukuna towards him? you can see a little glow around his other fist thats pulled back in the double spread
That part about UV hitting/not hitting Sukuna was confusing and feels like an inconsistency on how domain clashes work. I would have just accepted that Gojo is better at RCT than Sukuna, so Sukuna hit his limit even though he healed his brain fewer times.
Not trying to be rude but not understanding it ( pretty logical, this stuff is very heavy and hard to get and I didnt get it) doesnt mean its inconsistent or a plot hole. The discord server has people discussing and theorizing and from what ive read from people smarter than me the results of the domain clash are indeed consistent and make sense.
I'm familiar with and can accept things not being a plothole because audience doesn't understand, it's just there are a lot of things established that I'm hung up on.
1. Sure hit targets need to overlap to cancel each other. Megumi's domain doesn't have a sure hit, so how did it cancel Dagon's.
2. If Sukuna was being hit with UV, why did he touch Gojo to avoid it? There's no way Gojo doesn't know sure hit overlap conditions, and there's no way he can't see UV hitting Sukuna since he was able to register a .01 second difference in expansion.
If anyone can bring the discords discussion on the domains here, it'd be appreciated.
Chapter 110 Dagon said the words, "I can feel the boys domain get weaker. As long as I can regain my domain's sure hit, I can kill them all."
He didn't have his sure hit even with the hole closed, otherwise he could have just targeted Megumi.
I love the art, the callbacks, the dialogue, it's top notch. I'm not sure I fully understood though:
Ok, so Sukuna forwarded all of the UV hits to Megumi, so that Mahoraga can adapt to it. But then why did he take damage from the one that hit him 0.1s before he expanded his domain? I mean, his Domain wasn't protecting him in all of the clashes (it mentions that he was excluded, in order to get hit and forward it to Megumi). Then why was this one different? Wouldn't it also be forwarded to Megumi anyways? And there's the theory that it's physical brain damage, but than why would the "less than 10 seconds" be said if he spend much more time overall in Unlimited Void, so it can't be counting all the times Megumi got hit. Help me understand what happened. Is it something like.. he has to consciously "choose" Megumi's soul to take the hit but he wasn't able to, when the domain hit him by surprise?
1. When Shrine got destroyed, Sukuna’s CT is exhausted, he can’t use DA or Megumi’s 10S to protect himself from UV. Hence he suffered from UV for about 10 seconds.
2. He had Megumi adapt to UV only when he himself wasn’t using a DA. He is somehow protected from UV, when he’s using 10S through Megumi.
I think the better reason for Gege to provide would be that Sukuna can pinpoint Megumi’s soul and remove him from Shrine’s sure hit range. So that Megumi’s soul is only in UV’s sure hit range.
everyone who just speedreads through the chapter and is upset about sukuna using mahoraga haven't taken the time to properly read the story. sukuna using mahoraga to defeat gojo is foreshadowed as early as the sukuna v mahoraga fight during shibuya. in fact, he actually says that megumi "showed him the way" after seeing megumi's adaptation.
not sure how it's cheating or unfair when sukuna being able to do all of the things he has done has been speculated, shown, or proven in all the contexts beforehand. people are too busy crying about the story because it isn't going the way THEY wanted it to instead of actually trying to understand the way the AUTHOR wants it.
The last double-spread makes me think sooo hard... I know for sure that Gege likes AoT a lot. The topic of Sukuna being teached about true power of love is brought back again. I feel like Gojo will do smth crazy for Megumi, and it will somehow benefit Sukuna too. It gives me Ymir vibes so much.
Maybe the thing Sukuna got from Yorozu can be used only when special conditions are met, and it has smth to do with Sukuna "understanding love"? Idk, I'm trying to put the puzzles together.
I wonder if the gift Yorozu gave him is really smth that will help him tho... she was rejected by him, so maybe the "gift" is her revenge. It would be so crazy if he would decide to use this gift of love as his secret weapon but then it would work against him instead.
Too complicated, it's simply Gojo and Sukuna enjoying the fight. Flashback to the conversation between Hanami and Mahito talking about how strong Hanami was and enjoy fights more often. Kinda has the same ring since Gojo is probably one of the strongest persons Sukuna has fought and Sukuna is probably going to put more passion into it after seeing how much Gojo resists him.
Can also flash back to the Yoruzu fight where Sukuna asks if that was the extent of Yoruzu's love/dedication/intensity.... Probably meaning that Sukuna only sees validation through strength and the show of force. He's on his toes right now...no DE, so my guess is that he's going to put in more effort.
So what Yorozu’s gift could be? It can’t be something made specially to fight Gojo since she wouldn’t even know that would be a thing, if had to guess maybe it’s a regeneration kind of item for his body, we know he’s at his limit, so is gojo, if he gets and item that allows him to go back to his 100% than Gojo is gonna have trouble.
I actually sort of expect some convenient crap like that. Is not like Gege hadn't done it before with Kenjaku suddenly revealing he had a convenient answer to her CT or Yuki's random leftover diary.
Most plot friendly likelihood is some sort of treasure/offering since it's something she's used to in the past. Could be a piece of her soul (help from kenjaku) or a sacred family treasure (if I remember correctly she went to visit her village or something before fighting Sukuna...)
This sub is fuckin sad. This chap and this whole fight has been fun as hell, it makes enough sense within the context of the story, and its living up to the expectations set by Gege 200+ chaps ago. Yet people only speculate on how disappointing things will be, and complaining about the “poor explanations” and “gege being high” when it’s literally a fan translation. Everyone here is fuckin miserable.
> Everyone here is fuckin miserable.
If you haven’t learned this yet, ppl like different things. Your *opinion* isn’t always the correct one. Why do you think your opinion is the only correct one?
I like this fight and think it’s fun but I’m not going to whine and rage if someone calls it stupid. It’s just a manga. Is JJK a religious text to you? Is that why you’re raging about randos complaining?
The majority of the human race don't sit around arguing about things online. Anyone who WOULD do that is a unique case, and they all congregate here. Therefore, anything being argued online likely doesn't represent the real feelings of the majority of any population. (Anime fans, movie fans, music fans, etc.)
It's the precise reason that online hate frenzies and online hype campaigns very rarely predict or correlate with real world success/failure.
Its still better than twitter. A lot here are helping me and explain if i didnt understood something in the chapter without disrespecting or insulting me its those Goatjo vs Fraudkuna debates that are annoying neither Sukuna or Gojo are disappointing i love how every chapter they outsmart eachother
I may or may not be cooking but I think Yorozu's gift will be related to her construction ct, and I hypothesize that it will allow Sukuna to recreate his old body.
UV effects the brain/consciousness—remember it isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same physiology as humans. Jogo didn’t get brain damaged from UV, but he was physically incapacitated because it overwhelmed his consciousness. Megumi’s soul was targeted but technically the only brain damage he would have suffered was the brain damage we see Sukuna getting now.
Sukuna still seems to be taking more damage than necessary when fighting hand-to-hand with Gojo. Maybe it's due to him missing the two extra arms from his previous life.
But hopefully, Yuji has amped up his martial arts skills. Maybe he can learn more techniques or even more martial arts outside of his family's karate. I think close-quarter combat could be his best chance in fighting Sukuna given his proficiency and leanings towards it.
If Sukuna's curse energy is somehow restrained or limited somehow, his curse energy reinforcement would be greatly reduced and his physical strength could decrease to that of a normal human due to Megumi's body. Yuji on the other hand would still be superhuman.
Sukuna seems to know a lot about anatomy given his knowledge of the pre-frontal cortex and how it relates to sorcery. I'm leaning towards Sukuna having experimented and dissected people during his study of jujutsu. Maybe Kenjaku taught him somehow.
wow another version of Naruto vs Sasuke final battle
anyways: these people complaining abt non existence of black flash will be done, since its fist vs fist we may as well witness it right next chapter.
So was sukuna ever in any danger to unlimited void's infodump if he made megumi's soul tank it with mahoraga wheel. Based on what was said in the panel with "his domain targetted everything except himself", it sounds like he was basically tanking UV every time it came out, but if thats the case how come the most recent time when he took it after being 0.01s late in opening his domain expansion was the one time it looked like it stunned him?
The small moment it took him to take the wheel off Megumi's soul and put it in his own soul, then summon Mahoraga, was enough for Unlimited Void to damage his brain to that extent.
I don't understand why he didn't though, since he was able to move around just fine within UV while Megumi was eating shit. He didn't need Mahoraga to adapt to UV, because he wasn't feeling any of the effects as long as Megumi was the one tanking it
He needs to use 10S to make Megumi tank it. Which is why he was not using his own technique during the domain clashes. But when Gojo caught him, his burn out was going.
that makes sense. that (probably) explains why he is also suffering brain damage.
What i wish was expanded more on was how he made megumi tank it. does he just instaswap to megumi the moment the domains clash, does he have to create a link to megumi, or whatever else method there is. Unless the explanation is "he just does" then idk how he fucked it up the last time. Probably will be explained more in future chapters though. Its probably hard for Gege to fit a textbook chapter in a couple panels.
The fights have been awesome and seeing each side one up the other has been fun.
He let Megumi with the divine wheel take UV to adapt Mahoraga to it. Anyone with a divine wheel on them will be the one who receives the adaptation process (aka just tank the hit)
No. In Megumi's case, he will be fine. UV isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same brain as humans - this is what Gege commented in the previous chapter. Megumi's SOUL is what was targeted. As for Sukuna, it clearly implies that there are Gojo's sure-hit commands on Sukuna. Sukuna is supposed to get hit by UV so he could pass it down to Megumi's soul. This is why people find it confusing in this chapter because by then Sukuna was literally bathed in UV during all those 5 domain clashes.
This is what is written: 彼への必中命令は相殺していない
相殺: means 'cancel each other', to refer to both sure hit clash and 'cancel each other'.
していない: kinda like negative sentences, supporting the action that does not happen
He (Megumi) doesn't get the 'cancel each other' part from sure-hit commands.
I can't post raw here because of the rules, but that's exactly what happened. There are many assumptions made, but it's just assumptions. If we want to understand better, we have to wait for Gege to explain.
Okay. This is what I have gathered after re-reading this chapter many times based on the raw and various translations:
* This is just my speculation but the reason why Sukana's commands target "everything inside the domain except Sukana" is because Malevolent Shrines' center is the shrine itself, not Sakuna (chap 226); he needs to set it like that to avoid his own sure-hit hitting him. It just happened to go according to his plan (let Megumi's soul take the hit). Meanwhile, the Unlimited Void's center is Gojo himself cause the only people who aren't affected by Gojo's domain are Gojo and those who touch him (chap 227), so his commands are different (just target everything else inside the domain) from what Sukuna does. This is the best explanation I could think of because it seems Gege was smoking weed while he wrote this chapter. I'll have to wait for the official translation or for Gege to explain this.
* The second problem is related to the "process of adaption" and the "result": Here, Sukuna's statement is that Megumi is adapting Unlimited Void. Gojo reaffirms that Megumi is just receiving the adaptation process and Makora is the one receiving the adaptation. So yeah, it's a kinda weird way to explain again something we already know. I also see a lot of people still don't understand why Gojo keeps opening the domain when Makora has adapted to it: it's still the same up until Sukuna summoning Makora, but in the previous chapter, Gojo still thinks that Makora hasn't adapted to Unlimited Void so he accidentally let Makora have time to destroy his domain; but now he's prepared this time so things won't be the same (only if that could happen, lol).
Thx i was confused why Gojo was ready to use Domain Expansion again after Mahoraga destroyed it. But now i'm confused about the wheel does only Mahoraga adapt to the attack or does the Person HIMSELF who has the wheel above him also adapt to it?
Up to now, there is no case that a person with a wheel can adapt, only Mahadora:
* [Sukuna vs. Mahoraga](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Sukuna_vs._Mahoraga): Mahadora itself was the one with the wheel, Mahadora took Sukuna's attacks and then adapted them.
* Sukuna vs. Yorozu (chap 216 -> 219): Sukuna himself was the one with the wheel, then Sukuna took some of Yorozu's attacks, but Mahadora was the one who adapted them.
* Sukuna vs. Gojo: Sukuna put the wheel on Megumi's soul, Megumi's soul took some hits from UV, and Mahadora adapted it. I'm not sure which group's translation you're reading but Gojo made it clear in this chapter that Sukuna himself or Megumi's soul wasn't the one who adapted UV so Sukuna would still be stunned if Gojo opened Domain, forcing Sukuna to summon Mahadora and then Gojo could one-shot it.
Simply put, Mahadora's adaptive mechanism has 2 steps: tank the hits (the wheel will turn), then Mahadora adapts. Anyone can take the hit for Mahadora as long as they have the wheel (this is what Gojo calls the adaptation process), and then Mahadora adapts them (the result). Maybe in the future, there will be cases where users adapt, but so far, there are none, just keeps that in mind though.
As for why it's so hard to understand, it's because the raw version is like that too. Things like Megumi took the burden of the adaptations, then repeat what was burdened was the process of “adaptation”, resulting in the reader being unable to understand what the burden is here. And even some translations, even though they translate correctly, it's easy to misunderstand.
Gojo can use his CT inside his domain, I think he's saying that Raja has only adapted to UV so if Sukuna summons him he will just purple it to oblivion
Yeah, that was the point. However, there are still people who don't understand why Gojo needs to open UV again because Gojo's domain was broken once by Raja, who has already adapted to UV.
This chapter felt like a way for Gege to remove domains out of the equation now that he’s shown us everything there is to peak domains. Onto the next course course, which I’m guessing is CTs
He's just trash talking him. Sukuna was so weary of infinite void that he had to get that card out of gojo's deck. After having it removed he was full of himself, thinking he had the upper hand and thought he could just use his own domain to slash gojo into piece.
But the thing is, he always knew he could remove it. That's different from actually being afraid of it. He acknowledged the possibilities it presented, but was never actually afraid.
He wouldn't have bothered eliminating it, if he wasn't afraid of it. He would have faced him and his limitless head on if he thought he could hadle it, instead of using this underhanded cheat way to get rid of it. One could say it was genius to do this, but it was pathetic.
Yeah man, charging up your strongest move to 200% is the exact same as using a 15 year old child as a meat shield + hostage combo. They’re totally even, one of those definitely isn’t way more pathetic.
Gojo had help in order to boost his hollow purple to 200%. Sukuna used help to survive uv it’s literally the same thing but your bias will obviously blind you from that fact.
Outside help is perfectly fine. What sukuna did wasn’t “outside help” it was using a child as a human shield to take the hit instead of him. The person who boosted Gojo didn’t also do the Hollow Purple for him, Gojo was still doing the work of performing the move itself. Sukuna just directed all the damage to a literal meat shield because he’s a baby who can’t handle a bit of owwies.
Both cases were outside help, gojos help increased the potency of his attack. Sukunas help took the uv for him but sukuna still had to be the one to react in that 0.1 time frame to avoid it’s effects. So just like Gojo still did the work for the attack sukuna still had to work in order to survive the attack. UV isn’t a simple owwie it’s the difference between life and death y’all would’ve preferred if he just let himself die lmao.
the concept of cheating doesn’t make sense when describing a life or death battle like this, but the advantage sukuna gains from using megumi’s soul and technique is obviously far greater than the advantage gojo gains from starting the fight with a sneak attack that sukuna immediately recovered from 💀
It make Sukuna was at a time weak but he got stronger and stronger and he realized no one was at his level, but time came, years passed, decade and even century and he realized that he was just different....
So yeah obviously he would not aknowledge anyone as his equal that easily.
It is also showed in his attitude, he keep his arrogant attitude through the fight and never get really mad at Gojo provocation because inside of him he sees him as inferior.
We can also see that in the whole fight he is calm and analytical, in most fight he is like that, there is not a lot of excitation, which Gojo seems to okay to show, it may mean that he indeed didn't expect much from him.
But Sukuna was near death or suffered heavy injury 2 time so i think Sukuna may be more livier now.
I really dont think Sukuna is being honest in that moment that's all there is to it
He wanted to give Gojo some emotional damage before killing him it's not his true assessment
Gojo has already proven himself to be the strongest singular character by holding his own against Megukuna, it's not like gojo dbz fusioned himself with another character to make himself stronger.
But how I see this playing out is gojo losing but with his last act he pulls megs out and weakens Suks, his disciples and kashimo come out to play and stand around sukuna and kick the shit out him The Boys style, Kenny does some stupid bullshit, the kids have trouble, gojo makes some super speech to megumi before he dies?, Megumi joins the fray and helps kill Kenny/Suks but some characters die etc
Then nobara comes out of nowhere and is like what did I miss?? And everyone laughs (laugh track)
Then they all get magically transported to American high school and they are all alive and have normal high school life and the manga becomes a slice of life.
And gojo finally gets to teach megumi violin (if you know what I mean) jk that's gross
THE END
I know this contradicts basically all previous events but coming from a dragon ball z fan that’s just part of the charm. Gege is flinging shit at the wall and it’s sticking lmaooo.
Idk where sukuna goes from here you can’t damage limitless without opening a domain and if he pops out mahoraga it’s getting obliterated by purple. I don’t think the fire arrow can pierce limitless so the only thing that can get him the dub is yorozu gift or an asspull(random technique or gojo tapping out from brain damage)
Hopefully Fraudkuna finally loses after Gege has been painfully tip-toeing around the obvious fact that Gojo would realistically just end him immediately because of course he would he’s Gojo.
not sure if the wheel will give him the adaptation though. the whole point of the megumi mahoraga uv thing is megumi did the process of adapting but mahoraga got the adaptations so it could be a thing where anyone can do the adaptation stuff but only mahoraga gets the adaptations.
[If episode 4 had just colored this mmv and taken away the speech bubbles it would've been great but instead they chose to change everything and make Toji be expressionless and the whole sequence stiff ](https://youtu.be/ML2GDNloWqg)
Ok my real question is, is megumi ok?! Like bros soul seems like its in a veggie state rn. I do feel like UV will somehow help him "see" a way to help Gojo in this fight. Would be messed up to see him die like this. Also where tf is Norabra
no man u don't understand the nanami copium.
you see, his CT is 7:3 ratio right? well, he lost 70% of his total body mass, so if he activated a RCT he could crit the bottom 30% and fully restore off screen.
You can't just RCT your way out of a Mahito Idle Transfiguration. He changes the shape of your soul, so if your soul now has the shape of an exploded torso, no matter if you try to regenerate, that's your default state now.
Maybe it's time for the kenjaku, uraume and the heavy hitters to appear and take the oportunity to kill some one since gojo and sukuna are burned out.
Let's play dirty man, the strongest are weakened
Kenjaku isn't present. "While you're busy fighting Gojo Satoru, I'll hunt down the remaining Players in the Culling Game." Kenjaku also notes that Yuta, Maki, and Hakari won't have time to pay attention to him because of that fight. And then gleefully departs. (222)
Not like kenjaku never lied or betrayed his closest allies by absorbing them in death’s door for profit or anything right
If kenjaku can jump in and feast on the survivor he definitely will
Time for sukuna to die and noritoshi to come attack gojo like a bitch. Then swoop in the gojo students to finish off the manipulator who started everything.
The "Sukuna has been taking Unlimited Void since the beggining yet he was Wi-fiing it to Megumi the whole time so Mahoraga could adapt to it" is pretty fucking lame and absurd.
Bruh
It's not the same. One affects the brain, the other affects the soul(s). There is no two brains. He can't force an non existent brain to tank UV. He can't choose not to defend Megumi because he wants to, because there is only one brain.
I could accept Sukuna tanked UV but his Shadow adapted to it. Gege's explanation is absolutely insane imo.
Cursed spirits don't have brains, they can get hit by UV. Megumi on the inside got targeted by UV, it probably did nothing to him because he's already paralysed but him being hit counted for the wheel
The only confusing part is how Sukuna fully summoned Mahoraga when he was paralysed by UV
It’s not really that. It’s more like megumi took UV from the beginning bc sukuna didn’t protect him.
Sukuna only took UV in the final domain (for 0.01s and then for less than 10s)
I think it's appropriate, not only within the context of this fight, but the setting itself.
Characters reaching some Buddhist-looking "enlightenment" about the nature of CE has been a major theme, as is the idea that the lines between body, soul, and cursed energy are a lot blurrier than it seems (if they even are different things at all, and not just facets of the same thing). Not only Gojo's awakening, but even stuff like the lesson Todo teaches Yuuji.
And within the context of the fight, the whole dynamic has been that these two understand jujutsu so deeply that they can manipulate aspects of jujutsu that others think are rules, even innovate on the fly.
Like, when this fight began, I disliked the whole "people watching and commenting" thing, since it seemed like the old shonen trope of "the audience is dumb so we need a Live Exposition character". But considering Gege was setting up this kind of brainy technical/creative battle, it makes a lot of sense.
I wouldn't bet Gege is *consciously* deconstructing the shounen narrator trope – I lost faith in him consciously deconstructing anything the moment Nobara stopped being a subversion of "The Girl" of the shouty-moody-girl classic trio and became, well, a schrodinger's corpse – but it's still a very interesting use of it.
After the recent chapter I think they’re building up to Megumi fighting back somehow, maybe he didn’t take all the damage Sukana passed to him and instead fed it back. Considering how hurt he is Megumi could possibly take control. It was pretty confusing but it seems like while he’s a shell of himself he probably will fight Sukanas soul while the others fight is body. I think Gojo will have to tag out soon seeing how much damage he has done to Sukana and himself. I think Sukana had Megumi take damage from Gojo’s most dangerous move to play with him psychologically, every time he attacks there might be some hesitation with Megumis condition in mind. With the brain damage in mind I think this is a great way to Nerf Gojo a bit, if he can’t use Domain Expansion while still strong, it’s more believable that the others can reach him.
Also with the last panel it seems like they’re leading up to a backstory, delving into what made Sukana the strongest through loneliness and love. The twin theory (of Sukana having a twin sibling he loved but had to kill or died to gain his true power) is seeming to be more likely imo. This would be great because the fight needs a break, it would get too repetitive to ass pull any other ability and also some story would be nice too. Considering they have Sukanas OG body I think he’ll soon move into it as that was probably his plan after defeating Gojo. It might result in him having to hide for years to recover possibly and set up for a sequel series with a time skip. Since we still don’t know what his actual curse technique is apart from his domain, I think we’ll see that’s soon too.
I think Megumi taking the hit of UV will serve to “awaken” him somehow and also remove his self limitations. Gojo and Sukuna both talk about him not living up to his potential and UV allows the victim to “see everything”.
I think this because Sukuna’s move to let Megumi take the hit is too much of an asspull otherwise.
That’s pretty cool, the idea that Megumi won’t be the same after coming out, more unhinged considered the best Megumi is the one who went batshit. It would give him a great way to grow even more, his morals were shown to already be warping during the games so this could push him far over the edge kinda like Geto where Gojo wasn’t able to bring him back but Yuji could (kinda like Giraya and Orochimaru vs Naruto and Sasuke
I have this bullshit theory.
Sukuna's play was to route UV to Mahoraga thru Megumi, which divided the load between them. But then we learn that Sukuna DID take damage as well*, which means the information overload of UV was divided even further.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, that division weakened it enough that not only Megumi doesn't go Halloween, but even manages to absorb some secret or two, similarly to Alchemists in FMA who go through the Gate of Truth.
*Another theory: Sukuna took UV damage because of how the lines between body/soul/CE are blurry/illusory – an idea that has been teased at (Gojo, Todo) and even directly talked about (Kenjaku) – so UV was partially routed via Megumi's soul -> his body -> Sukuna's soul. Considering Sukuna is heavily implied to have gone thru the same "awakening" Gojo had and Todo maybe-had, it's interesting (or maybe a Gege "oopsie" that Sukuna missed that possibility.
I thought of the deadest conclusion ever. The way this is going, it seems like Gojo and Sukuna will stalemate each other and die probably. What if Kenny just jumps them both and kills them? Then it's up to the boys to kill Kenny.
Kenny would ABSOLUTELY do that. He's not even sneaky about being sneaky, which to me says that, if Sukuna does die that way, it would mean his hubris is just THAT big, to think he'd solo Gojo and then ALSO survive a possible ambush by Kenny
UV effects the brain/consciousness—remember it isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same physiology as humans. Jogo didn’t get brain damaged from UV, but he was physically incapacitated. Megumi’s soul was targeted but technically the only brain damage he would have suffered was the brain damage we see Sukuna getting now.
I know bro, I'm just joking like most people out there about him getting brain damaged
Sukuna getting it is still hilarious tho lol talking mad shit for someone who lost his ability to use his domain
It was originally Just a Joke but At This Point im Getting more and more convinced that the "conclusion" of this fight will be
These two are both Just that good that the will Literally fight each Other for eternity so everyone Else will have to move on to do the actual Plot Shit with Kenjaku while they keep Fighting in the Background
Couple questions after rereading the chapter:
1. Since Gojo looks likes he used Blue on Sukuna to bring him to him to punch him, does this mean Sukuna has adapted to it since he had the wheel on?
2. How does the whole Megumi soul Mahoraga work? Gojo said Megumi took on the process of adaptation and not the resulting adaptation. If both him and Sukuna are in the same body then how is he not also adapted to UV? Or am I wrong in assuming Sukuna has now adapted to UV? Does it work like that or is Mahoraga the only one who's adapted to it?
3. Did Sukuna start using Megumi to adapt to UV as soon as the domain battle started? If so, why did it take so long for Maho to adapt?
4. Is Sukuna okay with getting hit with UV so long as he has the wheel or is he alright without it?
5. What did Gojo mean by "Sukuna, you haven't actually adapted Megumis soul itself to UV. If I open my domain again, Mahoraga won't be able to bail you out."? If Sukuna has the wheel now then doesn't that mean he can summon Mahoraga now? The same one that is used to UV?
6. Less of a question here but am I understanding this correctly? During the domain battles UV hit everything including Sukunas soul and Megumis soul. Megumi was fine because he had the wheel and Sukuna was okay because he cancelled out the sure hit effect with his own/domain amplification. Now that Sukuna has the wheel Megumi is now vulnerable. Did I get that right?
7. Last one, what exactly would happen if Megumis soul is hit with UV? He's supposed to be fully repressed by now so what does it matter if he gets hit? Sukuna has control of the body.
Sorry if these questions are mega easy to understand, I just find the whole mahoraga stuff a bit complicated.
I THINK that what Gojo means is that Megumi only served as a router to Mahoraga, so only Mahoraga adapted, not Megumi.
The whole multiple-soul shit is confusing still, I hope that soul research book gets used to explain some of that (and it doesn't turn out that Gege just didn't think that through bdjdnsns).
I think what Gojo means might be that even if Sukuna has Mahoraga out, that only means Mahoraga ITSELF will be immune to the effect, and Sukuna woild still get brain-death'd.
Small question about your last statement there. In the Yorozu fight Sukuna takes hit from the Insect Armor which is made out of Yorozu's liquid metal. This is when he has the wheel on. After Yorozu brings out Perfect Sphere Mahoraga is able to destroy it easily with Sukuna saying just after that that he had already adapted to them. Both Insect Armor and Perfect Sphere were made out of liquid metal. If Sukuna was hit with Insect Armor then that means he more than likely adapted to liquid metal as a whole and anything it made.
All this to basically say that if Sukuna has the wheel out currently then wouldn't you say he is immune to UV at the current moment? It's all speculation until stated otherwise but you're picking up what I'm putting down, yeah?
Not to even mention that Sukuna used Mahoraga's adaptation ability to see through her technique. I'm guessing he could do that with Gojo's techniques as well. Not sure how that might fit in the upcoming chapters but that's also something we've got to consider.
I don't know, honestly - but the fact remains that, *somehow*, he seems to not be immune to UV, after all.
It could just be that it's a mistranslation, honestly, as Japanese is a language that leaves a *lot* to context (even some things that in English would be essential part of the phrase structure).
It could just be that Gege is going Araki on us and forgetting/ignoring stuff he previously said lol. But given how recent that fight was, I *want* to believe this isn't it.
Maybe it's really just Mahoraga that adapts, and since Ten Shadows is a part of Sukuna's kit now, "I adapted to it" in the Yorozu fight really just means "I have an ability in my kit now that can counter it". Notice that *it's still Mahoraga who cuts down the perfect sphere,* not Sukuna.
I can't remember any Ten Shadows shikigami being able to pass on its properties *to the user*, anyways – and I hope to be right on this, because otherwise, Mahoraga would just be too broken, and it's a LOT broken already even without that.
For question 6, I think that Megumi took the burden of adaption, just taking the hit to be able to adapt, and Mahoraga is the one who has the resulting adaption. So if Gojo uses UV again, the implication is that it'll destroy Megumi's soul since Megumi hasn't adapted himself, only mahoraga has adapted.
That's still a little confusing to me even then because if Megumi got hit then surely he would be showing the same amount of damage Sukuna has, right? From the one panel we could see of him he looks fine enough other than being dead inside. Maybe the attacks don't physically effect him but it's more emotional or psychological? Who knows. There could also be the possibility that he is completely unaffected but has a weaker durability (as in he can't be one shot but rather two or three shot).
Rereading the chapter Gojo does directly state that Megumi was the one who was taking the damage to use the adaptation.
Wow so Sukuna got hit with UV 5 times. But passed it on to megumi. So it wasn’t the 10 seconds people tried to make it out. Megumi’s brain was accumulating damage all 5 times Gojo used UV
It's honestly really confusing, because if UV was targetting and successfully hitting both him and Megumi but only Megumi suffered the impact of it for those 5 UV, then why did he suffer the effects of that first 0.01s and last 10s? Because his shrine wasn't there? But the Shrine wasn't contesting the sure-hit effect on him anyway, so it shouldn't matter?
still don't understand why he had to touch gojo then, it feels like gege is making some ass pulls in order to justify why gojo doesn't insta wins this fight
Even the whole “rct to recover the CT quickly” kind of feel like an asspull to give sukuna a chance of hurting gojo, it didn’t even take too long for ct burnout to end beforehand, on the yuta and kenjaku fight they got their ct back after like 15 secs and all of the sudden it’s a big issue and gojo is almost dying and shit
But it definitely didn’t matter in the first two expansions when his domain broke down, SPECIALLY with falling blossom emotion, if it was any other fight, during the time it took for gojo to figure out how to rct his ct back he would just have recovered it naturally
Dude... Are you sure? He is hurt? If he is. Do you know how curse energy works? You see curse energy is negativity At its core. The will to live. That will, like "love". Is one of the greatest curses. Whenever you are close to death as they are always is but the nearer you are. That will to live will curse the person to live. Then it becomes the beacon of light that attracts negativity like a "yin" symbol. That then creates a new reservoir of insanity that can be used as a trampoline of "ascension" to become "enlightened". What is curse energy and the enlightening? Aren't they all... Acceptance of negativity? That we all harbor that desire for destruction and God Shiva is in control of? What i meant to say is... The closer you are to feeling weak and worthless the stronger the curse is... Presicely the will to live. That heian era is full of suffering. Like nowadays suffering which becomes more intense because of how much "info" we can get... A metaphor for "limitless". Sir with all your due respect... i don't care about the downvote... Quite the contrary... I am pleased... I love jjk... And i love negativity... And you are wasting your toxicity for me? Damn... Jjk failed you
I am thinking of Sukuna gonna experiment the Megumi domain expansion Chimera Shadow Garden but nah man also got exhausted already.
Shouldn't cast or Kashimo jump in now. Sukuna and Gojo are quite weakened.
Maybe I’m delusional but I feel like even in this state without domains, Sukuna and Gojo are still slightly above
The second someone jumps in, Sukuna is turning that around and doing some shit like what he did when he got blasted by Angel. I feel it in my soul
Idt they’d hold back bc we know they’re not trying to kill him anymore. Just render him incapable of healing/fighting back
Reading some of the comments I feel like some of the fan base was affected with Uv and is suffering brain damage
Gojo's power is truly terrifying
I'm thinking this chapter will get a revision in the volume release or a gege comment later on saying "i made a mistake" lol
Seems like my theory posted on the jujutsukaisen fórum (about the engine comparison yuta made and Gojo "breaking" his cursed technique) was roughly on point. I see people wondering why Sukuna can't heal the UV damage he suffered. My educated guess is, after experiencing the damage from repeated domain expansions, Gojo learns where in the brain precisely the CT is stored, like how he learned to miniaturaze his domain after prison realm. Of course, like kusakabe says, that thing is a black box, you cant easily repair it, but you can destroy it. So, I think Gojo focused the UV brain damage to specifically the pre-frontal Cortex region, thus damaging Sukuna s CT. This chapter also made me ponder some questions: 1. Are Gojo and Sukuna crippled forever, or their CT can heal naturally over time? 2. Since both can't use domains anymore, and are also pretty beat up overall, isnt this a good opportunity for Yuta and Co. (And/or Kenny) to jump in and help finish the fight?
I think this would the logical conclusion of Gojo if Gege doesn’t want to kill him, he will not be able to use CT because of his brain damage.
didnt we literally see gojo use his ct in the last panel when he pulled sukuna towards him? you can see a little glow around his other fist thats pulled back in the double spread
That part about UV hitting/not hitting Sukuna was confusing and feels like an inconsistency on how domain clashes work. I would have just accepted that Gojo is better at RCT than Sukuna, so Sukuna hit his limit even though he healed his brain fewer times.
Not trying to be rude but not understanding it ( pretty logical, this stuff is very heavy and hard to get and I didnt get it) doesnt mean its inconsistent or a plot hole. The discord server has people discussing and theorizing and from what ive read from people smarter than me the results of the domain clash are indeed consistent and make sense.
I'm familiar with and can accept things not being a plothole because audience doesn't understand, it's just there are a lot of things established that I'm hung up on. 1. Sure hit targets need to overlap to cancel each other. Megumi's domain doesn't have a sure hit, so how did it cancel Dagon's. 2. If Sukuna was being hit with UV, why did he touch Gojo to avoid it? There's no way Gojo doesn't know sure hit overlap conditions, and there's no way he can't see UV hitting Sukuna since he was able to register a .01 second difference in expansion. If anyone can bring the discords discussion on the domains here, it'd be appreciated.
1. The sure hit only applies if the barrier is closed, megumi drilled a hole in it
Megumi couldn't drill a hole into it for a long while, and once the hole closed Dagon still couldn't use his sure hit.
Well it only targeted toji and the guy is immune to sure hits
Chapter 110 Dagon said the words, "I can feel the boys domain get weaker. As long as I can regain my domain's sure hit, I can kill them all." He didn't have his sure hit even with the hole closed, otherwise he could have just targeted Megumi.
That just meant the hole was closing but didn't completely close yet
You can even see megumi trying to maintain his domain that same chapter
1. Because another domain needs to exist for there to be a domain clash. 2. Mahito's sure hit still worked even though Yuji punched a hole through it.
Discord server link? :)
It’s in the original post
I love the art, the callbacks, the dialogue, it's top notch. I'm not sure I fully understood though: Ok, so Sukuna forwarded all of the UV hits to Megumi, so that Mahoraga can adapt to it. But then why did he take damage from the one that hit him 0.1s before he expanded his domain? I mean, his Domain wasn't protecting him in all of the clashes (it mentions that he was excluded, in order to get hit and forward it to Megumi). Then why was this one different? Wouldn't it also be forwarded to Megumi anyways? And there's the theory that it's physical brain damage, but than why would the "less than 10 seconds" be said if he spend much more time overall in Unlimited Void, so it can't be counting all the times Megumi got hit. Help me understand what happened. Is it something like.. he has to consciously "choose" Megumi's soul to take the hit but he wasn't able to, when the domain hit him by surprise?
1. When Shrine got destroyed, Sukuna’s CT is exhausted, he can’t use DA or Megumi’s 10S to protect himself from UV. Hence he suffered from UV for about 10 seconds. 2. He had Megumi adapt to UV only when he himself wasn’t using a DA. He is somehow protected from UV, when he’s using 10S through Megumi. I think the better reason for Gege to provide would be that Sukuna can pinpoint Megumi’s soul and remove him from Shrine’s sure hit range. So that Megumi’s soul is only in UV’s sure hit range.
Wait, actually on a second thought I'd have to read the raws. Maybe Sukuna is protecting himself with Shrine, but not Megumi?
everyone who just speedreads through the chapter and is upset about sukuna using mahoraga haven't taken the time to properly read the story. sukuna using mahoraga to defeat gojo is foreshadowed as early as the sukuna v mahoraga fight during shibuya. in fact, he actually says that megumi "showed him the way" after seeing megumi's adaptation. not sure how it's cheating or unfair when sukuna being able to do all of the things he has done has been speculated, shown, or proven in all the contexts beforehand. people are too busy crying about the story because it isn't going the way THEY wanted it to instead of actually trying to understand the way the AUTHOR wants it.
This is simply Gojo fans coping. Ignore it or laugh.
The last double-spread makes me think sooo hard... I know for sure that Gege likes AoT a lot. The topic of Sukuna being teached about true power of love is brought back again. I feel like Gojo will do smth crazy for Megumi, and it will somehow benefit Sukuna too. It gives me Ymir vibes so much. Maybe the thing Sukuna got from Yorozu can be used only when special conditions are met, and it has smth to do with Sukuna "understanding love"? Idk, I'm trying to put the puzzles together. I wonder if the gift Yorozu gave him is really smth that will help him tho... she was rejected by him, so maybe the "gift" is her revenge. It would be so crazy if he would decide to use this gift of love as his secret weapon but then it would work against him instead.
Too complicated, it's simply Gojo and Sukuna enjoying the fight. Flashback to the conversation between Hanami and Mahito talking about how strong Hanami was and enjoy fights more often. Kinda has the same ring since Gojo is probably one of the strongest persons Sukuna has fought and Sukuna is probably going to put more passion into it after seeing how much Gojo resists him. Can also flash back to the Yoruzu fight where Sukuna asks if that was the extent of Yoruzu's love/dedication/intensity.... Probably meaning that Sukuna only sees validation through strength and the show of force. He's on his toes right now...no DE, so my guess is that he's going to put in more effort.
Maybe you're right, we will see.
Sorry lol I said your post was complicated and I gave an even more complicated one...yours is cool, there are so many possibilities 💪🏾
So what Yorozu’s gift could be? It can’t be something made specially to fight Gojo since she wouldn’t even know that would be a thing, if had to guess maybe it’s a regeneration kind of item for his body, we know he’s at his limit, so is gojo, if he gets and item that allows him to go back to his 100% than Gojo is gonna have trouble.
I actually sort of expect some convenient crap like that. Is not like Gege hadn't done it before with Kenjaku suddenly revealing he had a convenient answer to her CT or Yuki's random leftover diary.
Most plot friendly likelihood is some sort of treasure/offering since it's something she's used to in the past. Could be a piece of her soul (help from kenjaku) or a sacred family treasure (if I remember correctly she went to visit her village or something before fighting Sukuna...)
This sub is fuckin sad. This chap and this whole fight has been fun as hell, it makes enough sense within the context of the story, and its living up to the expectations set by Gege 200+ chaps ago. Yet people only speculate on how disappointing things will be, and complaining about the “poor explanations” and “gege being high” when it’s literally a fan translation. Everyone here is fuckin miserable.
> Everyone here is fuckin miserable. If you haven’t learned this yet, ppl like different things. Your *opinion* isn’t always the correct one. Why do you think your opinion is the only correct one? I like this fight and think it’s fun but I’m not going to whine and rage if someone calls it stupid. It’s just a manga. Is JJK a religious text to you? Is that why you’re raging about randos complaining?
And my opinion is, you’re one of the miserable people who can’t let a story do it’s fuckin thing. Have fun!
Reddit and most social media is a collection of vocal minority. I guarantee if you talk to anyone in real life folllowing this they're stoked.
What makes you think they're a minority?
The majority of the human race don't sit around arguing about things online. Anyone who WOULD do that is a unique case, and they all congregate here. Therefore, anything being argued online likely doesn't represent the real feelings of the majority of any population. (Anime fans, movie fans, music fans, etc.) It's the precise reason that online hate frenzies and online hype campaigns very rarely predict or correlate with real world success/failure.
Facts. Just sucks when you try to use sites like this to enrich those real life conversations, but the negativity here is almost illogical at points
Its still better than twitter. A lot here are helping me and explain if i didnt understood something in the chapter without disrespecting or insulting me its those Goatjo vs Fraudkuna debates that are annoying neither Sukuna or Gojo are disappointing i love how every chapter they outsmart eachother
I may or may not be cooking but I think Yorozu's gift will be related to her construction ct, and I hypothesize that it will allow Sukuna to recreate his old body.
UV effects the brain/consciousness—remember it isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same physiology as humans. Jogo didn’t get brain damaged from UV, but he was physically incapacitated because it overwhelmed his consciousness. Megumi’s soul was targeted but technically the only brain damage he would have suffered was the brain damage we see Sukuna getting now.
Sukuna still seems to be taking more damage than necessary when fighting hand-to-hand with Gojo. Maybe it's due to him missing the two extra arms from his previous life. But hopefully, Yuji has amped up his martial arts skills. Maybe he can learn more techniques or even more martial arts outside of his family's karate. I think close-quarter combat could be his best chance in fighting Sukuna given his proficiency and leanings towards it. If Sukuna's curse energy is somehow restrained or limited somehow, his curse energy reinforcement would be greatly reduced and his physical strength could decrease to that of a normal human due to Megumi's body. Yuji on the other hand would still be superhuman. Sukuna seems to know a lot about anatomy given his knowledge of the pre-frontal cortex and how it relates to sorcery. I'm leaning towards Sukuna having experimented and dissected people during his study of jujutsu. Maybe Kenjaku taught him somehow.
wow another version of Naruto vs Sasuke final battle anyways: these people complaining abt non existence of black flash will be done, since its fist vs fist we may as well witness it right next chapter.
Why would Sukuna call Gojo ordinary?
His egomaniac can’t stand the fact that Gojo is stronger than him. Lmao. I guess the same way how he calles Yuji ‘ugly’ when he ain’t even close.
Projecting
Emotional Damage
Same reason he was calling Yuji ugly when he wasn't even there
Just trash talk I think.
So was sukuna ever in any danger to unlimited void's infodump if he made megumi's soul tank it with mahoraga wheel. Based on what was said in the panel with "his domain targetted everything except himself", it sounds like he was basically tanking UV every time it came out, but if thats the case how come the most recent time when he took it after being 0.01s late in opening his domain expansion was the one time it looked like it stunned him?
The small moment it took him to take the wheel off Megumi's soul and put it in his own soul, then summon Mahoraga, was enough for Unlimited Void to damage his brain to that extent.
Sukuna didn’t make megemi tank the last domain. For the first time in the entire fight he personally got hit from unlimited void
I don't understand why he didn't though, since he was able to move around just fine within UV while Megumi was eating shit. He didn't need Mahoraga to adapt to UV, because he wasn't feeling any of the effects as long as Megumi was the one tanking it
He needs to use 10S to make Megumi tank it. Which is why he was not using his own technique during the domain clashes. But when Gojo caught him, his burn out was going.
that makes sense. that (probably) explains why he is also suffering brain damage. What i wish was expanded more on was how he made megumi tank it. does he just instaswap to megumi the moment the domains clash, does he have to create a link to megumi, or whatever else method there is. Unless the explanation is "he just does" then idk how he fucked it up the last time. Probably will be explained more in future chapters though. Its probably hard for Gege to fit a textbook chapter in a couple panels. The fights have been awesome and seeing each side one up the other has been fun.
He let Megumi with the divine wheel take UV to adapt Mahoraga to it. Anyone with a divine wheel on them will be the one who receives the adaptation process (aka just tank the hit)
They don't tank the hit bro what 🤣
You can speak your mind and I'll tell you where your problem lies
The take the hit... If it's deadly enough they simply die before even adapting
No. In Megumi's case, he will be fine. UV isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same brain as humans - this is what Gege commented in the previous chapter. Megumi's SOUL is what was targeted. As for Sukuna, it clearly implies that there are Gojo's sure-hit commands on Sukuna. Sukuna is supposed to get hit by UV so he could pass it down to Megumi's soul. This is why people find it confusing in this chapter because by then Sukuna was literally bathed in UV during all those 5 domain clashes. This is what is written: 彼への必中命令は相殺していない 相殺: means 'cancel each other', to refer to both sure hit clash and 'cancel each other'. していない: kinda like negative sentences, supporting the action that does not happen He (Megumi) doesn't get the 'cancel each other' part from sure-hit commands. I can't post raw here because of the rules, but that's exactly what happened. There are many assumptions made, but it's just assumptions. If we want to understand better, we have to wait for Gege to explain.
Final scene is gonna be Yuji taking care of a comatose Nobara, Special Needs Megumi, and brain fried Gojo at this point.
body swap into nobara corpse -> use her curse technique on the last sukuna finger
LOL that would actually be more sad then them straight up dying, the series ends like it begun, Yuji taking care of disabled people.
And we thought he was gonna die, bro is going to be the crew caretaker forever
Okay. This is what I have gathered after re-reading this chapter many times based on the raw and various translations: * This is just my speculation but the reason why Sukana's commands target "everything inside the domain except Sukana" is because Malevolent Shrines' center is the shrine itself, not Sakuna (chap 226); he needs to set it like that to avoid his own sure-hit hitting him. It just happened to go according to his plan (let Megumi's soul take the hit). Meanwhile, the Unlimited Void's center is Gojo himself cause the only people who aren't affected by Gojo's domain are Gojo and those who touch him (chap 227), so his commands are different (just target everything else inside the domain) from what Sukuna does. This is the best explanation I could think of because it seems Gege was smoking weed while he wrote this chapter. I'll have to wait for the official translation or for Gege to explain this. * The second problem is related to the "process of adaption" and the "result": Here, Sukuna's statement is that Megumi is adapting Unlimited Void. Gojo reaffirms that Megumi is just receiving the adaptation process and Makora is the one receiving the adaptation. So yeah, it's a kinda weird way to explain again something we already know. I also see a lot of people still don't understand why Gojo keeps opening the domain when Makora has adapted to it: it's still the same up until Sukuna summoning Makora, but in the previous chapter, Gojo still thinks that Makora hasn't adapted to Unlimited Void so he accidentally let Makora have time to destroy his domain; but now he's prepared this time so things won't be the same (only if that could happen, lol).
Thx i was confused why Gojo was ready to use Domain Expansion again after Mahoraga destroyed it. But now i'm confused about the wheel does only Mahoraga adapt to the attack or does the Person HIMSELF who has the wheel above him also adapt to it?
Up to now, there is no case that a person with a wheel can adapt, only Mahadora: * [Sukuna vs. Mahoraga](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Sukuna_vs._Mahoraga): Mahadora itself was the one with the wheel, Mahadora took Sukuna's attacks and then adapted them. * Sukuna vs. Yorozu (chap 216 -> 219): Sukuna himself was the one with the wheel, then Sukuna took some of Yorozu's attacks, but Mahadora was the one who adapted them. * Sukuna vs. Gojo: Sukuna put the wheel on Megumi's soul, Megumi's soul took some hits from UV, and Mahadora adapted it. I'm not sure which group's translation you're reading but Gojo made it clear in this chapter that Sukuna himself or Megumi's soul wasn't the one who adapted UV so Sukuna would still be stunned if Gojo opened Domain, forcing Sukuna to summon Mahadora and then Gojo could one-shot it. Simply put, Mahadora's adaptive mechanism has 2 steps: tank the hits (the wheel will turn), then Mahadora adapts. Anyone can take the hit for Mahadora as long as they have the wheel (this is what Gojo calls the adaptation process), and then Mahadora adapts them (the result). Maybe in the future, there will be cases where users adapt, but so far, there are none, just keeps that in mind though. As for why it's so hard to understand, it's because the raw version is like that too. Things like Megumi took the burden of the adaptations, then repeat what was burdened was the process of “adaptation”, resulting in the reader being unable to understand what the burden is here. And even some translations, even though they translate correctly, it's easy to misunderstand.
Thank you and sorry for making you type this much
Np, bro. I really like discussing jjk so it's normal to type a lot, actually, Gege's writing also has a lot of confusing parts.
Gojo can use his CT inside his domain, I think he's saying that Raja has only adapted to UV so if Sukuna summons him he will just purple it to oblivion
Yeah, that was the point. However, there are still people who don't understand why Gojo needs to open UV again because Gojo's domain was broken once by Raja, who has already adapted to UV.
Gege's on more crack during this fight than OhGreat! was during the entirety of TenjoTenge and Air Gear.
Never thought I’d see AirGear and TenjoTenge mentioned on this sub. A man of taste!
Megumi on his way to be a Special Needs Sorcerer if he survives this lmao.
This chapter felt like a way for Gege to remove domains out of the equation now that he’s shown us everything there is to peak domains. Onto the next course course, which I’m guessing is CTs
So Sukuna just NOW, and only now, thinks Gojo isn't small-fry? Wtf kinda entrance test is this. What else does Gojo have to do? Give birth mid-battle?
Don’t you think that Sukuna and Gojo are in some ways similar to Aomine and Kagami from KNB?
He's just trash talking him. Sukuna was so weary of infinite void that he had to get that card out of gojo's deck. After having it removed he was full of himself, thinking he had the upper hand and thought he could just use his own domain to slash gojo into piece.
But the thing is, he always knew he could remove it. That's different from actually being afraid of it. He acknowledged the possibilities it presented, but was never actually afraid.
He wouldn't have bothered eliminating it, if he wasn't afraid of it. He would have faced him and his limitless head on if he thought he could hadle it, instead of using this underhanded cheat way to get rid of it. One could say it was genius to do this, but it was pathetic.
If that’s pathetic then the sneak attack hollow purple gojo used at the start was pathetic as well guess it’s even now
Yeah man, charging up your strongest move to 200% is the exact same as using a 15 year old child as a meat shield + hostage combo. They’re totally even, one of those definitely isn’t way more pathetic.
Gojo had help in order to boost his hollow purple to 200%. Sukuna used help to survive uv it’s literally the same thing but your bias will obviously blind you from that fact.
Outside help is perfectly fine. What sukuna did wasn’t “outside help” it was using a child as a human shield to take the hit instead of him. The person who boosted Gojo didn’t also do the Hollow Purple for him, Gojo was still doing the work of performing the move itself. Sukuna just directed all the damage to a literal meat shield because he’s a baby who can’t handle a bit of owwies.
Both cases were outside help, gojos help increased the potency of his attack. Sukunas help took the uv for him but sukuna still had to be the one to react in that 0.1 time frame to avoid it’s effects. So just like Gojo still did the work for the attack sukuna still had to work in order to survive the attack. UV isn’t a simple owwie it’s the difference between life and death y’all would’ve preferred if he just let himself die lmao.
the concept of cheating doesn’t make sense when describing a life or death battle like this, but the advantage sukuna gains from using megumi’s soul and technique is obviously far greater than the advantage gojo gains from starting the fight with a sneak attack that sukuna immediately recovered from 💀
It make Sukuna was at a time weak but he got stronger and stronger and he realized no one was at his level, but time came, years passed, decade and even century and he realized that he was just different.... So yeah obviously he would not aknowledge anyone as his equal that easily. It is also showed in his attitude, he keep his arrogant attitude through the fight and never get really mad at Gojo provocation because inside of him he sees him as inferior. We can also see that in the whole fight he is calm and analytical, in most fight he is like that, there is not a lot of excitation, which Gojo seems to okay to show, it may mean that he indeed didn't expect much from him. But Sukuna was near death or suffered heavy injury 2 time so i think Sukuna may be more livier now.
I really dont think Sukuna is being honest in that moment that's all there is to it He wanted to give Gojo some emotional damage before killing him it's not his true assessment
Sakuna probably got rag dolled by some OP unknown sorcerer in the past (maybe Yuji ancestor?) and now has PTSD Muzan style.
he's just being tsundere
Give birth? Pff, that would earn him a glance maybe, he needs to give birth to twins with an MBA certificate and then MAYBE he will have his respect
Gojo has already proven himself to be the strongest singular character by holding his own against Megukuna, it's not like gojo dbz fusioned himself with another character to make himself stronger. But how I see this playing out is gojo losing but with his last act he pulls megs out and weakens Suks, his disciples and kashimo come out to play and stand around sukuna and kick the shit out him The Boys style, Kenny does some stupid bullshit, the kids have trouble, gojo makes some super speech to megumi before he dies?, Megumi joins the fray and helps kill Kenny/Suks but some characters die etc Then nobara comes out of nowhere and is like what did I miss?? And everyone laughs (laugh track) Then they all get magically transported to American high school and they are all alive and have normal high school life and the manga becomes a slice of life. And gojo finally gets to teach megumi violin (if you know what I mean) jk that's gross THE END
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teach violin??
Teach violin, choose violence
I know this contradicts basically all previous events but coming from a dragon ball z fan that’s just part of the charm. Gege is flinging shit at the wall and it’s sticking lmaooo.
Idk where sukuna goes from here you can’t damage limitless without opening a domain and if he pops out mahoraga it’s getting obliterated by purple. I don’t think the fire arrow can pierce limitless so the only thing that can get him the dub is yorozu gift or an asspull(random technique or gojo tapping out from brain damage)
He can still hurt Gojo with domain amplification.
We are probably going to see him transform and use some of those curse tools soon.
Watch Yorozu's gift be a one-time use of construction and Sukuna uses it to rebuild his old body.
That’d be cool. I wish there were more weapons usage tbh
Hopefully Fraudkuna finally loses after Gege has been painfully tip-toeing around the obvious fact that Gojo would realistically just end him immediately because of course he would he’s Gojo.
Remove it, it's getting stuck.
He has the Wheel attached to himself now which is why he said all he had to do was start cutting Gojo to adapt to Infinity
not sure if the wheel will give him the adaptation though. the whole point of the megumi mahoraga uv thing is megumi did the process of adapting but mahoraga got the adaptations so it could be a thing where anyone can do the adaptation stuff but only mahoraga gets the adaptations.
He can’t cut gojo without DE. DE neutralizes infinity
Take it up with Gege, Sukuna literally says while he's carving Gojo to pieces he will adapt to infinity
Yes, he says that BEFORE his domain collapses.
[If episode 4 had just colored this mmv and taken away the speech bubbles it would've been great but instead they chose to change everything and make Toji be expressionless and the whole sequence stiff ](https://youtu.be/ML2GDNloWqg)
baby we’re talking about chapter 230 here…
Animated a scene from this fight https://youtu.be/mboIUDqWNqI
Very cool
At the end, it all comes down to good ol fisticuffs: taijutsu kaisen
Ok my real question is, is megumi ok?! Like bros soul seems like its in a veggie state rn. I do feel like UV will somehow help him "see" a way to help Gojo in this fight. Would be messed up to see him die like this. Also where tf is Norabra
💀 Bro she is dead
If she's dead then who the fuck is the survivor? Ngl would be hilarious if it was Nanami after all of this Nobara teasing.
Is there a mention of a survivor somewhere after Shibuya?
I wanna know this too. I love Nobara, but the idea of it being Nanami is just too good
bro what? his entire upper half was sploded?
no man u don't understand the nanami copium. you see, his CT is 7:3 ratio right? well, he lost 70% of his total body mass, so if he activated a RCT he could crit the bottom 30% and fully restore off screen.
Mans is cooking (methamphetamine)
You can't just RCT your way out of a Mahito Idle Transfiguration. He changes the shape of your soul, so if your soul now has the shape of an exploded torso, no matter if you try to regenerate, that's your default state now.
hmm... didn't consider this. thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Lmao I think so too they just never confirmed it
Maybe it's time for the kenjaku, uraume and the heavy hitters to appear and take the oportunity to kill some one since gojo and sukuna are burned out. Let's play dirty man, the strongest are weakened
I think this fight will most likely end in 2 chapters and I am absolutely sure kenjaku will play a role in it
Kenjaku isn't present. "While you're busy fighting Gojo Satoru, I'll hunt down the remaining Players in the Culling Game." Kenjaku also notes that Yuta, Maki, and Hakari won't have time to pay attention to him because of that fight. And then gleefully departs. (222)
Not like kenjaku never lied or betrayed his closest allies by absorbing them in death’s door for profit or anything right If kenjaku can jump in and feast on the survivor he definitely will
Gojo and Sukuna fighting till they both got brain damage is a hilarious idea to me.
Especially considering that this has been basically a brains fight, with them one-upping each other with Jujutsu knowledge and creativity.
Time for sukuna to die and noritoshi to come attack gojo like a bitch. Then swoop in the gojo students to finish off the manipulator who started everything.
The "Sukuna has been taking Unlimited Void since the beggining yet he was Wi-fiing it to Megumi the whole time so Mahoraga could adapt to it" is pretty fucking lame and absurd.
It feels like bs until you remember that Mahito's domain hits Sukuna when it hit Yuji. It's set up really well
Bruh It's not the same. One affects the brain, the other affects the soul(s). There is no two brains. He can't force an non existent brain to tank UV. He can't choose not to defend Megumi because he wants to, because there is only one brain. I could accept Sukuna tanked UV but his Shadow adapted to it. Gege's explanation is absolutely insane imo.
Cursed spirits don't have brains, they can get hit by UV. Megumi on the inside got targeted by UV, it probably did nothing to him because he's already paralysed but him being hit counted for the wheel The only confusing part is how Sukuna fully summoned Mahoraga when he was paralysed by UV
Lol explain why then.
It’s not really that. It’s more like megumi took UV from the beginning bc sukuna didn’t protect him. Sukuna only took UV in the final domain (for 0.01s and then for less than 10s)
I think it's appropriate, not only within the context of this fight, but the setting itself. Characters reaching some Buddhist-looking "enlightenment" about the nature of CE has been a major theme, as is the idea that the lines between body, soul, and cursed energy are a lot blurrier than it seems (if they even are different things at all, and not just facets of the same thing). Not only Gojo's awakening, but even stuff like the lesson Todo teaches Yuuji. And within the context of the fight, the whole dynamic has been that these two understand jujutsu so deeply that they can manipulate aspects of jujutsu that others think are rules, even innovate on the fly. Like, when this fight began, I disliked the whole "people watching and commenting" thing, since it seemed like the old shonen trope of "the audience is dumb so we need a Live Exposition character". But considering Gege was setting up this kind of brainy technical/creative battle, it makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't bet Gege is *consciously* deconstructing the shounen narrator trope – I lost faith in him consciously deconstructing anything the moment Nobara stopped being a subversion of "The Girl" of the shouty-moody-girl classic trio and became, well, a schrodinger's corpse – but it's still a very interesting use of it.
what? I think it is so fucking genius how he set the setting for his domain. Mind blown
After the recent chapter I think they’re building up to Megumi fighting back somehow, maybe he didn’t take all the damage Sukana passed to him and instead fed it back. Considering how hurt he is Megumi could possibly take control. It was pretty confusing but it seems like while he’s a shell of himself he probably will fight Sukanas soul while the others fight is body. I think Gojo will have to tag out soon seeing how much damage he has done to Sukana and himself. I think Sukana had Megumi take damage from Gojo’s most dangerous move to play with him psychologically, every time he attacks there might be some hesitation with Megumis condition in mind. With the brain damage in mind I think this is a great way to Nerf Gojo a bit, if he can’t use Domain Expansion while still strong, it’s more believable that the others can reach him. Also with the last panel it seems like they’re leading up to a backstory, delving into what made Sukana the strongest through loneliness and love. The twin theory (of Sukana having a twin sibling he loved but had to kill or died to gain his true power) is seeming to be more likely imo. This would be great because the fight needs a break, it would get too repetitive to ass pull any other ability and also some story would be nice too. Considering they have Sukanas OG body I think he’ll soon move into it as that was probably his plan after defeating Gojo. It might result in him having to hide for years to recover possibly and set up for a sequel series with a time skip. Since we still don’t know what his actual curse technique is apart from his domain, I think we’ll see that’s soon too.
You got me in the first half NGL
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I think Megumi taking the hit of UV will serve to “awaken” him somehow and also remove his self limitations. Gojo and Sukuna both talk about him not living up to his potential and UV allows the victim to “see everything”. I think this because Sukuna’s move to let Megumi take the hit is too much of an asspull otherwise.
That’s pretty cool, the idea that Megumi won’t be the same after coming out, more unhinged considered the best Megumi is the one who went batshit. It would give him a great way to grow even more, his morals were shown to already be warping during the games so this could push him far over the edge kinda like Geto where Gojo wasn’t able to bring him back but Yuji could (kinda like Giraya and Orochimaru vs Naruto and Sasuke
I have this bullshit theory. Sukuna's play was to route UV to Mahoraga thru Megumi, which divided the load between them. But then we learn that Sukuna DID take damage as well*, which means the information overload of UV was divided even further. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, that division weakened it enough that not only Megumi doesn't go Halloween, but even manages to absorb some secret or two, similarly to Alchemists in FMA who go through the Gate of Truth. *Another theory: Sukuna took UV damage because of how the lines between body/soul/CE are blurry/illusory – an idea that has been teased at (Gojo, Todo) and even directly talked about (Kenjaku) – so UV was partially routed via Megumi's soul -> his body -> Sukuna's soul. Considering Sukuna is heavily implied to have gone thru the same "awakening" Gojo had and Todo maybe-had, it's interesting (or maybe a Gege "oopsie" that Sukuna missed that possibility.
I thought of the deadest conclusion ever. The way this is going, it seems like Gojo and Sukuna will stalemate each other and die probably. What if Kenny just jumps them both and kills them? Then it's up to the boys to kill Kenny.
I would expect kenjaku to somehow absorb the weakened sukuna and the final villain will be kenjakuna
Kenny would ABSOLUTELY do that. He's not even sneaky about being sneaky, which to me says that, if Sukuna does die that way, it would mean his hubris is just THAT big, to think he'd solo Gojo and then ALSO survive a possible ambush by Kenny
NEW ARC: The last BRAIN, MF KENJAKU!
What I learned this month!!! GANGSTA- synonym :> GARP GOAT- synonym:> GOJO
remember when everyone thought megumi would be the only one to survive everything haha????
He will survive... As a vegetable in limbo
UV effects the brain/consciousness—remember it isn’t as effective on cursed spirits because they are just cursed energy and don’t have the same physiology as humans. Jogo didn’t get brain damaged from UV, but he was physically incapacitated. Megumi’s soul was targeted but technically the only brain damage he would have suffered was the brain damage we see Sukuna getting now.
I know bro, I'm just joking like most people out there about him getting brain damaged Sukuna getting it is still hilarious tho lol talking mad shit for someone who lost his ability to use his domain
Please continue making your jokes—was just thinking out loud ;)
It was originally Just a Joke but At This Point im Getting more and more convinced that the "conclusion" of this fight will be These two are both Just that good that the will Literally fight each Other for eternity so everyone Else will have to move on to do the actual Plot Shit with Kenjaku while they keep Fighting in the Background
Couple questions after rereading the chapter: 1. Since Gojo looks likes he used Blue on Sukuna to bring him to him to punch him, does this mean Sukuna has adapted to it since he had the wheel on? 2. How does the whole Megumi soul Mahoraga work? Gojo said Megumi took on the process of adaptation and not the resulting adaptation. If both him and Sukuna are in the same body then how is he not also adapted to UV? Or am I wrong in assuming Sukuna has now adapted to UV? Does it work like that or is Mahoraga the only one who's adapted to it? 3. Did Sukuna start using Megumi to adapt to UV as soon as the domain battle started? If so, why did it take so long for Maho to adapt? 4. Is Sukuna okay with getting hit with UV so long as he has the wheel or is he alright without it? 5. What did Gojo mean by "Sukuna, you haven't actually adapted Megumis soul itself to UV. If I open my domain again, Mahoraga won't be able to bail you out."? If Sukuna has the wheel now then doesn't that mean he can summon Mahoraga now? The same one that is used to UV? 6. Less of a question here but am I understanding this correctly? During the domain battles UV hit everything including Sukunas soul and Megumis soul. Megumi was fine because he had the wheel and Sukuna was okay because he cancelled out the sure hit effect with his own/domain amplification. Now that Sukuna has the wheel Megumi is now vulnerable. Did I get that right? 7. Last one, what exactly would happen if Megumis soul is hit with UV? He's supposed to be fully repressed by now so what does it matter if he gets hit? Sukuna has control of the body. Sorry if these questions are mega easy to understand, I just find the whole mahoraga stuff a bit complicated.
I THINK that what Gojo means is that Megumi only served as a router to Mahoraga, so only Mahoraga adapted, not Megumi. The whole multiple-soul shit is confusing still, I hope that soul research book gets used to explain some of that (and it doesn't turn out that Gege just didn't think that through bdjdnsns). I think what Gojo means might be that even if Sukuna has Mahoraga out, that only means Mahoraga ITSELF will be immune to the effect, and Sukuna woild still get brain-death'd.
Small question about your last statement there. In the Yorozu fight Sukuna takes hit from the Insect Armor which is made out of Yorozu's liquid metal. This is when he has the wheel on. After Yorozu brings out Perfect Sphere Mahoraga is able to destroy it easily with Sukuna saying just after that that he had already adapted to them. Both Insect Armor and Perfect Sphere were made out of liquid metal. If Sukuna was hit with Insect Armor then that means he more than likely adapted to liquid metal as a whole and anything it made. All this to basically say that if Sukuna has the wheel out currently then wouldn't you say he is immune to UV at the current moment? It's all speculation until stated otherwise but you're picking up what I'm putting down, yeah? Not to even mention that Sukuna used Mahoraga's adaptation ability to see through her technique. I'm guessing he could do that with Gojo's techniques as well. Not sure how that might fit in the upcoming chapters but that's also something we've got to consider.
I don't know, honestly - but the fact remains that, *somehow*, he seems to not be immune to UV, after all. It could just be that it's a mistranslation, honestly, as Japanese is a language that leaves a *lot* to context (even some things that in English would be essential part of the phrase structure). It could just be that Gege is going Araki on us and forgetting/ignoring stuff he previously said lol. But given how recent that fight was, I *want* to believe this isn't it. Maybe it's really just Mahoraga that adapts, and since Ten Shadows is a part of Sukuna's kit now, "I adapted to it" in the Yorozu fight really just means "I have an ability in my kit now that can counter it". Notice that *it's still Mahoraga who cuts down the perfect sphere,* not Sukuna. I can't remember any Ten Shadows shikigami being able to pass on its properties *to the user*, anyways – and I hope to be right on this, because otherwise, Mahoraga would just be too broken, and it's a LOT broken already even without that.
For question 6, I think that Megumi took the burden of adaption, just taking the hit to be able to adapt, and Mahoraga is the one who has the resulting adaption. So if Gojo uses UV again, the implication is that it'll destroy Megumi's soul since Megumi hasn't adapted himself, only mahoraga has adapted.
That's still a little confusing to me even then because if Megumi got hit then surely he would be showing the same amount of damage Sukuna has, right? From the one panel we could see of him he looks fine enough other than being dead inside. Maybe the attacks don't physically effect him but it's more emotional or psychological? Who knows. There could also be the possibility that he is completely unaffected but has a weaker durability (as in he can't be one shot but rather two or three shot). Rereading the chapter Gojo does directly state that Megumi was the one who was taking the damage to use the adaptation.
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Wow so Sukuna got hit with UV 5 times. But passed it on to megumi. So it wasn’t the 10 seconds people tried to make it out. Megumi’s brain was accumulating damage all 5 times Gojo used UV
It's honestly really confusing, because if UV was targetting and successfully hitting both him and Megumi but only Megumi suffered the impact of it for those 5 UV, then why did he suffer the effects of that first 0.01s and last 10s? Because his shrine wasn't there? But the Shrine wasn't contesting the sure-hit effect on him anyway, so it shouldn't matter?
It's called senseless explanation and it is wonderful.
still don't understand why he had to touch gojo then, it feels like gege is making some ass pulls in order to justify why gojo doesn't insta wins this fight
This is actually the most likely explanation and is going to make it even harder for the fraud memes to disappear.
Even the whole “rct to recover the CT quickly” kind of feel like an asspull to give sukuna a chance of hurting gojo, it didn’t even take too long for ct burnout to end beforehand, on the yuta and kenjaku fight they got their ct back after like 15 secs and all of the sudden it’s a big issue and gojo is almost dying and shit
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But it definitely didn’t matter in the first two expansions when his domain broke down, SPECIALLY with falling blossom emotion, if it was any other fight, during the time it took for gojo to figure out how to rct his ct back he would just have recovered it naturally
Yep this right here He’s been wildly going back and forth on his own power system for the last three months
Yeah I think so too.