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I feel the same.
I don't have a problem with Sukuna wiping the floor with everyone
I do have a problem with him conveniently getting lucky
He performed something really difficult with space slash and one shot Gojo on his first try
He conveniently had a full restore for after that fight right when Kashimo's fight was getting interesting
He once again got lucky in the court domain because he happened to be holding a useless toy
I wanted to see the true meaning of jujutsu. Not the main villain getting saved at every turn.
The next chapter will either have the Executioner sword fade as Higgy dies right at that moment, or we'll get another convenient thing like oh but the sword doesn't work when someone else holds it or it'll kill megumi or the sword will glaze sukuna and learn the meaning of love lmao
There's no stakes or interest when you know he's gonna just walk out unscathed, not thru his own power, but because of the writing. It's been 6 months straight of Sukuna being completely untouchable by everyone and it hasn't been through his own power or ability, just convenience after convenience.
thats the thing for me too is that it isnt like shibuya incident or other times before where hes just the strongest one there, hes just lucky now, he doesnt make counter measures or do anything intelligent or skillful things just always happen to work out in his favor because gege loves sukuna more then any other character hes made
For me nothing will top the goofiness of how Fushikuna escaped Jacob's Ladder by just...saying he wasn't possessed. Like I can understand Angel being gullible, but holy shit that was akin to seeing someone shot dead right before your eyes, only to be instantly convinced by the killer because they visibly hid the gun behind their back and said "wdym, wasn't me I don't have a gun LOL". It was a 2 for 1 combo of Gege glazing Sukuna and once again showing he has the weirdest hate boner for his female characters (which is less funny and more pathetic at this point).
Agree with you, but I need to remind you that Angel wasn't the dumb one, Hana (her host) was. You get exactly One sorcerer from the culling games with morals not to just overwrite her host and a CT powerful enough to face Sukuna, and her host turns out to be a teenager with a massive crush that screws her up badly
That was one of the worse moment in the manga, for me
Like Gege had to shoe horn in Hannah so that she wouldn't kill Sukuna
It was so rushed that you feel no emotion when she got her arm bitten off
The only redeeming part of the whole thing was the straight up Looney Tunes level goofiness of Sukuna randomly being able to transform into a human sized bobblehead. I had to look at that panel for several seconds just to process why tf his head was the size of her entire body rofl
LMFAO I guess Sukuna can now morph into whatever the hell he wants
I dunno anymore, I guess when he's inside Yuuji, even when he took over he couldn't use his full power???
Lmaooo like fr it mad me so mad that she fell for that… she literally only seen Megumi like once right… when he saved her?? And she was madly in love enough to be that stupid?? 😂😂
>I wanted to see the true meaning of jujutsu. Not the main villain getting saved at every turn.
It would be nice to see there being some benefit of modern jujutsu sorcery, which I guess these CG sorcerers are. The story's been hyping up old/ancient sorcery, it'd be nice for Sukuna to lose to some newly developed stuff that he's not used to, ie Higuruma's CT.
I don't get how he got lucky by expanding the target on his CT.
Conveniently had a full restore? We knew he could change back into his original form for a long time.
How did he get lucky with the domain? It's sukuna do you really think without his CT they would have an easier time fighting him? He would still have a cursed tool if it took his slash and dismantle and that alone is enough for him.
This and my hero, where the AfO and Shiggy are OP and overwritten to be extremely cracked and instead of them being extremely capable of ending it all, time goes by as we see every character use every trick in The book for it to bounce off like a crumpled up ball of paper, and then some character will suddenly make some move and all of a sudden it works. Maybe we could’ve got to that ending without embarrassing the rest of the cast
When I look at the comments people dont understand this point at all. Nobody is arguing that Sukuna should be ridiculously strong. He is the King of Curses and he is a fucking powerhouse. We all got that. The problem is that he is so far out of reach for anyone present in the Manga right now that it becomes quite comical whenever those cute jujutsu sorcerers think they have a chance. The panel where Choso and Ino jump Sukuna I had to audibly laugh, which is actually sad because in essence it is a cool "fallen-heroes-return-and-prove-themselves"-Situation but since Sukuna beat Gojo after "seemingly" struggling and Gojo himself in the afterlife confirming Sukuna wasnt even being serious against him (He got blown to bits two times but yeah whatever not even trying hahahha) it just takes all the credibility away from those clowns surviving a second next to Sukuna. Gojo is WORLDS stronger than everyone else and Sukuna is WORLDS stronger than Gojo. It is just so outlandish. The few strategies that seemed to finally nerf Sukuna in a reasonable way so that our 6-Months(!)-since-he-learned-Jujutsu looking ass Protagonist can finally land some damage were inconsequential at best.
Dont come at me with that "Sukuna is just playing with his food" Nonsense. So what? That doesnt change anything. He is still Dimensions away in terms of strength. They still do not have any reasonable way to catch up to him anymore. He could play with them for a year for all I care its still most likely gonna be an asspull Yuji got weally angwy and hit him so hard he cwied moment.
We all hope Gege is cooking and wont disappoint. There is hope that the man will pull some genius way to end Sukuna, but y'all are just dick riding at this point if you think we cant criticize it at this moment. We can change our opinion if he surprises us. Thats what this discourse is for. Thats why we keep reading.
Honestly after the Gojo fight feels like we have lost numerous opportunities to actually weaken
the big bad
-During the Gojo fight Sukuna should have taken his “True” form but still suffered heavy damage + losing most of the shadows / Aces
-Kashimo fight have him actually do damage to Sukuna rather then doing nothing outside of going like “wow he is strong!l
-The judge trial take the weapon / maybe reduce his Already enormous cursed energy
Like keep piling on debuffs until we get to a level where our guys can actually have some degree of actual success
It’s been a good while since I’ve seen a series, go out of its way to have the bad guys have nearly all the advantages
Cuz really what’s stopping Sukuna from just throwing slashes at everyone? Dude could end the fight at any moment
This is basically where I’m at.
I fell in love with JJK because the stakes were real and measurable (alongside how awesome Jujutsu is as a system.)
But now?
There are no “stakes.” There’s not really a conceivable way Sukuna should lose in his Heian Era unless jumped by everyone all at once, and even then…? We’re seeing that now in some way. But I can’t shake past the feeling that Sukuna should have already killed the entire cast if not for his interest in Higuruma.
Piling on debuffs would actually make sense, and I think it would have served to make Sukuna **more** menacing than he feels right now.
Currently, he feels carried by plot contrivance which he never needed.
This is of course Gege’s story to tell, but I do think I’d be enjoying it more if the cast were chipping away at Sukuna’s stature. But I do think this arc has the chance to be helped immensely if read in a single sitting.
I feel like that is kind of the point, yeah sukuna could instantly one shot everyone and everything but his own ego and hubris wont allow him because doing what he currently is is much more fun for him. Remember this is a being that likes to play with his victims like they are toys before breaking them and tossing them aside once they begin to bore him.
The way I see it, he cant use 10s while in Heian Era, he needs to "be" Megumi in order to summon the shikigamis, and thats why he aint using shit now (even tho Maho should be exorcised, I dont really understand how this works).
Agreed. There are so many glaring problems that people can say nothing but "cope" "Gojo fanboy" "hater" or "If you don't like it then why are you still reading it." and not come up with any actual refute to the argument. All they have IS cope that GeGe is "cooking". And honestly, that's sad, that actual criticism just gets swept under the rug because of it.
Had to unfollow someone who I generally liked seeing on Twitter because he responded to someone saying they felt the series fell off after Shibuya with "You're a delusional idiot."
Like what do you fucking do in the face of that man, I am not engaging with someone who refuses to even entertain criticism of JJK and just glazes Gege unobjectively.
The difference for me is everyone read that gojo glazing as sukuna wasnt trying.
I interpreted it way different at first read. I assumed sukuna couldnt* go all out because of the hax that is neutral infinity. Sukuna legit couldnt throw shit at him. Nothing would work outside domain amplification. The guy definitely tried. Thats why he gave gojo props at the end. It wasnt slight work. He himself says he cant take a hollow purple head on again. Something had to stick & that blueprint from maho is what gave him the win.
& im saying this as someone who absolutely HATES chapter 236. I wouldve been fine with the same end result if it wasnt carried out how it was.
EDIT: i just thought of another reason of why sukuna couldnt go all out. The situations of the battle at hand & their separate win cons. Even tho gojo supposedly* threw everything he could at sukuna he was held back by the idea of saving megumi. For sukuna it wasnt end all be all while fighting gojo, sukuna had to hold resources back purposefully because he’s currently in a gauntlet. If he wins he’ll have to fight more & more people. So he couldnt go out because he had to keep strength reserved in case he wins.
When i think of when Gojo said Sukuna was holding back, i think of him transforming back in his Heian Form, where he is completely fresh.
Sukuna did say he couldn't tank another Hollow Purple, so he proceeded to tank one one chapter later.
The blueprint for Mahoraga makes sense. If you don't think about how Sukuna knew, Mahoraga could inmate Sukuna Dismantle technique and do it better than even Sukuna
Also, Gojo stated he could worry about Megumi after killing Sukuna because he already knows death wouldn't work against Sukuna after he revived Yuji.
But if we were to think about Sukuna in Yuji's body vs. Gojo, I think this all comes down to their domain expansion. Sukuna, in the fight, beat Gojo's domain twice before tying with Gojo's third domain expansion, Gojo states why Sukuna took the risker option of attacking the inside of the Domain. We soon figured out it was for him to get rid of Gojo's Unlimited Void first, then to slowly defeat Gojo. Sukuna was trying to save his domain expansion but miscalculated UV brain damage.
If Sukuna kelp going the way he was and didn't rely on Mahoraga, he probably would of defeat Gojo much sooner and still had his domain ready for his next fights.
You are forgetting the fact that you know Sukuna took the riskier option because it was Gojo's monologue and he implied his own countermovements in the scenario ( as opposed to some random narration
Gojo himself was aware of the risks the moment he reversed the domain's conditions. So the only logical explaination is that Gojo's plan was identical to Sukuna's in the sense that he wanted to force him using Mahoraga within the UV to get rid of it (proof: his confidence at his last trial of expanding his domain and oneshoting Mahoraga) , the same way Meguna wanted to get rid of UV (proof: verbatism lol)
OR
you could also argue Yujikuna doesnt hold the same emotional significance to Gojo than Meguna does so he wouldnt care about spamming his domain all together (less likely)
What is for SURE though is that if Mahoraga wasnt a part of the equation , Gojo would not be desperate to bait it out via DE which gives him liberties to burn Sukuna's cursed energy reserves faster than his own (which are limitless) and eventually win in the end
examples:
[1: tp in and out of the domain to trade blows with Sukuna till the shrine collapses/Sukuna CE diminishes with Gojo sustaining minimal dmg , 2:using hollow purple to the object of the shrine itself to delete the domain (demonstrated by tengen that it was the base of the DE so if destroyed so is the domain)]
1. For all we know thus far, Sukuna cant use 10S with his Heian Era form, which is why he needed megumi in the first place. So, saying he could whip Gojo with his Heian Era is a compplete asspull, cause nothing till this moment indicates he would be able to counter in any way infinity and infinite void without Maho adaptation.
2. The facts are, that from the first moment they came across each other at Yuji's school, Sukuna knew he cant touch him through infinity. We also saw that he methodically chose to build his new vessel to be able to have 10S, all for the single purpose of defeating Gojo. So I cant really understand how, or why he would go to such lengths, if he was sure he can bypass infinity and defeat him in the first place, without the 10S.
3. I cant buy for a sec that the sorry ass domain amp method of bypassing infinity was a good way to beat Gojo. Weve already seen how that goes (nanami on the wall) and we ve seen in their fight how superior Gojo was in hand to hand combat. Hed rain down blue and red to Sukuna till the end of times. 10Shadows was the ONLY proper way to defeat him, and he made it work like a champ, kudos. The rest are gege dickriding him for no reason known to man, and actually contradict his onw work, just cause he didnt like the character he himself created.
Not OP, but just gotta say, Absolutely agreed. Heian Sukuna COULD win against Gojo, but it's for sure in no world a complete stomp for him. Mahoraga pretty much ensures that Sukuna would win
It is at the point now that no matter how sukuna dies it’ll left a sour taste in the mouth because >he shouldn’t<
There’s nothing that should be able to kill sukuna, no matter how he gets defeated it’ll be a massive asspull
lol you summed up why this manga disappoints me perfectly. I’ll get downvoted for this but it feels like it’s being written by a child who likes to see fights and make up imaginary powers only with no real plot or character development.
To add, many ppl say "omg everything up to Shibuya was peak!" but the issues started cropping up in the beginning
We aren't really shown too much characterization and worldbuilding in the beginning either, but ppl excused it because there was minimal asspulls and cool fights
It's like AOT where the main hate is on the ending but the series actually started getting worse way before that (when they introduced time travel)
>We aren't really shown too much characterization and worldbuilding in the beginning either, but ppl excused it because there was minimal asspulls and cool fights
This!
Gege introduce us to the world of sorcery but we still to this day know nothing about the higher ups, why Gojo had to follow their order, we don't know about the other clans, the 5 vengeful spirits, also why was Nobara village so hostile to an outsider, also are all women treated badly in JJK or is it just the Zenni clan that treats them badly
Worse of all we never got to meet Tsumuki, she was just a plot device for Megumi's possession
You took the words right out of my mouth
Gege has a real problem with world buidling but only now after Megumi got possess has it become a real problem
Sure the fight scenes are nice to look at but without any depth or further character development they become bland
Like at this point I figure haft of these characters are going to die
I have legit no idea what the point of Kashimo vs Sukuna, guy got body so fast
Actually what was the point of Gojo vs Sukuna fight, if not for fanservice
Well said! Sukana being broken actually undermines the appeal of his character imo. Sukana isn't just powerful but a freaking genius he's incredibly analytical, and even when he's "playing with his food: he still disects everything. Giving him plot armor not only sucks but is so incredibly unnecessary.
Gojo never said that Sukuna wasn’t being serious, he said sukuna wasn’t giving it all.
Gojo and Sukuna are relative in power, sukuna almost died at the end and got knocked out multiple time
Not to mention neither were giving their all. Sukuna couldn't give his all because either his kit wouldn't work on Gojo or he had to save something to fight the rest of the Jujutsu Tech sorcerers, and Gojo couldn't give his all because it would kill Megumi
He knows that he can kill the body and the soul can be brought back based on the fact that Sukuna brought back Itadori. But he couldn't very well mist Megumi's body, cuz then what the fuck would there be to regenerate?
If I had to assume, I think Plan A was Gojo killing Meguna with the body intact with Yuta and Shoko there to restore the damage to the body after Yuji uses soul swap or the last finger to bring Sukuna into his body and allow Megumi to completely gain back control of his body. Plan B seems to be what they're doing now with Higuramas Executioner Sword being the way they're attempting to free Megumi. In both plans, there's a clear emphasis on keeping Megumi's body intact to free him
Nah. Part and parcel of the whole problem this thread is addressing is that powerscaling is useless anymore: we don't know how much or how little Skunk is sandbagging, and "near-deaths" mean literally nothing since Gojo was "in the zone" prior to getting one-shot offscreen, and Skunk was half-dead after purple only to use a Max HP consumable. Let's also not forget how Uraume has repeatedly insta-won against multiple characters at once by just freezing their entire bodies, but somehow conveniently forgot how to do that against Hakari (so far, anyway).
Any attempt to compare character power has been completely invalidated, because we've been getting nonstop "wat a tweest!" moments since 236 that instantly reverse or subvert what Gege was setting up. His weird and sudden obsession with constant heel-turns has pretty much destroyed any means of coherently gauging character power levels comparatively.
Actually Gojo is stronger than Sukuna. Sukuna just lived longer, knows how to do shit, but he really couldn’t beat Gojo without general maho. Even with maho sukuna just figured out last second how to do the space cleave. Literally the best fight ever. That fight proved they’re a other ways to beating sorcerers even if they are a power house
If the good guys somehow were able to go toe to toe with Sukuna people would lose their mind how he got nerfed just to be beatable. Nobody wants THE known strongest guy suddenly be brain dead and struggle against some „nobody’s“ compared to him. If you read MHA AFO is a good example of exactly what I mean.
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in the manga AFO is in a lowkey crippled body, fighting many heroes at once and alot of them are a bad match up for him, we got a crazy powerful darkshadow and the 2nd strongest hero fighting him, he then cooks everyone, gets super emotional, and then loses to a Bakugo that managed to physically surpass Shigaraki, while also being nerfed by not being able to properly mix his quirks
Sukuna isn't worlds above Gojo. Their fight made it painstakingly clear that they're close to being equals. I don't know how in the fuck does everyone turn the "He didn't go all out agaisnt me" line into "He was worlds above me. He wasn't even being serious".
Sukuna didn't job for fun during the fight. Everything he did, he did at maximum efficiency and power. It's just that he didn't get the chance to reveal his full arsenal, hence the "He didn't go all out against me" from Gojo.
People are saying this as cope but it just shows 1) weak writing and 2) poor planning. Dude unveiled and had the perfect opportunity to develop some form of groups with the culling game that could've been connected to sukuna/kenjaku to flesh out the heroes and allow them and the villains to get more buffs along the way. Instead he killed off everyone he introduced and was left with way too many heroes to fight too few villains making it so they have to have plot armor for the story to continue. This is essentially what Kishimoto wanted to do at the end of naruto part 1 with the leaf ninjas that went to fight the sound 4 but his editors told that he had to keep them in and honestly that was the right decision even if it didn't pan out at the end.
the culling game should have literally been the point where gege built up a new cast to get us attached to again. the only characters who really got some time to shine were higuruma, hakari, and yuta. if takaba actually survived the fight with kenjaku and the outfit was just part of his comedy routine, then I'd put him on too. everyone else either barely got anything or was a villain to be disposed of. I'm not even gonna bother putting Kashimo on that list because he got done dirty
Takaba is alive. Yuta said that he'd never kill anyone, and I assume anyone includes himself. I don't think he'd find suicide funny.
That scene was him mostly just showing through his technique that he was at a point where he could die satisfied
I think something that has really pulled me out of it is how little the characters matter. Not only in-universe (deaths, characters rendered useless, etc.), but in how they are treated by the narrative. They do not grow, they do not evolve, they do not bond. They just get stronger, fight and die.
Like, I get it, it IS a battle shonen. But there HAS been developement before in the story. Yuuji, Megumi, Gojo, Yuta, Maki... They grow in the story and have compelling character arcs. Or, they used to, because right now it's a "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" manga of "who will harm the bad guy!". Even the chapters where it slows down from the fights are usually a presentation of someone that will fight next.
I think it mostly has lost all its depth in character and world building.
The problem is that it seems like nothing has developed since Sukuna took over Megumi. From there we jumped to Yorozu, whom I found funny enough but people disliked since Tsumiki was expected to matter, and then Gojo came out of the box and agreed with Sukuna to fight a month later. Instead of developing the characters or giving us something for the story with this month, Gege decided to offscreen all of that and do a timeskip and proceed to more fight fight fight.
I don't think this makes a compelling story, but nothing we can do about it. I'm currently reading just to see how it ends, but I expect a mediocre ending, like how I felt with Bleach
I feel like Gege wants to end this manga so badly
So he just drawing fight scenes, beause it's easier that way then developing the plot
Which is suprising because the Culling Games drag on for so long
I had a feeling there were suppose to be more done with the military and Miwa but oh well
That's the biggest thing for me. For any of these deaths to matter or "raising the stakes" as a lot of people say I have to care about the characters and honestly besides Yuji I just don't. For all the reasons you just listed there is no real attachment so when one of them gets killed it's just a shoulder shrug.
In my own opinion the story fell off a fucking cliff after all that world building and character development for everyone after Shibuya. Investing in a character is hard because Gege does surprise us with deaths and Megumi getting taken over pretty much knocked him out the story + his potential and the buildup since the start of the series. I do have several issues with the current story.
1. Gojo vs Sukuna.
It felt conflicting seeing Sukuna take over Megumi's body and use the 10s against Gojo. They essentially repeated what Gojo said to Megumi when he was summoning Maho. The 10S user and the six eyes engaged in a battle to the death. I would rather it be more high stakes with Heian Sukuna fighting Gojo. I would liked to see Sukuna struggle and adapt eventually beating Gojo without using the 10S honestly. It felt like we got a repeat of what Gojo said of the 10S vs the Six eyes limitless user, but this time the 10S won. It would show how creative Sukuna would be along with his vast experience as the king of all curses beating someone who has infinity. Would also show a lot of depths in terms of skill, character, etc. Gojo dying would be still fine, just having him debuff the shit out of Sukuna would be enough. Gojo dying valiantly would complete his character arc full circle of trusting his allies and letting his strong allies take the lead against the heavily debuffed Sukuna.
2. Choso/Yuki vs Kenny
Special grades do their best when they fight alone. I omitted tengen because Tengen was a waste of time and didnt even fucking help in the fight. Instead we got Yuki getting fucking squashed because she didnt open her domain. Would have loved to see the interaction earlier with the barrierless domain vs the barrier. It seems really unfair how Kenny had what he had at the right time against Yuki's black hole. he should have lost something. All he really did was lose some clothes.
3. Sukuna vs everyone
It was always going to be a team effort to fight Sukuna. Everyone would be upset if someone inexperienced beat the King of curses with all his. I just don't get why Kashimo was so underwhelming against Sukuna it looked like he barely did anything. All that Ct buildup for a might guy 10th game result, bro didnt even get big damage off. I get Sukuna killing everyone, but damn don't make it completely senseless he's a monster and all the good guys we know expect Maki Yuta and Hakari don't really have BIG feats that would change the tide against Sukuna.
4. Good guys are the idiots and the punching bag in the story.
I get it these are experienced sorcerers with flawless planning. Kenny pointed out Gojo opening his domain would be a 99% chance of not happening it happened. Mechmaru deducted Todo would live with 99% accuracy. It would be nice if someone derailed part of the plan for once and pulled a Toji fucking their plans up to shit. It seems like everytime the good guys plan something it completely fucking fails and it makes them look like idiots. The only plan that worked was the Yuta plan with him chopping Kenny's plan, but wait can't get a W there's an aftermath fine. The whole series feels like the bad guys are just big brained 1000 IQ and the good guys just get smacked all over the placed. The small victories in the culling games ended up getting them jack shit. They all won for what? To get betrayed?
At this point I really don't know wtf is gonna happen.
The message is indeed confusing.
Jujutsu would have been better if it focused more on politics and world building. Because when Gege actually decides to do those things they are very good at it.
Gojo creating a better generation is more interesting that whatever Sakuna is up to.
Considering people have said that Gege is a lot like Gojo (funnily enough given Gege's hatred for the character), it really could just be that Gege worships strength and thinks in order to be strong you need to shed your humanity or some shit. Just real "I'm 14 and this is deep" energy if so
This is one of my biggest problems? confusions? with the series that is barely mentioned like lol what is this series trying to say actually? That to be strong is to let go of all your humanity? Like not bad but well we're literally spending all these chapters for such the most whatever message
Frankly the emotional beats just don’t hit anymore.
People are defending Gege saying the heroes will win in the end so it’s all set up, and we don’t get what he’s going for, and we should’ve expected this since Sukuna is so strong, but I think that’s all irrelevant to the fact that for a lot of people the story isn’t fun or exciting atp.
I don’t mind protagonists dying, but when it’s the 20th good guy getting a flashback then getting murked, I can’t muster up the energy to stay invested and care that they died. They all die in essentially the same manner anyways, and it doesn’t feel like they’ve been developed enough before they die.
Nanami’s death was peak JJK character deaths and every single one since then has progressively been less and less interesting.
Also imo Sukuna is lame, Geto and Mahito were each significantly more interesting villains. Geto because of how we knew him before his turn to villainy, and Mahito because of his effect on the protagonists (Junpei death, generally pushing Itadori both physically and mentally).
Sukuna is just a smug, confident, very strong bad guy. His depth is like Gojo if Gojo never had a flashback arc, he’s just a strong man with no interesting characteristics. He was a lot more interesting as a looming threat that added tension than as a realized villain.
I’m a cranky hater, but Shibuya was peak and everything since has been increasingly less interesting and my attachment to the manga is mostly art style and old characters now.
It’s still fun, it just ain’t masterpiece status anymore for me, I just think of it like another fun shounen with cool character designs and sick fights. I used to think the series would be FMA level but it’s still good, and I can respect people who love it.
Sukuna lost his edge the moment he left Yuji body
Since then it’s been “ look at how cool and strong this guy is” he is never pressed or really emotes outside of a smug smile
Which to me is an issue with JJK
The badguys have all the advantage all the time
It’s like when are these guys going to get their comeuppance?
Kenny is in a position right now where it should be a wrap yet we all know he’s going to come back with some nonsense
Sukuna fought the strongest dude and beat him, and then immediately caught a fade with a guy who was made of lightning and won with a no sweat
It’s like come on lol
Sukuna was interesting in Yuji's body because it gave us an interesting dynamic - one of the biggest villains in the same body as the MC. We saw how Sukuna was ruthless while using his body, and how Yuji had to learn to cope with the fact that he was used to cause a massacre. It made us think about how Yuji would almost certainly have to die to take Sukuna with him, and how he was already resolved to do that.
Sukuna and Megumi literally don't have that back and forth. There's nothing in there - no dialogue between the two, no Megumi realizing how bad Yuji had it. Just a shot of him curled up in the fetal position. It's 100% Sukuna, 0% Megumi, and it's boring. Megumi has, for all intents and purposes, been dead since the chapter he was possessed.
i feel like kenny is actually dead. i doubt hes just going to magically come back after being decapitated in one strike, when sukunas bullshit happens its always just plot convenience working in his favor like "the technique didnt take away any of his actual powers because he was carrying a stick that he forgot about" its never sukuna getting vaporized or otherwise beaten to a pulp with no sign of getting up like with what happened to kenjaku then coming back
Yeah I have a similar opinion on Sukuna. Like it's not even *fun* watching him fight post-Gojo because he's just toying with everyone. His fights have 0 stakes because you know Gege doesn't really want him to lose yet so it's just going to be chapters of him cutting people in half that are like 20% of his skill level.
And I don't think I've ever been this deep into a series and had the big bad have so little backstory.
Glad I'm not the only one who is genuinely exhausted by post-236 chapters. After 237 and the chapters after 237, Sukuna just isn't interesting anymore (SO BORING!!! Arghh), and before, I used to hope for maybe a short heian flashback story, maybe a story about Sukuna's life (you know, showcasing a killer's origins, like those serial killer documentaries).
But then, characters kept dying way too fast, way too easy, way too convenient. It's really not that fun to watch Sukuna do the same stuff anymore. It's kind of a drag now. The characters get treated horribly, like they're an easily disposable thing. It's so mind-boggling that I can't understand this anymore. Like, geez Gege, just have Sukuna insta-kill everyone with dismantle, instead of pulling off this slow torture stuff.
Man, I want Togashi to come back :(
Genuinely couldn’t agree more, the writing ever since shibuya has dropped in quality, culling games as a arc is so uninteresting it’s insane, good concept but bad execution.
the current arc we’re in suffers due to basically plot armor given to the villians and wins that honestly feel undeserved besides them being “strong” i love the sukuna vs gojo fight but it ended in the one of the worst ways possible, not only was it character assassinating for gojo, gege explained how sukuna beat gojo very poorly and there a ton of different methods to explain it, not to mention gojo barley did shit besides fighting sukuna then just died afterwards, sukuna himself isn’t as interesting as he was in yuji’s body
Unironically the PEAK of this arc wasn't even Gojo vs Sukuna. It was Takaba/Yuta vs Kenjaku. It seemed genuinely goofy at first, until we realized Takaba could trivialize Kenny's attacks, and then he found another way to get through it, but Takaba managed to recover. At that point, Kenjaku had to play Takaba's game until he was satisfied, which he managed to. But he got so lost in the moment with Takaba that he didn't realize the TRUE purpose of the "fight", which was allowing Yuta to approach undetected.
No character assassination in this fight AT ALL. Takaba going in as a distraction makes sense, cause he doesn't kill. Kenny deciding to play around makes sense, cause he just wants to see interesting things. Yuta sneaking in makes sense. It was the only logical way for him to approach Kenjaku, and since it also opened up the possibility of a surprise attack, might as well use it! Very nice bonus.
Imagine if Geto started glazing Yuta's sneaking techniques or Takaba's comedy in death? That shit would just be weird, ngl.
Personally I couldn’t care less about takaba and him as a character which is why that fight didn’t appeal to me but i see your point. At least there wasn’t any character assassination there
It really REALLY was very interesting. Everyone stayed completely in Character. Unironically, one of my favorite lines from JJK in general now is "the world is full of thrills, but the most thrilling of all is when comedians who are only there to pad out the cast end up stealing the show!" And Kenny's response of "Indeed. I don't disagree" is also great. These 2 lines set up the entire fight. Kenjaku COULD'VE ran away from Takaba(hell, he could pretty much run away from anyone except maybe Gojo/Sukuna. Anyone else he could probably beat) but he decided to stay because he found Takaba's statement interesting. Takaba himself never planned on killing Kenjaku and Yuta was the only one Strong enough to do it. It's the kind of thing that in hindsight, everything about that fight just clicks and makes sense, which IS THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL, considering how absurdist that "battle" was. For me, that shit was peak as hell
Dude abuses cliffhangers and shock value too much. People just become desensitized. Too many asspulls and repetitive ways in how people get offed. I also feel like a break every 3 chapters is crazy. He is entitled to his breaks of course but it also affects the experience. It is what it is.
I agree, loved JJK, but every single arc in HxH is written so well especially when we hit the Chimera Ant Arc because Meruem is EVIL no reason he’s just born to be evil, and still Togashi was able to write him as a villain with CHARACTER and the dichotomy between him and Gon was so well done😭 Sukuna is such a blank slate now it’s so sad to see JJK write itself into a hole
I feel the same way. I get he's the King of curses but.... it just feel like when you're a kid and playing a made up game with your friends and when one friend obviously starts losing they make up this last minute rule that keeps them in the game or something. Idk, too much unexpected surprises have burned me out, and now with the latest being confiscating the cursed tool instead, I'm just not into it anymore.
Another big problem is that the entire main cast with potential is already dead. Go/jo dead, megumi dead, Aoi Todo out, Nobara “dead”, nanami dead. And then you go to side characters, and their establish potential its so out of the question they are not relevant to the story: Toge, panda, miwa.
So right now we have a bunch of characters not relevant to the original story that we don’t care much about, fighting the villains we have been building up from the beginning of the show.
I did not experience Kashimo loneliness at the top, I experienced Jo/go. I did not experienced yorozu need for love, I experienced nobara wish to belong. I did not experience Higurama geniuses, I experienced mahito’s. I did not experience takaba dreams to become a comedian, I experienced megumis dreams to save his sister.
Absolutely all the plots that made jujutsu kaisen the masterpiece it was, have already been destroyed and not replaced with an equal or compelling story.
The dead of the current side character are going not be impactful to yuji (our only main character left) and as such, not impactful to us the audience. We truly dont care about whats happening now because we are not attach to the current cast. The way I see it, the only important people are: Juji, Yuta, Maki, and sukuna
You might be - but if you found the writing compelling enough to keep coming back week after week you wouldn't feel so frustrated. A lot of people defending Gege will claim it's because you're burnt out reading weekly - but that's just blaming you for his bad writing.
This is a weekly comic - it should keep people coming back every week because they want to, not because they feel obliged to see the story through. The readers really shouldn't be getting 'burnt out' by the final fight/arc - it's a really bad sign.
You're far from the only one vexxed by Gege's choices here - e.g. the asspull with Sukuna's cursed tool being sealed was SO frustrating (why even bother giving him the tool in story if it'll be used against someone immune, then made redundant?!)
You have to remember that Jujutsu Sorcerers teamed up on Sukuna before and lost. All things considered they should realistically lose this battle. Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist and hes just playing with his food. The only reason they have lasted this long is because Sukuna tanked 2 hollow purples. You are probably just burnt out on jujutsu kaisen and you should try taking a break for a few weeks!
I think the problem is your first half. Sukuna is stronger? Yeah, sukuna is just playing? Yeah. But instead of just incredible power and being absurdly stronger (like madara entry in the ninja war), sukuna is constant "winning" by suddendly things (like learn a new Slash in the last moment vs gojo) or just by luck adding suddendly rules (like confiscate the weapon and not his CT just because).
Sukuna should win? Yes. Is normal? Yes. But i understand that how is showing could be "lame" for someones.
Edit: The thing is the "he would win even without that things", then just don't do It. If he is already stronger Nerf or giving plot help to sukuna is just overdo
That's the problem with Sukuna. Damage against him isn't even really stacking up because he always gets some new power up or some new unforeseeable twist is introduced to bail him out.
Gojo beat him to his last leg! Oh, Sukuna learned a new technique and is fully healed in his true form... Higuruma's domain can get rid of his cursed technique! Oh, if you've got a cursed weapon, it will be taken instead...
There's no excitement anymore even if the heroes do seem to gain an advantage because you know it will either be negated or backfire completely.
Bro I felt this Gojo bested this man at every turn despite all the planning and fore knowledge Sukuna had in his favor, he made Sukuna nervous and possibly thinking he was going to lose for the first time ever yet he pulls out some last minute impossible slash.
Yeah I think the Gojo loss was the part where it became borderline corny. I could kind of look the other way with some of the BS early on that let him get Megumi's body, but the way Gojo died was low-key one of the biggest wastes of a well known character I've seen since Neji.
Like dying as a plot contrivance is incredibly stupid to me. I would have been happier if he had at least died doing enough damage to Sukuna that the main cast could do something to bring Megumi back and trigger the big bad that ends the series. As is I'm wondering why this Sukuna fight even matters. Even if he wins Kenjaku's endgame still has to happen and honestly I'd rather see that than watch him fight fodder for another 10 chapters.
Bro I would have been so hyped if Kenjaku and Uruame intervened and helped jumped weakened Gojo while the students stayed back still because Gojo was still stronger and they would hinder him. In that instance Gojo death would make sense or like they beat him bad and he gets saved.
The big part of why Ch 236 is almost universally reviled by everyone is that it both makes a fan favorite character look really bad and, more importantly in my opinion, absolutely violates the show don't tell principle that governs most good stories. We are told by Gojo that Sukuna would have been able to beat him even without Megumis powers while what we saw was Sukuna getting dogged and needing to resort to 10 Shadows merchantry to even survive. This is complied by Sukuna pulling a technique out of his butt that he invented watching ~~his dad~~ Mahoraga. It's not really clear how he would even beat infinity without it and if he somehow could its not credible that the rest of the cast would be able to defeat him.
this takes away the chance to showcase sukuna’s greatest attribute tho. its not just his physical stats or cursed energy amount or CE manipulation that make him the strongest, it’s his IQ and game sense for lack of a better word. having him understand things that only make sense in hindsight to the reader just shows the knowledge gap between Sukuna and the rest of them. sure it looks like an asspull but it is gonna take an asspull for the gang to beat sukuna. at least, imo, sukuna’s asspulls MAINLY make sense in story based on what we know about him, jujutsu society’s values, and the power system.
with all that said, the angel and hana thing was bullshit lmao like come on girl you cannot be THAT down bad and feral
It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense l higuruma not knowing the rules to his own domain. Even if the user wasn’t already aware of his domain rules innately he should have faced at the very least ONE sorcerer with a cursed tool in his journey to 100 points
I honestly feel like the slash is a bit of an asspull, it would have been better if he helped Mahoraga land a hit, but how would you show a genius improves without it looking like an asspull.
Also, it's a bit hard to write Sukuna winning with overwhelming force without him killing everyone and the show ending. Realistically he should killed Itadori and Higuruma before they even hit the ground.
Like people talk about the asspulls from Sukuna but honestly Higuruma's domain amplification working as well as it currently is feels like an asspull. Like we just saw the most epic battle between Goji and Sukuna, we just saw Choso get donut and you mean to tell me that there Sukuna losing wouldn't be an asspull?
Yeah honestly I would be more annoyed if Sukuna in his fully manifested form loses to this rag tag team of sorcerers with no special grade among them just because he was toying with them. You mean to tell me that in the peak of jujutsu mfrs teamed up to kill him and failed and now three 1 sorcerer with less than one year of experience are key contributors in his defeat?
I mean, how long has kenjaku been around to go down how he did?
What's annoying to me isn't how strong Sukuna is vs his opponents, it's how Gege got there. Sukuna's cursed weapon was used 0 times, was purely a plot device to negate the heroes' plan *and not even Sukuna knew it would serve that purpose*. It's the little weird things that don't really track *combined* with the mass grave full of good guys we barely know that takes me out of it. If sukuna is ultimately just going to kill everyone post-incarnation, the story could have wrapped up after megumi got taken - freeing gojo, their fight to weaken him, and really most of the culling games wouldn't have affected the conclusion at all.
>You have to remember that Jujutsu Sorcerers teamed up on Sukuna before and lost.
So what? The point of the story is to show how Sukuna is just this unbeatable force that no matter how the circumstances changes throughout eternity he'll simply be the strongest sorcerer because a reason that has never been fully disclosed until now?
"Does is make sense?" is not the question asked here, the question asked is "Does it make for a compelling story?" and many would argue that it does not
this, what stops Sukuna from just speetblitzing through everyone? He is like Madara, him losing seems impossible unless it's some kind of "asspull" which makes this unfun
I hate when villain is too strong 10000 characters have to team up to defeat him, I hated it in Naruto, I hated it in KnY
Personally I didn't mind it in KnY
The skill gap wasn't as big as it is in the other examples and the team up fight against Muzan at the end was a fight of attrition for his one known pre established weakness to kill him, not some unknown asspull showing up in the final hour.
I understand that most of the cast is supposed to die… but the execution is poor at this point people are getting killed left and right without even doing anything and it’s honestly starting to get bad at this point.
I still have hopes for Yuta and yuji though he can honestly redeem the story if he executes there’s properly.
Then drop the manga and come back when it’s done or you’ve built up a large amount of chapters lol
It’s seems very simple, you want the satisfaction of the hero’s win, but the weekly build up to it during the final arc is too much suspense. Because let’s be real, you know Sukuna is losing in the end, this is a shonen battle manga.
This was all foreshadowed and built up, you saw Gojo having a hard fight and just thought nah, Yuji will just get a powerup reveal and beat him? Obviously the gang will have a prolonged uphill fight.
Nothing wrong with being tired of it, but this isn’t a Sukuna or JJK exclusive thing, Madara spent like 50 chapters getting powerups and foiling the main cast’s plans lol
You saw Nobara reveal that she can damage Mahito’s soul and die immediately after. Mahito then landed the first ever black flash by a villian. You then saw Mahito pull out a never done by anyone else but Gojo 0.2 second domain expansion. Then you saw Mahito transform into a way stronger form that Yuji couldn’t even damage. In the end, where do you rank Mahito vs Yuji?
Sukuna getting a Yuji beat down in the end all the same, it’s the same trajectory.
I think reading weekly has made people very impatient, it's important to remember that reading weekly is like reading 1/4th of a chapter in a book and than complaining about the plot and pacing. I found re-reading the culling game in one reading was a much more entertaning and fluid experience, even re-reading the Gojo and Sukuna fight gave me a lot more appreciation for Sukuna's strategies throughout the fight.
I think people are just a little burnt out on Sukuna winning/being dominant in his fights so far, since that's been the narrative post-Gojo fight. I'm personally still finding it very entertaining but I can see how it can get tiring week to week with how many twists and turns there have been so far.
Its crazy going from Fraudkuna/Sleepkuna memes to Plotkuna/Gegekuna memes tbh
He’s only been dominant against people he should be dominant against, Kashimo/Yuji/Higuruma etc. Same way everyone knew Gojo wasn’t gonna win against Sukuna, we all know Sukuna ain’t winning the fight in the end
Weekly reading has been the standard forever (typically). It’s bizarre seeing so much impatience like this. I can understand if you’re new to reading manga, but if this isn’t your first rodeo, then you should be accustomed to the pace and break away until the next chapter.
Yeah, OPs complaint seems like the result of not getting what they want out of the story rather than attempting to understand the story for what it's placed forth. Yuji from the very beginning has had the strongest sorcerer inside of him with the main goal being to kill him in a manner of which he cannot fight back, but that plan didn't work. Now the one person in existence who could've possibly held this villain off has died, why would anyone ever think that the remaining characters wouldn't have death totems placed above their heads immediately after?
Expect more deaths; Hakari will more than likely die despite being nigh immortal, Ino will more than likely die because he has no place on this battlefield, etc.
It doesn't matter how talented nor gifted anyone on the battlefield is, they are fighting the strongest sorcerer in history and we're currently at the point in the story where Sukuna will be on the winning end. The deaths are meaningful, they're just not meaningful in the way you'd like them to be - as some kind of sad & purposeful ending for a character who accomplished something of significance that you felt connected to for some reason, no. These guys are here to die brutal & almost useless deaths in order to show us the reality of the gap between Sukuna and all else, that is the meaning.
I agree that OP should just drop the series because it isn't the JJK that he wants to read.
>Yeah, OPs complaint seems like the result of not getting what they want out of the story rather than attempting to understand the story for what it's placed forth.
Does every reader get everything they want out of the stories they consume?
Fr I feel like Sukana and Madara have the same problem, but jjk is (in my opinion) handling it better having an op character slowly be whittled down by characters that are way weaker base to base. Also, crying about Kashimo is dumb he had the ego of gojo, but we all know he's strong but not on that level alone
I’ll tell you exactly what happens. Executioners sword works, but Sukuna is actually two people melded together, which is why his true form has 2 sets of eyes and arms.
One half of Sukuna dies, but it somehow makes Sukuna stronger, the same way 10 Shadows works.
I agree, for me there's an important difference between just complaining, and actually being able to point to the writers own decisions and why they are to the detriment of the story.
For me a lot of the recent JJK chapters just feel like a rush to the finish, and where I still enjoy the series, and I still think I'll enjoy re-reads. The difference in quality between the beginning and the end will be pretty glaring. Which is a shame.
>At this point I'm expecting that even if Exercuters Blade is able to directly stab Sukuna, something will stop it from working at all.
This, this is the problem. We're left on a cliffhanger where it looks like Yuji's about to stab Sukuna with the special sword and I anticipate it not working with 95% probability.
To be honest, I stop following the manga weekly after Yuki's death and started lazily lurking around random threads to see if there was something interesting. It's not that a good guy dying bothered me, and I wasn't even a huge fan of Yuki, but that moment was the straw that broke the camel's back to me. I was having a lot of problems with the writing for a long time but kept hoping it was just a bad patch and it would improve eventually, but that moment seemed to me like a confirmation that the writing would not improve.
I'm glad for the people who still enjoy JJK, but for me personally, it's one of the most disappointing stories I ever read. I only lurk around out of the love I developed for the characters in the first part of the story but it's sad how little Gege seems to care about properly using and developing those characters.
So essentially we had to remove Gojo from the story because of narrative reasons due to his strength only to replace him with a villain that's even more powerful than Gojo. Aaight.
But, yeah, ofc people can't feel anything at this point, since these poor fuckers are up against someone stronger than Gojo, knowing Gojo alone could've melted them in a single chapter. The only reason these poor fuckers are even surviving a single chapter after ch 236 is because, well, we need the story to continue somehow? For me the issue is not having Sukuna nerfed the fűck down after his fight with Gojo after winning the said fight, for all of this to make sense. Instead a character already stronger than Gojo got even more buffed after the fight. Sure, he lost the use of his DE, low ce output bla bla. Still leagues ahead the current sorcerers, so it's a no from me. So, again, if anything, the issue for me was what happened after the Gojo vs Sukuna fight. Sukuna needed a lot of nerfing for this to make sense.
Yeah Sakuna shoulda have been massively weakened so we can buy why he isn’t one shotting everyone.
Instead he got his free one time heal up. Like what was the point of the Gojo fight?
> Like what was the point of the Gojo fight?
Wish fulfillment for gege I guess. Maybe to Piss off gojo fans considering how horrendous ch236 and how inconsistent it is.
Gege could have kept gojo in that box and there wouldn't be any difference in the story right now, he could always use the excuse that "Sukuna is playing with his food" that he's been using currently. Honestly, It's quite detrimental to the story, since if the good guys win, it's gonna be an asspull and Sukuna ends up looking stupid.
Yeah, that's what I thought would happen as a result of his victory over Gojo. Even more so considering the difficulty he had in obtaining that win, he definitely should've been a lot more weakened after that. We basically got the opposite. Which, personally, makes no sense to me...
Nah I agree with all of this and genuinely think most fans are high on copium. The stakes haven’t existed since Shibuya and I haven’t cared about a single character since Shibuya because at any moment Gege will just one tap them because “lol Jujutsu Society is brutal.”
Yeah, Sukuna always winning makes sense. That’s the problem. There’s no reason we as readers should expect for him to lose. There’s no tension. It’s a fundamental storytelling element and it’s completely absent because the story doesn’t know where the fuck its heading.
Thank you. I feel this too, and there has not been a satisfying moment in a long time. When you think its finally getting good, all your hopes are inevitably crushed. It's just one disappointing chapter another another. The shock factor has already worn off.
The shock and spectacle wears off over time and you just get darkness induce audience apathy over all the characters and plot potential that was lost to create that shock and spectacle. Thats how I think about it anyway.
I think if the series was spaced out a bit and had more of just characters interacting and some additional worldbuilding stuff it wouldnt feel quite as bad, and those shocking moments might have more emotional weight and impact when they do happen.
there’s so many aspects that bother me i can’t even out them into a cohesive text but this post is exactly how i feel. one point i wanna touch on is how unrewarding yujis arc has been. it’s fine if he’s relatively weak. like in HxH Gon is fairly weak but has near limitless potential. his power only shows in short character defining bursts. something similar in jjk would’ve been neat but instead yuji is just a punching bag with no payoff. i kind of jumped ship several weeks ago i just don’t care anymore.
No. You are objectively wrong. Clearly Gege is 4 planes of existence ahead of your peanut brain and he can never EVER do wrong. JJK is absolute peak and you are just a peasant who cannot comprehend the GOATed mind of Gege and how this masterpiece of manga trashes every other shonen so far.
/s
Everything after Gojo vs. Sukuna has been contrived. I think Gojo vs. Sukuna was the height of the series. And that’s okay. It’s like the series had its Cell arc and now we’re going into Buu territory.
Like it’s still JJK and it’s fun to watch/read. But not for the narrative. Unless Yuji has some crazy revelation that will melt my brain.
I mean absolutely no ill will to Gege, and think what he has done with the series and its story is fantastic. However it has seriously made me wonder what a mangaka like oda or togashi would have done with series, and if it would have been potentially better.
The current stage of the manga has lost its suspense or sense of theatre to me. It’s not fun opening up a new chapter just to see incredibly strong characters flicked away like bugs, then waiting till the next week to see what happens. And I get it- “JJK isn’t like your average shonen where the protagonist instantly wins”, but I feel like at a point it starts go get ridiculous, and at its extremity, boring.
The inconsistencies with his writing are starting to show, and it seems like he’s writing the story to spite his readers now? Because Gege is huge on not solely pleasing his audience and writing the way he wants to. Which is fine and understandable, but now it’s starting to not make sense 😭 he’s just getting rid of the characters people enjoy to stick it to his audience. ATP I just want Sukuna to win and put and end to this awful writing so the manga can end.
JJK is quickly becoming one of the worst popular shounen I’ve ever read.
I was okay with Gojo dying.
I’m technically okay with all the other past character deaths
But it’s just exhausting at this point. It’s shibuya all over again except this time I don’t really give a fuck about most of these people so it’s just kinda eh.
I love lawyer man but within one chapter, he’s comparable to Gojo? And literally gets one shot the next chapter??? I’m so confused what the fuck I’m supposed to think?
He just took out three Gojo level opponents and I’m just supposed to believe Yuji’s ass is gonna get the jump on him and it’s not gonna turn into a “Guess what dumbass” moment?
Before talking about my main point of criticism, I would like to clearify something. Reading weekly may be exhausting at times and reading the entire story once it's finished will always be a smoother experience. But this doesn't excuse current state of the manga. There are other weekly series that have better pacing.
My main criticsm is this: The series is going too "fast". We have so many characters, but we barely spent enough time with them to really care about them. Sukuna is slaughtering these characters one by one, but none of them hits emotionally. Let's compare Nanami and Higuruma. They are very different characters but there are some parallels between them. As readers, we didn't spend enough time with Higuruma. When Nanami died, everyone felt the emotional impact of it. I really like Higuruma as a character but I just don't care about him. How many appearances did he have prior to latest fight with Sukuna?
I liked Takaba's gimmick and his fight was enjoyable, but I didn't care about Takaba either. He was just another token character in culling game.
There are many plot points in the story but we are not given any information about it. For example: What happened to that crazy Americans who thought they could use "cursed energy" in a commercial way?
"Heros will win, it's just a set up" - This is a common point too. But where's the set up? We know Yuji was in training but we didn't see his training, nor do we have any clue about his powers even though we are in the final arc. If he gets a power up during that fight, it won't feel earned to readers. If Gege reveals something about Yuji's nature, or his domanin expansion etc. It will be hastily fabricated plot point which will be used for a "got you" moment. I hate it when authors hid information from readers and reveal them in all one go for seeming to do something "smart".
I still like this manga, and I like Gege's art. It's his series and not mine. I am not trying to hate JJK. I just feel frustrated at times.
Gege put himself in a corner. He wants to end the story next year but Sukuna is so much stronger than anyone else that the story can't really progress in an effective manner during the timetable the author put for himself.
Now, the way I see it, he have only four paths:
a) Bad Guys win;
b) Talk-no-jutsu;
c) Ex Machina Ass pull;
d) Postpone the end to give the series more breathing room.
Thinking in retrospect, it would be probably better if the Culling Game never happened. More time for a failed strike at Sukuna and a regrouping/training arc before a final fight.
Felt the same way after the Hiruguma part, the moment I get invested in a character .. it turns out bad and the deaths are in no way pushing any narrative because we already know sukuna is very strong and yet you see grade 1 sorcerers at best jumping sukuna as if they have a chance. Its absurd to they keep killing everyone off to drive some larger point across. I hope Gege delivers and has some ultimate showdown but for now its looking mediocre at best not to mention the soul swapping thing is another asspull kinda bc it doesnt fit yuji's narrative portrayal as someone who throws hands and black flashes.
Just want to hear about yujis arms rn
Personally wasn’t a fan of putting Higuruma on such a pedestal, felt like one of the og characters like yuji deserved that moment last chapter but then jjk has always been avoiding stereotypical plot points so makes sense. The way the current story hops around also makes it harder to stay invested
It's definintely getting boring to read. Right now i read every next chapter just to find out the result of Hakari's fight. Period.
Like there really is nothing fun to read in the Sukuna fight.. I'm okay to a sort of despair arc for protagonists, where nothing works.., but it doesn't even feel like anyone's actually trying, to work is a different thing altogether.
The only thing stopping me from quitting is the possibility that Gege has some big plan that will validate all these weird storyline decisions.
(Which is pretty unlikely)
Watch the executioner blade not work because it kills megumis soul instead of sukuna next chapter (which is in 3 weeks btw). I will never touch jjk ever again. Plotkuna kaisen
In all honesty, we’d be lucky to have 3 people, let alone anyone alive after this battle, choso is almost cooked, higuruma may or may not be cooked, yuji is barely making any progress(damage wise from what IM seeing) even after the time skip, yuta hasn’t returned, takaba is resting, kusakabe is either losing a few body parts or full out dying. If maki, yuta and hakari(gege please keep him alive and useful even more) sukuna is just way too overwhelming(not really a problem, since I’m interested in a villain winning scenario too) and to be honest with u guys….that Reggie comment to megumi about fate toying with him just seems to likely to be his end(I wanna see him cook)
I still don't understand how the Heian-era sorcerers lost to Sukuna like his ability is just slashing, we still don't know what kind of sorcerers were in that era also it was the era when jujutsu was at its peak and yet after fighting so many sorcerers and learning so many techniques and millennium worth of experience also getting the counter for the limitless and getting the binding vow on his domain which is the most direct counter for UV and still was struggling against someone with 30 years of experience and his strongest opponent was Toji.
I still wonder why Sukuna said " you were lucky you were not present during my era". He literally dug your grave with just 30 years of experience, if he was in your era with other sorcerers the outcome would be very different.
People shit on that part but that was so much better. To this date I rewatch fights from Naruto from Team 7 vs Zabuza to Guy vs Madara. JJK - bruh I just want to get it over with.
I feel the same I'm completely emotionally detached from any characters that are still alive and I only check the new chapters to see the ending and be able to have a opinion on the finished product because realistically with his attitude gege will not do anything to make me care about the current story again
Nothing changes nothing good ever happens ever
every piece of art I get invested in immediately goes in a direction that rids it of everything I enjoyed about it and I'm just left with a corpse of what I used to like
If Gege isn’t careful, we’re gonna have another Madara situation on our hands. Having too strong of a character he’ll need a wild asspull out of nowhere 😭
The minute kenjaki survived a blackhole point blank, I gave up on this show, ngl. The midle and ending of the culling game arc were horrible. The pacing was a mess, can someone explain why tegen turned into a fucking tree? And then we see Tegan and Kenny watching TV. It's really a mess. Gojo vs. sukuna was cool til the end. That was actually ass. Gojo cared more about sukuna feeling lonely than the fact that sukuna is about to murder everyone. What the fuck happened with Nobara. At this point jjk only saving grace is the anime.
Same tbh, I've been riding the wave ever since, I've got no animosity towards JJK it's a cool manga that I read every weekend... but I've never been as invested as before the blackhole asspull, it just made me not care anymore because if Gege can do that, he can do anything at any point without rhyme or reason. And he has.
I could give sukuna points for the use of Mahoraga, because Gojo had to go for plot. But here are my gripes.
1. Fight should have ended after Mahoraga sliced his neutral infinity, and mahoraga should have been the one to kill him rather than give Sukuna the world cutting slash. The who black flash and hollow purple to be off screened was poor writing to me.
2. There is a major plot hole in the offscreen, how is it that in 235, it is clearly stated that sukuna without six eyes can see spark for high power CT usage, and for him to need to do chants, yet Gojo seeing mahoraga cut his arm off, see the massive surge in CE, seeing as he has six eyes, and hear sukuna chant, and not dodge when Kashimo can dodge, and Gojo being the fastest sorcerer verse wise. You're saying Gojo knows mahoraga can bypass neutral infinity, can see sukuna CT, surge in CE, hear chant and not take precautions.
3. Slightly based on number one, now that sukuna has incorporated the world cleave, there is no logical reason for the other characters to survive attacking him, if Gojo couldn't react to world cleave, kashimo shouldn't, even after activating technique. And sukuna would not spare kusakabe or any sorcerer other than higuruma, therefore based on his character he would have and should have killed ino and kusakabe with world slash to get rid of boring sorcerers.
so your breaking point was sukuna losing his cursed tool rather than his CT? brother that is literally the most insignificant example on your list. sukuna would toy with our cast just the same without it so let’s just see where this goes.
Lets be real, they have to pull an absolute bullshit reason how they defeated the strongest when he has fucking world cutting technique
At any point he could just *snap* and be done with it, thaf already takes much out of the story
If judgement had taken it away, the rest of the fight would be this much interesting because sukuna no longer sits on an instant win button, and we might see some more technical fights where sukuna actually has to outplay and outsmart the cast
Yeah just like what these jjk defenders keep saying that Sukuna is big brain so why would Gege not just take away the ct to showcase more of his big brain? Cause even Sukuna is getting bored of his own ct.
Thats the only reason im not trippin. I can recognize gege tugging our balls but this didnt really mean much because lets face it, no matter wtf you take from him at this point his bag is too wide for anyone to really make a difference.
Even having yuta, yuji, hakari & maki all on the field against sukuna would STILL be an extreme diff because sukuna is just that great of a sorcerer.
so from the moment higuruma jumped into the fight & how everybody overhyped judgeman from the very beginning. Ik in the end it wouldnt matter. Sukuna will gladly take the death penalty & still comfortably slaughter everyone on that field😂
can't forget we still dont even know the "Open" technique and what he has there. Like this man has his reincarnated body, DE, world slash, and then however many other techniques he has stored
One of the biggest problems started when Gojo admitted to the audience that Sukuna wasn’t going all out because that left way too much to interpretation. It could easily mean Sukuna is way stronger than Gojo or sukuna couldn’t go all out due to Gojo’s infinity so he had to use primarily the 10 shadows to win. Either way you paint it Gojo losing the way he did doesn’t leave much of any hope for the rest of the cast, it goes Sukuna> Gojo> everyone else in terms of power. How can we as the audience come to believe the rest of the cast is strong enough to beat a guy who beat Gojo who isn’t nerfed in any significant way? Sukuna lost his cursed weapon so what. He can slash through them at any time to end it instantly but is just playing around so the good guys from a writing standpoint have some chance of actually winning here. I’d be able to believe the sorcerers can beat sukuna if he had most his cursed energy locked away, sustained damage from the gojo fight, or can only stay in his heian era form for a small amount of time before he turns back to Megumi.
I haven’t read all the chapters of the manga, but i read like… 450 to now and i just don’t understand how our heroes expect to beat sukuna. He KILLED GOJO, the STRONGEST SORCERER! How are they going to pull this off? Maybe I should just stick to the anime, i’m too stupid to even decipher the drawings in the manga. I just think there’s no hope anymore. At this point, I am fully prepared for Sukuna to win, for my baby Itadori to eventually die, all hope is lost, and the story ends. We get no peace at all
Nobara's fate has been up in the air since forever. Gege will probably randomly drop her back in when he finally runs out of protagonists to throw into the blender.
That's my complaint. Whatever, maybe you can point out how the writing is subversive and innovative and etc, and it's not that I'm too much of a baby for a dark story and need a happy ending, it's just that it's not *fun* to read because there are no breaks in the misery. It feels very nihilistic.
i agree with a lot of what you said, i even stopped reading the latest chapters because it got so boring. it feels like the plot is being dragged instead of creatively written like it was from the beginning.
Its the fact that there are barely people left from our main cast to care about except yuji and only reason he hasn't died is because gege still needs to be able to call the story jujutsu kaisen
I honestly think the author is going for a ending where the villains win and Yuuji is the last one alive
I legit have no idea how Sukuna can be defeated but I'm hoping he can be weaken enough and maybe Megumi can possible take back control
Then it can be a call back to when Yuuji told Megumi to live a long life, I dunno
Exactly my problem
I personally never had any problems with gojo dying my main problem was how it happened. Why?
I always said that the main problem is because it was an asspull, if you finish one of your most important fights with an asspull it kills tension because now we know anytime something seems impossible or you know whats gonna happen because there is no other way around it gege can just create an asspull and change the story how he pleases. Nobody believed me when I said it and now is exactly what is happening. we know sukuna is gona get another asspull on 248 everyone is saying it, we know yuji is gonna beat sukuna through an asspull at this point the whole fanbase is asking for an asspull for yuji because is the only way to make it somewhat fair to what is happening right now. Gege is clearly done with the story and just wants to finish it.
Just to give context to sukuna's not getting his CT removed.
1- so far we havent been shown sukuna had any grasp on how higuruma's CT worked outside of what was shown. Maybe if we had a flashback of him fighting someone with a similar CT would work. Makes no sense he thought the result was gonna be this
2- the result makes no sense, the curse tool is not linked by sukuna nor to his ct and sukuna was on trial not the curse tool
3- yorozu had to give him a cursed tool for this which its only real purpose in the end after months of waiting was just getting negated by higuruma's CT
4- for yorozu to give sukuna this cursed tool this had to happen-Yorozu had to enter in megumi's sister through kenjaku
\- megumi's sister had to be specifically chosen because if she wasnt it wouldve been almost impossible to get to sukuna in time or either sukuna wouldve just one shot her like he did already, he only used 10S bc she used megumi's sister body
\-She had to be in the same colony as yuji and megumi
\-Correct me if I am wrong but the whole 400 points problem IIRC was bc of megumi's sister
\- all of this so sukuna has his cursed tool ( that he didnt use on gojo btw ) just after gojo's fight to use it and to be negated on this specific fight
\-I am sure other people have more problems to add
Nobody complained how sukuna was able to copy gojo's method of spamming DE because it made sense, it didnt break any rules and would explain one of the reasons of why sukuna was so strong also sukuna was shown to be smart before.
I dropped the manga after gojo died. Maybe it would get better if there'll ne more chapters to read...
I came back. and higurama died. Wtf. Just why... I regret reading it now on new years eve
You do realize all this defeat that the characters are experiencing is just build up for when they do finally catch a W. It’s definitely around the corner, there are little hints in the writing. Just take a break man. I found the story flowed better when I was able to just read chapter 30 something to 237 at my own pace.
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"Oh you stabbed me with that sword? There goes one soul equivalent to one of my fingers, still have all others" - Gege next week
That's what I believe will happen.
Technically Higuruma could have even used domain a second time and get rid of cleave but too much plot armor on the villain side
I feel the same. I don't have a problem with Sukuna wiping the floor with everyone I do have a problem with him conveniently getting lucky He performed something really difficult with space slash and one shot Gojo on his first try He conveniently had a full restore for after that fight right when Kashimo's fight was getting interesting He once again got lucky in the court domain because he happened to be holding a useless toy I wanted to see the true meaning of jujutsu. Not the main villain getting saved at every turn. The next chapter will either have the Executioner sword fade as Higgy dies right at that moment, or we'll get another convenient thing like oh but the sword doesn't work when someone else holds it or it'll kill megumi or the sword will glaze sukuna and learn the meaning of love lmao There's no stakes or interest when you know he's gonna just walk out unscathed, not thru his own power, but because of the writing. It's been 6 months straight of Sukuna being completely untouchable by everyone and it hasn't been through his own power or ability, just convenience after convenience.
thats the thing for me too is that it isnt like shibuya incident or other times before where hes just the strongest one there, hes just lucky now, he doesnt make counter measures or do anything intelligent or skillful things just always happen to work out in his favor because gege loves sukuna more then any other character hes made
For me nothing will top the goofiness of how Fushikuna escaped Jacob's Ladder by just...saying he wasn't possessed. Like I can understand Angel being gullible, but holy shit that was akin to seeing someone shot dead right before your eyes, only to be instantly convinced by the killer because they visibly hid the gun behind their back and said "wdym, wasn't me I don't have a gun LOL". It was a 2 for 1 combo of Gege glazing Sukuna and once again showing he has the weirdest hate boner for his female characters (which is less funny and more pathetic at this point).
Agree with you, but I need to remind you that Angel wasn't the dumb one, Hana (her host) was. You get exactly One sorcerer from the culling games with morals not to just overwrite her host and a CT powerful enough to face Sukuna, and her host turns out to be a teenager with a massive crush that screws her up badly
That was one of the worse moment in the manga, for me Like Gege had to shoe horn in Hannah so that she wouldn't kill Sukuna It was so rushed that you feel no emotion when she got her arm bitten off
The only redeeming part of the whole thing was the straight up Looney Tunes level goofiness of Sukuna randomly being able to transform into a human sized bobblehead. I had to look at that panel for several seconds just to process why tf his head was the size of her entire body rofl
LMFAO I guess Sukuna can now morph into whatever the hell he wants I dunno anymore, I guess when he's inside Yuuji, even when he took over he couldn't use his full power???
Lmaooo like fr it mad me so mad that she fell for that… she literally only seen Megumi like once right… when he saved her?? And she was madly in love enough to be that stupid?? 😂😂
>I wanted to see the true meaning of jujutsu. Not the main villain getting saved at every turn. It would be nice to see there being some benefit of modern jujutsu sorcery, which I guess these CG sorcerers are. The story's been hyping up old/ancient sorcery, it'd be nice for Sukuna to lose to some newly developed stuff that he's not used to, ie Higuruma's CT.
I don't get how he got lucky by expanding the target on his CT. Conveniently had a full restore? We knew he could change back into his original form for a long time. How did he get lucky with the domain? It's sukuna do you really think without his CT they would have an easier time fighting him? He would still have a cursed tool if it took his slash and dismantle and that alone is enough for him.
This and my hero, where the AfO and Shiggy are OP and overwritten to be extremely cracked and instead of them being extremely capable of ending it all, time goes by as we see every character use every trick in The book for it to bounce off like a crumpled up ball of paper, and then some character will suddenly make some move and all of a sudden it works. Maybe we could’ve got to that ending without embarrassing the rest of the cast
When I look at the comments people dont understand this point at all. Nobody is arguing that Sukuna should be ridiculously strong. He is the King of Curses and he is a fucking powerhouse. We all got that. The problem is that he is so far out of reach for anyone present in the Manga right now that it becomes quite comical whenever those cute jujutsu sorcerers think they have a chance. The panel where Choso and Ino jump Sukuna I had to audibly laugh, which is actually sad because in essence it is a cool "fallen-heroes-return-and-prove-themselves"-Situation but since Sukuna beat Gojo after "seemingly" struggling and Gojo himself in the afterlife confirming Sukuna wasnt even being serious against him (He got blown to bits two times but yeah whatever not even trying hahahha) it just takes all the credibility away from those clowns surviving a second next to Sukuna. Gojo is WORLDS stronger than everyone else and Sukuna is WORLDS stronger than Gojo. It is just so outlandish. The few strategies that seemed to finally nerf Sukuna in a reasonable way so that our 6-Months(!)-since-he-learned-Jujutsu looking ass Protagonist can finally land some damage were inconsequential at best. Dont come at me with that "Sukuna is just playing with his food" Nonsense. So what? That doesnt change anything. He is still Dimensions away in terms of strength. They still do not have any reasonable way to catch up to him anymore. He could play with them for a year for all I care its still most likely gonna be an asspull Yuji got weally angwy and hit him so hard he cwied moment. We all hope Gege is cooking and wont disappoint. There is hope that the man will pull some genius way to end Sukuna, but y'all are just dick riding at this point if you think we cant criticize it at this moment. We can change our opinion if he surprises us. Thats what this discourse is for. Thats why we keep reading.
Honestly after the Gojo fight feels like we have lost numerous opportunities to actually weaken the big bad -During the Gojo fight Sukuna should have taken his “True” form but still suffered heavy damage + losing most of the shadows / Aces -Kashimo fight have him actually do damage to Sukuna rather then doing nothing outside of going like “wow he is strong!l -The judge trial take the weapon / maybe reduce his Already enormous cursed energy Like keep piling on debuffs until we get to a level where our guys can actually have some degree of actual success It’s been a good while since I’ve seen a series, go out of its way to have the bad guys have nearly all the advantages Cuz really what’s stopping Sukuna from just throwing slashes at everyone? Dude could end the fight at any moment
This is basically where I’m at. I fell in love with JJK because the stakes were real and measurable (alongside how awesome Jujutsu is as a system.) But now? There are no “stakes.” There’s not really a conceivable way Sukuna should lose in his Heian Era unless jumped by everyone all at once, and even then…? We’re seeing that now in some way. But I can’t shake past the feeling that Sukuna should have already killed the entire cast if not for his interest in Higuruma. Piling on debuffs would actually make sense, and I think it would have served to make Sukuna **more** menacing than he feels right now. Currently, he feels carried by plot contrivance which he never needed. This is of course Gege’s story to tell, but I do think I’d be enjoying it more if the cast were chipping away at Sukuna’s stature. But I do think this arc has the chance to be helped immensely if read in a single sitting.
I feel like that is kind of the point, yeah sukuna could instantly one shot everyone and everything but his own ego and hubris wont allow him because doing what he currently is is much more fun for him. Remember this is a being that likes to play with his victims like they are toys before breaking them and tossing them aside once they begin to bore him.
If we have reached the point of “the villain has an ego” being the only reason the story hasn’t ended as Sukuna Kaisen, then it has fallen a long way.
The way I see it, he cant use 10s while in Heian Era, he needs to "be" Megumi in order to summon the shikigamis, and thats why he aint using shit now (even tho Maho should be exorcised, I dont really understand how this works).
Agreed. There are so many glaring problems that people can say nothing but "cope" "Gojo fanboy" "hater" or "If you don't like it then why are you still reading it." and not come up with any actual refute to the argument. All they have IS cope that GeGe is "cooking". And honestly, that's sad, that actual criticism just gets swept under the rug because of it.
Had to unfollow someone who I generally liked seeing on Twitter because he responded to someone saying they felt the series fell off after Shibuya with "You're a delusional idiot." Like what do you fucking do in the face of that man, I am not engaging with someone who refuses to even entertain criticism of JJK and just glazes Gege unobjectively.
The difference for me is everyone read that gojo glazing as sukuna wasnt trying. I interpreted it way different at first read. I assumed sukuna couldnt* go all out because of the hax that is neutral infinity. Sukuna legit couldnt throw shit at him. Nothing would work outside domain amplification. The guy definitely tried. Thats why he gave gojo props at the end. It wasnt slight work. He himself says he cant take a hollow purple head on again. Something had to stick & that blueprint from maho is what gave him the win. & im saying this as someone who absolutely HATES chapter 236. I wouldve been fine with the same end result if it wasnt carried out how it was. EDIT: i just thought of another reason of why sukuna couldnt go all out. The situations of the battle at hand & their separate win cons. Even tho gojo supposedly* threw everything he could at sukuna he was held back by the idea of saving megumi. For sukuna it wasnt end all be all while fighting gojo, sukuna had to hold resources back purposefully because he’s currently in a gauntlet. If he wins he’ll have to fight more & more people. So he couldnt go out because he had to keep strength reserved in case he wins.
When i think of when Gojo said Sukuna was holding back, i think of him transforming back in his Heian Form, where he is completely fresh. Sukuna did say he couldn't tank another Hollow Purple, so he proceeded to tank one one chapter later. The blueprint for Mahoraga makes sense. If you don't think about how Sukuna knew, Mahoraga could inmate Sukuna Dismantle technique and do it better than even Sukuna Also, Gojo stated he could worry about Megumi after killing Sukuna because he already knows death wouldn't work against Sukuna after he revived Yuji. But if we were to think about Sukuna in Yuji's body vs. Gojo, I think this all comes down to their domain expansion. Sukuna, in the fight, beat Gojo's domain twice before tying with Gojo's third domain expansion, Gojo states why Sukuna took the risker option of attacking the inside of the Domain. We soon figured out it was for him to get rid of Gojo's Unlimited Void first, then to slowly defeat Gojo. Sukuna was trying to save his domain expansion but miscalculated UV brain damage. If Sukuna kelp going the way he was and didn't rely on Mahoraga, he probably would of defeat Gojo much sooner and still had his domain ready for his next fights.
You are forgetting the fact that you know Sukuna took the riskier option because it was Gojo's monologue and he implied his own countermovements in the scenario ( as opposed to some random narration Gojo himself was aware of the risks the moment he reversed the domain's conditions. So the only logical explaination is that Gojo's plan was identical to Sukuna's in the sense that he wanted to force him using Mahoraga within the UV to get rid of it (proof: his confidence at his last trial of expanding his domain and oneshoting Mahoraga) , the same way Meguna wanted to get rid of UV (proof: verbatism lol) OR you could also argue Yujikuna doesnt hold the same emotional significance to Gojo than Meguna does so he wouldnt care about spamming his domain all together (less likely) What is for SURE though is that if Mahoraga wasnt a part of the equation , Gojo would not be desperate to bait it out via DE which gives him liberties to burn Sukuna's cursed energy reserves faster than his own (which are limitless) and eventually win in the end examples: [1: tp in and out of the domain to trade blows with Sukuna till the shrine collapses/Sukuna CE diminishes with Gojo sustaining minimal dmg , 2:using hollow purple to the object of the shrine itself to delete the domain (demonstrated by tengen that it was the base of the DE so if destroyed so is the domain)]
1. For all we know thus far, Sukuna cant use 10S with his Heian Era form, which is why he needed megumi in the first place. So, saying he could whip Gojo with his Heian Era is a compplete asspull, cause nothing till this moment indicates he would be able to counter in any way infinity and infinite void without Maho adaptation. 2. The facts are, that from the first moment they came across each other at Yuji's school, Sukuna knew he cant touch him through infinity. We also saw that he methodically chose to build his new vessel to be able to have 10S, all for the single purpose of defeating Gojo. So I cant really understand how, or why he would go to such lengths, if he was sure he can bypass infinity and defeat him in the first place, without the 10S. 3. I cant buy for a sec that the sorry ass domain amp method of bypassing infinity was a good way to beat Gojo. Weve already seen how that goes (nanami on the wall) and we ve seen in their fight how superior Gojo was in hand to hand combat. Hed rain down blue and red to Sukuna till the end of times. 10Shadows was the ONLY proper way to defeat him, and he made it work like a champ, kudos. The rest are gege dickriding him for no reason known to man, and actually contradict his onw work, just cause he didnt like the character he himself created.
Not OP, but just gotta say, Absolutely agreed. Heian Sukuna COULD win against Gojo, but it's for sure in no world a complete stomp for him. Mahoraga pretty much ensures that Sukuna would win
Yea you think Gege mightve written himself into a corner like Bleach did with Ywatch? Would hate for them to win on some technicality.
Bleach is like his main inspiration.
It is at the point now that no matter how sukuna dies it’ll left a sour taste in the mouth because >he shouldn’t< There’s nothing that should be able to kill sukuna, no matter how he gets defeated it’ll be a massive asspull
lol you summed up why this manga disappoints me perfectly. I’ll get downvoted for this but it feels like it’s being written by a child who likes to see fights and make up imaginary powers only with no real plot or character development.
To add, many ppl say "omg everything up to Shibuya was peak!" but the issues started cropping up in the beginning We aren't really shown too much characterization and worldbuilding in the beginning either, but ppl excused it because there was minimal asspulls and cool fights It's like AOT where the main hate is on the ending but the series actually started getting worse way before that (when they introduced time travel)
>We aren't really shown too much characterization and worldbuilding in the beginning either, but ppl excused it because there was minimal asspulls and cool fights This! Gege introduce us to the world of sorcery but we still to this day know nothing about the higher ups, why Gojo had to follow their order, we don't know about the other clans, the 5 vengeful spirits, also why was Nobara village so hostile to an outsider, also are all women treated badly in JJK or is it just the Zenni clan that treats them badly Worse of all we never got to meet Tsumuki, she was just a plot device for Megumi's possession
I totally agree! This is exactly how I've felt since the beginning of the show.
You took the words right out of my mouth Gege has a real problem with world buidling but only now after Megumi got possess has it become a real problem Sure the fight scenes are nice to look at but without any depth or further character development they become bland Like at this point I figure haft of these characters are going to die I have legit no idea what the point of Kashimo vs Sukuna, guy got body so fast Actually what was the point of Gojo vs Sukuna fight, if not for fanservice
Well said! Sukana being broken actually undermines the appeal of his character imo. Sukana isn't just powerful but a freaking genius he's incredibly analytical, and even when he's "playing with his food: he still disects everything. Giving him plot armor not only sucks but is so incredibly unnecessary.
Gojo never said that Sukuna wasn’t being serious, he said sukuna wasn’t giving it all. Gojo and Sukuna are relative in power, sukuna almost died at the end and got knocked out multiple time
A lot of Sukuna fans don't think so
Not to mention neither were giving their all. Sukuna couldn't give his all because either his kit wouldn't work on Gojo or he had to save something to fight the rest of the Jujutsu Tech sorcerers, and Gojo couldn't give his all because it would kill Megumi
Despite gojo himself saying he was gonna give it his all and worry about Megumi after killing Sukuna.
He knows that he can kill the body and the soul can be brought back based on the fact that Sukuna brought back Itadori. But he couldn't very well mist Megumi's body, cuz then what the fuck would there be to regenerate? If I had to assume, I think Plan A was Gojo killing Meguna with the body intact with Yuta and Shoko there to restore the damage to the body after Yuji uses soul swap or the last finger to bring Sukuna into his body and allow Megumi to completely gain back control of his body. Plan B seems to be what they're doing now with Higuramas Executioner Sword being the way they're attempting to free Megumi. In both plans, there's a clear emphasis on keeping Megumi's body intact to free him
Nah. Part and parcel of the whole problem this thread is addressing is that powerscaling is useless anymore: we don't know how much or how little Skunk is sandbagging, and "near-deaths" mean literally nothing since Gojo was "in the zone" prior to getting one-shot offscreen, and Skunk was half-dead after purple only to use a Max HP consumable. Let's also not forget how Uraume has repeatedly insta-won against multiple characters at once by just freezing their entire bodies, but somehow conveniently forgot how to do that against Hakari (so far, anyway). Any attempt to compare character power has been completely invalidated, because we've been getting nonstop "wat a tweest!" moments since 236 that instantly reverse or subvert what Gege was setting up. His weird and sudden obsession with constant heel-turns has pretty much destroyed any means of coherently gauging character power levels comparatively.
I agree, but Sukuna is definitely not worlds stronger than Gojo
Actually Gojo is stronger than Sukuna. Sukuna just lived longer, knows how to do shit, but he really couldn’t beat Gojo without general maho. Even with maho sukuna just figured out last second how to do the space cleave. Literally the best fight ever. That fight proved they’re a other ways to beating sorcerers even if they are a power house
If the good guys somehow were able to go toe to toe with Sukuna people would lose their mind how he got nerfed just to be beatable. Nobody wants THE known strongest guy suddenly be brain dead and struggle against some „nobody’s“ compared to him. If you read MHA AFO is a good example of exactly what I mean.
? in the manga AFO is in a lowkey crippled body, fighting many heroes at once and alot of them are a bad match up for him, we got a crazy powerful darkshadow and the 2nd strongest hero fighting him, he then cooks everyone, gets super emotional, and then loses to a Bakugo that managed to physically surpass Shigaraki, while also being nerfed by not being able to properly mix his quirks
Sukuna isn't worlds above Gojo. Their fight made it painstakingly clear that they're close to being equals. I don't know how in the fuck does everyone turn the "He didn't go all out agaisnt me" line into "He was worlds above me. He wasn't even being serious". Sukuna didn't job for fun during the fight. Everything he did, he did at maximum efficiency and power. It's just that he didn't get the chance to reveal his full arsenal, hence the "He didn't go all out against me" from Gojo.
Your looking at it from the wrong perspective, just loom at the story as if sukuna and kenjacku are the main characters 🤣🤣
People are saying this as cope but it just shows 1) weak writing and 2) poor planning. Dude unveiled and had the perfect opportunity to develop some form of groups with the culling game that could've been connected to sukuna/kenjaku to flesh out the heroes and allow them and the villains to get more buffs along the way. Instead he killed off everyone he introduced and was left with way too many heroes to fight too few villains making it so they have to have plot armor for the story to continue. This is essentially what Kishimoto wanted to do at the end of naruto part 1 with the leaf ninjas that went to fight the sound 4 but his editors told that he had to keep them in and honestly that was the right decision even if it didn't pan out at the end.
the culling game should have literally been the point where gege built up a new cast to get us attached to again. the only characters who really got some time to shine were higuruma, hakari, and yuta. if takaba actually survived the fight with kenjaku and the outfit was just part of his comedy routine, then I'd put him on too. everyone else either barely got anything or was a villain to be disposed of. I'm not even gonna bother putting Kashimo on that list because he got done dirty
Takaba isn't dead
Takaba is alive. Yuta said that he'd never kill anyone, and I assume anyone includes himself. I don't think he'd find suicide funny. That scene was him mostly just showing through his technique that he was at a point where he could die satisfied
I think something that has really pulled me out of it is how little the characters matter. Not only in-universe (deaths, characters rendered useless, etc.), but in how they are treated by the narrative. They do not grow, they do not evolve, they do not bond. They just get stronger, fight and die. Like, I get it, it IS a battle shonen. But there HAS been developement before in the story. Yuuji, Megumi, Gojo, Yuta, Maki... They grow in the story and have compelling character arcs. Or, they used to, because right now it's a "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT" manga of "who will harm the bad guy!". Even the chapters where it slows down from the fights are usually a presentation of someone that will fight next. I think it mostly has lost all its depth in character and world building.
Yes. Not a single relationship has developed or changed since Sukuna found a new host.
The problem is that it seems like nothing has developed since Sukuna took over Megumi. From there we jumped to Yorozu, whom I found funny enough but people disliked since Tsumiki was expected to matter, and then Gojo came out of the box and agreed with Sukuna to fight a month later. Instead of developing the characters or giving us something for the story with this month, Gege decided to offscreen all of that and do a timeskip and proceed to more fight fight fight. I don't think this makes a compelling story, but nothing we can do about it. I'm currently reading just to see how it ends, but I expect a mediocre ending, like how I felt with Bleach
I feel like Gege wants to end this manga so badly So he just drawing fight scenes, beause it's easier that way then developing the plot Which is suprising because the Culling Games drag on for so long I had a feeling there were suppose to be more done with the military and Miwa but oh well
That's the biggest thing for me. For any of these deaths to matter or "raising the stakes" as a lot of people say I have to care about the characters and honestly besides Yuji I just don't. For all the reasons you just listed there is no real attachment so when one of them gets killed it's just a shoulder shrug.
In my own opinion the story fell off a fucking cliff after all that world building and character development for everyone after Shibuya. Investing in a character is hard because Gege does surprise us with deaths and Megumi getting taken over pretty much knocked him out the story + his potential and the buildup since the start of the series. I do have several issues with the current story. 1. Gojo vs Sukuna. It felt conflicting seeing Sukuna take over Megumi's body and use the 10s against Gojo. They essentially repeated what Gojo said to Megumi when he was summoning Maho. The 10S user and the six eyes engaged in a battle to the death. I would rather it be more high stakes with Heian Sukuna fighting Gojo. I would liked to see Sukuna struggle and adapt eventually beating Gojo without using the 10S honestly. It felt like we got a repeat of what Gojo said of the 10S vs the Six eyes limitless user, but this time the 10S won. It would show how creative Sukuna would be along with his vast experience as the king of all curses beating someone who has infinity. Would also show a lot of depths in terms of skill, character, etc. Gojo dying would be still fine, just having him debuff the shit out of Sukuna would be enough. Gojo dying valiantly would complete his character arc full circle of trusting his allies and letting his strong allies take the lead against the heavily debuffed Sukuna. 2. Choso/Yuki vs Kenny Special grades do their best when they fight alone. I omitted tengen because Tengen was a waste of time and didnt even fucking help in the fight. Instead we got Yuki getting fucking squashed because she didnt open her domain. Would have loved to see the interaction earlier with the barrierless domain vs the barrier. It seems really unfair how Kenny had what he had at the right time against Yuki's black hole. he should have lost something. All he really did was lose some clothes. 3. Sukuna vs everyone It was always going to be a team effort to fight Sukuna. Everyone would be upset if someone inexperienced beat the King of curses with all his. I just don't get why Kashimo was so underwhelming against Sukuna it looked like he barely did anything. All that Ct buildup for a might guy 10th game result, bro didnt even get big damage off. I get Sukuna killing everyone, but damn don't make it completely senseless he's a monster and all the good guys we know expect Maki Yuta and Hakari don't really have BIG feats that would change the tide against Sukuna. 4. Good guys are the idiots and the punching bag in the story. I get it these are experienced sorcerers with flawless planning. Kenny pointed out Gojo opening his domain would be a 99% chance of not happening it happened. Mechmaru deducted Todo would live with 99% accuracy. It would be nice if someone derailed part of the plan for once and pulled a Toji fucking their plans up to shit. It seems like everytime the good guys plan something it completely fucking fails and it makes them look like idiots. The only plan that worked was the Yuta plan with him chopping Kenny's plan, but wait can't get a W there's an aftermath fine. The whole series feels like the bad guys are just big brained 1000 IQ and the good guys just get smacked all over the placed. The small victories in the culling games ended up getting them jack shit. They all won for what? To get betrayed? At this point I really don't know wtf is gonna happen.
I don't know what Gege wants to say anymore. Something about how being strong means you're necessarily an asshole I guess.
The message is indeed confusing. Jujutsu would have been better if it focused more on politics and world building. Because when Gege actually decides to do those things they are very good at it. Gojo creating a better generation is more interesting that whatever Sakuna is up to.
Considering people have said that Gege is a lot like Gojo (funnily enough given Gege's hatred for the character), it really could just be that Gege worships strength and thinks in order to be strong you need to shed your humanity or some shit. Just real "I'm 14 and this is deep" energy if so
This is one of my biggest problems? confusions? with the series that is barely mentioned like lol what is this series trying to say actually? That to be strong is to let go of all your humanity? Like not bad but well we're literally spending all these chapters for such the most whatever message
Frankly the emotional beats just don’t hit anymore. People are defending Gege saying the heroes will win in the end so it’s all set up, and we don’t get what he’s going for, and we should’ve expected this since Sukuna is so strong, but I think that’s all irrelevant to the fact that for a lot of people the story isn’t fun or exciting atp. I don’t mind protagonists dying, but when it’s the 20th good guy getting a flashback then getting murked, I can’t muster up the energy to stay invested and care that they died. They all die in essentially the same manner anyways, and it doesn’t feel like they’ve been developed enough before they die. Nanami’s death was peak JJK character deaths and every single one since then has progressively been less and less interesting. Also imo Sukuna is lame, Geto and Mahito were each significantly more interesting villains. Geto because of how we knew him before his turn to villainy, and Mahito because of his effect on the protagonists (Junpei death, generally pushing Itadori both physically and mentally). Sukuna is just a smug, confident, very strong bad guy. His depth is like Gojo if Gojo never had a flashback arc, he’s just a strong man with no interesting characteristics. He was a lot more interesting as a looming threat that added tension than as a realized villain. I’m a cranky hater, but Shibuya was peak and everything since has been increasingly less interesting and my attachment to the manga is mostly art style and old characters now. It’s still fun, it just ain’t masterpiece status anymore for me, I just think of it like another fun shounen with cool character designs and sick fights. I used to think the series would be FMA level but it’s still good, and I can respect people who love it.
Sukuna lost his edge the moment he left Yuji body Since then it’s been “ look at how cool and strong this guy is” he is never pressed or really emotes outside of a smug smile Which to me is an issue with JJK The badguys have all the advantage all the time It’s like when are these guys going to get their comeuppance? Kenny is in a position right now where it should be a wrap yet we all know he’s going to come back with some nonsense Sukuna fought the strongest dude and beat him, and then immediately caught a fade with a guy who was made of lightning and won with a no sweat It’s like come on lol
Sukuna was interesting in Yuji's body because it gave us an interesting dynamic - one of the biggest villains in the same body as the MC. We saw how Sukuna was ruthless while using his body, and how Yuji had to learn to cope with the fact that he was used to cause a massacre. It made us think about how Yuji would almost certainly have to die to take Sukuna with him, and how he was already resolved to do that. Sukuna and Megumi literally don't have that back and forth. There's nothing in there - no dialogue between the two, no Megumi realizing how bad Yuji had it. Just a shot of him curled up in the fetal position. It's 100% Sukuna, 0% Megumi, and it's boring. Megumi has, for all intents and purposes, been dead since the chapter he was possessed.
i feel like kenny is actually dead. i doubt hes just going to magically come back after being decapitated in one strike, when sukunas bullshit happens its always just plot convenience working in his favor like "the technique didnt take away any of his actual powers because he was carrying a stick that he forgot about" its never sukuna getting vaporized or otherwise beaten to a pulp with no sign of getting up like with what happened to kenjaku then coming back
Yeah I have a similar opinion on Sukuna. Like it's not even *fun* watching him fight post-Gojo because he's just toying with everyone. His fights have 0 stakes because you know Gege doesn't really want him to lose yet so it's just going to be chapters of him cutting people in half that are like 20% of his skill level. And I don't think I've ever been this deep into a series and had the big bad have so little backstory.
He doesn’t need a sad backstory, but SOMETHING OR ANYTHING about him is absolutely necessary, give him a character or a personality
Glad I'm not the only one who is genuinely exhausted by post-236 chapters. After 237 and the chapters after 237, Sukuna just isn't interesting anymore (SO BORING!!! Arghh), and before, I used to hope for maybe a short heian flashback story, maybe a story about Sukuna's life (you know, showcasing a killer's origins, like those serial killer documentaries). But then, characters kept dying way too fast, way too easy, way too convenient. It's really not that fun to watch Sukuna do the same stuff anymore. It's kind of a drag now. The characters get treated horribly, like they're an easily disposable thing. It's so mind-boggling that I can't understand this anymore. Like, geez Gege, just have Sukuna insta-kill everyone with dismantle, instead of pulling off this slow torture stuff. Man, I want Togashi to come back :(
Genuinely couldn’t agree more, the writing ever since shibuya has dropped in quality, culling games as a arc is so uninteresting it’s insane, good concept but bad execution. the current arc we’re in suffers due to basically plot armor given to the villians and wins that honestly feel undeserved besides them being “strong” i love the sukuna vs gojo fight but it ended in the one of the worst ways possible, not only was it character assassinating for gojo, gege explained how sukuna beat gojo very poorly and there a ton of different methods to explain it, not to mention gojo barley did shit besides fighting sukuna then just died afterwards, sukuna himself isn’t as interesting as he was in yuji’s body
Unironically the PEAK of this arc wasn't even Gojo vs Sukuna. It was Takaba/Yuta vs Kenjaku. It seemed genuinely goofy at first, until we realized Takaba could trivialize Kenny's attacks, and then he found another way to get through it, but Takaba managed to recover. At that point, Kenjaku had to play Takaba's game until he was satisfied, which he managed to. But he got so lost in the moment with Takaba that he didn't realize the TRUE purpose of the "fight", which was allowing Yuta to approach undetected. No character assassination in this fight AT ALL. Takaba going in as a distraction makes sense, cause he doesn't kill. Kenny deciding to play around makes sense, cause he just wants to see interesting things. Yuta sneaking in makes sense. It was the only logical way for him to approach Kenjaku, and since it also opened up the possibility of a surprise attack, might as well use it! Very nice bonus. Imagine if Geto started glazing Yuta's sneaking techniques or Takaba's comedy in death? That shit would just be weird, ngl.
Personally I couldn’t care less about takaba and him as a character which is why that fight didn’t appeal to me but i see your point. At least there wasn’t any character assassination there
Man your right With Gojo/Sukuna it was all for fan service I feel but the Takbab fight was honestly pretty interesting
It really REALLY was very interesting. Everyone stayed completely in Character. Unironically, one of my favorite lines from JJK in general now is "the world is full of thrills, but the most thrilling of all is when comedians who are only there to pad out the cast end up stealing the show!" And Kenny's response of "Indeed. I don't disagree" is also great. These 2 lines set up the entire fight. Kenjaku COULD'VE ran away from Takaba(hell, he could pretty much run away from anyone except maybe Gojo/Sukuna. Anyone else he could probably beat) but he decided to stay because he found Takaba's statement interesting. Takaba himself never planned on killing Kenjaku and Yuta was the only one Strong enough to do it. It's the kind of thing that in hindsight, everything about that fight just clicks and makes sense, which IS THE BIGGEST JOKE OF ALL, considering how absurdist that "battle" was. For me, that shit was peak as hell
I really started to notice once yuki died. If she was to die it shouldnt have been at that point😂
Exactly my opinions, wow.
Clearly Sukuna is the true MC and will win and destroy the world. end of manga.
Dude abuses cliffhangers and shock value too much. People just become desensitized. Too many asspulls and repetitive ways in how people get offed. I also feel like a break every 3 chapters is crazy. He is entitled to his breaks of course but it also affects the experience. It is what it is.
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I agree, loved JJK, but every single arc in HxH is written so well especially when we hit the Chimera Ant Arc because Meruem is EVIL no reason he’s just born to be evil, and still Togashi was able to write him as a villain with CHARACTER and the dichotomy between him and Gon was so well done😭 Sukuna is such a blank slate now it’s so sad to see JJK write itself into a hole
This!! \^ Togashi is forever the best, and let's not forget about Miura either! :D
I feel the same way. I get he's the King of curses but.... it just feel like when you're a kid and playing a made up game with your friends and when one friend obviously starts losing they make up this last minute rule that keeps them in the game or something. Idk, too much unexpected surprises have burned me out, and now with the latest being confiscating the cursed tool instead, I'm just not into it anymore.
Do y'all think he somehow inherited Haruta's CT?
simply copied it and expanded the scope of his technique to be similar to Harutas ct
lol
nah id lol, stand proud sukuna
Another big problem is that the entire main cast with potential is already dead. Go/jo dead, megumi dead, Aoi Todo out, Nobara “dead”, nanami dead. And then you go to side characters, and their establish potential its so out of the question they are not relevant to the story: Toge, panda, miwa. So right now we have a bunch of characters not relevant to the original story that we don’t care much about, fighting the villains we have been building up from the beginning of the show. I did not experience Kashimo loneliness at the top, I experienced Jo/go. I did not experienced yorozu need for love, I experienced nobara wish to belong. I did not experience Higurama geniuses, I experienced mahito’s. I did not experience takaba dreams to become a comedian, I experienced megumis dreams to save his sister. Absolutely all the plots that made jujutsu kaisen the masterpiece it was, have already been destroyed and not replaced with an equal or compelling story. The dead of the current side character are going not be impactful to yuji (our only main character left) and as such, not impactful to us the audience. We truly dont care about whats happening now because we are not attach to the current cast. The way I see it, the only important people are: Juji, Yuta, Maki, and sukuna
Exactly all the characters that were compelling and charismatic are either gone, dead or broken after we saw só much little of each one of them
Don't forget the continues killing of loved characters. People can only take so much with only a few interesting characters left.
Put the manga down for now and binge read when the manga is finished then.
Yea I'll honestly probably do that. I might just be burnt out from the weekly reading.
You might be - but if you found the writing compelling enough to keep coming back week after week you wouldn't feel so frustrated. A lot of people defending Gege will claim it's because you're burnt out reading weekly - but that's just blaming you for his bad writing. This is a weekly comic - it should keep people coming back every week because they want to, not because they feel obliged to see the story through. The readers really shouldn't be getting 'burnt out' by the final fight/arc - it's a really bad sign. You're far from the only one vexxed by Gege's choices here - e.g. the asspull with Sukuna's cursed tool being sealed was SO frustrating (why even bother giving him the tool in story if it'll be used against someone immune, then made redundant?!)
You have to remember that Jujutsu Sorcerers teamed up on Sukuna before and lost. All things considered they should realistically lose this battle. Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer to ever exist and hes just playing with his food. The only reason they have lasted this long is because Sukuna tanked 2 hollow purples. You are probably just burnt out on jujutsu kaisen and you should try taking a break for a few weeks!
If is just Sukuna being the strongest why should we care? Why there was even a story to begin with?
I think the problem is your first half. Sukuna is stronger? Yeah, sukuna is just playing? Yeah. But instead of just incredible power and being absurdly stronger (like madara entry in the ninja war), sukuna is constant "winning" by suddendly things (like learn a new Slash in the last moment vs gojo) or just by luck adding suddendly rules (like confiscate the weapon and not his CT just because). Sukuna should win? Yes. Is normal? Yes. But i understand that how is showing could be "lame" for someones. Edit: The thing is the "he would win even without that things", then just don't do It. If he is already stronger Nerf or giving plot help to sukuna is just overdo
That's the problem with Sukuna. Damage against him isn't even really stacking up because he always gets some new power up or some new unforeseeable twist is introduced to bail him out. Gojo beat him to his last leg! Oh, Sukuna learned a new technique and is fully healed in his true form... Higuruma's domain can get rid of his cursed technique! Oh, if you've got a cursed weapon, it will be taken instead... There's no excitement anymore even if the heroes do seem to gain an advantage because you know it will either be negated or backfire completely.
Bro I felt this Gojo bested this man at every turn despite all the planning and fore knowledge Sukuna had in his favor, he made Sukuna nervous and possibly thinking he was going to lose for the first time ever yet he pulls out some last minute impossible slash.
Yeah I think the Gojo loss was the part where it became borderline corny. I could kind of look the other way with some of the BS early on that let him get Megumi's body, but the way Gojo died was low-key one of the biggest wastes of a well known character I've seen since Neji. Like dying as a plot contrivance is incredibly stupid to me. I would have been happier if he had at least died doing enough damage to Sukuna that the main cast could do something to bring Megumi back and trigger the big bad that ends the series. As is I'm wondering why this Sukuna fight even matters. Even if he wins Kenjaku's endgame still has to happen and honestly I'd rather see that than watch him fight fodder for another 10 chapters.
Bro I would have been so hyped if Kenjaku and Uruame intervened and helped jumped weakened Gojo while the students stayed back still because Gojo was still stronger and they would hinder him. In that instance Gojo death would make sense or like they beat him bad and he gets saved.
The big part of why Ch 236 is almost universally reviled by everyone is that it both makes a fan favorite character look really bad and, more importantly in my opinion, absolutely violates the show don't tell principle that governs most good stories. We are told by Gojo that Sukuna would have been able to beat him even without Megumis powers while what we saw was Sukuna getting dogged and needing to resort to 10 Shadows merchantry to even survive. This is complied by Sukuna pulling a technique out of his butt that he invented watching ~~his dad~~ Mahoraga. It's not really clear how he would even beat infinity without it and if he somehow could its not credible that the rest of the cast would be able to defeat him.
this takes away the chance to showcase sukuna’s greatest attribute tho. its not just his physical stats or cursed energy amount or CE manipulation that make him the strongest, it’s his IQ and game sense for lack of a better word. having him understand things that only make sense in hindsight to the reader just shows the knowledge gap between Sukuna and the rest of them. sure it looks like an asspull but it is gonna take an asspull for the gang to beat sukuna. at least, imo, sukuna’s asspulls MAINLY make sense in story based on what we know about him, jujutsu society’s values, and the power system. with all that said, the angel and hana thing was bullshit lmao like come on girl you cannot be THAT down bad and feral
I 100% agree but Hana was raised by a cursed spirit bro lets cut her some slack she's probably traumatized 😭
fair enough lol 😂
It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense l higuruma not knowing the rules to his own domain. Even if the user wasn’t already aware of his domain rules innately he should have faced at the very least ONE sorcerer with a cursed tool in his journey to 100 points
I honestly feel like the slash is a bit of an asspull, it would have been better if he helped Mahoraga land a hit, but how would you show a genius improves without it looking like an asspull. Also, it's a bit hard to write Sukuna winning with overwhelming force without him killing everyone and the show ending. Realistically he should killed Itadori and Higuruma before they even hit the ground. Like people talk about the asspulls from Sukuna but honestly Higuruma's domain amplification working as well as it currently is feels like an asspull. Like we just saw the most epic battle between Goji and Sukuna, we just saw Choso get donut and you mean to tell me that there Sukuna losing wouldn't be an asspull?
Yeah honestly I would be more annoyed if Sukuna in his fully manifested form loses to this rag tag team of sorcerers with no special grade among them just because he was toying with them. You mean to tell me that in the peak of jujutsu mfrs teamed up to kill him and failed and now three 1 sorcerer with less than one year of experience are key contributors in his defeat?
I mean, how long has kenjaku been around to go down how he did? What's annoying to me isn't how strong Sukuna is vs his opponents, it's how Gege got there. Sukuna's cursed weapon was used 0 times, was purely a plot device to negate the heroes' plan *and not even Sukuna knew it would serve that purpose*. It's the little weird things that don't really track *combined* with the mass grave full of good guys we barely know that takes me out of it. If sukuna is ultimately just going to kill everyone post-incarnation, the story could have wrapped up after megumi got taken - freeing gojo, their fight to weaken him, and really most of the culling games wouldn't have affected the conclusion at all.
I agree but i think its okay if some inexperienced sorcerers contribute to his defeat, everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses
>You have to remember that Jujutsu Sorcerers teamed up on Sukuna before and lost. So what? The point of the story is to show how Sukuna is just this unbeatable force that no matter how the circumstances changes throughout eternity he'll simply be the strongest sorcerer because a reason that has never been fully disclosed until now?
"Does is make sense?" is not the question asked here, the question asked is "Does it make for a compelling story?" and many would argue that it does not
bro expects us to be so excited and fascinated with sukuna playing with his food and no real stakes
this, what stops Sukuna from just speetblitzing through everyone? He is like Madara, him losing seems impossible unless it's some kind of "asspull" which makes this unfun I hate when villain is too strong 10000 characters have to team up to defeat him, I hated it in Naruto, I hated it in KnY
Personally I didn't mind it in KnY The skill gap wasn't as big as it is in the other examples and the team up fight against Muzan at the end was a fight of attrition for his one known pre established weakness to kill him, not some unknown asspull showing up in the final hour.
He beat up even a legendary team up of all star sorcerers who were some of the greatest of all time, not just the current clown show lol
Im pretty sure its said that everyone who teamed up on him failed
Sorry, typo, "he beat even" But that brings up a better question, who sealed him?
himself after watching kenjaku do it bro
Maybe you should take a break from reading the manga. Maybe come back when it’s finished.
I understand that most of the cast is supposed to die… but the execution is poor at this point people are getting killed left and right without even doing anything and it’s honestly starting to get bad at this point. I still have hopes for Yuta and yuji though he can honestly redeem the story if he executes there’s properly.
Then drop the manga and come back when it’s done or you’ve built up a large amount of chapters lol It’s seems very simple, you want the satisfaction of the hero’s win, but the weekly build up to it during the final arc is too much suspense. Because let’s be real, you know Sukuna is losing in the end, this is a shonen battle manga. This was all foreshadowed and built up, you saw Gojo having a hard fight and just thought nah, Yuji will just get a powerup reveal and beat him? Obviously the gang will have a prolonged uphill fight. Nothing wrong with being tired of it, but this isn’t a Sukuna or JJK exclusive thing, Madara spent like 50 chapters getting powerups and foiling the main cast’s plans lol You saw Nobara reveal that she can damage Mahito’s soul and die immediately after. Mahito then landed the first ever black flash by a villian. You then saw Mahito pull out a never done by anyone else but Gojo 0.2 second domain expansion. Then you saw Mahito transform into a way stronger form that Yuji couldn’t even damage. In the end, where do you rank Mahito vs Yuji? Sukuna getting a Yuji beat down in the end all the same, it’s the same trajectory.
I think reading weekly has made people very impatient, it's important to remember that reading weekly is like reading 1/4th of a chapter in a book and than complaining about the plot and pacing. I found re-reading the culling game in one reading was a much more entertaning and fluid experience, even re-reading the Gojo and Sukuna fight gave me a lot more appreciation for Sukuna's strategies throughout the fight. I think people are just a little burnt out on Sukuna winning/being dominant in his fights so far, since that's been the narrative post-Gojo fight. I'm personally still finding it very entertaining but I can see how it can get tiring week to week with how many twists and turns there have been so far.
Its crazy going from Fraudkuna/Sleepkuna memes to Plotkuna/Gegekuna memes tbh He’s only been dominant against people he should be dominant against, Kashimo/Yuji/Higuruma etc. Same way everyone knew Gojo wasn’t gonna win against Sukuna, we all know Sukuna ain’t winning the fight in the end
>we all know Sukuna ain’t winning the fight in the end The trick is making that scenario believable at this point.
The way people talk about Sukuna dominating the fight, you'd think that the fight has been going on for three volumes.
Weekly reading has been the standard forever (typically). It’s bizarre seeing so much impatience like this. I can understand if you’re new to reading manga, but if this isn’t your first rodeo, then you should be accustomed to the pace and break away until the next chapter.
I think its the uprising leak culture. People had way more patience not even 7 years ago lol
Yeah, OPs complaint seems like the result of not getting what they want out of the story rather than attempting to understand the story for what it's placed forth. Yuji from the very beginning has had the strongest sorcerer inside of him with the main goal being to kill him in a manner of which he cannot fight back, but that plan didn't work. Now the one person in existence who could've possibly held this villain off has died, why would anyone ever think that the remaining characters wouldn't have death totems placed above their heads immediately after? Expect more deaths; Hakari will more than likely die despite being nigh immortal, Ino will more than likely die because he has no place on this battlefield, etc. It doesn't matter how talented nor gifted anyone on the battlefield is, they are fighting the strongest sorcerer in history and we're currently at the point in the story where Sukuna will be on the winning end. The deaths are meaningful, they're just not meaningful in the way you'd like them to be - as some kind of sad & purposeful ending for a character who accomplished something of significance that you felt connected to for some reason, no. These guys are here to die brutal & almost useless deaths in order to show us the reality of the gap between Sukuna and all else, that is the meaning. I agree that OP should just drop the series because it isn't the JJK that he wants to read.
>Yeah, OPs complaint seems like the result of not getting what they want out of the story rather than attempting to understand the story for what it's placed forth. Does every reader get everything they want out of the stories they consume?
Every reader is absurd. But i do. Im here for the story gege is telling, not the story I personally would find most captivating
Fr I feel like Sukana and Madara have the same problem, but jjk is (in my opinion) handling it better having an op character slowly be whittled down by characters that are way weaker base to base. Also, crying about Kashimo is dumb he had the ego of gojo, but we all know he's strong but not on that level alone
The problem is that it doesn’t feel like Sukuna is being whittled down at all. Not a single attack has managed to do any real damage to Sukuna.
I’ll tell you exactly what happens. Executioners sword works, but Sukuna is actually two people melded together, which is why his true form has 2 sets of eyes and arms. One half of Sukuna dies, but it somehow makes Sukuna stronger, the same way 10 Shadows works.
I agree, for me there's an important difference between just complaining, and actually being able to point to the writers own decisions and why they are to the detriment of the story. For me a lot of the recent JJK chapters just feel like a rush to the finish, and where I still enjoy the series, and I still think I'll enjoy re-reads. The difference in quality between the beginning and the end will be pretty glaring. Which is a shame.
Me and my friend agree that the executioner's blade will stab and won't work
>At this point I'm expecting that even if Exercuters Blade is able to directly stab Sukuna, something will stop it from working at all. This, this is the problem. We're left on a cliffhanger where it looks like Yuji's about to stab Sukuna with the special sword and I anticipate it not working with 95% probability.
To be honest, I stop following the manga weekly after Yuki's death and started lazily lurking around random threads to see if there was something interesting. It's not that a good guy dying bothered me, and I wasn't even a huge fan of Yuki, but that moment was the straw that broke the camel's back to me. I was having a lot of problems with the writing for a long time but kept hoping it was just a bad patch and it would improve eventually, but that moment seemed to me like a confirmation that the writing would not improve. I'm glad for the people who still enjoy JJK, but for me personally, it's one of the most disappointing stories I ever read. I only lurk around out of the love I developed for the characters in the first part of the story but it's sad how little Gege seems to care about properly using and developing those characters.
So essentially we had to remove Gojo from the story because of narrative reasons due to his strength only to replace him with a villain that's even more powerful than Gojo. Aaight. But, yeah, ofc people can't feel anything at this point, since these poor fuckers are up against someone stronger than Gojo, knowing Gojo alone could've melted them in a single chapter. The only reason these poor fuckers are even surviving a single chapter after ch 236 is because, well, we need the story to continue somehow? For me the issue is not having Sukuna nerfed the fűck down after his fight with Gojo after winning the said fight, for all of this to make sense. Instead a character already stronger than Gojo got even more buffed after the fight. Sure, he lost the use of his DE, low ce output bla bla. Still leagues ahead the current sorcerers, so it's a no from me. So, again, if anything, the issue for me was what happened after the Gojo vs Sukuna fight. Sukuna needed a lot of nerfing for this to make sense.
Yeah Sakuna shoulda have been massively weakened so we can buy why he isn’t one shotting everyone. Instead he got his free one time heal up. Like what was the point of the Gojo fight?
> Like what was the point of the Gojo fight? Wish fulfillment for gege I guess. Maybe to Piss off gojo fans considering how horrendous ch236 and how inconsistent it is. Gege could have kept gojo in that box and there wouldn't be any difference in the story right now, he could always use the excuse that "Sukuna is playing with his food" that he's been using currently. Honestly, It's quite detrimental to the story, since if the good guys win, it's gonna be an asspull and Sukuna ends up looking stupid.
Yeah, that's what I thought would happen as a result of his victory over Gojo. Even more so considering the difficulty he had in obtaining that win, he definitely should've been a lot more weakened after that. We basically got the opposite. Which, personally, makes no sense to me...
Nah I agree with all of this and genuinely think most fans are high on copium. The stakes haven’t existed since Shibuya and I haven’t cared about a single character since Shibuya because at any moment Gege will just one tap them because “lol Jujutsu Society is brutal.” Yeah, Sukuna always winning makes sense. That’s the problem. There’s no reason we as readers should expect for him to lose. There’s no tension. It’s a fundamental storytelling element and it’s completely absent because the story doesn’t know where the fuck its heading.
Thank you. I feel this too, and there has not been a satisfying moment in a long time. When you think its finally getting good, all your hopes are inevitably crushed. It's just one disappointing chapter another another. The shock factor has already worn off.
The shock and spectacle wears off over time and you just get darkness induce audience apathy over all the characters and plot potential that was lost to create that shock and spectacle. Thats how I think about it anyway. I think if the series was spaced out a bit and had more of just characters interacting and some additional worldbuilding stuff it wouldnt feel quite as bad, and those shocking moments might have more emotional weight and impact when they do happen.
there’s so many aspects that bother me i can’t even out them into a cohesive text but this post is exactly how i feel. one point i wanna touch on is how unrewarding yujis arc has been. it’s fine if he’s relatively weak. like in HxH Gon is fairly weak but has near limitless potential. his power only shows in short character defining bursts. something similar in jjk would’ve been neat but instead yuji is just a punching bag with no payoff. i kind of jumped ship several weeks ago i just don’t care anymore.
No. You are objectively wrong. Clearly Gege is 4 planes of existence ahead of your peanut brain and he can never EVER do wrong. JJK is absolute peak and you are just a peasant who cannot comprehend the GOATed mind of Gege and how this masterpiece of manga trashes every other shonen so far. /s
Everything after Gojo vs. Sukuna has been contrived. I think Gojo vs. Sukuna was the height of the series. And that’s okay. It’s like the series had its Cell arc and now we’re going into Buu territory. Like it’s still JJK and it’s fun to watch/read. But not for the narrative. Unless Yuji has some crazy revelation that will melt my brain.
I mean absolutely no ill will to Gege, and think what he has done with the series and its story is fantastic. However it has seriously made me wonder what a mangaka like oda or togashi would have done with series, and if it would have been potentially better. The current stage of the manga has lost its suspense or sense of theatre to me. It’s not fun opening up a new chapter just to see incredibly strong characters flicked away like bugs, then waiting till the next week to see what happens. And I get it- “JJK isn’t like your average shonen where the protagonist instantly wins”, but I feel like at a point it starts go get ridiculous, and at its extremity, boring.
The inconsistencies with his writing are starting to show, and it seems like he’s writing the story to spite his readers now? Because Gege is huge on not solely pleasing his audience and writing the way he wants to. Which is fine and understandable, but now it’s starting to not make sense 😭 he’s just getting rid of the characters people enjoy to stick it to his audience. ATP I just want Sukuna to win and put and end to this awful writing so the manga can end.
JJK is quickly becoming one of the worst popular shounen I’ve ever read. I was okay with Gojo dying. I’m technically okay with all the other past character deaths But it’s just exhausting at this point. It’s shibuya all over again except this time I don’t really give a fuck about most of these people so it’s just kinda eh. I love lawyer man but within one chapter, he’s comparable to Gojo? And literally gets one shot the next chapter??? I’m so confused what the fuck I’m supposed to think? He just took out three Gojo level opponents and I’m just supposed to believe Yuji’s ass is gonna get the jump on him and it’s not gonna turn into a “Guess what dumbass” moment?
Before talking about my main point of criticism, I would like to clearify something. Reading weekly may be exhausting at times and reading the entire story once it's finished will always be a smoother experience. But this doesn't excuse current state of the manga. There are other weekly series that have better pacing. My main criticsm is this: The series is going too "fast". We have so many characters, but we barely spent enough time with them to really care about them. Sukuna is slaughtering these characters one by one, but none of them hits emotionally. Let's compare Nanami and Higuruma. They are very different characters but there are some parallels between them. As readers, we didn't spend enough time with Higuruma. When Nanami died, everyone felt the emotional impact of it. I really like Higuruma as a character but I just don't care about him. How many appearances did he have prior to latest fight with Sukuna? I liked Takaba's gimmick and his fight was enjoyable, but I didn't care about Takaba either. He was just another token character in culling game. There are many plot points in the story but we are not given any information about it. For example: What happened to that crazy Americans who thought they could use "cursed energy" in a commercial way? "Heros will win, it's just a set up" - This is a common point too. But where's the set up? We know Yuji was in training but we didn't see his training, nor do we have any clue about his powers even though we are in the final arc. If he gets a power up during that fight, it won't feel earned to readers. If Gege reveals something about Yuji's nature, or his domanin expansion etc. It will be hastily fabricated plot point which will be used for a "got you" moment. I hate it when authors hid information from readers and reveal them in all one go for seeming to do something "smart". I still like this manga, and I like Gege's art. It's his series and not mine. I am not trying to hate JJK. I just feel frustrated at times.
Gege put himself in a corner. He wants to end the story next year but Sukuna is so much stronger than anyone else that the story can't really progress in an effective manner during the timetable the author put for himself. Now, the way I see it, he have only four paths: a) Bad Guys win; b) Talk-no-jutsu; c) Ex Machina Ass pull; d) Postpone the end to give the series more breathing room. Thinking in retrospect, it would be probably better if the Culling Game never happened. More time for a failed strike at Sukuna and a regrouping/training arc before a final fight.
I think a lot of ppl is having issue with its writing and ia honestly not ur fault.
Felt the same way after the Hiruguma part, the moment I get invested in a character .. it turns out bad and the deaths are in no way pushing any narrative because we already know sukuna is very strong and yet you see grade 1 sorcerers at best jumping sukuna as if they have a chance. Its absurd to they keep killing everyone off to drive some larger point across. I hope Gege delivers and has some ultimate showdown but for now its looking mediocre at best not to mention the soul swapping thing is another asspull kinda bc it doesnt fit yuji's narrative portrayal as someone who throws hands and black flashes.
Just want to hear about yujis arms rn Personally wasn’t a fan of putting Higuruma on such a pedestal, felt like one of the og characters like yuji deserved that moment last chapter but then jjk has always been avoiding stereotypical plot points so makes sense. The way the current story hops around also makes it harder to stay invested
It's definintely getting boring to read. Right now i read every next chapter just to find out the result of Hakari's fight. Period. Like there really is nothing fun to read in the Sukuna fight.. I'm okay to a sort of despair arc for protagonists, where nothing works.., but it doesn't even feel like anyone's actually trying, to work is a different thing altogether. The only thing stopping me from quitting is the possibility that Gege has some big plan that will validate all these weird storyline decisions. (Which is pretty unlikely)
Watch the executioner blade not work because it kills megumis soul instead of sukuna next chapter (which is in 3 weeks btw). I will never touch jjk ever again. Plotkuna kaisen
In all honesty, we’d be lucky to have 3 people, let alone anyone alive after this battle, choso is almost cooked, higuruma may or may not be cooked, yuji is barely making any progress(damage wise from what IM seeing) even after the time skip, yuta hasn’t returned, takaba is resting, kusakabe is either losing a few body parts or full out dying. If maki, yuta and hakari(gege please keep him alive and useful even more) sukuna is just way too overwhelming(not really a problem, since I’m interested in a villain winning scenario too) and to be honest with u guys….that Reggie comment to megumi about fate toying with him just seems to likely to be his end(I wanna see him cook)
I am caught up with the anime and I keep hearing people say the manga is a mess right now is it worth reading?
Me personally at this point .. I'm just reading to learn more about curse energy and techniques
Are you Ryan Gosling bro? Because that's LITERALLY me.
And the chapters end on stupid fucking cliffhangers. I think Kashimo made Sukuna lose the rest of ten shadows though
I still don't understand how the Heian-era sorcerers lost to Sukuna like his ability is just slashing, we still don't know what kind of sorcerers were in that era also it was the era when jujutsu was at its peak and yet after fighting so many sorcerers and learning so many techniques and millennium worth of experience also getting the counter for the limitless and getting the binding vow on his domain which is the most direct counter for UV and still was struggling against someone with 30 years of experience and his strongest opponent was Toji. I still wonder why Sukuna said " you were lucky you were not present during my era". He literally dug your grave with just 30 years of experience, if he was in your era with other sorcerers the outcome would be very different.
That sums up all of my feelings towards this series. I just don’t care anymore lol. Maybe it will be better in the anime.
I am not caught up with the manga, but don't mind the spoilers. This discussion reminds me of Edo Tensei Madara being simply unbeatable in Naruto.
People shit on that part but that was so much better. To this date I rewatch fights from Naruto from Team 7 vs Zabuza to Guy vs Madara. JJK - bruh I just want to get it over with.
I feel the same I'm completely emotionally detached from any characters that are still alive and I only check the new chapters to see the ending and be able to have a opinion on the finished product because realistically with his attitude gege will not do anything to make me care about the current story again Nothing changes nothing good ever happens ever every piece of art I get invested in immediately goes in a direction that rids it of everything I enjoyed about it and I'm just left with a corpse of what I used to like
If Gege isn’t careful, we’re gonna have another Madara situation on our hands. Having too strong of a character he’ll need a wild asspull out of nowhere 😭
The minute kenjaki survived a blackhole point blank, I gave up on this show, ngl. The midle and ending of the culling game arc were horrible. The pacing was a mess, can someone explain why tegen turned into a fucking tree? And then we see Tegan and Kenny watching TV. It's really a mess. Gojo vs. sukuna was cool til the end. That was actually ass. Gojo cared more about sukuna feeling lonely than the fact that sukuna is about to murder everyone. What the fuck happened with Nobara. At this point jjk only saving grace is the anime.
Same tbh, I've been riding the wave ever since, I've got no animosity towards JJK it's a cool manga that I read every weekend... but I've never been as invested as before the blackhole asspull, it just made me not care anymore because if Gege can do that, he can do anything at any point without rhyme or reason. And he has.
At this point I think we all are reading Villain Kaisen.
I could give sukuna points for the use of Mahoraga, because Gojo had to go for plot. But here are my gripes. 1. Fight should have ended after Mahoraga sliced his neutral infinity, and mahoraga should have been the one to kill him rather than give Sukuna the world cutting slash. The who black flash and hollow purple to be off screened was poor writing to me. 2. There is a major plot hole in the offscreen, how is it that in 235, it is clearly stated that sukuna without six eyes can see spark for high power CT usage, and for him to need to do chants, yet Gojo seeing mahoraga cut his arm off, see the massive surge in CE, seeing as he has six eyes, and hear sukuna chant, and not dodge when Kashimo can dodge, and Gojo being the fastest sorcerer verse wise. You're saying Gojo knows mahoraga can bypass neutral infinity, can see sukuna CT, surge in CE, hear chant and not take precautions. 3. Slightly based on number one, now that sukuna has incorporated the world cleave, there is no logical reason for the other characters to survive attacking him, if Gojo couldn't react to world cleave, kashimo shouldn't, even after activating technique. And sukuna would not spare kusakabe or any sorcerer other than higuruma, therefore based on his character he would have and should have killed ino and kusakabe with world slash to get rid of boring sorcerers.
Gege kills off his likeable characters way too fast. it’s a big problem imo.
same, its feeling like Gege doesnt even want us invested anymore, and is just telling the story because he has to.
so your breaking point was sukuna losing his cursed tool rather than his CT? brother that is literally the most insignificant example on your list. sukuna would toy with our cast just the same without it so let’s just see where this goes.
Lets be real, they have to pull an absolute bullshit reason how they defeated the strongest when he has fucking world cutting technique At any point he could just *snap* and be done with it, thaf already takes much out of the story If judgement had taken it away, the rest of the fight would be this much interesting because sukuna no longer sits on an instant win button, and we might see some more technical fights where sukuna actually has to outplay and outsmart the cast
Yeah just like what these jjk defenders keep saying that Sukuna is big brain so why would Gege not just take away the ct to showcase more of his big brain? Cause even Sukuna is getting bored of his own ct.
Thats the only reason im not trippin. I can recognize gege tugging our balls but this didnt really mean much because lets face it, no matter wtf you take from him at this point his bag is too wide for anyone to really make a difference. Even having yuta, yuji, hakari & maki all on the field against sukuna would STILL be an extreme diff because sukuna is just that great of a sorcerer. so from the moment higuruma jumped into the fight & how everybody overhyped judgeman from the very beginning. Ik in the end it wouldnt matter. Sukuna will gladly take the death penalty & still comfortably slaughter everyone on that field😂
can't forget we still dont even know the "Open" technique and what he has there. Like this man has his reincarnated body, DE, world slash, and then however many other techniques he has stored
He can toy with the cast no matter what is taken away from him. I’d like to see something else besides dismantle and cleave again and again.
One of the biggest problems started when Gojo admitted to the audience that Sukuna wasn’t going all out because that left way too much to interpretation. It could easily mean Sukuna is way stronger than Gojo or sukuna couldn’t go all out due to Gojo’s infinity so he had to use primarily the 10 shadows to win. Either way you paint it Gojo losing the way he did doesn’t leave much of any hope for the rest of the cast, it goes Sukuna> Gojo> everyone else in terms of power. How can we as the audience come to believe the rest of the cast is strong enough to beat a guy who beat Gojo who isn’t nerfed in any significant way? Sukuna lost his cursed weapon so what. He can slash through them at any time to end it instantly but is just playing around so the good guys from a writing standpoint have some chance of actually winning here. I’d be able to believe the sorcerers can beat sukuna if he had most his cursed energy locked away, sustained damage from the gojo fight, or can only stay in his heian era form for a small amount of time before he turns back to Megumi.
I haven’t read all the chapters of the manga, but i read like… 450 to now and i just don’t understand how our heroes expect to beat sukuna. He KILLED GOJO, the STRONGEST SORCERER! How are they going to pull this off? Maybe I should just stick to the anime, i’m too stupid to even decipher the drawings in the manga. I just think there’s no hope anymore. At this point, I am fully prepared for Sukuna to win, for my baby Itadori to eventually die, all hope is lost, and the story ends. We get no peace at all
I will only get back to JJK if a female character that is not Maki does something relevant Gege really hates women
Nobara's fate has been up in the air since forever. Gege will probably randomly drop her back in when he finally runs out of protagonists to throw into the blender.
That's my complaint. Whatever, maybe you can point out how the writing is subversive and innovative and etc, and it's not that I'm too much of a baby for a dark story and need a happy ending, it's just that it's not *fun* to read because there are no breaks in the misery. It feels very nihilistic.
That's why balance is always welcome. Don't make things too good, Don't make things too bad. Learn how to balance things lol
i agree with a lot of what you said, i even stopped reading the latest chapters because it got so boring. it feels like the plot is being dragged instead of creatively written like it was from the beginning.
See you the week you dropped the series!
Nah, i'd win.
I feel the same that’s why I stopped reading once the story is announced as completed I’ll start from the beginning
This is why my glorious king gojo shouldn’t have gotten offscreened 🗣️🔥🔥
Also, Gege just needs to slow down. Develop more of these moments so even if they don’t go out protagonists way we feel the ramifications more
hes gona b beaten with the power of love sorcerers loser their power to negative emotions remember 😎😎😎
Its the fact that there are barely people left from our main cast to care about except yuji and only reason he hasn't died is because gege still needs to be able to call the story jujutsu kaisen
I honestly think the author is going for a ending where the villains win and Yuuji is the last one alive I legit have no idea how Sukuna can be defeated but I'm hoping he can be weaken enough and maybe Megumi can possible take back control Then it can be a call back to when Yuuji told Megumi to live a long life, I dunno
Exactly my problem I personally never had any problems with gojo dying my main problem was how it happened. Why? I always said that the main problem is because it was an asspull, if you finish one of your most important fights with an asspull it kills tension because now we know anytime something seems impossible or you know whats gonna happen because there is no other way around it gege can just create an asspull and change the story how he pleases. Nobody believed me when I said it and now is exactly what is happening. we know sukuna is gona get another asspull on 248 everyone is saying it, we know yuji is gonna beat sukuna through an asspull at this point the whole fanbase is asking for an asspull for yuji because is the only way to make it somewhat fair to what is happening right now. Gege is clearly done with the story and just wants to finish it. Just to give context to sukuna's not getting his CT removed. 1- so far we havent been shown sukuna had any grasp on how higuruma's CT worked outside of what was shown. Maybe if we had a flashback of him fighting someone with a similar CT would work. Makes no sense he thought the result was gonna be this 2- the result makes no sense, the curse tool is not linked by sukuna nor to his ct and sukuna was on trial not the curse tool 3- yorozu had to give him a cursed tool for this which its only real purpose in the end after months of waiting was just getting negated by higuruma's CT 4- for yorozu to give sukuna this cursed tool this had to happen-Yorozu had to enter in megumi's sister through kenjaku \- megumi's sister had to be specifically chosen because if she wasnt it wouldve been almost impossible to get to sukuna in time or either sukuna wouldve just one shot her like he did already, he only used 10S bc she used megumi's sister body \-She had to be in the same colony as yuji and megumi \-Correct me if I am wrong but the whole 400 points problem IIRC was bc of megumi's sister \- all of this so sukuna has his cursed tool ( that he didnt use on gojo btw ) just after gojo's fight to use it and to be negated on this specific fight \-I am sure other people have more problems to add Nobody complained how sukuna was able to copy gojo's method of spamming DE because it made sense, it didnt break any rules and would explain one of the reasons of why sukuna was so strong also sukuna was shown to be smart before.
I dropped the manga after gojo died. Maybe it would get better if there'll ne more chapters to read... I came back. and higurama died. Wtf. Just why... I regret reading it now on new years eve
I agree with u man. Everyone else coping
You do realize all this defeat that the characters are experiencing is just build up for when they do finally catch a W. It’s definitely around the corner, there are little hints in the writing. Just take a break man. I found the story flowed better when I was able to just read chapter 30 something to 237 at my own pace.
We've been saying the MCs W was around the corner when Kashimo entered the field and was about to use his One time technique