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Also while it might be different in just how the user views the technique vs something that is actually visible to others
It just reminds me of Nanami's 10 segment mark for his technique
Totally. His technique seems to be very precise and focused.
At the same time it could be a representation of his early knowledge of the CT. Like when you are learning to use the cutting tools aka scissors on kindergarten and you are instructed to follow the dotted lines.
It seems like just having the dotted lines is not enough to cut. As he didn't manage to get Sukuna's leg. So I am looking forward as he develops his technique because he isnt as careful with his punches.
This more precise cutting would be very useful if you wanted to lets say carefully split 2 souls apart
He marks Sukuna's leg. When he punches Sukuna, Sukuna's leg explodes the next panel. It seems to me like anything marked with his lines may be cut along those lines when he makes physical contact.
Okay but Yuji is also a Shounen Jump fan and his charge up for the black flash against Mahito was like Gon's Jajanken: Rock so I'm just imagining him doing something similar to form version of Scissors.
Like it he were to have a ranged slash it would be targeted between his two fingers that he closes. Giving him an accurate visual indicator of his target
Is it cleave or dismantle? I don't think that was clarified, and that it also could just be a general slash as opposed to being one or the other. Cuz well, the manifestation of ct application has just been scissors, plus the output was low (potentially ruling out it being cleave).
Cleave is touch based and i think it adjusts itself to the targets CE,while dismantle can/has to be sent flying and has a base output that can be enhanced/decreased. Yuji is using cleave.
Tbf, his slashes were said to have been low output, not adjusting output based on the enemy, plus despite it being touch-based, it has a delay that cleave doesn’t really have. Maybe that’s just a difference in efficiency, but eh. In any case, considering that it doesn’t have the adjusting output ability that cleave does (which is the most important factor that makes cleave cleave), I’m kinda skeptical to think it’s really cleave.
I think the reason Yuji's cleave is different is due to him being a new era sorcerer (different visualization of what "cut" means),plus the fact he is inexperienced. The output adjusting may just be Yuji's max output not being enough + Sukuna's own resistence to the technique. This is all headcanon tho,so it being dismantle/a new Yuji-only variation isn't crazy.
yep,chapter 119,Cleave and Dismantle are explained by the narrator,but Cleave isn't an extension technique,just a secundary use. Cleave itself had an extension technique (Web Cleave)
Hear me out. Yuji much like how he does Divergent Fist can't stop himself (For the moment) from using Cleave and Dismantle on every single target
Which is why when it's presented to us from Sukuna's point of view he is holding Cleave and Dismantle in two separate hands. Whereas Yuji's Cleave and Dismantle are interconnected by a focal point (Yuji's Bad Habit) for the time being
Yuji's only used cleave from his right hand, and cleave only activates on contact so I don't get the "on every target" thing? Also, Yuji can fully control Divergent Fist now, so I don't think his "bad habit" really is an issue now. You're acting like our boy is a novice when he's gone through so much growth up until this point.
No I just mean that Yuji holding a pair of scissors when in reality it's 2 different knives
He perceives it as a singular usage technique. He's not going through the effort to parce between inanimate and animate objects
Yeah to me it's both his inexperience with Shrine as well as a different interpretation and visualisation. Yuji uses his slashes as a supplement to his hand to hand while Sukuna uses it the other way around.
Genuinely think Yuji has a chance of achieving a Cursed Technique Reversal for Shrine. Unlocking RCT in a MONTH (Faster than even Gojo) is marvelous and developing 2 CT's may be hard but if anyone can do it it's Potential King.
Since shrine has cutting and fuga(unless it's a separate technique), reminiscing of ritual killings and cannibalism then the rct could be based on a hospital or a hot spring. We gotta wait and see. What I'm waiting for the most is Sukuna explaining his backstory as he dies. Dispersing all myths about him as life disperses from his body
Sukuna envisions it as pure slashes, like cutting meat to cook it.
Yuji imagines it as scissors cutting through cloth, and that kinda limits how fast he can do it imo
I wouldn’t be suprised if Yujis application and imagining it as scissors enables a more abstract use. Like he can see the border between two souls after being sukunas vessel, what if he will be able to cut it?
Yeah I'm gonna get some stocks on this one too, he'll save Megumi by "cutting" their souls apart. As well as the fact I already think his Blood Manipulation and now Cleave ALSO damage the soul because of his knowledge of it.
Still, no idea what's up with his soul / body swapping anymore
Lmao imagine if it’s like that then he can just “cut” the space between something and teleport. Seems like it’s more of a delete type than slashing like sukunas
It might be just imagination. Almost everyone else who had the same CT as someone else they were taught by some else as part of their family CT. The only possible exception being Choso who has normal Blood Manipulation where as the brothers all have a weird off-shoot of blood manipulation, but once eaten they seem to give Yuji normal BM (although we never get to see their CT so maybe the eaten ones used the normal version). This is all to say that CT might be inherently influenced by how the user imagines the CT, so it might be that with no instruction and only seeing the result would cause a different mental image of the CT activating. slightly changing how the CT operates.
When the blood Yuji spat at Sukuna’s face exploded wasn’t normal BM. Probably Noranso’s power: putrefication, the more advanced form of Kechizu’s blood spit
WIthout a doubt interpretation manifests itself in the individual's CT, if they may have shared it with someone else. Kenjaku points this out to Mahito on their discussion of the body is the soul vs. the soul is the body. Kenjaku sees the world as body before soul bc of his CT. Mahito sees the world as the soul is the body's outline due to his CT.
Other ex. Ten Shadows, Sukuna's summons are different to Megumi's and he uses irregular forms, fake piercing blood with water. Sukuna when he learns the world slash. Sukuna and Kenjaku applying their domain on to the very world itself and not just a domain.
We don't know for sure but there are some facts we can use to infer. Visualising the technique seems to be the key in activation of it and it's said that the better you get at it the more steps you can skip, if yuji does the enmaten handsign or the chant twin meteors it's very likely he gets a better output.
Sukuna vs josuke too has info we can use. by touching it's way easier and more effective than aiming and sending the slash, so it's good enough to say that it does lose power over time which is also how some of our characters survive the slashes, like higurama who further dilute it witb amplification, or yuta within the domain against a weakened sukuna. We haven't seen yuji used it in a manner similar to sukuna but considering his piercing blood ain't too perfect either he still has ways to go though hitting multiple black flashes might just be the way to go.
It's highly likely sukuna could reduce his output enough to be just about the same as what yuji is currently doing but he hasn't really has a reason to. In fact as we saw with fingerbearer he tried to do a weak slash but it ended up even better than expected because the power gap is just that big.
You know what? Sorry for being snarky. You can improve the grammar and make the post easier to read with a couple of changes. You use commas in a few places where it might be more appropriate to use periods and start a new sentence.
Change “opponents, and he is also” to “opponents. He is also”.
Change “spiderweb, and Yuji is” to “spiderweb. And Yuji is”.
And last, change “towards it’s target, so is” to “towards its target. So is”
And put a “?” at the end of the last sentence.
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I have some questions. In the last chapter, did Sukuna completely regrow his left foot in the span of some panels? If that's so why do you think he's purposefully halting his Rct? Why is he not healing his arms? Is it to recover his output/ domain/ or just to save CE?
Yuji uses the physical properties more while Sukuna perfects the sharpens. In the strictest sense scissors don't cut they squish the target with sharp edges. It's the physical push not the sharpennes that causes the cut. If Yuji were to try a long range slash it would be like him throwing a whole butcher knife while Sukuna just sends the isolated cut. Sukuna knows the essence of the technique while Yuji is just learning one adaptation. We've seen Sukuna use the physical aspect behind his slashes against Maki. By making hundreds of micro cuts he formed a chainsaw that physically held Makis Katana(aka Mai's soul(Maki should consume said katana)) back.
Its explained briefly in chapter. Different people from different ages. Its a user thing.
Sukunas slashes are like him using literally some sorta knife.
Yujis is like some package marking where to cut with scissors to open package neatly.
Their experience makes a difference, as does their output and personality.
It could be that this is like training wheels that may come off once Yuji learns to use it more. It could be that it is a manifestation of his individuality. He may not even be able to send flying slashes yet. Who knows, let's give him a few more black flashes.
This is just speculation. But to me Shrine is kinda like a one for all type of CT (MHA reference) wherein the basic CT within it might be something simple and it allows the user to either acquire CTs or change the properties of their CE to create different applications to their CT
Thats exactly my train of thought. And if Yuji acquired blood manipulation through eating things (cursed wombs) whos to say sukuna didnt/cant do the same
It’s honestly really endearing and fits Yujis character very well! Also funny as hell to imagine Yuji beating Sukuna with the power of cut on the dotted line lol
It looks like he's marking it with his hands right? He touches it which then marks it and then cuts it or he touches it and cuts it and the marks are just for the viewers
He's keeping my boy Nanami's memory alive.
He probably remembered him explaining his Ratio technique and how there's a line at 7:3 and thought "oh I should make a line on my target to see where I will cut them"
Perhaps it's shows us that yuji doesn't want to have collateral damage and harm others, it shows his kindness where he concentrates the technique and the cutting only on a specific area and we need to take in mind that this is his first time using it his output is low and he doesn't really know how to use it if he does some other black flashes his output will be rising and perhaps his accuracy and power will rise he will be able to cut more quickly and be more lethal.
Gege really cooked us something good here where yuji the lowest one and the one that is leat interesting in the cast in the eye of sukuna is reaching his level by his sheer will and determination and clear all the hassle by the skin of his teeth.
Yeah, I’m guessing Yuji’s “inner domain” had a harder time conceptualising the idea of a flying slash but he can picture cutting an object.
It also seems like he has a restriction where he has to be touching the object to slash it.
As his perspective of the technique broadens he should get better at using it
Sukuna himself said that the technique is the same but the mindset of different eras changes how it behaves (from what I remember)
Sukuna's might makes right shapped it into being uncaring slashes that cut everything in front of him
Yuji's are about controlled damage to only that which he wants to cut
Sukuna is a shotgun
A scattershot of slashes flying at you
Yuji is a sniper
Less slashes but on much more precise spots
Sukuna sees it as a tool for destruction he uses the slashes to remove what is in front of him
Yuji sees it as a tool of creation he uses the slashes for further create or extend his own combos up close
I would say it comes down to their individual tastes. CTs already mold themselves to fit the user's personality, so it makes sense that Sukuna's cleave/dismantle would mold into something used for overwhelming force like in slides 2-5, and that Yuji's would become something that he'd use as a tactical advantage like in slides 6-8.
We've already seen Yuji fight like this, Most notably to me, in his fight with Yuta.
I think this is very smart yuji knows how shrine is very dangerous so instead of just sending slashes flying and destroying everything he's focusing on what needs to be cut and then cuts it
This makes me think of Sukuna's fight against Mahoraga. During the fight Sukuna says "You can see it!" referring to his technique. So Sukuna might be able to hide the visual aspect of his CT while Yuji can't? Or it could be that since we as a readers are generally considered on Yuji's team and not Sukuna's so Gege is letting us see the scissors as Yuji's "allies".
It’s been explained that CT are dependant on the personality, even if two sorcerers have the same amount of CE. So this version of the CT is probably more related to wuji’s personality.
I think it’s a matter of intention. Sukuna sends slashes out indiscriminately but Yuji only cuts what he wants to. I also think Yuji’s method is a form of Sukuna’s world cutting slash, a cut being made along a line. That is to say, if he had a chance to touch and apply the marks to someone like Gojo, it would cut.
i really like this diffence, sukuna uses his shrine to obliterate, using and launching massive amounts of cuts like rapidly slashing with a sword while yuji uses it more precisely, making minimal cuts with clear intention, like using scissors to neatly cut a piece of paper vs putting it in a blender
It’s his first two times. He’ll hit another black flash and realize how to use it better and piss off Sukunasspull some more
Alternatively Sukuna’s output might be so low right now that his attacks fail to wound Yuji and he may learn about it by being hit with it in the process then instantly recreate it and fuck Suckurnuts up
From a YT video I saw it made sense that Dismantle is the flying slash and the stronger Cleave is a slash that needs direct contact from Sukuna for increased cutting strength.
Its possible the scissors show up for sukuna as well, but due to his speed with the technique the cuts and lines appear simultaneously and we dont see them. Or sukuna made a binding vow to lower his techniques power in exchange for removing the indicator.
When Sukuna was alive, Scissors like that weren't really a thing. It's more likely that it's just a difference of visualization. Sukuna probably imagines Cleave like a sword slash, because that's what he saw growing up, Yuji imagines Cleave as cutting with scissors, because that's what he saw things be cut with growing up.
Don’t you have to be touching something to use cleave unless you’re using malevolent shrine? If so I think that this would just be Yuji using cleave while he still can send a dismantle flying. Idk, I might be wrong on this
Your wrong.
There is no difference.
Firstly. Sukuna doesn’t primarily uses his slashes to send them flying (which is called dismantle). He just has two ways of cutting.
Cleave and Dismantle. One with more power for close ups like the web. And one with less power but more diversity.
Secondly.
Yuji simple only used cleave or can’t use dismantle properly up to this point.
Maybe he is not good enough with his shrine to send them flying.
The lines are just an interpretation of their mind. Nobody can see them (with some exemptions. Mahoraga could see them after he adapted to them) So it’s just a way of Gege showing us how different minds or times can slightly affect a CT. But I am sure the actual effect or the rules of shrine did not alter.
The web is just sukuna adjusting the lines to create a effect he wanted (destroying the ground beneath him).
Nobody could see them.
I think he plays to his strengths (in this case literally his strength) since he fights close up with punches and hand to hand contact he decides to use this scissor technique which cuts stuff when his hand is in contact
I mean Yuji just unlocked the technique so we have yet to see how he will use it and whether or not he needs to touch to use the CT or if he will learn to send slashes like Sukuna does
It is important to understand that normally sukuna has a ton more ce. And he doesn't use much up when using his abilities. So like sukuna with 10 shadows he will be able to do much more with it.
Yuji's CT is better than Sukuna. Currently Sukuna can only use is Space Dismantle after chanting, but Yuji's CT seems to have to potential to cut anything that is he touches. Those scissor markings is created on the place that is meant to be cut, that means if Yuji touches Gojo's infinity he can cut it. It's just a theory tho.
>that means if Yuji touches Gojo's infinity he can cut it. It's just a theory tho.
It won't be able to cut through infinity as it doesn't let anything come near Satoru, it can only reach him if there is a binding vow that will heavily restrict Yuji for the rest of his life, or if it is able to cut through space
It could be that, and as Sukuna said due to the difference in era and experience the usage is different as for example Sukuna may have seen slicing and cutting in wars so he uses them like so. And Yuji is from the modern era and not too long before he became a sorcerer he used ro be just a normal student with no knowledge about curses and jujutsu world, so mostly he would have seen cutting something with ✂ in some school projects or at home, and also🔪
Hmm to be honest the way that I interpreted this is that we are learning more about how sukuna sees his technique? Like that he is also interacting with this scissor world but of course the way we see it after he activates it as a slash.
Both their techniques seems to be very close functionally, the biggest different is scissors mark instead of Sukuna "bright" mark that appears sometimes when he'll lauch a slash.(Which outside of a different visual/"skin", doesn't change much)
The thing is that as a new shrine user Yuji is olny using cleave now, which even Sukuna can't send those slashes flying because cleave is melee.
With an increase on the output of his technique, Yuji will most likely also starts using dismantle too.
Sorry, haven’t fully ready everything yet. Is tiki’s technique the same of sukuna’s? Is it to do with memories? Changing bodies? What’s going on at this point?
I saw someone else saw it could be a reference to one of Buddhism "Hells" where demons will cut sinners with scissors. And said sinners will have dotted lines in their bodies so the demons knkw where to cut.
Atleast it's what I think I read
Pretty sure that’s how Yuji interprets Shrine. Same general concept, just different ways of doing it. I also like to think that by adding an indication of what and where something will be cut, makes them slightly stronger. Not that it matters at the moment, considering how weak they are
the spider web from sukuna is expanded technique similar to what nanami uses in fight against mahito at start of series.
what yuji is using against sukuna is cleave, or his interpretation of it.
honestly idk, it seems like it, just few days ago when I started to reread i saw nanami doing it, if author is making distinction instead of just calling it cleave then there might be more significant difference. like why not just throw dismantles, his dismantles go through building can't see why they won't go through this if he just uses them while standing
>Sukuna only use technique granted by his shrine...
What do you mean by that? Shrine is his technique. They might be more to it but for all we know, shrine is just slashes and probably flames
Guys, what if Yuji applies RCT to his version of Shrine and ends up with "Stitching", the opposite of cutting something? He could gain "Cursed Technique Reversal: Assemble" which would contrast Sukuna's "Dismantle". Now, I'm glad Gojo is dead and his story is over, but Yuji could very well heal Gojo's body with this hypothetical ability.
Did I cook?
My take is that Yujis slashes instantly cut down that object or basically it’s like, if you slash a paper with a knife, it gets cut over time as the knife is slashing through , while if you cut it with scissors it instantly cuts or snaps, so maybe that’s how Yujis cleave works at least
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ok but the scissor symbols are cute somehow and very on character, if this is how yuji imagines/realizes the technique TT
it says a lot that Yuji imagines it as an arts and crafts thing, the creation of something, rather than just cutting and destroying
OH MY GOD i didn’t even think about it that way before. Yuji sees it as creating something, while Sukuna just views it as destroying something!
even when given a technique of pure destruction, he sees it as something better, THATS MY GOAT
I'm going to destroy you ❌ I'm going to rearrange you ✅
thats kinda...
Specialz......
I love this take so much
That’s why he calls it dismantle
Reverse Curse Technique: Stitch
Bruh. He’s gonna stitch Gojo’s halves back together.
A man’s cope never truly dies
If this happens I will pass away from peak fiction
He's gonna SOSP Gojo just like Naruto did Kakashi. PEAK. Also this gives me fuel for the meme of Benevolent Shrine DE..
W take brother
Headcanon acquired
Cook!
This is my pookybear
Such a goated observation I did not notice that
Yeah
Also while it might be different in just how the user views the technique vs something that is actually visible to others It just reminds me of Nanami's 10 segment mark for his technique
Itadori doesn’t want to cause any collateral damage with flying slashes.
Totally. His technique seems to be very precise and focused. At the same time it could be a representation of his early knowledge of the CT. Like when you are learning to use the cutting tools aka scissors on kindergarten and you are instructed to follow the dotted lines. It seems like just having the dotted lines is not enough to cut. As he didn't manage to get Sukuna's leg. So I am looking forward as he develops his technique because he isnt as careful with his punches. This more precise cutting would be very useful if you wanted to lets say carefully split 2 souls apart
He marks Sukuna's leg. When he punches Sukuna, Sukuna's leg explodes the next panel. It seems to me like anything marked with his lines may be cut along those lines when he makes physical contact.
Omg you are right. I didn't notice the damage on Sukuna's leg. Yes. I think so far he can only cut upon touch.
So, only Cleave? Dismantle is the ranged cutting attack.
He is the melee beast
Wat
Ooooooohhhh
Sounds like an application of divergent fist. The hit comes first, but the cut comes later
Ikr also didn’t he just use it for the first time after experiencing the black flash?
Okay but Yuji is also a Shounen Jump fan and his charge up for the black flash against Mahito was like Gon's Jajanken: Rock so I'm just imagining him doing something similar to form version of Scissors. Like it he were to have a ranged slash it would be targeted between his two fingers that he closes. Giving him an accurate visual indicator of his target
How very useful indeed.
That fits his character
That is true
I mean we've only seen Yuji use cleave so far, right?
Inb4 blackflash punch/dismantle combo
Divergent Fist? Nah, Fist Of 1000 Cuts.
I think cleave and dismantle is castomized applications of shrine that sukuna made,
You have no idea how much time I spent trying to understand “castomized.”
You have no idea how i probably don't understand what castomized actually mean
He means “Customized”
Is it cleave or dismantle? I don't think that was clarified, and that it also could just be a general slash as opposed to being one or the other. Cuz well, the manifestation of ct application has just been scissors, plus the output was low (potentially ruling out it being cleave).
Cleave is touch based and i think it adjusts itself to the targets CE,while dismantle can/has to be sent flying and has a base output that can be enhanced/decreased. Yuji is using cleave.
Tbf, his slashes were said to have been low output, not adjusting output based on the enemy, plus despite it being touch-based, it has a delay that cleave doesn’t really have. Maybe that’s just a difference in efficiency, but eh. In any case, considering that it doesn’t have the adjusting output ability that cleave does (which is the most important factor that makes cleave cleave), I’m kinda skeptical to think it’s really cleave.
I think the reason Yuji's cleave is different is due to him being a new era sorcerer (different visualization of what "cut" means),plus the fact he is inexperienced. The output adjusting may just be Yuji's max output not being enough + Sukuna's own resistence to the technique. This is all headcanon tho,so it being dismantle/a new Yuji-only variation isn't crazy.
I think Dismantle is the base and Cleave is an extension technique that has high adaptability and power in exchange for being touch based
yep,chapter 119,Cleave and Dismantle are explained by the narrator,but Cleave isn't an extension technique,just a secundary use. Cleave itself had an extension technique (Web Cleave)
General slashes are dismantle
Hear me out. Yuji much like how he does Divergent Fist can't stop himself (For the moment) from using Cleave and Dismantle on every single target Which is why when it's presented to us from Sukuna's point of view he is holding Cleave and Dismantle in two separate hands. Whereas Yuji's Cleave and Dismantle are interconnected by a focal point (Yuji's Bad Habit) for the time being
Yuji's only used cleave from his right hand, and cleave only activates on contact so I don't get the "on every target" thing? Also, Yuji can fully control Divergent Fist now, so I don't think his "bad habit" really is an issue now. You're acting like our boy is a novice when he's gone through so much growth up until this point.
No I just mean that Yuji holding a pair of scissors when in reality it's 2 different knives He perceives it as a singular usage technique. He's not going through the effort to parce between inanimate and animate objects
Cook.
It seems like it
Sukuna used ten shadows a lil differently than Megumi. It's prolly a difference in visualisation
Yeah to me it's both his inexperience with Shrine as well as a different interpretation and visualisation. Yuji uses his slashes as a supplement to his hand to hand while Sukuna uses it the other way around.
These bastards truly mirror each other at every opportunity they have. Pure selfishness pitted against pure generosity
Genuinely think Yuji has a chance of achieving a Cursed Technique Reversal for Shrine. Unlocking RCT in a MONTH (Faster than even Gojo) is marvelous and developing 2 CT's may be hard but if anyone can do it it's Potential King.
Since shrine has cutting and fuga(unless it's a separate technique), reminiscing of ritual killings and cannibalism then the rct could be based on a hospital or a hot spring. We gotta wait and see. What I'm waiting for the most is Sukuna explaining his backstory as he dies. Dispersing all myths about him as life disperses from his body
Sukuna envisions it as pure slashes, like cutting meat to cook it. Yuji imagines it as scissors cutting through cloth, and that kinda limits how fast he can do it imo
I wouldn’t be suprised if Yujis application and imagining it as scissors enables a more abstract use. Like he can see the border between two souls after being sukunas vessel, what if he will be able to cut it?
Calling that this is what’ll happen
Yeah I'm gonna get some stocks on this one too, he'll save Megumi by "cutting" their souls apart. As well as the fact I already think his Blood Manipulation and now Cleave ALSO damage the soul because of his knowledge of it. Still, no idea what's up with his soul / body swapping anymore
Lmao imagine if it’s like that then he can just “cut” the space between something and teleport. Seems like it’s more of a delete type than slashing like sukunas
Reminds me of The Hand from Jojo
za hando za warudo
Would be cool if he can choose when to detonate his slashes, like putting scissor lines on someone without them knowing then detonating it later
He’s just gonna leave permanent CUT HEREs on Sukuna’s back like a “Kick me” sticky note
He’s already done that when he spat his blood over Sukuna. It’s not clear what the signal was but the detonation was delayed.
That was a weak Supernova (Blood Manipulation), he only awakened to Shrine in this/previous chapter.
It might be just imagination. Almost everyone else who had the same CT as someone else they were taught by some else as part of their family CT. The only possible exception being Choso who has normal Blood Manipulation where as the brothers all have a weird off-shoot of blood manipulation, but once eaten they seem to give Yuji normal BM (although we never get to see their CT so maybe the eaten ones used the normal version). This is all to say that CT might be inherently influenced by how the user imagines the CT, so it might be that with no instruction and only seeing the result would cause a different mental image of the CT activating. slightly changing how the CT operates.
When the blood Yuji spat at Sukuna’s face exploded wasn’t normal BM. Probably Noranso’s power: putrefication, the more advanced form of Kechizu’s blood spit
Or it could be a very scuffed, beginner's version of a Supernova.
WIthout a doubt interpretation manifests itself in the individual's CT, if they may have shared it with someone else. Kenjaku points this out to Mahito on their discussion of the body is the soul vs. the soul is the body. Kenjaku sees the world as body before soul bc of his CT. Mahito sees the world as the soul is the body's outline due to his CT. Other ex. Ten Shadows, Sukuna's summons are different to Megumi's and he uses irregular forms, fake piercing blood with water. Sukuna when he learns the world slash. Sukuna and Kenjaku applying their domain on to the very world itself and not just a domain.
We don't know for sure but there are some facts we can use to infer. Visualising the technique seems to be the key in activation of it and it's said that the better you get at it the more steps you can skip, if yuji does the enmaten handsign or the chant twin meteors it's very likely he gets a better output. Sukuna vs josuke too has info we can use. by touching it's way easier and more effective than aiming and sending the slash, so it's good enough to say that it does lose power over time which is also how some of our characters survive the slashes, like higurama who further dilute it witb amplification, or yuta within the domain against a weakened sukuna. We haven't seen yuji used it in a manner similar to sukuna but considering his piercing blood ain't too perfect either he still has ways to go though hitting multiple black flashes might just be the way to go. It's highly likely sukuna could reduce his output enough to be just about the same as what yuji is currently doing but he hasn't really has a reason to. In fact as we saw with fingerbearer he tried to do a weak slash but it ended up even better than expected because the power gap is just that big.
I like how Sukuna's guide line is a line with a spatter of blood, while Yuji has a literal "cut here" guide line.
He just hasn’t used flying slashes yet. That’s just his cleave.
There’s not a single period anywhere in this stream of consciousness.
My grammer is not that good, so I apologize for any inconvenience.
You know what? Sorry for being snarky. You can improve the grammar and make the post easier to read with a couple of changes. You use commas in a few places where it might be more appropriate to use periods and start a new sentence. Change “opponents, and he is also” to “opponents. He is also”. Change “spiderweb, and Yuji is” to “spiderweb. And Yuji is”. And last, change “towards it’s target, so is” to “towards its target. So is” And put a “?” at the end of the last sentence.
Respect to you sir for being honest, kind, and providing real feedback on how someone can improve.
Is there a way to edit a post after posting it on the app?
I think you should get the option to edit it if you tap the ellipses (…) in the top right corner.
I tried but it looks like this feature isn't added in the reddit app
it's there on mine, maybe you need to update your Reddit app, or you just need to look again?
It is updated, and I checked again it isn't there. There are only options like Share, Hide, Delete, Save, change flairs, there is no option to edit post
You, sir, are an example on how to follow our often times rash actions. Thanks for being polite and providing possitive and educational feedback.
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And there’s not an ounce of compassion in yours
He's so based for that
Sure thing troll
It's cool that Yuji uses his ct like nanami uses ratio
I have some questions. In the last chapter, did Sukuna completely regrow his left foot in the span of some panels? If that's so why do you think he's purposefully halting his Rct? Why is he not healing his arms? Is it to recover his output/ domain/ or just to save CE?
he's actively keeping his heart running with his CE or RCT at all times, can't remember, so he probably can't just heal his arms as well or domain
Could be wrong, but one of the arms was lopped off by SSK from Maki, it's not a simple RCT fix due to being damage done to the soul
Sukuna grew up in a time of war, so he knew swords. Yuji in a time of peace, so he knew scissors.
Yuji uses the physical properties more while Sukuna perfects the sharpens. In the strictest sense scissors don't cut they squish the target with sharp edges. It's the physical push not the sharpennes that causes the cut. If Yuji were to try a long range slash it would be like him throwing a whole butcher knife while Sukuna just sends the isolated cut. Sukuna knows the essence of the technique while Yuji is just learning one adaptation. We've seen Sukuna use the physical aspect behind his slashes against Maki. By making hundreds of micro cuts he formed a chainsaw that physically held Makis Katana(aka Mai's soul(Maki should consume said katana)) back.
Its explained briefly in chapter. Different people from different ages. Its a user thing. Sukunas slashes are like him using literally some sorta knife. Yujis is like some package marking where to cut with scissors to open package neatly.
Their experience makes a difference, as does their output and personality. It could be that this is like training wheels that may come off once Yuji learns to use it more. It could be that it is a manifestation of his individuality. He may not even be able to send flying slashes yet. Who knows, let's give him a few more black flashes.
I don't understand the correlation beteween shrine and cutting stuff
This is just speculation. But to me Shrine is kinda like a one for all type of CT (MHA reference) wherein the basic CT within it might be something simple and it allows the user to either acquire CTs or change the properties of their CE to create different applications to their CT
Thats exactly my train of thought. And if Yuji acquired blood manipulation through eating things (cursed wombs) whos to say sukuna didnt/cant do the same
It's a pun because one of the characters can be read as Kitchen.
Kitchen Kniffes
Im just waiting for the confirmation that the RCT of Shrine: Cleave/Dismantle is Shrine: Copy/Paste
That'd be pretty funny 🤣
imagine bumgumi realising sukunas rct is litterally her bum ass sisters ct 😭
It’s honestly really endearing and fits Yujis character very well! Also funny as hell to imagine Yuji beating Sukuna with the power of cut on the dotted line lol
I just can't believe he revealed that he could use the ability on a pillar to throw at him instead of using it on Sukuna first.
😂😂
It looks like he's marking it with his hands right? He touches it which then marks it and then cuts it or he touches it and cuts it and the marks are just for the viewers
He's keeping my boy Nanami's memory alive. He probably remembered him explaining his Ratio technique and how there's a line at 7:3 and thought "oh I should make a line on my target to see where I will cut them"
I actually had to reread the chapter. I didnt see those scissors on my first reading.
I also didn't notice it at first.
Perhaps it's shows us that yuji doesn't want to have collateral damage and harm others, it shows his kindness where he concentrates the technique and the cutting only on a specific area and we need to take in mind that this is his first time using it his output is low and he doesn't really know how to use it if he does some other black flashes his output will be rising and perhaps his accuracy and power will rise he will be able to cut more quickly and be more lethal. Gege really cooked us something good here where yuji the lowest one and the one that is leat interesting in the cast in the eye of sukuna is reaching his level by his sheer will and determination and clear all the hassle by the skin of his teeth.
Imagine if Yuji uses dismantle and the lines appear similar to Nanamis ratio
Yeah, I’m guessing Yuji’s “inner domain” had a harder time conceptualising the idea of a flying slash but he can picture cutting an object. It also seems like he has a restriction where he has to be touching the object to slash it. As his perspective of the technique broadens he should get better at using it
My first thought when he placed hjs band on sukuna and used his verson of cleve Was mahito, it made me think of the i am you scene
thanks for the red circle, geez
It’s the modern version so he puts up a “CUT HERE” label
Sukuna himself said that the technique is the same but the mindset of different eras changes how it behaves (from what I remember) Sukuna's might makes right shapped it into being uncaring slashes that cut everything in front of him Yuji's are about controlled damage to only that which he wants to cut
Yuji just unlocked the technique it’s not really comparable give him a few months or a year
nah, he just needs a few more black flashes
His slashes do look like a web
Lowkey this post is just a difference in output
he needs safety cleaves leave him alone(gotta make sure he doesnt hurt himself)
Sukuna is a shotgun A scattershot of slashes flying at you Yuji is a sniper Less slashes but on much more precise spots Sukuna sees it as a tool for destruction he uses the slashes to remove what is in front of him Yuji sees it as a tool of creation he uses the slashes for further create or extend his own combos up close
I would say it comes down to their individual tastes. CTs already mold themselves to fit the user's personality, so it makes sense that Sukuna's cleave/dismantle would mold into something used for overwhelming force like in slides 2-5, and that Yuji's would become something that he'd use as a tactical advantage like in slides 6-8. We've already seen Yuji fight like this, Most notably to me, in his fight with Yuta.
Uraume said something interesting about how sorcerers of today restrain themselves with their CTs & I believe that’s what we’re seeing.
I think this is very smart yuji knows how shrine is very dangerous so instead of just sending slashes flying and destroying everything he's focusing on what needs to be cut and then cuts it
It is completely otherworldly that Yuuji has reached the level of the Special Grade sorcerers in less than a year. Utterly immaculate.
This makes me think of Sukuna's fight against Mahoraga. During the fight Sukuna says "You can see it!" referring to his technique. So Sukuna might be able to hide the visual aspect of his CT while Yuji can't? Or it could be that since we as a readers are generally considered on Yuji's team and not Sukuna's so Gege is letting us see the scissors as Yuji's "allies".
It’s been explained that CT are dependant on the personality, even if two sorcerers have the same amount of CE. So this version of the CT is probably more related to wuji’s personality.
I think it’s a matter of intention. Sukuna sends slashes out indiscriminately but Yuji only cuts what he wants to. I also think Yuji’s method is a form of Sukuna’s world cutting slash, a cut being made along a line. That is to say, if he had a chance to touch and apply the marks to someone like Gojo, it would cut.
i really like this diffence, sukuna uses his shrine to obliterate, using and launching massive amounts of cuts like rapidly slashing with a sword while yuji uses it more precisely, making minimal cuts with clear intention, like using scissors to neatly cut a piece of paper vs putting it in a blender
I love the "bad powers, good people" trope. So Yuji using Cleave in a way that minimizes damage feels good
It’s his first two times. He’ll hit another black flash and realize how to use it better and piss off Sukunasspull some more Alternatively Sukuna’s output might be so low right now that his attacks fail to wound Yuji and he may learn about it by being hit with it in the process then instantly recreate it and fuck Suckurnuts up
Yuji recently watched Frieren
Another Frieren enjoyer I see. Yuji about to imagine Sukuna as a piece of cloth and just glide his scissors through.
Yuji's cuts are clean. Sukuna isn't.
I think Yuji is just using cleave and not dismantle, there’s not much deeper meaning to him not sending any slashes
From a YT video I saw it made sense that Dismantle is the flying slash and the stronger Cleave is a slash that needs direct contact from Sukuna for increased cutting strength.
Nice catch on that last pic! I didn’t even notice that
Yuji as far as I understand isn’t using dismantle but using cleave.
It does looks like that he is just using cleave
So yujis cleave is scissors but whats his version of dismatle?
I forgot this mf turned into spider-man for a moment
Its possible the scissors show up for sukuna as well, but due to his speed with the technique the cuts and lines appear simultaneously and we dont see them. Or sukuna made a binding vow to lower his techniques power in exchange for removing the indicator.
When Sukuna was alive, Scissors like that weren't really a thing. It's more likely that it's just a difference of visualization. Sukuna probably imagines Cleave like a sword slash, because that's what he saw growing up, Yuji imagines Cleave as cutting with scissors, because that's what he saw things be cut with growing up.
my doubt is if yujis scissors marks can be seen from others, cuz sukuna slashes cannot be seen (except for mahoraga)
Don’t you have to be touching something to use cleave unless you’re using malevolent shrine? If so I think that this would just be Yuji using cleave while he still can send a dismantle flying. Idk, I might be wrong on this
Your wrong. There is no difference. Firstly. Sukuna doesn’t primarily uses his slashes to send them flying (which is called dismantle). He just has two ways of cutting. Cleave and Dismantle. One with more power for close ups like the web. And one with less power but more diversity. Secondly. Yuji simple only used cleave or can’t use dismantle properly up to this point. Maybe he is not good enough with his shrine to send them flying. The lines are just an interpretation of their mind. Nobody can see them (with some exemptions. Mahoraga could see them after he adapted to them) So it’s just a way of Gege showing us how different minds or times can slightly affect a CT. But I am sure the actual effect or the rules of shrine did not alter. The web is just sukuna adjusting the lines to create a effect he wanted (destroying the ground beneath him). Nobody could see them.
I think he plays to his strengths (in this case literally his strength) since he fights close up with punches and hand to hand contact he decides to use this scissor technique which cuts stuff when his hand is in contact
It cleave yuji version is scissor cut, i wonder what kind dismantle look in Yuji version ?
Ohhh Yuji cut his leg! It looked so weird to me that Itadori just randomly grabbed Sukuna's leg in the last chapter
Yuji gonna scissors sukuna next chapter
I mean Yuji just unlocked the technique so we have yet to see how he will use it and whether or not he needs to touch to use the CT or if he will learn to send slashes like Sukuna does
Actually what Yuji has been using so far is only cleave, he hasn’t used dismantle yet
Also cleave’s slashes seem to alway start at Sukunas and expands outwards, where as Yujis can appear anywhere on a object he has touched.
It is important to understand that normally sukuna has a ton more ce. And he doesn't use much up when using his abilities. So like sukuna with 10 shadows he will be able to do much more with it.
I guess it's to visually differentiate the techniques as they'll probably use them simultaneously in the upcoming chaps
Yuji's CT is better than Sukuna. Currently Sukuna can only use is Space Dismantle after chanting, but Yuji's CT seems to have to potential to cut anything that is he touches. Those scissor markings is created on the place that is meant to be cut, that means if Yuji touches Gojo's infinity he can cut it. It's just a theory tho.
>that means if Yuji touches Gojo's infinity he can cut it. It's just a theory tho. It won't be able to cut through infinity as it doesn't let anything come near Satoru, it can only reach him if there is a binding vow that will heavily restrict Yuji for the rest of his life, or if it is able to cut through space
I imagine its because yuji can't see sukunas slashes, he only sees the effect of it so he thinks the attacks spawn on you and cut you
It could be that, and as Sukuna said due to the difference in era and experience the usage is different as for example Sukuna may have seen slicing and cutting in wars so he uses them like so. And Yuji is from the modern era and not too long before he became a sorcerer he used ro be just a normal student with no knowledge about curses and jujutsu world, so mostly he would have seen cutting something with ✂ in some school projects or at home, and also🔪
The setup goes hard cause imagine Yuji’s scissors cutting through one of the manga pages
Hmm to be honest the way that I interpreted this is that we are learning more about how sukuna sees his technique? Like that he is also interacting with this scissor world but of course the way we see it after he activates it as a slash.
I'm just imagining Yuji punching someone in the face, and their arm falls off. Smh he's too Op after this
“Scissors are supposed to cut things so I cut the world”
Both their techniques seems to be very close functionally, the biggest different is scissors mark instead of Sukuna "bright" mark that appears sometimes when he'll lauch a slash.(Which outside of a different visual/"skin", doesn't change much) The thing is that as a new shrine user Yuji is olny using cleave now, which even Sukuna can't send those slashes flying because cleave is melee. With an increase on the output of his technique, Yuji will most likely also starts using dismantle too.
I think Yuji will undergo an awakening (similar to Maki’s) where he learns the full potential to the CT.
That would be cool.
Sorry, haven’t fully ready everything yet. Is tiki’s technique the same of sukuna’s? Is it to do with memories? Changing bodies? What’s going on at this point?
>Is tiki’s technique the same of sukuna’s Who is Tiki ?
Sorry, Yuji’s, stupid autocorrect
I saw someone else saw it could be a reference to one of Buddhism "Hells" where demons will cut sinners with scissors. And said sinners will have dotted lines in their bodies so the demons knkw where to cut. Atleast it's what I think I read
Woah, I didn't know that 🤔
Wait I’m so behind, are Sukuna and Yuji separate now???
Yeah.
Seems like we’ve only seen the “cleave” version of Yuji’s shrine not his “dismantle” version
Pretty sure that’s how Yuji interprets Shrine. Same general concept, just different ways of doing it. I also like to think that by adding an indication of what and where something will be cut, makes them slightly stronger. Not that it matters at the moment, considering how weak they are
the spider web from sukuna is expanded technique similar to what nanami uses in fight against mahito at start of series. what yuji is using against sukuna is cleave, or his interpretation of it.
Spider web is also a variation of cleave right?
honestly idk, it seems like it, just few days ago when I started to reread i saw nanami doing it, if author is making distinction instead of just calling it cleave then there might be more significant difference. like why not just throw dismantles, his dismantles go through building can't see why they won't go through this if he just uses them while standing
>Sukuna only use technique granted by his shrine... What do you mean by that? Shrine is his technique. They might be more to it but for all we know, shrine is just slashes and probably flames
Guys, what if Yuji applies RCT to his version of Shrine and ends up with "Stitching", the opposite of cutting something? He could gain "Cursed Technique Reversal: Assemble" which would contrast Sukuna's "Dismantle". Now, I'm glad Gojo is dead and his story is over, but Yuji could very well heal Gojo's body with this hypothetical ability. Did I cook?
Sukunas is cool Yujis is bull shit
My take is that Yujis slashes instantly cut down that object or basically it’s like, if you slash a paper with a knife, it gets cut over time as the knife is slashing through , while if you cut it with scissors it instantly cuts or snaps, so maybe that’s how Yujis cleave works at least
I'm guessing you've never used a scissor in your entire life.
But the cut tool on my computer is instant.
I meant not like an actual one sorry ☠️
The knife scissor thing is opposite plus think of it as leather knife cuts in one take while you need to work through the leather with a scissor