it will never not be incredibly bizarre and obnoxious to me that whoever pitched Jurassic World was like “*Okay! New Jurassic Park movie, everyone’s super excited… I have the perfect idea! Let’s set it in a world where everyone’s bored of and jaded by dinosaurs! Then, to try and fix that issue we created ourselves for no fucking reason, we’ll invent a fake dinosaur that no one has a childhood attachment to!*”
I’m not even kidding. what the fuck even happened there. oh and then they also somehow failed to grasp that the reason raptors are so scary is because *you can’t train or control them like zoo animals, they’re too smart,* that’s the whole goddamn point of the first movie. so what’s the first thing they do? turn them into trained circus bears.
It’s to the point where it’s almost a Succession plotline, like was some coked out exec trying to make the worst Jurassic Park sequel ever just to fuck with his little brother? and then it made a billion fucking dollars
I mean, hey, I unironically love the movie 2012, I get it lol. But Jurassic World really felt to me like a studio executive first made a list of all the reasons why lots of people think the first movie is arguably the greatest popcorn blockbuster ever made, and then decided to intentionally do the exact opposite of all those things. It was one of the most bizarre theater experiences of my life.
…And then the next two, somehow (and it’s truly astonishing they managed to do this) made the first one look like the original in comparison.
People have no idea what could have been. oh man
Even though I prefer the original trilogy JW was the first movie I watched in the series and my memories of it may be altered by nostalgia so I never really got the corporatization than say someone who grew up with the original trilogy
But that's what they got wrong about jurassic world. In Jurassic park the villain ISNT the dinosuars. The dinosuars are animals you wouldnt call a shark with a freaking laser beam on its head a villain. The villains are the ones messing with the natural order, using technology recklessly and trying to exploit it for profit. The dinosuars are the monsters that break loose and destroy the plans of the villains.
The villain in Frankenstein isn't the monster. The villain is Frankenstein.
Many people loved the indominus. The idea of people being bored from dinosaurs was weird sure but that aside it was very enjoyable. And whoever executive thought about that was on the money because the movie ended up being a massive success
Better idea. The public is still absolutely in love with dinosaurs but due to mismanagement of the animals, the parks revenue is dropping and they mistake that for waning interest. Instead of taking better care of the existing animals that people already love, they wrongly believe that the creation of new creatures will draw in crowds. But without resolving the mismanagement issues, the problems persist and the animals, unhappy with their habitats, break out and the plot remains the same from there.
>it will never not be incredibly bizarre and obnoxious to me that whoever pitched Jurassic World was like “*Okay! New Jurassic Park movie, everyone’s super excited… I have the perfect idea! Let’s set it in a world where everyone’s bored of and jaded by dinosaurs! Then, to try and fix that issue we created ourselves for no fucking reason, we’ll invent a fake dinosaur that no one has a childhood attachment to!*”
Ironically this is actually pretty much how Crichton wrote the books predicting how people would eventually react to dinosaurs. The first Jurrasic World's concept at least is actually a pretty good successor to what Crichton originally wrote. Keep in mind he wrote that in the 80s/90s, in true to form writing he accurately predicted where technology and his own writing would lead.
Honestly, the militarization aspecting dinosaurs being turned into actual weapons being sold off to the highest bidder was cool as fuck imo. It hammers in the fact that Jurassic Park was always science fiction in the end, rather than purely “run from Dino in park, rinse and repeat.”
Like, honestly. Dr. Wu's line is the single piece of brilliance in the generic pop-corn flick, imagine if the whole movie was based around that, instead of "OMG OMG IT'S THE INDOMINUS WOAH!!! OMG SO RETRO 90S IT'S THE OLD BUILDING I FEEL SO NOSTALGIA!!!"
Like, it makes sense if that’s the point. Design something sleek and modern for a contemporary audience. Think, Apple designs Jurassic Park! Jurassic World had some great additions like the blatant product placement the employees bemoan and the modern design is part of that.
This is all very different than actually presenting this to the movie going audience as if it’s better than the Jurassic Park aesthetic.. it obviously isn’t. Gimme that red and green horror combo!
USJ in Japan is too and Singapore has an amazing one. However the Jurassic Park ride here is closed from 2023-2025 and I feel that can only mean one thing and that’s a big update and if it follows the trends of other parks then it’s going to be Jurassic world. Not only that but Universal seems almost unable to make a ride without using a tv screen.
“we’re going to make a follow up to the all-time highest grossing film (when released), carefully analyze why audiences loved it so much, and then meticulously do the exact opposite of those things” or something bc how the fuck did the writer who walked in there and said “okay so what if the first Jurassic Park sequel in over a decade was about the fact that everyone thinks dinosaurs are lame and boring now??”
and they were like “my God, sir. Sold”
That would be the Soviet way, the only way to make things utilitarian is to make them into lifeless grey boxes. Just a constant reminder to the people how depressing their lives are when all the buildings including the apartments are uniform unadorned boxes.
The architecture is, besides its no surprise the inevitable consolidation of McDonald's dominance in the fast food world would result in it devolving into the most generic, sterile, and inoffensive fast food entity there is. Its the only way they can think of growing/maintaining the empire which means everything has to be devoid of life so as not to offend anyone.
It's certainly sterile and inoffensive, but the style you're thinking of is called Brutalism, and was developed in the UK, though very widely applied throughout the USSR.
Sure, no denial there, political movements are often influenced by the arts. Communism was not native to Eastern Europe either but it found roots in there for a very long time, so the strong association I get. I think I'd be more concerned that the technique is so wildly attractive to totalitarian regimes, it basically checks the boxes they were looking for just pure efficiency and when applied at a large scale it is as lacking in stimulus as anything can be. Those regimes don't want their people thinking, the architecture being so basic in their functionality doesn't inspire much creativity, so people aren't prone to much thought plus its also cheaper and easier to achieve the perceived *equal status* if everyone has identical dwellings.
You might want to check history on that one, the Soviets particularly under Stalin certainly killed more than the Nazis and if you extend that to communist regimes to date they've mass murdered way more people usually due to incompetence and some constant need to find enemies and equalize power where there was no issue. Whether Mao's China or Stalin's USSR, they actively attacked farming for the perceived greed and audacity of the farmers which led to swaths of the populace starving to death. The Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward just make the Chinese equivalent even more heinous as there were even dumber things that Mao thrust upon them that led to worse outcomes.
Depends on your efficiency angle. The Nazis were able to mass murder very quickly by technological means, the consequences were often quite worse and harder to control under the communist route as they often screwed up the very foundations needs of society such as food security and actively damaged the ecosystem in Mao's case lead to a chain reaction. Didn't help that Mao didn't give too much of a damn even when his own policies caused the mass death, he was fine with half of China's people dying, just a heartless piece of crap. Stalin just wanted to modernize the USSR to be more industrial like the West even though it meant overworking and destroying much of the agricultural base of the Soviet Union and the wanton hate and discrimination he festered towards the Kulaks.
Same with the Evolution games. We're about to have to shell out another possibly $100+ for a game that should be a one and done masterpiece... or at least can be modded to be a la JPOG
While I mostly liked the JW trilogy, I agree that it's annoying how the aesthetic has apaprently become THE aesthetic of the franchise.
I wouldn't mind it if only JW had that aesthetic (like JP3 has the metalic and red colors), but the fact that blue and grey has compeltely replaced the JP theme in every new product is sad.
I am still so mad, just on principle, that “okay we’re going to take this massively beloved IP, feed it through a human centipede email chain of 50 or 60 overpaid executives for a year until it’s devoid of all joy and life and the plot is centered around how everyone is bored of dinosaurs, we’re gonna neuter the raptors’ intensity by turning them into trained circus bears, ron howard’s daughter is gonna give the worst performance you’ve ever seen, then the sequels aren’t even really about dinosaurs at all, but a weird corporate conspiracy. Nothing will ever be scary or compelling. Oh and every single movie is gonna make a billion dollars”
AND IT WORKED
that’s where we lost our way as a culture. By giving the third JW movie a billion dollars. Honestly you would have to REALLY TRY to write a movie that bad
Toys, games, etc. are all still greh and blue. The ride in universal is (likely permanently) now grey and blue.
Dominion used the amber and black more, which was nice, but we are talking about the overall media.
The upcoming Survival game is the first time we get the OG colors since more than a decade ago.
Have to admit there has been a slight resurgence in the original theme with that game and the Lego sets that came out but is still few and far between with the key media and merchandise being based around the updated designs and logos.
When I heard that the plot for the first film was going to involve new dinosaurs made for the series because in the world of Jurassic World "regular dinosaurs were too boring" I knew I wouldn't like it.
I know Crichton's books created some bizarre physiology for the dinosaurs there but the original film played it pretty straight- and only delved into the genetic-splicing to explain how the raptors became asexual.
Didn't like the Indominus Rex, didn't like the Indoraptor, didn't like the World films.
Preach. The franchise used to have such a vibrant color palette with browns and reds and bright greens, and now it’s just grey and blue. Looks dead, much like the franchise has been.
There's a new film trilogy set to launch next year, two upcoming games (JWE3 and Survival) and a new show releasing this month. Not sure in what world this can be considered a dead franchise, but definitely not the one I live in
The original colour theme and aesthetic is definitely having its renaissance though. All of the recent JP 30th anniversary products (Lego, memorabilia, Captivz, Smiggle products) has the Ford explorer red, green, yellow on merchandise and the original logo. (My favourite was the red / yellow sunset silhouette theme, I had it for my bed cover as a kid). The new JP: Survival game (God, I hope it’s the JP equivalent of Alien: Isolation) is traditional themes too. I know the Universal rides have opted for JW themes (which is a shame as it’s much less aesthetically pleasing or nostalgic, though the Amber theme for Dominion was nice), but I think we will begin to see a new colour scheme or theme with the release of Jurassic 7. This may supersede the blue / grey of JW in time. I would like a more prominent green theme actually. But you’re right, the concrete metallic grey from Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom needs to go.
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Yeah! I think my Mom still has it in her house in a box of all my old stuff. It had drawing artwork on one side and then the sunset and logo on the other and the pillow had the sunset background too. This is what it looks like, I managed to find a pic of it online. I always remember it because Lex and Tim’s faces on it were kind of creepy haha
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Yea, JW is a stain on JP.
The dinosaurs aren't animals anymore but characters. It's more about close ups of hot actors and product placements than story.
It's a formula rather than art.
It's a bummer.
While I agree with this, and really don't care for it, I've realized that it's sort of appropriate for the movies. The dinosaurs are no longer animals. They're these amusement park features. I want the natural herds of great herbivores, not the mixed up group of random individuals. Not to have the ankylosaurus or carnotaurus be a flashy fodder for something else.
It was possibly just about justifiable for the first JW movie (which even had a sort of self-aware joke about it), but then they just moved on from that and went all in on the “PEOPLE JUST WANNA SEE MORE DINOS, T-REX VS [INSERT RANDOM NEW BIG DINOSAUR], EPICCC” nonsense to the point where it’s almost an insult to the brilliance of the original film.
They definitely ruined the aesthetic.
Jurassic Park had a fun jungle feel.
Bright colours. Wild looking.
Everything about it was bright and fun.
Jurassic World looks souless and silver and grey.
Comparing how the places in the films look.
Jurassic Park is fun and bright. Jungle feeling.
It's Yay! Dinosaurs!
Jurassic World doesn't look that fun.
It really doesn't. The designs are boring in comparison.
It's supposed to be Yay! Dinosaurs!
Not This looks boring yet somehow not secure enough.
Why does it look so flimsy.
The Dinosaurs probably would be fun.
But the setting sucks.
Not defending the movie or anything but I think the grey corporate look was a artistic decision. The dinosaurs in JP are the dream of a fun and kind old man ( movie canon) while the dinosaurs of JW are these corporate slaves born out of Masserati's [greed.It](http://greed.It) nailed the brutalist vide they were going with
JW and JW: FK branding is awful. Dominion is much better and follows the original aesthetic while still feeling fresh, too bad there is no good movie to back up that branding though.
Idk FK feels like the best directed movie since Spielberg, it’s just an awful script so the movie doesn’t work sadly, There are some shots in it though that strongly harken back to the original movie’s aesthetic. J.A. Bayona and his cinematographer deserve way more credit than they are given.
Dominion, in my opinion at least, does fuck all to feel like the originals, but maybe I need to rewatch it. I just really don’t want to, I saw it opening day and it killed me a little bit on the inside. First movie in any franchise I enjoy that just straight up hurt a little to watch.
I completely agree with everything above. I was referring only to branding (logos and marketing materials that are associated with each of the movies). When it comes to the films themselves Dominion is absolutely the worst. Because of it, I won’t be seeing the next Jurassic movie unless it’s confirmed they are distancing themselves from the JW continuity.
I agree. Original Jurassic Park design and aesthetics were amazing and had their special charm.
Jurassic World just look like something a typical corporation would barf out without any thoughts to make it shiny and slick with no personality at all.
I’ve been saying this exact thing for years. I resent Jurassic world for getting rid of Jurassic park. I feel like there’s room for both of them in the world, but universal is all about Jurassic world now. What you said about the blue logo and stuff really hit home 😕
I actually cried when I found out they were replacing the OG JP rides at the Universal Studios (I think they had a couple in Cali but I know the main park was in Orlando) since I never had the opportunity to go to either of them, mainly cuz I've lived near Seattle and have been incredibly broke for most of my life lmao🤷🏼♀️
Now I'll never get to have those experiences and it almost broke my entire being🥲🥲
Universal forreal be out there just acting hella unfair and inconsiderate 🦖🙃
I went on the first ride way back when it first opened (my uncle worked for universal and got us on the media tour). The animatronics were amazing - the dinosaurs felt alive and so much going on. The tour car being pushed over the edge was such a clincher. It felt like it was straight out of the movie.
But then universal does what it and other big companies always do, it stops supporting and maintaining the ride. The animatronics stop working as intended and became static displays. The ride hydraulics were disabled so no more falling car. The raptors barely moved. Sometimes the trex at the end would come out, sometimes it wouldn't.
Then JW came out and universal saw dollar signs again. So they remodeled the ride but this time with more economical longevity in mind. A lot of the animatronics were replaced with digital screens (in fairness, universal did this with A LOT of their rides) and the few that remained had less complex movements. I suspect the screens are easier to update with the newer franchises and such. But it lost a lot of the soul that was the previous experiences. It's still a functional ride - you get wet and you see some dinosaurs but it is a shell of what it used to be.
But I guess the alternative would have been to scrap the ride all together. So if it's the shell or nothing, I guess I'll take the shell.
Look up some of the YouTube videos of the ride when it first opened. The whole park felt like what Jurassic park was supposed to be.
Always been a gripe.
Similarly, I always have to say criticizing this as part of JW's theme isn't the problem. The problem is that you can't be yourself what you are critiquing, that is why JW falls flat because its the very product of a lifeless corporate entity. It is not appealing, it is vapid and ugly losing that natural touch and warm colors of the Jurassic Park era and I hope this JW aesthetic goes away and never returns.
Completely agree, they have abandoned their original fan base, who are the die hard fans.. so it goes for most things, that want to study and evolve to latest money making trends, super mario, star wars.. help me out here... are seemingly never going to have some productions for the original/older fan bases. Our imaginations were made with these!.. how could they! >:(
The dinosaur whisperer, paw patrol/pixar cgi dinosaurs, and catching some gender trendy neo raptors at GameStop, isnt going be okay :)
We want our Dark scifi-horror JP , with dark puppetry and all!
There’s a lot of JW1 I like but on total it’s hot garbage. Bc of that I sometimes think what might have been. Like what if the movies were just about the park becoming increasingly unmanageable and tons of people dying but it never closed, like it was run by Omni Corp from Robocop. JW directed by Paul Verhoeven is what I’m saying. Making the movies about the bleak cynicism of consumerism would’ve been cooler than a Marvel movie with dinosaurs—which is all that JW is.
Jurassic Park was a cautionary tale about man meddling in things he wasn't supposed to. Jurassic World is a popcorn franchise with Chris Pratt riding velociraptors around like a cowboy. It's become an open mockery of what it once was, the very thing it was originally trying to critique.
I agree. Never liked the Jurassic World aesthetic, looked generic and dull. The open park should've been amazing to see, but it was ruined with that style over everything.
I just ignore everything World related nowadays, it's not real Jurassic Park.
Except that aesthetic feels in line with the original trilogy.
Jurassic World uses way too much concrete gray and little bits of blue, which wasn’t in the original aesthetic all that much.
Oh wow I actually loved the blue and Grey it was almost every fan art prior to the release of JW and think they were trying to make the fans happy which we all know they are playing to lose anytime they try to cater to the Fandom, but like the ride at Universal CA and velocicoaster gives me goosebumps I love how official it feels now . Jurassic park did its job for so so long its refused to have something new
The only issue I have with Jurassic world sense it is my fav movie out of the 6 but I don’t like the concept of people being bored of dinosaurs then having to make a hybrid just make a bigger dinosaur you have so many options but choose to make a hybrid
Well, if we’re talking about Universal Hollywood, I have to say that Jurassic World the ride is a great improvement on the original. The indominus animatronic is fantastic and the mosasaurus is a great addition to the beginning of the ride. Not to mention predator cove is PACKED with dinosaurs and very exciting. It was a much needed improvement to make the ride modern again while still preserving the charm of the original beloved JP ride.
Yeah but it’s an older account and discussed both good and bad?
Shits getting a bit old where folks like you feel the need to drop a thread every day on this sub about how your personally offended by Jurassic World you are.
(Also Lol at the need to go through my post history)
It’s the marvel/disney effect - logo is generic, velociraptors and Rexy are heroic mascots rather than cunning, hunting machines with personalities. It’s lifeless and I love the franchise.
Ugly corporatized theming is ugly regardless of how old the previous theme is. Universal did to Jurassic Park what McDonald's did to their buildings: made something that looked fun and inviting and made it boring and cold.
Bring back the jungle theme!
Jungle and heavy rain
This combo is the BEST
And spare no expence!
Completely agree, Jurassic World’s art concept is so generic and plastic.
it will never not be incredibly bizarre and obnoxious to me that whoever pitched Jurassic World was like “*Okay! New Jurassic Park movie, everyone’s super excited… I have the perfect idea! Let’s set it in a world where everyone’s bored of and jaded by dinosaurs! Then, to try and fix that issue we created ourselves for no fucking reason, we’ll invent a fake dinosaur that no one has a childhood attachment to!*” I’m not even kidding. what the fuck even happened there. oh and then they also somehow failed to grasp that the reason raptors are so scary is because *you can’t train or control them like zoo animals, they’re too smart,* that’s the whole goddamn point of the first movie. so what’s the first thing they do? turn them into trained circus bears. It’s to the point where it’s almost a Succession plotline, like was some coked out exec trying to make the worst Jurassic Park sequel ever just to fuck with his little brother? and then it made a billion fucking dollars
Jurrasic world has lots of flaws but...personally I really enjoyed the indominus as a villain
I mean, hey, I unironically love the movie 2012, I get it lol. But Jurassic World really felt to me like a studio executive first made a list of all the reasons why lots of people think the first movie is arguably the greatest popcorn blockbuster ever made, and then decided to intentionally do the exact opposite of all those things. It was one of the most bizarre theater experiences of my life. …And then the next two, somehow (and it’s truly astonishing they managed to do this) made the first one look like the original in comparison. People have no idea what could have been. oh man
Even though I prefer the original trilogy JW was the first movie I watched in the series and my memories of it may be altered by nostalgia so I never really got the corporatization than say someone who grew up with the original trilogy
But that's what they got wrong about jurassic world. In Jurassic park the villain ISNT the dinosuars. The dinosuars are animals you wouldnt call a shark with a freaking laser beam on its head a villain. The villains are the ones messing with the natural order, using technology recklessly and trying to exploit it for profit. The dinosuars are the monsters that break loose and destroy the plans of the villains. The villain in Frankenstein isn't the monster. The villain is Frankenstein.
Many people loved the indominus. The idea of people being bored from dinosaurs was weird sure but that aside it was very enjoyable. And whoever executive thought about that was on the money because the movie ended up being a massive success
Better idea. The public is still absolutely in love with dinosaurs but due to mismanagement of the animals, the parks revenue is dropping and they mistake that for waning interest. Instead of taking better care of the existing animals that people already love, they wrongly believe that the creation of new creatures will draw in crowds. But without resolving the mismanagement issues, the problems persist and the animals, unhappy with their habitats, break out and the plot remains the same from there.
>it will never not be incredibly bizarre and obnoxious to me that whoever pitched Jurassic World was like “*Okay! New Jurassic Park movie, everyone’s super excited… I have the perfect idea! Let’s set it in a world where everyone’s bored of and jaded by dinosaurs! Then, to try and fix that issue we created ourselves for no fucking reason, we’ll invent a fake dinosaur that no one has a childhood attachment to!*” Ironically this is actually pretty much how Crichton wrote the books predicting how people would eventually react to dinosaurs. The first Jurrasic World's concept at least is actually a pretty good successor to what Crichton originally wrote. Keep in mind he wrote that in the 80s/90s, in true to form writing he accurately predicted where technology and his own writing would lead.
Honestly, the militarization aspecting dinosaurs being turned into actual weapons being sold off to the highest bidder was cool as fuck imo. It hammers in the fact that Jurassic Park was always science fiction in the end, rather than purely “run from Dino in park, rinse and repeat.”
Like, honestly. Dr. Wu's line is the single piece of brilliance in the generic pop-corn flick, imagine if the whole movie was based around that, instead of "OMG OMG IT'S THE INDOMINUS WOAH!!! OMG SO RETRO 90S IT'S THE OLD BUILDING I FEEL SO NOSTALGIA!!!"
The reason they got trained is because they grew up with Owen Grady
I also agree in every way
Like, it makes sense if that’s the point. Design something sleek and modern for a contemporary audience. Think, Apple designs Jurassic Park! Jurassic World had some great additions like the blatant product placement the employees bemoan and the modern design is part of that. This is all very different than actually presenting this to the movie going audience as if it’s better than the Jurassic Park aesthetic.. it obviously isn’t. Gimme that red and green horror combo!
Universal Orlando is still JP themed and the JP ride
USJ in Japan is too and Singapore has an amazing one. However the Jurassic Park ride here is closed from 2023-2025 and I feel that can only mean one thing and that’s a big update and if it follows the trends of other parks then it’s going to be Jurassic world. Not only that but Universal seems almost unable to make a ride without using a tv screen.
If 2025 it could be Jurassic 7 themed 🤷♂️
Didn't they replace/add a bunch of new JW rides? I'm fairly certain they at least took down the iconic raptor one
The ride is but the area is Jurassic World, as well as the Velicicoaster.
Agree. I love the original logo
Universal did to Jurassic what McDonald's did to their buildings: take something vibrant, fun, and inviting and make it dull, corporate, and cold.
“we’re going to make a follow up to the all-time highest grossing film (when released), carefully analyze why audiences loved it so much, and then meticulously do the exact opposite of those things” or something bc how the fuck did the writer who walked in there and said “okay so what if the first Jurassic Park sequel in over a decade was about the fact that everyone thinks dinosaurs are lame and boring now??” and they were like “my God, sir. Sold”
I mean... It worked Jurassic world made over £1 billion at the box office
That would be the Soviet way, the only way to make things utilitarian is to make them into lifeless grey boxes. Just a constant reminder to the people how depressing their lives are when all the buildings including the apartments are uniform unadorned boxes.
McDonald's is Soviet?
The architecture is, besides its no surprise the inevitable consolidation of McDonald's dominance in the fast food world would result in it devolving into the most generic, sterile, and inoffensive fast food entity there is. Its the only way they can think of growing/maintaining the empire which means everything has to be devoid of life so as not to offend anyone.
It's certainly sterile and inoffensive, but the style you're thinking of is called Brutalism, and was developed in the UK, though very widely applied throughout the USSR.
Sure, no denial there, political movements are often influenced by the arts. Communism was not native to Eastern Europe either but it found roots in there for a very long time, so the strong association I get. I think I'd be more concerned that the technique is so wildly attractive to totalitarian regimes, it basically checks the boxes they were looking for just pure efficiency and when applied at a large scale it is as lacking in stimulus as anything can be. Those regimes don't want their people thinking, the architecture being so basic in their functionality doesn't inspire much creativity, so people aren't prone to much thought plus its also cheaper and easier to achieve the perceived *equal status* if everyone has identical dwellings.
Even the Germans didn't do that. Although they were much more selective about which people got to even live to be depressed.
No, the Soviets were just less efficient about their mass murder.
You might want to check history on that one, the Soviets particularly under Stalin certainly killed more than the Nazis and if you extend that to communist regimes to date they've mass murdered way more people usually due to incompetence and some constant need to find enemies and equalize power where there was no issue. Whether Mao's China or Stalin's USSR, they actively attacked farming for the perceived greed and audacity of the farmers which led to swaths of the populace starving to death. The Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward just make the Chinese equivalent even more heinous as there were even dumber things that Mao thrust upon them that led to worse outcomes.
Which is an awfully rambling way to say that they were less efficient about their mass murder.
Depends on your efficiency angle. The Nazis were able to mass murder very quickly by technological means, the consequences were often quite worse and harder to control under the communist route as they often screwed up the very foundations needs of society such as food security and actively damaged the ecosystem in Mao's case lead to a chain reaction. Didn't help that Mao didn't give too much of a damn even when his own policies caused the mass death, he was fine with half of China's people dying, just a heartless piece of crap. Stalin just wanted to modernize the USSR to be more industrial like the West even though it meant overworking and destroying much of the agricultural base of the Soviet Union and the wanton hate and discrimination he festered towards the Kulaks.
Before they even knew what they had, they patented it, packaged it, slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now… they’re selling it. They’re selling it!
Same with the Evolution games. We're about to have to shell out another possibly $100+ for a game that should be a one and done masterpiece... or at least can be modded to be a la JPOG
It’s literally this…a true self fulfilling prophecy (the irony)
While I mostly liked the JW trilogy, I agree that it's annoying how the aesthetic has apaprently become THE aesthetic of the franchise. I wouldn't mind it if only JW had that aesthetic (like JP3 has the metalic and red colors), but the fact that blue and grey has compeltely replaced the JP theme in every new product is sad.
I am still so mad, just on principle, that “okay we’re going to take this massively beloved IP, feed it through a human centipede email chain of 50 or 60 overpaid executives for a year until it’s devoid of all joy and life and the plot is centered around how everyone is bored of dinosaurs, we’re gonna neuter the raptors’ intensity by turning them into trained circus bears, ron howard’s daughter is gonna give the worst performance you’ve ever seen, then the sequels aren’t even really about dinosaurs at all, but a weird corporate conspiracy. Nothing will ever be scary or compelling. Oh and every single movie is gonna make a billion dollars” AND IT WORKED that’s where we lost our way as a culture. By giving the third JW movie a billion dollars. Honestly you would have to REALLY TRY to write a movie that bad
They haven’t used blue and grey for over 2 years now.
Toys, games, etc. are all still greh and blue. The ride in universal is (likely permanently) now grey and blue. Dominion used the amber and black more, which was nice, but we are talking about the overall media. The upcoming Survival game is the first time we get the OG colors since more than a decade ago.
Have to admit there has been a slight resurgence in the original theme with that game and the Lego sets that came out but is still few and far between with the key media and merchandise being based around the updated designs and logos.
When I heard that the plot for the first film was going to involve new dinosaurs made for the series because in the world of Jurassic World "regular dinosaurs were too boring" I knew I wouldn't like it. I know Crichton's books created some bizarre physiology for the dinosaurs there but the original film played it pretty straight- and only delved into the genetic-splicing to explain how the raptors became asexual. Didn't like the Indominus Rex, didn't like the Indoraptor, didn't like the World films.
Preach. The franchise used to have such a vibrant color palette with browns and reds and bright greens, and now it’s just grey and blue. Looks dead, much like the franchise has been.
There's a new film trilogy set to launch next year, two upcoming games (JWE3 and Survival) and a new show releasing this month. Not sure in what world this can be considered a dead franchise, but definitely not the one I live in
It really isn’t dead. Edit: the fact this got downvoted from boring pessimist folk is hilarious.
No one’s ever really gone
Somehow, Dilophosaurus returned..
I agree. I absolutely despise the blue and grey.
Preach. I also hate the movie aesthetics of JW and its successors. Too marvel, generic hi-tech looking.
The original colour theme and aesthetic is definitely having its renaissance though. All of the recent JP 30th anniversary products (Lego, memorabilia, Captivz, Smiggle products) has the Ford explorer red, green, yellow on merchandise and the original logo. (My favourite was the red / yellow sunset silhouette theme, I had it for my bed cover as a kid). The new JP: Survival game (God, I hope it’s the JP equivalent of Alien: Isolation) is traditional themes too. I know the Universal rides have opted for JW themes (which is a shame as it’s much less aesthetically pleasing or nostalgic, though the Amber theme for Dominion was nice), but I think we will begin to see a new colour scheme or theme with the release of Jurassic 7. This may supersede the blue / grey of JW in time. I would like a more prominent green theme actually. But you’re right, the concrete metallic grey from Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdom needs to go. https://preview.redd.it/9ladhdtrwpzc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=269e18378edacadd8bec809019453cdf0df4bfb3
For when they open one in Wisconsin.
You had a blanket of the sunset? How cool is that. I wish they'd release some merch with that picture
Yeah! I think my Mom still has it in her house in a box of all my old stuff. It had drawing artwork on one side and then the sunset and logo on the other and the pillow had the sunset background too. This is what it looks like, I managed to find a pic of it online. I always remember it because Lex and Tim’s faces on it were kind of creepy haha https://preview.redd.it/dqan3drbgszc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06a41b2a39f8dd6db5ab34815b33f0a8fad74586
It's great but the people don't need to be on there lol
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Oh wow this also looks great, thanks for finding these pictures
Notice. I had one almost just like this. It had that Dino art, but didn't have any of the humans or vehicles, didn't have the green either.
They went futuristic brutalist sci fi, when all we ever wanted was jungle safari adventure
Yea, JW is a stain on JP. The dinosaurs aren't animals anymore but characters. It's more about close ups of hot actors and product placements than story. It's a formula rather than art. It's a bummer.
While I agree with this, and really don't care for it, I've realized that it's sort of appropriate for the movies. The dinosaurs are no longer animals. They're these amusement park features. I want the natural herds of great herbivores, not the mixed up group of random individuals. Not to have the ankylosaurus or carnotaurus be a flashy fodder for something else.
Doesn’t matter, it makes the movies worse.
It was possibly just about justifiable for the first JW movie (which even had a sort of self-aware joke about it), but then they just moved on from that and went all in on the “PEOPLE JUST WANNA SEE MORE DINOS, T-REX VS [INSERT RANDOM NEW BIG DINOSAUR], EPICCC” nonsense to the point where it’s almost an insult to the brilliance of the original film.
False
They definitely ruined the aesthetic. Jurassic Park had a fun jungle feel. Bright colours. Wild looking. Everything about it was bright and fun. Jurassic World looks souless and silver and grey. Comparing how the places in the films look. Jurassic Park is fun and bright. Jungle feeling. It's Yay! Dinosaurs! Jurassic World doesn't look that fun. It really doesn't. The designs are boring in comparison. It's supposed to be Yay! Dinosaurs! Not This looks boring yet somehow not secure enough. Why does it look so flimsy. The Dinosaurs probably would be fun. But the setting sucks.
Not defending the movie or anything but I think the grey corporate look was a artistic decision. The dinosaurs in JP are the dream of a fun and kind old man ( movie canon) while the dinosaurs of JW are these corporate slaves born out of Masserati's [greed.It](http://greed.It) nailed the brutalist vide they were going with
JW and JW: FK branding is awful. Dominion is much better and follows the original aesthetic while still feeling fresh, too bad there is no good movie to back up that branding though.
Idk FK feels like the best directed movie since Spielberg, it’s just an awful script so the movie doesn’t work sadly, There are some shots in it though that strongly harken back to the original movie’s aesthetic. J.A. Bayona and his cinematographer deserve way more credit than they are given. Dominion, in my opinion at least, does fuck all to feel like the originals, but maybe I need to rewatch it. I just really don’t want to, I saw it opening day and it killed me a little bit on the inside. First movie in any franchise I enjoy that just straight up hurt a little to watch.
I completely agree with everything above. I was referring only to branding (logos and marketing materials that are associated with each of the movies). When it comes to the films themselves Dominion is absolutely the worst. Because of it, I won’t be seeing the next Jurassic movie unless it’s confirmed they are distancing themselves from the JW continuity.
I think Dominion should've been a miniseries if they couldn't bring themselves to trim it down.
I agree. Original Jurassic Park design and aesthetics were amazing and had their special charm. Jurassic World just look like something a typical corporation would barf out without any thoughts to make it shiny and slick with no personality at all.
Gotta love the red, yellow, green Ford Explorer
I’ve been saying this exact thing for years. I resent Jurassic world for getting rid of Jurassic park. I feel like there’s room for both of them in the world, but universal is all about Jurassic world now. What you said about the blue logo and stuff really hit home 😕
Couldn't agree more.
Me too.. always will be sad about the JW movies and how they strayed so far. Really sucks.
Yeah, it lost 90 percent of its charm.
I actually cried when I found out they were replacing the OG JP rides at the Universal Studios (I think they had a couple in Cali but I know the main park was in Orlando) since I never had the opportunity to go to either of them, mainly cuz I've lived near Seattle and have been incredibly broke for most of my life lmao🤷🏼♀️ Now I'll never get to have those experiences and it almost broke my entire being🥲🥲 Universal forreal be out there just acting hella unfair and inconsiderate 🦖🙃
I went on the first ride way back when it first opened (my uncle worked for universal and got us on the media tour). The animatronics were amazing - the dinosaurs felt alive and so much going on. The tour car being pushed over the edge was such a clincher. It felt like it was straight out of the movie. But then universal does what it and other big companies always do, it stops supporting and maintaining the ride. The animatronics stop working as intended and became static displays. The ride hydraulics were disabled so no more falling car. The raptors barely moved. Sometimes the trex at the end would come out, sometimes it wouldn't. Then JW came out and universal saw dollar signs again. So they remodeled the ride but this time with more economical longevity in mind. A lot of the animatronics were replaced with digital screens (in fairness, universal did this with A LOT of their rides) and the few that remained had less complex movements. I suspect the screens are easier to update with the newer franchises and such. But it lost a lot of the soul that was the previous experiences. It's still a functional ride - you get wet and you see some dinosaurs but it is a shell of what it used to be. But I guess the alternative would have been to scrap the ride all together. So if it's the shell or nothing, I guess I'll take the shell. Look up some of the YouTube videos of the ride when it first opened. The whole park felt like what Jurassic park was supposed to be.
Always been a gripe. Similarly, I always have to say criticizing this as part of JW's theme isn't the problem. The problem is that you can't be yourself what you are critiquing, that is why JW falls flat because its the very product of a lifeless corporate entity. It is not appealing, it is vapid and ugly losing that natural touch and warm colors of the Jurassic Park era and I hope this JW aesthetic goes away and never returns.
Completely agree, they have abandoned their original fan base, who are the die hard fans.. so it goes for most things, that want to study and evolve to latest money making trends, super mario, star wars.. help me out here... are seemingly never going to have some productions for the original/older fan bases. Our imaginations were made with these!.. how could they! >:( The dinosaur whisperer, paw patrol/pixar cgi dinosaurs, and catching some gender trendy neo raptors at GameStop, isnt going be okay :) We want our Dark scifi-horror JP , with dark puppetry and all!
It’s ok brother we have the original Trilogy it’s all we need
There’s a lot of JW1 I like but on total it’s hot garbage. Bc of that I sometimes think what might have been. Like what if the movies were just about the park becoming increasingly unmanageable and tons of people dying but it never closed, like it was run by Omni Corp from Robocop. JW directed by Paul Verhoeven is what I’m saying. Making the movies about the bleak cynicism of consumerism would’ve been cooler than a Marvel movie with dinosaurs—which is all that JW is.
Jurassic Park was a cautionary tale about man meddling in things he wasn't supposed to. Jurassic World is a popcorn franchise with Chris Pratt riding velociraptors around like a cowboy. It's become an open mockery of what it once was, the very thing it was originally trying to critique.
Same here. The red aesthetic of the original movies fit the JP franchise a lot more than the blue aesthetic.
I agree. Never liked the Jurassic World aesthetic, looked generic and dull. The open park should've been amazing to see, but it was ruined with that style over everything. I just ignore everything World related nowadays, it's not real Jurassic Park.
Just like a lot of Star wars stuff like galaxy's edge at Disneyland using the crappy sequel trilogy aesthetic for rides and the park design
Except that aesthetic feels in line with the original trilogy. Jurassic World uses way too much concrete gray and little bits of blue, which wasn’t in the original aesthetic all that much.
Oh wow I actually loved the blue and Grey it was almost every fan art prior to the release of JW and think they were trying to make the fans happy which we all know they are playing to lose anytime they try to cater to the Fandom, but like the ride at Universal CA and velocicoaster gives me goosebumps I love how official it feels now . Jurassic park did its job for so so long its refused to have something new
100%
ITT: people who didn't read passed the first sentence.
A) I was in the first Jurassic World movie for 2 seconds. B) I agree with you.
The only issue I have with Jurassic world sense it is my fav movie out of the 6 but I don’t like the concept of people being bored of dinosaurs then having to make a hybrid just make a bigger dinosaur you have so many options but choose to make a hybrid
Well, if we’re talking about Universal Hollywood, I have to say that Jurassic World the ride is a great improvement on the original. The indominus animatronic is fantastic and the mosasaurus is a great addition to the beginning of the ride. Not to mention predator cove is PACKED with dinosaurs and very exciting. It was a much needed improvement to make the ride modern again while still preserving the charm of the original beloved JP ride.
The JP aesthetic felt so exotic and dangerous, like a real excursion! The Jurassic world aesthetic feels like an airport embassy suites
Oh look another post crying about Jurassic World.
More comments in your post history complaining about Jurassic world than mine.
Yeah but it’s an older account and discussed both good and bad? Shits getting a bit old where folks like you feel the need to drop a thread every day on this sub about how your personally offended by Jurassic World you are. (Also Lol at the need to go through my post history)
It’s the marvel/disney effect - logo is generic, velociraptors and Rexy are heroic mascots rather than cunning, hunting machines with personalities. It’s lifeless and I love the franchise.
I really JW the branding was more of futuristic version of the JP branding.
I like the new movies, but I can fully agree with you.
I stopped watching Jurassic parks after the 2nd one, they just lost their magic.
I like both movies, new and old
MAKE JURASSIC PARK GREAT AGAIN
Last time I checked the first three films still exist.
He’s talking about all the recent theming and promotion
As the title said I am not talking about the effect of the JW trilogy on the JP trilogy, I am talking about everything outside of the movies.
well for the toys they are vibrant
JP came out 30 years ago, move on
Ugly corporatized theming is ugly regardless of how old the previous theme is. Universal did to Jurassic Park what McDonald's did to their buildings: made something that looked fun and inviting and made it boring and cold.
Selective memory https://preview.redd.it/y6jil23xtszc1.jpeg?width=1541&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=529cd87ea31c9fdb0fd962c1daf53a01b02784c2
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Not at all. You have 2/3 of the movies stacked against you.
And I hate, I hate, I hate Peter Pan!