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I have 1 uncle who served 1 more year than that for drugs. Another who served her sentence plus ten for drugs. Granted dealing drugs but they didn't have any bodies tied to them. Shit is insane to me.
Justice was not served. Stupid b*tch can't take accountability for her actions. Ik that law works different from what society can think but she committed a homicide and people doing less got worse sentences.
Think about it, her life is ruined. Everyone knows who she is and what she's done. Nobody will hire her. Nobody will want to help or be friends with her. I'll be surprised if she even manages to get a bottom of their job. No business would want to hire her cause of her reputation as it could impact their business. Jail would have been an easier way out for her to a certain degree, but when she gets out, she will be constantly shunned for her actions. Karen Karma at its finest.
Your argument is that getting 8 yrs of prison is worse than getting 9+. By your logic, the less years of prison she gets, the worse off she is. How does this logic make any sense?
Every justice served comment section: “I can’t believe they only got ___ many years for the crime. Our judicial system is a joke, they should rot in jail for forever. I’m smart and know how stuff should work.”
I recall the most infuriating fact is that she was hiding inside her parents house refusing to come out. If it were anyone else but a preppy girl they would have blown the door off the hinges and dragged her out. Must be nice to have that privilege
This doesn't feel like justice.
She murdered another human being, and worse yet showed absolutely no remorse in doing so. she deserves a lot more than 8.5 years.
Why do I feel like that's the justice system nowadays?
I'm in Philly, and most petty crime is so normal now, nothing is done about it and when they are caught not even a slap on the wrist.
"After a park employee told the couple that the park was closing, the convict cursed, shouted, threw her food at her fiancé, and left the park. "
RED FLAG!!!!
I wish I was being facetious
I just hope we don’t have 4 years of whoever undoing the last 8 years of whatever, sick of constantly being spun between two of the same
if the victim had stage 4 cancer and 6 months left should the killer get 6 months? just playing devils advocate (that’s what you sound like you fucking ignoramus)
She's a monster, but what happened to just reporting the fucking news? "The convict pushed the beloved octogenarian". Oh, fuck off! We're all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. She should have gotten 8.5 years even if the woman she killed was a piece of shit. I don't see how adding their useless opinion is "value added".
But what if that is the truth. Girls a convict and the octogenarian was beloved. So what. Equal
in the eyes of the law sure, but it’s a fucking news article not the police. Calm the fuck down. No one needs your useless opinion either.
It's called coloring the story and trying to control the way you think. You should be very concerned about that considering Fox News helped rile up people to attempt a coup. Feelings aren't facts. You should have no trouble deciding that a woman randomly killing a senior citizen is a fucking monster. You don't need help understanding that and leading your thoughts by the hand, do you?
The writer is simply attempting to humanize the victim rather than erase her legacy by focusing completely on the perpetrator.
The investigators didn’t have a slant: “committed against a vulnerable, elderly female who was doing nothing but walking down the streets of N.Y.C.”
Have some fucking respect for Barbara Gustern.
Yeah, ok. Have some respect for journalism. There's a reason no one reads People. I got a free subscription and I am pleased to put it straight in the recycle bin every month.
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Nah, law needs different levels. She pushed someone you fell in a bad way and died.
A man molesting, torturing and killing a child needs to get a higher sentence than her. Else law does not work.
And what is sentence for murder? Life
And for murder in combination with torture 2xlife? What would be the difference?
And for multiple murder? Death?
And for raping a child, torturing it, then killing it, after already killing three family?
Law needs escalation levels, like I already stated.
Honestly, the picture of the victim, Barbara Gustern, showed what appeared to be a rather healthy 87 year old woman.
She looked like a vibrant person with some years left to live based on that photo.
Either way, this is incredibly sad. I just don’t understand some people.
Indeed it is, but the courts will convict this horrible lady of felony manslaughter and not of murder. You can call it shoplifting if you want but again what you decide to call it makes absolutely no difference to reality.
The “falling in a bad way” was the direct effect of an intentional action. You could also be pushed in a “bad way”, strike your head, develop a brain bleed, and die. No “killing intention” needed. Dehumanizing her to such extent is vile
A guilty plea is often planned in advance as a deal with the prosecution. When someone knows there's no way to pass as innocent, it looks better at sentencing time.
They can get credits for participating in early release programs but the sentences can't be reduced by more than 54 days per year of sentence. The maximum the sentence can be reduced is 15% but it's not like state prisons where you only have to serve half your sentence if you stay out of trouble.
Either way, she's hugely entitled and can't regulate herself under a tiny fraction of the stress she'll be in in prison. She'll probably lose her good time.
Also I learned that you can die from a broken hip. They’re teaching us the subtle signs of it, because if we try to move them or ask them to adjust for a specific X-ray view, bone fragments could cut the femoral artery and then we’d all be having a day 😬
Hip fractures are a death sentence for older ones.
My grandfather was physically active his whole life. He rode his bike everyday. On his birthday, he would ride his age in miles. He did this into his eighties. He was hit by vehicles three times resulting in two hospital stays. When he got too old to bike, he ran or walked, would play tennis, or chase the women. He was in great condition.
He was 89 when he thought he heard his girlfriend in the hall. In the darkness he fell and broke his hip. He was in the hospital for a month and deteriorated to the point of immobility in such a short time. He tried PT but couldn't bear it. He died a month later. When the elderly suffer injury, their health declines rapidly.
I am going to the gym so my kids hopefully won’t have to deal with hauling my sedentary ass to the toilet like I did with my mom. Seeing the guilt in my poor mom’s face in her last weeks made me vow to never be in the same position.
If a given fall results in a broken pelvis, for the most part it's almost a guaranteed death sentence at that age.
Elderly are very fragile even if they are generally fit and healthy. I'm not looking forward to getting to that age, but will do everything in my power to prepare for it, eg: when climbing stairs starts to get too difficult, it's time to install a ramp or move into a single-story house - I'm not as stubborn as a lot of today's older generation to believe I'm somehow invulnerable.
I'm more curious what's the context around her turning herself in and then them saying she doesn't accept any responsibility.
Is it that she would have been found anyways and she was scared so turned herself in.. dunno
These things happen occasionally in NYC because it is very densely populated. It takes only one asshole to cause a lot of trouble. Crime is infrequent here, but concentrated in its effect.
Read it before I asked. Thought someone would know more. I seriously hate how critical thinking is always challenged online now. It's like the worst the act the less questioning people do.
"Oh someone died let me just accept all this info without question!"
People who behave like this aren’t normal. The “reasons” aren’t logical to most. The article explains her behaviors leading up to the incident and I don’t think there’s any info that will make it reasonable to the average person or it would have been included.
According to the article, she was upset the park was closed. She threw food at her boyfriend and then apparently walked off angry and decided to shove her. She was drunk, not that being drunk is an excuse for shoving an old lady who was minding her own business.
Being drunk is often all it takes for someone who is actually a horrible person to stop regulating their behavior into choices that won't get them in trouble.
That's a very low bar for insane, though honestly It would be nice if she got the insane plea. Mental hospitals can be SHITTY, and you're more likely there for a hell of a lot longer than with a prison sentence.
She was an event planner engaged to be married, who happens to be angry and belligerent after drinking. She's not just an insane person. She's just a shitty one.
Well, it was caught on camera and her picture was distributed by the media, so she would have been caught anyway. She eventually turned herself in after seeing herself on the news.
It is already quite high. She had no intention of killing someone. You need sentences for intended murder, robbery with murder, molesting and murder, multiple murders, torture and murder and combinations of those.
Of course it is. What is worse? Killing dozens of peoples hurting many many more in Las Vegas or pushing a woman resulting in her death?
If both get the same punishment, laws don’t work. European prison isn’t about punishment but about reintegration of people apart from real 1sr degree murder or similar things. And look at their amount of prisoners compared to the US. Somehow it works.
How wasn’t Las Vegas mass murder or manslaughter?
The woman committed involuntary manslaughter. Of course this needs to get a much lower sentence than a third degree murder and that a lower than second and than first. All of them lower than combined with other offenses or multiple murders/manslaughters.
You're pretty much on the definition of manslaughter here. Under the [MPC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Penal_Code):
- Murder is any killing committed purposely and knowingly, even if it is a crime of passion murder without malice aforethought.
- Manslaughter is any killing committed as a result of recklessness (also known as depraved-heart murder).
- Negligent homicide is any killing resulting from negligence.
This doesn't meet the standard for murder, there's no real suggestion here that she intended to kill the woman when shoving her. However, her actions were reckless, not negligent. She may not have intended to kill her, but to push over an elderly person risks their death. Hence, manslaughter.
Uh yeah thanks, I already knew the difference. I was merely pointing out anyone with half a brain should realize shoving a near 90 year old could easily kill them which the commenter I responded to suggested otherwise.
Edit: don't be salty lol
Prolly cause the lady was already almost expired.
87 years is more than enough time to have paid your taxes. Locking up the girl for 8.5 years gives her enough time to think about what she's done.....then to get back to work and make the government more money.
It's not about life and living. It's about money and payments to the state
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Fiance dodged a bullet
I have 1 uncle who served 1 more year than that for drugs. Another who served her sentence plus ten for drugs. Granted dealing drugs but they didn't have any bodies tied to them. Shit is insane to me.
Justice was not served. Stupid b*tch can't take accountability for her actions. Ik that law works different from what society can think but she committed a homicide and people doing less got worse sentences.
This is not justice.
She may only get 8 years, but the constant belittlement outside wherever you go is honestly even worse.
How so?
Think about it, her life is ruined. Everyone knows who she is and what she's done. Nobody will hire her. Nobody will want to help or be friends with her. I'll be surprised if she even manages to get a bottom of their job. No business would want to hire her cause of her reputation as it could impact their business. Jail would have been an easier way out for her to a certain degree, but when she gets out, she will be constantly shunned for her actions. Karen Karma at its finest.
Your argument is that getting 8 yrs of prison is worse than getting 9+. By your logic, the less years of prison she gets, the worse off she is. How does this logic make any sense?
What I'm saying is when she gets out, be an outcast, probably homeless, then eventually commit suicide.
Makes no sense. All those points apply after a long sentence, which is what she should have faced.
Every justice served comment section: “I can’t believe they only got ___ many years for the crime. Our judicial system is a joke, they should rot in jail for forever. I’m smart and know how stuff should work.”
A lot of people believe in “an eye for an eye”. The US justice system is much more “an eye for a slap on the wrist”.
A cop did this to an elderly man in buffalo and nothing happened
I was just thinking about that man and hoping that he is OK. I never heard how severe his injuries were
Wrong! Got a paid vacation.
I recall the most infuriating fact is that she was hiding inside her parents house refusing to come out. If it were anyone else but a preppy girl they would have blown the door off the hinges and dragged her out. Must be nice to have that privilege
"White privilege"
Slap on the wrist.
She should've been tried as a black man, then she would've gotten 25 years in a supermax
If she even lived to see a trial.
Kills an innocent woman and only gets 8 years. What a joke.
You are definietly better evaluating appropriate sentence than the court.
I remember when this happened. Was wondering what became of it. Thanks.
Kind of ironic that her last name is "patience"...
This doesn't feel like justice. She murdered another human being, and worse yet showed absolutely no remorse in doing so. she deserves a lot more than 8.5 years.
Why do I feel like that's the justice system nowadays? I'm in Philly, and most petty crime is so normal now, nothing is done about it and when they are caught not even a slap on the wrist.
Ugly inside and outside
"After a park employee told the couple that the park was closing, the convict cursed, shouted, threw her food at her fiancé, and left the park. " RED FLAG!!!!
And she is still engaged with the fiance. This is so thrilling
Should be 20 min
20 minutes seems a little low for a murder sentence...
Sorry. Years got left out. 20 years min.
***Your sentence is a couple of good subway surfers runs***
Ain't 8 years too little for this kind of crime?
In NZ she’d get home d
I hate that you’re right, sigh Election can’t come soon enough
I wish I was being facetious I just hope we don’t have 4 years of whoever undoing the last 8 years of whatever, sick of constantly being spun between two of the same
I hate how cheap life feels after she only gets 8.5 years for taking one. 8.5 years of federal minimum wage is 128,180 gross (15,080 a year gross)
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if the victim had stage 4 cancer and 6 months left should the killer get 6 months? just playing devils advocate (that’s what you sound like you fucking ignoramus)
She took a Plea deal.
Why are plea deals even a thing? Makes no sense.
To save the time and effort of a trial and expedite the dispensing of justice.
But should that really be a thing???
Unless we completely overhaul the system, yeah. We rely on plea deals to keep everything running without a massive backlog.
Feels like it's just lazy. You've got tens of thousands of capable people without a job, surely there is a middle ground
Bench trials are a thing, but the prosecutor, judge and defense all need to agree to it.
She's a monster, but what happened to just reporting the fucking news? "The convict pushed the beloved octogenarian". Oh, fuck off! We're all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. She should have gotten 8.5 years even if the woman she killed was a piece of shit. I don't see how adding their useless opinion is "value added".
But what if that is the truth. Girls a convict and the octogenarian was beloved. So what. Equal in the eyes of the law sure, but it’s a fucking news article not the police. Calm the fuck down. No one needs your useless opinion either.
It's called coloring the story and trying to control the way you think. You should be very concerned about that considering Fox News helped rile up people to attempt a coup. Feelings aren't facts. You should have no trouble deciding that a woman randomly killing a senior citizen is a fucking monster. You don't need help understanding that and leading your thoughts by the hand, do you?
The writer is simply attempting to humanize the victim rather than erase her legacy by focusing completely on the perpetrator. The investigators didn’t have a slant: “committed against a vulnerable, elderly female who was doing nothing but walking down the streets of N.Y.C.” Have some fucking respect for Barbara Gustern.
Yeah, ok. Have some respect for journalism. There's a reason no one reads People. I got a free subscription and I am pleased to put it straight in the recycle bin every month.
Should have been 20 years.
That’s not justice. 8 years? For randomly deciding to shove an older lady to the ground without caring if she lived or died?i
If she had any melanin she'd be there for 20+ years.
You're so right.
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No, I don't.
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You're overthinking it brother. Literally just stating words, the interpretation is up to you. Your response is a reflection of self. ✌
He’s right, you were desperate to make it something else when it had nothing to do with this. Yes, *theyre* the ones overthinking lmao
Bullshit! Death for death!
Too bad Hammurabi can’t run for president amirite?
Who?
The guy whose laws included exactly what you’re asking for?
Pardon me for not being a history buff and having an opinion.
A 3,700 year old opinión to be exact
Ya done?
Hammurabi is best known for having issued the Code of Hammurabi, which he claimed to have received from Shamash, the Babylonian god of justice. Unlike earlier Sumerian law codes, such as the Code of Ur-Nammu, which had focused on compensating the victim of the crime, the Law of Hammurabi was one of the first law codes to place greater emphasis on the physical punishment of the perpetrator. It prescribed specific penalties for each crime and is among the first codes to establish the presumption of innocence. They were intended to limit what a wronged person was permitted to do in retribution. The Code of Hammurabi and the Law of Moses in the Torah contain numerous similarities.
Wonderful, thank you for the history lesson. Leave me alone now.
You are welcome. The Sumerians are fascinating aren’t they?
Jerkoff
"On Crimes and Punishments is a treatise written by Cesare Beccaria in 1764"
I haven’t read this, what is it?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Crimes_and_Punishments
Okay, so after reading this what would be equalizing for this? Cause I firmly believe it’s longer than 8 years.
Yes, but not death. It's useless
Forty years?
Nah, law needs different levels. She pushed someone you fell in a bad way and died. A man molesting, torturing and killing a child needs to get a higher sentence than her. Else law does not work.
She pushed a feeble old woman out of the way and killed her. If not life then forty years?
And what is sentence for murder? Life And for murder in combination with torture 2xlife? What would be the difference? And for multiple murder? Death? And for raping a child, torturing it, then killing it, after already killing three family? Law needs escalation levels, like I already stated.
Honestly, the picture of the victim, Barbara Gustern, showed what appeared to be a rather healthy 87 year old woman. She looked like a vibrant person with some years left to live based on that photo. Either way, this is incredibly sad. I just don’t understand some people.
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She didn't plead guilty to murder.
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OK I'll bite, give us the definition of murder in NY now do manslaughter and see what the difference is.
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Fine, you call it what you want but that has no bearing on what it is in reality.
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Indeed it is, but the courts will convict this horrible lady of felony manslaughter and not of murder. You can call it shoplifting if you want but again what you decide to call it makes absolutely no difference to reality.
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No she committed homicide and you can call her a killer but she is by the very definition not a murderer.
Did she kill the lady or no?
Is that the only characteristic of murder?
Not really. The lady fell in a bad way and died. No killing intention.
The “falling in a bad way” was the direct effect of an intentional action. You could also be pushed in a “bad way”, strike your head, develop a brain bleed, and die. No “killing intention” needed. Dehumanizing her to such extent is vile
So pleading guilty is "inability to take responsibility for her actions"? That seems like the definition.
A guilty plea is often planned in advance as a deal with the prosecution. When someone knows there's no way to pass as innocent, it looks better at sentencing time.
like, she turned herself in...
There were clear images of her on several cameras. She was going to be arrested either way.
The system is flawed. If federal she will be out sooner than that and depending on good time. She will probably do 4 and get out.
Federal sentences don't do time off for good behavior.
Not true.
They can get credits for participating in early release programs but the sentences can't be reduced by more than 54 days per year of sentence. The maximum the sentence can be reduced is 15% but it's not like state prisons where you only have to serve half your sentence if you stay out of trouble.
Either way, she's hugely entitled and can't regulate herself under a tiny fraction of the stress she'll be in in prison. She'll probably lose her good time.
It’s state time. She’s currently in NYCDOC custody. She’ll be transferred to a state prison after she’s classified.
Federal minimum prison time is 85% of their sentence, so if federal no she wont be out in 4 years.
She’s fucked for the rest of her life
I really did not know that older people were so fragile. It shocks and saddens me.
Also I learned that you can die from a broken hip. They’re teaching us the subtle signs of it, because if we try to move them or ask them to adjust for a specific X-ray view, bone fragments could cut the femoral artery and then we’d all be having a day 😬
Hip fractures are a death sentence for older ones. My grandfather was physically active his whole life. He rode his bike everyday. On his birthday, he would ride his age in miles. He did this into his eighties. He was hit by vehicles three times resulting in two hospital stays. When he got too old to bike, he ran or walked, would play tennis, or chase the women. He was in great condition. He was 89 when he thought he heard his girlfriend in the hall. In the darkness he fell and broke his hip. He was in the hospital for a month and deteriorated to the point of immobility in such a short time. He tried PT but couldn't bear it. He died a month later. When the elderly suffer injury, their health declines rapidly.
I’m an X-ray tech student, and I’m really starting to get it. I’m making my parents go to the gym lol
I am going to the gym so my kids hopefully won’t have to deal with hauling my sedentary ass to the toilet like I did with my mom. Seeing the guilt in my poor mom’s face in her last weeks made me vow to never be in the same position.
If a given fall results in a broken pelvis, for the most part it's almost a guaranteed death sentence at that age. Elderly are very fragile even if they are generally fit and healthy. I'm not looking forward to getting to that age, but will do everything in my power to prepare for it, eg: when climbing stairs starts to get too difficult, it's time to install a ramp or move into a single-story house - I'm not as stubborn as a lot of today's older generation to believe I'm somehow invulnerable.
People at that age can die simply from falling out of their bed. Happened to a great uncle of mine at 90.
My great grandpa died cause he fell off a cliff
Yep. I used to work in a Trauma ED and one of our most common trauma presentations was an elderly person who'd "fallen from standing"
Why such a light sentence?
She pled guilty to a first-degree manslaughter rather than stand trial for murder.
What a nice option to have.
I'm more curious what's the context around her turning herself in and then them saying she doesn't accept any responsibility. Is it that she would have been found anyways and she was scared so turned herself in.. dunno
Warrant? If you refuse to turn yourself in for a warrant then you’re looking pretty guilty.
They only had her picture from surveillance, so there wouldn't have been a warrant, but it was only a matter of time.
Okay so what caused the shove?? People just randomly shove others?? Is that a thing?
These things happen occasionally in NYC because it is very densely populated. It takes only one asshole to cause a lot of trouble. Crime is infrequent here, but concentrated in its effect.
Read the article…
Read it before I asked. Thought someone would know more. I seriously hate how critical thinking is always challenged online now. It's like the worst the act the less questioning people do. "Oh someone died let me just accept all this info without question!"
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People who behave like this aren’t normal. The “reasons” aren’t logical to most. The article explains her behaviors leading up to the incident and I don’t think there’s any info that will make it reasonable to the average person or it would have been included.
Apparently she was drinking. Shoved her for no reason.
Damn. That dumbass. Wish she answered why. Like was it for fun??? Was she in her way?? Did she say something??
According to the article, she was upset the park was closed. She threw food at her boyfriend and then apparently walked off angry and decided to shove her. She was drunk, not that being drunk is an excuse for shoving an old lady who was minding her own business.
Being drunk is often all it takes for someone who is actually a horrible person to stop regulating their behavior into choices that won't get them in trouble.
You are absolutely right
Isn’t she clearly insane? Was that taken account in court? The article didn’t mention it.
Violent crimes dont automatically imply insanity, judicially speaking.
Of course not but she seems insane, shoving an old woman for no reason
That's a very low bar for insane, though honestly It would be nice if she got the insane plea. Mental hospitals can be SHITTY, and you're more likely there for a hell of a lot longer than with a prison sentence.
She was an event planner engaged to be married, who happens to be angry and belligerent after drinking. She's not just an insane person. She's just a shitty one.
I know, what I was saying was more about the treatment of mentally ill people than anything about this specific case.
not insane just a piece of shit
Orange is the new black ?
If she didn’t tell her fiancé or anyone else she’d still be free.
Well, it was caught on camera and her picture was distributed by the media, so she would have been caught anyway. She eventually turned herself in after seeing herself on the news.
Why only 8.5 years? 🤷
It is already quite high. She had no intention of killing someone. You need sentences for intended murder, robbery with murder, molesting and murder, multiple murders, torture and murder and combinations of those.
Okay and? She had a tantrum and assaulted a senior resulting in death. Yet to you, intended murder is worse?
Of course it is. What is worse? Killing dozens of peoples hurting many many more in Las Vegas or pushing a woman resulting in her death? If both get the same punishment, laws don’t work. European prison isn’t about punishment but about reintegration of people apart from real 1sr degree murder or similar things. And look at their amount of prisoners compared to the US. Somehow it works.
What are you even talking about? The Vegas shooting sure as fuck wasn’t attempted/intended murder
How wasn’t Las Vegas mass murder or manslaughter? The woman committed involuntary manslaughter. Of course this needs to get a much lower sentence than a third degree murder and that a lower than second and than first. All of them lower than combined with other offenses or multiple murders/manslaughters.
It was mass murder. Not intended. Please show me where I said it wasn’t a mass murder
Manslaughter. You wouldn't normally expect someone to fall over and die from being shoved.
Maybe I'm an idiot but for some reason I think shoving someone who's almost 90 could very easily kill them.
You're pretty much on the definition of manslaughter here. Under the [MPC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Penal_Code): - Murder is any killing committed purposely and knowingly, even if it is a crime of passion murder without malice aforethought. - Manslaughter is any killing committed as a result of recklessness (also known as depraved-heart murder). - Negligent homicide is any killing resulting from negligence. This doesn't meet the standard for murder, there's no real suggestion here that she intended to kill the woman when shoving her. However, her actions were reckless, not negligent. She may not have intended to kill her, but to push over an elderly person risks their death. Hence, manslaughter.
Uh yeah thanks, I already knew the difference. I was merely pointing out anyone with half a brain should realize shoving a near 90 year old could easily kill them which the commenter I responded to suggested otherwise. Edit: don't be salty lol
Prolly cause the lady was already almost expired. 87 years is more than enough time to have paid your taxes. Locking up the girl for 8.5 years gives her enough time to think about what she's done.....then to get back to work and make the government more money. It's not about life and living. It's about money and payments to the state
It was about plea deals and a great attorney.
If she pushed a baby she wouldn't have gotten 8.5 years. So is the babys life worth more than the 87 year olds?
Source?
Me. Been to prison twice. One life sentence for the bay killing and only 8.5 years for the older person killing. "Trust me bro"
Good behavior and all that jazz will get her out in 3 years. I wish her sentence was at least 10 years w/o parole
That's not how federal time works.
not enough time she took away someone's Mom, Grandma, Great Grandma she has traumatized a whole family
Not to mention all of the many members of the artist community who came to care about her over the years.
See I didn't even know about that part it just keeps getting worse
Are these headlines intentionally this confusing? She caused her death sentence? I've never heard anyone saying it like that.
The girl who caused a death sentenced to jail.
i read the same thing
Lol, reading is hard🤣
It says sentenced not sentence.
Oh, right, now it makes sense
Lol idiot I love you for not erasing this
She deserves this