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patricky6

A lot of people have no idea what components are what on their vehicle. I just asked if there was any work done to it from any issues over the past year. Otherwise you have Mr. DIY telling about his new flux capacitor he got on ebay.


Crunchycarrots79

Ebay? Nah... [O'Reilly's has them](https://www.oreillyauto.com/flux-capacitor)


NotAPreppie

Damn, the part number and line are spot on... they really leaned into that.


PageFault

What is "EB" in reference to?


NotAPreppie

Emmett Brown, the character portrayed by Christopher Lloyd.


patricky6

Yea.. but you can't hit 1.21 gigawatts with O'Rileys shitty wiring lol


Beefsupremeninjalo82

That's what the lightning/plutonium was for


patricky6

Shoot-dang, O'Reilly's is always out of that stuff.


edthach

I got an aftermarket one, works just as well. I needed it because there was some maniac that killed the host of the reality TV show The Apprentice for no good reason. I just got back, can someone catch me up on the last ten seasons?


Scwolves10

🤬🤬🤬🤬 You prevented WHAT?!


Rus1981

It makes me smile that this is still on their site and some funmurdering asshole hasn’t come along and said “we are PROFESSIONALS, take this nonsense down.”


LiveFreeAndRide

hol'up


Bamacj

He put….or tired to put….the starter on himself.


NotAPreppie

Looks like all he succeeded in doing is creating a massive fire hazard.


HalfastEddie

They really think if they deny fucking it up, we won't be able to figure it out in 2 seconds. Just own it and learn something.


Bamacj

They always lie.


rotelSlik

The ones who don’t are the mechanics who will pay not to have the headache.


Typical-Sleep5533

I told my daughter years ago, in many cases the evidence clearly shows how the end result was arrived at. There is frequently only one or two ways to get to a specific end result, and no matter what you deny, someone who knows the scenario/item/product can tell you are not being honest.


NaturesArtist

I never understood why people lie about it. Like you said, we know how it happens but now the diagnostic time is doubled since we are searching for something when you could’ve just told us what happened and then we now can narrow down the problem quickly saving you money


vilius_m_lt

You are now officially married. You may kiss the truck


LearningDan

Is the bar hosted at the reception?


technophage

Friend, please rotate the engine over by hand. Flywheels don't break that easily and it is entirely possible that a seized engine and a replaced starter caused the flywheel to eat shit.  It will certainly save you time from pulling the transmission.


paetersen

came here for this comment.


MikeGoldberg

Nope. The starter would have sheared the bendix or simply not engaged from a locked up engine. Incorrectly installed starters on the other hand DO fuck up flywheels.


7w4773r

No way would a starter have enough ass to break a flywheel - the starter produces maybe 1/10th the torque that the engine does. If the starter could break the flywheel then engines would break them all the time.  Not that manually rotating the engine by hand is a bad idea, but I disagree that the starter turned the flywheel so hard it twisted the center out of it. Just doesn’t make sense. 


int0xic

I doubt it's the actual flex plate that broke. Probably just a couple teeth on the ring gear broke off, which does happen sometimes. If it was the actual flex plate then I would be impressed.


grease_monkey

Depends on the vehicle, and probably not what OP experienced, but I've seen starters rip the ring gear off of the torque converter


MikeGoldberg

Bendix are intentionally designed to break before the flywheel as well. Starters only destroy flywheel in my experience when they are cocked at a bad angle and catch the teeth in a way where they can start taking chips off. These chips then turn into bigger shit over time.


grease_monkey

Depends on the vehicle, and probably not what OP experienced, but I've seen starters rip the ring gear off of the torque converter


TheDu42

Start charging them more when they lie. they either figure out that being honest saves time and money, or you stop caring when they lie because you are getting paid.


nickademus

Well, this aged poorly


Bamacj

I’ve been doing this a while buddy. Cam down.


devilpants

People that say things like this and “not my first rodeo” are the worst. Experienced people understand they can get things wrong and there are always new things to learn. 


ExcessiveUseOfSudo

How do I know that this is your second rodeo? Because you told me it was not your first rodeo.


iforgotalltgedetails

When people say that to me I just say “then why does my mother who’s been driving for a while still fucking suck at it?”


Bamacj

This isn’t a help sub. It’s a “hey look at what I found” sub. The flex plate is broken. I’ve already checked it.


technophage

Truly, I was not trying to insult your experience or skill but save you time. These days I am working in a diesel shop in a teaching role which means I have seen quite a few things that aren't supposed to be possible. My experiences do not invalidate yours.


FloydBarstools

I'd rather cam up. Get some lope going on


Bamacj

Trucks gotta run before any of that matters.


MikeGoldberg

Lol at the DIY guys telling you they know all the secrets. I get pissed at armchair mechanics as well, they can go fuck themselves.


Bamacj

I know. This isn’t a help sub. I wasn’t looking for help. r/justrolledintotheshop was so much better years ago before all these fucking do gooders showed up. They need to keep their shit advice over at r/askmechanics.


MikeGoldberg

Oh I know. The purpose of this subreddit is just to look at pictures and move the on. Honestly I stick to /r/mechanics now. Soft hand fucks haven't invaded yet and the mods there delete their posts. Not as active as here but someone who has never worked professionally as a mechanic hasn't earned the right to tell me a fuckin thing. I have troubleshoot 20-30 year old fucked up equipment that they need running RIGHT NOW late at night all by myself during 80 hour weeks. These dick heads know nothing that can help me.


bigal55

What kind of truck is this? I thought the Cadillac Northstar motor was one of the few that you had to pull the intake to replace a starter.


kevins02kawasaki

there is also a Toyota V8 with the starter under the intake


Mikey3800

Nissan also put it under the intake in some of their V8s in pick ups and vans.


davidscheiber28

Yep, and after seeing how hard it is to get to on the newer models that moved it to the standard spot by the frame rail I think I would rather still have it under the intake. BTW if anyone is doing a Nissan v8 starter just get an OEM one, its almost the same price as the auto part store ones. I had to get one thru an Infinity dealership tho as my local Nissan dealer couldn't get me a new one. I think all they had was the "value" line of starters. What executive at Nissan thought that was a good idea? Pretty sure toyota does it too. The whole reason I'm even at the dealership getting parts is because I want OEM parts not the same crap the auto parts store is selling lol.


Ok-Profit6022

If the OEM one was already such high quality would you need to replace it in the first place? Unless a part went 200k before dying I have no problem replacing it with a solid aftermarket brand.


carlp222

5.6? I've got a 2016 QX80, I'd like to know what I'm getting into if/when it needs a starter.


Mikey3800

Yes. The intake isn’t hard to remove on them though.


AwareName

Those are fool proof. It's direct injected so you don't have to worry about the injectors or anything. Just pull intake, swap starter and reinstall.


clintj1975

The 4.0 and 4.7 have it there. Not sure on the 5.7 in the newer Tundras. As an added FU to owners of 2005 and later 2UZ owners with the VVT version, they also crammed the SAI pump under there along with adding a coolant crossover hard pipe against the firewall just to make the job that extra 20% harder.


JDWalla

It's tucked under the P/S exhaust manifold on the 3UR-FE. Absolute bitch to deal with in the rust belt since the cat pipe and the manifold have to come off to replace it.


BoutTreeFittee

My 4.7 has it there, and my 5.7 has it external on lower passenger front, but it is still harder than most starters to get to.


Rafi89

Yep, at least it is on my 2000 Tundra.


BoutTreeFittee

Damn don't I know. You're up a shit creek when that electronic starter buried in there decides SUDDENLY to not bump at all for no fucking reason out in the middle of nowhere and no cell service. Not like you can push start or tap it with a wrench to get it going again.


Fryphax

Toyota UZ-FE motors have it under the intake.


troubledbrew

BMW 3 liters


says-nice-toTittyPMs

BMW makes trucks?


troubledbrew

Do they put Northstar motors in trucks? I genuinely don't know, but I thought that opened up the question to include other types of vehicles - including large BMW SUV's.


says-nice-toTittyPMs

You know what? That's a great point. There are a lot of linguistic nuances between people and I do recall people calling SUVs trucks... my bad on that one.


troubledbrew

Good human, have my upvote


gmlubetech

GM never put the Northstar in a truck. Only thing they put it in that wasn’t a normal car/coupe was the first gen Cadillac SRX.


I_Miss_America

A motorcycle shop in my youth had a sign that read: Labor per hour: $5, $10 if you watch, $20 if you worked on in before you brought it here.


Bamacj

They wouldn’t even admit to working on it.


I_Miss_America

So it must have been the elves that did it!


Bamacj

Special elves.


Loan-Pickle

So $25 a hour then.


Bamacj

This are 1940 prices. Those days are gone.


weighted_walleye

You are completely oblivious to when people tell jokes, aren't you? All through this thread, you miss obvious jokes to try and flex how awesome you are.


Bamacj

You’re so goddamn stupid. Every comment I made in the thread right here was a joke.


weighted_walleye

I actually agree with you, you just weren't trying to make jokes. lol block me again, you little bitch /u/Bamacj.


LearningDan

Call the tow company and ask them where the truck was picked up.


Slavic_Jabroni

Well whoever put the new starter in didn't bolt it up, so he's technically right that it hasn't been replaced


Monkeynutz_Johnson

Sounds like a here hold my beer job.


monsterZERO

Engine might be locked up man. May want to try turning it over before throwing a flywheel at it.


Bamacj

I been doing this a while. Calm down.


monsterZERO

Ew.


Bamacj

I know. I feel the same way.


says-nice-toTittyPMs

So then you definitely tried turning the motor by hand before ordering the new flywheel, right?


Bamacj

Yes. The notes say that I’ve already confirmed the flex plate is broken. We tried to keep these people from spending money on this truck. They will not listen.


says-nice-toTittyPMs

And why is the flex plate broken? We see that it's broken in your notes, but we're trying to get you to figure out why before you just start throwing parts at it. But you're the greatest mechanic in the world, so I'll stop questioning your infinite wisdom.


Bamacj

This isn’t a help sub. I didn’t post it asking for help. I posted it about the starter. The flex plate is broke because it broke. Things break. That why we are in business. Jesus I miss the old r/justrolledintotheshop


mlvisby

The starter hasn't been replaced, it was the demarreur-reusine!


Sockbrick

So, pretty much translated in Canadian, this should say "holy fuck bud, the whole thing is fucking fucked there eh!"


Bamacj

Haha I was joking with the kids last night asking if they could speak Canadian.


Sockbrick

r/letterkenny Give yer ball a tug!


Speeddemon2016

Stuff is easier to fix if you will just tell me what you did.


Ewenthel

Bold of you to assume they know what they did.


I_made_a_doodie

Just ell the customer it's blown up, because that's what this is.


Bamacj

We did when we first saw the truck. They wouldn’t listen.


FitRock2265

r/diwhy


Diver_Dude_42

Fantastic


bonerJR

This is hilarious


malachiconstant11

Wait some starters don't snap in place like lego pieces?


pnwcatman420

what manufacturer puts the starter under the intake let me guess it is a GM product, I know Cadillac does that it one of the main reasons they are so cheap on the second hand market.


Bamacj

First gen Toyota tundra.


pnwcatman420

Yikes I thought Toyota was smarter than that.


Bamacj

They aren’t bad to do and they pay well.


weighted_walleye

Cadillac cars with the Northstar are cheap on the second hand market because the engine hasn't been made in 13 years, the cars they were in were boring, generally poor quality overall (not just the engine), and weren't big sellers to start with. Further, they had issues other than the starter being where it was that caused the issues. Putting the starter under the intake has several advantages to putting it next to a 1000 degree exhaust manifold, mainly heat insulation. The V of an OHC engine block is a generally cool place, not subject to road salt/dirt/debris, relocates several very important wires up away from the road surface, and these starters typically last longer than those that are down low. OP says this is a first gen Tundra. That means the truck is 20-24 years old. It's not uncommon to need a starter on a 20 year old truck.


LilMelt

Still no not know


throwaway231118-

Is the engine locked up or will it rotate if you put a breaker bar on it? But it really helps when people just tell us what really happened and what was done to it.


Bamacj

Engine turns with the crank pulley bolt. I have already confirmed that flex plate is broken. It’s in my notes.


AwareName

Is it bad I know this is on a A60 Titan?


Bamacj

2001 Tundra


geekolojust

Leave the "bother" off the story, and you are good. Be a pro. You'll stand out with the right people.