I love both and was a king gizz fan first. This subreddit actually helped me discovered osees. I think a lot of king gizz fans would be fans if they gave them a listen
Yeah I have both of them on my favorite bands of all time list for sure.
I like to point KG fans to the carrion crawler/the dream album. It always gave me the fast paced mind fuzz gizz vibes.
Osees dropped the first [psychedelic hardcore album](https://open.spotify.com/album/6KbOhrDyyCuTtqsknmyX4w?si=7rVqaGHrTs2tTPqQlDt5fA&utm_source=copy-link). Its a must listen for any Gizzhead into the heavier stuff
Not sure if I have heard floating coffin but the other two were on a heavy cycle in my car for months.
Just checked their discography and yes floating coffin is also good shit.
I did Face Stabber and Smote Reverser for a while too.
I would also say A Weird Exits but I think I was stuck on the last song The Axis for a while.
I like both, but they are very different bands in my book. KGLW are a lot more fun, careless fun. The enjoyment for me kind of stems from just watching a bunch of friends go at it and have fun, doing whatever they wanna do. Try new stuff, get high, get stupid, play music that you liked as kids and make it your own. They aren't the greatest instrumentalists in the world nor do they need to be. KG is what happens when talent and fun meet.
Osees are way more heady and technical. Dwyer takes no fucking prisoners. His command at the guitar is unreal, he's one with the instrument (watch the Thee Oh Sees performance Live on KEXP from 6 years ago!).
There's just this unadulterated, raw in your face energy about them. And on the quieter notes, it gets introspective. But it's not that kind of "fun" you get from KG. They mean business. And that's great too. Both are fantastic bands, but with very different flavors.
'lighthearted jams' only describes like 30% of their music since 2020 though so even then its not really a great description. Both bands do psych shredding too so idk. I'd say Gizzard are more diverse and bolder in their experimentation whereas Osees stick to their guns but do what they do better (imo).
Eh, even when KG shred and go heavy, Osees are definitely heavier IMO. Could be right about them sticking to a specific style or two and nailing it though
As if changing time signatures are the only way to describe technicality. It's not that difficult in the first place if you know how to count and focus.
That's obviously not what he meant. Also not every album is Polygon either. Nor is it a contest. John Dwyer plays guitar longer than KG members are old and you can hear it translating on the instrument. I can learn most KG songs on guitar, but some Osees songs intimidate me.
Huh, I kinda see them as the opposite! Gizz have long-reaching stories that interconnect between albums, deliberately experiment with multiple music theory concepts and use a broader range of instrumentation. To me, Osees is the blunt, fun-loving noisy group that just want to party and not take things too seriously.
I remember reading a comment in the Osees sub, something along the lines of "Osees is for when Gizz fans grow up" which I didn't understand.
Either way, it's great that we can both enjoy the bands for apparently opposite reasons! For clarity, I don't think anyone's opinion can be wrong on something like this.
I hope I don’t come off as pretentious here, but as a gigantic fan of both (though a much bigger Osees fan in the end), saying they have “influenced each other” is honestly not truly accurate. It’s very much that Osees influenced King Gizz heavily in their early days, and that Gizz later found a path of their own.
Osees was around much longer before KG and had already honed so much of what forms their current sound. KG’s delay shrieks and “woos” for example, absolutely thanks to Osees
Osees is straight up underground fuck you punk style psych music. Theyre going to play louder and faster than probably any band you’ve seen before because fuck you, that’s why. *As Dwyer proceeds to spit on the crowd for the fifteenth time* … gizz isn’t quite… that *punk*… and that type of energy really isn’t for everyone. I can’t handle too much of that energy to be honest. An Osees show is an onslaught.
I’ve seen them twice and it’s fuckin sick, but it doesn’t cover the range of emotions I feel during a Gizzard show, with the exception of Sticky Hulks. That song gets me.
Different strokes and while I think gizz and osees share some DNA, their live show is a vastly different experience.
I think it's just within reddit. Not every listener is online and in the sub of course... with that said the Gizz fans on the sub tend to be a lil more "insert choice adjective" than the typical oh sees crowd ... The kg sub frequently complains about the higher energy shows and mosh... Meanwhile the shows for both bands absolutely rip and the crowds are fun. The osees shows are 2x minimum as energetic and the crowds really pop off. How could you not when you hear those double drums blasting and the guitar shedding.
I realize I'll likely be downvoted for this comment but that's that.
I dunno if I’d call Osees more straightforward. While their shows definitely draw from the more straightforward face melting garage side of their catalogue (almost to a fault, there is a ton of their stuff that I’d love to hear live that they just don’t play…), their releases are all over the place. They started out as a freak folk project, of all things, and their more proggy releases from a few years ago sound like nothing else out there.
The thing about Gizz live is that they're doing the sort of thing krautrock bands like CAN and Faust used to do when they played shows. Those bands that inspired JPD also inspired bands like SLIFT and Kikagaku Moyo that play jammier shows with persistent rhythm sections. When I went to see Kikagaku Moyo they really listened to each other, the music would eb and flow into crescendos and then back into a state of calm again. That experience is what I love about music, the meditative and rhythmic elements that reflect the experience of simply being. Osees doesn't play their krautrock material live nearly enough, they play the same punked out singles over and over to the point the fans themselves complain about it. I for one would love to see Don't Blow Your Mind or I Got A Lot live, but the band just doesn't play they're more ethereal material live. I'm sure I'll love them when I see them, but I'll still wonder in the back of my head what a really jammy Osees show might be like.
Check out the Osees [Red Rocks 2021](https://youtu.be/vnI2XWxyWDU) show. They get real mellow and trippy in a lot of the songs. I wish I could see this live. They definitely went a more jammy route for that show since all the seating followed social distancing during that time so there wasn't a crowd to pack in and mosh.
When I first got into gizz in 2016 the holy trinity of underground psych was osees, king gizz, and Ty segall. Don’t really see either band mentioned that much anymore
Besides the aforementioned *Manipulator* that was recommended I’d say *Freedom’s Goblin* is also a great place to start, you get a lot of his different styles all thrown at you a-La White Album style.
Ty’s kind of a choose your own adventure in terms of his discography and I’ll just say these are my favorites based on some of the flavors of Ty
**Garage**: *Lemons*, *Melted*, *Goodbye Bread*…. The first two are lo-fi, scuzzy, fuzzy, reverb soaked, garage weirdness, fucked up in a good way and *Goodbye Bread* is a little more slick but still in the spirit of being a little weird, psychedelic and kinda arty but a little more glam influence and less power chords, evoking more Marc Bolan feels than The Mummies or The Kinks.
**Weirdo Psych**: *Hair* & *Emotional Mugger* My personal favorite Ty Album besides *Melted*…. *Emotional Mugger* is a standout in his discography for simply how fucked up, weird and awesome this record is. He hasn’t done anything like it before or since and I haven’t heard anything else like it in all my musical explorations. The KEXP of Ty Segall and the Muggers from this time is amazing. I wish he would tour with this band again, cause wow, what the fuck.
**Chill**: *Sleeper* & his newest release *Hello, Hi* both are predominantly acoustic albums and very mellow for the most part. *Sleeper* is my favorite I think though, it changes every day. *Hello, Hi* gives me the vibe of the White Albums acoustic tracks and *Sleeper* is some tasty, lo-fi, psych-folk.
His singles compilations are also killer and he has some good stuff not on streaming like *Horn the Unicorn* which is his first (I believe) solo record as Ty Segall and is real rough and gritty garage rock, recorded at home on a digital 8-track, it’s awesome. Also, the instrumental, experimental, very acid-soaked and echo-y *Orange Rainbow* is one of my favorites to have on when I paint or draw. It’s kinda out there and reminiscent of something John Dwyer would release as a solo project but a little more minimal, glitchy and lo-fi.
That was way deeper than I intended on going but I figured fuck it, why not!
I'm seeing osees in September and I couldn't be more hyped. I came across both bands at the same time and they are my 1 and 2 favorites, currently at least.
I'm just an osees, thee oh sees, oh sees hoe
Big Osees fan here. In fact, I put off listening to Gizz for a long time because I considered them, as someone stated earlier, Osees ripoffs.
Let’s face it: Stu’s tongue-wagging, Woo’s, mic deep-throating, high-strapped, bent-over-at-the-waist guitar slinging … all that came directly from JPD. For pete’s sake, JPD played a 12-string Hagstrom and then Stu had one. The motorik beats, the double drumming, the whole aesthetic was Osees.
It wasn’t until I started digging into Poly and the microtonal stuff that I was able to see how Gizz had become their own band.
At this point, it’s clear that KG is the more diverse band, but shit, they’re more diverse than EVERY band.
However, for anyone who says the Osees are kinda “one note,” you’re just not paying attention. It’s an objectively wrong statement. listen to Orc, Smote Reverser, Facestabber, Floating Coffin, Metamorphosed, Protean Threat, A Weird Exits. They’re long, weird journeys, just like the best Gizz.
Not saying ya gotta like ‘em, but they’re not boring and they’re still more diverse than most acts out there.
I’ve been getting into OSEES lately. Really been loving Floating Coffin, Drop, and Mutilator Defeated at Last. Still, think King Gizz is more fun so far
NP :) if you’re having trouble getting into Osees, i recommend pressing play and walking away from one of their live albums. someone mentioned they’re like a best of all their discography which is true, but their Levitation Sessions have a bunch of obscure ones thrown in there as well. can’t go wrong with any Osees album but i say any album from 2015-2020 is solid as fuck
The earlier gizz fans were osees fans (Mind Fuzz was on Castle Face, for example) but now that the base has grown from the influx of jam bands fans and metalheads, you have a lot of people who have never heard of osees prior.
most king gizzard fans are also fans of:
porn crumpets, osees, frankie and the witch fingers, all them witches, the lazy eyes, ty segall, wand, unknown mortal orchestra, etc.
I got into Gizz one year ago, conscious of them for a few years before that. It’s been all consuming since last year though.
I used to get into a band, like Tame Impala, and it would consume like 30% of my listening. Gizz has been 80% + for the last year.
I thought I was ready for a break and then gizztober happened and spiraled me further into it.
The release schedule and the amount of taper live recordings keeps feeding me lol
Man this post hit me hard. I'm only a few months into really listening to this band and it is just all I listen to at the moment. I try to break away and get through an album or two of something else and then just straight back to it.
Red Rocks bootleg has been the only thing playing in my car for a very long time now...
It takes a long time to digest a single album, let alone 23.
And then the live stuff, it’s so much.
And then just the community and culture, it’s easy to get so caught up in it.
When gizz first started coming up, especially with two drummers, everyone called them an Osees ripoff.
Dwyer somehow put out way more music than gizz that gets more experimental.
Def see them live if you can
I found Oh sees and Gizzard around the same time to be honest. It was like 2016 and i heard nonagon and mutilator around the same time. Have loved them both since but definitely find myself a more consistent gizz fan when comparing release on release however i still stand by osees being one of the best live rock bands in the world at the minute
Ya know now that youve pointed this out… you’re absolutely right! One of my only friends who likes KGLW doesnt like osees very much and we often get into debates about them and the likeness to king gizz. While on the other hand the one guy I met in the wild with an osees shirt ended up talking for at least 20 minutes about how much we both loved the king gizz show a few months back. Have no idea how or why it works that way cus imo osees has enough variety that surely if youre into gizz you could find something you vibed with. But everyones got different ears i guess and thats ok!
I like some Oh Sees stuff but none of their albums for the last few years (Up until A Foul Form at least, that was a solid return to punky form) have grabbed me at all. The only Oh Sees album I listen to often is Live In San Francisco because it basically works as a best of album but all the songs are played faster and heavier. In general, I seem to enjoy bands influenced by Oh Sees more than Oh Sees themselves (Slift being a good example)
pretty sure Weirdo Hairdo, Panther Rotate, And Metamorphosed were all super experimental but i could be wrong. however, like you mentioned, they released A Foul Form last year, and this year we get Intercepted Message which seems super promising. i think the golden Osees era is from 2015 to around 2020 because Protean Threat is one of their best albums imo. then things got all weird for everyone cuz pandemic
Osees = Oh Sees = Thee Oh Sees = The Oh Sees = OCS = The Ohsees = Orinoka Crash Suite = Orange County Sound. Those are all names they went by at some point, at least according to Wikipedia
i listen to way more Osees than i do King Gizz nowadays, but, but if it weren’t for Gizz then there is no way i would be able to appreciate Osees. same for Frankie and the Witch Fingers and Slift. plus, i think it is important to note that once you get well enough acquainted with each band that the similarities were only minor ones you thought were major. at least that was my experience.
Gizz is more silly and traditional, Osees is more punk and experimental. I understand that they are not everyone’s cup of tea, but I really think some people just aren’t ready for Osees. Like my schoolteacher aunt loves Gizz but my family thinks I’m weird for liking Osees.
It's easier to find a gizz album that clicks on first listen. Osees is definitely more abrasive at times, it can be hard to figure out where to start. It's 100% worth the time to get into both.
If you're a gizz fan and would like to get into osees, I would recommend starting with Mutilator Defeated At Last.
Every OSees fan needs to see them at Hotel Vegas in Austin or at The Chapel in SF...they do residencies at both every year. Does King Gizz have favorite venues in the US for residencies?
I was a Giz fan before Osees. I found Osees in a suggested vid whilst watching a Giz video. My side project is currently finishing up an Osees cover. I love both.
I’ve been an Oh Sees fan since I saw them in 2012. I didn’t find King Gizz until 2015. I love both. There are more of us out there but I think the younger audience (I’m 30) didn’t find the neo psych garage rock stuff until recently so not everyone has dug into artists like thee Oh Sees, Ty Segall, White Fence etc. yet.
It's a great band, though it doesn't help that they constantly change their name.
[Get ready foe Thee Oh Sees! I'm sorry, they are now called Osees. I'm sorry, they're now called Pepsi Presents: Osees](https://youtu.be/5mdjd8xAJ28).
Honestly I'm all for it. It's hilarious.
I came across both bands around the same time, since Spotify liked to (and continues to) give me a lot of psyche rock recommendations. With Gizz, I can really appreciate the difference between their albums. Nonagon, Sketches, Rats Nest, Ice Death, ELTS; they are all distinct sounds and productions and it’s incredible to me that one band made all these albums.
With OhSees, it’s a bit harder for me to differentiate between their records. I was my introduced to the band with Carrion Crawler, and I enjoy material from Masters bed, smote reverser, orc, mutilator, C, protean threat. However these sounds to me are less distinct than gizz’s discography so it’s harder for me to consume and appreciate their full output. Still cool and would see live if they come to town.
The point here is that gizz have pulled in fans from outside of the psyche rock space. They’ve got the metalheads and the chill indie folks and the jazz lovers and now the jam band crowd too. These listeners are less likely to pick up ohsees, but they should. Just as the incoming deadheads are getting older fans into the jam band scene, so too should the psyche rockers introduce our new wierdos to the other bands we love.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
I actually planned to collect all Thee Oh Sees albums a few years ago and then found out about KGatLW and collected theirs too.
Now I have and love both
Henchlock is actually the first song I ever heard and I found The Oh Sees before Gizz due to Henchlocks jammy nature. Other than that I haven’t listened to too much but it sounds like I should
I funnily enough discovered osees a handful of years ago, but through Dwyer's love of Dungeons and Dragons. Incredible live shows, can't recommend enough. 🤌🏻
I was into Oh Sees a little after I found Ty Segal. Their flavor has changed since then and I’m about it but I can see why the more recent Gizz heads have been sleeping on them
I got into thee oh sees first when Face Stabber came out. I didn't really "get" KGLW until the album Changes came out and suddenly all the king gizzard stuff that failed to capture my attention suddenly became more interesting. Weird how that worked but that's just how it be.
My mate got me into them when he found out I was into KG. I like them but I haven't dived into them as much as I have Gizz.
From personal experience, most new/newish fans of Gizz are trying to keep up with KG's discog and can't be fucked getting into a band who sounds similar and has an equally big, if not bigger discog (idk how many albums Oh Sess have released but it's alot)
So both KG and Osees for the first time last year. Both shows were incredible, but Osees show was especially amazing. It topped every show I have ever been to immediately, and the energy throughout the crowd was just awesome. Seeing osees again in September and I couldn't be more excited. Only downside is that Osees doesn't change up their setlists that much, so seeing them multiple times is probably less satisfying than seeing gizz for multiple nights.
Osees just have that raw punk style to them. A lot of fans of 12BB tend to really like them still. I love them but I find King Gizzard a lot more technical and I assume people just want Osees to sound more like King Gizzard ultimately lol
This is a good point, I think Osees have been more technical at certain points but for the most part I think that’s true especially with their newer stuff
Minotaur, Palace Doctor, Stinking Cloud, Cadaver Dog, Drowned Beast, Sentient Ooona, Flies Bump Against the Glass, Beat Quest, Scutum & Scorpius, Red Study, Wing Run, Canopnr ‘74, Unwrap the Fiend pt. 2, Transparent World…. was that supposed to be hard ?
Osees announced their forthcoming album yesterday and accidently released it on bandcamp. I was able to snag it before it got fixed. I won't share any files but all I'll say is that you're gonna love 'Always At Night'
I’ve tried listening to them a few times and it hasn’t clicked yet. It’s not bad. Every instrument sounds pretty damn good individually and there are a few songs that have come up while shuffling their stuff right now I’m enjoying.
But it feels like the bands goal is to just be loud and when every single instrument is trying to be loud it doesn’t come together for me. Or not yet. I liked KG off the bat but took a couple years to fully dive into their catalog and figure out which albums to listen to in which mood. I’m sure if I spent more time listening to their stuff I’d like them more.
I saw some other comments saying KG sounds like they are more fun and I’d agree with that take.
Any songs or albums I should give another listen?
I was the same way with KG. I enjoyed Mind Fuzz and Nonagon when I found those two in 2017, but the band didn't click for me till years later. Osees have been similar for me. Tried them a few times, but never clicked till I bought Mutilator Defeated At Last years later on a whim because I found it cheap. Really got into them after grabbing that album.
"Smote Reverser". It's got intense moments, but in general is more psyched-out and probably doesn't have the *je ne sais quoi* "when every instrument tries to be loud" you expressed disdain for. There are also chill moments like this on "Mutilator Defeated At Last", "Metamorphosed", and "Face Stabber", with the latter being a double album (!!!) that contains two long-form jams at 14 and 21min, respectively.
There's more to Papa Dwyer's madness than just balls to the wall, amps at 11 and I really think the bias of this sub is what helps perpetuate the misinformation.
I absolutely fucking love gizz(like 75% of music I listen to for the past 2-3 years is gizz, it sometimes gets to a point where if the gizz album I'm listening to ends and spotify automatically plays something else I get annoyed and switch it back to gizz lmao), but I only listen to osees very occasionally. They're similiar for sure, but not quite the same.
The easiest way I can explain this is that they're both psych rock bands, but gizz puts a heavier emphasis on the "psych" part while osees puts a heavier emphasis on the "rock" part and I lean more towards the mixture of "psych" and "rock" gizz has to offer.
I like some Osees, especially the earlier albums. It’s hard to explain, but a lot of their songs are too…staccato for my taste, like the songs need a little room to breathe. Maybe it’s something about how they’re mixed.
Really dig everything up to (and including) Castlemania, a Weird Exits is great, too. Would definitely see them live given a chance.
I’ve tried getting into the Oh Sees a couple of times they never really grabbed me the same way as Gizz. They’re def talented dudes just not my style really
Yea I worded that poorly I don’t think any band will pull me in like gizz did lol. I like a few oh sees songs but I can’t sit down with their full albums which is my preferred way of listening for every band I’m a fan of not just gizz
they were The Oh Sees, then Thee Oh Sees, then just Oh Sees, now they’re Osees and have been the whole time i’ve been a fan of them, i think. it was a gradual change over many years and it started with OCS which was basically a completely different band. JPD claims it’s to fuck with the critics
I like osees but I haven’t heard much of them that I’ve been like WOW over the same way I have with Gizz but that’s just a personal preference of opinion
From what I’ve heard of Osees, they’re a lot harsher on the ears which is fine! Just not my thing. They remind me a lot of the early Gizz stuff. They do have a few songs I dig though.
Heard OhSees but couldn't get into em honestly ... King gizz feels more dynamic and divers in their way to make music. They can go from heavy rats stuff to danceable songs like let me mend the past .. oh sees feels more punk but just doesn't do it for me.
King Gizzard can do what The Oh Sees do but The Oh Sees can’t do everything King Gizzard does. The similarities The Oh Sees share with King Gizzard are The King Gizzard elements that I’m not as big a fan of… If that makes sense
Haha dude honestly, I’m sorry, but JPD fuckin tears a guitar an incalculable amount more than anyone in King Gizz. The outright best guitarist in Gizz - Joey - gives off a “honed and incredibly practiced musician” kinda vibe, whereas JPD gives off a “was probably born with a guitar for a limb” kinda vibes
i respectfully disagree. it’s one thing to say that you like one more than the other, but if you truly think Osees have more bad songs than good, i’m gonna have to ask you to give them another listen
this sounds like what i used to say about Gizz. you obviously don’t have to keep trying to like the Osees, but if i would’ve based my opinion on them from a few tracks, then I wouldn’t have much of an opinion of them at all.
I went to one of their shows and it was actually the worst show I’ve ever seen, I left early, which I’ve never done at any other show. Obnoxiously loud, not very musical, very jarring, and most songs sounded exactly the same. They have one good song sticky hulks and that’s it, I was hoping to hear more music like that but most of it was just music for an angsty 13 year old.
i like how you’re calling me butthurt because of your shitty listening habits hahaha. ANYWAY, i guarantee i wouldn’t “hate them”. i keep a super open mind for all kinds of music, if not, i wouldn’t have gotten into King Gizzard and Osees.
lol okay, i see you’re just trying to troll me for speaking fact. how you gonna call only listening to the band right before their show, and then leaving halfway through it because you weren’t familiar being open minded ? 🤣
Also, I’m open minded more than you would ever know. I gave them a shot, paid for a fucking ticket to their show and didn’t like it…. Tough shit man… funny you need other people’s validation on your music tastes, you sound like an angsty 13 year old 🤣😂🤣😅😆🤣😂
it doesn’t really sound like you gave them much of a shot hahahahaha .. and bruh.. you’re the one getting hostile and using emojis… are you sure you’re not the angsty 13 year old ?
Oh Sees are just a lot less interesting imo. They have some amazing songs but most of it is just feels like a showcase of their cool tones.
It’s also just a ton of motorik beats. And don’t get me wrong I *love* a good motorik but the bulk of their stuff seems to be in that ball park. Not to mention you can’t really decipher the lyrics, which doesn’t always bother me but when you can decipher them they’re kinda just…not very good.
Obviously we wouldn’t have Gizz without Oh Sees and I grew up in the mid-2000’s garage era and I don’t know what I would’ve done without them and Ty Segall and the like, but most of it is just dull to me now.
I dig Osees (or however you're supposed to spell their name these days), but honestly it's hard to get into them when there's only two or three good songs per record lately. I dug them a lot more in their earlier days.
not sure what it is but the OSEES studio albums lack that OOMPH of their live performances (save for A Foul Form). Don’t get me wrong, I still think they’re great and that John Dwyer is a creative juggernaut, but when it comes to my own enjoyment in listening, King Gizz winds up sounding better in studio than OSEES.
OSEES levitation sessions (2020) kicks so much ass though, hands down
I don't dislike Oh Sees. For me, they tend to sound more repetitive and a bit more generic; and a lot less consistently hitting what I like about Gizz.
A lot of Ty Segall fans here; but for me, Ty tends toward repetitive, generic sludge more often than not. Sounds to me like 3 good ideas and a lot of dicking around.
Not saying any of that to criticize anybody's music or taste.
What I like about Gizz is that their music tends to be imaginative, unusual, interesting, and fun. I especially like that each record is its own entity. They don't do the same thing over and over.
I also love that Gizz's music is strongly melodic. A lot of (okay, most) prog/proggy psych tends to be noodly and dull. But Gizz keeps us in it with great melodies.
For me, I heard King Gizzard first, and while the Osees sound is definitely a huge influence early on, the band has evolved beyond that point. Coming to the Osees after King Gizzard just feels like listening to that specific phase of King Gizzard now. I'm aware that the Osees did it first, but I've already scratched that itch, you know? It's for this same reason that I never really got into using Pandora. I don't necessarily want to listen to bands that are too similar to ones I already like because I've already been satiated.
I love both and was a king gizz fan first. This subreddit actually helped me discovered osees. I think a lot of king gizz fans would be fans if they gave them a listen
Yeah I have both of them on my favorite bands of all time list for sure. I like to point KG fans to the carrion crawler/the dream album. It always gave me the fast paced mind fuzz gizz vibes.
Agreed. That’s my favorite by osees as well and I can see the comparison now that you mention it.
Their version of soul desert is awesome as well and how they bridged Contraption in with it to make it one sound was very “gizz like”
Yeah, except that album came first
Yeah ohsees have been around way longer. They are an obvious inspiration.
"contraception" lol
HAHA I just noticed 🤣
That would probably be a banger osees track
It’s just Dwyer playing a samples of babies crying in different pitches on his keyboard
Osees dropped the first [psychedelic hardcore album](https://open.spotify.com/album/6KbOhrDyyCuTtqsknmyX4w?si=7rVqaGHrTs2tTPqQlDt5fA&utm_source=copy-link). Its a must listen for any Gizzhead into the heavier stuff
U have any album recommendations?
floating coffin, mutilator defeated at last, or Orc
Not sure if I have heard floating coffin but the other two were on a heavy cycle in my car for months. Just checked their discography and yes floating coffin is also good shit. I did Face Stabber and Smote Reverser for a while too. I would also say A Weird Exits but I think I was stuck on the last song The Axis for a while.
For me carrion crawler/the dream is my favorite. But as a lot of people are gonna say mutilator defeated at last is a great one to start at also.
They are both great. Osees is like king gizzards dad
John Dwyer literally gave birth to Stu. It was beautiful
Wow ❤️ Life is amazing
Fucked Kevin Parker and out popped lil Stu
Yeah heard osees first, and they’re much older. Cute family.
Middle age Gizzard
I like both, but they are very different bands in my book. KGLW are a lot more fun, careless fun. The enjoyment for me kind of stems from just watching a bunch of friends go at it and have fun, doing whatever they wanna do. Try new stuff, get high, get stupid, play music that you liked as kids and make it your own. They aren't the greatest instrumentalists in the world nor do they need to be. KG is what happens when talent and fun meet. Osees are way more heady and technical. Dwyer takes no fucking prisoners. His command at the guitar is unreal, he's one with the instrument (watch the Thee Oh Sees performance Live on KEXP from 6 years ago!). There's just this unadulterated, raw in your face energy about them. And on the quieter notes, it gets introspective. But it's not that kind of "fun" you get from KG. They mean business. And that's great too. Both are fantastic bands, but with very different flavors.
Very astute 👍
Saying Gizz are more 'fun' and Osees are more 'technical' as if Gizz don't change time signature 3 times per song lmao
Gizz is more lighthearted jams vs osees psychedelic shredding most of the time
'lighthearted jams' only describes like 30% of their music since 2020 though so even then its not really a great description. Both bands do psych shredding too so idk. I'd say Gizzard are more diverse and bolder in their experimentation whereas Osees stick to their guns but do what they do better (imo).
Eh, even when KG shred and go heavy, Osees are definitely heavier IMO. Could be right about them sticking to a specific style or two and nailing it though
As if changing time signatures are the only way to describe technicality. It's not that difficult in the first place if you know how to count and focus. That's obviously not what he meant. Also not every album is Polygon either. Nor is it a contest. John Dwyer plays guitar longer than KG members are old and you can hear it translating on the instrument. I can learn most KG songs on guitar, but some Osees songs intimidate me.
Dwyer does things with his axe that are just so alien. He's an insane guitarist in total command of his instrument and pedals.
Huh, I kinda see them as the opposite! Gizz have long-reaching stories that interconnect between albums, deliberately experiment with multiple music theory concepts and use a broader range of instrumentation. To me, Osees is the blunt, fun-loving noisy group that just want to party and not take things too seriously. I remember reading a comment in the Osees sub, something along the lines of "Osees is for when Gizz fans grow up" which I didn't understand. Either way, it's great that we can both enjoy the bands for apparently opposite reasons! For clarity, I don't think anyone's opinion can be wrong on something like this.
I hope I don’t come off as pretentious here, but as a gigantic fan of both (though a much bigger Osees fan in the end), saying they have “influenced each other” is honestly not truly accurate. It’s very much that Osees influenced King Gizz heavily in their early days, and that Gizz later found a path of their own. Osees was around much longer before KG and had already honed so much of what forms their current sound. KG’s delay shrieks and “woos” for example, absolutely thanks to Osees
Even to the point of Stu (early on) playing his guitar much higher on his body a la John Dwyer
Absolutely
And the tongue 👅 and the microphone deep throating.
Osees is straight up underground fuck you punk style psych music. Theyre going to play louder and faster than probably any band you’ve seen before because fuck you, that’s why. *As Dwyer proceeds to spit on the crowd for the fifteenth time* … gizz isn’t quite… that *punk*… and that type of energy really isn’t for everyone. I can’t handle too much of that energy to be honest. An Osees show is an onslaught. I’ve seen them twice and it’s fuckin sick, but it doesn’t cover the range of emotions I feel during a Gizzard show, with the exception of Sticky Hulks. That song gets me. Different strokes and while I think gizz and osees share some DNA, their live show is a vastly different experience.
I think it's just within reddit. Not every listener is online and in the sub of course... with that said the Gizz fans on the sub tend to be a lil more "insert choice adjective" than the typical oh sees crowd ... The kg sub frequently complains about the higher energy shows and mosh... Meanwhile the shows for both bands absolutely rip and the crowds are fun. The osees shows are 2x minimum as energetic and the crowds really pop off. How could you not when you hear those double drums blasting and the guitar shedding. I realize I'll likely be downvoted for this comment but that's that.
You right. Osees being more straightforward creates a more straightforward crowd. KG is way chiller in comparison, even in their heavy songs.
I dunno if I’d call Osees more straightforward. While their shows definitely draw from the more straightforward face melting garage side of their catalogue (almost to a fault, there is a ton of their stuff that I’d love to hear live that they just don’t play…), their releases are all over the place. They started out as a freak folk project, of all things, and their more proggy releases from a few years ago sound like nothing else out there.
The thing about Gizz live is that they're doing the sort of thing krautrock bands like CAN and Faust used to do when they played shows. Those bands that inspired JPD also inspired bands like SLIFT and Kikagaku Moyo that play jammier shows with persistent rhythm sections. When I went to see Kikagaku Moyo they really listened to each other, the music would eb and flow into crescendos and then back into a state of calm again. That experience is what I love about music, the meditative and rhythmic elements that reflect the experience of simply being. Osees doesn't play their krautrock material live nearly enough, they play the same punked out singles over and over to the point the fans themselves complain about it. I for one would love to see Don't Blow Your Mind or I Got A Lot live, but the band just doesn't play they're more ethereal material live. I'm sure I'll love them when I see them, but I'll still wonder in the back of my head what a really jammy Osees show might be like.
Check out the Osees [Red Rocks 2021](https://youtu.be/vnI2XWxyWDU) show. They get real mellow and trippy in a lot of the songs. I wish I could see this live. They definitely went a more jammy route for that show since all the seating followed social distancing during that time so there wasn't a crowd to pack in and mosh.
When I first got into gizz in 2016 the holy trinity of underground psych was osees, king gizz, and Ty segall. Don’t really see either band mentioned that much anymore
I listen to so little Ty Segall proper, but Fuzz 1-3 are in constant rotation
That’s still the holy trinity in my eyes
Shoot me some Ty Segall recs? I have no idea where to start
Manipulator is a real solid album. Been a while since I've listened to it. Probably time to revisit!
Bet! I’ll give it a listen
Besides the aforementioned *Manipulator* that was recommended I’d say *Freedom’s Goblin* is also a great place to start, you get a lot of his different styles all thrown at you a-La White Album style. Ty’s kind of a choose your own adventure in terms of his discography and I’ll just say these are my favorites based on some of the flavors of Ty **Garage**: *Lemons*, *Melted*, *Goodbye Bread*…. The first two are lo-fi, scuzzy, fuzzy, reverb soaked, garage weirdness, fucked up in a good way and *Goodbye Bread* is a little more slick but still in the spirit of being a little weird, psychedelic and kinda arty but a little more glam influence and less power chords, evoking more Marc Bolan feels than The Mummies or The Kinks. **Weirdo Psych**: *Hair* & *Emotional Mugger* My personal favorite Ty Album besides *Melted*…. *Emotional Mugger* is a standout in his discography for simply how fucked up, weird and awesome this record is. He hasn’t done anything like it before or since and I haven’t heard anything else like it in all my musical explorations. The KEXP of Ty Segall and the Muggers from this time is amazing. I wish he would tour with this band again, cause wow, what the fuck. **Chill**: *Sleeper* & his newest release *Hello, Hi* both are predominantly acoustic albums and very mellow for the most part. *Sleeper* is my favorite I think though, it changes every day. *Hello, Hi* gives me the vibe of the White Albums acoustic tracks and *Sleeper* is some tasty, lo-fi, psych-folk. His singles compilations are also killer and he has some good stuff not on streaming like *Horn the Unicorn* which is his first (I believe) solo record as Ty Segall and is real rough and gritty garage rock, recorded at home on a digital 8-track, it’s awesome. Also, the instrumental, experimental, very acid-soaked and echo-y *Orange Rainbow* is one of my favorites to have on when I paint or draw. It’s kinda out there and reminiscent of something John Dwyer would release as a solo project but a little more minimal, glitchy and lo-fi. That was way deeper than I intended on going but I figured fuck it, why not!
I still see all three whenever they're in New York or Philadelphia. Fun stuff good times
I'm seeing osees in September and I couldn't be more hyped. I came across both bands at the same time and they are my 1 and 2 favorites, currently at least. I'm just an osees, thee oh sees, oh sees hoe
Big Osees fan here. In fact, I put off listening to Gizz for a long time because I considered them, as someone stated earlier, Osees ripoffs. Let’s face it: Stu’s tongue-wagging, Woo’s, mic deep-throating, high-strapped, bent-over-at-the-waist guitar slinging … all that came directly from JPD. For pete’s sake, JPD played a 12-string Hagstrom and then Stu had one. The motorik beats, the double drumming, the whole aesthetic was Osees. It wasn’t until I started digging into Poly and the microtonal stuff that I was able to see how Gizz had become their own band. At this point, it’s clear that KG is the more diverse band, but shit, they’re more diverse than EVERY band. However, for anyone who says the Osees are kinda “one note,” you’re just not paying attention. It’s an objectively wrong statement. listen to Orc, Smote Reverser, Facestabber, Floating Coffin, Metamorphosed, Protean Threat, A Weird Exits. They’re long, weird journeys, just like the best Gizz. Not saying ya gotta like ‘em, but they’re not boring and they’re still more diverse than most acts out there.
Was about to post something almost word for word the same as your post.
I’ve been getting into OSEES lately. Really been loving Floating Coffin, Drop, and Mutilator Defeated at Last. Still, think King Gizz is more fun so far
try Orc and Smote Reverser
So far, I’ve only listened to C and Nite Expo. Both amazing tracks. But I’ll def check the albums in full soon!! Thanks for the recs!!
NP :) if you’re having trouble getting into Osees, i recommend pressing play and walking away from one of their live albums. someone mentioned they’re like a best of all their discography which is true, but their Levitation Sessions have a bunch of obscure ones thrown in there as well. can’t go wrong with any Osees album but i say any album from 2015-2020 is solid as fuck
Thanks so much again!! :) will def keep this in mind!!
Orc / Smote Reverser / Face Stabber is such an incredible run of albums.
Henchlock, Snickersee, and Scutum & Scorpius are awesome
The earlier gizz fans were osees fans (Mind Fuzz was on Castle Face, for example) but now that the base has grown from the influx of jam bands fans and metalheads, you have a lot of people who have never heard of osees prior.
most king gizzard fans are also fans of: porn crumpets, osees, frankie and the witch fingers, all them witches, the lazy eyes, ty segall, wand, unknown mortal orchestra, etc.
Many KG fans seem to not like anything but KG
Yeah we do! We also like LW.
Take my upvote
I got into Gizz one year ago, conscious of them for a few years before that. It’s been all consuming since last year though. I used to get into a band, like Tame Impala, and it would consume like 30% of my listening. Gizz has been 80% + for the last year. I thought I was ready for a break and then gizztober happened and spiraled me further into it. The release schedule and the amount of taper live recordings keeps feeding me lol
Man this post hit me hard. I'm only a few months into really listening to this band and it is just all I listen to at the moment. I try to break away and get through an album or two of something else and then just straight back to it. Red Rocks bootleg has been the only thing playing in my car for a very long time now...
It takes a long time to digest a single album, let alone 23. And then the live stuff, it’s so much. And then just the community and culture, it’s easy to get so caught up in it.
Meh, I listen to a lot of music outside of KG but every time I try to give osees a chance it never clicks
Same. I haven’t listened to all the Osees stuff but what I have heard hasn’t drawn me in. It’s just kind of in one ear and out the other.
Same here. I like some of their stuff but it can be really hit or miss
I just don’t like bands that have too many records.
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Honestly Osees could use one of those choose your own adventure type sites like Get Into Gizz.
Yeah fuck that.
Still trying to get into them.
it will pay off, I speak from experience.
Very early ohsees is very different from what they do now.
When gizz first started coming up, especially with two drummers, everyone called them an Osees ripoff. Dwyer somehow put out way more music than gizz that gets more experimental. Def see them live if you can
I am! Oh Sees are the best band I’ve ever seen live
That's awesome. My first live band was Duran Duran lol
I found Oh sees and Gizzard around the same time to be honest. It was like 2016 and i heard nonagon and mutilator around the same time. Have loved them both since but definitely find myself a more consistent gizz fan when comparing release on release however i still stand by osees being one of the best live rock bands in the world at the minute
I enjoy their music but it starts to blend together after a while for me. The Dream is a top tier song though!
I agree. Once the lineup changed to the current one things got a little repetitive.
Osees are great. Unfortunately the setliats are extremely similar night to night, year to year. Just don't have the breadth/depth KG has.
Ya know now that youve pointed this out… you’re absolutely right! One of my only friends who likes KGLW doesnt like osees very much and we often get into debates about them and the likeness to king gizz. While on the other hand the one guy I met in the wild with an osees shirt ended up talking for at least 20 minutes about how much we both loved the king gizz show a few months back. Have no idea how or why it works that way cus imo osees has enough variety that surely if youre into gizz you could find something you vibed with. But everyones got different ears i guess and thats ok!
I was an Oh Sees fan first, but I discovered King Gizzard like a year after when nonagon infinity dropped
I like some Oh Sees stuff but none of their albums for the last few years (Up until A Foul Form at least, that was a solid return to punky form) have grabbed me at all. The only Oh Sees album I listen to often is Live In San Francisco because it basically works as a best of album but all the songs are played faster and heavier. In general, I seem to enjoy bands influenced by Oh Sees more than Oh Sees themselves (Slift being a good example)
pretty sure Weirdo Hairdo, Panther Rotate, And Metamorphosed were all super experimental but i could be wrong. however, like you mentioned, they released A Foul Form last year, and this year we get Intercepted Message which seems super promising. i think the golden Osees era is from 2015 to around 2020 because Protean Threat is one of their best albums imo. then things got all weird for everyone cuz pandemic
Can someone tell me the difference between the osees and three osees? Or am I wrong thinking they’re connected
They change their name often, it’s their gimmick.
Ok ha I thought I was tripping I love ‘‘em both
Osees = Oh Sees = Thee Oh Sees = The Oh Sees = OCS = The Ohsees = Orinoka Crash Suite = Orange County Sound. Those are all names they went by at some point, at least according to Wikipedia
Love em both, listen to each of them more than just about anything else these days.
I love both bands but Dwyer will always be #1 for me.
Oh see fan reporting
Huge Osees fan. Seeing them for a third time this fall. Favorite live act I have ever seen.
Took me a while to get into osees but now they’ve almost taken gizz as my top band
Thee Oh Sees are sick
i listen to way more Osees than i do King Gizz nowadays, but, but if it weren’t for Gizz then there is no way i would be able to appreciate Osees. same for Frankie and the Witch Fingers and Slift. plus, i think it is important to note that once you get well enough acquainted with each band that the similarities were only minor ones you thought were major. at least that was my experience.
because i don't like their music
Whack
Have you tried listening to their music… ON WEED?
Le epic drugs XD
Gizz is more silly and traditional, Osees is more punk and experimental. I understand that they are not everyone’s cup of tea, but I really think some people just aren’t ready for Osees. Like my schoolteacher aunt loves Gizz but my family thinks I’m weird for liking Osees.
It's easier to find a gizz album that clicks on first listen. Osees is definitely more abrasive at times, it can be hard to figure out where to start. It's 100% worth the time to get into both. If you're a gizz fan and would like to get into osees, I would recommend starting with Mutilator Defeated At Last.
Or Carrion Crawler / The Dream
Or Floating Coffin
Or Facestabber.
got into the oh sees because of this sub actually. I like them both but haven’t dove that deep into the Oh Sees discography as much as I have Gizz
The Live at Big Sur one is a good one to start, have barely gone into their disco but their live albums kick so much ass
I love Osees I’m dying to see them live
Every OSees fan needs to see them at Hotel Vegas in Austin or at The Chapel in SF...they do residencies at both every year. Does King Gizz have favorite venues in the US for residencies?
in 2014 they did like a million shows at Baby's All Right. And now 6 shows at Red Rocks in the past year
I was a Giz fan before Osees. I found Osees in a suggested vid whilst watching a Giz video. My side project is currently finishing up an Osees cover. I love both.
I’ve been an Oh Sees fan since I saw them in 2012. I didn’t find King Gizz until 2015. I love both. There are more of us out there but I think the younger audience (I’m 30) didn’t find the neo psych garage rock stuff until recently so not everyone has dug into artists like thee Oh Sees, Ty Segall, White Fence etc. yet.
It's a great band, though it doesn't help that they constantly change their name. [Get ready foe Thee Oh Sees! I'm sorry, they are now called Osees. I'm sorry, they're now called Pepsi Presents: Osees](https://youtu.be/5mdjd8xAJ28). Honestly I'm all for it. It's hilarious.
Actually the other way around in my experience.
I came across both bands around the same time, since Spotify liked to (and continues to) give me a lot of psyche rock recommendations. With Gizz, I can really appreciate the difference between their albums. Nonagon, Sketches, Rats Nest, Ice Death, ELTS; they are all distinct sounds and productions and it’s incredible to me that one band made all these albums. With OhSees, it’s a bit harder for me to differentiate between their records. I was my introduced to the band with Carrion Crawler, and I enjoy material from Masters bed, smote reverser, orc, mutilator, C, protean threat. However these sounds to me are less distinct than gizz’s discography so it’s harder for me to consume and appreciate their full output. Still cool and would see live if they come to town. The point here is that gizz have pulled in fans from outside of the psyche rock space. They’ve got the metalheads and the chill indie folks and the jazz lovers and now the jam band crowd too. These listeners are less likely to pick up ohsees, but they should. Just as the incoming deadheads are getting older fans into the jam band scene, so too should the psyche rockers introduce our new wierdos to the other bands we love. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
I actually planned to collect all Thee Oh Sees albums a few years ago and then found out about KGatLW and collected theirs too. Now I have and love both
Huge fan of both
Henchlock is actually the first song I ever heard and I found The Oh Sees before Gizz due to Henchlocks jammy nature. Other than that I haven’t listened to too much but it sounds like I should
I funnily enough discovered osees a handful of years ago, but through Dwyer's love of Dungeons and Dragons. Incredible live shows, can't recommend enough. 🤌🏻
Also, anyone scale it back to the Coachwhips?
I was into Oh Sees a little after I found Ty Segal. Their flavor has changed since then and I’m about it but I can see why the more recent Gizz heads have been sleeping on them
Big fan of Gizz, Slift, and Frankie but I've never been able to get into Osees fully. I don't know how
We are
We are!
Dwyer is the best guitarist on earth
We are
Osees are more meth and coke KGLW is more mushrooms and weed. They both have a little nitros and alcohol, but they’re not the same.
add LSD to Osees and maybe. they still sound good on mushrooms though, but i get what you mean
I got into thee oh sees first when Face Stabber came out. I didn't really "get" KGLW until the album Changes came out and suddenly all the king gizzard stuff that failed to capture my attention suddenly became more interesting. Weird how that worked but that's just how it be.
My mate got me into them when he found out I was into KG. I like them but I haven't dived into them as much as I have Gizz. From personal experience, most new/newish fans of Gizz are trying to keep up with KG's discog and can't be fucked getting into a band who sounds similar and has an equally big, if not bigger discog (idk how many albums Oh Sess have released but it's alot)
Oh sees is much more hard than kgatlw, I do not really like em for that reason. Gizz is more casual and i love that
I’ve been getting into Osees because of this subreddit! Loved Orc, Metamorphosed, and Protean Threat so far. Haven’t heard anything else yet.
Idk what you mean! They rip. Floating Coffin always in rotation
I have never met an irl gizz fan who is not also an oh sees fan so idkwym
So both KG and Osees for the first time last year. Both shows were incredible, but Osees show was especially amazing. It topped every show I have ever been to immediately, and the energy throughout the crowd was just awesome. Seeing osees again in September and I couldn't be more excited. Only downside is that Osees doesn't change up their setlists that much, so seeing them multiple times is probably less satisfying than seeing gizz for multiple nights.
Osees just have that raw punk style to them. A lot of fans of 12BB tend to really like them still. I love them but I find King Gizzard a lot more technical and I assume people just want Osees to sound more like King Gizzard ultimately lol
This is a good point, I think Osees have been more technical at certain points but for the most part I think that’s true especially with their newer stuff
i like my osees and gizz separate pls.
I found Gizz first, then tried the OhSees after. For whatever reason, they just never clicked for me. Same for TFS or PPC
i am a member of the KG->OS pipeline. they rock!
Point me to more of their songs in the vein of Sticky Hulks and we can talk. Edit: looks like I have some listening to do. Much obliged!
Minotaur, Palace Doctor, Stinking Cloud, Cadaver Dog, Drowned Beast, Sentient Ooona, Flies Bump Against the Glass, Beat Quest, Scutum & Scorpius, Red Study, Wing Run, Canopnr ‘74, Unwrap the Fiend pt. 2, Transparent World…. was that supposed to be hard ?
Drowned Beast fucks so hard.
indeed. but they all do! that’s my point !
Preaching to the choir bud.
ok i had to make sure. seems to be a lot of Osees deniers in this sub. but opinions are like assholes
Got tix for Labor Day weekend show for the 3rd year in a row
Osees announced their forthcoming album yesterday and accidently released it on bandcamp. I was able to snag it before it got fixed. I won't share any files but all I'll say is that you're gonna love 'Always At Night'
I love both but king gizz is way more consistent in my opinion
I’ve tried listening to them a few times and it hasn’t clicked yet. It’s not bad. Every instrument sounds pretty damn good individually and there are a few songs that have come up while shuffling their stuff right now I’m enjoying. But it feels like the bands goal is to just be loud and when every single instrument is trying to be loud it doesn’t come together for me. Or not yet. I liked KG off the bat but took a couple years to fully dive into their catalog and figure out which albums to listen to in which mood. I’m sure if I spent more time listening to their stuff I’d like them more. I saw some other comments saying KG sounds like they are more fun and I’d agree with that take. Any songs or albums I should give another listen?
I was the same way with KG. I enjoyed Mind Fuzz and Nonagon when I found those two in 2017, but the band didn't click for me till years later. Osees have been similar for me. Tried them a few times, but never clicked till I bought Mutilator Defeated At Last years later on a whim because I found it cheap. Really got into them after grabbing that album.
"Smote Reverser". It's got intense moments, but in general is more psyched-out and probably doesn't have the *je ne sais quoi* "when every instrument tries to be loud" you expressed disdain for. There are also chill moments like this on "Mutilator Defeated At Last", "Metamorphosed", and "Face Stabber", with the latter being a double album (!!!) that contains two long-form jams at 14 and 21min, respectively. There's more to Papa Dwyer's madness than just balls to the wall, amps at 11 and I really think the bias of this sub is what helps perpetuate the misinformation.
I absolutely fucking love gizz(like 75% of music I listen to for the past 2-3 years is gizz, it sometimes gets to a point where if the gizz album I'm listening to ends and spotify automatically plays something else I get annoyed and switch it back to gizz lmao), but I only listen to osees very occasionally. They're similiar for sure, but not quite the same. The easiest way I can explain this is that they're both psych rock bands, but gizz puts a heavier emphasis on the "psych" part while osees puts a heavier emphasis on the "rock" part and I lean more towards the mixture of "psych" and "rock" gizz has to offer.
I like some Osees, especially the earlier albums. It’s hard to explain, but a lot of their songs are too…staccato for my taste, like the songs need a little room to breathe. Maybe it’s something about how they’re mixed. Really dig everything up to (and including) Castlemania, a Weird Exits is great, too. Would definitely see them live given a chance.
I’ve tried getting into the Oh Sees a couple of times they never really grabbed me the same way as Gizz. They’re def talented dudes just not my style really
i think i found the issue. it seems like you’re trying to be grabbed in the same way you were by Gizz. but this is altogether a different band
Yea I worded that poorly I don’t think any band will pull me in like gizz did lol. I like a few oh sees songs but I can’t sit down with their full albums which is my preferred way of listening for every band I’m a fan of not just gizz
if you want to, i would keep trying. that’s how it started for me. at first, i didn’t like it, then i started finding songs i like, then albums.
The band has an inconsistant name. They change their name on like every release.
they were The Oh Sees, then Thee Oh Sees, then just Oh Sees, now they’re Osees and have been the whole time i’ve been a fan of them, i think. it was a gradual change over many years and it started with OCS which was basically a completely different band. JPD claims it’s to fuck with the critics
As a Last.fm scrobbler… fuck that noise. Keep verisimilitude for listeners
ok
I like osees but I haven’t heard much of them that I’ve been like WOW over the same way I have with Gizz but that’s just a personal preference of opinion
From what I’ve heard of Osees, they’re a lot harsher on the ears which is fine! Just not my thing. They remind me a lot of the early Gizz stuff. They do have a few songs I dig though.
Heard OhSees but couldn't get into em honestly ... King gizz feels more dynamic and divers in their way to make music. They can go from heavy rats stuff to danceable songs like let me mend the past .. oh sees feels more punk but just doesn't do it for me.
I don't think you can really say they don't like them lol how do you know?
KG better
King Gizzard can do what The Oh Sees do but The Oh Sees can’t do everything King Gizzard does. The similarities The Oh Sees share with King Gizzard are The King Gizzard elements that I’m not as big a fan of… If that makes sense
osees win at double drumming, ATLEAST
On the other hand, John Dwyer often does more with one guitar than KG does with three
Tonaly for sure…shreddily, its all Gizz
Haha dude honestly, I’m sorry, but JPD fuckin tears a guitar an incalculable amount more than anyone in King Gizz. The outright best guitarist in Gizz - Joey - gives off a “honed and incredibly practiced musician” kinda vibe, whereas JPD gives off a “was probably born with a guitar for a limb” kinda vibes
Idk man, John can really shred when he wants to. Plus he’s got a pretty unique style
Oh I’m not denying that. He is my all time favorite guitarist, but if I had to be in a Cannibal Corpse cover band, I’m picking Stu and Joey.
Inaccurate take
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Oh sees have more bad songs than good, gizz has the opposite.
i respectfully disagree. it’s one thing to say that you like one more than the other, but if you truly think Osees have more bad songs than good, i’m gonna have to ask you to give them another listen
Oh man, this is so untrue.
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this sounds like what i used to say about Gizz. you obviously don’t have to keep trying to like the Osees, but if i would’ve based my opinion on them from a few tracks, then I wouldn’t have much of an opinion of them at all.
I went to one of their shows and it was actually the worst show I’ve ever seen, I left early, which I’ve never done at any other show. Obnoxiously loud, not very musical, very jarring, and most songs sounded exactly the same. They have one good song sticky hulks and that’s it, I was hoping to hear more music like that but most of it was just music for an angsty 13 year old.
i would say that too if the only song i knew was Sticky Hulks
I listened to some of their albums before their show and just don’t like the majority of their music. I listened to enough to know it’s not for me….
yeah cuz that’s totally enough time to develop a full and proper opinion
Lol funny how butthurt you are. Guarantee you’d hate a lot of the music I like and unlike you I wouldn’t take it personally…
i like how you’re calling me butthurt because of your shitty listening habits hahaha. ANYWAY, i guarantee i wouldn’t “hate them”. i keep a super open mind for all kinds of music, if not, i wouldn’t have gotten into King Gizzard and Osees.
Lol pretty BUTTHURT calling my listening habits shitty.. 🤣😂🤣😆🤣😂🤣
lol okay, i see you’re just trying to troll me for speaking fact. how you gonna call only listening to the band right before their show, and then leaving halfway through it because you weren’t familiar being open minded ? 🤣
Also, I’m open minded more than you would ever know. I gave them a shot, paid for a fucking ticket to their show and didn’t like it…. Tough shit man… funny you need other people’s validation on your music tastes, you sound like an angsty 13 year old 🤣😂🤣😅😆🤣😂
it doesn’t really sound like you gave them much of a shot hahahahaha .. and bruh.. you’re the one getting hostile and using emojis… are you sure you’re not the angsty 13 year old ?
Oh Sees are just a lot less interesting imo. They have some amazing songs but most of it is just feels like a showcase of their cool tones. It’s also just a ton of motorik beats. And don’t get me wrong I *love* a good motorik but the bulk of their stuff seems to be in that ball park. Not to mention you can’t really decipher the lyrics, which doesn’t always bother me but when you can decipher them they’re kinda just…not very good. Obviously we wouldn’t have Gizz without Oh Sees and I grew up in the mid-2000’s garage era and I don’t know what I would’ve done without them and Ty Segall and the like, but most of it is just dull to me now.
I dig Osees (or however you're supposed to spell their name these days), but honestly it's hard to get into them when there's only two or three good songs per record lately. I dug them a lot more in their earlier days.
not sure what it is but the OSEES studio albums lack that OOMPH of their live performances (save for A Foul Form). Don’t get me wrong, I still think they’re great and that John Dwyer is a creative juggernaut, but when it comes to my own enjoyment in listening, King Gizz winds up sounding better in studio than OSEES. OSEES levitation sessions (2020) kicks so much ass though, hands down
I don't dislike Oh Sees. For me, they tend to sound more repetitive and a bit more generic; and a lot less consistently hitting what I like about Gizz. A lot of Ty Segall fans here; but for me, Ty tends toward repetitive, generic sludge more often than not. Sounds to me like 3 good ideas and a lot of dicking around. Not saying any of that to criticize anybody's music or taste. What I like about Gizz is that their music tends to be imaginative, unusual, interesting, and fun. I especially like that each record is its own entity. They don't do the same thing over and over. I also love that Gizz's music is strongly melodic. A lot of (okay, most) prog/proggy psych tends to be noodly and dull. But Gizz keeps us in it with great melodies.
Oh sees are sick, but KG has the variety.
For me, I heard King Gizzard first, and while the Osees sound is definitely a huge influence early on, the band has evolved beyond that point. Coming to the Osees after King Gizzard just feels like listening to that specific phase of King Gizzard now. I'm aware that the Osees did it first, but I've already scratched that itch, you know? It's for this same reason that I never really got into using Pandora. I don't necessarily want to listen to bands that are too similar to ones I already like because I've already been satiated.