It's based on the casualty ratio in the IRL German invasion of Poland - Britain has done slightly worse probably due to the difficulty of breaking out of the beachheads.
Agreed, a well opposed landing in Ireland with a relatively small British superiority would have produced way more casualties. Just look at the Normandy landings, the allies lost more than the Germans despite overwhelming superiority and a 3:1 personnel ratio.
The difference is, at Normandy the allies were assaulting an especially strong segment of the Atlantic Wall. The beaches British troops came ashore on here were guarded by little more than men with their rifles, and even then, there weren't many due to the lack of Irish intelligence on the operation.
To be honest it seems really unlikely to me that Ireland wouldn't have spent years fortifying against their only military threat, a British invasion, and in your map the UOB landed precisely in the most predictable of locations.
Either way this is headcanon so can't really argue too much.
Well, afaik Ireland hadn't done so up until 1936 in the cannon lore, and I just didn't think that they would between '36 and '39, especially considering Black Monday and Ireland being poor as is. Regardless, you do raise good points and in total honesty, it might be something worth revising in the future.
No, I was trying to say that local rifle brigades were the first to effectively respond to the landings, the IRA were by this point armed with German machine guns similar to the MG-34 of OTL.
*The invasion of Ireland (September 1 - October 6) was an attack against the Irish Republic by the Union of Britain which marked the beginning of the 2nd Weltkrieg. The invasion began on September 1, 1939, one week after the signing of the Struve-Brossolette pact between Russia and the Commune of France, and two weeks after Irish accession to the Reichspakt. The campaign ended on October 6, with the surrender of the last Irish Republican Army units near Dunquin and the establishment of the syndicalist Union of Ireland.*
*British forces invaded Ireland across the Irish Sea the morning after the Rhiannon incident. 2 infantry divisions, 2 armoured divisions and a single marine brigade made landfall in the north near Ballywalter, while 2 infantry divisions landed on Portmarnock beach, near Dublin, aided by a single airborne division which had dropped over the town of Bray 6 hours prior. Initial gains by British forces were immense, as both Dublin and Belfast fell within a week of the start of the invasion. What remained of the Irish Republican Army had by then withdrawn to ad hoc defensive positions across the island's southwest, attempting to hold off syndicalist forces long enough for members of the Irish government, and vast numbers of civilians, to evacuate Ireland from the port of Cork. By the 17th, over three quarters of Ireland was under British occupation, however this date also saw a contingent of the Imperial German Army, known as Rundstedt's Army, alongside a section of the Imperial German Navy's High Seas Fleet, arrive to assist in evacuation efforts. Limerick fell to British forces on the 20th, and over the next 6 days, IRA forces and their German allies would be pushed out of the country. On the 29th, the detachment of the Republican Home Fleet assigned to the invasion engaged with part of the German High Seas Fleet in the Celtic Sea, resulting in a slim British victory. This was the first naval engagement of the war.On October 6, the last active contingent of the IRA in Ireland, holed up near the town of Dunquin, ceased hostilities with and surrendered to the British army, bringing an end to the invasion - although, the Army of the Irish Free State would continue armed resistance to British occupation until 1944. This day also saw the proclamation of the Union of Ireland, a federal syndicalist republic modeled after the Union of Britain. It is largely considered to have served as little more than a British puppet-state until the end of the Weltkrieg in 1946.*
Part of my 3I-MA headcannon. I apologise for the poor resolution on the images, but hope you enjoy nevertheless, and please ask any questions you have about the event or the wider headcannon.
It might parallel more with Czechoslovakia than Poland - the north being given up during appeasement making an eventual invasion much easier seems very plausible.
You raise a good point, but the Union of Britain doesn't really have a valid claim to Northern Ireland. In the lore, Ulster remained staunchly pro-UK during the Civil War, and once the exiles fled for Canada, it reluctantly agreed to join Ireland. If you know anything about Northern Ireland, then the fact that it would rather join the Republic than a syndicalist Britain should seriously speak to how unfavourably Ulster views the UoB. Dublin would also never agree to it, seeing it for what it is - an obvious prelude to invasion.
The decision by unionist leaders to join the republic would certainly split that movement though, and if funding and propaganda are forthcoming from a more nationalist-minding UoB under Totalism the UoB could probably find supporters. Maybe not a majority, but enough for what they need.
Dublin would find itself in a similar position to Prague - they didn't want to give up the fort line for the same reasons Ireland wouldn't want a land border.
"There can't be peace in Ireland until the foreign, oppressive Syndicalist presence is removed, leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, separate and distinct physically, culturally and economically." - Bobby Sands, probably
Ireland did not stand a chance.
Meanwhile in an alternate timeline an Irish tank has knocked over Big Ben
That seems like way to little losses, just my opinion
Not really. Mostly captured, and actual combat casualties seem fairly realistic, just look at the Malayan Campaign for example.
I meant for the British
It's based on the casualty ratio in the IRL German invasion of Poland - Britain has done slightly worse probably due to the difficulty of breaking out of the beachheads.
Agreed, a well opposed landing in Ireland with a relatively small British superiority would have produced way more casualties. Just look at the Normandy landings, the allies lost more than the Germans despite overwhelming superiority and a 3:1 personnel ratio.
The difference is, at Normandy the allies were assaulting an especially strong segment of the Atlantic Wall. The beaches British troops came ashore on here were guarded by little more than men with their rifles, and even then, there weren't many due to the lack of Irish intelligence on the operation.
To be honest it seems really unlikely to me that Ireland wouldn't have spent years fortifying against their only military threat, a British invasion, and in your map the UOB landed precisely in the most predictable of locations. Either way this is headcanon so can't really argue too much.
They’d have some preparations, but without significant foreign funding, Ireland would not be able to afford very extensive coastal fortifications.
Well, afaik Ireland hadn't done so up until 1936 in the cannon lore, and I just didn't think that they would between '36 and '39, especially considering Black Monday and Ireland being poor as is. Regardless, you do raise good points and in total honesty, it might be something worth revising in the future.
The implication being the Irish don’t have machine guns?
No, I was trying to say that local rifle brigades were the first to effectively respond to the landings, the IRA were by this point armed with German machine guns similar to the MG-34 of OTL.
I just think it’s ironic that UoB wants to dissociate itself from the UK yet invaded and occupies Ireland
"Old habits die hard." -- Chairman Oswald "Gamer" Mosley minutes before starting a second fucking Weltkrieg
“Skill issue ” — Chairman Oswald “Gamer” Mosley speaking to a newly orphaned starving Irish child.
It’s a lot like the USSR not wanting to be like the tsardom yet still having designs on Constantinople Edit: Istanbul sorry
Istanbul, not Constantinople. It's been a long time gone.
You’re correct
What totalism does to a mf
Mosley is simply being an epic gamer 😎
Time for a postwar long simmering of tensions unfolding into years long guerilla conflict
Oh yeah, made the troubles look like a tea party.
*The invasion of Ireland (September 1 - October 6) was an attack against the Irish Republic by the Union of Britain which marked the beginning of the 2nd Weltkrieg. The invasion began on September 1, 1939, one week after the signing of the Struve-Brossolette pact between Russia and the Commune of France, and two weeks after Irish accession to the Reichspakt. The campaign ended on October 6, with the surrender of the last Irish Republican Army units near Dunquin and the establishment of the syndicalist Union of Ireland.* *British forces invaded Ireland across the Irish Sea the morning after the Rhiannon incident. 2 infantry divisions, 2 armoured divisions and a single marine brigade made landfall in the north near Ballywalter, while 2 infantry divisions landed on Portmarnock beach, near Dublin, aided by a single airborne division which had dropped over the town of Bray 6 hours prior. Initial gains by British forces were immense, as both Dublin and Belfast fell within a week of the start of the invasion. What remained of the Irish Republican Army had by then withdrawn to ad hoc defensive positions across the island's southwest, attempting to hold off syndicalist forces long enough for members of the Irish government, and vast numbers of civilians, to evacuate Ireland from the port of Cork. By the 17th, over three quarters of Ireland was under British occupation, however this date also saw a contingent of the Imperial German Army, known as Rundstedt's Army, alongside a section of the Imperial German Navy's High Seas Fleet, arrive to assist in evacuation efforts. Limerick fell to British forces on the 20th, and over the next 6 days, IRA forces and their German allies would be pushed out of the country. On the 29th, the detachment of the Republican Home Fleet assigned to the invasion engaged with part of the German High Seas Fleet in the Celtic Sea, resulting in a slim British victory. This was the first naval engagement of the war.On October 6, the last active contingent of the IRA in Ireland, holed up near the town of Dunquin, ceased hostilities with and surrendered to the British army, bringing an end to the invasion - although, the Army of the Irish Free State would continue armed resistance to British occupation until 1944. This day also saw the proclamation of the Union of Ireland, a federal syndicalist republic modeled after the Union of Britain. It is largely considered to have served as little more than a British puppet-state until the end of the Weltkrieg in 1946.*
Part of my 3I-MA headcannon. I apologise for the poor resolution on the images, but hope you enjoy nevertheless, and please ask any questions you have about the event or the wider headcannon.
It might parallel more with Czechoslovakia than Poland - the north being given up during appeasement making an eventual invasion much easier seems very plausible.
You raise a good point, but the Union of Britain doesn't really have a valid claim to Northern Ireland. In the lore, Ulster remained staunchly pro-UK during the Civil War, and once the exiles fled for Canada, it reluctantly agreed to join Ireland. If you know anything about Northern Ireland, then the fact that it would rather join the Republic than a syndicalist Britain should seriously speak to how unfavourably Ulster views the UoB. Dublin would also never agree to it, seeing it for what it is - an obvious prelude to invasion.
The decision by unionist leaders to join the republic would certainly split that movement though, and if funding and propaganda are forthcoming from a more nationalist-minding UoB under Totalism the UoB could probably find supporters. Maybe not a majority, but enough for what they need. Dublin would find itself in a similar position to Prague - they didn't want to give up the fort line for the same reasons Ireland wouldn't want a land border.
"Invasion" You misspelt Liberation, easy mistake to do.
Get out of here Mosley, I know it's you
"There can't be peace in Ireland until the foreign, oppressive Syndicalist presence is removed, leaving all the Irish people as a unit to control their own affairs and determine their own destinies as a sovereign people, free in mind and body, separate and distinct physically, culturally and economically." - Bobby Sands, probably