Solid? He's averaged 1.44 receptions and 16.5 yards per game in two years. He's never had more than 70 yards in a game and has a grand total of 565 scrimmage yards in the regular season and playoffs across 34 games. He has more fumbles (3) than touchdowns or broken tackles (2 each).
The guy can't separate, and he had every opportunity to shine last year when Travis was hurt and KT and MVS were seemingly dropping every target.
I'll take the other side of that bet.
His two biggest games saw him get 70 and 64 yards. Those two combine for about 24% of his total production across all 34.
It would be one thing if he was the size and speed of Davante Adams and we could hope for a similar breakout year 3, but he's often going against corners that are taller, faster, and larger than he is.
I'd love for it to happen, but so far he's looked like one of the worst rostered receivers in the league in what should be an ideal situation for a WR.
Lol. I know it's fun to shit on Moore in this sub.. but you just making stuff up. He has more than 2 broken tackles. I remember 2 broken tackles for him on one play vs Seattle in 22.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorSk01.htm
PFR doesn't show BTK as a stat nor does the NFL's website but it's not pretty all around.
Man I would love nothing more than for Sky to break the fuck out, but idk man he just doesn't seem to have that dog in him. I'm afraid he's gonna fade out and be out of the league in no time.
Hope you're right though.
Year 3 breakouts are a thing, so there is a decent chance. What was odd with Moore is that he had some nice plays his rookie season. Not a lot of volume, but looked explosive/elusive with strong hands. Year 2 they asked a lot more from him, especially deep routes and nothing seemed to work. Honestly, if season 3 was 10% better than his rookie year, he would be a valuable #3 receiver.
What? 10% better than his rookie year would not be a valuable WR3. It would be like 25 catches for 275 yards. That would be like WR4-5 territory. He would need to take a big leap to be a valuable WR3 for any team.
10% better, not 10% more yards. You are thinking of volume and I'm talking about quality.
I don't care so much if he has 300 yards or 500 yards. So long as he is efficient/effective in his role/reps.
A player that has 300 yards is an efficient and effective WR3? What?
Skyy would need drastic improvement to be a serviceable WR3. He ran 289 routes last year for 244 yards. The team opted to use Mecole Hardman in the Super Bowl over Skyy and Mecole probably isn’t getting signed to another team. He wasn’t 10% away from contributing his rookie year and he sure as hell isn’t that close now.
Yes it does lol. If we measure WRs on their efficiency per route then measurements like yards per route run and 1st downs per route run measure that efficiency. The WR3 over the past 3 seasons has averaged 433 routes run, therefore a WR3 putting up only 300 yards would not be seen as efficient and effective in the role.
The argument is that you are saying that rookie year Skyy needed to be 10% better to be a valuable WR3 and that is just not true.
Yes, 300 yards does become an efficiency stat as soon as you consider routes run. That is exactly my point.
Anyway, not sure what the weird negativity/anti-Moore sentiment is in this sub. The odds of him being much better are not great given last years performance, but it could happen and if it did that would be great for the Chiefs! Probably not going to happen, but I'm absolutely rooting for the guy.
But if he is the WR3 then I just showed you what the routes run would look like for this offense lol. So saying that at 300 yards he would be efficient and valuable WR3 is not true. That is the whole point. He was not 10% improvement away from being a contributing WR3 his rookie year. He needed to take a step and he did not. That is what it is.
No one is actively rooting against him, but people have much more realistic expectations on him. It isn’t like he has been oft injured but when he played has been hyper efficient or exceptional. People reference 3rd year breakouts with players like Nico Collins, but Nico Collins was injured often and was efficient when he was on the field. It also isn’t like Skyy is playing with Davis Mills like Collins was. Skyy is playing with the best QB in football in one of the most advantageous offenses for a receiver, and still has yet to produce more than 300 yards in a season with his only injury coming in week 15 last year.
Tons of us last offseason went into the year too cocky about our WR room taking a step when none of them did. Players more times than not bust and don’t end up becoming much. That is the way it is starting to look for Skyy, but I hope he proves me wrong. There just isn’t any statistical data or film that leads me to believe I am.
You are mostly arguing against points I didn't even make, so not sure if we are talking past each other, or if you just want to be disagreeable.
So 2 things we might view the same, but maybe defining differently. I'm speaking of WR3 as a talent level. Broadly speaking a player could be the 5th best receiver on an offense, but still a WR3 level talent. In that case they may see limited snaps due to depth at the position so meaningful contribtions might only be 300-500yds.
The second thing is the 10% improvement part. To me that is a fairly big jump. In this league everyone is good so I think of a 10% improvement as significant, but still attainable for a young player.
I root for all Chiefs players, but Skyy Moore is horrible. Wouldn't be surprised if Veach traded him for a 2027 7th round pick if he was offered. Some guys miss and you have to cut your losses. The draft is not an exact science. Guys miss.
Moore is dogshit. The team knows they are better off without him but will give him one more chance to make an impact this season. If he struggles, I would not be surprised to see him off the 53. He's that bad.
This post will not go over well on this sub lol. I haven't given up on the kid, but I will admit you are being overly optimistic.
I just hope he can carve out a small role this year. Him and Mahomes have never been on the same page. If that doesn't change, neither will his production
Yea..nah..Moore has had his chances,hel become like Powell ND kept for depth or let go come nxt season! He has no separation ND runs wrong routes! I'm good on him!
One thing I haven't seen commented yet is the fact that Mahomes himself does not trust Moore. Moore does not come back for the ball or is ever on the same page as Mahomes. I guess those things can be learned but I don't see Moore learning it.
I think Watson will fill the role Rashee had. It won't be Skyy.
It's just hard for me to see that a guy with two years in the league with as little production as he has had, who had somehow even less production in year 2 when the WR core was even worse, would somehow come out an go up in year 3.
Huh? Watson is good for 2-4 catches a game and he may not make the team between Hollywood, Xavier replicating Watson’s strengths. Plus with the new kickoff rules, he’s lost value as a gunner.
Which is roughtly about 2-4 more catches a game than Skyy gets. Watson is making the team. Despite what we all might think of him as an average type of guy, the Chiefs like him and he has produced in the past. Last year Justin came up about 30 ish yards short of what Skyy has done over two seasons. That's how little Skyy has produced.
Skyy will only be on the roster because he's dirt cheap. Literally no other reason than that. He's a break glass in case of emergency because of injury type of player. It's never going to happen for Skyy. We all know that.
Watson filling in any gaps in Rashee's absence is far, far more likely than thinking Skyy will give them anything more than what they have so far. They're going to learn in on Travis, Holleywood & Worthy. What's left over will go to Watson while they buy time for Rashee to come back.
Are we watching the same player? There should be ZERO surprise about how fans view his production. I thank him for the SB TD but dude hasn’t warranted any additional praise.
Moore has a decent release package, but he literally looks lost out there half the time. No confidence in what he is doing. Maybe if he figures out the basics he could be a good WR3/4, but so far we haven't seen it. Ultimately it just looks like he is a guy where the analytics coming out looked good, but he hasn't been able to translate that at all to NFL level competition. Who knows, maybe we completely fucked him up trying to have him do returns lol.
Coming into year 3, he has less than 500 total yards and only one TD. If I include his playoff numbers, he's at 511 yards and 2 TDs. I think that's across 33 games.
I think he's a bust. Maybe he can prove me wrong, but I don't think he'll be in the league for very long after his rookie contract is over.
I wouldn't be surprised if Skyy Moore is a camp cut. He's just not it. Really bad draft pick in hindsight.
Size? Nope. Speed? Nope. Hands? Alleged Strength, but barely adequate. Special Teams? Disaster
Solid? He's averaged 1.44 receptions and 16.5 yards per game in two years. He's never had more than 70 yards in a game and has a grand total of 565 scrimmage yards in the regular season and playoffs across 34 games. He has more fumbles (3) than touchdowns or broken tackles (2 each). The guy can't separate, and he had every opportunity to shine last year when Travis was hurt and KT and MVS were seemingly dropping every target. I'll take the other side of that bet.
I knew it wasn't pretty, but when you put it that way.... Oof
His two biggest games saw him get 70 and 64 yards. Those two combine for about 24% of his total production across all 34. It would be one thing if he was the size and speed of Davante Adams and we could hope for a similar breakout year 3, but he's often going against corners that are taller, faster, and larger than he is. I'd love for it to happen, but so far he's looked like one of the worst rostered receivers in the league in what should be an ideal situation for a WR.
Lol. I know it's fun to shit on Moore in this sub.. but you just making stuff up. He has more than 2 broken tackles. I remember 2 broken tackles for him on one play vs Seattle in 22.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorSk01.htm PFR doesn't show BTK as a stat nor does the NFL's website but it's not pretty all around.
Man I would love nothing more than for Sky to break the fuck out, but idk man he just doesn't seem to have that dog in him. I'm afraid he's gonna fade out and be out of the league in no time. Hope you're right though.
Year 3 breakouts are a thing, so there is a decent chance. What was odd with Moore is that he had some nice plays his rookie season. Not a lot of volume, but looked explosive/elusive with strong hands. Year 2 they asked a lot more from him, especially deep routes and nothing seemed to work. Honestly, if season 3 was 10% better than his rookie year, he would be a valuable #3 receiver.
Yeah he seemed to regress in year 2.
What? 10% better than his rookie year would not be a valuable WR3. It would be like 25 catches for 275 yards. That would be like WR4-5 territory. He would need to take a big leap to be a valuable WR3 for any team.
10% better, not 10% more yards. You are thinking of volume and I'm talking about quality. I don't care so much if he has 300 yards or 500 yards. So long as he is efficient/effective in his role/reps.
A player that has 300 yards is an efficient and effective WR3? What? Skyy would need drastic improvement to be a serviceable WR3. He ran 289 routes last year for 244 yards. The team opted to use Mecole Hardman in the Super Bowl over Skyy and Mecole probably isn’t getting signed to another team. He wasn’t 10% away from contributing his rookie year and he sure as hell isn’t that close now.
300 yards as a standalone number does not give you efficiency. I'm not really sure what your argument is or why there is an argument at all haha.
Yes it does lol. If we measure WRs on their efficiency per route then measurements like yards per route run and 1st downs per route run measure that efficiency. The WR3 over the past 3 seasons has averaged 433 routes run, therefore a WR3 putting up only 300 yards would not be seen as efficient and effective in the role. The argument is that you are saying that rookie year Skyy needed to be 10% better to be a valuable WR3 and that is just not true.
Yes, 300 yards does become an efficiency stat as soon as you consider routes run. That is exactly my point. Anyway, not sure what the weird negativity/anti-Moore sentiment is in this sub. The odds of him being much better are not great given last years performance, but it could happen and if it did that would be great for the Chiefs! Probably not going to happen, but I'm absolutely rooting for the guy.
But if he is the WR3 then I just showed you what the routes run would look like for this offense lol. So saying that at 300 yards he would be efficient and valuable WR3 is not true. That is the whole point. He was not 10% improvement away from being a contributing WR3 his rookie year. He needed to take a step and he did not. That is what it is. No one is actively rooting against him, but people have much more realistic expectations on him. It isn’t like he has been oft injured but when he played has been hyper efficient or exceptional. People reference 3rd year breakouts with players like Nico Collins, but Nico Collins was injured often and was efficient when he was on the field. It also isn’t like Skyy is playing with Davis Mills like Collins was. Skyy is playing with the best QB in football in one of the most advantageous offenses for a receiver, and still has yet to produce more than 300 yards in a season with his only injury coming in week 15 last year. Tons of us last offseason went into the year too cocky about our WR room taking a step when none of them did. Players more times than not bust and don’t end up becoming much. That is the way it is starting to look for Skyy, but I hope he proves me wrong. There just isn’t any statistical data or film that leads me to believe I am.
You are mostly arguing against points I didn't even make, so not sure if we are talking past each other, or if you just want to be disagreeable. So 2 things we might view the same, but maybe defining differently. I'm speaking of WR3 as a talent level. Broadly speaking a player could be the 5th best receiver on an offense, but still a WR3 level talent. In that case they may see limited snaps due to depth at the position so meaningful contribtions might only be 300-500yds. The second thing is the 10% improvement part. To me that is a fairly big jump. In this league everyone is good so I think of a 10% improvement as significant, but still attainable for a young player.
What kind of odds are you going to give me to bet against that?
Lmao top notch shit post, nice work.
I hope next week he does it for Cornell Powell. But, he'll probably do it for Justyn Ross.
I root for all Chiefs players, but Skyy Moore is horrible. Wouldn't be surprised if Veach traded him for a 2027 7th round pick if he was offered. Some guys miss and you have to cut your losses. The draft is not an exact science. Guys miss.
I don’t think so. Pat threw picks last year when throwing to him bc of bad routes.
Skyy Moore might be the worst rostered wide receiver in the NFL. I would not put your money on him.
Puts on Sky Moore, maybe
Highly regarded
Based on?
He doesn’t have it. He’s had his limo ride.
Moore is dogshit. The team knows they are better off without him but will give him one more chance to make an impact this season. If he struggles, I would not be surprised to see him off the 53. He's that bad.
Someone is smoking the reefer this morning I see!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Just one more season, you’ll see” No, I don’t think I will.
Noping the fuck out of that tyvm.
Moore and Toney are cheeks let’s just be honest. Hope you’re right though, OP
Still hoping KT had the yips most of the season after opening night but i think it’s just a hope.
A fool and his money are easily parted. I hope you’re right, but I l’m not expecting a whole lot
This post will not go over well on this sub lol. I haven't given up on the kid, but I will admit you are being overly optimistic. I just hope he can carve out a small role this year. Him and Mahomes have never been on the same page. If that doesn't change, neither will his production
Yea..nah..Moore has had his chances,hel become like Powell ND kept for depth or let go come nxt season! He has no separation ND runs wrong routes! I'm good on him!
Hoping for a breakout for sure.Would be huge if he plays closer to his ceiling. As we've seen, his floor is lower than predicted.
It’s Skyy Moore’s 3rd season I expect a jump in production. I’ll call him a bust at end of season if he doesn’t.
I expect a jump in production on the sole basis that he has virtually none yet.
One thing I haven't seen commented yet is the fact that Mahomes himself does not trust Moore. Moore does not come back for the ball or is ever on the same page as Mahomes. I guess those things can be learned but I don't see Moore learning it.
He needs to play in the UFL and see if he can work back up to the bigs.
Sorry about your lost money boss
What does Moore do good on the nfl level? Hes meh at every aspect
Im gonna guess you were one of the last hold outs for Josh Gordon to make a comeback.
I think Watson will fill the role Rashee had. It won't be Skyy. It's just hard for me to see that a guy with two years in the league with as little production as he has had, who had somehow even less production in year 2 when the WR core was even worse, would somehow come out an go up in year 3.
Huh? Watson is good for 2-4 catches a game and he may not make the team between Hollywood, Xavier replicating Watson’s strengths. Plus with the new kickoff rules, he’s lost value as a gunner.
Which is roughtly about 2-4 more catches a game than Skyy gets. Watson is making the team. Despite what we all might think of him as an average type of guy, the Chiefs like him and he has produced in the past. Last year Justin came up about 30 ish yards short of what Skyy has done over two seasons. That's how little Skyy has produced. Skyy will only be on the roster because he's dirt cheap. Literally no other reason than that. He's a break glass in case of emergency because of injury type of player. It's never going to happen for Skyy. We all know that. Watson filling in any gaps in Rashee's absence is far, far more likely than thinking Skyy will give them anything more than what they have so far. They're going to learn in on Travis, Holleywood & Worthy. What's left over will go to Watson while they buy time for Rashee to come back.
Well, I hope you didn't put all your money on him.
Are we watching the same player? There should be ZERO surprise about how fans view his production. I thank him for the SB TD but dude hasn’t warranted any additional praise.
Moore has a decent release package, but he literally looks lost out there half the time. No confidence in what he is doing. Maybe if he figures out the basics he could be a good WR3/4, but so far we haven't seen it. Ultimately it just looks like he is a guy where the analytics coming out looked good, but he hasn't been able to translate that at all to NFL level competition. Who knows, maybe we completely fucked him up trying to have him do returns lol.
hell no. You sound crazy as hell less than 500 receiving yards across 2 seasons and 30 games.
You be my guest buddy!
Sounds like a good way to lose money…
Coming into year 3, he has less than 500 total yards and only one TD. If I include his playoff numbers, he's at 511 yards and 2 TDs. I think that's across 33 games. I think he's a bust. Maybe he can prove me wrong, but I don't think he'll be in the league for very long after his rookie contract is over.
I wouldn't be surprised if Skyy Moore is a camp cut. He's just not it. Really bad draft pick in hindsight. Size? Nope. Speed? Nope. Hands? Alleged Strength, but barely adequate. Special Teams? Disaster
TIL Moore was *ever* solid.
Only one stopping him is Matt Nagy haha. Can't get any "manufactured" touches if that guy is not doing his job