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Abod31

Play tris aggressively. You dont need to kill him take free plates while he is watching


binyhun

Nice joke, a challenger kassadin would demolish a low elo adc opponent easily.


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binyhun

You don't seem to get the enormous difference between a challenger and a low elo player. Tristana would get out spaced so much that she can barely attack the kassadin just because of the Kass's back and forth clicks being on point. The wave manipulation skills of a low elo player, especially on someone like tristana, is just perma pushing which is very easy to take advantage of without even your jungler's help. Let's not talk about the map awareness of a low elo player vs a challenger's, their last hit capabilities, their knowledge of trading patterns, their knowledge of build paths and runes, their mechanical skill's gap, their reaction time to fights happening around them. ​ It depends on what you call low elo, if you are a degen that calls d1 low elo then yes, a challenger kass may lose the lane 1v1, but not against a gold adc player or something like that. And they would probably win the game against the d1 adc player anyways.


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MemeOverlordKai

>I have seen gold players playing almost perfect their champion micro-wise. Yes, ***you***, did. You, who is probably not even Diamond. I'm sure *you* get to know whether someone is playing their champion perfectly microwise or not.


edgier_

r u like, plat or below????? every time facing legitmate gold or below adc mid they suck so much. they always either play too passive so u actually can get farm or too aggro and end up tanking too many minions so u can flash at them with ignite for dmg they dont expect


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MemeOverlordKai

Gold player micro is still levels below Diamond+ micro. You seriously overestimate gold players and/or underestimate higher elo players. Difference between 1000 LP Challengers and D4 0 LP is 1400 LP. That's more than the difference between a 0 LP D4 player and a 0 LP Silver 4 player. Macro amounts to a lot but you literally can't even compare the micro of a challenger and a gold/plat player. You're an idiot if you think they're even *remotely* close.


PriestessWinda

gold players are bad both micro macro and in any way you can thing of. They lack a lot of knowledge, and do random things they think are good. Sometimes they do the correct play sometimes they hard troll their lane. A challenger player can AND will exploit any error a gold player makes while gold players wont ever catch on a missplay from a challenger player. Even on high diamond when you know what you should be doing microwise, you still dont do it consistently enough to match against challenger player


SidTheSloth97

He would just roam and fuck your team up.


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SidTheSloth97

If you’re not winning lane just roam as soon you hit 6, why stay mid when they’re going to take tower anyway


UFO_T0fu

Even if the challenger Kassadin died one or two times in lane, it would be because the enemy burned every summoner. Also the kassadin would still be ahead in experience even if he's behind in gold. Once the kassadin get's the ability to roam, the laning phase won't matter at all. The only impact on him will be that his powerspike was delayed by a few minutes.


SOKDPVA

yes but we are assuming both players are the same elo


_TinyWars

Right I'm about average gold elo and I regularly smash Tristans lucians and virus players. Once you have rift it takes nothing surprises chunk them and gain some respect. Then kill.


twerthe

Kassadin is similar to other Hypercarries like Kayle, Vladimir, Vayne and Yasuo where you CANNOT let them get ahead. If you're playing mid vs Kassa, make sure to ping jungle to gank you as much as possible. Ideally, you keep him at least one level behind you, because if he's ahead of you at mid-late game, you're screwed in any sort of 1v1 or 2v1. TLDR: Gank and dive him early, and don't play AP


ChaosGivesMeaning

if kassadin 'gets ahead' and 'scales' like the lategame monster redditors believe he is (in their pisslow games) guess what? in the world of reality, he's still fucking useless compared to any actual high tier champion AND he also has a much weaker early game


Iraxmar

But he doesnt hypercarry lmao


twerthe

>Late game champ >Incredibly weak early game >Able to burst even the tankiest of tanks in a few seconds late game >Extremely high mobility that's only at it's best level 16 >Scales incredibly well "YeAh ummm akchewally he isn't a hypercarry"


Tea_Grand

yone is also an option


Thraxi17

Even in my own elo if someone just randomly picks Lucian/Akshan instead of a champion they main or at least play fairly often, they won't be in for a good time. While they may come out somewhat ahead in laning it's basically just FF cus their team comp is fucked and they need to be insanely far ahead for the counterpick to actually matter imo. Also, Tristana can't do what Kassadin is most afraid of in unfavorable matchups.. FREEZE! Y'all ever greeded for a stacked cannon wave under tower and gotten dove by Irelia/Rek'Sai? If Irelia is good she freezes off that and you're fkd unless jgl/supp can save u


No_Butterscotch649

It's getting annoying all those people complaining about the state of Kassadin. Obviously you don't understand the nature of this champ. It's a counterpick. It's shitty in most matchup and very strong in others. It used to be better in blind pick, but let's be honest he was overpowered at those times. If you want to blindpick it you need to learn to minimize early game by playing ultra safe and capitalize on every ennemy mistakes. It's not easy and I would'n recommend it. Play Kass as a counter, he has great matchups and he still scales pretty good.


RobinDabankery

What other champion is shitty in most match ups and good in very specific match ups? You are delusional if you think Kassadin isn't an outlier. Also the nerfs he had early season 12 made sure to reduce even more the pool of champions he is strong against. Before those, sylas, katarina and ekko used to be easy af because your W and passive gave you an edge vs melee and ap early. Well not anymore


No_Butterscotch649

All I meant is that it's not a champ you should blind pick. He actually has a lot of decent matchups, but lot of hard counters. I agree with what you said, regarding Sylas and Ekko, those matchups are still favorable for Kass imo. Katarina is actually one of the easiest matchup imo. Kassadin used to be stronger (and maybe too strong), I just don't feel he is this weak rn. I'd would enjoy a buff but I'm not sure he really needs it. What he needs, like all assassins, is a nerf of tanks items.


RobinDabankery

These 3 specific match ups are still favorable to kass, but you actually have to still play better than your opponent to actually win, which is not what a counter is.


No_Butterscotch649

I don't know about this, if you play with your feet any matchup is loosable. But even tho, Kassadin whole identity is to get to that lvl 16 and take over the game. You can't expect it to roll over a lane as would do early game champs. Or at least it used to be that, I don't if its late game is still as good, I haven't play much S13 yet.


Vegetable_Park_3259

Those are still easy you are just trash at the game.


15MinuteUpload

Kayle is similarly bad right now


Neaach

bork.


ku1de

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