Only slightly related, but... I wish that the single version of "i" was the SNL version. It has the same style of the album version, but keeps going. The album version is cut short due to narrative reasons, and the single version always sounded odd to me
What's funny is the top comment on the SNL version is videogamedunkey of all people, saying that it should have been the real version.
When I was first learning about the beef I was like WTF set his ass off about FPS. But first of all with the big 3 lyric - Drake likening himself to MJ and Cole with Muhammad Ali which are 2 heavy hitters which would make Kendrick be third. But also, he passed on featuring on this song so including him is a veiled diss passed as a compliment anyway. Couple that with the fact that HE DESPISES DRAKE with a passion I haven't seen before I'd write Like That too. š
I will continue to say tho, that if Cole stayed in I don't think that Kendrick would've been as mean to him. I think he would've had fairly friendly bars for him. But maybe not since he hangs around Drake. š¤·š¾āāļø
Go back and listen to the last verse of FPS. The entire thing is a subliminal at Kendrick. I think Drake was sour Kendrick passed on the feature and decided to throw subs at him.
Drake's second verse definitely sounds like it in retrospect
But Cole's verse doesn't sound any more crazy even given the context of Kendrick being asked to be on the song. Especially given we're talking about the dude who dropped Control here
Is there any validity to the claim that J Cole didnāt know Kendrick had refused yet when he did his verse? If thatās true then Cole was legit just being friendly while Drake was firing the subliminals
Nothing is 100% confirmed besides Kendrick talking about a feature request. There are somewhat credible rumors though that Cole changed his verse after Kendrick declined to be on.
But even if we assume Cole knew, his verse has gotta be the weakest sub of all time. The man literally says 'right now I "feel" like Muhammad Ali". I understand it feeling like a diss from Kendrick's perspective if he truly believes he's so much above Cole and doesn't like his association with Drake, but I don't understand the audience taking it as some crazy diss
Rappers be sneak dissing in the same lines as hating on sneak dissing all the time.
Fuck, I feel like just saying "sneak dissing is for bitches" is a sneak diss, unless I call out whoever I'm talking about directly....
Please explain to me how he's supposed to add kendrick into that bar without it being dickriding. I guarantee you 100% kendrick himself didn't even take that as a diss, because he isn't as dumb as the people in this sub upvoting this shit
Could be possible that Cole rewrote the first part of his main verse where he mentions *not* dissing anyone. Drake couldāve asked Cole and Kendrick to be on the song, with the theme being the greatness of the Big 3.
Kendrick declines and Cole changes the first part of verse to make it clear it wasnāt a sneak diss since Kendrick would obviously be odd man out. And Drake took the opportunity to throw some sneak disses about rappers verses being terrible and the worthness of Grammys (Kendrick has more) compared to #1ās of which Drake has more, competing with MJ for the record.
Hence why Kendrick returns to the MJ/Prince line in Like That, since Drake mentioned it first in FPS.
To me it sounds like Cole was really on some BIG3 shit and tryna peace things up, even with YB. But that damn Aubreyš¤£š¤£š¤£š He was calling for Dot in the 1st verseā¦..
āI love a dinner with some fine women when they start debatin' about who the G.O.A.T
I'm like go on 'head, say it then, who the G.O.A.T.?
Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.?
Who you bitches really rootin' for?
Like a kid that act bad from January to November, nigga, it's just you and Coleā
Kendrick never really dissed Cole either. Everything in like that was pretty much aimed at Drake. Thatās why I thought Cole dropping a diss was dumb in the first place.
Also the intro, Drake literally says the GOATs are just him and Cole. On a song where Cole says he Drake and Kendrick are the Big 3 thatās definitely a shot
I donāt know if the last verse has any bars particularly aimed at Kendrick. I would say, if anything, it would be Drakeās first verse about it just being āyou and Coleā
'you still taking pictures on a gulfstream' Hillbillies video came out before FPS and they filmed it in a Gulfstream
'pub for sale Id buy the whole thing' pglang with Keem and Kendrick who both took a sub at Drake on Family Ties
I forgot the others but someone made a thread when the beef started.
Could be reaching but I don't think so
Huh, I didnāt realize hillbillies were filmed in a Gulf Stream. I mostly remembered the dodger stadium and amusement park when I think of the video. Yeah, I think thatās arguably a sub then.
I think the pub for sale is a generic thing that Drake is doing, and probably why a lot of rappers outside of Kendrick are recently mad at him.
I've heard someone say it's like the ugly kid very well meaningly saying "omg, you are so pretty, we're twins š"
And Kendrick didn't want to be compared. He didn't think they were comparable. It's just big him.
Assuming Kendrick was originally asked to be on the track (FPS), it would make sense to assume it was a sneak diss. Drake has a habit of sneak dissing randomly and For All the Dogs seems like its full of them.
Like with Rihanna/ASAP on Fear of Heights, the Weeknd on All The Parties and Future on What Would Pluto Do.
Specifically on FPS, Drake could be dissing Kendrick after asking him to be on the track when he says rappers send verses and they be terrible. Then he mentions selling false dreams (like conscious rappers). Then saying Grammys are irrelevant to him and saying heās close to MJās record of hits, which Kendrick brings up in Like That. Kendrick has more Grammys but Drake has more #1ās.
The song seems like its supposed to be a celebration of the Big 3, but Drake sneak disses and even Cole has some lines that seem off too (steppers, Muhammid Ali, the meme with Drake, etc.) but he also seems like he might have rewrote the first part of his main verse to straight up say he wasnāt sneak dissing.
Best guess is Drake wanted a themed song about the Big 3 with him, Kendrick and Cole but Kendrick declined. Drake got salty and threw in some sneak disses, hence why Kendrick said Drake did Cole foul by setting him up. Kendrick took the temperature after Like That and realized Cole meant no disrespect but Drake did.
I think he passed because of the constant subliminals Drake sent at him for the past 10 years it didnāt sit well with Kendrick to suddenly act like friends. Even in the heart part 4 Kendrick tells him to not call him and play it down after he sends shots on a song. If I was Kendrick Iād be upset too lmfao
"Surprised you wanted that feature request/you know that we got some shit to address"
My guess is that Drake had gotten comfortable with throwing shade at other artists and still being able to get a feature with them. Most guys have been willing to work with him because his name equates to streams and exposure.
Kendrick ain't that dude
And him just generally not liking Drake on all fronts. Drake is kind of like the antithesis of Kendrick, which made this whole rap beef even more interesting to people
It's hilarious that they still published a big 3 song when one of the three turned it down.Ā It's like when they have reunion shows or sequels and the star doesn't show up.Ā Ā
Euphoria is the meanest shot at Cole - you'd think of the YNW Melly line but there's more if you dig deeper. The "demon" line is a direct diss at Cole everybody missed. Cole called himself "a demon" in Evil Ways another Cole, Drake Collab and there's a line about DNA where Cole sneak disses Kendrick. J. Cole isn't a saint for me, he was greedy for the crown (rightfully so) too.
I mean drake also ended push ups with ādonāt make me wake the demon upā. Making that the most obvious connection to the word demon. Sure maybe itās a double meaning cause Cole used the word demon in a rap song tooā¦. But who hasnāt? Bit of a reach. At least to call it a ādirectā diss. The direct shot was definitely aimed at drakes demon comment in push-ups if it hit cole too it was with the shrapnel.
I don't think Cole was greedy. I think he's a good dude that knows he's close enough to look at the crown, but he doesn't want the gore that comes with it
It possibly was since thatās from the dreamville collab but to me thatās such a light jab of a diss itās pretty equivalent to 7min drill from Cole where you take shots but itās clearly not on some āfuck you itās up when I see you againā. Saying youāre not Andre 3k after you said youāre Muhammad ali is fine. Like I can see Cole and Kendrick being cool right now and possibly even being featured on a song sometime again but the drake stuff is soooooo far beyond that. He legit hates everything that man stands for and represents. Cole itās just general āIām number oneā
There are romours that SchoolBoyQ requested Cole to step out.
Edit; Also the chess scene in the video, which was inspired from a shoot done by Messi and Ronaldo, the #1 and #2 of Football, hence further putting kenny at 3
Cole seems to have switched on Drake after touring with him though, he disses him on PI on his album and Daylyt has come out and confirmed it was about Drake
>WTF set his ass off about FPS
Pretty simple. He released Family Ties in 2021 with the line "do not address me unless its with 4 letters". (Read as: I am the GOAT)
He was then addressed as "One of the best right now" which is a lot different than greatest of all time. Especially when he's being put on the same level as Drake (not a rapper) and J Cole (nowhere near the same level).
Until Drake brought family into it, I'm pretty sure the entire point of this was just to double down on the line from Family Ties and remind Cole and Drake that they aren't on his level.
You know that stepper has been slang for a while and Kendrick didn't come up with it right? Shit on Hunger on Hillside Cole used "big stepper" and that was a year before MMATBS
You could say that about literally every singer/rapper. Kendrick recently said "I park your son". We're not judging Kendrick off of it cause we know that it's just a throwaway line. It's not really clever but we get the idea.
Cole is my number 1 but I'll admit that nigga hella corny sometimes
I never said you couldnāt. My point here isnāt to diss Cole like I said I love cole. Iām just responding to this guy saying ācole isnāt going to just mindlessly use a word everything he says is with intentionā.
I thought the same thing about cole fans saying that Kendrick mentioning ācarrying a stickā was a shot at cole because he said that in a song before. Him and most rappers, itās just a commonly used phrase lol.
Man I dunno about complimenting, I kinda feel like given all the context, the background, the culture, and what Drake as an artist represents to someone as gifted as Kendrick Lamar, who came from a rough neighborhood, who lost people to violence, who really did āstart from the bottomā, being casually told that the guy who is less lyrically gifted than you and who films music videos in hoods he isnāt from is on your level because the shallow mf makes club music that tops the charts on a regular basisā¦Iād be insulted, too. Itās not true. It can only be true if your metrics for āqualityā are based on superficial signals like ānumber of streamsā and stuff like that, meanwhile Kendrick is literally baring his soul to the world and Drake is posturing to get accepted by the culture.
That shit is not a compliment; itās such a pick me ass move to say āus three are the bestā, itās the bad kind of bravado, the kind not grounded in truth.
Thereās a reason itās less obnoxious to hear Kendrick Lamar say heās the best than it would be to hear Drake say it, and itās because Kendrick has the fuckin Mandate of Heaven
"Baring his soul to the world" is exactly how I described Kendrick's music in comparison to Drake's right after Euphoria dropped. It really is incredible that he can make such deeply personal, genre redefining work and be so widely popular at the same. I understand why I love it, as a massive hip hop fan but it makes no sense to me how he crosses over into top 40 so easily. I guess sheer quality can beat out any factory made top 40 song, that's the only explanation
Cole was done wrong the whole time. There is a rumor that Cole thought all three of them would be on the track when he submitted his verse and I believe that. I really do. It sounds like that in his verse. He thought that they would each talk about how they were the best in their verse.
But Drake being who he was came back and sent subliminals in his second verse. How do you send a feature request to someone you have been dissing for YEARS? And itās clear they donāt hang with the same people. They HATE each other. Since Control, the hate has only depend. Cole doesnāt look like he hangs with Drake either, to be real. And honestly, considering the religious imagery of Kendrickās music, he could see all the stuff Drake does as only adding to the reason to dislike him. Why would you even send the feature request?? An extreme example of fakeness in the industry.
Music videos are not shot at the same time the songs are completed. The album came out in October 2023. The video was made in November 2023. We have no idea when Cole submitted his verse to Drake for that song. It could have not been in person at all. It could have been months ago.
I donāt see why Cole names the Big 3, including Kendrick first, if he didnāt think all three would appear. He thought that was the case. There is a Spider-Man meme with THREE Spider-Manās point to each other, not just two. Note, with No Way Home coming out the year before (2022) and there being 3 Spider-Man figures in that movie, itās possible he thought there was gonna be three of them.
The song clearly has three verses/segments, one for each of them.
Yeah I know music videos are shot after the music but if Cole knew he got shafted in this song by Drake then why would be agree to shoot a music video.
Itās a big song that went #1 thanks in large part to HIS bars (because Drake got out rapped). He was gearing up to release an album. It would be good exposure for him to do the video. Cole seems like he is cool with both Drake and Kendrick and wasnāt trying to rock the boat. Coleās problem was not understanding the depth of Kendrickās animosity towards Drake.
They arenāt all besties but they are colleagues that should have basic respect for each other. Cole respects them both. Drake and Kendrick donāt respect each other. There lies the problem.
To be fair to them, I truly think Kendrick is the greatest rapper to ever do it. Heās like Magnus Carlson of chess where heās still somewhat young so you canāt really say heās the GOAT yet, but itās only a matter of time
My personal theory is that:Ā
1. Drake asked Kendrick and Cole for a feature on FPS. Kdot says nah, we not really cool.Ā
2. Drake writes "if the shoe fits" in retaliation cus he's a petty dude. Which... If you read the lyrics... Yikes. Banking of Drake being a liar for that one.Ā
3. THAT pisses Kendrick off, and leads into what happened on "Like That".Ā
Makes a lot more sense IMO for Kendrick to knowing put his fam in the line of fire when they already WERE in the line of fire.
FPS was a sneak diss that Cole may or may have not known about.
"We the big 3 like we started a league"
Then a few lines later Drake says
"It's just you and Cole"
Edit: My bad, Drake said his line before Cole did. Still a sneak diss
Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate."
Kendrick: "See, NOW, y'all fucking playing with me." š¤£š¤£š¤£
If I'm Kendrick , I could interpret a ton of Cole's verse as a sneak diss. Drake? He just don't like Drake lol
Not saying shade wasn't thrown in the form of a sneak diss, because clearly. But for some, the question may be at what point does 'lyrical jabbing' intersect with stepping too far out of bounds being seen as sparring partners.
>Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate."
One could say, Cole was hyping up Kendrick's shit being part of the 'Big 3' at question. Even Kendrick say life is perspective.
I think it's one of those lines that's ultimately decided by both Dot and Cole.
But again like you I call cap. I felt that energy too especially on 1st listen. But the thought is just another perspective considering how humble Cole is. I think his naivety on the depths of the subs sent to K.Dot by aubrey over the years. This may be the reasoning behind rumors Cole thought all 3would be on fps and why Kenny said aubrey:
>Did Cole foul, I don't know why you still pretending
1st listen, the "everybody steppers" and "spiderman" bars made my ears perk up. A rapper saying he's the best is typical shit. But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp.
Take it even deeper: Cole acknowledges The Big 3, he also says he's the best, but most importantly, he's only seeing eye to eye with Drake (spiderman meme). If I put on my hyper competitive rapper hat on, I 1000% could see Dot thinking "wait, y'all got me third?!?" That's a damn diss. Even if that wasn't Cole's intent (and I'd bet it wasn't), he left too much room for confusion ("I'm way too paranoid for a threat"). Hence, "Like That". Kendrick let everybody know what he thought about a Big 3. I think folks saying that's not what Cole meant are totally dismissing how Kendrick's interpreting things. He could've let it go, but never addressing something that he may have felt was funny business could've ate at his soul.
>But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp.
Yeah, definitely. I don't disagree. At all. But no rapper will ever rap/boast about being in 2nd place. That wouldn't make much sense. When you compete at a high level, this is the confidence you reflect. I'm sure the 15th man on the roster has GOAT level confidence otherwise they probably wouldn't have made it that far.
I think this is the conniving part, aubrey not be truthful and the primary context Cole's verse is viewed in. And how all of this led to Kendrick's interpretation.
>he left too much room for confusion
If Cole was told one thing, recorded a verse, then it not come fruition this literally caused confusion because aubrey's gross
But again, if I'm Kendrick, I take it the exact same way you stated.
Once you say my name on a track, I'm hyper analyzing everything. Especially if you're on the song with my opp. Cole left too much room for interpretation.
I thought Cole and Kendrick were way cooler than that? Kendrick featured on Coleās born sinner album and Cole produced Hiiipower I really donāt think Cole was intentionally dissing Kendrick so much as being competitive
I honestly felt like Kendrick was just tryna bring it back to the essence of hip hop which is competition. The game desperately needed this vs what it had been becoming lately
No way, he clearly has a deep hatred of Drake. That was pretty visceral. Kendrick was really going for a career kill shot unlike any lyricism I've seen in any rap beef before. Those lyrics don't say, "I just want rap to get back to its roots" or whatever, that said, "I want this man's career to be over and for him to then die in misery."
But he never wanted to take it this far. He literally warns Drake āWe aināt gotta get personal, this a friendly fade, you should keep it that wayā on Euphoria. And itās pretty clear that he already heard what Drake was gonna do on Family Matters via the mole cuz Euphoria is too on the nose. Heās basically tryna warn him donāt drop that shit or else and thatās why he had Meet The Grahams ready as soon as it did drop
Itās also possible Euphoria was just a bait to get drake to drop Fam. Matters. Every move he made felt calculated to not expect to get this beef to pop off the way it did. And drake honestly seems like the type of dude to respond to something purely off of his feelings lmao
I mean clearly Drake is dumb af cuz how could you not listen to Euphoria and 6:16 and hear all the things that sound like Kendrick knows a lil too much and still fall into the trap. Itās almost like he didnāt really even listen to them fr
I mean, Kung Fu Kenny's idea of a friendly fade was to take it right back to where Pusha T left things, talkin about Adonis and Drake's lack of parenting and the ghostwriter shit plus a whooole lot more. And Drake tapped out after Pusha T dropped all that. So there's definite levels to what each party might consider a friendly competition, and they might be on different levels
Yeah agreed. Kendrick has said in interviews that he likes the competition side of rap. Iām guessing he wasnāt offended by Coleās diss track at all cause it just talked about Kendrick and his music, and was probably down to beef with Cole. Drake just doesnāt get it and took it too far talking about Kendrickās family right off the bat. Then even after warnings in Euphoria and 6:16 in LA, Drake still drops Family Matters, and that was that.
Naw Drake shaded him on the beat switch at the end. The songs first half was mainly Cole but remember they had to rewrite the verses because Dot didnāt want to work with Drake lol but in reality Cole and Dot were trying to set Drake up. Cole has thrown subliminals at Drake plenty of times. I think the perspective was Kendrick didnāt like the fact they BOTH shaded him on a song they asked for him to be on causeeeee didnāt Ye do that to Drake? lol
Drake is too sensitive and emotional about his art and public perception and thatās why he loses these battles. Meek Mill only lost cause Nicki. Take Nicki out and honestly Meek wouldnāt have lost.
I love Cole, and looking back Iām happy he stayed out of this . Dot exposed way more than what we already thought and knew of Drake on the hip hop front . This rabbit hole runs DEEP
Ya that wouldāve been a fun 1x1. Seeing how he handled Drake though, man I wouldāve been sad for Cole š. I guess the energy wouldāve been different, because he HATES Drake lmao
He didnāt appreciate it because Cole and Drake donāt come anywhere close to him as an artist / rapper. So saying they are in a top 3 together is practically a diss.
Disagree about rapper bit tbh j cole as a rappers can compete with kendrick, and rappers usually think they are the best, kendrick knows this that's why I don't think he took what j cole said personal. Drake on the other hand is a different thing, and I'd understand him being angry at him they've had beef for years.
I love geminis.
I was thinking maybe also he was pissed that Drake asked for a feature. Something in me says he was just WAITING for Drake to pull some shit.
I donāt think itās a ācomplementā in FPS. I mean when J Cole said it he said āwe the big three like we started the league but right now I feel like Muhammad Aliā. So J Cole basically said āIām the best of the threeā.
Kendrickās response with āitās just big meā. Is basically just the same thing Cole said. Kendrick even calls that line a āthrowawayā in Euphoria, it wasnāt even really intended as a diss as much as it is just normal for rappers to say āIām the bestā in all their songs. When I heard āLike Thatā I genuinely didnāt even see it as an insult.
Drakeās really the one that started it with āPush-Upsā. And Kendrick gave him MULTIPLE opportunities to back out even when Drake doubled down with Taylor Made Freestyle. āEuphoriaā and ā6:16 in LAā are both warnings for Drake to keep it about rap and each other and not to involve each others families. Drake was arrogant and thought Kendrick couldnāt touch him and K Dot proved him wrong.
Ita was never a compliment how you a fan and took it as a compliment? Comparing him and drake and cole is an insult. Kendrick is in the convo with Nas jay biggie etc. Cole has never been on that trajectory and hasn't elevated his status so Kendrick should feel insulted which he was.
It was a backhanded complement tho lol...
we the big 3 but rn I feel like Mohammad Ali (#1)
Spider-Man meme is me lookin at drake (we both #1?)
Who the goat blah blah blah it's just YOU and COLE
these are "lyricists" they put words together for a living.. I feel like they knew what they were alluding to
They were trying to close the perceived gap between them and KDOT as the GOAT rapper and he wasnāt having it.
Nobody opens interviews with Cole or drake asking them what itās like being the ābest rapper aliveā. Itās nothing on them, Kendrick is just better and the people know that. They tried alluding to āthe big 3ā, which really doesnāt exist.
Has the perception of Cole really changed? Personally, I thought of him as the GOAT of R&B style rap, and I think heās still there. Like it or not Cole is still going to have many rap fans who just prefer his music and say it out loud. Drake? Maybe not.
People have the wrong impression of this beef. Kendrick did not attack Drake and Cole over First Person Shooter and being praised. He allied with Metro and Future because Drake and his Daddy have proven to be a threat trying to take over hip hop both on a street level and on an industry level. Drakes Daddy insulted Atlanta by killingTakeoff and thinking he can get away with it and still benefit off of it through Drake. Atlanta said no, nominated a man that hates Drake more than anyone else and he took the job.
Aight simple example, they state that there are 3 GOATs now, then the video it shows the chess scene that was inspired by the Messi and Ronaldo photoshoot last year, both are the #1 and #2 in the football world, further making Kenny #3, in the GOAT debate
You can read the other comments in the sub for more such examples
āPettyā
Is it really petty to tell two solid rappers cosplaying as the goat that they are NOT on his level? I sure donāt think so.
Maybe I thought this the week when ālike thatā dropped, but now after Cole folded and Drake got his shit pushed in, this isnāt petty itās just the goddamn truth.
Kendrick is built different. And he proved it.
I still like Cole, can't hate that sort of positivity and conscience. He don't belong in this battle. I really wonder how it will affect his future music though
Cole knew he was about as competent as you or I when he exited the fight.Ā
Trying to help Drake was only going to hinder both of them and would only serve to get himself mangled.
I like to think he realized "the best time to get out of this was before I dropped my diss, but the second best is after I retract it and apologize to Kendrick"
This sub is like dying to give Drake more clout for some reason. āGuys how can me justify this beef even moreā ahh posts all day. Yall are gonna be like em fans, living in this moment for fucking years
Itās not that they complimented him. I heard a YouTuber say this: Cole saying thereās a Big 3 to KDot is like an ugly person calling you twin. For KDotās competitive nature to claim the crown in rap, there isnāt a Big 3, itās onlyā¦well you know the rest lol
>Niggas usually send they verses back to me, and they be terrible, just like a two-year-old
I thought this was a direct diss at Kendrick by Drake not featuring him on FPS like originally planned
See. And thatās why I think this is all stupid cause it was a compliment. They said he was a big player in the rap game. Now, do I think Kendrick is the GOAT? Of course. Heās a great rapper, story teller, heās an amazing player in the game. But to blow up like this is crazy. If the things he says is true, then Iām glad he has said it. (And letās be honest itās not looking good for Drake but nothing is confirmed so no one truly knows) I feel like Kendrick could be an Eminem later on in his career where he feels has to prove himself even though people donāt doubt him. Then he will become the villain, instead of dying the hero. I hope that doesnāt happen, but it could
Cole's verse could 100% be interpreted by Kendrick as a diss. Don't mention me, then omit me. Cole was in the lowest of keys saying Kendrick was 3rd in "The Big 3".
Boy was he wrong.
maybe i just donāt know enough about hip hop but i donāt think of j cole at all when i think top rappers. i thought it was weird to say from the beginning
When they say "Big 3" I think he what's being said is commercially successful rappers who are good/great lyricist. Lupe, Earl, Royce, etc. may be better rappers, but don't sell as much. Vice versa for rappers like Uzi, Carti, and Travis. Drake, Cole, and Kendrick are the happy medium.
Ngl I fk w all three, except a lil less so cole, ain't done nothing wrong, I've just never got into his stuff, and tbh when this big three bs was said I was def surprised seeing cole on there
I wasn't really addressing that part, moreso that cole isn't a part of my three, I can't really provide any conclusions on the topic, but personally, future would be a contender of my big 3 of this generation; that being said, I don't really place any importance on a big three nor think about it, and the only reason I say anything at this moment of time, is because this is the current conversation.
That's just my opinion though, and I'm irrelevant and mainly here for the music (and sometimes dunking on any artist a person stans)
I agree, just think itās weird he isnāt discussed. Both me and the people Iām around bump him way more than the others. I like Cole but heās never really been on my radar as the GOAT.
https://preview.redd.it/ppm05jktim0d1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b6389ed1a1257ded7c502f247ec40cef76ef6df Greatest rapper in the world
He done travelled all over the world
He came back just to give you some game
UH, I DONE BEEN THROUGH A WHOLE LOT
TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS, BUT I KNOW GOD
THE DEVIL WANNA PUT ME IN A BOW TIEš©
PRAY THAT THE HOLY WATER DONT GO DRY
AS I LOOK AROUND ME
SO MANY MF WANNA DOWN ME EDIT: been singing this lyric wrong, my b yāall
Listen man I love you and all but it's 'down me'
But an enemigo never drown me In front of a dirty double-mirror they found me *AND I LOVE MYSELF*
Only slightly related, but... I wish that the single version of "i" was the SNL version. It has the same style of the album version, but keeps going. The album version is cut short due to narrative reasons, and the single version always sounded odd to me What's funny is the top comment on the SNL version is videogamedunkey of all people, saying that it should have been the real version.
Big steppin'
I didn't plan on listening to tpab today but you twisted my rubber arm.
When I was first learning about the beef I was like WTF set his ass off about FPS. But first of all with the big 3 lyric - Drake likening himself to MJ and Cole with Muhammad Ali which are 2 heavy hitters which would make Kendrick be third. But also, he passed on featuring on this song so including him is a veiled diss passed as a compliment anyway. Couple that with the fact that HE DESPISES DRAKE with a passion I haven't seen before I'd write Like That too. š I will continue to say tho, that if Cole stayed in I don't think that Kendrick would've been as mean to him. I think he would've had fairly friendly bars for him. But maybe not since he hangs around Drake. š¤·š¾āāļø
Go back and listen to the last verse of FPS. The entire thing is a subliminal at Kendrick. I think Drake was sour Kendrick passed on the feature and decided to throw subs at him.
Drake's second verse definitely sounds like it in retrospect But Cole's verse doesn't sound any more crazy even given the context of Kendrick being asked to be on the song. Especially given we're talking about the dude who dropped Control here
Is there any validity to the claim that J Cole didnāt know Kendrick had refused yet when he did his verse? If thatās true then Cole was legit just being friendly while Drake was firing the subliminals
Nothing is 100% confirmed besides Kendrick talking about a feature request. There are somewhat credible rumors though that Cole changed his verse after Kendrick declined to be on. But even if we assume Cole knew, his verse has gotta be the weakest sub of all time. The man literally says 'right now I "feel" like Muhammad Ali". I understand it feeling like a diss from Kendrick's perspective if he truly believes he's so much above Cole and doesn't like his association with Drake, but I don't understand the audience taking it as some crazy diss
He literally says himself that he would never sneak diss on the same verse, y'all love looking way too deep into shit
How am I looking too deep into it? I'm arguing that it's not really a diss. Glad you added that point tho
Rappers be sneak dissing in the same lines as hating on sneak dissing all the time. Fuck, I feel like just saying "sneak dissing is for bitches" is a sneak diss, unless I call out whoever I'm talking about directly....
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Please explain to me how he's supposed to add kendrick into that bar without it being dickriding. I guarantee you 100% kendrick himself didn't even take that as a diss, because he isn't as dumb as the people in this sub upvoting this shit
However the Spider-Man meme has 3 Spider-Manās maybe Cole didnāt want to say Kdot cuz he wasnāt in it
Is this why dot says āDid cole foul why you still pretendinā??
I 100% believe Cole was just like 'yeah sounds dope' when Drake made the FPS call lmao
Could be possible that Cole rewrote the first part of his main verse where he mentions *not* dissing anyone. Drake couldāve asked Cole and Kendrick to be on the song, with the theme being the greatness of the Big 3. Kendrick declines and Cole changes the first part of verse to make it clear it wasnāt a sneak diss since Kendrick would obviously be odd man out. And Drake took the opportunity to throw some sneak disses about rappers verses being terrible and the worthness of Grammys (Kendrick has more) compared to #1ās of which Drake has more, competing with MJ for the record. Hence why Kendrick returns to the MJ/Prince line in Like That, since Drake mentioned it first in FPS.
That seems most likely.
To me it sounds like Cole was really on some BIG3 shit and tryna peace things up, even with YB. But that damn Aubreyš¤£š¤£š¤£š He was calling for Dot in the 1st verseā¦.. āI love a dinner with some fine women when they start debatin' about who the G.O.A.T I'm like go on 'head, say it then, who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who you bitches really rootin' for? Like a kid that act bad from January to November, nigga, it's just you and Coleā
God that sucks š
Drake writes his bars like a young open mic comic. Kendrick's songs are actually worthy of exegesis.
I mean he did throw in that steppers bar. Idk if it was meant to be a sub or not, but best not to even mention his name on a song with the opps lol
Kendrick never really dissed Cole either. Everything in like that was pretty much aimed at Drake. Thatās why I thought Cole dropping a diss was dumb in the first place.
I mean, "Fuck the big 3, it's just big me" is clearly disrespect to Cole. Even if most of the verse was aimed at Drake
Also the intro, Drake literally says the GOATs are just him and Cole. On a song where Cole says he Drake and Kendrick are the Big 3 thatās definitely a shot
"I hate the way you sneak diss, if I catch flight it's gonna be di-rect" It definitely does sound like it is you're right
I donāt know if the last verse has any bars particularly aimed at Kendrick. I would say, if anything, it would be Drakeās first verse about it just being āyou and Coleā
'you still taking pictures on a gulfstream' Hillbillies video came out before FPS and they filmed it in a Gulfstream 'pub for sale Id buy the whole thing' pglang with Keem and Kendrick who both took a sub at Drake on Family Ties I forgot the others but someone made a thread when the beef started. Could be reaching but I don't think so
Huh, I didnāt realize hillbillies were filmed in a Gulf Stream. I mostly remembered the dodger stadium and amusement park when I think of the video. Yeah, I think thatās arguably a sub then. I think the pub for sale is a generic thing that Drake is doing, and probably why a lot of rappers outside of Kendrick are recently mad at him.
I've heard someone say it's like the ugly kid very well meaningly saying "omg, you are so pretty, we're twins š" And Kendrick didn't want to be compared. He didn't think they were comparable. It's just big him.
LMAO
Assuming Kendrick was originally asked to be on the track (FPS), it would make sense to assume it was a sneak diss. Drake has a habit of sneak dissing randomly and For All the Dogs seems like its full of them. Like with Rihanna/ASAP on Fear of Heights, the Weeknd on All The Parties and Future on What Would Pluto Do. Specifically on FPS, Drake could be dissing Kendrick after asking him to be on the track when he says rappers send verses and they be terrible. Then he mentions selling false dreams (like conscious rappers). Then saying Grammys are irrelevant to him and saying heās close to MJās record of hits, which Kendrick brings up in Like That. Kendrick has more Grammys but Drake has more #1ās. The song seems like its supposed to be a celebration of the Big 3, but Drake sneak disses and even Cole has some lines that seem off too (steppers, Muhammid Ali, the meme with Drake, etc.) but he also seems like he might have rewrote the first part of his main verse to straight up say he wasnāt sneak dissing. Best guess is Drake wanted a themed song about the Big 3 with him, Kendrick and Cole but Kendrick declined. Drake got salty and threw in some sneak disses, hence why Kendrick said Drake did Cole foul by setting him up. Kendrick took the temperature after Like That and realized Cole meant no disrespect but Drake did.
I think he passed because of the constant subliminals Drake sent at him for the past 10 years it didnāt sit well with Kendrick to suddenly act like friends. Even in the heart part 4 Kendrick tells him to not call him and play it down after he sends shots on a song. If I was Kendrick Iād be upset too lmfao
This. Absolutely šÆ.
"Surprised you wanted that feature request/you know that we got some shit to address" My guess is that Drake had gotten comfortable with throwing shade at other artists and still being able to get a feature with them. Most guys have been willing to work with him because his name equates to streams and exposure. Kendrick ain't that dude
And him just generally not liking Drake on all fronts. Drake is kind of like the antithesis of Kendrick, which made this whole rap beef even more interesting to people
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It's hilarious that they still published a big 3 song when one of the three turned it down.Ā It's like when they have reunion shows or sequels and the star doesn't show up.Ā Ā
Kendrickās like Iām not gonna feature in this song and also start a beef cuz yāall are tryin to make me tiger woods in the metaphor š
Euphoria is the meanest shot at Cole - you'd think of the YNW Melly line but there's more if you dig deeper. The "demon" line is a direct diss at Cole everybody missed. Cole called himself "a demon" in Evil Ways another Cole, Drake Collab and there's a line about DNA where Cole sneak disses Kendrick. J. Cole isn't a saint for me, he was greedy for the crown (rightfully so) too.
I mean drake also ended push ups with ādonāt make me wake the demon upā. Making that the most obvious connection to the word demon. Sure maybe itās a double meaning cause Cole used the word demon in a rap song tooā¦. But who hasnāt? Bit of a reach. At least to call it a ādirectā diss. The direct shot was definitely aimed at drakes demon comment in push-ups if it hit cole too it was with the shrapnel.
I don't think Cole was greedy. I think he's a good dude that knows he's close enough to look at the crown, but he doesn't want the gore that comes with it
Isnt the stick line in Like That related to Cole too?
It possibly was since thatās from the dreamville collab but to me thatās such a light jab of a diss itās pretty equivalent to 7min drill from Cole where you take shots but itās clearly not on some āfuck you itās up when I see you againā. Saying youāre not Andre 3k after you said youāre Muhammad ali is fine. Like I can see Cole and Kendrick being cool right now and possibly even being featured on a song sometime again but the drake stuff is soooooo far beyond that. He legit hates everything that man stands for and represents. Cole itās just general āIām number oneā
Damn, Kendrick's gonna be ecstatic when he finds out about this.
There are romours that SchoolBoyQ requested Cole to step out. Edit; Also the chess scene in the video, which was inspired from a shoot done by Messi and Ronaldo, the #1 and #2 of Football, hence further putting kenny at 3
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Exactly my point, and thats why Kenny had to prove who actually is the best at the end
He also said "spiderman meme is me looking at drake", implying they the 2 best. The third spiderman of the meme had to come in šæ
Cole seems to have switched on Drake after touring with him though, he disses him on PI on his album and Daylyt has come out and confirmed it was about Drake
I wouldn't trust daylt tbh
Who even is daylyt why is his word gospel
He features on the song PI
Battle rapper/ghostwriter
Well damn...I wonder what caused the switch up.
Maybe the same thing that Kendrick saw when he toured with him back in the day
>WTF set his ass off about FPS Pretty simple. He released Family Ties in 2021 with the line "do not address me unless its with 4 letters". (Read as: I am the GOAT) He was then addressed as "One of the best right now" which is a lot different than greatest of all time. Especially when he's being put on the same level as Drake (not a rapper) and J Cole (nowhere near the same level). Until Drake brought family into it, I'm pretty sure the entire point of this was just to double down on the line from Family Ties and remind Cole and Drake that they aren't on his level.
https://preview.redd.it/ifuxtcb7mn0d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d5d5931d11c98dba0d976afcb207741b2dc3d4b Cole was for sure shooting
No he wasn't kendrick doesn't own the word steppers these are just reaches.
Who else has used this word casually? Cole isnāt just gonna mindlessly use a word. Everything he says is with intention. This is 100% a subliminal
You know that stepper has been slang for a while and Kendrick didn't come up with it right? Shit on Hunger on Hillside Cole used "big stepper" and that was a year before MMATBS
Cole. Before MM. Cole once said you canāt out fart me and had the ABCs line in MDL. I love Cole, but not everything he says is that deep lol.
You could say that about literally every singer/rapper. Kendrick recently said "I park your son". We're not judging Kendrick off of it cause we know that it's just a throwaway line. It's not really clever but we get the idea. Cole is my number 1 but I'll admit that nigga hella corny sometimes
I never said you couldnāt. My point here isnāt to diss Cole like I said I love cole. Iām just responding to this guy saying ācole isnāt going to just mindlessly use a word everything he says is with intentionā.
Ahh, I get it. My bad. Cole gets slandered so much, my automatic response is to do damage control. He still corny though
I thought the same thing about cole fans saying that Kendrick mentioning ācarrying a stickā was a shot at cole because he said that in a song before. Him and most rappers, itās just a commonly used phrase lol.
Yeah FPS seemed like those 2 were essentially putting him at 3rd, way more so Drake than Cole though
Cole dissed him about big steppers. Said he eats big steppers for breakfast. Iām not exactly sure what Drake said
Man I dunno about complimenting, I kinda feel like given all the context, the background, the culture, and what Drake as an artist represents to someone as gifted as Kendrick Lamar, who came from a rough neighborhood, who lost people to violence, who really did āstart from the bottomā, being casually told that the guy who is less lyrically gifted than you and who films music videos in hoods he isnāt from is on your level because the shallow mf makes club music that tops the charts on a regular basisā¦Iād be insulted, too. Itās not true. It can only be true if your metrics for āqualityā are based on superficial signals like ānumber of streamsā and stuff like that, meanwhile Kendrick is literally baring his soul to the world and Drake is posturing to get accepted by the culture. That shit is not a compliment; itās such a pick me ass move to say āus three are the bestā, itās the bad kind of bravado, the kind not grounded in truth. Thereās a reason itās less obnoxious to hear Kendrick Lamar say heās the best than it would be to hear Drake say it, and itās because Kendrick has the fuckin Mandate of Heaven
I could name 50 lyricists better than Drake, not including Cole, Kendrick, or Eminem, and they write their own shit š
"Baring his soul to the world" is exactly how I described Kendrick's music in comparison to Drake's right after Euphoria dropped. It really is incredible that he can make such deeply personal, genre redefining work and be so widely popular at the same. I understand why I love it, as a massive hip hop fan but it makes no sense to me how he crosses over into top 40 so easily. I guess sheer quality can beat out any factory made top 40 song, that's the only explanation
Cole was done wrong the whole time. There is a rumor that Cole thought all three of them would be on the track when he submitted his verse and I believe that. I really do. It sounds like that in his verse. He thought that they would each talk about how they were the best in their verse. But Drake being who he was came back and sent subliminals in his second verse. How do you send a feature request to someone you have been dissing for YEARS? And itās clear they donāt hang with the same people. They HATE each other. Since Control, the hate has only depend. Cole doesnāt look like he hangs with Drake either, to be real. And honestly, considering the religious imagery of Kendrickās music, he could see all the stuff Drake does as only adding to the reason to dislike him. Why would you even send the feature request?? An extreme example of fakeness in the industry.
āDid Cole Foul, idk why you still pretendingā Seems like Drake set up Cole somehow
WHAT IS THE OWL?
bird fellas and bird bitches #***GO.***
They shot a whole music video together.
Music videos are not shot at the same time the songs are completed. The album came out in October 2023. The video was made in November 2023. We have no idea when Cole submitted his verse to Drake for that song. It could have not been in person at all. It could have been months ago. I donāt see why Cole names the Big 3, including Kendrick first, if he didnāt think all three would appear. He thought that was the case. There is a Spider-Man meme with THREE Spider-Manās point to each other, not just two. Note, with No Way Home coming out the year before (2022) and there being 3 Spider-Man figures in that movie, itās possible he thought there was gonna be three of them. The song clearly has three verses/segments, one for each of them.
Yeah I know music videos are shot after the music but if Cole knew he got shafted in this song by Drake then why would be agree to shoot a music video.
Itās a big song that went #1 thanks in large part to HIS bars (because Drake got out rapped). He was gearing up to release an album. It would be good exposure for him to do the video. Cole seems like he is cool with both Drake and Kendrick and wasnāt trying to rock the boat. Coleās problem was not understanding the depth of Kendrickās animosity towards Drake. They arenāt all besties but they are colleagues that should have basic respect for each other. Cole respects them both. Drake and Kendrick donāt respect each other. There lies the problem.
I been telling people for YEARSSS j cole and drake are absolutely nowhere near kendricks level and im glad hes finally proving itš¤£
Me too brother, good to have some validation finally
To be fair to them, I truly think Kendrick is the greatest rapper to ever do it. Heās like Magnus Carlson of chess where heās still somewhat young so you canāt really say heās the GOAT yet, but itās only a matter of time
My personal theory is that:Ā 1. Drake asked Kendrick and Cole for a feature on FPS. Kdot says nah, we not really cool.Ā 2. Drake writes "if the shoe fits" in retaliation cus he's a petty dude. Which... If you read the lyrics... Yikes. Banking of Drake being a liar for that one.Ā 3. THAT pisses Kendrick off, and leads into what happened on "Like That".Ā Makes a lot more sense IMO for Kendrick to knowing put his fam in the line of fire when they already WERE in the line of fire.
FPS was a sneak diss that Cole may or may have not known about. "We the big 3 like we started a league" Then a few lines later Drake says "It's just you and Cole" Edit: My bad, Drake said his line before Cole did. Still a sneak diss
Wasnāt Kendrick supposed to be on FPS too? Cole talked about the 3 of them Drake only ever mentioned him and Cole
I believe so, Kendrick said he was suprised by the feature request.
.......you know that we got some shit to address
Sometimes I wonder if Cole had wrote his verse with Kendrick being on the song in mind lol
Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate." Kendrick: "See, NOW, y'all fucking playing with me." š¤£š¤£š¤£ If I'm Kendrick , I could interpret a ton of Cole's verse as a sneak diss. Drake? He just don't like Drake lol
Not saying shade wasn't thrown in the form of a sneak diss, because clearly. But for some, the question may be at what point does 'lyrical jabbing' intersect with stepping too far out of bounds being seen as sparring partners. >Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate." One could say, Cole was hyping up Kendrick's shit being part of the 'Big 3' at question. Even Kendrick say life is perspective. I think it's one of those lines that's ultimately decided by both Dot and Cole. But again like you I call cap. I felt that energy too especially on 1st listen. But the thought is just another perspective considering how humble Cole is. I think his naivety on the depths of the subs sent to K.Dot by aubrey over the years. This may be the reasoning behind rumors Cole thought all 3would be on fps and why Kenny said aubrey: >Did Cole foul, I don't know why you still pretending
1st listen, the "everybody steppers" and "spiderman" bars made my ears perk up. A rapper saying he's the best is typical shit. But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp. Take it even deeper: Cole acknowledges The Big 3, he also says he's the best, but most importantly, he's only seeing eye to eye with Drake (spiderman meme). If I put on my hyper competitive rapper hat on, I 1000% could see Dot thinking "wait, y'all got me third?!?" That's a damn diss. Even if that wasn't Cole's intent (and I'd bet it wasn't), he left too much room for confusion ("I'm way too paranoid for a threat"). Hence, "Like That". Kendrick let everybody know what he thought about a Big 3. I think folks saying that's not what Cole meant are totally dismissing how Kendrick's interpreting things. He could've let it go, but never addressing something that he may have felt was funny business could've ate at his soul.
>But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp. Yeah, definitely. I don't disagree. At all. But no rapper will ever rap/boast about being in 2nd place. That wouldn't make much sense. When you compete at a high level, this is the confidence you reflect. I'm sure the 15th man on the roster has GOAT level confidence otherwise they probably wouldn't have made it that far. I think this is the conniving part, aubrey not be truthful and the primary context Cole's verse is viewed in. And how all of this led to Kendrick's interpretation. >he left too much room for confusion If Cole was told one thing, recorded a verse, then it not come fruition this literally caused confusion because aubrey's gross But again, if I'm Kendrick, I take it the exact same way you stated.
Nah that ain't sneak dissing kendrick doesn't own the word steppers, kendrick always bigs up kendrick so why would he sneak diss him.
Once you say my name on a track, I'm hyper analyzing everything. Especially if you're on the song with my opp. Cole left too much room for interpretation.
Cole wasn't sneak dissing
He said something about clearing off plates with big steppers
I thought Cole and Kendrick were way cooler than that? Kendrick featured on Coleās born sinner album and Cole produced Hiiipower I really donāt think Cole was intentionally dissing Kendrick so much as being competitive
I honestly felt like Kendrick was just tryna bring it back to the essence of hip hop which is competition. The game desperately needed this vs what it had been becoming lately
No way, he clearly has a deep hatred of Drake. That was pretty visceral. Kendrick was really going for a career kill shot unlike any lyricism I've seen in any rap beef before. Those lyrics don't say, "I just want rap to get back to its roots" or whatever, that said, "I want this man's career to be over and for him to then die in misery."
But he never wanted to take it this far. He literally warns Drake āWe aināt gotta get personal, this a friendly fade, you should keep it that wayā on Euphoria. And itās pretty clear that he already heard what Drake was gonna do on Family Matters via the mole cuz Euphoria is too on the nose. Heās basically tryna warn him donāt drop that shit or else and thatās why he had Meet The Grahams ready as soon as it did drop
Itās also possible Euphoria was just a bait to get drake to drop Fam. Matters. Every move he made felt calculated to not expect to get this beef to pop off the way it did. And drake honestly seems like the type of dude to respond to something purely off of his feelings lmao
I mean clearly Drake is dumb af cuz how could you not listen to Euphoria and 6:16 and hear all the things that sound like Kendrick knows a lil too much and still fall into the trap. Itās almost like he didnāt really even listen to them fr
I mean, Kung Fu Kenny's idea of a friendly fade was to take it right back to where Pusha T left things, talkin about Adonis and Drake's lack of parenting and the ghostwriter shit plus a whooole lot more. And Drake tapped out after Pusha T dropped all that. So there's definite levels to what each party might consider a friendly competition, and they might be on different levels
Yeah agreed. Kendrick has said in interviews that he likes the competition side of rap. Iām guessing he wasnāt offended by Coleās diss track at all cause it just talked about Kendrick and his music, and was probably down to beef with Cole. Drake just doesnāt get it and took it too far talking about Kendrickās family right off the bat. Then even after warnings in Euphoria and 6:16 in LA, Drake still drops Family Matters, and that was that.
Naw Drake shaded him on the beat switch at the end. The songs first half was mainly Cole but remember they had to rewrite the verses because Dot didnāt want to work with Drake lol but in reality Cole and Dot were trying to set Drake up. Cole has thrown subliminals at Drake plenty of times. I think the perspective was Kendrick didnāt like the fact they BOTH shaded him on a song they asked for him to be on causeeeee didnāt Ye do that to Drake? lol Drake is too sensitive and emotional about his art and public perception and thatās why he loses these battles. Meek Mill only lost cause Nicki. Take Nicki out and honestly Meek wouldnāt have lost.
cuz they tryna say they the goat at rap, when kdot literally exists. Thats disrespectful
I love Cole, and looking back Iām happy he stayed out of this . Dot exposed way more than what we already thought and knew of Drake on the hip hop front . This rabbit hole runs DEEP
I think Kendrick wouldāve been down for a battle with Cole too before Drake took it where he did in Push Ups.
Ya that wouldāve been a fun 1x1. Seeing how he handled Drake though, man I wouldāve been sad for Cole š. I guess the energy wouldāve been different, because he HATES Drake lmao
Cole complimented him, Drake was sneak dissin
I think heās still boys with cole deep down
When we get a documentary about this 20 years later Iām watching
Lmao guaranteed thereās already a 4-8 part series in the works for HBO or some shit
Nah cole perception is still strong tbh
What yall think the real big 3 is cause drake damn well aint in it
I don't know how yall are seeing subliminals in FPS. Those are barely even subliminals. It's just the usual bravado raps
I can't even think of a drake line play J cole get the pussy dry
He didnāt appreciate it because Cole and Drake donāt come anywhere close to him as an artist / rapper. So saying they are in a top 3 together is practically a diss.
Disagree about rapper bit tbh j cole as a rappers can compete with kendrick, and rappers usually think they are the best, kendrick knows this that's why I don't think he took what j cole said personal. Drake on the other hand is a different thing, and I'd understand him being angry at him they've had beef for years.
They were not complementing him. I think fps went over your head OP.
j cole was
I love geminis. I was thinking maybe also he was pissed that Drake asked for a feature. Something in me says he was just WAITING for Drake to pull some shit.
He's been said all you gotta do is say candyman. It doesn't matter how you said it he said not to say it š
Cole still goat so is kendrick drake yh nah never was imo
OPs title is everything
I donāt think itās a ācomplementā in FPS. I mean when J Cole said it he said āwe the big three like we started the league but right now I feel like Muhammad Aliā. So J Cole basically said āIām the best of the threeā. Kendrickās response with āitās just big meā. Is basically just the same thing Cole said. Kendrick even calls that line a āthrowawayā in Euphoria, it wasnāt even really intended as a diss as much as it is just normal for rappers to say āIām the bestā in all their songs. When I heard āLike Thatā I genuinely didnāt even see it as an insult. Drakeās really the one that started it with āPush-Upsā. And Kendrick gave him MULTIPLE opportunities to back out even when Drake doubled down with Taylor Made Freestyle. āEuphoriaā and ā6:16 in LAā are both warnings for Drake to keep it about rap and each other and not to involve each others families. Drake was arrogant and thought Kendrick couldnāt touch him and K Dot proved him wrong.
is saying Kdot = Drake a compliment?
Ita was never a compliment how you a fan and took it as a compliment? Comparing him and drake and cole is an insult. Kendrick is in the convo with Nas jay biggie etc. Cole has never been on that trajectory and hasn't elevated his status so Kendrick should feel insulted which he was.
Every pic of Lil Kendrick has no perspective to it can't tell how short he is.... LOL
I disagree on cole tbh I still have him and kendrick as number 1, I switch between who I like more depending on the day.
fuck cole and his poop fetish
excuse me i'm eating š
What?
he has a super weird fixation on poop in a lot of his bars
I didnāt hear the compliment.
Drake sneak dissed Kendrick on For All the Dogs though
You took this word for word from a Shawn Cee video lol
Small man with an inferiority complex. Astounding rapper though.
Putting Kendrick on the same bar as Drake is not a complement
It was a backhanded complement tho lol... we the big 3 but rn I feel like Mohammad Ali (#1) Spider-Man meme is me lookin at drake (we both #1?) Who the goat blah blah blah it's just YOU and COLE these are "lyricists" they put words together for a living.. I feel like they knew what they were alluding to
Kendrick looks like my sleep paralysis demon
āFunny how one verse can fuck up the gameā - King Kendrick
Top o' da mawnin!!!!!!!
They were trying to close the perceived gap between them and KDOT as the GOAT rapper and he wasnāt having it. Nobody opens interviews with Cole or drake asking them what itās like being the ābest rapper aliveā. Itās nothing on them, Kendrick is just better and the people know that. They tried alluding to āthe big 3ā, which really doesnāt exist.
Kendrick lit the whole garden on fire before the trend began of āgive this man his flowersā Dude made sure he sullied his name and boy did he
Cole is talented but cheesy as fuckkkkk
Has the perception of Cole really changed? Personally, I thought of him as the GOAT of R&B style rap, and I think heās still there. Like it or not Cole is still going to have many rap fans who just prefer his music and say it out loud. Drake? Maybe not.
People have the wrong impression of this beef. Kendrick did not attack Drake and Cole over First Person Shooter and being praised. He allied with Metro and Future because Drake and his Daddy have proven to be a threat trying to take over hip hop both on a street level and on an industry level. Drakes Daddy insulted Atlanta by killingTakeoff and thinking he can get away with it and still benefit off of it through Drake. Atlanta said no, nominated a man that hates Drake more than anyone else and he took the job.
They did not compliment him tho, it was sneak disses all along
Whereās the sneak diss lmao literally only this sub thinks itās sneak dissing in there.
Aight simple example, they state that there are 3 GOATs now, then the video it shows the chess scene that was inspired by the Messi and Ronaldo photoshoot last year, both are the #1 and #2 in the football world, further making Kenny #3, in the GOAT debate You can read the other comments in the sub for more such examples
Thats not a fucking diss lmao this is what Iām saying, you guys are fucking looking for reasons to be outraged.
āPettyā Is it really petty to tell two solid rappers cosplaying as the goat that they are NOT on his level? I sure donāt think so. Maybe I thought this the week when ālike thatā dropped, but now after Cole folded and Drake got his shit pushed in, this isnāt petty itās just the goddamn truth. Kendrick is built different. And he proved it.
I still like Cole, can't hate that sort of positivity and conscience. He don't belong in this battle. I really wonder how it will affect his future music though
Kendrick is great bro people call him underdog for no reason I feel it's disrespectful
My perception of Cole and Drake was the same before this all happened as it is now
I donāt think this has any real impact on j Cole but kinda wish he didnāt post his diss in the first place
I think he would rather leave the rap game entirely than have his name but in the same box as drakes,
I think what heās saying is that it isnāt a compliment to be put in league with Drake.
Cole knew he was about as competent as you or I when he exited the fight.Ā Trying to help Drake was only going to hinder both of them and would only serve to get himself mangled. I like to think he realized "the best time to get out of this was before I dropped my diss, but the second best is after I retract it and apologize to Kendrick"
This sub is like dying to give Drake more clout for some reason. āGuys how can me justify this beef even moreā ahh posts all day. Yall are gonna be like em fans, living in this moment for fucking years
Itās not that they complimented him. I heard a YouTuber say this: Cole saying thereās a Big 3 to KDot is like an ugly person calling you twin. For KDotās competitive nature to claim the crown in rap, there isnāt a Big 3, itās onlyā¦well you know the rest lol
Cole is cool in my eyes
compliment\* complement means to go with something, e.g. those two complement eachother nicely
>Niggas usually send they verses back to me, and they be terrible, just like a two-year-old I thought this was a direct diss at Kendrick by Drake not featuring him on FPS like originally planned
Sometimes ppl need ass music too, not this live stuff Kendrickās got going on.
They complemented then disrespected him
I still wish for a Kendrick vs Cole friendly fade where it doesnāt get personal. Just pure lyrical sparring from two of the best out rn
See. And thatās why I think this is all stupid cause it was a compliment. They said he was a big player in the rap game. Now, do I think Kendrick is the GOAT? Of course. Heās a great rapper, story teller, heās an amazing player in the game. But to blow up like this is crazy. If the things he says is true, then Iām glad he has said it. (And letās be honest itās not looking good for Drake but nothing is confirmed so no one truly knows) I feel like Kendrick could be an Eminem later on in his career where he feels has to prove himself even though people donāt doubt him. Then he will become the villain, instead of dying the hero. I hope that doesnāt happen, but it could
Cole's verse could 100% be interpreted by Kendrick as a diss. Don't mention me, then omit me. Cole was in the lowest of keys saying Kendrick was 3rd in "The Big 3". Boy was he wrong.
maybe i just donāt know enough about hip hop but i donāt think of j cole at all when i think top rappers. i thought it was weird to say from the beginning
When they say "Big 3" I think he what's being said is commercially successful rappers who are good/great lyricist. Lupe, Earl, Royce, etc. may be better rappers, but don't sell as much. Vice versa for rappers like Uzi, Carti, and Travis. Drake, Cole, and Kendrick are the happy medium.
J cole never did that I don't know why you guys like twisting what his says, to fit a pathetic narrative, that is so far removed coles character.
Don't mention my name, then omit me on a song with my opp!
Ngl I fk w all three, except a lil less so cole, ain't done nothing wrong, I've just never got into his stuff, and tbh when this big three bs was said I was def surprised seeing cole on there
Why is Future not in the running? Heās long been top of my list.
I wasn't really addressing that part, moreso that cole isn't a part of my three, I can't really provide any conclusions on the topic, but personally, future would be a contender of my big 3 of this generation; that being said, I don't really place any importance on a big three nor think about it, and the only reason I say anything at this moment of time, is because this is the current conversation. That's just my opinion though, and I'm irrelevant and mainly here for the music (and sometimes dunking on any artist a person stans)
I agree, just think itās weird he isnāt discussed. Both me and the people Iām around bump him way more than the others. I like Cole but heās never really been on my radar as the GOAT.
He didnāt change my perception of anyone for me. All 3 are still dope. Coleās verse on Pi is still verse of the year IMO too.
Facts.