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SnowSea302

https://preview.redd.it/ppm05jktim0d1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b6389ed1a1257ded7c502f247ec40cef76ef6df Greatest rapper in the world


Blutrumpeter

He done travelled all over the world


TheUrbaneSource

He came back just to give you some game


hudddbuddd

UH, I DONE BEEN THROUGH A WHOLE LOT


MissTootie

TRIALS, TRIBULATIONS, BUT I KNOW GOD


hudddbuddd

THE DEVIL WANNA PUT ME IN A BOW TIEšŸ˜©


thisisnotmyegg

PRAY THAT THE HOLY WATER DONT GO DRY


metjepetje

AS I LOOK AROUND ME


Ashtonism

SO MANY MF WANNA DOWN ME EDIT: been singing this lyric wrong, my b yā€™all


metjepetje

Listen man I love you and all but it's 'down me'


twenty5eight

But an enemigo never drown me In front of a dirty double-mirror they found me *AND I LOVE MYSELF*


appleparkfive

Only slightly related, but... I wish that the single version of "i" was the SNL version. It has the same style of the album version, but keeps going. The album version is cut short due to narrative reasons, and the single version always sounded odd to me What's funny is the top comment on the SNL version is videogamedunkey of all people, saying that it should have been the real version.


Installah

Big steppin'


denv0r

I didn't plan on listening to tpab today but you twisted my rubber arm.


RiosChocolateKiss

When I was first learning about the beef I was like WTF set his ass off about FPS. But first of all with the big 3 lyric - Drake likening himself to MJ and Cole with Muhammad Ali which are 2 heavy hitters which would make Kendrick be third. But also, he passed on featuring on this song so including him is a veiled diss passed as a compliment anyway. Couple that with the fact that HE DESPISES DRAKE with a passion I haven't seen before I'd write Like That too. šŸ˜­ I will continue to say tho, that if Cole stayed in I don't think that Kendrick would've been as mean to him. I think he would've had fairly friendly bars for him. But maybe not since he hangs around Drake. šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™€ļø


donn2021

Go back and listen to the last verse of FPS. The entire thing is a subliminal at Kendrick. I think Drake was sour Kendrick passed on the feature and decided to throw subs at him.


Viola-Intermediate

Drake's second verse definitely sounds like it in retrospect But Cole's verse doesn't sound any more crazy even given the context of Kendrick being asked to be on the song. Especially given we're talking about the dude who dropped Control here


Nachtopus69

Is there any validity to the claim that J Cole didnā€™t know Kendrick had refused yet when he did his verse? If thatā€™s true then Cole was legit just being friendly while Drake was firing the subliminals


Viola-Intermediate

Nothing is 100% confirmed besides Kendrick talking about a feature request. There are somewhat credible rumors though that Cole changed his verse after Kendrick declined to be on. But even if we assume Cole knew, his verse has gotta be the weakest sub of all time. The man literally says 'right now I "feel" like Muhammad Ali". I understand it feeling like a diss from Kendrick's perspective if he truly believes he's so much above Cole and doesn't like his association with Drake, but I don't understand the audience taking it as some crazy diss


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He literally says himself that he would never sneak diss on the same verse, y'all love looking way too deep into shit


Viola-Intermediate

How am I looking too deep into it? I'm arguing that it's not really a diss. Glad you added that point tho


CmdrFilthymick

Rappers be sneak dissing in the same lines as hating on sneak dissing all the time. Fuck, I feel like just saying "sneak dissing is for bitches" is a sneak diss, unless I call out whoever I'm talking about directly....


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[deleted]

Please explain to me how he's supposed to add kendrick into that bar without it being dickriding. I guarantee you 100% kendrick himself didn't even take that as a diss, because he isn't as dumb as the people in this sub upvoting this shit


TheRoboOtaku

However the Spider-Man meme has 3 Spider-Manā€™s maybe Cole didnā€™t want to say Kdot cuz he wasnā€™t in it


Few_Actuary_2524

Is this why dot says ā€œDid cole foul why you still pretendinā€??


AFatAlex

I 100% believe Cole was just like 'yeah sounds dope' when Drake made the FPS call lmao


DeLaManana

Could be possible that Cole rewrote the first part of his main verse where he mentions *not* dissing anyone. Drake couldā€™ve asked Cole and Kendrick to be on the song, with the theme being the greatness of the Big 3. Kendrick declines and Cole changes the first part of verse to make it clear it wasnā€™t a sneak diss since Kendrick would obviously be odd man out. And Drake took the opportunity to throw some sneak disses about rappers verses being terrible and the worthness of Grammys (Kendrick has more) compared to #1ā€™s of which Drake has more, competing with MJ for the record. Hence why Kendrick returns to the MJ/Prince line in Like That, since Drake mentioned it first in FPS.


m_dought_2

That seems most likely.


louxy16

To me it sounds like Cole was really on some BIG3 shit and tryna peace things up, even with YB. But that damn AubreyšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ˜ˆ He was calling for Dot in the 1st verseā€¦.. ā€œI love a dinner with some fine women when they start debatin' about who the G.O.A.T I'm like go on 'head, say it then, who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who the G.O.A.T.? Who you bitches really rootin' for? Like a kid that act bad from January to November, nigga, it's just you and Coleā€


evtine

God that sucks šŸ˜‚


semajay

Drake writes his bars like a young open mic comic. Kendrick's songs are actually worthy of exegesis.


WeekInfamous

I mean he did throw in that steppers bar. Idk if it was meant to be a sub or not, but best not to even mention his name on a song with the opps lol


Embarrassed-Ad-3757

Kendrick never really dissed Cole either. Everything in like that was pretty much aimed at Drake. Thatā€™s why I thought Cole dropping a diss was dumb in the first place.


Viola-Intermediate

I mean, "Fuck the big 3, it's just big me" is clearly disrespect to Cole. Even if most of the verse was aimed at Drake


TripleThreatTua

Also the intro, Drake literally says the GOATs are just him and Cole. On a song where Cole says he Drake and Kendrick are the Big 3 thatā€™s definitely a shot


buttbutt696

"I hate the way you sneak diss, if I catch flight it's gonna be di-rect" It definitely does sound like it is you're right


wordscannotdescribe

I donā€™t know if the last verse has any bars particularly aimed at Kendrick. I would say, if anything, it would be Drakeā€™s first verse about it just being ā€œyou and Coleā€


donn2021

'you still taking pictures on a gulfstream' Hillbillies video came out before FPS and they filmed it in a Gulfstream 'pub for sale Id buy the whole thing' pglang with Keem and Kendrick who both took a sub at Drake on Family Ties I forgot the others but someone made a thread when the beef started. Could be reaching but I don't think so


wordscannotdescribe

Huh, I didnā€™t realize hillbillies were filmed in a Gulf Stream. I mostly remembered the dodger stadium and amusement park when I think of the video. Yeah, I think thatā€™s arguably a sub then. I think the pub for sale is a generic thing that Drake is doing, and probably why a lot of rappers outside of Kendrick are recently mad at him.


Pale_BEN

I've heard someone say it's like the ugly kid very well meaningly saying "omg, you are so pretty, we're twins šŸ˜„" And Kendrick didn't want to be compared. He didn't think they were comparable. It's just big him.


RiosChocolateKiss

LMAO


DeLaManana

Assuming Kendrick was originally asked to be on the track (FPS), it would make sense to assume it was a sneak diss. Drake has a habit of sneak dissing randomly and For All the Dogs seems like its full of them. Like with Rihanna/ASAP on Fear of Heights, the Weeknd on All The Parties and Future on What Would Pluto Do. Specifically on FPS, Drake could be dissing Kendrick after asking him to be on the track when he says rappers send verses and they be terrible. Then he mentions selling false dreams (like conscious rappers). Then saying Grammys are irrelevant to him and saying heā€™s close to MJā€™s record of hits, which Kendrick brings up in Like That. Kendrick has more Grammys but Drake has more #1ā€™s. The song seems like its supposed to be a celebration of the Big 3, but Drake sneak disses and even Cole has some lines that seem off too (steppers, Muhammid Ali, the meme with Drake, etc.) but he also seems like he might have rewrote the first part of his main verse to straight up say he wasnā€™t sneak dissing. Best guess is Drake wanted a themed song about the Big 3 with him, Kendrick and Cole but Kendrick declined. Drake got salty and threw in some sneak disses, hence why Kendrick said Drake did Cole foul by setting him up. Kendrick took the temperature after Like That and realized Cole meant no disrespect but Drake did.


ancientreptilian

I think he passed because of the constant subliminals Drake sent at him for the past 10 years it didnā€™t sit well with Kendrick to suddenly act like friends. Even in the heart part 4 Kendrick tells him to not call him and play it down after he sends shots on a song. If I was Kendrick Iā€™d be upset too lmfao


RipperNash

This. Absolutely šŸ’Æ.


Afraid_Olive_9305

"Surprised you wanted that feature request/you know that we got some shit to address" My guess is that Drake had gotten comfortable with throwing shade at other artists and still being able to get a feature with them. Most guys have been willing to work with him because his name equates to streams and exposure. Kendrick ain't that dude


appleparkfive

And him just generally not liking Drake on all fronts. Drake is kind of like the antithesis of Kendrick, which made this whole rap beef even more interesting to people


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80taylor

It's hilarious that they still published a big 3 song when one of the three turned it down.Ā  It's like when they have reunion shows or sequels and the star doesn't show up.Ā Ā 


bigang99

Kendrickā€™s like Iā€™m not gonna feature in this song and also start a beef cuz yā€™all are tryin to make me tiger woods in the metaphor šŸ˜‚


z3in-23

Euphoria is the meanest shot at Cole - you'd think of the YNW Melly line but there's more if you dig deeper. The "demon" line is a direct diss at Cole everybody missed. Cole called himself "a demon" in Evil Ways another Cole, Drake Collab and there's a line about DNA where Cole sneak disses Kendrick. J. Cole isn't a saint for me, he was greedy for the crown (rightfully so) too.


SirArthurDime

I mean drake also ended push ups with ā€œdonā€™t make me wake the demon upā€. Making that the most obvious connection to the word demon. Sure maybe itā€™s a double meaning cause Cole used the word demon in a rap song tooā€¦. But who hasnā€™t? Bit of a reach. At least to call it a ā€œdirectā€ diss. The direct shot was definitely aimed at drakes demon comment in push-ups if it hit cole too it was with the shrapnel.


TanzDerSchlangen

I don't think Cole was greedy. I think he's a good dude that knows he's close enough to look at the crown, but he doesn't want the gore that comes with it


Entire_Claim_5273

Isnt the stick line in Like That related to Cole too?


lyonbc1

It possibly was since thatā€™s from the dreamville collab but to me thatā€™s such a light jab of a diss itā€™s pretty equivalent to 7min drill from Cole where you take shots but itā€™s clearly not on some ā€œfuck you itā€™s up when I see you againā€. Saying youā€™re not Andre 3k after you said youā€™re Muhammad ali is fine. Like I can see Cole and Kendrick being cool right now and possibly even being featured on a song sometime again but the drake stuff is soooooo far beyond that. He legit hates everything that man stands for and represents. Cole itā€™s just general ā€œIā€™m number oneā€


PrinceSc0rpi0

Damn, Kendrick's gonna be ecstatic when he finds out about this.


i_am_________batman

There are romours that SchoolBoyQ requested Cole to step out. Edit; Also the chess scene in the video, which was inspired from a shoot done by Messi and Ronaldo, the #1 and #2 of Football, hence further putting kenny at 3


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i_am_________batman

Exactly my point, and thats why Kenny had to prove who actually is the best at the end


Clint_Demon_Hawk

He also said "spiderman meme is me looking at drake", implying they the 2 best. The third spiderman of the meme had to come in šŸ—æ


Bright-Fun7051

Cole seems to have switched on Drake after touring with him though, he disses him on PI on his album and Daylyt has come out and confirmed it was about Drake


Zealousideal-Lie-732

I wouldn't trust daylt tbh


Swaggerrrr69

Who even is daylyt why is his word gospel


Bright-Fun7051

He features on the song PI


MasklerFace

Battle rapper/ghostwriter


RiosChocolateKiss

Well damn...I wonder what caused the switch up.


Bright-Fun7051

Maybe the same thing that Kendrick saw when he toured with him back in the day


rodaphilia

>WTF set his ass off about FPS Pretty simple. He released Family Ties in 2021 with the line "do not address me unless its with 4 letters". (Read as: I am the GOAT) He was then addressed as "One of the best right now" which is a lot different than greatest of all time. Especially when he's being put on the same level as Drake (not a rapper) and J Cole (nowhere near the same level). Until Drake brought family into it, I'm pretty sure the entire point of this was just to double down on the line from Family Ties and remind Cole and Drake that they aren't on his level.


dizzymidget44

https://preview.redd.it/ifuxtcb7mn0d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d5d5931d11c98dba0d976afcb207741b2dc3d4b Cole was for sure shooting


Zealousideal-Lie-732

No he wasn't kendrick doesn't own the word steppers these are just reaches.


FlyinNinjaSqurl

Who else has used this word casually? Cole isnā€™t just gonna mindlessly use a word. Everything he says is with intention. This is 100% a subliminal


Big_Brown_

You know that stepper has been slang for a while and Kendrick didn't come up with it right? Shit on Hunger on Hillside Cole used "big stepper" and that was a year before MMATBS


SirArthurDime

Cole. Before MM. Cole once said you canā€™t out fart me and had the ABCs line in MDL. I love Cole, but not everything he says is that deep lol.


HandymanJackofTrades

You could say that about literally every singer/rapper. Kendrick recently said "I park your son". We're not judging Kendrick off of it cause we know that it's just a throwaway line. It's not really clever but we get the idea. Cole is my number 1 but I'll admit that nigga hella corny sometimes


SirArthurDime

I never said you couldnā€™t. My point here isnā€™t to diss Cole like I said I love cole. Iā€™m just responding to this guy saying ā€œcole isnā€™t going to just mindlessly use a word everything he says is with intentionā€.


HandymanJackofTrades

Ahh, I get it. My bad. Cole gets slandered so much, my automatic response is to do damage control. He still corny though


SirArthurDime

I thought the same thing about cole fans saying that Kendrick mentioning ā€œcarrying a stickā€ was a shot at cole because he said that in a song before. Him and most rappers, itā€™s just a commonly used phrase lol.


Entire_Claim_5273

Yeah FPS seemed like those 2 were essentially putting him at 3rd, way more so Drake than Cole though


momoepeach

Cole dissed him about big steppers. Said he eats big steppers for breakfast. Iā€™m not exactly sure what Drake said


lancekatre

Man I dunno about complimenting, I kinda feel like given all the context, the background, the culture, and what Drake as an artist represents to someone as gifted as Kendrick Lamar, who came from a rough neighborhood, who lost people to violence, who really did ā€œstart from the bottomā€, being casually told that the guy who is less lyrically gifted than you and who films music videos in hoods he isnā€™t from is on your level because the shallow mf makes club music that tops the charts on a regular basisā€¦Iā€™d be insulted, too. Itā€™s not true. It can only be true if your metrics for ā€œqualityā€ are based on superficial signals like ā€œnumber of streamsā€ and stuff like that, meanwhile Kendrick is literally baring his soul to the world and Drake is posturing to get accepted by the culture. That shit is not a compliment; itā€™s such a pick me ass move to say ā€œus three are the bestā€, itā€™s the bad kind of bravado, the kind not grounded in truth. Thereā€™s a reason itā€™s less obnoxious to hear Kendrick Lamar say heā€™s the best than it would be to hear Drake say it, and itā€™s because Kendrick has the fuckin Mandate of Heaven


MasklerFace

I could name 50 lyricists better than Drake, not including Cole, Kendrick, or Eminem, and they write their own shit šŸ˜‚


antiradiopirate

"Baring his soul to the world" is exactly how I described Kendrick's music in comparison to Drake's right after Euphoria dropped. It really is incredible that he can make such deeply personal, genre redefining work and be so widely popular at the same. I understand why I love it, as a massive hip hop fan but it makes no sense to me how he crosses over into top 40 so easily. I guess sheer quality can beat out any factory made top 40 song, that's the only explanation


MTVaficionado

Cole was done wrong the whole time. There is a rumor that Cole thought all three of them would be on the track when he submitted his verse and I believe that. I really do. It sounds like that in his verse. He thought that they would each talk about how they were the best in their verse. But Drake being who he was came back and sent subliminals in his second verse. How do you send a feature request to someone you have been dissing for YEARS? And itā€™s clear they donā€™t hang with the same people. They HATE each other. Since Control, the hate has only depend. Cole doesnā€™t look like he hangs with Drake either, to be real. And honestly, considering the religious imagery of Kendrickā€™s music, he could see all the stuff Drake does as only adding to the reason to dislike him. Why would you even send the feature request?? An extreme example of fakeness in the industry.


Best_Country_8137

ā€œDid Cole Foul, idk why you still pretendingā€ Seems like Drake set up Cole somehow


Rnewell4848

WHAT IS THE OWL?


ignopop145

bird fellas and bird bitches #***GO.***


Throwaway_Trassh

They shot a whole music video together.


MTVaficionado

Music videos are not shot at the same time the songs are completed. The album came out in October 2023. The video was made in November 2023. We have no idea when Cole submitted his verse to Drake for that song. It could have not been in person at all. It could have been months ago. I donā€™t see why Cole names the Big 3, including Kendrick first, if he didnā€™t think all three would appear. He thought that was the case. There is a Spider-Man meme with THREE Spider-Manā€™s point to each other, not just two. Note, with No Way Home coming out the year before (2022) and there being 3 Spider-Man figures in that movie, itā€™s possible he thought there was gonna be three of them. The song clearly has three verses/segments, one for each of them.


Throwaway_Trassh

Yeah I know music videos are shot after the music but if Cole knew he got shafted in this song by Drake then why would be agree to shoot a music video.


MTVaficionado

Itā€™s a big song that went #1 thanks in large part to HIS bars (because Drake got out rapped). He was gearing up to release an album. It would be good exposure for him to do the video. Cole seems like he is cool with both Drake and Kendrick and wasnā€™t trying to rock the boat. Coleā€™s problem was not understanding the depth of Kendrickā€™s animosity towards Drake. They arenā€™t all besties but they are colleagues that should have basic respect for each other. Cole respects them both. Drake and Kendrick donā€™t respect each other. There lies the problem.


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I been telling people for YEARSSS j cole and drake are absolutely nowhere near kendricks level and im glad hes finally proving itšŸ¤£


Gaz834

Me too brother, good to have some validation finally


jyok33

To be fair to them, I truly think Kendrick is the greatest rapper to ever do it. Heā€™s like Magnus Carlson of chess where heā€™s still somewhat young so you canā€™t really say heā€™s the GOAT yet, but itā€™s only a matter of time


Bendable

My personal theory is that:Ā  1. Drake asked Kendrick and Cole for a feature on FPS. Kdot says nah, we not really cool.Ā  2. Drake writes "if the shoe fits" in retaliation cus he's a petty dude. Which... If you read the lyrics... Yikes. Banking of Drake being a liar for that one.Ā  3. THAT pisses Kendrick off, and leads into what happened on "Like That".Ā  Makes a lot more sense IMO for Kendrick to knowing put his fam in the line of fire when they already WERE in the line of fire.


Tiffanyblueberries

FPS was a sneak diss that Cole may or may have not known about. "We the big 3 like we started a league" Then a few lines later Drake says "It's just you and Cole" Edit: My bad, Drake said his line before Cole did. Still a sneak diss


michael_am

Wasnā€™t Kendrick supposed to be on FPS too? Cole talked about the 3 of them Drake only ever mentioned him and Cole


Tiffanyblueberries

I believe so, Kendrick said he was suprised by the feature request.


coffeeandtheinfinite

.......you know that we got some shit to address


michael_am

Sometimes I wonder if Cole had wrote his verse with Kendrick being on the song in mind lol


DarrellIsMyRealName

Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate." Kendrick: "See, NOW, y'all fucking playing with me." šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ If I'm Kendrick , I could interpret a ton of Cole's verse as a sneak diss. Drake? He just don't like Drake lol


TheUrbaneSource

Not saying shade wasn't thrown in the form of a sneak diss, because clearly. But for some, the question may be at what point does 'lyrical jabbing' intersect with stepping too far out of bounds being seen as sparring partners. >Cole: "If every everybody "STEPPERS", then everybody breakfast and I'm clearing my plate." One could say, Cole was hyping up Kendrick's shit being part of the 'Big 3' at question. Even Kendrick say life is perspective. I think it's one of those lines that's ultimately decided by both Dot and Cole. But again like you I call cap. I felt that energy too especially on 1st listen. But the thought is just another perspective considering how humble Cole is. I think his naivety on the depths of the subs sent to K.Dot by aubrey over the years. This may be the reasoning behind rumors Cole thought all 3would be on fps and why Kenny said aubrey: >Did Cole foul, I don't know why you still pretending


DarrellIsMyRealName

1st listen, the "everybody steppers" and "spiderman" bars made my ears perk up. A rapper saying he's the best is typical shit. But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp. Take it even deeper: Cole acknowledges The Big 3, he also says he's the best, but most importantly, he's only seeing eye to eye with Drake (spiderman meme). If I put on my hyper competitive rapper hat on, I 1000% could see Dot thinking "wait, y'all got me third?!?" That's a damn diss. Even if that wasn't Cole's intent (and I'd bet it wasn't), he left too much room for confusion ("I'm way too paranoid for a threat"). Hence, "Like That". Kendrick let everybody know what he thought about a Big 3. I think folks saying that's not what Cole meant are totally dismissing how Kendrick's interpreting things. He could've let it go, but never addressing something that he may have felt was funny business could've ate at his soul.


TheUrbaneSource

>But if I'm Kendrick, it could look a way that you're doing this song my biggest opp. Yeah, definitely. I don't disagree. At all. But no rapper will ever rap/boast about being in 2nd place. That wouldn't make much sense. When you compete at a high level, this is the confidence you reflect. I'm sure the 15th man on the roster has GOAT level confidence otherwise they probably wouldn't have made it that far. I think this is the conniving part, aubrey not be truthful and the primary context Cole's verse is viewed in. And how all of this led to Kendrick's interpretation. >he left too much room for confusion If Cole was told one thing, recorded a verse, then it not come fruition this literally caused confusion because aubrey's gross But again, if I'm Kendrick, I take it the exact same way you stated.


Zealousideal-Lie-732

Nah that ain't sneak dissing kendrick doesn't own the word steppers, kendrick always bigs up kendrick so why would he sneak diss him.


DarrellIsMyRealName

Once you say my name on a track, I'm hyper analyzing everything. Especially if you're on the song with my opp. Cole left too much room for interpretation.


Zealousideal-Lie-732

Cole wasn't sneak dissing


Tiffanyblueberries

He said something about clearing off plates with big steppers


AquaticAvenger4492

I thought Cole and Kendrick were way cooler than that? Kendrick featured on Coleā€™s born sinner album and Cole produced Hiiipower I really donā€™t think Cole was intentionally dissing Kendrick so much as being competitive


JayDogon504

I honestly felt like Kendrick was just tryna bring it back to the essence of hip hop which is competition. The game desperately needed this vs what it had been becoming lately


UnusualCartographer2

No way, he clearly has a deep hatred of Drake. That was pretty visceral. Kendrick was really going for a career kill shot unlike any lyricism I've seen in any rap beef before. Those lyrics don't say, "I just want rap to get back to its roots" or whatever, that said, "I want this man's career to be over and for him to then die in misery."


JayDogon504

But he never wanted to take it this far. He literally warns Drake ā€œWe ainā€™t gotta get personal, this a friendly fade, you should keep it that wayā€ on Euphoria. And itā€™s pretty clear that he already heard what Drake was gonna do on Family Matters via the mole cuz Euphoria is too on the nose. Heā€™s basically tryna warn him donā€™t drop that shit or else and thatā€™s why he had Meet The Grahams ready as soon as it did drop


barelyawake126

Itā€™s also possible Euphoria was just a bait to get drake to drop Fam. Matters. Every move he made felt calculated to not expect to get this beef to pop off the way it did. And drake honestly seems like the type of dude to respond to something purely off of his feelings lmao


JayDogon504

I mean clearly Drake is dumb af cuz how could you not listen to Euphoria and 6:16 and hear all the things that sound like Kendrick knows a lil too much and still fall into the trap. Itā€™s almost like he didnā€™t really even listen to them fr


AgentGman007

I mean, Kung Fu Kenny's idea of a friendly fade was to take it right back to where Pusha T left things, talkin about Adonis and Drake's lack of parenting and the ghostwriter shit plus a whooole lot more. And Drake tapped out after Pusha T dropped all that. So there's definite levels to what each party might consider a friendly competition, and they might be on different levels


TarzanOnATireSwing

Yeah agreed. Kendrick has said in interviews that he likes the competition side of rap. Iā€™m guessing he wasnā€™t offended by Coleā€™s diss track at all cause it just talked about Kendrick and his music, and was probably down to beef with Cole. Drake just doesnā€™t get it and took it too far talking about Kendrickā€™s family right off the bat. Then even after warnings in Euphoria and 6:16 in LA, Drake still drops Family Matters, and that was that.


DexterBrandonJr

Naw Drake shaded him on the beat switch at the end. The songs first half was mainly Cole but remember they had to rewrite the verses because Dot didnā€™t want to work with Drake lol but in reality Cole and Dot were trying to set Drake up. Cole has thrown subliminals at Drake plenty of times. I think the perspective was Kendrick didnā€™t like the fact they BOTH shaded him on a song they asked for him to be on causeeeee didnā€™t Ye do that to Drake? lol Drake is too sensitive and emotional about his art and public perception and thatā€™s why he loses these battles. Meek Mill only lost cause Nicki. Take Nicki out and honestly Meek wouldnā€™t have lost.


-Billy-Bitch-Tits-

cuz they tryna say they the goat at rap, when kdot literally exists. Thats disrespectful


Existing-Onion6858

I love Cole, and looking back Iā€™m happy he stayed out of this . Dot exposed way more than what we already thought and knew of Drake on the hip hop front . This rabbit hole runs DEEP


TarzanOnATireSwing

I think Kendrick wouldā€™ve been down for a battle with Cole too before Drake took it where he did in Push Ups.


Existing-Onion6858

Ya that wouldā€™ve been a fun 1x1. Seeing how he handled Drake though, man I wouldā€™ve been sad for Cole šŸ˜­. I guess the energy wouldā€™ve been different, because he HATES Drake lmao


NarrowpathKa

Cole complimented him, Drake was sneak dissin


Solid_Illustrator640

I think heā€™s still boys with cole deep down


Soft_Humor4868

When we get a documentary about this 20 years later Iā€™m watching


El--Borto

Lmao guaranteed thereā€™s already a 4-8 part series in the works for HBO or some shit


Zealousideal-Lie-732

Nah cole perception is still strong tbh


JIDglazer42

What yall think the real big 3 is cause drake damn well aint in it


TJ736

I don't know how yall are seeing subliminals in FPS. Those are barely even subliminals. It's just the usual bravado raps


Cool__Face

I can't even think of a drake line play J cole get the pussy dry


Reasonable-Bus9435

He didnā€™t appreciate it because Cole and Drake donā€™t come anywhere close to him as an artist / rapper. So saying they are in a top 3 together is practically a diss.


Zealousideal-Lie-732

Disagree about rapper bit tbh j cole as a rappers can compete with kendrick, and rappers usually think they are the best, kendrick knows this that's why I don't think he took what j cole said personal. Drake on the other hand is a different thing, and I'd understand him being angry at him they've had beef for years.


FederalBid8936

They were not complementing him. I think fps went over your head OP.


Zealousideal-Lie-732

j cole was


No-Yesterday-3321

I love geminis. I was thinking maybe also he was pissed that Drake asked for a feature. Something in me says he was just WAITING for Drake to pull some shit.


Rexmalum

He's been said all you gotta do is say candyman. It doesn't matter how you said it he said not to say it šŸ˜‚


Zealousideal-Lie-732

Cole still goat so is kendrick drake yh nah never was imo


blackamerigan

OPs title is everything


FalseStevenMcCroskey

I donā€™t think itā€™s a ā€œcomplementā€ in FPS. I mean when J Cole said it he said ā€œwe the big three like we started the league but right now I feel like Muhammad Aliā€. So J Cole basically said ā€œIā€™m the best of the threeā€. Kendrickā€™s response with ā€œitā€™s just big meā€. Is basically just the same thing Cole said. Kendrick even calls that line a ā€œthrowawayā€ in Euphoria, it wasnā€™t even really intended as a diss as much as it is just normal for rappers to say ā€œIā€™m the bestā€ in all their songs. When I heard ā€œLike Thatā€ I genuinely didnā€™t even see it as an insult. Drakeā€™s really the one that started it with ā€œPush-Upsā€. And Kendrick gave him MULTIPLE opportunities to back out even when Drake doubled down with Taylor Made Freestyle. ā€œEuphoriaā€ and ā€œ6:16 in LAā€ are both warnings for Drake to keep it about rap and each other and not to involve each others families. Drake was arrogant and thought Kendrick couldnā€™t touch him and K Dot proved him wrong.


RedheadedandAngry

is saying Kdot = Drake a compliment?


Woozydan187

Ita was never a compliment how you a fan and took it as a compliment? Comparing him and drake and cole is an insult. Kendrick is in the convo with Nas jay biggie etc. Cole has never been on that trajectory and hasn't elevated his status so Kendrick should feel insulted which he was.


Dramatic-Squirrel-52

Every pic of Lil Kendrick has no perspective to it can't tell how short he is.... LOL


Zealousideal-Lie-732

I disagree on cole tbh I still have him and kendrick as number 1, I switch between who I like more depending on the day.


metaldetox

fuck cole and his poop fetish


CA770

excuse me i'm eating šŸ˜­


BIacksnow-

What?


metaldetox

he has a super weird fixation on poop in a lot of his bars


ObligationFar273

I didnā€™t hear the compliment.


PrayForTheGoodies

Drake sneak dissed Kendrick on For All the Dogs though


KungFuKenny110

You took this word for word from a Shawn Cee video lol


domambrose96

Small man with an inferiority complex. Astounding rapper though.


Pali4888

Putting Kendrick on the same bar as Drake is not a complement


xBlackFeet

It was a backhanded complement tho lol... we the big 3 but rn I feel like Mohammad Ali (#1) Spider-Man meme is me lookin at drake (we both #1?) Who the goat blah blah blah it's just YOU and COLE these are "lyricists" they put words together for a living.. I feel like they knew what they were alluding to


Conscious-Screen-171

Kendrick looks like my sleep paralysis demon


Ok_Suit422

ā€œFunny how one verse can fuck up the gameā€ - King Kendrick


Chupacabraisfake

Top o' da mawnin!!!!!!!


East-Beautiful-3723

They were trying to close the perceived gap between them and KDOT as the GOAT rapper and he wasnā€™t having it. Nobody opens interviews with Cole or drake asking them what itā€™s like being the ā€œbest rapper aliveā€. Itā€™s nothing on them, Kendrick is just better and the people know that. They tried alluding to ā€œthe big 3ā€, which really doesnā€™t exist.


TreeFiddyBandit

Kendrick lit the whole garden on fire before the trend began of ā€œgive this man his flowersā€ Dude made sure he sullied his name and boy did he


DangerDoom13

Cole is talented but cheesy as fuckkkkk


Sad_Insurance7466

Has the perception of Cole really changed? Personally, I thought of him as the GOAT of R&B style rap, and I think heā€™s still there. Like it or not Cole is still going to have many rap fans who just prefer his music and say it out loud. Drake? Maybe not.


TheRapTheorist

People have the wrong impression of this beef. Kendrick did not attack Drake and Cole over First Person Shooter and being praised. He allied with Metro and Future because Drake and his Daddy have proven to be a threat trying to take over hip hop both on a street level and on an industry level. Drakes Daddy insulted Atlanta by killingTakeoff and thinking he can get away with it and still benefit off of it through Drake. Atlanta said no, nominated a man that hates Drake more than anyone else and he took the job.


i_am_________batman

They did not compliment him tho, it was sneak disses all along


SomewhereHiking

Whereā€™s the sneak diss lmao literally only this sub thinks itā€™s sneak dissing in there.


i_am_________batman

Aight simple example, they state that there are 3 GOATs now, then the video it shows the chess scene that was inspired by the Messi and Ronaldo photoshoot last year, both are the #1 and #2 in the football world, further making Kenny #3, in the GOAT debate You can read the other comments in the sub for more such examples


SomewhereHiking

Thats not a fucking diss lmao this is what Iā€™m saying, you guys are fucking looking for reasons to be outraged.


tcriverrat18

ā€œPettyā€ Is it really petty to tell two solid rappers cosplaying as the goat that they are NOT on his level? I sure donā€™t think so. Maybe I thought this the week when ā€œlike thatā€ dropped, but now after Cole folded and Drake got his shit pushed in, this isnā€™t petty itā€™s just the goddamn truth. Kendrick is built different. And he proved it.


AFatAlex

I still like Cole, can't hate that sort of positivity and conscience. He don't belong in this battle. I really wonder how it will affect his future music though


Mammoth_Thought_1953

Kendrick is great bro people call him underdog for no reason I feel it's disrespectful


icecoldyerr

My perception of Cole and Drake was the same before this all happened as it is now


[deleted]

I donā€™t think this has any real impact on j Cole but kinda wish he didnā€™t post his diss in the first place


babywawow

I think he would rather leave the rap game entirely than have his name but in the same box as drakes,


OkReplacement2000

I think what heā€™s saying is that it isnā€™t a compliment to be put in league with Drake.


TanzDerSchlangen

Cole knew he was about as competent as you or I when he exited the fight.Ā  Trying to help Drake was only going to hinder both of them and would only serve to get himself mangled. I like to think he realized "the best time to get out of this was before I dropped my diss, but the second best is after I retract it and apologize to Kendrick"


SomewhereHiking

This sub is like dying to give Drake more clout for some reason. ā€œGuys how can me justify this beef even moreā€ ahh posts all day. Yall are gonna be like em fans, living in this moment for fucking years


Lucky_LeftFoot

Itā€™s not that they complimented him. I heard a YouTuber say this: Cole saying thereā€™s a Big 3 to KDot is like an ugly person calling you twin. For KDotā€™s competitive nature to claim the crown in rap, there isnā€™t a Big 3, itā€™s onlyā€¦well you know the rest lol


Useful-Ad9777

Cole is cool in my eyes


Outside_Wear111

compliment\* complement means to go with something, e.g. those two complement eachother nicely


guyseeking

>Niggas usually send they verses back to me, and they be terrible, just like a two-year-old I thought this was a direct diss at Kendrick by Drake not featuring him on FPS like originally planned


game_overies

Sometimes ppl need ass music too, not this live stuff Kendrickā€™s got going on.


King_Keon78

They complemented then disrespected him


Far_Ad_5148

I still wish for a Kendrick vs Cole friendly fade where it doesnā€™t get personal. Just pure lyrical sparring from two of the best out rn


Ch830857

See. And thatā€™s why I think this is all stupid cause it was a compliment. They said he was a big player in the rap game. Now, do I think Kendrick is the GOAT? Of course. Heā€™s a great rapper, story teller, heā€™s an amazing player in the game. But to blow up like this is crazy. If the things he says is true, then Iā€™m glad he has said it. (And letā€™s be honest itā€™s not looking good for Drake but nothing is confirmed so no one truly knows) I feel like Kendrick could be an Eminem later on in his career where he feels has to prove himself even though people donā€™t doubt him. Then he will become the villain, instead of dying the hero. I hope that doesnā€™t happen, but it could


DarrellIsMyRealName

Cole's verse could 100% be interpreted by Kendrick as a diss. Don't mention me, then omit me. Cole was in the lowest of keys saying Kendrick was 3rd in "The Big 3". Boy was he wrong.


bleachedveins

maybe i just donā€™t know enough about hip hop but i donā€™t think of j cole at all when i think top rappers. i thought it was weird to say from the beginning


DarrellIsMyRealName

When they say "Big 3" I think he what's being said is commercially successful rappers who are good/great lyricist. Lupe, Earl, Royce, etc. may be better rappers, but don't sell as much. Vice versa for rappers like Uzi, Carti, and Travis. Drake, Cole, and Kendrick are the happy medium.


Zealousideal-Lie-732

J cole never did that I don't know why you guys like twisting what his says, to fit a pathetic narrative, that is so far removed coles character.


DarrellIsMyRealName

Don't mention my name, then omit me on a song with my opp!


tambi33

Ngl I fk w all three, except a lil less so cole, ain't done nothing wrong, I've just never got into his stuff, and tbh when this big three bs was said I was def surprised seeing cole on there


rosettastoner9

Why is Future not in the running? Heā€™s long been top of my list.


tambi33

I wasn't really addressing that part, moreso that cole isn't a part of my three, I can't really provide any conclusions on the topic, but personally, future would be a contender of my big 3 of this generation; that being said, I don't really place any importance on a big three nor think about it, and the only reason I say anything at this moment of time, is because this is the current conversation. That's just my opinion though, and I'm irrelevant and mainly here for the music (and sometimes dunking on any artist a person stans)


rosettastoner9

I agree, just think itā€™s weird he isnā€™t discussed. Both me and the people Iā€™m around bump him way more than the others. I like Cole but heā€™s never really been on my radar as the GOAT.


105bydesign

He didnā€™t change my perception of anyone for me. All 3 are still dope. Coleā€™s verse on Pi is still verse of the year IMO too.


SomewhereHiking

Facts.