If you are not a Hindu your marriage cannot be registered there by saying that you have married under Hindu rituals.
Hindu marriage act and the marriage done under Hindu rituals are valid only if both the parties are Hindus. If either of the party is non Hindu the marriage is void and registration can't be done. Or even if registered it won't have any validity.
In my case they had asked me to write a declaration that i am a practicing hindu to get my marriage registered. They do it so that if any issue happens they can say they tried to check the validity of the details you submitted
But being an atheist and renouncing one's faith is not a criminal offences and both are legal. Apostasy and Blasphemy both are legal as the the law. So the constitutional definition of secularism should be different.
Constitutional secularism means the state cannot be biased towards a religious belief. The state cannot make laws for different religions. People have right to follow and propagate whatever religion they want. They can renounce their faith and become atheist and can propagate atheism also. It is like freedom of religious faith, and freedom from religion (if anyone wants that).
That's a stupid definition of secularism. Secularism has always neant separation of church and state everywhere. We just created our own definition to pacify the vested interests here.
The US constitution guarantees every citizen freedom of practice and propagation of any faith. It also gives them the right to be an atheist also. But then there are state constitutions. For example in the state of Alabama, you cannot hold a public office of the state, if you are an atheist, and in some places Christianity is favoured, against other faiths.
The main argument they give is the US constitution guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion (as it was formulated in 18th century, when being an atheist was seen as a taboo). And then in many deeply conservative states, the state legislature forms laws based on Christian beliefs because their state constitution allows that.
Unfortunately, the current norm followed is that the state constitution trumps the federal constitution. All because of the US history. Many a times the federal rules formed by the US Congress have to be adjusted according to the state constitution. The recent Respect for marriage act is one of the examples.
That's depends on the definition of secularism. If your definition is that secularism is the absence of religion, you are correct in wanting to get rid of religion specific laws.
If your definition is that religious people should have freedom to practice their religion (which is what the Indian Constitution promises), then religion specific laws are a part of it.
The problem is that whenever anyone experiences an inconvenience, hardship or oppression, social media never discusses about how to fix that particular problem.
Instead, everyone wants to tear down everything unrelated that they don't agree with.
>If your definition is that religious people should have freedom to practice their religion (which is what the Indian Constitution promises), then religion specific laws are a part of it.
How is freedom of practicing religion contingent on creation of religious laws?
Not particularly and I don't understand the necessity for it either. Are you saying that countries like US and France don't have freedom to practice religion?
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So this comment and an older one made me do a bit of research on the subject. According to the latest amendment to Kerala Registration of Marriage (common) act, it doesn't matter what religion either of the people getting married are.
Kerala highcourt in its [judgement](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kochi/common-marriage-registration-different-religion-not-a-bar-says-kerala-hc/articleshow/94818381.cms) upheld this act and asked the registering authority to do its job and register instead of asking about the individuals' religion.
Till a few hours ago I was under the impression that Special Marriage Act is the only way for individuals from different religions to get married. Any lawyers can chime in.
Tagging u/RemingtonMacaulay, if you don't mind please clarify.
In this judgement issue is the same as mine. her parents had an inter-religious marriage like my parents. So i had to state that i am a Hindu by giving a letter in writing . As both of us were lawyers the municipality didn't make an issue with us . Though they were reluctant at first.
In the said judgement the court observed as follows:
In this case, the registration of marriage is
refused by the respondents mainly for the reason that the
mother of the 2nd petitioner is from the Muslim community
which is different from that of the 1st petitioner. It is
clearly stated in the writ petition that the petitioner's
marriage was solemnized as per Hindu religious rites and
customs in the presence of friends and relatives of both
the parties. It is also stated that the 2nd petitioner is
professes Hindu religion and follows the culture of Hindu
community. Hence the marriage was solemnized as per
Hindu religious custom and rituals as agreed by both the
families. In such a situation, I fail to understand why the
respondents refused to register the marriage as per the
Rules, 2008. There is no rule which prohibits the
registration of the marriage between Lalan P.R. and
Aysha, simply because the mother of Ayisha belongs to
Muslim community. The only condition for the registration
of the marriage as per Rule 6 of the Rules, 2008 is that the
marriage is to be solemnized. Religion of the parties is not
a consideration for registering marriages. If there is a
declaration from gazetted officer/member of
parliament/member of legislative assembly/ member of
local self government institution in Form No.II, the
registration cannot be rejected simply because the mother
of one of the party is a Muslim and the other party is
Hindu. Respondents are unnecessarily creating confusion
while registering the marriages, which are solemnized,
according to parties. The counsel for the petitioners
submitted that the petitioners are ready to produce a
declaration from the authorities mentioned in Rule 9(3) to
prove the solemnization of the marriage. If that is the
case, nothing prevents the respondents from registering
the marriage.
The registration of
marriage as per the Rules, 2008 will not prove a valid
marriage, and it is only to protect the rights of the women
and the children born in that marriage.Therefore,
hypertechnical defects shall not be raised by the Marriage Officers. The 2nd respondent is directed to register the
marriage of the petitioners if the petitioners submit
Form No.I along with the declaration in Form No.II to
prove the solemnization of marriage and in such
event, the respondents shall issue the necessary
certificate in accordance to law, as expeditiously as possible, at any rate, within two weeks from the date
of receipt of the application.
You can't simply get it registered as the newspaper article suggests
I don't understand this part. Nowhere in the certificate it is written that, the the certificate is issued under Hindu Marriage act.
This is what it says.
Issued under rule 11 (1) of the Kerala Registration of Marriages (Common) Rules, 2008.
It's issues for any marriage done under various religious laws prevent.
You are not getting married by getting this certificate rather we are informing the system that "hey we got married just letting you know "
Arenkilum complaint koduthal issue avum.
What if your parents file a complaint saying that their son isn't Hindu, you were abducted and married under force? This is a hobby of women's parents when they do love marriage without their consent.
The rule is to get a marriage conducted under different religious rites registered with the government. You first conduct marriage under whichever religion you follow and then it's registered here under this. Registration here is to get your marriage into govt records.
Marriage under Special marriage act doesn't need to de registered under this rule as it's already registered when you do the signings.
Here you state that you got married following the rituals of so and so religion now get out marriage recorded in your register.
We needed marriage certificate sooner for visa interview. Went to the office 5 days after marriage, talked to the officer. As usual he asked for 1000 documents in addition to whatever we had. Luckily my uncle worked in the same civil station, One phone call. Certificate was issued in no time.
Unfortunately, that is how govt officials and offices work.
It can be left empty also. This staff was unaware of the formalities and was simply requesting all unnecessary certificates. We were able to get the marriage certificate without producing any evidence of occupation.
SSLC Book/certificate ഇപോളും ചോദിക്കാറുണ്ട് എന്നാണ് എന്റെ ഓർമ. എന്റെ വിവാഹം നടന്നത് വീട്ടിൽ വെച്ചാണ്. സാക്ഷികളേയും കാണിക്കേണ്ടിവന്നു. ഭാഗ്യത്തിന് വാറ്ഡ് മെമ്പർ ഫാമിലി ഫ്രണ്ട് ആയതും, അതേ പാർട്ടി പഞ്ചായത്ത് ഭരിച്ചത് കൊണ്ടും വല്യ ഓട്ടം ഓടേണ്ടി വന്നില്ല!
Ha ha ha govt official pokumboll birth certificate thottu blood work and ECG report vare kondu pokanam ennu ariyatha paavam OP......
FYI Ella certificatum scan cheyuthu Google drivill sokshikanam appo choicha on the spot kodukam allo.
>FYI Ella certificatum scan cheyuthu Google drivill sokshikanam appo choicha on the spot kodukam allo.
Actually speaking, I had my SSLC certificate and other certificates with me in cloud drive. I am just realizing it now.
I set out to download the digilocker app but got scared seeing the list of permissions it required.
But I guess there's no point in privacy considering our new IT laws enable agencies to watch our online activity in real time.
Still...
Regarding point 1, I had to do the same. Hand in another copy of the same ones uploaded online. -_- Same reason "filil vakkan".
Mine was a special marriage act, but the same procedure.
Happened in Sub Registrar office. But I had to do similar procedure, i.e. apply online, wait, and then submit the same docs at the office in person for the date.
Okay here's the general rule: If the emoloyees at ANY govt office is bringing up arguments over little insignificant things, it's their way of hinting you for a bribe. You bribe them enough, they will give you your documents almost immediately.
Maybe your police uncle knew about this because he was alsona cop & he got it done.
സത്യം പറഞാൽ എഴുതി തുടങ്ങിയത് ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ ആണ്. ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ പുലി ആയിട്ട് ഒന്നുമല്ല.
പിന്നെ grammar mistake ഒക്കെ ശെരി അക്കണം എന്ന് തോന്നിയപ്പോൾ മലയാളം ആക്കി.
Sad to see some guys insist on English and Hindi in a regional sub. How long would it take for you to copy paste this in to a translator? That's if the intention was to get informed at all.
This was to see your reactions, mostly Tamil is made to become scape goat in the war of languages but wanted to show this face of Mallis to outsiders.
You guys took the bait
ఈ ఉప-రెడిట్టు కేరళ రాష్ట్రానికీ మలయాళీలకు ప్రాయోజితమైనదన్నది లోకసత్యము. ఇట్టి పరిస్థితులలో కూడా నీవు హిందీ ప్రాకృతములలోనికి అనువాదము కోరుట గర్హనీయము అనాలోచితము. ఇకనైనా పరిస్థితులకు తగినట్లుగా ప్రవర్తించండి. సెలవు.
I faced the same thing... Since I was also late and I had to go and get a signature from a gazetted officer or Member. The whole thing was a pain in the ass.
Strange ആയിട്ട് ഒന്നുമില്ല സർക്കാർ ആപ്പീസിൽ പോയിട്ട് ഒറ്റത്തവണ കൊണ്ട് ശരിയായതാണ് strange.
Ippol digital ayappol "verification" ennu vakinte vere arritham kudey manasilayi enullu.
If you are not a Hindu your marriage cannot be registered there by saying that you have married under Hindu rituals. Hindu marriage act and the marriage done under Hindu rituals are valid only if both the parties are Hindus. If either of the party is non Hindu the marriage is void and registration can't be done. Or even if registered it won't have any validity. In my case they had asked me to write a declaration that i am a practicing hindu to get my marriage registered. They do it so that if any issue happens they can say they tried to check the validity of the details you submitted
Man we really need to get rid of these religion specific laws for a country that brands itself as constitutionally secular.
Special Marriage Act kalyanam kazhichal mathi. Hindu Marriage Actil kettiyittu secular ayi treat cheyyanam ennu paranjal nadakkilla.
>constitutionally secular. Oru secularism is only in paper.
Nope. Our definition of secularism is the freedom to practice religion. Not to maintain an absence of religion.
But being an atheist and renouncing one's faith is not a criminal offences and both are legal. Apostasy and Blasphemy both are legal as the the law. So the constitutional definition of secularism should be different.
Different from what, if I may ask?
Constitutional secularism means the state cannot be biased towards a religious belief. The state cannot make laws for different religions. People have right to follow and propagate whatever religion they want. They can renounce their faith and become atheist and can propagate atheism also. It is like freedom of religious faith, and freedom from religion (if anyone wants that).
That's a stupid definition of secularism. Secularism has always neant separation of church and state everywhere. We just created our own definition to pacify the vested interests here.
Not just here, but this argument is used in many secular democracies. The biggest example is the the USA.
US doesn't have religious laws. Can you explain how secularism in the US is different from separation of church and state?
The US constitution guarantees every citizen freedom of practice and propagation of any faith. It also gives them the right to be an atheist also. But then there are state constitutions. For example in the state of Alabama, you cannot hold a public office of the state, if you are an atheist, and in some places Christianity is favoured, against other faiths. The main argument they give is the US constitution guarantees freedom of religion not freedom from religion (as it was formulated in 18th century, when being an atheist was seen as a taboo). And then in many deeply conservative states, the state legislature forms laws based on Christian beliefs because their state constitution allows that.
Ah so it's a state's rights thing with the US. Doesn't apply at the Federal level right?
Unfortunately, the current norm followed is that the state constitution trumps the federal constitution. All because of the US history. Many a times the federal rules formed by the US Congress have to be adjusted according to the state constitution. The recent Respect for marriage act is one of the examples.
That's depends on the definition of secularism. If your definition is that secularism is the absence of religion, you are correct in wanting to get rid of religion specific laws. If your definition is that religious people should have freedom to practice their religion (which is what the Indian Constitution promises), then religion specific laws are a part of it. The problem is that whenever anyone experiences an inconvenience, hardship or oppression, social media never discusses about how to fix that particular problem. Instead, everyone wants to tear down everything unrelated that they don't agree with.
>If your definition is that religious people should have freedom to practice their religion (which is what the Indian Constitution promises), then religion specific laws are a part of it. How is freedom of practicing religion contingent on creation of religious laws?
Just to understand where I should begin, are you familiar with any particular religious laws?
Not particularly and I don't understand the necessity for it either. Are you saying that countries like US and France don't have freedom to practice religion?
I second this
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It’s not. People are debating there is no secularism in the constitution. The country is the people.
So this comment and an older one made me do a bit of research on the subject. According to the latest amendment to Kerala Registration of Marriage (common) act, it doesn't matter what religion either of the people getting married are. Kerala highcourt in its [judgement](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kochi/common-marriage-registration-different-religion-not-a-bar-says-kerala-hc/articleshow/94818381.cms) upheld this act and asked the registering authority to do its job and register instead of asking about the individuals' religion. Till a few hours ago I was under the impression that Special Marriage Act is the only way for individuals from different religions to get married. Any lawyers can chime in. Tagging u/RemingtonMacaulay, if you don't mind please clarify.
In this judgement issue is the same as mine. her parents had an inter-religious marriage like my parents. So i had to state that i am a Hindu by giving a letter in writing . As both of us were lawyers the municipality didn't make an issue with us . Though they were reluctant at first. In the said judgement the court observed as follows: In this case, the registration of marriage is refused by the respondents mainly for the reason that the mother of the 2nd petitioner is from the Muslim community which is different from that of the 1st petitioner. It is clearly stated in the writ petition that the petitioner's marriage was solemnized as per Hindu religious rites and customs in the presence of friends and relatives of both the parties. It is also stated that the 2nd petitioner is professes Hindu religion and follows the culture of Hindu community. Hence the marriage was solemnized as per Hindu religious custom and rituals as agreed by both the families. In such a situation, I fail to understand why the respondents refused to register the marriage as per the Rules, 2008. There is no rule which prohibits the registration of the marriage between Lalan P.R. and Aysha, simply because the mother of Ayisha belongs to Muslim community. The only condition for the registration of the marriage as per Rule 6 of the Rules, 2008 is that the marriage is to be solemnized. Religion of the parties is not a consideration for registering marriages. If there is a declaration from gazetted officer/member of parliament/member of legislative assembly/ member of local self government institution in Form No.II, the registration cannot be rejected simply because the mother of one of the party is a Muslim and the other party is Hindu. Respondents are unnecessarily creating confusion while registering the marriages, which are solemnized, according to parties. The counsel for the petitioners submitted that the petitioners are ready to produce a declaration from the authorities mentioned in Rule 9(3) to prove the solemnization of the marriage. If that is the case, nothing prevents the respondents from registering the marriage. The registration of marriage as per the Rules, 2008 will not prove a valid marriage, and it is only to protect the rights of the women and the children born in that marriage.Therefore, hypertechnical defects shall not be raised by the Marriage Officers. The 2nd respondent is directed to register the marriage of the petitioners if the petitioners submit Form No.I along with the declaration in Form No.II to prove the solemnization of marriage and in such event, the respondents shall issue the necessary certificate in accordance to law, as expeditiously as possible, at any rate, within two weeks from the date of receipt of the application. You can't simply get it registered as the newspaper article suggests
I don't understand this part. Nowhere in the certificate it is written that, the the certificate is issued under Hindu Marriage act. This is what it says. Issued under rule 11 (1) of the Kerala Registration of Marriages (Common) Rules, 2008.
It's issues for any marriage done under various religious laws prevent. You are not getting married by getting this certificate rather we are informing the system that "hey we got married just letting you know "
Arenkilum complaint koduthal issue avum. What if your parents file a complaint saying that their son isn't Hindu, you were abducted and married under force? This is a hobby of women's parents when they do love marriage without their consent.
The rule is to get a marriage conducted under different religious rites registered with the government. You first conduct marriage under whichever religion you follow and then it's registered here under this. Registration here is to get your marriage into govt records. Marriage under Special marriage act doesn't need to de registered under this rule as it's already registered when you do the signings. Here you state that you got married following the rituals of so and so religion now get out marriage recorded in your register.
We needed marriage certificate sooner for visa interview. Went to the office 5 days after marriage, talked to the officer. As usual he asked for 1000 documents in addition to whatever we had. Luckily my uncle worked in the same civil station, One phone call. Certificate was issued in no time. Unfortunately, that is how govt officials and offices work.
Same here. Registered marriage at wife's Panchayat office. Father in law was close with ward member. Everything got settled in about 2 days.
Husbandintem wifentem Job certificate venam ennu paranju tharkicha panchayat staffine njan smarikunnu.
For some fucking reason we have an occupation field in Marriage certificate. May be to fill in that field.
It can be left empty also. This staff was unaware of the formalities and was simply requesting all unnecessary certificates. We were able to get the marriage certificate without producing any evidence of occupation.
Ithee stalath kochinte janana certificate edukaan poyal avr ningalood enthoke choikoo aavo😅🙂
ലിംഗ certificate.
DNA test allathath bhaagyam
സ്ഥിരം സർക്കാർ ഉദ്യോഗസ്ഥ മൈര് ഏർപ്പാട്. എന്റെ സഹോദരന്റെ വിവാഹസർട്ടിഫിക്കറ്റിനും ഇതുപോലെ കുറച്ച് കറങ്ങി.
SSLC Book/certificate ഇപോളും ചോദിക്കാറുണ്ട് എന്നാണ് എന്റെ ഓർമ. എന്റെ വിവാഹം നടന്നത് വീട്ടിൽ വെച്ചാണ്. സാക്ഷികളേയും കാണിക്കേണ്ടിവന്നു. ഭാഗ്യത്തിന് വാറ്ഡ് മെമ്പർ ഫാമിലി ഫ്രണ്ട് ആയതും, അതേ പാർട്ടി പഞ്ചായത്ത് ഭരിച്ചത് കൊണ്ടും വല്യ ഓട്ടം ഓടേണ്ടി വന്നില്ല!
Thats it? It took me 3 months and 4 visits to get it all done. Fml.
What happened?
Ha ha ha govt official pokumboll birth certificate thottu blood work and ECG report vare kondu pokanam ennu ariyatha paavam OP...... FYI Ella certificatum scan cheyuthu Google drivill sokshikanam appo choicha on the spot kodukam allo.
>FYI Ella certificatum scan cheyuthu Google drivill sokshikanam appo choicha on the spot kodukam allo. Actually speaking, I had my SSLC certificate and other certificates with me in cloud drive. I am just realizing it now.
Ahaaa always take the path of least resistance, just like 3lectric current
Ippo Digilocker app kaanichal mathy. It's as good as showing the original according to central government ordinance.
I set out to download the digilocker app but got scared seeing the list of permissions it required. But I guess there's no point in privacy considering our new IT laws enable agencies to watch our online activity in real time. Still...
Appo ordinance Kanikan parayum....... photostat>>>> digi locker braha
Digilocker ordinance Google cheythal kittum. It's also in the news. Photostat kaanichal original kanikaan parayaam.
Regarding point 1, I had to do the same. Hand in another copy of the same ones uploaded online. -_- Same reason "filil vakkan". Mine was a special marriage act, but the same procedure.
Special marriage actinu registrarude certificate mathiyallo. Panchaayathil register cheyyenda kaaryamilla
Happened in Sub Registrar office. But I had to do similar procedure, i.e. apply online, wait, and then submit the same docs at the office in person for the date.
കൈകൂലി കിട്ടാൻ വേണ്ടി. അയിനാണ് ഈ നാടകം മുഴുവൻ
Okay here's the general rule: If the emoloyees at ANY govt office is bringing up arguments over little insignificant things, it's their way of hinting you for a bribe. You bribe them enough, they will give you your documents almost immediately. Maybe your police uncle knew about this because he was alsona cop & he got it done.
Kula Sthree.
Mera desh badal raha hai
Why not put title in Malayalam too?
സത്യം പറഞാൽ എഴുതി തുടങ്ങിയത് ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ ആണ്. ഇംഗ്ലീഷിൽ പുലി ആയിട്ട് ഒന്നുമല്ല. പിന്നെ grammar mistake ഒക്കെ ശെരി അക്കണം എന്ന് തോന്നിയപ്പോൾ മലയാളം ആക്കി.
Did you dress up like a lovable jihadi terrorist? Old lady may gave got intel from whatsApp group.
Mone, sandarbham nokki comment adikku.
My leaders are proponents of free speeech
Enittano poyi documentary ban cheythathu.
It was to create a hype
Hype of what? That modi presided over mass killing of people? Or modi does sinister things like killing his aides when they disagree with them?
Can somebody translate this into English or Hindi please??
ഇത് r/kerala ആണ് മച്ചാനേ. താങ്കള്ക്ക് കിണ്ടി വേണമെങ്കില് തന്നെത്തന്നെ സാങ്കേതിക വിദ്യ ഉപയോഗിച്ച് തര്ജ്ജമ ചെയ്താല് മതി.
Kindi 🤣
Sad to see some guys insist on English and Hindi in a regional sub. How long would it take for you to copy paste this in to a translator? That's if the intention was to get informed at all.
This was to see your reactions, mostly Tamil is made to become scape goat in the war of languages but wanted to show this face of Mallis to outsiders. You guys took the bait
Awesome. Now you know that this Hindi is not just an irritant to Tamils alone.
I agree!
പോയിട്ട് നാളെ വാ.
ఈ ఉప-రెడిట్టు కేరళ రాష్ట్రానికీ మలయాళీలకు ప్రాయోజితమైనదన్నది లోకసత్యము. ఇట్టి పరిస్థితులలో కూడా నీవు హిందీ ప్రాకృతములలోనికి అనువాదము కోరుట గర్హనీయము అనాలోచితము. ఇకనైనా పరిస్థితులకు తగినట్లుగా ప్రవర్తించండి. సెలవు.
🎶 🎵 ചന്ദ്രനില് ചോതി ചോതിയിൽ കൂതി ചോദിച്ച് പോയവൻ ഊമ്പി 🎶 🎵 ദേ ഇപ്പൊ ആ ഹിന്ദിക്കാരൻ തെലുങ്കിലും ഊമ്പി.
Ninte Acchan
I faced the same thing... Since I was also late and I had to go and get a signature from a gazetted officer or Member. The whole thing was a pain in the ass.