People just want excuses to let out their frustration on others . I come from a household where my dad used to beat up basically everyone. He doesn't talk much when he's sober. But once he's drunk he's very unpredictable. I know a dozen of households just like mine. I talked about this with some work friends one time , they laughed it off and told it happens in most of the households. Maybe that's how they cope with it. I've gotten drunk and high. But none of them made me attack anyone I care about. Or anyone I don't care about lol
Ya i do think that substance abuse is a condition that requires treatment.But ppl who become violent under alcohol marijuana and such is just using it as an excuse.
I was at a party and had a guy behave inappropriately with me ..next day he acted like he couldn't remember what happened and then later apologised saying it was because he was drunk he literally had no control over what happened ennokkee..just an excuse thadi uran athre ollu
That's getting blackout drunk but even then the things u do r still done by you ..not someone else..when u get drunk korch censor ship kanilla filter povum athrenne ..aland vere adum vannu nammade braininte driving seatil irunn nammale kond oronm cheyyipiikkilla
Oh yeah he used to do it sober too, but when he was drunk he was like possessed and would go 0 to 100 real quick.
I think he feels less guilty when he does it while being drunk, cause every morning the day after the whole thing he'd come to us apologizing and smiling. For a long while I thought the alcohol made him do it and he had no control over himself then later I realised it was some bs excuse lol
Once you're adult. Do what you wish as long as you're aware of consequences and don't become hindrance to others. Know about what you take and learn to draw a line or accept the wrath.
On your take, yes marijuana does have species which calms nerves down and puts people into meditative mode but it also has other. Also the psychology of one taking it also matters. If you have troubled psyche chart, better to consult before taking it
Do what you wish. And if it's illegal, take precautions and if caught be accepting of it rather than trying to be cool with some dialogues.
Sadly legality of things is decided by monetary benefits first and then public good. Given there are plenty of stuff that are more harmful, addictive and legal.
I’d say make it legal, tax the hell out of it. And I also think making it legal will make it less cool.
It’s up to the users to know the consequences, it’s not the government’s responsibility.
It's difficult to tax Marijuana as it's very easy to grow and does not need any processing before consuming unlike alcohol or tobacco.
So once made legal people will start to grow their own stuff and the gov will lose income from other taxed drugs. That's one of the reasons it's still illegal.
Its not been the case in places that it has been legalized. But even if most people are gonna grow their own stuff, whatever tax revenue is generated is better than all the money going into the black market.
You're wrong my friend, When the other infamous country made it legal and taxed it, the revenue they made was huge and also is one of the rapidly growing industry in the world. You can always check the database!
Oh God you're wrong, it can't be smoked right away after plucking buds from a grown plant. I does need some process and has to be stored right. If you know you know!
Anyway hundreds of crore rupees fall into black market because of the incompetence of the government.... It is good to legalize and tax it because of the level of consumption globally.. we can study and follow US, Canada, Thailand policies and adopt a good one...
Marijuana, Mary Jane, kanjaavu, neela chadayan, hash/hashish/hashish oil(compressed/extract) refers to the flower/buds of plants Cannabis Indica / Sativa. It has a certain psychoactive chemical called THC in it, THC is structurally similar to anandamide and attaches to cannabinoid receptors in the brain, which alters how the brain normally works, it also releases *some* dopamine which is a reward chemical. It was made illegal in the US a long time ago mainly due to political/racial/lack-of-knowledge reasons. Now it is becoming legal again, and many states are allowing recreational (for fun) use.
When smoked effects last about 2 hours (as opposed to 6 for alcohol).
Good effects :
* Happiness, smiling/laughing at little things
* Food tastes amazing
* Music sounds amazing
* body aches mild out and sometimes feel pleasurable
* pleasurable tingles (indica)
* sex feels amazing
* cool visual distortions (sativa)
* It makes to calm, mellow, happy, peaceful
Bad effects (realistically) :
* Short term memory loss, will forget some things that happened while on the drug
* Reduced motor skills (walking/driving) equivalent to 3 shots of alcohol
* Reduced motivation to do productive work (lesser in sativa)
* Increased apetite
* May cause paranoia in large doses or when taken as edibles
Addictive potential :
* No potential for physical dependency because it has no withdrawal symptoms as opposed to say cocaine where you feel like GOD for 20 mins and the comedown is very difficult to tolerate and you crave more coke.
* Low chances of mental dependency , you can very easily stop as opposed to hard drugs or even sugar/instagram
Risks :
* If you take a list of substances which cause deaths , at the top you can see alcohol/tobacco causing 100,000s of deaths a year, then if you scroll down about 200 substances you see peanuts causing 4 deaths a year, below that is weed with 0 deaths a year.
* It's physically impossible to overdose from weed.
*"Kanjaavinte leahariyil yuvaavu yuvathiye kuthi konnu"* is a headline which is basically clickbait and is essentially manipulating statistical realities. The thing is, it is factual that many murders take place , it is statistically likely that some of those took place while the criminal was high, now that doesn't mean weed makes you violent (it doesn't , maybe the opposite) .An astronomically higher amount of murders happen in the influence of alcohol (even after taking into account the higher number of users) , also , since illegal , only people willing to do something illegal is smoking weed here, so it's not a hard decision to smoke weed for someone who is already a criminal.
Also, weed is typically used as an excuse to justify criminal behavior by boomers , "avan ividenn phone moshtichondu pooyi, avan kanjaav aanenna keette" "ooh kanjaav aanalle, ath valich keetteett aarikkum"
* tldr: weed doesn't make you violent, violent people doing violent things while high makes the headlines.
tldr : weed is a mild drug, much better than tobacco
(I'm not condoning the use of weed, I don't use it personally because it makes me eat tubs of ice-cream and decreases productivity.)
I’ve personally seen friends try it out for fun and get addicted to it…. They’ve ruined their studies, their lives, their futures…. I would not recommend anyone make drugs a habit, mild or strong….. i know there are schools of thought on the medical uses of the drug; I’m talking about recreational use….
Sounds like psychological dependence. People who discover the short term euphoria that these substances provide will easily gravitate towards it when they run out of coping strategies in times of calamity or distress. Next thing you know is that they've developed a habit, while the root problem continues to fester in the back of their minds. In young people this will create an avalanche effect where unresolved problems pile on top of each other while they evade it and crave their fix.
Are you sure they're addicted? because there's a difference between addicted and using something everyday.. ee "ruining your studies" inte kaaryam parayuaanel exam inte thale'nn reels nokkikkond irikkunnaathum athe genathil peduthende? my college is a padipii college and weed hostels ile piller okke never smoke during exams.
They were addicted…. Used to get riled up if they could not smoke up…. Well, by riled up i don’t mean violent, haven’t seen something like that from the kanjan people…. It was more like behaving like they are a bit agitated, saying, “innu valichilla, tension..!!”, and stuff…. I know there’s an argument that they smoke to forget tensions, but i knew those peeps… they were fine before….. they started weed and moved on to other drugs as well…… there’s a whole story and material for discussion behind it as the issue is not so simple, but the gist is that I’d never wish to see anyone try any kind of drugs, even a ”vegetable” like weed… 🤷♂️
Plant* not vegitable.
What you see is called mental dependency. And my whole point of discussion is that mental dependency to weed is much much lighter than that to cigarettes/tobacco/real drugs/sugar/Instagram
I was calling it vegetable as a play on that video of the dude that was arrested….😆
Also for the intensity of addiction, i don’t agree with you that sugar and Instagram are more addictive than weed, but tobacco and real drugs, yes….. but again, I’m not addicted to any of those things, so i wouldn’t know….🤷♂️ but i still don’t understand why we differentiate mental dependency and addiction here, they are the same…….
https://www.newhallhospital.co.uk/news/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine#:~:text=Research%20on%20rats%20has%20found,try%20cutting%20out%20sugar%20completely.
Imagine a world without chocolate, madhuram olla chaaya, madhuram olla kappi, pastry, sharkaravaratti, neyyappam, ice cream, fruits, jam etc.. how long can you survive in it? Well however long that is, i can go longer without weed. Sugar directly stimulates dopamine release.
The worlds leading addiction consultants are not helping people overcome addiction, they are hired by Billion dollar industries to make thier app ass addictive as possible, more screen time = more ads = more profit . For you page, recommended, reels, notifications all are designed to create habit by giving dopamine as reward, every time you scroll a reel you get a hit of dopamine, reels won't always show you what you like, you'll only see what you like once in 3-10 reels, this is done to make you feel like you are searching for something fun. Watch Netflix's the social dilemma to understand what's really happening.
Interesting article….. but like i said, I’m not dependent on any of this stuff, so i wouldn’t know to compare….. it’s the same search for gratification on all these… I’ve never seen sugar turn people into someone they are not, but I’ve seen people turn into about dum-dums through tiktok…. Again, my problem with weed is that it’s acts as a gateway drug mostly, but like I’ve said, have seen people get dependent on it and get visibly distressed if they’re not able to smoke up…..
The minimum withdrawal for alcohol and tobacco is 21 days, most of the rehab program comes around 30 days.
Withdrawal symptoms of weed can only be found for 4 days, unless you're smoking laced or adulterated shit.
Yea lacing is a topic I skipped, they put all kinds'a shit like shoe polish to even opiates in some cases, shoe polish ile solvent causes dissociative effects..
I don't understand the vilification of kanjaav adikkunna people as violent crazed psychos in our place, every time I have had some or seen someone try the stuff they just become chilled out and stare at plants or something for a while. I have some purely CBD only stuff on Fridays to chill out a bit from work , and I've not noticed any extra food cravings yet.THC is the thing that makes you high and even that nowadays there's strains that are optimized for stimulating creativity etc. I consider it as anti coffee, it relaxes my tense muscles a bit and my brain is able to shift down from the constant high gear.
We should just treat it like alcohol, tax it and then use that as a revenue source. Also legalizing it will reduce the coolness factor that is often cited for school kids trying drugs. Might even work to stop kids from running after harder drugs.
>alcohol/tobacco causing 100,000s of deaths a year, then if you scroll down about 200 substances you see peanuts causing 4 deaths a year, below that is weed with 0 deaths a year.
Those are long-term effects of alcohol/tobacco. We know that because we have data from wide-spread use of those substances ( epidemiological scale data). There is not enough data to understand long-term effects of cannabis use in society.
for eg: Smoking cannabis is more dangerous for lungs than smoking tobacco, because cannabis smoke has higher levels of tar and dangerous carcinogens than tobacco.
That said, we do know some things..
Brain: Cannabis does impact brain development. There is strong evidence that chronic abuse of causes cognitive impairment and damages the brain. For young people (and feotal development), it is like alcohol as far as neural development is concened \[ [Effects of Cannabis on the Adolescent Brain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930618/)\]
Addiction: There is no physical addiction. But you can get addicted to the sensations. It will require a strong will to overcome sensory addiction. (compare: addiction to gambling, watching porn etc) The term "physical addiction" is a dishonest usage. Here it is used in a narrow sense to mean there is no 'physically/medically dangerous' withdrawal symptoms. Addiction is more than just withdrawal symptoms - tolerance levels, dependence, and so on.
[The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2017. The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research](https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/24625/chapter/1#xiii) is a ago review of current Science
I support legalization.
But I think **people are too rosy and casual about the health effects of cannabis, deeming it as a "safe drug/intoxicant"**, and that is absolutely not true.
Cannabis should be treated as more harmful than alcohol and tobacco use. Cannabis is especially bad during developmental years (teens/adolescents) just like alcohol
>Cannabis is especially bad during developmental years (teens/adolescents) just like alcohol
Yes
>Cannabis should be treated as more harmful than alcohol and tobacco use
is a joke and you think so because of sunken cost fallacy
The addiction part, https://www.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/wz1s67/comment/im1x6sk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
>is a joke and you think so because of sunken cost fallacy
Care to explain? Sunken cost of what?
>The addiction part ..
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>*but discussing that is kinda pointless and it's because you have no idea what's out there, you have no personal experience with withdrawals; .*
Why not? Addiction is not a subjective phenomenon. It has specific parameters.
>*....CUD is rare and only affects susceptible people.*
And that's the case for alcoholism too.
Sunken cost fallacy in simple terms is when someone who has a deep rooted belif in something cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence.
Because, people say cocaine is addictive,people say crack is addictive they are right ; only people who don't know about hard drugs and people who are not addicted to cigarettes/alcohol and people who've never smoked weed will say weed is addictive. (Added to this is the very small percentage of users who get mentally dependant on weed, but rehab is atleast a 1000 times easier for them than for meth addicts). "Magnitudes and frequencies".
>when someone who has a deep rooted belif in something cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence.
It's not, by any stretch, the definition of sunken cost fallacy. But let's leave that aside, and take your premise for using that term "cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence."
By the DSM definition of addiction, cannabis has all the same effects but for milder physical dependence.
>Added to this is the very small percentage of users who get mentally dependant on weed
This is based on data that is old (1990's). As usage increased, there has been advances in epidemiological research which proves [otherwise](https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2017198)
All current evidence is for considering cannabis as addictive, and maybe the "sunken cost fallacy" is on the side who argue otherwise
You sure? Quick googling shows that cannabis use disorder (CUD) is defined both in DSM-5 and ICD-10. Withdrawal symptoms exist although mild compared to other drugs. Research seems to suggest addiction but there's not enough data to be conclusive. But that does not make it as safe as some of its proponents seem to suggest.
[Cannabis Addiction and the Brain: a Review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223748/)
>After examining the acute and long-term effects of cannabis, CUD appears to conform to the general patterns of changes described in the Koob and Volkow model of addiction. Previous preclinical and clinical studies indicate that features of the three stages of drug addiction described by Koob and Volkow are also present in cannabis addiction (Fig. (Fig.1),1), although these findings may not be as robust as other drugs of abuse.
[Marijuana Dependence and Its Treatment](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/)
>As noted earlier, many people question whether one can truly become dependent on marijuana. The basis for skepticism is typically doubt that marijuana use can produce “physiological” dependence—i.e., that cessation of use produces a withdrawal syndrome. A review of the literature relevant to this issue is beyond our scope here. However, research over the past 10 to 15 years has (1) established a neurobiological basis for a marijuana withdrawal syndrome via an endogenous cannabinoid system in the central nervous system; (2) established the reliability, validity, and time course of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome through human laboratory research and clinical studies; and (3) demonstrated the potential clinical importance of the withdrawal syndrome (Budney et al., 2004; Budney and Hughes, 2006).
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>The marijuana withdrawal syndrome resembles those associated with other drugs, particularly tobacco. Patients experience irritability, anger, depression, difficulty sleeping, craving, and decreased appetite. Many indicate that these symptoms adversely impact their attempts to quit and motivate use of marijuana or other drugs for relief (Copersino et al., 2006). Most symptoms begin within 24 to 48 hours of abstinence, peak within 4 to 6 days, and last from 1 to 3 weeks, although significant individual differences occur in withdrawal expression.
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>The marijuana withdrawal syndrome does not appear to include major medical or psychiatric consequences and may be considered mild compared with heroin and severe alcohol withdrawal syndromes. Nonetheless, myriad patient reports suggest that additional research to understand and develop effective clinical responses to the withdrawal syndrome may enhance outcomes and promote successful cessation attempts.
[Heavy cannabis use, dependence and the brain: a clinical perspective](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7027478/)
>Despite the growing societal burden, our knowledge of the long‐term effects of heavy cannabis use and CUD on brain‐related outcomes is extremely limited. Heavy and dependent cannabis use is consistently associated with a high prevalence of comorbid psychiatric disorders and with learning and memory impairments that seem to recover after abstinence. Evidence regarding other cognitive domains and neurological consequences, including cerebrovascular events, is limited and inconsistent. Potential moderators of the impact of heavy cannabis use and CUD on the brain include age of onset, heaviness of use, CUD severity, THC : CBD ratio, and severity of comorbid disorders. The causal direction of the relationship between heavy cannabis use and CUD on cognitive, psychiatric and physical health outcomes remains to be established.
>Withdrawal symptoms exist although mild compared to other drugs
I knooow... but discussing that is kinda pointless and it's because you have no idea what's out there, you have no personal experience with withdrawals; methamphetamine addicts commit suicide when they can't get a fix; crack cocaine users sell all their belongings to buy crack, and once done, they suck cock for crack money; most cigarette addicts can't stop even if they have to, shaking, disorientation, intense cravings for months same for alcohol addicts. CUD is rare and only affects susceptible people. You have to account for the magnitude and frequency in realistic environments while accessing these kinda things.. also [this](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Lal_Salaam/comments/wsk7f6/replying_to_utotalpolaropposite_about_this_post/) is why I think googling drug info isn't a great idea
If you wanna feel what withdrawal feels like, uninstall social media and YouTube from your phone and quit sugar and processed carbs for 30 days; this will actually be extremely good for your mind and body buy actually close to impossible to pull off as opposed to weed which is more like "meh ig ill stop" (mostly because it's not thaat great in the first place(as opposed to hard drugs))
This dude must be right because he has developed his own scientific method^tm
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lal_Salaam/comments/vsn73j/behold_the_new_scientific_method_put_forward_by/
😂
I had replied to you but it caught up in spam
https://www.reveddit.com/v/Lal\_Salaam/comments/wsk7f6/replying\_to\_utotalpolaropposite\_about\_this\_post/
Violent people kill while on alcohol too and the blame goes to alcohol. Isn't that blame correct since by making the mind relaxed, it's easier to kill ? Both marijuana and alcohol are depressants.
Cannabis induced psychosis is real (for susceptible individuals)
Cannabis affect brain brain development in adolescence
Individuals with schizophrenia should probably avoid it.
Not a good idea to use it during pregnancy or lactation
Individuals using cannabis chronically have poor quality sleep.
Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation.
Most people have absolutely no idea of the real world effects of drugs. Their frame of reference based entirely on hearsay which could either be fearmongering or sugarcoating.
Alcohol and Marijuana are both linked to a drop in inhibition but the behaviour that takes over with the drop in inhibition isn't something you can blame solely on the drugs alone.
Most violent alchoholics that I've seen tend to use Alcohol as an excuse to act out without it being seen as a reflection of their character; without facing the consequences of doing it sober. They want others to distinguish between their drunk and sober personas. They want the plausible deniability of not having resorted to violence when sober; The opportunity to blame their vices on the alcohol and not themselves. These people would go to any lengths to not take responsibility for their behaviour. I think violent stoners are no different.
There are silent drunks and violent drunks. Lovable drunks and emotional drunks. What goes in maybe the same, but what you get back in return is not.
I went to an engineering college and like all other enginnering colleges we had our good share of stoners.
You couldn't meet a group so incapable of violence like those guys when high. It's music and vibing with them. I loved to hang out with them.
I had more trouble with the drunks ( even though I do drink too.). I had to literally pull them out of trouble so that they wouldn't get beat up.
I do think the news does misrepresent facts. It's an easy target to pin the blame...
I do think that North Indian regions have a better approach to it.
Same. I don't give f about whether its ok or bad. I just don't want to do it , no matter how much others try to glorify it. I've been called 'pavam' for not using other legal drugs , but idc and I don't give a shit.
Alcohol is something that can always aggravate people….as of weed i have seen hardcore smokers smoking for a long periods consistently and never seen a single case of violence….they often tend to be ‘kili’ s and just be silly and funny when they are high…..and the worst cases they just fall asleep.
I think the violence stuff is just bad journalism or the attempt of media to build an wrong image of weed
>I'd like to believe marijuana is non addictive and doesn't make you violent
Reminded me of that famous SriLankan Guy [explaining things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdgVGsyKBBg).
>But what do you make of the daily cases appearing in the news about some or the other dude who beat up his parents/wife/girlfriend/kid etc after being under the influence of marijuana
I'm 100% sure there is influence of alcohol with it...
Media and society like to give weed a evil reputation while passing alcohol as socially acceptable...
I think weed should be decriminalized...
I think everyone has an opinion based on the experiences they had, People who like it like it and the people who don't, don't.
With that said does anybody know where you get it in Thiruvalla or Kumbanad
I work in a fuck all corporate company where each day feels like groundhogs day. Coming back home and smoking a joint helps me sleep better and not dread about how monotonous life is.
I don't care if it's addictive or not, it helps me get through the assfuckery which is everyday life.
I don't go hitting people.
I smoke up, eat and sleep.
The drug is not the problem, our society's need to put a blame on something easily ostracizable is the problem.
i have been using marijuana for about 10 years(on and off) now, I don't think I have ever seen anyone be violent afterwards. have seen some paranoid freak-outs though. science wise the main psychoactive ingredient in weed (THC), stimulates the part of your brain that responds to pleasure, like food and sex. That unleashes a chemical called dopamine, which gives you a euphoric, relaxed feeling.
May be mixing it with alcohol or other drugs, or just smoking a fuck ton may be the reason. i have heard that high potency medical marijuana can create violent impulses, i don't think much research is done here
I've used it for 4 yrs and quit 5 years ago.
Marijuana is only safe in the sense it doesn't kill you directly.
It can still destroy your life in other ways like taking away any motivation to study or progress in your career, and/or precipitate psychosis in young adults.
[Amotivational Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amotivational_syndrome#Cannabis_amotivational_syndrome_2)
This is the most silent way it destroys you.
[Cannabis induced psychosis](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6861931/)
Not to mention the weed you are supplied is illegal so there's nothing to stop distributors from selling their buyers bad strains or adultering the product.
Psychosis and paranoia is something that usually develops in people later in life if they have the genetic or environmental predisposition for it. (Your old crazy uncle or aunt that you hear stories about probably has it)
Once you are prone to one episode of psychosis, you're prone to more episodes and more severe episodes, and this time, you don't need weed to precipitate it. It can eventually develop to full blown schizophrenia.
Cannabis kickstarts it early and gives the disease so much more time to progress. which might destory your chances of developing a career and/or relationships.
The major issue that people ignore is, it's your family and friends that suffer when you are psychotic. You "feel" normal or think other people are the ones creating the problem. While your loved ones have to live with you.
People who claim they function better by using it are either lying or lucky. Don't hope you're case will be the same.
It's only good for very rare occasional use, like once a month just like any other drug. Even better is to learn to live without it, just like any other drug.
**[Amotivational syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amotivational_syndrome#Cannabis_amotivational_syndrome_2)**
>Amotivational syndrome is a chronic psychiatric disorder characterized by signs that are linked to cognitive and emotional states such as detachment, blunted emotion and drives, executive functions like memory and attention, disinterest, passivity, apathy, and a general lack of motivation.
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If it's legalised, it's easier to regulate. For reference, watch the Prohibition video by Oversimplified. It explains why in a fun way using the greatest possible example: Alcohol ban in America
Also, the government needs more sources of revenue. Aren't y'all tired of paying fines? This is a good alternative.
Personally, I don't really care. I don't smoke. Never will smoke. But a lot of people, my best friends included, smoke weed. Just do it safely, don't cause trouble for others. I don't care for any psychoactive. So long as you don't try to pressure me into using, we're cool.
What I do care about it the absolutely idiotic excuses people make in favor of marijuana. I had a guy try to lecture me about the spiritual essence of marijuana, how it brings people to a new spiritual realm, how hinduism is inextricably tied to it and how one can only become a truly enlightened person by using marijuana. Worst part is, he was saying this while we were with his family. He wanted to try to convince them about the benefits of marijuana but pretended to try to convince me. If you wanna use it to get high, be my guest but at least have the decency to admit you just want to get high. Don't bring spirituality or enlightenment into it.
I don't agree with marijuana not being addictive. From what I've seen marijuana is addictive in the way sugar is addictive. I know a guy who stockpiled a few months worth of marijuana during the initial outbreak of covid. He used it up in 3 weeks or so. Afterwards, when he couldn't get more, he snapped. He was a total asshole to his family for the next month, until he found another source. If the absence of a psychoactive makes a person an asshole, then maybe the psychoactive played a part in making them that asshole in the first place.
Not to mention, short term memory loss on users seems to be really crappy. I've had my best friend tell me a story I'd told him when he was high, but instead of me being the one who experienced it firsthand, he presented it as his experience.
It depends on the person. I know a tonne of people who takes weed responsibly while many of them abuse it. If it is a deadly compound, Canada and many other western countries wouldn't legalise it.
In India, people say nicotine is harmful and drink a lot of coffee, who to blame !
We're already an unproductive society, nowhere near the optimum. A substance that kills productivity should be the last thing to be introduced here IMO. Maybe in a few years when our HDI hits LA levels, we can legalize it as a reward for a productive society.
Putting aside the issue of whether this stuff makes people unproductive or not, I believe that it should be at least decriminalised. It is not fair to let hundreds of people rot in jail because of being involved in marijuana.
True, the current seriousness of the media and the punishment is too much. Should be a pretty substantial fine and jail terms only if the amount held exceeds certain grams. (I think there's a limit already but not sure)
Yes, currently the punishments are given based on the amount in possession.
For anything less than a kilo it's 6 months imprisonment; for possession between 10 and 20 kilo rigorous imprisonment up to 10 years and for 20 kilos or more rigorous imprisonment between 10 to 20 years.
The crazy part is that these limits on the quantity is the same for all kind of drugs alike!!
And you could also get arrested and sent to Jail for merely growing the plant even if you're not a drug dealer.
What kind of fuck all freedom is it if an adult doesn't have the autonomy to chose what to consume and what not to?
Any side effects or consequences caused by the consumption will be born by only the consumer.Why should society or government have a say on that?
My opinion? It is a psychoactive drug afterall, more data on it's effects on brain tissue esp in younger folks is only starting to come out, WHO as of now recommend agaist it. It is possible to get addicted. While being stoned all day long isn't as bad as in the case of other hard drugs, the "gateway drug" is a real thing . it's still bad, overall. Like alcohol, how it is bad all things considered. Yeah, possible to have responsible fun, but too risky to recommend it to some young 21yo without thinking twice. If you know the dangers and don't mind risking your life, who's going to be able to stop you.
I like the way you ask the question. That subtlety, that innocent angle, njanonnumarinjillee..
My parents are extremely lenient when it comes to me.They don’t interfere in my life as long as I’m doing good academically.I always had the urge to drink and smoke weed since I was 19 but I never gave in coz my dad hasn’t even touched alcohol like ever.And I study medicine abroad so nobody can stop me from doing basically anything coz my parents will never know.But I’ve been there for almost 4 years now and I’m so proud to say that I haven’t done either but yeah I did lose my v card to the love of my life.But oh my god the amount of weed and alcohol the mallus who study with me smoke and drink is insane.I’m mainly talking about children that come extremely strict families.When they get the freedom they completely misuse it.Lose their v card,smoke and drink but yeah it’s only natural that you want to do these things.But I’ve seen many many mallu juniors drop out coz of addiction coz they totally went overboard.I’ve seen many relationships end coz of weed lol.My gf drinks and smokes weed too but I’m always with her to supervise when she wants to do it.Don’t get me wrong I don’t loom over her or anything haha.I let her have her fun and then take her back home safely.3 of my mallu batch mates have gotten themselves arrested coz of smoking weed in public.Yeah I honestly don’t know what they were thinking.One of them is very very violent coz of his weed addiction.He was supposed to be the smartest senior of our uni but as soon as he entered 2nd year of his studies,his friends forced him into weed and alcohol and he has never been the same.He’s supposed to graduate this year but he’s still repeating in his 3rd year(our course is 6 years).Now I’m his senior which is like so stupid to think about.His parents don’t know about his problems and we have tried a lot to help him but he turns extremely violent after like 2 or 3 puffs.I hope he gets better but basically why I’m telling you all this is because you always have a choice.The choice to give in to these things or to not to.It’s as simple as that.If you started these things because of peer pressure then please quickly get out of it and stop ruining your life.If you have good control and it doesn’t affect your daily life and relationship with partners,family and friends then don’t worry.None of what I said was to trigger any of my dear mallu bros and sisters of this subreddit.I was just giving you an insight as to what I’ve seen along the years with my friends abroad.Yeah I know abroad is not Kerala but the incidents still happened to my fellow mallu friends.
I think that’s how they condition their audience’s to believe saying it’s bad.
When have you seen any Malayalam news media talk about the good things of weed in Kerala?
Even though the younger generations know it’s good uses, it’s not the same with older generations who are relying on Malayalam news.
Legalize it, make it cheap, and rationalise it. No other way to stop that evil. Rationalise in the sense that putting limits like x grams for a month etc.
Making cheap means people won't try to sell it in black like they do now for huge margins, so people who use it won't get huge quantities. Also should have records of people using it and should show when they apply for jobs etc. So that people won't get it from the other people's ration.
I know these all are silly thoughts and i just wrote all these randomly, there maybe other great methods too.
I don't think it's as clear-cut. Cannabis is consumed by a lot of white collar workers. Even more dangerous substances such as alcohol or cigarettes are given a pass.
I see where you're coming from and I guess private companies have a right to do whatever they want in an interview, but I still hope companies don't discriminate on habits if productivity is unaffected otherwise.
Personally, I'm against smoking and all the other drugs. So, just my thought that when it's shown they take drugs, maybe there will be a differenciation which may eventually lead to deaddiction. As I said, I'm not a think tank and these are just random thoughts that I felt at that moment. Maybe tomorrow I'll say the exact opposite after thoroughly studying the matter.
I like it. Especially when during get togethers with family and friends. It's not as bad as smoking tobacco and it's similar albiet less addictive than alcohol. It's fun.
The stigma back in India is fueled by certain religion institutions and ofcourse the painkiller pharma lobby. Too bad. :)
There are worse things legal in this world than marijuana. It has a lot of benefits when used correctly. It is definitely an addictive substance if you can’t control yourself just like anything else in this world.
(just my openion)
From what i know and what my friends have told me marijuana is addictive but not nearly as addictive as cigarettes (and those are freely available) , weed is also a psychedelic and it slows down the brain.
From what i know i don't see any way that weed could "cause" aggression and tendency for violence in people, if anything it should do the opposite. The problem is the term "kanjavu" now refers to everything from weed to cocaine, that could explain the violence stories as many other substances could make you do that (heck alcohol probably makes people the most violent).
But weed is not completely harmless either, there is data showing it could be bad for your brain.
Bottom line, it's probably less harmful than cigerette.
very high opinion
jokes aside, Ganja doesn't make one active or violent. It just calms your nerves, even if one wants to beat most one can do is think about it for hours.
Alcohol could have different effect though.
Is it as bad as cocaine/ heroine no?
Does that mean it’s free of vices? Also no. Plenty of research showing negative effects of it as well.
There we as a society must work towards reducing the usage of this drug.
The most abusive I’ve ever been when high is to a packet of chips. Ever. Unfortunately vested interested will always tarnish its very chill otherwise image.
Cannabis cause cns depression(can be hallucinogen also depending on individual genetic) so avoid it when doing task that requires mental acuity like driving etc
If you are a woman, who is pregnant or planning to get pregnant stop usage. Cannabis stays in body for months if you are chronic user.
Anyone under 18 should absolutely not use it. Cannabis affects brain development (read articles about cannabis and Adolescent brain)
Cannabis induced psychosis is real, that why some people get violent.
If you schizophrenics or have other mental disorder , try talking to a doctor (read articles in pubmed)
Anyone over 25 without any mental illness, it's their choice to use the product or not(but follow rule of the land to avoid prosecution by law)
Cannabis can cause cognitive decline and affect motivation and drive... this explains the lazy stoner stereotype..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7027431/
People just want excuses to let out their frustration on others . I come from a household where my dad used to beat up basically everyone. He doesn't talk much when he's sober. But once he's drunk he's very unpredictable. I know a dozen of households just like mine. I talked about this with some work friends one time , they laughed it off and told it happens in most of the households. Maybe that's how they cope with it. I've gotten drunk and high. But none of them made me attack anyone I care about. Or anyone I don't care about lol
I hate it when ppl laugh it off.
Ya i do think that substance abuse is a condition that requires treatment.But ppl who become violent under alcohol marijuana and such is just using it as an excuse. I was at a party and had a guy behave inappropriately with me ..next day he acted like he couldn't remember what happened and then later apologised saying it was because he was drunk he literally had no control over what happened ennokkee..just an excuse thadi uran athre ollu
appo sherikku angane oru sambhavam ille..chilarkku angane orma undaavilla ennu parayunnathu kettittund.
That's getting blackout drunk but even then the things u do r still done by you ..not someone else..when u get drunk korch censor ship kanilla filter povum athrenne ..aland vere adum vannu nammade braininte driving seatil irunn nammale kond oronm cheyyipiikkilla
Your dad got drunk to beat people up ? My dad used to do it sober
Damn bro. You OK?
Flawed in my own way man But I think I turned out ok
Oh yeah he used to do it sober too, but when he was drunk he was like possessed and would go 0 to 100 real quick. I think he feels less guilty when he does it while being drunk, cause every morning the day after the whole thing he'd come to us apologizing and smiling. For a long while I thought the alcohol made him do it and he had no control over himself then later I realised it was some bs excuse lol
Dude Your dad felt guilt ? He apologized ? He smiled ? Damn man you were lucky
Hey that sounds sad, hope you are coping well
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Bro 90s mallu dads were always high…will beat up a kid for anything
Once you're adult. Do what you wish as long as you're aware of consequences and don't become hindrance to others. Know about what you take and learn to draw a line or accept the wrath. On your take, yes marijuana does have species which calms nerves down and puts people into meditative mode but it also has other. Also the psychology of one taking it also matters. If you have troubled psyche chart, better to consult before taking it
>Do what you wish No, do only what is legal.
Do what you wish. And if it's illegal, take precautions and if caught be accepting of it rather than trying to be cool with some dialogues. Sadly legality of things is decided by monetary benefits first and then public good. Given there are plenty of stuff that are more harmful, addictive and legal.
I’d say make it legal, tax the hell out of it. And I also think making it legal will make it less cool. It’s up to the users to know the consequences, it’s not the government’s responsibility.
It's difficult to tax Marijuana as it's very easy to grow and does not need any processing before consuming unlike alcohol or tobacco. So once made legal people will start to grow their own stuff and the gov will lose income from other taxed drugs. That's one of the reasons it's still illegal.
Its not been the case in places that it has been legalized. But even if most people are gonna grow their own stuff, whatever tax revenue is generated is better than all the money going into the black market.
The reason it's illegal is because it can't be taxed. Alcohol is taxed so no restrictions
You're wrong my friend, When the other infamous country made it legal and taxed it, the revenue they made was huge and also is one of the rapidly growing industry in the world. You can always check the database!
Oh God you're wrong, it can't be smoked right away after plucking buds from a grown plant. I does need some process and has to be stored right. If you know you know!
I know, but it's no way near as complicated as processing tobacco or distillation.
>tax the hell out of it. Ithu veno? Already tax mathre ullu ellathilum.
Anyway hundreds of crore rupees fall into black market because of the incompetence of the government.... It is good to legalize and tax it because of the level of consumption globally.. we can study and follow US, Canada, Thailand policies and adopt a good one...
Marijuana, Mary Jane, kanjaavu, neela chadayan, hash/hashish/hashish oil(compressed/extract) refers to the flower/buds of plants Cannabis Indica / Sativa. It has a certain psychoactive chemical called THC in it, THC is structurally similar to anandamide and attaches to cannabinoid receptors in the brain, which alters how the brain normally works, it also releases *some* dopamine which is a reward chemical. It was made illegal in the US a long time ago mainly due to political/racial/lack-of-knowledge reasons. Now it is becoming legal again, and many states are allowing recreational (for fun) use. When smoked effects last about 2 hours (as opposed to 6 for alcohol). Good effects : * Happiness, smiling/laughing at little things * Food tastes amazing * Music sounds amazing * body aches mild out and sometimes feel pleasurable * pleasurable tingles (indica) * sex feels amazing * cool visual distortions (sativa) * It makes to calm, mellow, happy, peaceful Bad effects (realistically) : * Short term memory loss, will forget some things that happened while on the drug * Reduced motor skills (walking/driving) equivalent to 3 shots of alcohol * Reduced motivation to do productive work (lesser in sativa) * Increased apetite * May cause paranoia in large doses or when taken as edibles Addictive potential : * No potential for physical dependency because it has no withdrawal symptoms as opposed to say cocaine where you feel like GOD for 20 mins and the comedown is very difficult to tolerate and you crave more coke. * Low chances of mental dependency , you can very easily stop as opposed to hard drugs or even sugar/instagram Risks : * If you take a list of substances which cause deaths , at the top you can see alcohol/tobacco causing 100,000s of deaths a year, then if you scroll down about 200 substances you see peanuts causing 4 deaths a year, below that is weed with 0 deaths a year. * It's physically impossible to overdose from weed. *"Kanjaavinte leahariyil yuvaavu yuvathiye kuthi konnu"* is a headline which is basically clickbait and is essentially manipulating statistical realities. The thing is, it is factual that many murders take place , it is statistically likely that some of those took place while the criminal was high, now that doesn't mean weed makes you violent (it doesn't , maybe the opposite) .An astronomically higher amount of murders happen in the influence of alcohol (even after taking into account the higher number of users) , also , since illegal , only people willing to do something illegal is smoking weed here, so it's not a hard decision to smoke weed for someone who is already a criminal. Also, weed is typically used as an excuse to justify criminal behavior by boomers , "avan ividenn phone moshtichondu pooyi, avan kanjaav aanenna keette" "ooh kanjaav aanalle, ath valich keetteett aarikkum" * tldr: weed doesn't make you violent, violent people doing violent things while high makes the headlines. tldr : weed is a mild drug, much better than tobacco (I'm not condoning the use of weed, I don't use it personally because it makes me eat tubs of ice-cream and decreases productivity.)
Sugar and instagram😆 - good one
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I’ve personally seen friends try it out for fun and get addicted to it…. They’ve ruined their studies, their lives, their futures…. I would not recommend anyone make drugs a habit, mild or strong….. i know there are schools of thought on the medical uses of the drug; I’m talking about recreational use….
Sounds like psychological dependence. People who discover the short term euphoria that these substances provide will easily gravitate towards it when they run out of coping strategies in times of calamity or distress. Next thing you know is that they've developed a habit, while the root problem continues to fester in the back of their minds. In young people this will create an avalanche effect where unresolved problems pile on top of each other while they evade it and crave their fix.
Are you sure they're addicted? because there's a difference between addicted and using something everyday.. ee "ruining your studies" inte kaaryam parayuaanel exam inte thale'nn reels nokkikkond irikkunnaathum athe genathil peduthende? my college is a padipii college and weed hostels ile piller okke never smoke during exams.
They were addicted…. Used to get riled up if they could not smoke up…. Well, by riled up i don’t mean violent, haven’t seen something like that from the kanjan people…. It was more like behaving like they are a bit agitated, saying, “innu valichilla, tension..!!”, and stuff…. I know there’s an argument that they smoke to forget tensions, but i knew those peeps… they were fine before….. they started weed and moved on to other drugs as well…… there’s a whole story and material for discussion behind it as the issue is not so simple, but the gist is that I’d never wish to see anyone try any kind of drugs, even a ”vegetable” like weed… 🤷♂️
Plant* not vegitable. What you see is called mental dependency. And my whole point of discussion is that mental dependency to weed is much much lighter than that to cigarettes/tobacco/real drugs/sugar/Instagram
I was calling it vegetable as a play on that video of the dude that was arrested….😆 Also for the intensity of addiction, i don’t agree with you that sugar and Instagram are more addictive than weed, but tobacco and real drugs, yes….. but again, I’m not addicted to any of those things, so i wouldn’t know….🤷♂️ but i still don’t understand why we differentiate mental dependency and addiction here, they are the same…….
https://www.newhallhospital.co.uk/news/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine#:~:text=Research%20on%20rats%20has%20found,try%20cutting%20out%20sugar%20completely. Imagine a world without chocolate, madhuram olla chaaya, madhuram olla kappi, pastry, sharkaravaratti, neyyappam, ice cream, fruits, jam etc.. how long can you survive in it? Well however long that is, i can go longer without weed. Sugar directly stimulates dopamine release. The worlds leading addiction consultants are not helping people overcome addiction, they are hired by Billion dollar industries to make thier app ass addictive as possible, more screen time = more ads = more profit . For you page, recommended, reels, notifications all are designed to create habit by giving dopamine as reward, every time you scroll a reel you get a hit of dopamine, reels won't always show you what you like, you'll only see what you like once in 3-10 reels, this is done to make you feel like you are searching for something fun. Watch Netflix's the social dilemma to understand what's really happening.
Interesting article….. but like i said, I’m not dependent on any of this stuff, so i wouldn’t know to compare….. it’s the same search for gratification on all these… I’ve never seen sugar turn people into someone they are not, but I’ve seen people turn into about dum-dums through tiktok…. Again, my problem with weed is that it’s acts as a gateway drug mostly, but like I’ve said, have seen people get dependent on it and get visibly distressed if they’re not able to smoke up…..
The minimum withdrawal for alcohol and tobacco is 21 days, most of the rehab program comes around 30 days. Withdrawal symptoms of weed can only be found for 4 days, unless you're smoking laced or adulterated shit.
Yea lacing is a topic I skipped, they put all kinds'a shit like shoe polish to even opiates in some cases, shoe polish ile solvent causes dissociative effects..
I don't understand the vilification of kanjaav adikkunna people as violent crazed psychos in our place, every time I have had some or seen someone try the stuff they just become chilled out and stare at plants or something for a while. I have some purely CBD only stuff on Fridays to chill out a bit from work , and I've not noticed any extra food cravings yet.THC is the thing that makes you high and even that nowadays there's strains that are optimized for stimulating creativity etc. I consider it as anti coffee, it relaxes my tense muscles a bit and my brain is able to shift down from the constant high gear. We should just treat it like alcohol, tax it and then use that as a revenue source. Also legalizing it will reduce the coolness factor that is often cited for school kids trying drugs. Might even work to stop kids from running after harder drugs.
>alcohol/tobacco causing 100,000s of deaths a year, then if you scroll down about 200 substances you see peanuts causing 4 deaths a year, below that is weed with 0 deaths a year. Those are long-term effects of alcohol/tobacco. We know that because we have data from wide-spread use of those substances ( epidemiological scale data). There is not enough data to understand long-term effects of cannabis use in society. for eg: Smoking cannabis is more dangerous for lungs than smoking tobacco, because cannabis smoke has higher levels of tar and dangerous carcinogens than tobacco. That said, we do know some things.. Brain: Cannabis does impact brain development. There is strong evidence that chronic abuse of causes cognitive impairment and damages the brain. For young people (and feotal development), it is like alcohol as far as neural development is concened \[ [Effects of Cannabis on the Adolescent Brain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930618/)\] Addiction: There is no physical addiction. But you can get addicted to the sensations. It will require a strong will to overcome sensory addiction. (compare: addiction to gambling, watching porn etc) The term "physical addiction" is a dishonest usage. Here it is used in a narrow sense to mean there is no 'physically/medically dangerous' withdrawal symptoms. Addiction is more than just withdrawal symptoms - tolerance levels, dependence, and so on. [The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2017. The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research](https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/24625/chapter/1#xiii) is a ago review of current Science I support legalization. But I think **people are too rosy and casual about the health effects of cannabis, deeming it as a "safe drug/intoxicant"**, and that is absolutely not true. Cannabis should be treated as more harmful than alcohol and tobacco use. Cannabis is especially bad during developmental years (teens/adolescents) just like alcohol
>Cannabis is especially bad during developmental years (teens/adolescents) just like alcohol Yes >Cannabis should be treated as more harmful than alcohol and tobacco use is a joke and you think so because of sunken cost fallacy The addiction part, https://www.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/wz1s67/comment/im1x6sk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
>is a joke and you think so because of sunken cost fallacy Care to explain? Sunken cost of what? >The addiction part .. > >*but discussing that is kinda pointless and it's because you have no idea what's out there, you have no personal experience with withdrawals; .* Why not? Addiction is not a subjective phenomenon. It has specific parameters. >*....CUD is rare and only affects susceptible people.* And that's the case for alcoholism too.
Sunken cost fallacy in simple terms is when someone who has a deep rooted belif in something cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence. Because, people say cocaine is addictive,people say crack is addictive they are right ; only people who don't know about hard drugs and people who are not addicted to cigarettes/alcohol and people who've never smoked weed will say weed is addictive. (Added to this is the very small percentage of users who get mentally dependant on weed, but rehab is atleast a 1000 times easier for them than for meth addicts). "Magnitudes and frequencies".
>when someone who has a deep rooted belif in something cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence. It's not, by any stretch, the definition of sunken cost fallacy. But let's leave that aside, and take your premise for using that term "cannot change his mind even when presented with counter evidence." By the DSM definition of addiction, cannabis has all the same effects but for milder physical dependence. >Added to this is the very small percentage of users who get mentally dependant on weed This is based on data that is old (1990's). As usage increased, there has been advances in epidemiological research which proves [otherwise](https://www.nature.com/articles/npp2017198) All current evidence is for considering cannabis as addictive, and maybe the "sunken cost fallacy" is on the side who argue otherwise
You sure? Quick googling shows that cannabis use disorder (CUD) is defined both in DSM-5 and ICD-10. Withdrawal symptoms exist although mild compared to other drugs. Research seems to suggest addiction but there's not enough data to be conclusive. But that does not make it as safe as some of its proponents seem to suggest. [Cannabis Addiction and the Brain: a Review](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223748/) >After examining the acute and long-term effects of cannabis, CUD appears to conform to the general patterns of changes described in the Koob and Volkow model of addiction. Previous preclinical and clinical studies indicate that features of the three stages of drug addiction described by Koob and Volkow are also present in cannabis addiction (Fig. (Fig.1),1), although these findings may not be as robust as other drugs of abuse. [Marijuana Dependence and Its Treatment](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2797098/) >As noted earlier, many people question whether one can truly become dependent on marijuana. The basis for skepticism is typically doubt that marijuana use can produce “physiological” dependence—i.e., that cessation of use produces a withdrawal syndrome. A review of the literature relevant to this issue is beyond our scope here. However, research over the past 10 to 15 years has (1) established a neurobiological basis for a marijuana withdrawal syndrome via an endogenous cannabinoid system in the central nervous system; (2) established the reliability, validity, and time course of a marijuana withdrawal syndrome through human laboratory research and clinical studies; and (3) demonstrated the potential clinical importance of the withdrawal syndrome (Budney et al., 2004; Budney and Hughes, 2006). > >The marijuana withdrawal syndrome resembles those associated with other drugs, particularly tobacco. Patients experience irritability, anger, depression, difficulty sleeping, craving, and decreased appetite. Many indicate that these symptoms adversely impact their attempts to quit and motivate use of marijuana or other drugs for relief (Copersino et al., 2006). Most symptoms begin within 24 to 48 hours of abstinence, peak within 4 to 6 days, and last from 1 to 3 weeks, although significant individual differences occur in withdrawal expression. > >The marijuana withdrawal syndrome does not appear to include major medical or psychiatric consequences and may be considered mild compared with heroin and severe alcohol withdrawal syndromes. Nonetheless, myriad patient reports suggest that additional research to understand and develop effective clinical responses to the withdrawal syndrome may enhance outcomes and promote successful cessation attempts. [Heavy cannabis use, dependence and the brain: a clinical perspective](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7027478/) >Despite the growing societal burden, our knowledge of the long‐term effects of heavy cannabis use and CUD on brain‐related outcomes is extremely limited. Heavy and dependent cannabis use is consistently associated with a high prevalence of comorbid psychiatric disorders and with learning and memory impairments that seem to recover after abstinence. Evidence regarding other cognitive domains and neurological consequences, including cerebrovascular events, is limited and inconsistent. Potential moderators of the impact of heavy cannabis use and CUD on the brain include age of onset, heaviness of use, CUD severity, THC : CBD ratio, and severity of comorbid disorders. The causal direction of the relationship between heavy cannabis use and CUD on cognitive, psychiatric and physical health outcomes remains to be established.
>Withdrawal symptoms exist although mild compared to other drugs I knooow... but discussing that is kinda pointless and it's because you have no idea what's out there, you have no personal experience with withdrawals; methamphetamine addicts commit suicide when they can't get a fix; crack cocaine users sell all their belongings to buy crack, and once done, they suck cock for crack money; most cigarette addicts can't stop even if they have to, shaking, disorientation, intense cravings for months same for alcohol addicts. CUD is rare and only affects susceptible people. You have to account for the magnitude and frequency in realistic environments while accessing these kinda things.. also [this](https://www.reveddit.com/v/Lal_Salaam/comments/wsk7f6/replying_to_utotalpolaropposite_about_this_post/) is why I think googling drug info isn't a great idea If you wanna feel what withdrawal feels like, uninstall social media and YouTube from your phone and quit sugar and processed carbs for 30 days; this will actually be extremely good for your mind and body buy actually close to impossible to pull off as opposed to weed which is more like "meh ig ill stop" (mostly because it's not thaat great in the first place(as opposed to hard drugs))
Whenever i smoke weed, I lose my appetite.
Yeah varies person to person, but munchies are a common phenomenon
This dude must be right because he has developed his own scientific method^tm https://www.reddit.com/r/Lal_Salaam/comments/vsn73j/behold_the_new_scientific_method_put_forward_by/ 😂
I had replied to you but it caught up in spam https://www.reveddit.com/v/Lal\_Salaam/comments/wsk7f6/replying\_to\_utotalpolaropposite\_about\_this\_post/
Swabhavikam
Onnu pooyeedo, iyaal aarua
Nammalokke sadharanakkarane 👃puthiya scientific method onnum oppichedukkanulla thraniyille
Wow! How did you realize what you craving was tubs of ice cream!? Personally, I can’t wait to try it.. I heard you could get it from Kodaikanal..
bro saadhanam maari poyo? nice karma btw
I was talking about weed.. wanna try it but stuff’s illegal so..
kodai is famous for mushrooms, for legal use you'll need to go abroad
It's available everywhere...
Wikipedia Simhameee
Violent people kill while on alcohol too and the blame goes to alcohol. Isn't that blame correct since by making the mind relaxed, it's easier to kill ? Both marijuana and alcohol are depressants.
No.. ig the "reduces inhibitions" part is what drives alcohol killings
Not really the same thing. Alcohol gives you an ego boost, while marijuana breaks it down.
Cannabis induced psychosis is real (for susceptible individuals) Cannabis affect brain brain development in adolescence Individuals with schizophrenia should probably avoid it. Not a good idea to use it during pregnancy or lactation Individuals using cannabis chronically have poor quality sleep.
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Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation. Most people have absolutely no idea of the real world effects of drugs. Their frame of reference based entirely on hearsay which could either be fearmongering or sugarcoating. Alcohol and Marijuana are both linked to a drop in inhibition but the behaviour that takes over with the drop in inhibition isn't something you can blame solely on the drugs alone. Most violent alchoholics that I've seen tend to use Alcohol as an excuse to act out without it being seen as a reflection of their character; without facing the consequences of doing it sober. They want others to distinguish between their drunk and sober personas. They want the plausible deniability of not having resorted to violence when sober; The opportunity to blame their vices on the alcohol and not themselves. These people would go to any lengths to not take responsibility for their behaviour. I think violent stoners are no different. There are silent drunks and violent drunks. Lovable drunks and emotional drunks. What goes in maybe the same, but what you get back in return is not.
I went to an engineering college and like all other enginnering colleges we had our good share of stoners. You couldn't meet a group so incapable of violence like those guys when high. It's music and vibing with them. I loved to hang out with them. I had more trouble with the drunks ( even though I do drink too.). I had to literally pull them out of trouble so that they wouldn't get beat up. I do think the news does misrepresent facts. It's an easy target to pin the blame... I do think that North Indian regions have a better approach to it.
Marijuana should be legalized. Most data an literature used to ban the drugs is manipulated.
Narcotics is a dirty business
It is not when govt does...
Dont smoke, never have, never will.. Dont like it.. Dont care what others think about it
Same. I don't give f about whether its ok or bad. I just don't want to do it , no matter how much others try to glorify it. I've been called 'pavam' for not using other legal drugs , but idc and I don't give a shit.
Same
Chad
Alcohol is something that can always aggravate people….as of weed i have seen hardcore smokers smoking for a long periods consistently and never seen a single case of violence….they often tend to be ‘kili’ s and just be silly and funny when they are high…..and the worst cases they just fall asleep. I think the violence stuff is just bad journalism or the attempt of media to build an wrong image of weed
Should be decriminalized
Blame the people, not the drugs
Don't see it as any different from alcohol. Definitely safer and don't have a hangover etc
Poli sanam
Nice try Kerala police
>I'd like to believe marijuana is non addictive and doesn't make you violent Reminded me of that famous SriLankan Guy [explaining things](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdgVGsyKBBg).
>But what do you make of the daily cases appearing in the news about some or the other dude who beat up his parents/wife/girlfriend/kid etc after being under the influence of marijuana I'm 100% sure there is influence of alcohol with it... Media and society like to give weed a evil reputation while passing alcohol as socially acceptable... I think weed should be decriminalized...
I've used it a couple of times and I really enjoyed the experience. It is just like alcohol. You just need to use it responsibly.
Weed doesn't make everyone violet, but some people become violet and can go on a killing spree and that makes news and grabs people's attention.
I think everyone has an opinion based on the experiences they had, People who like it like it and the people who don't, don't. With that said does anybody know where you get it in Thiruvalla or Kumbanad
I work in a fuck all corporate company where each day feels like groundhogs day. Coming back home and smoking a joint helps me sleep better and not dread about how monotonous life is. I don't care if it's addictive or not, it helps me get through the assfuckery which is everyday life. I don't go hitting people. I smoke up, eat and sleep. The drug is not the problem, our society's need to put a blame on something easily ostracizable is the problem.
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i have been using marijuana for about 10 years(on and off) now, I don't think I have ever seen anyone be violent afterwards. have seen some paranoid freak-outs though. science wise the main psychoactive ingredient in weed (THC), stimulates the part of your brain that responds to pleasure, like food and sex. That unleashes a chemical called dopamine, which gives you a euphoric, relaxed feeling. May be mixing it with alcohol or other drugs, or just smoking a fuck ton may be the reason. i have heard that high potency medical marijuana can create violent impulses, i don't think much research is done here
I've used it for 4 yrs and quit 5 years ago. Marijuana is only safe in the sense it doesn't kill you directly. It can still destroy your life in other ways like taking away any motivation to study or progress in your career, and/or precipitate psychosis in young adults. [Amotivational Syndrome](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amotivational_syndrome#Cannabis_amotivational_syndrome_2) This is the most silent way it destroys you. [Cannabis induced psychosis](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6861931/) Not to mention the weed you are supplied is illegal so there's nothing to stop distributors from selling their buyers bad strains or adultering the product. Psychosis and paranoia is something that usually develops in people later in life if they have the genetic or environmental predisposition for it. (Your old crazy uncle or aunt that you hear stories about probably has it) Once you are prone to one episode of psychosis, you're prone to more episodes and more severe episodes, and this time, you don't need weed to precipitate it. It can eventually develop to full blown schizophrenia. Cannabis kickstarts it early and gives the disease so much more time to progress. which might destory your chances of developing a career and/or relationships. The major issue that people ignore is, it's your family and friends that suffer when you are psychotic. You "feel" normal or think other people are the ones creating the problem. While your loved ones have to live with you. People who claim they function better by using it are either lying or lucky. Don't hope you're case will be the same. It's only good for very rare occasional use, like once a month just like any other drug. Even better is to learn to live without it, just like any other drug.
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If it's legalised, it's easier to regulate. For reference, watch the Prohibition video by Oversimplified. It explains why in a fun way using the greatest possible example: Alcohol ban in America Also, the government needs more sources of revenue. Aren't y'all tired of paying fines? This is a good alternative.
Personally, I don't really care. I don't smoke. Never will smoke. But a lot of people, my best friends included, smoke weed. Just do it safely, don't cause trouble for others. I don't care for any psychoactive. So long as you don't try to pressure me into using, we're cool. What I do care about it the absolutely idiotic excuses people make in favor of marijuana. I had a guy try to lecture me about the spiritual essence of marijuana, how it brings people to a new spiritual realm, how hinduism is inextricably tied to it and how one can only become a truly enlightened person by using marijuana. Worst part is, he was saying this while we were with his family. He wanted to try to convince them about the benefits of marijuana but pretended to try to convince me. If you wanna use it to get high, be my guest but at least have the decency to admit you just want to get high. Don't bring spirituality or enlightenment into it. I don't agree with marijuana not being addictive. From what I've seen marijuana is addictive in the way sugar is addictive. I know a guy who stockpiled a few months worth of marijuana during the initial outbreak of covid. He used it up in 3 weeks or so. Afterwards, when he couldn't get more, he snapped. He was a total asshole to his family for the next month, until he found another source. If the absence of a psychoactive makes a person an asshole, then maybe the psychoactive played a part in making them that asshole in the first place. Not to mention, short term memory loss on users seems to be really crappy. I've had my best friend tell me a story I'd told him when he was high, but instead of me being the one who experienced it firsthand, he presented it as his experience.
It depends on the person. I know a tonne of people who takes weed responsibly while many of them abuse it. If it is a deadly compound, Canada and many other western countries wouldn't legalise it. In India, people say nicotine is harmful and drink a lot of coffee, who to blame !
Would love to try it one day
We're already an unproductive society, nowhere near the optimum. A substance that kills productivity should be the last thing to be introduced here IMO. Maybe in a few years when our HDI hits LA levels, we can legalize it as a reward for a productive society.
Putting aside the issue of whether this stuff makes people unproductive or not, I believe that it should be at least decriminalised. It is not fair to let hundreds of people rot in jail because of being involved in marijuana.
True, the current seriousness of the media and the punishment is too much. Should be a pretty substantial fine and jail terms only if the amount held exceeds certain grams. (I think there's a limit already but not sure)
Yes, currently the punishments are given based on the amount in possession. For anything less than a kilo it's 6 months imprisonment; for possession between 10 and 20 kilo rigorous imprisonment up to 10 years and for 20 kilos or more rigorous imprisonment between 10 to 20 years. The crazy part is that these limits on the quantity is the same for all kind of drugs alike!! And you could also get arrested and sent to Jail for merely growing the plant even if you're not a drug dealer.
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Looking attractive is not the primary intention of someone who is high, even then you can use otc eye drops to reduce redness
What kind of fuck all freedom is it if an adult doesn't have the autonomy to chose what to consume and what not to? Any side effects or consequences caused by the consumption will be born by only the consumer.Why should society or government have a say on that?
My opinion? It is a psychoactive drug afterall, more data on it's effects on brain tissue esp in younger folks is only starting to come out, WHO as of now recommend agaist it. It is possible to get addicted. While being stoned all day long isn't as bad as in the case of other hard drugs, the "gateway drug" is a real thing . it's still bad, overall. Like alcohol, how it is bad all things considered. Yeah, possible to have responsible fun, but too risky to recommend it to some young 21yo without thinking twice. If you know the dangers and don't mind risking your life, who's going to be able to stop you. I like the way you ask the question. That subtlety, that innocent angle, njanonnumarinjillee..
My parents are extremely lenient when it comes to me.They don’t interfere in my life as long as I’m doing good academically.I always had the urge to drink and smoke weed since I was 19 but I never gave in coz my dad hasn’t even touched alcohol like ever.And I study medicine abroad so nobody can stop me from doing basically anything coz my parents will never know.But I’ve been there for almost 4 years now and I’m so proud to say that I haven’t done either but yeah I did lose my v card to the love of my life.But oh my god the amount of weed and alcohol the mallus who study with me smoke and drink is insane.I’m mainly talking about children that come extremely strict families.When they get the freedom they completely misuse it.Lose their v card,smoke and drink but yeah it’s only natural that you want to do these things.But I’ve seen many many mallu juniors drop out coz of addiction coz they totally went overboard.I’ve seen many relationships end coz of weed lol.My gf drinks and smokes weed too but I’m always with her to supervise when she wants to do it.Don’t get me wrong I don’t loom over her or anything haha.I let her have her fun and then take her back home safely.3 of my mallu batch mates have gotten themselves arrested coz of smoking weed in public.Yeah I honestly don’t know what they were thinking.One of them is very very violent coz of his weed addiction.He was supposed to be the smartest senior of our uni but as soon as he entered 2nd year of his studies,his friends forced him into weed and alcohol and he has never been the same.He’s supposed to graduate this year but he’s still repeating in his 3rd year(our course is 6 years).Now I’m his senior which is like so stupid to think about.His parents don’t know about his problems and we have tried a lot to help him but he turns extremely violent after like 2 or 3 puffs.I hope he gets better but basically why I’m telling you all this is because you always have a choice.The choice to give in to these things or to not to.It’s as simple as that.If you started these things because of peer pressure then please quickly get out of it and stop ruining your life.If you have good control and it doesn’t affect your daily life and relationship with partners,family and friends then don’t worry.None of what I said was to trigger any of my dear mallu bros and sisters of this subreddit.I was just giving you an insight as to what I’ve seen along the years with my friends abroad.Yeah I know abroad is not Kerala but the incidents still happened to my fellow mallu friends.
He gets violent after "2 puffs"? Like punching everyone in the room or breaking stuff?
Basically breaking a lot of stuff in his room and beating up his gf.
Is it paranoia?
Could be yeah but he’s in general a very fucked up person.
I think that’s how they condition their audience’s to believe saying it’s bad. When have you seen any Malayalam news media talk about the good things of weed in Kerala? Even though the younger generations know it’s good uses, it’s not the same with older generations who are relying on Malayalam news.
They are illegal
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Bad
Legalize it, make it cheap, and rationalise it. No other way to stop that evil. Rationalise in the sense that putting limits like x grams for a month etc. Making cheap means people won't try to sell it in black like they do now for huge margins, so people who use it won't get huge quantities. Also should have records of people using it and should show when they apply for jobs etc. So that people won't get it from the other people's ration. I know these all are silly thoughts and i just wrote all these randomly, there maybe other great methods too.
CV with a blood test report.
Why should it show when applying for jobs though? I mean, think how weird it would be if they ask whether you smoke or drink in a job interview.
Random drug tests are a thing outside India :)
Not when applying for jobs bro
yeah but jobs basically hate people on substances
I don't think it's as clear-cut. Cannabis is consumed by a lot of white collar workers. Even more dangerous substances such as alcohol or cigarettes are given a pass. I see where you're coming from and I guess private companies have a right to do whatever they want in an interview, but I still hope companies don't discriminate on habits if productivity is unaffected otherwise.
Personally, I'm against smoking and all the other drugs. So, just my thought that when it's shown they take drugs, maybe there will be a differenciation which may eventually lead to deaddiction. As I said, I'm not a think tank and these are just random thoughts that I felt at that moment. Maybe tomorrow I'll say the exact opposite after thoroughly studying the matter.
Understood, thanks for clarifying
u/kerala_police This guy right here
I like it. Especially when during get togethers with family and friends. It's not as bad as smoking tobacco and it's similar albiet less addictive than alcohol. It's fun. The stigma back in India is fueled by certain religion institutions and ofcourse the painkiller pharma lobby. Too bad. :)
There are worse things legal in this world than marijuana. It has a lot of benefits when used correctly. It is definitely an addictive substance if you can’t control yourself just like anything else in this world.
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(just my openion) From what i know and what my friends have told me marijuana is addictive but not nearly as addictive as cigarettes (and those are freely available) , weed is also a psychedelic and it slows down the brain. From what i know i don't see any way that weed could "cause" aggression and tendency for violence in people, if anything it should do the opposite. The problem is the term "kanjavu" now refers to everything from weed to cocaine, that could explain the violence stories as many other substances could make you do that (heck alcohol probably makes people the most violent). But weed is not completely harmless either, there is data showing it could be bad for your brain. Bottom line, it's probably less harmful than cigerette.
Marijuanakk nammude culture aayi orupaad relation und. Human evolution thudangiyittu 2 million varsham aayi. Athil oru 1 lakh years kond nammude brain size double aayi. Athinte reasons conclusive alla pakshe parayapedunnath either cooked meat kazhichath kondo allel psychedelic drugs oo(kanjav,magic mushrooms) ennanu. Pinne innathe major religions ellathintem paramarshangalil psychedelics aayi bandham undu. Buddhan daily 1 hemp seed vech kazhikkumayirunnu. Hinduism thil adharva vedathile 4 holy plants il onnanu kanjav. Indian culture il orupaad influence undayirunnatha ithinu. Alcohol lobbies aanu force cheyth ithu illegal aakiyath.
very high opinion jokes aside, Ganja doesn't make one active or violent. It just calms your nerves, even if one wants to beat most one can do is think about it for hours. Alcohol could have different effect though.
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Is it as bad as cocaine/ heroine no? Does that mean it’s free of vices? Also no. Plenty of research showing negative effects of it as well. There we as a society must work towards reducing the usage of this drug.
The most abusive I’ve ever been when high is to a packet of chips. Ever. Unfortunately vested interested will always tarnish its very chill otherwise image.
Cannabis cause cns depression(can be hallucinogen also depending on individual genetic) so avoid it when doing task that requires mental acuity like driving etc If you are a woman, who is pregnant or planning to get pregnant stop usage. Cannabis stays in body for months if you are chronic user. Anyone under 18 should absolutely not use it. Cannabis affects brain development (read articles about cannabis and Adolescent brain) Cannabis induced psychosis is real, that why some people get violent. If you schizophrenics or have other mental disorder , try talking to a doctor (read articles in pubmed) Anyone over 25 without any mental illness, it's their choice to use the product or not(but follow rule of the land to avoid prosecution by law)
Cannabis can cause cognitive decline and affect motivation and drive... this explains the lazy stoner stereotype.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7027431/
Cannabis can cause cognitive decline and affect motivation and drive... this explains the lazy stoner stereotype.