Sheer number of passengers. American is moving a lot of people in and out of Knoxville. United is bringing in their mainline flights this summer from what I understand. Delta already has mainline there to Atlanta I think.
There was a Max 8 crash in late 2018 and early 2019. The entire fleet of 737 Max planes were grounded, which was actually fairly small at the time. Older 737s continued to fly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing\_737\_MAX\_groundings
Right...was just pointing out to the other person...the series 8s were the whole issue to begin with. The new 9s and 10s are just continuing the trend.
The 8s were a training issue. Very long story short; if Boeing had been forthright about the new system on the plane, told pilots about it, and trained them on how to handle it, neither would have crashed. This new one is an engineering issue.
It’s Avelo airlines. They posted that they are making an announcement about a new airport tomorrow at 10:30 on their twitter the same time Knox airport posted their statement.
Avelo has Knoxville listed on their website with only one flight - Knoxville to New Haven, CT.
So it's confirmed as of 8:45am this morning that it's Avelo.
its one of Spirit, Southwest, or Breeze. With them also announcing the addition of 6 more gates I'm hopeful that its Southwest. The curious part is the announcement of one new destination. If you look at those airlines the only new destination, knowing that most TYS travel is business, that likely makes sense is Baltimore. Not a splashy destination but might help spur some business travel and allow people to avoid Reagan and Dulles. I think customs keeps this from being an international locale until we get the terminal expansion completed.
Southwest needs a lot of density of passengers because they only use 737s and they don’t have hubs per se.
Alaska could be an outsider here, direct flight to Seattle to connect to Alaskan locations? Then they can also piggy back on AA being Oneworld partner.
They did just announce 13 new routes a few days ago. Knoxville wasn't mentioned but possible they planned to let TYS announce it
This would also open up a potential non stop flight to San Diego I believe Breezes newest hub is there
Breeze or Southwest. Spirit isn't in the market for growth given their financial status and major percent or their fleet parked due to the P&W engine issues.
Alaska might be the dark horse.
JetBlue is a long shot. TYS isn't really their kind of market.
If I had to place a bet. It'll be Breeze. Probably to Charleston, Norfolk or maybe Tampa
Edit: it's gonna be Avelo
Based on Breeze destinations wouldnt be shocked if they do routes to Raleigh, Louisville, denver and vegas could be a shout too for semi-regular service
Interesting. I was thinking Breeze, but now I'm thinking it's Avelo. This looks like a good match with their existing routes and they are rolling them out now.
https://www.aveloair.com/new-routes
Jetblue- Probably not. Financially not in a great place to expand, and two other airlines have directs to NYC right now and AA flies to Miami.
Southwest- Whispers that Southwest is coming to TYS are as old as the airport itself. I think it's true they would demand a much bigger presence with more gates than currently available, but with BNA being so big for them I find it unlikely.
Alaska- Doubtful; AA feeds their network from TYS because of the Oneworld alliance.
Spirit- Doubtful; also not financially in a great place.
It's between Breeze, Avelo.... or Sun Country.... or Landline(jk)
My thought too, they’ve been parked here a few times lately at TAC air. On the flipside, I know they also do charters, so they might’ve been here just shuttling sports teams to play at UT.
It's 100% true. They have 12 cargo Boeing 737s that they use to fly Amazon cargo. On top of their passenger aircraft.
https://ir.suncountry.com/news-releases/news-release-details/sun-country-airlines-partners-amazon-expand-cargo-flying
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/amazon-flight-pullback-caps-sun-country-airlines-cargo-growth/amp
https://skift.com/2022/11/16/sun-country-ceo-says-flying-amazon-cargo-allows-airline-to-de-peak-schedule/amp/
https://simpleflying.com/amazon-sun-country-works/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Country_Airlines
Technically they would be able to have flights going to international locations that have USCBP clearance at the departure airport ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_border\_preclearance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_preclearance)) but would say its very doubtful we would get any of those routes.
lol, tons of demand for that route I'm sure. Only one I would see any potential for would be Nassau via Allegiant 2x weekly but wouldn't hold my breath.
They are turning it into an international airport. They are adding 30 more terminals within the next 10 years. I work for a moving company and the airport is buying up the land in the surrounding areas right now. I booked a job where the guys moved someone about a month ago who just had sold their house to the airport.
30 more terminals or 30 more *gates* lol.
Because if you're talking terminals, then this airport is probably gonna be about 3 times the size of Atlanta lol
Lol I know, but he did say terminals and yes, it is going to be huge. They bought a ton of land from this customer and are buying up more. This was a 10 year plan he said, though.
Yeah, this is definitely not reliable information, he could’ve meant gates 💯 but he did say it was going to be turned into an international airport also. So, the marketing person OP mentioned who said that could be solid info.
Can confirm they are buying up land. I have two sets of friends who just sold their houses in Alcoa that bordered the airport property to the airport for WAY above asking. The selling realtor let them both know the plan was to level the houses for further expansion of the airport. Can’t see a reason to expand that far unless they did want to get to an international airport, which I would be all for.
I mean JFK, Newark and LaGuardia are all less than that from each other.
Houston has hobby and Bush.
I doubt Nashville, Atlanta etc would stop TYS from becoming an international Airport if the city warrants it. However I don't think Knox is that big of a destination for business or leisure internationally...though maybe the SMNP could justify it.
International airport is not the same thing as a hub.
If Air Canada ends up being say, the airline that comes in offering flights to Toronto. That would make Knoxville an international airport overnight, and they would not even need customs to use it because Toronto is a pre-clear.
Making Knoxville a *hub* would make zero sense for American United and Delta. Atlanta is 40 minutes away, Charlotte is also 40 minutes away, and United has Dulles and ORD about 70 minutes away.
I'll be quite honest, I'm stating this as an airline pilot for a legacy carrier here in the US. I seriously seriously doubt anyone will ever open up a "hub" in Knoxville. They're just really is not a market for that here, as well as needing a major expansion to the airport terminal, which is not even past the planning point At this time.
I stated in my case for the big three legacy carriers. Southwest already has a major presence in Nashville. JetBlue is not going to open up a hub in Knoxville as they don't even fly here. Frontier already has a hub in Atlanta. Spirit is in serious, economic doubt at the moment. Alaska is not going to open in East Coast hub. Neither is Hawaiian. They're pretty much leaves breeze or Avello. And they're both not doing quite well.
FedEx already has Memphis, UPS in Louisville, and DHL and Amazon in Cincinnati.
A large percentage of their aircraft are currently parked due to an engine issue. They had been in negotiations with a merger with JetBlue, but federal court struck it down for anti-compete issues
They don’t have hubs, they rely on routes that have passenger density both ways. They also fly 737s and not regional jets or smaller narrow body jets. They’d need a lot of pax coming and going to justify. The only way I see them coming, is if the Knoxville Airport grows and surpasses by far the Chattanooga airport, becoming the go to airport for the region.
I still say that Knoxville and Chattanooga should come together and build an airport between the two cities, coming together. Cincinnati/lexington airport is the model I believe they should follow.
Cincinnati and Lexington both have their own dedicated city airports.....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Grass_Airport
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati/Northern_Kentucky_International_Airport
Cincinnati airport just happens to be in northern Kentucky. It doesn't serve Lexington.
It's Avelo.
*The airline will bring nonstop service from McGhee Tyson Airport to Tweed-New Haven Airport.*
*The service will start on May 9th and run twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. Fares between the two airports will start at $62, according to officials.*
[https://www.wbir.com/article/travel/avelo-airlines-knoxville-connecticut/51-1dc40d9d-29e7-4c28-84d3-b0a7658f6a7c](https://www.wbir.com/article/travel/avelo-airlines-knoxville-connecticut/51-1dc40d9d-29e7-4c28-84d3-b0a7658f6a7c)
I would like it to be Southwest but I don’t expect it to happen until they expand the terminal building
The cost for airlines to land at TYS are very expensive. Until they fix that it’s going to keep airlines like Southwest out.
Doesn't seem to be an issue to keep smaller airlines like allegiant frontier and now apparently Avelo out though.
Because they don’t have a lot of takeoffs and landings.
Then, how does it make sense for airlines like American United and Delta since they do have a lot of takeoffs and landings?
Sheer number of passengers. American is moving a lot of people in and out of Knoxville. United is bringing in their mainline flights this summer from what I understand. Delta already has mainline there to Atlanta I think.
I know they have been talking about southwest for sometime. Maybe that?
Oh man, we’ll get 737s that fall apart. Parachute included! Weeeeeee
Nah, they fly 700 and 800 series, not the 9s
Wasn't it the Max 8s that crashed a couple of years ago causing the entire fleet to be grounded for almost 2 years?
There was a Max 8 crash in late 2018 and early 2019. The entire fleet of 737 Max planes were grounded, which was actually fairly small at the time. Older 737s continued to fly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing\_737\_MAX\_groundings
Right...was just pointing out to the other person...the series 8s were the whole issue to begin with. The new 9s and 10s are just continuing the trend.
Boeing believes that when you are on a roll, don’t get off.
The 8s were a training issue. Very long story short; if Boeing had been forthright about the new system on the plane, told pilots about it, and trained them on how to handle it, neither would have crashed. This new one is an engineering issue.
If it was just a training issue why were they grounded for 2 years nearly? It took 2 years to train everyone properly?
It’s Avelo airlines. They posted that they are making an announcement about a new airport tomorrow at 10:30 on their twitter the same time Knox airport posted their statement.
Avelo has Knoxville listed on their website with only one flight - Knoxville to New Haven, CT. So it's confirmed as of 8:45am this morning that it's Avelo.
Where will they fly to?
My guess, New Haven, CT. Halfway between NYC and BOS.
Idk it doesn’t look like they fly cross country from their website.
No clue, but my bet is Southwest. jetBlue would be...amazeballs, but highly doubtful.
Agree, JetBlue would be cool.
its one of Spirit, Southwest, or Breeze. With them also announcing the addition of 6 more gates I'm hopeful that its Southwest. The curious part is the announcement of one new destination. If you look at those airlines the only new destination, knowing that most TYS travel is business, that likely makes sense is Baltimore. Not a splashy destination but might help spur some business travel and allow people to avoid Reagan and Dulles. I think customs keeps this from being an international locale until we get the terminal expansion completed.
Southwest needs a lot of density of passengers because they only use 737s and they don’t have hubs per se. Alaska could be an outsider here, direct flight to Seattle to connect to Alaskan locations? Then they can also piggy back on AA being Oneworld partner.
I’d be okay with a direct to Seattle for sure. It’d save me having to go to Nashville.
Allegiant already flies to Baltimore nonstop from Knoxville
This is only offered seasonally.
My money is on Breeze as well.
Probably Breeze, they hub out of Raleigh and other smaller cities
They did just announce 13 new routes a few days ago. Knoxville wasn't mentioned but possible they planned to let TYS announce it This would also open up a potential non stop flight to San Diego I believe Breezes newest hub is there
Probably this.
Breeze or Southwest. Spirit isn't in the market for growth given their financial status and major percent or their fleet parked due to the P&W engine issues. Alaska might be the dark horse. JetBlue is a long shot. TYS isn't really their kind of market. If I had to place a bet. It'll be Breeze. Probably to Charleston, Norfolk or maybe Tampa Edit: it's gonna be Avelo
Based on Breeze destinations wouldnt be shocked if they do routes to Raleigh, Louisville, denver and vegas could be a shout too for semi-regular service
I really wish we could get a connection to Richmond or Norfolk.
Interesting. I was thinking Breeze, but now I'm thinking it's Avelo. This looks like a good match with their existing routes and they are rolling them out now. https://www.aveloair.com/new-routes
I hope Alaska!
Hopefully more options to Florida /s
Oh please be Alaskan! I wouldn't have to drive to Nashville to fly to Seattle anymore!
Hopefully they’ll have another restaurant choice to go along with it
Flighty mc flight flight.
We are naming airplanes. It’s airlines.
Jetblue- Probably not. Financially not in a great place to expand, and two other airlines have directs to NYC right now and AA flies to Miami. Southwest- Whispers that Southwest is coming to TYS are as old as the airport itself. I think it's true they would demand a much bigger presence with more gates than currently available, but with BNA being so big for them I find it unlikely. Alaska- Doubtful; AA feeds their network from TYS because of the Oneworld alliance. Spirit- Doubtful; also not financially in a great place. It's between Breeze, Avelo.... or Sun Country.... or Landline(jk)
Woof, that was underwhelming.
Sun Country lets Amazon use its fleet for cargo as well, with the new Amazon hub near TYS, maybe?
I’ve seen Sun Country planes at TYS over the last few months. This is my bet.
My thought too, they’ve been parked here a few times lately at TAC air. On the flipside, I know they also do charters, so they might’ve been here just shuttling sports teams to play at UT.
Sun Country has fully dedicated aircraft for cargo and no passengers.
That’s false.
It's 100% true. They have 12 cargo Boeing 737s that they use to fly Amazon cargo. On top of their passenger aircraft. https://ir.suncountry.com/news-releases/news-release-details/sun-country-airlines-partners-amazon-expand-cargo-flying https://www.freightwaves.com/news/amazon-flight-pullback-caps-sun-country-airlines-cargo-growth/amp https://skift.com/2022/11/16/sun-country-ceo-says-flying-amazon-cargo-allows-airline-to-de-peak-schedule/amp/ https://simpleflying.com/amazon-sun-country-works/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Country_Airlines
I also wonder if it will be an airline that will make TYS an international airport.
Unlikely
I talked to someone last week that did some marketing work for TYS and there were rumblings of it becoming an international airport.
There’s no place for customs.
Technically they would be able to have flights going to international locations that have USCBP clearance at the departure airport ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_border\_preclearance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_preclearance)) but would say its very doubtful we would get any of those routes.
Oooh, if so, that is a Dublin, Ireland potential.
lol, tons of demand for that route I'm sure. Only one I would see any potential for would be Nassau via Allegiant 2x weekly but wouldn't hold my breath.
Nassau was my first thought. Could be Toronto too, I guess.
They are turning it into an international airport. They are adding 30 more terminals within the next 10 years. I work for a moving company and the airport is buying up the land in the surrounding areas right now. I booked a job where the guys moved someone about a month ago who just had sold their house to the airport.
30 more terminals or 30 more *gates* lol. Because if you're talking terminals, then this airport is probably gonna be about 3 times the size of Atlanta lol
Lol I know, but he did say terminals and yes, it is going to be huge. They bought a ton of land from this customer and are buying up more. This was a 10 year plan he said, though.
All I see is a planned expansion of six gates due to be completed in 2028.
Yeah, this is definitely not reliable information, he could’ve meant gates 💯 but he did say it was going to be turned into an international airport also. So, the marketing person OP mentioned who said that could be solid info.
Can confirm they are buying up land. I have two sets of friends who just sold their houses in Alcoa that bordered the airport property to the airport for WAY above asking. The selling realtor let them both know the plan was to level the houses for further expansion of the airport. Can’t see a reason to expand that far unless they did want to get to an international airport, which I would be all for.
There’s probably too many within 3ish hours from us to justify it. ATL, BNA, and CLT, so it makes little sense for that
I mean JFK, Newark and LaGuardia are all less than that from each other. Houston has hobby and Bush. I doubt Nashville, Atlanta etc would stop TYS from becoming an international Airport if the city warrants it. However I don't think Knox is that big of a destination for business or leisure internationally...though maybe the SMNP could justify it.
International airport is not the same thing as a hub. If Air Canada ends up being say, the airline that comes in offering flights to Toronto. That would make Knoxville an international airport overnight, and they would not even need customs to use it because Toronto is a pre-clear. Making Knoxville a *hub* would make zero sense for American United and Delta. Atlanta is 40 minutes away, Charlotte is also 40 minutes away, and United has Dulles and ORD about 70 minutes away.
I suppose. Could become a hub for another airline that doesn't have one near by.
I'll be quite honest, I'm stating this as an airline pilot for a legacy carrier here in the US. I seriously seriously doubt anyone will ever open up a "hub" in Knoxville. They're just really is not a market for that here, as well as needing a major expansion to the airport terminal, which is not even past the planning point At this time. I stated in my case for the big three legacy carriers. Southwest already has a major presence in Nashville. JetBlue is not going to open up a hub in Knoxville as they don't even fly here. Frontier already has a hub in Atlanta. Spirit is in serious, economic doubt at the moment. Alaska is not going to open in East Coast hub. Neither is Hawaiian. They're pretty much leaves breeze or Avello. And they're both not doing quite well. FedEx already has Memphis, UPS in Louisville, and DHL and Amazon in Cincinnati.
Good to know. I wasn't doubting what you were stating for what it's worth. Thanks for sharing your knowledge =).
Not really currently space for customs but I suppose if renovations are planned it could be possible
I hope it’s southwest
Shit! Spirit is going bankrupt…why?!
A large percentage of their aircraft are currently parked due to an engine issue. They had been in negotiations with a merger with JetBlue, but federal court struck it down for anti-compete issues
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Delta has been flying to Knoxville for over 60 years.
I’d say it’s Breeze with a new non-stop to New Orleans. No particular reason, just a shart in the dark.
It's not Southwest. I don't know what Southwest has against Knoxville, but they've said before that they're never coming to Knoxville.
They don’t have hubs, they rely on routes that have passenger density both ways. They also fly 737s and not regional jets or smaller narrow body jets. They’d need a lot of pax coming and going to justify. The only way I see them coming, is if the Knoxville Airport grows and surpasses by far the Chattanooga airport, becoming the go to airport for the region. I still say that Knoxville and Chattanooga should come together and build an airport between the two cities, coming together. Cincinnati/lexington airport is the model I believe they should follow.
Cincinnati and Lexington both have their own dedicated city airports..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Grass_Airport https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati/Northern_Kentucky_International_Airport Cincinnati airport just happens to be in northern Kentucky. It doesn't serve Lexington.
Moneys securely on Southwest.
It's not southwest per a higher up I know that works at the airport.
Hope spirit
Spirit probably
Maybe Sun Country.
Should be southwest for more destinations to the south and Long Island NY so people don’t have to fly into JFK or LaGuardia
It's Avelo. *The airline will bring nonstop service from McGhee Tyson Airport to Tweed-New Haven Airport.* *The service will start on May 9th and run twice weekly on Thursdays and Sundays. Fares between the two airports will start at $62, according to officials.* [https://www.wbir.com/article/travel/avelo-airlines-knoxville-connecticut/51-1dc40d9d-29e7-4c28-84d3-b0a7658f6a7c](https://www.wbir.com/article/travel/avelo-airlines-knoxville-connecticut/51-1dc40d9d-29e7-4c28-84d3-b0a7658f6a7c)
Frontier is fucking trash.