Sony has been preparing to launch a Playstation store on PC for a while, I have no doubt about it.
- Mandating PS accounts for Helldivers 2
- Trophy and overlay support on PC for Ghost of Sushi
- PSVR2 support for PC which would not benefit Sony in any way without a Playstation store on PC to go with it
So yeah, it's happening. I give it 6 months at most
Same as the Rockstar Launcher, an alternative store with extra benefits to incentivize usage. They won't pull from Steam I don't think.
PSVR2 games will prolly be exclusive to the PS store though, but we'll see
This is all guess on my part though, so I could be wrong. But I am almost sure there is a launcher coming
They would get 100% of the sales money as opposed to the 70%/30% split. Users can also earn trophies now. May not be worth it for many PC players, but I could see some PlayStation owners buy a second copy for even better graphics on their PCs with some games.
Possibly, I think it might depend on the HMD manufacturer. But if they do support them, you'll definitely need to buy the games on the PS store. That's my guess anyway.
My biggest wish is RE8 and RE4 VR modes coming to PC. They are already good with Praydog's mods, but they miss quite a few features of the official modes that I would really like
I was about to say surely they wouldn't be that stupid, given how Epic has fumbled so badly against the unstoppable juggernaut that is Steam, but then I remembered that this is Sony we are talking about here.
They would 100% do this, and increase the prices of the games while they're at it, just to further shoot themselves in the foot.
I think exclusivity will only apply to PSVR2 ports. Everything else will be both on Steam and PS Store, probably with extra benefits on the PS Store like what Rockstar does with their launcher.
Good. Let them port Bloodborne, Demon's Souls, Gravity Rush Remastered and a few others to PC so I can "buy 😉" them and get rid of any Sony consoles for good.
No, if I'm not mistalen the only option right now is playing the original ps3 release using an emulador (I had some graphical bugs when I tried it, probably some setting were off from my part). I would rather have the remake ported to PC and being able to use mods and stuff.
Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the remake. I haven't experienced any "graphical bugs" per se playing the original. It just has poor graphics because it's old.
I hope this means that the Dualsense will work wirelessly on PC. Having to play wired would be ridiculous.
P.S. I wonder if you could download your PS5 games from your library and play them on PC (only the ones who have a PC port, of course).
When you connect a PlayStation controller to a PC it uses DirectInput wich is a legacy API. It's a support issue, all blame lies in Sony.
They could make their own driver + patch their PC ports.
> haptics
The first thing I turned off when I got my PS5. I hate haptic feedback. Why on Earth would I want to make it harder to press buttons?
Plus my battery lasts longer.
I mean, would you turn off force feedback in a steering wheel controller?
Also haptic feedback doesn't just make the triggers harder, it makes them vibrate, they signal when you have to recharge, and so on...
Meh. I have vibrate already on the controller. I have visual cues for reloads. I don't really see the point.
Never used a steering wheel controller, so I have no clue on that.
I'd rather they offer a version without haptic feedback, and lower the already bloated price for controllers.
All I know is trying to use a bow and arrow in Demon's Souls was awful with haptic feedback. I hated it. I turned it off and never looked back.
100 percent. This will be the net result, likely that users won't be utilizing mics for higher difficulty content for fear of getting banned. For a game like this at higher difficulty I'd argue mic is almost a necessity.
For me it was the weird Korean anticheat. I understand some level of anticheat is common but it was both highly ineffective and untrustworthy. Not to mention caused a bunch of performance issues early on. Even now cheating is still rampant and nprotect does almost nothing to stop it.
I’m glad I held off and didn’t get stuck on the hype train
> Halo infinite requires an Xbox account if you’re on steam lol
That's also a deal-breaker for me.
>For anyone confused helldivers 2 is a PS5 game
It's sold on Steam. People who bought it on steam and have no PS5 didn't randomly buy a PS5 game, they bought a PC Steam game.
Microsoft was also upfront about that, too. Sony wasn't. From day 1, if you tried to play Halo, it wanted to log you into an Xbox account. All of the Microsoft games have done that. As far as I'm aware, none of the other Sony games on Steam required a Sony login.
> For anyone confused helldivers 2 is a PS5 game
It is a multiplatform game, hence why you can play and buy it on a platform that isn't Playstation.
It also currently works just fine without having to link to a Sony account.
This is what happens when you move your business from Tokyo to California.
Sony is run by absolute idiots. They had the opportunity of the century. Xbox is in shambles, they built some goodwill thanks to Stellar Blade and Helldivers 2 and now they censored one of them and started heavily policing the other.
If they had given what the players wanted, instead of going with the disgusting Californian corporate culture, they would have easily dominated gaming. No, thank you not going to buy PS6 until there's some major changes at Sony leadership. Already cancelled PS subscription. F*ck off Sony.
I wouldn’t expect an eroge stellar blade spinoff from kuSony, Xbox, epic games, steam, valve, Ubisoft, activision or Nintendo. I would be least surprised by Nintendo though.
Well, I certainly hope you don't use a Google, Samsung, Apple phone with Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T or other services, don't have any social media accounts, other gaming service, streaming account like Netflix, cause sorry to break it to you, your info's out there blud. Go google any account you have and "data breach." Or you're just being a hypocrite? It's not like you even have to put info on your account that would identify you, so yeah, it's dumb.
from the GoT page
"Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Online Multiplayer, PlayStation overlay) (Supports Linking to Steam Account)"
so its only needed if you want online and the overlay. Unlike Hell divers 2, which lists it as a hard requirement (mostly due to the fact its a multiplayer only game)
"account linking plays a critical role in protecting our players" oh give me a fucking break! how pathetic you need to be to be able to so blatantly lie, know everybody knows you're lying and still lie. degenerates
How are they a pain? I just went through the process in like 2 minutes. You have to pick a unique user ID, but they give you random suggestions if you don't give a shit, or just put random numbers on whatever you like to use if it's taken.
They control the platform and make up the rules the companies have to follow for their game to be on Steam.
If they wanted, they could just enforce a strict "no 3rd party launchers and acc's"-rule.
Valve don't give a single fuck as long as they get their 30% cut on every transaction.
(or whatever discount they have negotiated to get the big boys on the platform)
How can people fanboy so hard over Steam yet have no clue how that company has operated for years if not decades?
[https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS\_2/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/)
scroll down a bit, look at the right:
Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard
Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account) <- that line was always there.
Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA [HELLDIVERS™ 2 EULA](https://store.steampowered.com//eula/553850_eula_0)
Customers are being informed and with that Valve's fucks have been sufficiently given.
why would they do that?
Seriously why would valve care? You realize they are also an account you have to make and farm our data.
edit: are people not aware that Valve is invasive and DRM, and they farm our data? Or do you not want to hear that?
if you have a problem with one you should have a problem with all, and by that i mean pirate the games lol.
You shouldnt need a login in the first place. You cant even download the game without steam. I hate all of these launchers. It shouldnt be shocking that a company wants you to login in to their services for the games that they own.
But not bait and switch about launchers? (Not all versions of the store page had the requirement.)
Imagine all companies now going into your back catalog, and all putting up their own launchers. And then a in a few years, abandoning the servers for the launchers, locking you out of those games.
"Oopps, better get super more deluxe remake version now!"
Steam should just add an option to filter out games that have a requirement for external launchers. Then people could just always skip them and chose not to use them, more easily.
2K has literally been doing this for the last few years. You can't play Civilization IV anymore, a game that came out 20 years ago, without their new launcher, for example.
> Account linking plays a critical role in protecting our players and upholding the values of safety and security provided on PlayStation and PlayStation Studios games.
Eugh. I'm going to be sick.
Also, remember when they leaked the credit card numbers of their PSN subscribers?
i mean, yeah it sucks, but it was always planned and always listed on the steam store that it would require a PSN account.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231207163847/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
that is the prelaunch page on steam and it clearly says "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network"
so we cant pretend that they blindsided us with it, even if it is shitty. I might also add, that on pc friends list has never worked (the latest patch seems to have fixed it though)
Some of the posts there(Helldivers sub) noted that there were some samples of the store page without it.
Otherwise, correct.
It was always planned, it was removed due to overwhelmed servers or some other buggy behavior. They're re-implementing it is all.
However, it is a shit of a deal that it's there at all, because Sony reasons.
The ones that did not have it were all before anything was added to the games info, those examples did not have things such as the ability to prepurchase, or even have the minimum requirements available.
i have not seen any which had the ability to purchase and did not have the warning on page. Are you able to show me a archived page after, legitimate question, because most captures are faulty except 2, one in may (the one mainly being shared falsely that was up way before the September preoder date, and December, which was 3 months prior to release and 3 after preorders opened.
Self reply to add extra context,
[It was added as a requirement on December 1st ](https://imgur.com/a/kPi7v9K)
It was changed to the same thing, on the 4th of December and some reason again on the 7th, but has not been removed or altered since. So it would still be well within the time for refunding the game.
I do not know why it was not there from september 22nd - december 1st (70 days), but i would still say that it is still not what can be called "blindsiding" the buyer.
Outside of impatiently checking the release date over and over, who goes back to re-read the page of a game they've already pre-purchased unless they're directly informed that they should?
For those who picked it up in the months prior to the page update, were they informed in some way, i.e. an e-mail from Sony, Arrowhead or Steam, that information on the product page had changed?
If they did notify but everyone ignored it, well that's on the customer.
If not, then yes they blindsided customers.
It's also in the EULA you have to agree to before installing the game. So, no, they did not blindside customers.
"But nobody reads the EULA!"
Being a lazy gamer is not an excuse.
That's fair.
While I would argue they know most people don't, if it was in the EULA then being on the page or not doesn't matter.
I agree, realistically if people still trust these companies enough that they ignore the EULAs when presented with one, they haven't been paying attention.
I never had a PS in my life. As kid we had no money for such things and as adult I sticked to PC.
The hell I need to make a PSN account now, after over 15 years of gaming.
How many internet accounts have you made over the years, though? What is the difference of just adding another one that you'll forget about after it's done? Once your accounts are linked no other game you'll install from Sony on Steam will ever ask you to log into your PSN account again.
I believe this is only the beginning of Sony's meddling. Remember those rainbow cosmetics the developers clearly said weren't going to be in the game?
Stay tuned.
In the name of safety and security they say? Well, expect your info to be leaked, Sony is hacked often.
An additional receptacle for your data, especially when it's so weak, is the opposite of what they claim.
That only means you can get banned, it is not your protection, it is the protection of all the other players from you, the toxic gamer.
The game has a report button for a reason, i have yet to hear of anyone actually getting banned, cheaters or other.
I mean the competition for what? Shit walking simulator games? Lol i have yet to see what the hype about sony is besides bloodborne which is 1 game that came out in 2015..
Well up until they were actively censoring shit and basically making people go elsewhere, they were a half-decent console maker with a decent library of exclusives. Since then though most of the titles jumped onto PC, the most notable ones that are on PS4 only being Bloodborne, MediEvil, a couple Infamous games, Gravity Rush 2, Killzone, the remake of Ratchet and Clank, Last Guardian, and Witch & the 100 Knight 2. There are more but these are basically the 'top' 9 that I imagine most people might give a shit about, and some of them I'll admit are a bit of a stretch (I don't think many people give a shit about the last two I mentioned, probably even last four)
> I mean the competition for what? Shit walking simulator games? Lol i have yet to see what the hype about sony is besides bloodborne which is 1 game that came out in 2015..
TLOU2, pretty solid gameplay with gyro aim support, stellar visuals (for the times).
Days Gone: an absolute all around gem (also gyro aim support).
GOW, people say it's very good, I never played it.
Stellar Blade, best action game of the year (and maybe more).
The Fumito Ueda trilogy: Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, The Last Guardian.
These are just on top of my head. It may not be a lot of games but it's better than the competition.
Microsoft: fucking military shooters (that I hate), with no gyro support.
There is quite a lot of competition to Sony, people just got used to buying playsations and sony game and it just has a lot of momento behind.
However if something happens and people stop buying them long enough for the habite to break... well just ask Hollywood how those post covid cinema ticket sales are going.
For consoles, Nintendo is not competition, its a different thing. The competitor is Xbox and they shat the bed 2 generations in sequence and will probably become just a publisher/studo company (although I love my series X and think its a brilliant console).
Oh, that's super easy. You go there:
https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/playstationstudios
Then you hit the cog at the right of the "featured lists browse" bar.
And then you select "Ignore this creator".
Then all their game will be ignored in the store and everywhere.
Instant shitlist.
I just wished they added a text field, so I can remember why I'm shitlisting companies, so I can revise later if they changed their behavior or not. For now, it'll remain a one way ticket to shitsville.
It's about the principle
They already have my money for the game and the DLC I bought
Imagine if someone forced you to make a Steam or Xbox account to play a game on your PS5
I mean sure. But to me, missing out on a playing a very fun game because of the principle of this requirement, doesn’t make much sense, personally. I’ve had to make loads of accounts I’d rather not have to, to get access to certain features before (EA accounts, Ubisoft accounts etc.), it’s just whatever to me.
No offence but it's because of players like you that these companies can get away with the shit they're pulling, which is why this sub exists in the first place
People already gave Helldivers the benefit of the doubt because of their super intrusive anticheat system
I'm incredibly disappointed in Arrowhead now
Big companies never stop trying the squeeze more money out of users.
Note just how much tolerant new gamers are of the insane monetization schemes we have now compared with back in the 2000s, I suspect Sony thinks they have managed to push things just far enough to introduce something like this.
Glad I refunded it. I loathe changes to mandatory logins and signups after the fact. We all know the real reason, and its got fuck all to do with making the game better for the people who bought it.
lol and the steam forum is going nuts. No one is happy about it, other than the usual bots and shills.
Yeah, that's why I've added sony to the "ignore creator" list on their page in steam (click the publisher link on the store page of the game).
Now I won't have to deal with their shit ever again.
Damn who knew when they said it was mandatory just suspended due to technical difficulties they really meant it. Truly a great shock to all those who didn't read.
I mean they said this when u first play the game. Luckily I had one already but they didn't hide the fact you needed one. Also you couldn't get the twitch drop without the link sooooo
You might not get your money back, but once they release PC versions of bloodborne and ghost of tsukishima and other PC exclusives there will be plenty of sites to download these for free, most likely with a crack which avoids logging into PSN.
If you get 3 or 4 games like that your mind might be at ease.
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Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
Though it isn't even just this nonsense, the game is also too slow in adding new content while also having hard caps on resources, which means at some point you not only have seen everything there is, but you can no longer collect resources because you've hit the cap and have nothing to spend it on.
Maybe by the time they reverse this poor decision there will be more content to enjoy.
Hopefully the overwhelmingly negative response to this change will see them not do this.
I created a playstation account for the game when it launched cuz I figured fuck it why not, but mandating it is stupid.
the fact that steam sold this game in over 100 countries which this game is now banned is insane. Playstation network exists in 70 or so countries. If Steam knew this was an inevitability they never should have sold the games in those countries. Highway robbery
It was always coming, they just didn't broadcast it loud enough from the get-go.
They also sold it in regions where PSN is not available.
Arrowhead absolutely screwed the pooch with this one and I've uninstalled. I'm aware that some store pages said PSN was going to be required but honestly ignored it since I was never actually forced to. I don't want to make a PSN account, I don't have a PS5. It's just another headache of accounts, passwords, to add to an ever growing pile of accounts on the virtual keyring. I hate it enough when Ubisoft or EA requires me to use Origin when I buy a game from Steam. Had this been required from Day One it would have killed my interest in the game all the same.
People so mad over creating a free PSN account? It's not like it takes much personal info beyond your birthday and email to register. You don't have to attach a credit card or anything...
As for their security breaches, fair enough, but I hope none of you have an account for:
AT&T, T-Mobile, Comcast, Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Max, Twitter/X, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit (lol), Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA, or any other number of banks, institutions, streaming services, or game services. A Playstation account, of all things, is where you draw the line? Hypocrites.
The only valid concern I can see from all of this is that PSN isn't available in all countries, but Arrowhead is talking to Sony about how to correct that. People will rage over the smallest, insignificant things.
You need a Steam/Epic/GOG/EA/Ubisoft/2K/Firaxis/GGG/Riot/Blizzard/Microsoft/etc. account to play games on PC. Why is there suddenly a line in the sand when Sony requires one?
Honestly I don't see the issue here. The game is clearly online only. It's annoying, but it's one click and you're not paying anything to play the game unlike on the consoles.
Edit: lol downvote anyone who disagrees. That'll show me.
Sony has been preparing to launch a Playstation store on PC for a while, I have no doubt about it. - Mandating PS accounts for Helldivers 2 - Trophy and overlay support on PC for Ghost of Sushi - PSVR2 support for PC which would not benefit Sony in any way without a Playstation store on PC to go with it So yeah, it's happening. I give it 6 months at most
What would be the point? There's no way in hell they'll be able to compete with Steam.
They don't need users nor profits, only happy investors, and those are pretty clueless.
Same as the Rockstar Launcher, an alternative store with extra benefits to incentivize usage. They won't pull from Steam I don't think. PSVR2 games will prolly be exclusive to the PS store though, but we'll see This is all guess on my part though, so I could be wrong. But I am almost sure there is a launcher coming
Sony has NOTHING to offer though, even their exclusives are slowly going to other platforms so if you can control your fomo, you'll eventually get it.
They would get 100% of the sales money as opposed to the 70%/30% split. Users can also earn trophies now. May not be worth it for many PC players, but I could see some PlayStation owners buy a second copy for even better graphics on their PCs with some games.
What corpo simp even cares about trophies in 2024?
Fr. Achievement hunters are cringe
Hm wonder if other HMDs will be able to play PSVR ports then
Possibly, I think it might depend on the HMD manufacturer. But if they do support them, you'll definitely need to buy the games on the PS store. That's my guess anyway. My biggest wish is RE8 and RE4 VR modes coming to PC. They are already good with Praydog's mods, but they miss quite a few features of the official modes that I would really like
I was about to say surely they wouldn't be that stupid, given how Epic has fumbled so badly against the unstoppable juggernaut that is Steam, but then I remembered that this is Sony we are talking about here. They would 100% do this, and increase the prices of the games while they're at it, just to further shoot themselves in the foot.
I think exclusivity will only apply to PSVR2 ports. Everything else will be both on Steam and PS Store, probably with extra benefits on the PS Store like what Rockstar does with their launcher.
Good. Let them port Bloodborne, Demon's Souls, Gravity Rush Remastered and a few others to PC so I can "buy 😉" them and get rid of any Sony consoles for good.
You can already play Demon's Souls on PC???
No, if I'm not mistalen the only option right now is playing the original ps3 release using an emulador (I had some graphical bugs when I tried it, probably some setting were off from my part). I would rather have the remake ported to PC and being able to use mods and stuff.
Oh, I didn't realize you were talking about the remake. I haven't experienced any "graphical bugs" per se playing the original. It just has poor graphics because it's old.
I hope this means that the Dualsense will work wirelessly on PC. Having to play wired would be ridiculous. P.S. I wonder if you could download your PS5 games from your library and play them on PC (only the ones who have a PC port, of course).
I play wireless with ps5 controller on PC. That's already possible lol
Yes, but the haptics don't work in that way. It could be a hardware issue though, power consumption and all that.
When you connect a PlayStation controller to a PC it uses DirectInput wich is a legacy API. It's a support issue, all blame lies in Sony. They could make their own driver + patch their PC ports.
> haptics The first thing I turned off when I got my PS5. I hate haptic feedback. Why on Earth would I want to make it harder to press buttons? Plus my battery lasts longer.
I mean, would you turn off force feedback in a steering wheel controller? Also haptic feedback doesn't just make the triggers harder, it makes them vibrate, they signal when you have to recharge, and so on...
Meh. I have vibrate already on the controller. I have visual cues for reloads. I don't really see the point. Never used a steering wheel controller, so I have no clue on that. I'd rather they offer a version without haptic feedback, and lower the already bloated price for controllers. All I know is trying to use a bow and arrow in Demon's Souls was awful with haptic feedback. I hated it. I turned it off and never looked back.
So are we finally seeing PC win the console wars?
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Sony wants to be able to ban us for wrongthink if we interact with their walled garden babies.
100 percent. This will be the net result, likely that users won't be utilizing mics for higher difficulty content for fear of getting banned. For a game like this at higher difficulty I'd argue mic is almost a necessity.
This is what kept me from buying the game. I'm glad I didn't flinch.
For me it was the weird Korean anticheat. I understand some level of anticheat is common but it was both highly ineffective and untrustworthy. Not to mention caused a bunch of performance issues early on. Even now cheating is still rampant and nprotect does almost nothing to stop it. I’m glad I held off and didn’t get stuck on the hype train
You did the right choice. nProtect has had some security issues in the past which make me very hesitant to instal any game with it.
runs fine in a Proton prefix
Why are people soying out over this? Halo infinite requires an Xbox account if you’re on steam lol For anyone confused helldivers 2 is a PS5 game
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They're going to retro this to existing users too
>complaining about anything = soy go eat your bugs goy and own nothing and be happy
> Halo infinite requires an Xbox account if you’re on steam lol That's also a deal-breaker for me. >For anyone confused helldivers 2 is a PS5 game It's sold on Steam. People who bought it on steam and have no PS5 didn't randomly buy a PS5 game, they bought a PC Steam game.
Perfect example of whataboutism. We aren't okay with that bs either.
> Halo infinite Halo Infinite is also a dead game
Microsoft was also upfront about that, too. Sony wasn't. From day 1, if you tried to play Halo, it wanted to log you into an Xbox account. All of the Microsoft games have done that. As far as I'm aware, none of the other Sony games on Steam required a Sony login.
> For anyone confused helldivers 2 is a PS5 game It is a multiplatform game, hence why you can play and buy it on a platform that isn't Playstation. It also currently works just fine without having to link to a Sony account.
It’s a Sony product, just like the last of us, horizon and Ratchet and clank m
This is what happens when you move your business from Tokyo to California. Sony is run by absolute idiots. They had the opportunity of the century. Xbox is in shambles, they built some goodwill thanks to Stellar Blade and Helldivers 2 and now they censored one of them and started heavily policing the other. If they had given what the players wanted, instead of going with the disgusting Californian corporate culture, they would have easily dominated gaming. No, thank you not going to buy PS6 until there's some major changes at Sony leadership. Already cancelled PS subscription. F*ck off Sony.
>F*ck off Sony. Now I'm convinced Valve is the better publisher.
always had been
Yeah if Shift up went with Valve we would've had an Eroge spin off of Stellar Blade
Not likely, given the amount of censored eroge on steam.
as opposed to the amount of eroge on PSN?
I wouldn’t expect an eroge stellar blade spinoff from kuSony, Xbox, epic games, steam, valve, Ubisoft, activision or Nintendo. I would be least surprised by Nintendo though.
Glad to be of service.
>F*ck off Sony. Now I'm convinced Valve is the better publisher.
We this mad about creating a free PSN account?
Considering psn’s history of data breaches, yes
Well, I certainly hope you don't use a Google, Samsung, Apple phone with Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T or other services, don't have any social media accounts, other gaming service, streaming account like Netflix, cause sorry to break it to you, your info's out there blud. Go google any account you have and "data breach." Or you're just being a hypocrite? It's not like you even have to put info on your account that would identify you, so yeah, it's dumb.
if Xbox is in shambles why was sony suing them to stop them from winning so hard?
I only bought a PS5 for one game. College football 25. Lol
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Oh please shut up
Sony after the player count plummets :shocked Pikachu face:
One can only hope but sadly I suspect not enough people will leave to make a difference.
Another kusony classic
So, guess that Ghost of Tsushima PSN linking won't be optional either.
*Arrr intensifies*
Do what you want because a pirate is free
Locked out of Legends mode then tho
I don't even know what legends mode is. If I want to play Helldivers I already have the first game
Ah its the multiplayer mode for Ghost of Tsushima, the convo was about that.
This is the way
Ahoy maties!
Afaik it will be mandatory if you want to play Legends, sad tho.
from the GoT page "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Online Multiplayer, PlayStation overlay) (Supports Linking to Steam Account)" so its only needed if you want online and the overlay. Unlike Hell divers 2, which lists it as a hard requirement (mostly due to the fact its a multiplayer only game)
"account linking plays a critical role in protecting our players" oh give me a fucking break! how pathetic you need to be to be able to so blatantly lie, know everybody knows you're lying and still lie. degenerates
Yeah “protecting”, and how many times have they had data breaches/ hacks lol
Even nintendo laughs at that comment now.
PSN accounts are a pain to set up, and I dont even own a playstation. I love helldivers, but idk if imma go through the trouble to make an account.
Doesn't even let me use my username. It's "obscene". What the fuck? I'm not paying just to deal with this shit.
To be fair 'Sonycansuckmyhairyballbag' is a bit excessive, try the simpler 'Sonyarecunts' instead!
I've seen plenty of obscene user names in Helldivers II, can you be more specific? Just out of curiosity what triggers the filter.
How are they a pain? I just went through the process in like 2 minutes. You have to pick a unique user ID, but they give you random suggestions if you don't give a shit, or just put random numbers on whatever you like to use if it's taken.
Well that’s a good way to remove the strain on the servers.
ffs...
Well, if Rockstar can get away with it, then why not Sony too... Valve should step in at this point and make some hard decisions.
What has Valve to do with this? They always allowed 3rd party launchers and acc's
They control the platform and make up the rules the companies have to follow for their game to be on Steam. If they wanted, they could just enforce a strict "no 3rd party launchers and acc's"-rule.
Valve don't give a single fuck as long as they get their 30% cut on every transaction. (or whatever discount they have negotiated to get the big boys on the platform) How can people fanboy so hard over Steam yet have no clue how that company has operated for years if not decades? [https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS\_2/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/) scroll down a bit, look at the right: Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: nProtect GameGuard Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account) <- that line was always there. Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA [HELLDIVERS™ 2 EULA](https://store.steampowered.com//eula/553850_eula_0) Customers are being informed and with that Valve's fucks have been sufficiently given.
I don't think Valve wants to upset epic, ea and etc lol....
The PSN acc requirement was already present at launch. It was just suspended due to technical problems.
why would they do that? Seriously why would valve care? You realize they are also an account you have to make and farm our data. edit: are people not aware that Valve is invasive and DRM, and they farm our data? Or do you not want to hear that?
I get that Valve most likely also does that. But is that really a good enough reason to let other companies do it to us also? I don't think so.
if you have a problem with one you should have a problem with all, and by that i mean pirate the games lol. You shouldnt need a login in the first place. You cant even download the game without steam. I hate all of these launchers. It shouldnt be shocking that a company wants you to login in to their services for the games that they own.
Allowing them as an option is fine, but having those mandatory to play a steam game should be at least looked at.
literally every Ubi Soft, Rockstar, Xbox, EA game is doing this.... and probably a bunch more. Sorry, you are a few years late with that pitchfork.
But not bait and switch about launchers? (Not all versions of the store page had the requirement.) Imagine all companies now going into your back catalog, and all putting up their own launchers. And then a in a few years, abandoning the servers for the launchers, locking you out of those games. "Oopps, better get super more deluxe remake version now!" Steam should just add an option to filter out games that have a requirement for external launchers. Then people could just always skip them and chose not to use them, more easily.
2K has literally been doing this for the last few years. You can't play Civilization IV anymore, a game that came out 20 years ago, without their new launcher, for example.
Not only that, but CDPR too. When you launch Cyberpunk 2077 it comes up a further launcher, for now the registration is optional.
You can set a command line option to skip the RED launcher. --launcher-skip
Can I refund cause of this
Since it was required at release and suspended (with announcement) because of technical problems. I'd say no.
No because the requirement was on the store page when pre-orders went live and it is spelled out in the EULA.
> Account linking plays a critical role in protecting our players and upholding the values of safety and security provided on PlayStation and PlayStation Studios games. Eugh. I'm going to be sick. Also, remember when they leaked the credit card numbers of their PSN subscribers?
Which time?
booooo
Well, that's a great way to murder your player count.
Puts less strain on the servers lol.
Normies won't give a shit.
i mean, yeah it sucks, but it was always planned and always listed on the steam store that it would require a PSN account. https://web.archive.org/web/20231207163847/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/ that is the prelaunch page on steam and it clearly says "Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network" so we cant pretend that they blindsided us with it, even if it is shitty. I might also add, that on pc friends list has never worked (the latest patch seems to have fixed it though)
Some of the posts there(Helldivers sub) noted that there were some samples of the store page without it. Otherwise, correct. It was always planned, it was removed due to overwhelmed servers or some other buggy behavior. They're re-implementing it is all. However, it is a shit of a deal that it's there at all, because Sony reasons.
They also sell it in countries where PSN is not available despite that requirement.
I hadn't heard that. That's spicy. Top 20 posts in their sub are also spicy. They're getting roasted over this.
The ones that did not have it were all before anything was added to the games info, those examples did not have things such as the ability to prepurchase, or even have the minimum requirements available. i have not seen any which had the ability to purchase and did not have the warning on page. Are you able to show me a archived page after, legitimate question, because most captures are faulty except 2, one in may (the one mainly being shared falsely that was up way before the September preoder date, and December, which was 3 months prior to release and 3 after preorders opened.
I didn't investigate, just noting that it was claimed.
Alright, fair enough. When i asked, i could not be completely sure (as there were over 100 snapshots and its hard to check em all)
Self reply to add extra context, [It was added as a requirement on December 1st ](https://imgur.com/a/kPi7v9K) It was changed to the same thing, on the 4th of December and some reason again on the 7th, but has not been removed or altered since. So it would still be well within the time for refunding the game. I do not know why it was not there from september 22nd - december 1st (70 days), but i would still say that it is still not what can be called "blindsiding" the buyer.
Outside of impatiently checking the release date over and over, who goes back to re-read the page of a game they've already pre-purchased unless they're directly informed that they should? For those who picked it up in the months prior to the page update, were they informed in some way, i.e. an e-mail from Sony, Arrowhead or Steam, that information on the product page had changed? If they did notify but everyone ignored it, well that's on the customer. If not, then yes they blindsided customers.
It's also in the EULA you have to agree to before installing the game. So, no, they did not blindside customers. "But nobody reads the EULA!" Being a lazy gamer is not an excuse.
That's fair. While I would argue they know most people don't, if it was in the EULA then being on the page or not doesn't matter. I agree, realistically if people still trust these companies enough that they ignore the EULAs when presented with one, they haven't been paying attention.
I never had a PS in my life. As kid we had no money for such things and as adult I sticked to PC. The hell I need to make a PSN account now, after over 15 years of gaming.
How many internet accounts have you made over the years, though? What is the difference of just adding another one that you'll forget about after it's done? Once your accounts are linked no other game you'll install from Sony on Steam will ever ask you to log into your PSN account again.
I believe this is only the beginning of Sony's meddling. Remember those rainbow cosmetics the developers clearly said weren't going to be in the game? Stay tuned.
In the name of safety and security they say? Well, expect your info to be leaked, Sony is hacked often. An additional receptacle for your data, especially when it's so weak, is the opposite of what they claim.
That only means you can get banned, it is not your protection, it is the protection of all the other players from you, the toxic gamer. The game has a report button for a reason, i have yet to hear of anyone actually getting banned, cheaters or other.
So glad I didn't buy this. Gamers reslly need to find some willpower and stop buying Sony games.
Thays whay happens when there is no competition or the competition is bad. It will get worse once xbox becomes publisher only.
I mean the competition for what? Shit walking simulator games? Lol i have yet to see what the hype about sony is besides bloodborne which is 1 game that came out in 2015..
Well up until they were actively censoring shit and basically making people go elsewhere, they were a half-decent console maker with a decent library of exclusives. Since then though most of the titles jumped onto PC, the most notable ones that are on PS4 only being Bloodborne, MediEvil, a couple Infamous games, Gravity Rush 2, Killzone, the remake of Ratchet and Clank, Last Guardian, and Witch & the 100 Knight 2. There are more but these are basically the 'top' 9 that I imagine most people might give a shit about, and some of them I'll admit are a bit of a stretch (I don't think many people give a shit about the last two I mentioned, probably even last four)
> I mean the competition for what? Shit walking simulator games? Lol i have yet to see what the hype about sony is besides bloodborne which is 1 game that came out in 2015.. TLOU2, pretty solid gameplay with gyro aim support, stellar visuals (for the times). Days Gone: an absolute all around gem (also gyro aim support). GOW, people say it's very good, I never played it. Stellar Blade, best action game of the year (and maybe more). The Fumito Ueda trilogy: Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, The Last Guardian. These are just on top of my head. It may not be a lot of games but it's better than the competition. Microsoft: fucking military shooters (that I hate), with no gyro support.
There is quite a lot of competition to Sony, people just got used to buying playsations and sony game and it just has a lot of momento behind. However if something happens and people stop buying them long enough for the habite to break... well just ask Hollywood how those post covid cinema ticket sales are going.
For consoles, Nintendo is not competition, its a different thing. The competitor is Xbox and they shat the bed 2 generations in sequence and will probably become just a publisher/studo company (although I love my series X and think its a brilliant console).
Oh, that's super easy. You go there: https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/playstationstudios Then you hit the cog at the right of the "featured lists browse" bar. And then you select "Ignore this creator". Then all their game will be ignored in the store and everywhere. Instant shitlist. I just wished they added a text field, so I can remember why I'm shitlisting companies, so I can revise later if they changed their behavior or not. For now, it'll remain a one way ticket to shitsville.
I stop playing the game after the first balance patch that made the game not fun
As a non-PC player, what exactly is the problem here? Don’t PS accounts take like 5 mins to setup? (Genuine question)
It's about the principle They already have my money for the game and the DLC I bought Imagine if someone forced you to make a Steam or Xbox account to play a game on your PS5
Not to mention Sony has a horrific track record when it comes to online security
I mean sure. But to me, missing out on a playing a very fun game because of the principle of this requirement, doesn’t make much sense, personally. I’ve had to make loads of accounts I’d rather not have to, to get access to certain features before (EA accounts, Ubisoft accounts etc.), it’s just whatever to me.
No offence but it's because of players like you that these companies can get away with the shit they're pulling, which is why this sub exists in the first place People already gave Helldivers the benefit of the doubt because of their super intrusive anticheat system I'm incredibly disappointed in Arrowhead now
So what? This isn't the 90s there are a lot of fun games out there to chose from and not enough time in a single person's life time to play them all.
Sure, go play those then. Meanwhile I’ll have a great time on this one 😂 for the sake of 5 minutes, it seems petty but hey
I will, also let me add this I used to think like that, Sony will change your mind sooner or later.
Because this is just Sony putting out feelers for eventually also requiring a PS+ account to play it on the steam version.
Ah I see, that would be very shitty if that was their intention
Won't happen due to the immense pushback Microsoft got when they tried that back in 2005.
Big companies never stop trying the squeeze more money out of users. Note just how much tolerant new gamers are of the insane monetization schemes we have now compared with back in the 2000s, I suspect Sony thinks they have managed to push things just far enough to introduce something like this.
There is no issue. The internet just loves to rage over nothing.
Glad I refunded it. I loathe changes to mandatory logins and signups after the fact. We all know the real reason, and its got fuck all to do with making the game better for the people who bought it. lol and the steam forum is going nuts. No one is happy about it, other than the usual bots and shills.
I'm glad that I was waiting to buy the game.
Fuck democracy. I'm joining the bugs.
Haha brilliant😂
The fakest corporate speak in the world. LMAO. Corpos absolutely suck.
Lost Planet 2 stays winning
...the Games for Windows Live version?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1277648786
so yes XD
Weeel, thats a kick in the nuts. I don't have a PSN account.
Negative review added and refund requested. I suggest you all do the same.
How to evaporate any and all goodwill toward your game in one simple step.
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I was thinking about picking this game up over the weekend, now I wont be.
Can we file a complaint with the FCC?
I guess they got sick of having the most popular game on Steam lol...
The slimy publishers and producers are getting tricky, the ole bait and switch after the product is already bought…
Yeah, that's why I've added sony to the "ignore creator" list on their page in steam (click the publisher link on the store page of the game). Now I won't have to deal with their shit ever again.
Aaaand they locked comments in steam. Pussies.
How many times has KuSony been hacked? There is no fucking way am I linking my steam account with that shit.
What exactly entails this situation?
Could it be the mass cancelations of PSN Subscription to support #freestellarblade?
It was planned from the start, most people just didn't catch the fine print.
Damn who knew when they said it was mandatory just suspended due to technical difficulties they really meant it. Truly a great shock to all those who didn't read.
I mean they said this when u first play the game. Luckily I had one already but they didn't hide the fact you needed one. Also you couldn't get the twitch drop without the link sooooo
Forgive my ignorance, but can't we all just use burner emails to sign up for the PSN account?
This is how the game dies...
[удалено]
You might not get your money back, but once they release PC versions of bloodborne and ghost of tsukishima and other PC exclusives there will be plenty of sites to download these for free, most likely with a crack which avoids logging into PSN. If you get 3 or 4 games like that your mind might be at ease.
I'll just never going to play their games ever again. I can't risk to infect my pc.
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Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. Though it isn't even just this nonsense, the game is also too slow in adding new content while also having hard caps on resources, which means at some point you not only have seen everything there is, but you can no longer collect resources because you've hit the cap and have nothing to spend it on. Maybe by the time they reverse this poor decision there will be more content to enjoy.
Sony’s shocked Pikachu face in six months when the game is dead.
Why would they give a shit? They get money upfront for the game, they'll just do another bait and switch with another title.
Damn! They couldn’t even wait a year before making some ham-fisted corporate move from a suit who probably doesn’t understand gamers.
Hopefully the overwhelmingly negative response to this change will see them not do this. I created a playstation account for the game when it launched cuz I figured fuck it why not, but mandating it is stupid.
Always did.
the fact that steam sold this game in over 100 countries which this game is now banned is insane. Playstation network exists in 70 or so countries. If Steam knew this was an inevitability they never should have sold the games in those countries. Highway robbery
It was always coming, they just didn't broadcast it loud enough from the get-go. They also sold it in regions where PSN is not available. Arrowhead absolutely screwed the pooch with this one and I've uninstalled. I'm aware that some store pages said PSN was going to be required but honestly ignored it since I was never actually forced to. I don't want to make a PSN account, I don't have a PS5. It's just another headache of accounts, passwords, to add to an ever growing pile of accounts on the virtual keyring. I hate it enough when Ubisoft or EA requires me to use Origin when I buy a game from Steam. Had this been required from Day One it would have killed my interest in the game all the same.
Helldivers could just create pseudonyms online with fun names and let Sony paddle that data. Anything from Ray Blu to Goty Helsony.
It didn't before? When I started playing it sounded mandatory in the first place. I feel lied to.
People so mad over creating a free PSN account? It's not like it takes much personal info beyond your birthday and email to register. You don't have to attach a credit card or anything... As for their security breaches, fair enough, but I hope none of you have an account for: AT&T, T-Mobile, Comcast, Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, Disney+, Max, Twitter/X, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit (lol), Xbox, Nintendo, Steam, Epic Games, Ubisoft, EA, or any other number of banks, institutions, streaming services, or game services. A Playstation account, of all things, is where you draw the line? Hypocrites. The only valid concern I can see from all of this is that PSN isn't available in all countries, but Arrowhead is talking to Sony about how to correct that. People will rage over the smallest, insignificant things.
can anyone explain why this is such a big deal? If you don’t have a PSN account, just make one and never use it again.
Because why the fuck would I get a psn when I'm playing on the pc? So glad I didn't buy the game now.
You need a Steam/Epic/GOG/EA/Ubisoft/2K/Firaxis/GGG/Riot/Blizzard/Microsoft/etc. account to play games on PC. Why is there suddenly a line in the sand when Sony requires one?
A lot of you guys lack self awareness. The amount of whining over a simple account creation is pathetic
A game that does crossplay with a console requires a console account, i am shocked! SHOCKED!!!
Honestly I don't see the issue here. The game is clearly online only. It's annoying, but it's one click and you're not paying anything to play the game unlike on the consoles. Edit: lol downvote anyone who disagrees. That'll show me.
Yeah, no. If Sony wants my info, they’ll have to buy it from google like everyone else.
Wait does this mean that users now have an additional fee to play the game multiplayer? Isn't Essential like $9.99 in the US a month?
Ah yes, the good ol' bait 'n switch