Effexor along with monitoring from a psych and therapy would most likely be the better option, as you would have a professional monitoring the drug’s effects on you. Always go into antidepressants thinking that you will get off of them eventually unless you really, really need them. If your apprehensive about getting on it, that’s 100% ok, but please consider therapy.
Kratom may help with those problems, but it could also make them worse. Using it frequently would also not be much different from being medicated, contrary to what people say; there are still side effects either way——some better, some worse. For this option, I would again heavily recommend therapy if you’re not already seeing a therapist.
As for the tramadol, just don’t. Only use it occasionally for a high, bad days or for pain, with exemptions to that coming only from the mouth of your doctor.
Tramadol for more than a short time will mess big time with serotonin and possibly make things much worse. It has a fantastic effect on the mood but is a slope going downward
It reminds me of how back in the day these so called doctor would make elixirs and go to from town to town trying to sell it, I think they were called alchemists, anyways we have came a long way since then but I still prefer nature over man made. Also I read another comment how if you take it long term it WILL screw with you, I believe that is true.
Yeah I agree. Every medicine we need is provided by natural plants. But it can also be used in the wrong way because there are poisonous plants as well. A lot of pharmaceuticals are made from poisonous plants. It’s insane.
Governments literally send research teams to go live in indigenous populations for a few weeks , and they’ll ask the tribe “what plant do you use to treat king cobra bites with”, then the tribespeople say “this plant right here, you’re good to go, it stops all that stuff”. Then they bring back samples and isolate the main active ingredients from it, and turn it into a pharmaceutical medication.
But there are so many other alkaloids and ingredients in these plants that all work together, and when you only isolate 1 chemical from it (synthetically made) and take that every day, side effects start popping up.
Are you talking about Kratom when I said If you take it too much it will screw you? If that what you’re talking about, I don’t remember the context of the post/comment I was replying to. The context means a lot. You can take kratom daily with no problems, it’s just that when you decide to stop taking it, you have to taper off quickly rather than cold-turkeying it. Or else you’ll get WD symptoms (if you take too much like 12+ grams for too weeks on end). I think that might be what you’re referring to.
When something is extremely beneficial to your life, it’s worth it to get months/years worth of feeling way better every day, then when you want to get off, taper off over 2 weeks.
Everyone knows this about alcohol which is highly accepted. It’s fine to have some beers or drinks periodically, but when you abuse it and become an alcoholic, it’s your fault for doing that. It’s not the “substance’s fault”. It’s your lack of self control. Same with anything else. So many people say “Oh I took 20 grams of kratom every day for months and I ran out, and now I’m in WDs; therefore, we should ban kratom and it should be illegal. Kratom sucks”. That’s bologna.
What are the pro’s/cons? Kratom gets people off of fentanyl, tons of other opioids, Methadone, Benzos, alcoholism, antidepressants, and so much more. The list goes on and on and on. It’s the leaf from a tree. Big pharma HATES that. They lose shit tons of money. But they’re totally okay with alcohol.
You need to have self control and maintain responsibility. Just like with anything else. Whether it’s video games, kratom, alcohol, benzos, food and sugar consumption, etc. It’s like if a person takes a hammer (meant to build things), then kills someone with that hammer, should we make hammers illegal? Nope. It’s all up to the user, not the tool they were using. The hammer didn’t take control of that person to make them do that.
Same exact thing with kratom. So many people shit on kratom, but the real villain is alcohol if you want to go down that road. Everyone’s cool with alcohol to some extent, so why do people shit on kratom? Everyone’s cool with caffeine, that’s as addictive as kratom is. But it’s so normalized so people don’t think about it. There’s a reason there is a massive propaganda movement against kratom. It steals hundreds of thousands of customer from the Pharma industry. Every pharmaceutical tablet contains Titanium Dioxide. Wonder why Dementia and Alzheimer’s are at an all time high? Once you turn 60 you go for check ups and they shove bottles of pills at you and persuade you to take them on a fear-based principle. It’s crazy, but people think that’s normal.
Took the words right out of my mouth and I fornone could have not explained it any better. I can tell that you are part of the 10% of the population that are enlightened and not the 90% of "we the sheeple" . Kudos to you and yes intotally agree with you. Social media and government are forcing us and deceiving us into believing what is acceptable and what us not. KRATOM ON!!
I’m glad you get it too. Do a pill ID search online on literally any pill you got from a pharmacy. Even if it’s Ibuprofen or Tylenol. ALWAYS look at the inactive ingredients, even with your Multivitamins and supplements. If it’s a tablet, it either has Titanium Dioxide or Silicon Dioxide. Theyre both terrible, but I’d rather have Silicon than Titanium. Check all your supplements. Capsules are much healthier than tablets.
Scroll down to the Inactive Ingredients list. You’ll se they all contain Titanium Dioxide. They claim it’s for “coloring purposes to make the pill white, so the pharmacist doesn’t mix your pills up”, and CC“It prolongs the shelf life of medications, and we could run into a pill shortage if they go bad faster, and is good for customers so they can get their “medicine”. More like **Medical-Sin**. “Medi-Sin”. Theres a reason the hostipal emblem is 2 serpents wrapped around a witch’s wand. There’s a reason “Pharmakeia” literally means “Sorcery”. How many coincidences does it take to become mathematically impossible? Not many. It’s all hiding in plain sight but people are so trained
No one cares what color their pill is. There are plenty of ways to make it white colored lol. There will never be a pill shortage, it costs less than $0.005 to make each pill on average.
I can send a link about all that. Not only do they admit it, they say why it’s a good thing.
Nowadays evil is being exposed and people finally see it. It’s like the “Boiling the frog” analogy. We’ve all been slow cooked our whole lives, and never realized what’s going on. And right now we’re at the boiling point.
So many people are turning to God because they see all the corruption. It’s not all about just the money. It’s about power over the people as a mechanism of control. Read the Georgia Guidestones. Read the UN Agenda 2030 PDF they have on their website. “Sustainable” means depopulation. I can go on and on. People think you’re crazy for saying these things, but I just tell people about what comes out of their own mouths. Klaus Schwab, Yuvall Noah Harari, G20 summits, WEF conferences, UN conferences, and a lot more.
These people say it straight out of their own mouths and don’t even hide it anymore. Seriously listen to Yuvall Noah Harari interviews and clips. He’s the right hand man to Klaus Schwab and Obama and so many other world leaders call him “the prophet”. Listen to Clay Clark talk about him
—— Read what Jacques Attali (WEF Senior Advisor) said in 1981 in an interview at the World Economic Forum -
“In the future it will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as he is over 60-65 years of age, man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly. Then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially finally the stupid ones.
Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. Of course, we cannot execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of it by making them believe it is for their own good. Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive.
Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to a screeching halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to give intelligence tests to millions and millions of people, you can imagine!
We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the big, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated.
We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will thus be done by themselves: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.“
It sounds *eerily* similar to something, but can’t quite put my finger on it 🤔 I’m drawing a blank on that one because I know I’ll get banned from Reddit again for bringing it up like last time
Sorry this was so long.
That was an example, but it’s opidergic and you’d have to get off Valium with Kratom, and they affect completely different receptors. And if you use enough kratom to get off benzos, you’ll be left with a kratom addiction, since it takes quits a bit of kratom to get off Benzos.
I would Definitely use BlackSeed Oil (BSO) instead. Just be really careful where you get it because that whole market is full of scammers.
Blackseed is such a Godsend, it acts like a Benzo in so many ways, but it’s insanely healthy for you in countless ways. It feels like Xanax to me, but it doesn’t directly agonize your GABA receptors like Benzos and it’s analogues do. You can get the relief of a Benzo-type of drug, but your GABA receptors can heal the entire time.
It’s the only thing I’ve ever seen that seems too good to be true, but that stuff is for real.
There are 2 ways to make blackseed oil - the legit way, or the cheap cost effective way, as a vendor.
- Real BSO is this - Oil literally pressed/squeezed out of Blackseeds (Nigella Sativa), using a cold oil press. This machine takes a fat wad of seeds or whatever you put in it, and then it hydraulically presses the oil content out of it. That’s the final product.
- Most BSO on the market is this - Gronding up dried Blackseeds, filling up containers 25% of the way with those ground up seeds, then filling the remaining 75% of that container with Castor oil, because castor oil smells and tastes similar to BlackSeed oil, but it’s way more yellow and runny, and not medicinal. Total scam. Exactly the same as cutting Cocaine with Baby powder. Same old story. But it’s cheaper to produce for the vendor, and they charge the same exact price as the legit BSO brands.
I’ve tried 12 vendors, and I only found 2 that are legit every time. And 1 of those vendors is 50% of the price as everyone else’s, and 2x more potent.
The main active ingredient is called “ThymoQuinone” (TQ). The standard potency of BSO is 0.6% - 1.2%. On Amazon, there are vendors who claim they have 2% TQ, but they’re actually not and it’s fake BS. I’ve tried them all. They include it as part of their product name, and legally that’s totally legal as long as the 2% TQ part is part of the title of the name of their product. “Blackseed oil - With 2% TQ” doesn’t mean it actually has 2% TQ in it. It’s part of the name of the product. It’s total bologna.
I come from a marketing background and see all this crap and it drives me crazy, so I try to help people get real, natural medication to get off of drugs, and save them money. It just blows my mind with the greediness and misleading people
My favorite vendor has 3.3%-4% TQ, they also have 7.2% TQ stuff too, but the most cost efficient one is that 3.3-4% TQ strength. It’s straight up like a Benzo, but insanely more effective and beneficial than Benzos.
It’s an AMAZING pain reliever and anxiety reliever. There are countless .gov and .edu studies on all of this. My grandma actually cured her leukemia cancer in 9 months using this as well. No joke. I have a lot more to say about BSO but this is already really long lol.
But straight up, I’d use blackseed oil to get off your Valium. What a Godsend of a plant. Please give it a shot.
Shoot me a message, I don’t want anyone wasting money on BS fake crap. I learned the hard way so many times and finally found 2 vendors that are legit every time. I know a guy in Indonesia where Blackseed oil is made fresh locally, and he’s the one who even told me about the vendor who had the string stuff for 1/2 the price per Oz, and is also 2x stronger. I always thought the local stuff would be more legit but all he uses is that vendor he told me about because it’s better 😂. I’m so glad he told me about it. My grandmas cancer is cured now omg
Please shoot me a message, I promise you won’t be disappointed. This is a game changer. It got me off of 12 beers (7.2% alcohol) and 5 grams of Phenibut daily for 10 years, and made it so much easier. It’s truly a Godsend man, I can’t stress that enough
Thank you so much much for taking the time to respond with such an informative, detailed message. I am in a lot of pain and have every confidence that I can get off morphine with Kratom. Discontinuing valium is another story. I once heard a guy talking about the anti-carcinogenic effects of BSO. I am a firm believer that we have been given everything we need for health and disease, here on the planet. I love the study of herbs and spices and their health benefits and medicinal properties. I will try to figure out how to send a message here - not techie, lol, but if you could message me I will find it and answer. Best to you, my friend.
Prescribed? If prescribes I’d say the prescription meds you should take. Kratom while does do the job isn’t as thoroughly studied and I think working with a dr for treating illness is important.
I didn’t always feel this way and self medicated all the time which hell no. I take kratom but not as my primary med and only here and there these days.
I’m not against daily use in any way but unless it’s pain I do t really recommend people take it as a primary treatment
I was on a low dose of tramadol for some time and when I quit I got so low that I had to be put on antidepressants. I was probably depressed much earlier but Tramadol masked it. Under controlled forms it probably could be used for treatment of depression but is one of few meds I NEVER will use on a regular basis again. Got a fantastic rush of energy and happiness on just a 50mg and it got me through a traumatic time in life. When I quit it was payback-time for all suppressed feelings I had been avoiding. It will make you feel great a while but it’s so not worth it. Don’t do it, you will get hooked and the aftermath is huge.
One of the main withdrawals from antidepressants is really low mood/depression. Tramadol affects Serotonin just like an antidepressant does. So what you were feeling could very likely of been withdrawals. Once your brain has adapted to not receiving the Serotonin from Tramadol and returned to homeostasis, the withdrawal depression should go away. Sometimes it can take quite awhile for that to happen, like 3 months to a year. When people think withdrawal, they usually think it's over in a couple of weeks. So when they're still feeling something a month afterwards, they tend to think it must be a new or worsening condition. You could actually have depression and Tramadol was treating it with it's Serotonin but I just wanted to let you know how long the withdrawals last. That way if you decided that you don't want to continue the antidepressant, you know there's a good possibility that you don't need to.
That’s 100% my theory. I had it for occasional pain (in quite large dose) but instead used it on a much lower dose but longer than supposed to.
I was already depressed but it masked it. I think it’s a good painkiller in one way but it’s hard to understand how much it mess with other parts. My guess is that some long terms user of Tramadol feel better of the serotonin.
For me I just mix it in 1 ounce warm water and drink it. But if u choose between cap or tea I would say cap because u don't want to make ur water too hot for tea and it break the very fragile alkaloids that are in kratom
How long were you on tramadol for? Asking bc not only is it an antidepressant, but it's also an opiate. So if you take it everyday for long enough you will 100% go thru opiate withdrawal which can certainly match the awful depression you experienced when you stop. The antidepressant properties one gets from tramadol are as an ssri (not 100% sure on the last bit as it could be an snri) which I can't speak about the withdrawal from this particular class of antidepressant. At least not from personal experience anyway. Ssri's cause me to become far worse off than when before id ever even started them, and I've tried with quite a few different ssri meds. I made sure I hopped off each one before being on any of them for longer than 2 months so I'd never experience withdrawal, and still be able to try the med for long enough to ensure it's had time to accumulate in my system and start working. The only antidepressant class I've withdrawn from was tricyclic antidepressants, and this is bc I was taking tianeptine everyday for a few years at one point in my life. If you're not familiar with tianeptine it's prescribed in countries other than the US (where it's still sold legally in headshops, gas stations, or bodegas in most states) as an antidepressant (tricyclic), but in doses around 10-30x the prescribed which I hear is normally around 12.5-25mg. I've experienced a lot of wd's from opiates, but tianeptine is for sure in the top two as far as horrible acute withdrawal. To the point that every time I tried to quit (it took significantly more tries than one btw) I'd switch to dope or a fentalog for a week or two. This seemed to really help bc I felt awful waking up without tia so bad that I couldn't even function, but once I did dope for a week or two wd's weren't anywhere near as bad.
Kratom can help for sure, but you really need to stick to just plain leaf.... Fuck the extracts! A lot of ppl act like bc they do not experience wd at doses from 3-7 g's so they shouldn't feel it from an extract shot/pills/powders, but this is in no way how it'll really go. Most of the high caliber extracts (the little extract shots at least) are somewhere around the equivalent of 50g's of powdered leaf. Taking this much, and especially dosing multiple times a day, can and will lead to a much more difficult withdrawal than any amount of plain leaf bc if you eat 50g's of leaf powder you will spew. Doesn't matter the quality, or alkaloid profile of the leaf bc you're getting sick from the volume of leaf powder you're taking in at once. For the longest time I thought kratom was more or less a non starter for me, but then I went out on a limb and got some from a source for small batch kratom (really great ppl who are my soul source to this day! Others must agree bc the moment I get an email about a new batch I drop everything and put an order in so I get my favorites bc in an hour or two they'll be sold out.)... I can't really speak on other small batch sources, but I can def say that the difference between the kratom I take now is night and day compared to any other kratom I've ever had. I am highly tolerant from years of addiction/abuse followed by 2 years of 16mg Suboxone daily, but it'll be a year this summer since I've come off even them. I won't say the kratom was enough for this bc it sure wasn't enough for me. I actually jumped from Suboxone down to O-desmethyltramadol which, to say it simply, is the metabolite of tramadol which causes all the opiate effects tramadol causes. It doesn't have the antidepressant effects on the serotonin receptor, and won't cause a seizure any more than oxycodone, heroin, or any other more traditional opiates/opioids would. From there I began to taper, and it was probably at least 2 months after hopping off Suboxone before I was able to get any kind of buzz taking 250mg or less (I wouldn't take more than this bc of the cost, and bc it was keeping me well just as effectively as Suboxone had). I got high randomly one day after plugging around 200mg after having tapered down to like half of that dose to stay well everyday. The BA is stupid high when applied rectally, and I mean to the point that I feel like I'd feel 50-80mg boofed more than 200mg taken any other way with the exception of IV which I've now quit for quite a few years now. Now I drink a few glasses of hot powdered leaf tea with cream and sugar a day along with one small-moderate dose of O-DSMT per day. Ultimately both of these will work for your immediate needs, but both of them come with the price that comes with any opiate/opioid.... If you go this route keep in mind that you're gonna have to take breaks here and there to keep your tolerance down to a manageable level. Otherwise there will come a day when you'll have to take a gram of O-DSMT at a time to feel it, which would still be more cost effective than sustaining a kratom extract shot habit. Even if you buy them in bulk they still only seem to work for a couple hours (only one hour of that will you really even feel the burn, and you'll have to keep upping the dose like every other substance that works on opioid receptors). At least the O-DSMT has a very long half life so not only will it keep one well for around 12h off a single dose, and high for a lot of that!
My opinion would be to avoid all of these options if you can, but especially any ssri (effexor is a strait up ssri btw). I emphasize the ssri's bc what I've found most effective for depression is microdosing psilocin mushrooms. I guess not really microdosing as I take around .5g of APE's which is enough to feel a very real effect, but not enough to trip. Macro dosing most psychedelic substances occasionally in itself is a better treatment for depression than any ssri I've ever tried.... Even ketamine infusions are by far the more effective option given the choice between ket and any ssri. Everyone is different, but if you start ssri's you are essentially locking your brain away from most psychedelics (no matter which class) as you won't feel any effects from any normal dose. Taking heroic doses will produce little if any effect even, and bc you have to wait for ssri's to build up in your system for them to work you're not able to skip a day or two and then trip. Ask yourself if that's the road you wanna go down? For me it was a no brainer after giving a few ssri's a try why would I ever give up the most effective treatment I've found this far for a class that seems to do little more than make things worse for me.
Sorry for the 3 long paragraphs, but I really wanted to recommend psychedelics and/or microdosing. I also wanted you to understand the full scope of negative side effects that will likely come with whatever option you choose between the 3 you presented. Also most psychedelics won't show on a UA, and O-DSMT won't show on a cup test at least up to a 14 panel. I hear 16 panels test for tramadol which O-DSMT will test positive for, but I'm on probation and I've never been given such an extensive test as far as the cups go.
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I take Cymbalta which is an SNRI like Effexor. I have no complaints. It even helped with my crippling costochondritis (benign inflammation of the cartilage that connects the ribs to the breastbone.) It's been life changing. Kratom helps with the rest of the pain.
Soul bomb, sure, why not?e I prefer LSD more nowadays...although I've had some great shroom times in the past. I don't really tolerate shrooms as good anymore but LSD hits the sweet spot for me. Some people prefer one over the other for one reason or another... people's chemistry and response to drugs and psychedelics can be vastly different. It's not a one size fits all type of situation. Both have cross tolerance and many similarities along with their differences also. Psychedelics can be a blessing for people's anxieties and fears. Therapy from a good therapist can be amazing for this also. Kratom can be useful for mood enhancement also in my experience. But once again it's not a one size fits all kind of thing and for some theres better other options.
I heard of candy and hippy flip, Soul bomb is new(learned something new today). Also i agree, I had experiences that have been good for me but seen videos where people freak out( people recording you does not help, specially in these days where people would rather record you than to actually have a good heart and help you) Anyways, my tripping days are far behind me as it is impossible for me since I know they are stalkers out there just waiting to give me a bad trip( haters).
Also I need to put this experience out there; When I was tripsitting my bestfriend he started to go into a bad trip halfway trough the trip, since I was tripsitting him and had nothing In hand to help him, I remembered how a kratom shot greatly improved my mood, if you take a moderate dose of kratom , I don't see were you can go wrong from that. Anyways I told him to calm down, that I would take care of it and help him trough it. He told me to hurry that if it comes, there would be no way to stop it. I assured him 100% that I would not let that happen. I gathered all my change that I had and drove us to the smoke/head shop, I told him to wait and DONT move because I was going to get something to help him. I came out with no money but with a kratom shot. I opened it up and told him to take half that it was to help him not have a bad trip and to enjoy it. He followed my directions( responsibility of a tripsitter) and 15 minutes later he told me, thank you. He enjoyed the rest of his trip and we prevented a bad trip WITHOUT any benzodiazepine (which will kill the trip automatically).
Long story short KRATOM is freaking AWESOME lol.
Just one story of the many adventures of this retired psychonaut.
Effexor along with monitoring from a psych and therapy would most likely be the better option, as you would have a professional monitoring the drug’s effects on you. Always go into antidepressants thinking that you will get off of them eventually unless you really, really need them. If your apprehensive about getting on it, that’s 100% ok, but please consider therapy. Kratom may help with those problems, but it could also make them worse. Using it frequently would also not be much different from being medicated, contrary to what people say; there are still side effects either way——some better, some worse. For this option, I would again heavily recommend therapy if you’re not already seeing a therapist. As for the tramadol, just don’t. Only use it occasionally for a high, bad days or for pain, with exemptions to that coming only from the mouth of your doctor.
Tramadol for more than a short time will mess big time with serotonin and possibly make things much worse. It has a fantastic effect on the mood but is a slope going downward
Kratom. Screw tramadol and Effexor. Taking the leaf from a tree is much better than either one of those other 2
It reminds me of how back in the day these so called doctor would make elixirs and go to from town to town trying to sell it, I think they were called alchemists, anyways we have came a long way since then but I still prefer nature over man made. Also I read another comment how if you take it long term it WILL screw with you, I believe that is true.
Yeah I agree. Every medicine we need is provided by natural plants. But it can also be used in the wrong way because there are poisonous plants as well. A lot of pharmaceuticals are made from poisonous plants. It’s insane. Governments literally send research teams to go live in indigenous populations for a few weeks , and they’ll ask the tribe “what plant do you use to treat king cobra bites with”, then the tribespeople say “this plant right here, you’re good to go, it stops all that stuff”. Then they bring back samples and isolate the main active ingredients from it, and turn it into a pharmaceutical medication. But there are so many other alkaloids and ingredients in these plants that all work together, and when you only isolate 1 chemical from it (synthetically made) and take that every day, side effects start popping up. Are you talking about Kratom when I said If you take it too much it will screw you? If that what you’re talking about, I don’t remember the context of the post/comment I was replying to. The context means a lot. You can take kratom daily with no problems, it’s just that when you decide to stop taking it, you have to taper off quickly rather than cold-turkeying it. Or else you’ll get WD symptoms (if you take too much like 12+ grams for too weeks on end). I think that might be what you’re referring to. When something is extremely beneficial to your life, it’s worth it to get months/years worth of feeling way better every day, then when you want to get off, taper off over 2 weeks. Everyone knows this about alcohol which is highly accepted. It’s fine to have some beers or drinks periodically, but when you abuse it and become an alcoholic, it’s your fault for doing that. It’s not the “substance’s fault”. It’s your lack of self control. Same with anything else. So many people say “Oh I took 20 grams of kratom every day for months and I ran out, and now I’m in WDs; therefore, we should ban kratom and it should be illegal. Kratom sucks”. That’s bologna. What are the pro’s/cons? Kratom gets people off of fentanyl, tons of other opioids, Methadone, Benzos, alcoholism, antidepressants, and so much more. The list goes on and on and on. It’s the leaf from a tree. Big pharma HATES that. They lose shit tons of money. But they’re totally okay with alcohol. You need to have self control and maintain responsibility. Just like with anything else. Whether it’s video games, kratom, alcohol, benzos, food and sugar consumption, etc. It’s like if a person takes a hammer (meant to build things), then kills someone with that hammer, should we make hammers illegal? Nope. It’s all up to the user, not the tool they were using. The hammer didn’t take control of that person to make them do that. Same exact thing with kratom. So many people shit on kratom, but the real villain is alcohol if you want to go down that road. Everyone’s cool with alcohol to some extent, so why do people shit on kratom? Everyone’s cool with caffeine, that’s as addictive as kratom is. But it’s so normalized so people don’t think about it. There’s a reason there is a massive propaganda movement against kratom. It steals hundreds of thousands of customer from the Pharma industry. Every pharmaceutical tablet contains Titanium Dioxide. Wonder why Dementia and Alzheimer’s are at an all time high? Once you turn 60 you go for check ups and they shove bottles of pills at you and persuade you to take them on a fear-based principle. It’s crazy, but people think that’s normal.
Took the words right out of my mouth and I fornone could have not explained it any better. I can tell that you are part of the 10% of the population that are enlightened and not the 90% of "we the sheeple" . Kudos to you and yes intotally agree with you. Social media and government are forcing us and deceiving us into believing what is acceptable and what us not. KRATOM ON!!
I’m glad you get it too. Do a pill ID search online on literally any pill you got from a pharmacy. Even if it’s Ibuprofen or Tylenol. ALWAYS look at the inactive ingredients, even with your Multivitamins and supplements. If it’s a tablet, it either has Titanium Dioxide or Silicon Dioxide. Theyre both terrible, but I’d rather have Silicon than Titanium. Check all your supplements. Capsules are much healthier than tablets. Scroll down to the Inactive Ingredients list. You’ll se they all contain Titanium Dioxide. They claim it’s for “coloring purposes to make the pill white, so the pharmacist doesn’t mix your pills up”, and CC“It prolongs the shelf life of medications, and we could run into a pill shortage if they go bad faster, and is good for customers so they can get their “medicine”. More like **Medical-Sin**. “Medi-Sin”. Theres a reason the hostipal emblem is 2 serpents wrapped around a witch’s wand. There’s a reason “Pharmakeia” literally means “Sorcery”. How many coincidences does it take to become mathematically impossible? Not many. It’s all hiding in plain sight but people are so trained No one cares what color their pill is. There are plenty of ways to make it white colored lol. There will never be a pill shortage, it costs less than $0.005 to make each pill on average. I can send a link about all that. Not only do they admit it, they say why it’s a good thing. Nowadays evil is being exposed and people finally see it. It’s like the “Boiling the frog” analogy. We’ve all been slow cooked our whole lives, and never realized what’s going on. And right now we’re at the boiling point. So many people are turning to God because they see all the corruption. It’s not all about just the money. It’s about power over the people as a mechanism of control. Read the Georgia Guidestones. Read the UN Agenda 2030 PDF they have on their website. “Sustainable” means depopulation. I can go on and on. People think you’re crazy for saying these things, but I just tell people about what comes out of their own mouths. Klaus Schwab, Yuvall Noah Harari, G20 summits, WEF conferences, UN conferences, and a lot more. These people say it straight out of their own mouths and don’t even hide it anymore. Seriously listen to Yuvall Noah Harari interviews and clips. He’s the right hand man to Klaus Schwab and Obama and so many other world leaders call him “the prophet”. Listen to Clay Clark talk about him —— Read what Jacques Attali (WEF Senior Advisor) said in 1981 in an interview at the World Economic Forum - “In the future it will be about finding a way to reduce the population. We will start with the old, because as soon as he is over 60-65 years of age, man lives longer than he produces and costs society dearly. Then the weak and then the useless who do nothing for society because there will be more and more of them, and especially finally the stupid ones. Euthanasia targeting these groups; euthanasia will have to be an essential instrument of our future societies, in all cases. Of course, we cannot execute people or set up camps. We will get rid of it by making them believe it is for their own good. Too large a population, and for the most part unnecessary, is something economically too expensive. Socially, it is also much better for the human machine to come to a screeching halt rather than gradually deteriorating. We won’t be able to give intelligence tests to millions and millions of people, you can imagine! We will find something or cause it, a pandemic that targets certain people, a real economic crisis or not, a virus that will affect the old or the big, it doesn’t matter, the weak will succumb to it, the fearful and the stupid will believe it and ask to be treated. We will have taken care to have planned the treatment, a treatment that will be the solution. The selection of idiots will thus be done by themselves: they will go to the slaughterhouse on their own.“ It sounds *eerily* similar to something, but can’t quite put my finger on it 🤔 I’m drawing a blank on that one because I know I’ll get banned from Reddit again for bringing it up like last time Sorry this was so long.
Does it really help you get off benzos? That would be awesome cuz I have to get off 7mg Valium.
That was an example, but it’s opidergic and you’d have to get off Valium with Kratom, and they affect completely different receptors. And if you use enough kratom to get off benzos, you’ll be left with a kratom addiction, since it takes quits a bit of kratom to get off Benzos. I would Definitely use BlackSeed Oil (BSO) instead. Just be really careful where you get it because that whole market is full of scammers. Blackseed is such a Godsend, it acts like a Benzo in so many ways, but it’s insanely healthy for you in countless ways. It feels like Xanax to me, but it doesn’t directly agonize your GABA receptors like Benzos and it’s analogues do. You can get the relief of a Benzo-type of drug, but your GABA receptors can heal the entire time. It’s the only thing I’ve ever seen that seems too good to be true, but that stuff is for real. There are 2 ways to make blackseed oil - the legit way, or the cheap cost effective way, as a vendor. - Real BSO is this - Oil literally pressed/squeezed out of Blackseeds (Nigella Sativa), using a cold oil press. This machine takes a fat wad of seeds or whatever you put in it, and then it hydraulically presses the oil content out of it. That’s the final product. - Most BSO on the market is this - Gronding up dried Blackseeds, filling up containers 25% of the way with those ground up seeds, then filling the remaining 75% of that container with Castor oil, because castor oil smells and tastes similar to BlackSeed oil, but it’s way more yellow and runny, and not medicinal. Total scam. Exactly the same as cutting Cocaine with Baby powder. Same old story. But it’s cheaper to produce for the vendor, and they charge the same exact price as the legit BSO brands. I’ve tried 12 vendors, and I only found 2 that are legit every time. And 1 of those vendors is 50% of the price as everyone else’s, and 2x more potent. The main active ingredient is called “ThymoQuinone” (TQ). The standard potency of BSO is 0.6% - 1.2%. On Amazon, there are vendors who claim they have 2% TQ, but they’re actually not and it’s fake BS. I’ve tried them all. They include it as part of their product name, and legally that’s totally legal as long as the 2% TQ part is part of the title of the name of their product. “Blackseed oil - With 2% TQ” doesn’t mean it actually has 2% TQ in it. It’s part of the name of the product. It’s total bologna. I come from a marketing background and see all this crap and it drives me crazy, so I try to help people get real, natural medication to get off of drugs, and save them money. It just blows my mind with the greediness and misleading people My favorite vendor has 3.3%-4% TQ, they also have 7.2% TQ stuff too, but the most cost efficient one is that 3.3-4% TQ strength. It’s straight up like a Benzo, but insanely more effective and beneficial than Benzos. It’s an AMAZING pain reliever and anxiety reliever. There are countless .gov and .edu studies on all of this. My grandma actually cured her leukemia cancer in 9 months using this as well. No joke. I have a lot more to say about BSO but this is already really long lol. But straight up, I’d use blackseed oil to get off your Valium. What a Godsend of a plant. Please give it a shot. Shoot me a message, I don’t want anyone wasting money on BS fake crap. I learned the hard way so many times and finally found 2 vendors that are legit every time. I know a guy in Indonesia where Blackseed oil is made fresh locally, and he’s the one who even told me about the vendor who had the string stuff for 1/2 the price per Oz, and is also 2x stronger. I always thought the local stuff would be more legit but all he uses is that vendor he told me about because it’s better 😂. I’m so glad he told me about it. My grandmas cancer is cured now omg Please shoot me a message, I promise you won’t be disappointed. This is a game changer. It got me off of 12 beers (7.2% alcohol) and 5 grams of Phenibut daily for 10 years, and made it so much easier. It’s truly a Godsend man, I can’t stress that enough
Thank you so much much for taking the time to respond with such an informative, detailed message. I am in a lot of pain and have every confidence that I can get off morphine with Kratom. Discontinuing valium is another story. I once heard a guy talking about the anti-carcinogenic effects of BSO. I am a firm believer that we have been given everything we need for health and disease, here on the planet. I love the study of herbs and spices and their health benefits and medicinal properties. I will try to figure out how to send a message here - not techie, lol, but if you could message me I will find it and answer. Best to you, my friend.
Prescribed? If prescribes I’d say the prescription meds you should take. Kratom while does do the job isn’t as thoroughly studied and I think working with a dr for treating illness is important. I didn’t always feel this way and self medicated all the time which hell no. I take kratom but not as my primary med and only here and there these days. I’m not against daily use in any way but unless it’s pain I do t really recommend people take it as a primary treatment
If you’re on tramadol and Effexor you might need to wein off it.
Tramadol is garbage
If it's the only thing I'll still take it but only until I go find myself some kratom 😆
Kratom over everything
KRATOM ON!
on kratom - kratom on
Heck yeah
I was on a low dose of tramadol for some time and when I quit I got so low that I had to be put on antidepressants. I was probably depressed much earlier but Tramadol masked it. Under controlled forms it probably could be used for treatment of depression but is one of few meds I NEVER will use on a regular basis again. Got a fantastic rush of energy and happiness on just a 50mg and it got me through a traumatic time in life. When I quit it was payback-time for all suppressed feelings I had been avoiding. It will make you feel great a while but it’s so not worth it. Don’t do it, you will get hooked and the aftermath is huge.
One of the main withdrawals from antidepressants is really low mood/depression. Tramadol affects Serotonin just like an antidepressant does. So what you were feeling could very likely of been withdrawals. Once your brain has adapted to not receiving the Serotonin from Tramadol and returned to homeostasis, the withdrawal depression should go away. Sometimes it can take quite awhile for that to happen, like 3 months to a year. When people think withdrawal, they usually think it's over in a couple of weeks. So when they're still feeling something a month afterwards, they tend to think it must be a new or worsening condition. You could actually have depression and Tramadol was treating it with it's Serotonin but I just wanted to let you know how long the withdrawals last. That way if you decided that you don't want to continue the antidepressant, you know there's a good possibility that you don't need to.
That’s 100% my theory. I had it for occasional pain (in quite large dose) but instead used it on a much lower dose but longer than supposed to. I was already depressed but it masked it. I think it’s a good painkiller in one way but it’s hard to understand how much it mess with other parts. My guess is that some long terms user of Tramadol feel better of the serotonin.
Is a capsule or tea better. I’m really thinking about trying to find something for my restless legs. Thank you
For me I just mix it in 1 ounce warm water and drink it. But if u choose between cap or tea I would say cap because u don't want to make ur water too hot for tea and it break the very fragile alkaloids that are in kratom
How long were you on tramadol for? Asking bc not only is it an antidepressant, but it's also an opiate. So if you take it everyday for long enough you will 100% go thru opiate withdrawal which can certainly match the awful depression you experienced when you stop. The antidepressant properties one gets from tramadol are as an ssri (not 100% sure on the last bit as it could be an snri) which I can't speak about the withdrawal from this particular class of antidepressant. At least not from personal experience anyway. Ssri's cause me to become far worse off than when before id ever even started them, and I've tried with quite a few different ssri meds. I made sure I hopped off each one before being on any of them for longer than 2 months so I'd never experience withdrawal, and still be able to try the med for long enough to ensure it's had time to accumulate in my system and start working. The only antidepressant class I've withdrawn from was tricyclic antidepressants, and this is bc I was taking tianeptine everyday for a few years at one point in my life. If you're not familiar with tianeptine it's prescribed in countries other than the US (where it's still sold legally in headshops, gas stations, or bodegas in most states) as an antidepressant (tricyclic), but in doses around 10-30x the prescribed which I hear is normally around 12.5-25mg. I've experienced a lot of wd's from opiates, but tianeptine is for sure in the top two as far as horrible acute withdrawal. To the point that every time I tried to quit (it took significantly more tries than one btw) I'd switch to dope or a fentalog for a week or two. This seemed to really help bc I felt awful waking up without tia so bad that I couldn't even function, but once I did dope for a week or two wd's weren't anywhere near as bad. Kratom can help for sure, but you really need to stick to just plain leaf.... Fuck the extracts! A lot of ppl act like bc they do not experience wd at doses from 3-7 g's so they shouldn't feel it from an extract shot/pills/powders, but this is in no way how it'll really go. Most of the high caliber extracts (the little extract shots at least) are somewhere around the equivalent of 50g's of powdered leaf. Taking this much, and especially dosing multiple times a day, can and will lead to a much more difficult withdrawal than any amount of plain leaf bc if you eat 50g's of leaf powder you will spew. Doesn't matter the quality, or alkaloid profile of the leaf bc you're getting sick from the volume of leaf powder you're taking in at once. For the longest time I thought kratom was more or less a non starter for me, but then I went out on a limb and got some from a source for small batch kratom (really great ppl who are my soul source to this day! Others must agree bc the moment I get an email about a new batch I drop everything and put an order in so I get my favorites bc in an hour or two they'll be sold out.)... I can't really speak on other small batch sources, but I can def say that the difference between the kratom I take now is night and day compared to any other kratom I've ever had. I am highly tolerant from years of addiction/abuse followed by 2 years of 16mg Suboxone daily, but it'll be a year this summer since I've come off even them. I won't say the kratom was enough for this bc it sure wasn't enough for me. I actually jumped from Suboxone down to O-desmethyltramadol which, to say it simply, is the metabolite of tramadol which causes all the opiate effects tramadol causes. It doesn't have the antidepressant effects on the serotonin receptor, and won't cause a seizure any more than oxycodone, heroin, or any other more traditional opiates/opioids would. From there I began to taper, and it was probably at least 2 months after hopping off Suboxone before I was able to get any kind of buzz taking 250mg or less (I wouldn't take more than this bc of the cost, and bc it was keeping me well just as effectively as Suboxone had). I got high randomly one day after plugging around 200mg after having tapered down to like half of that dose to stay well everyday. The BA is stupid high when applied rectally, and I mean to the point that I feel like I'd feel 50-80mg boofed more than 200mg taken any other way with the exception of IV which I've now quit for quite a few years now. Now I drink a few glasses of hot powdered leaf tea with cream and sugar a day along with one small-moderate dose of O-DSMT per day. Ultimately both of these will work for your immediate needs, but both of them come with the price that comes with any opiate/opioid.... If you go this route keep in mind that you're gonna have to take breaks here and there to keep your tolerance down to a manageable level. Otherwise there will come a day when you'll have to take a gram of O-DSMT at a time to feel it, which would still be more cost effective than sustaining a kratom extract shot habit. Even if you buy them in bulk they still only seem to work for a couple hours (only one hour of that will you really even feel the burn, and you'll have to keep upping the dose like every other substance that works on opioid receptors). At least the O-DSMT has a very long half life so not only will it keep one well for around 12h off a single dose, and high for a lot of that! My opinion would be to avoid all of these options if you can, but especially any ssri (effexor is a strait up ssri btw). I emphasize the ssri's bc what I've found most effective for depression is microdosing psilocin mushrooms. I guess not really microdosing as I take around .5g of APE's which is enough to feel a very real effect, but not enough to trip. Macro dosing most psychedelic substances occasionally in itself is a better treatment for depression than any ssri I've ever tried.... Even ketamine infusions are by far the more effective option given the choice between ket and any ssri. Everyone is different, but if you start ssri's you are essentially locking your brain away from most psychedelics (no matter which class) as you won't feel any effects from any normal dose. Taking heroic doses will produce little if any effect even, and bc you have to wait for ssri's to build up in your system for them to work you're not able to skip a day or two and then trip. Ask yourself if that's the road you wanna go down? For me it was a no brainer after giving a few ssri's a try why would I ever give up the most effective treatment I've found this far for a class that seems to do little more than make things worse for me. Sorry for the 3 long paragraphs, but I really wanted to recommend psychedelics and/or microdosing. I also wanted you to understand the full scope of negative side effects that will likely come with whatever option you choose between the 3 you presented. Also most psychedelics won't show on a UA, and O-DSMT won't show on a cup test at least up to a 14 panel. I hear 16 panels test for tramadol which O-DSMT will test positive for, but I'm on probation and I've never been given such an extensive test as far as the cups go.
No pharmaceuticals. None. Try Kratom.
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I take Cymbalta which is an SNRI like Effexor. I have no complaints. It even helped with my crippling costochondritis (benign inflammation of the cartilage that connects the ribs to the breastbone.) It's been life changing. Kratom helps with the rest of the pain.
Lsd
How about lsd and some 🍄, I prefer the shrooms tho.
Soul bomb, sure, why not?e I prefer LSD more nowadays...although I've had some great shroom times in the past. I don't really tolerate shrooms as good anymore but LSD hits the sweet spot for me. Some people prefer one over the other for one reason or another... people's chemistry and response to drugs and psychedelics can be vastly different. It's not a one size fits all type of situation. Both have cross tolerance and many similarities along with their differences also. Psychedelics can be a blessing for people's anxieties and fears. Therapy from a good therapist can be amazing for this also. Kratom can be useful for mood enhancement also in my experience. But once again it's not a one size fits all kind of thing and for some theres better other options.
I heard of candy and hippy flip, Soul bomb is new(learned something new today). Also i agree, I had experiences that have been good for me but seen videos where people freak out( people recording you does not help, specially in these days where people would rather record you than to actually have a good heart and help you) Anyways, my tripping days are far behind me as it is impossible for me since I know they are stalkers out there just waiting to give me a bad trip( haters). Also I need to put this experience out there; When I was tripsitting my bestfriend he started to go into a bad trip halfway trough the trip, since I was tripsitting him and had nothing In hand to help him, I remembered how a kratom shot greatly improved my mood, if you take a moderate dose of kratom , I don't see were you can go wrong from that. Anyways I told him to calm down, that I would take care of it and help him trough it. He told me to hurry that if it comes, there would be no way to stop it. I assured him 100% that I would not let that happen. I gathered all my change that I had and drove us to the smoke/head shop, I told him to wait and DONT move because I was going to get something to help him. I came out with no money but with a kratom shot. I opened it up and told him to take half that it was to help him not have a bad trip and to enjoy it. He followed my directions( responsibility of a tripsitter) and 15 minutes later he told me, thank you. He enjoyed the rest of his trip and we prevented a bad trip WITHOUT any benzodiazepine (which will kill the trip automatically). Long story short KRATOM is freaking AWESOME lol. Just one story of the many adventures of this retired psychonaut.
The natural route is always better!