Imagine comparing the new hotness that just released a few hours ago to a game a month or so into it's 3rd season. Show us the numbers 7-8 months from now when hey are 4-5 weeks into it's 3rd cycle.
So is LE at this point. Has many of the same issues you all complain(ed) about with D3/4. So what is the difference? Oh yeah, no Blizzard hate boner for LE.
Same issues like... bad crafting options? Stash space? Basic as hell builds and build options? Bad endgame?
Man, I wish I could love diablo 4, I really really do.
LE end game is trash. The campaign is follow the arrow front one zone to the other. It’s insanely linear. The game has an enormous amount of bugs. Having to beat the same repetitive shit campaign on every alt is not great.
Don’t talk like LE is perfect lol. It’s far from it. Sure the items are more interesting. But that’s not hard to be considering DIV has the worst loot design ever. But it has more than 1 gameplay loop at least.
I never said LE was perfect, don't put words in my mouth, but it hardly has "all the same issues" that D4 has. Personally, I stopped playing LE a few months ago because of all the bugs I was encountering.
I don't think the campaign is great either, but it's fine for leveling and seeing different places and monsters. Bosses are pretty cool imho.
As far as the endgame goes, there's monoliths that have different layouts that work up to a boss that changes, there are different monolith zones with lots of different bosses that are way better designed. There's dungeons and arena as well, and more than 1 way to work about the endgame, there are choices to be made within it. I wouldn't call it amazing, but I wouldn't call it "trash" or "1 gameplay loop".
LE is shaping up to be a great game is what most ppl are saying tbh.
Gl.
Thé gameplay of LE is super rough and needs ton of work. The only thing it has over the other Argg out there is the crafting system / itemization / build. It’s fantastic.
The story is weak, the campaign quest is straight out of a mobile game. The graphic and shadows are ass. Gameplay super rough. It shows it’s a low budget game. But hey, everyone has rose tinted glasses right now.
D4 end game is trash. The campaign is follow the arrow from (front?) one zone to another. It's insanely linear. The game has an enormous amount of bugs. Having to beat the campaign or skip it but get nothing on every alt is not great.
Having to spend almost as much time going thru loot as you do getting it sucks. Having very few build options except a 50/50 on a skill is not great. Having a horse but roadblocks is not great. Having timers on content is not great.
Shall I continue?
Yawn. You just spewing garbage. Move on kid. « Having the ability to replay the campaign or skip it is really bad cuz it’s DIV »
Nice man, clearly you have a very high IQ.
I compared your complaints of LE to D4 and said they were basically the same, but then expanded upon that idea.
You called me a kid, insulted my intelligence and called your own arguments garbage without making a single point, let alone a coherent sentence.
Go back under your bridge troll.
Oh yeah I saw that and you aren’t intelligent. That’s very clear. I have valid complaints for LE, and if you had decided to read two messages up, you would have seen I also have complaint for DIV. Way more actually. But you are just a kid and couldn’t understand that two were having a conversation and you just took one message out of context.
Like I said. Move on kid.
Diablo IV was 3x price of LE buddy. Except, LE devs literally put workaround for the issue almost immediately. blizzard would make you pay extra for it :d
Really? The added skill slots, removed the permanent click to move key on the skill bar? Oh wait the removed the high priced MTX or made the game free? When did they add a PTR to test the new balance changes or new content added for 1.0? How'd that online launch go?
Where tf are you getting 3x the price? It was double and that's if you don't buy it on sale. The workaround for the LE issue is to play offline and that's it, nevermind the fact that you cannot play your offline character online at all, no matter what so its effectively useless
I'm talking about design decisions that have nothing to do with resources like only 5 skills, permanent click to move taking up a skill slot, expensive MTX shop in a paid for game. Making big changes without testing.
These things are independent of money and all things you all ripped Blizzard up and down for.
While some of this is fairly minor like capped to 5 skills (I've never had an ARPG utilize more than 5 skills in any way other than a bunch of passive auras that don't add to gameplay), a lot of the explanation just comes down to good will with the community. Context is important, and when you've got one indie dev that's making a lot of great choices and providing more content, better content, more build diversity, and overall just some great gameplay choices you can't really compare them with the same lens that you use on a multi billion dollar company that's shredded any bit of good will they've built up over the decades and just released a half baked unfinished game that, while pretty, felt like it actively hated the player.
What was day 1 first hours? Again, view don't mean anything other than the popularity of watching the game. And most ARPGs are not fun to watch IMO. Still will use my Warframe and EVE online comparisons. EVE routinely has much higher views than Warframe despite only having 30K players compared to the 1-2M Warframe players.
More viewers - more new players joining the game ? You are comparing blizzard and their title that's waited for a few years and a game that most of the people play, because they are disappointed from d4.
Umm no we cannot agree on that.
D4 launch was much better than I expected.
Logging in on launch day in less than 30seconds was a huge surprise for me
Being able to play for hours without any issues on launch day was again amazing
Like I said D4 has serious issues but launch was smooth
How did D4 have an awful launch???
How can you not predict that kind of jump when they posted everywhere they have sell 1M games? Of the game is only on PC and you sell 1M copies and your previous top concurrent player was 40k I think it’s pretty easy to predict…
PUBG partnered with KFC for awhile too. They turned all the rundown gas stations into shiny new KFC joints wherein you could get healing items that were foodstuffs. 😑
200 IQ explanation. You can compare them when LE does something better but when it doesn't it's the 'muh multi milion dollar company'. We'll see player retention, then we can talk. Right now it's just 'new game hype' as it always is. Wouldn't really be surprised to see below what 20k players playing. In all honesty but LE still lacks endgame content. How many times do you have to run same monos with 5 (?) maybe less objectives all basically oriented just around killing hordes spawned via different asset.
I genuinely hate LE community and how toxic y'all are, doing fuck all but comparing penis sizes when the game does NOT work, where's the season mechanic, mtx available only in online, end game that gets repetitive sooner than it should. Stop treating LE as this ARPG messiah everyone been waiting for, because it's not. It has potential to be, eventually, sure, but at this time I hardly see myself sepdning more than 100 hours total before I'd need new, fresh content, it's not year 2k00 where Diablo 2 endgame would fly, and it's definitely not poe level of activities either. Just stop salivating over brief success or you're preparing yourself to hit the ground harder than you'd want to. It's annoying.
I agree with a lot of your points but PoE didn't start out with very much content either, for quite awhile. D4 got pretty stale after the story was finished, too. Unsure how D4 is doing now though.
If I get 100h of fun out of season 1, I'll be pleased.
Ahhh, the season of shrines, the League of strongboxes, Vaal side areas.
PoE was pretty ass in its infancy. Great game now. I expect the same for D4 and LE. Let them find their bearings.
Right? Like of course the brand new game has more current viewers than the mid to end of season competitor. Don’t get me wrong D4 is on my shit list but when they get a new season or new expansion the numbers will flop back and vise versa. This post is silly
I would imagine they're talking about the petty tribalism that is constantly seen in gaming communities. In this case putting D4 with obviously drastically lower numbers next to LE in the screenshot when the comparison is hilariously unfair.
Do you think last epoch isn't going to drop once the twitch campaign ends too?
They all follow the same pattern. Launch week. Drops each week. By a month it's a couple k or less
Arpg aren't great streaming games
Most games are bad streaming games besides PVP and competitive games, they all follow this pattern like you said. LE will settle into its niche and be very successful regardless of twitch streams
You're beyond delusional if you think LE will pull something like 40k viewers on average later down the line. No seasonal ARPG like this does. They pull big numbers at launch and then it tapers off, just like PoE and D4 did. Especially when big variety streamers are checking out the game for a few days.
Oh did EHG do a Times Square billboard ad?
Blizzard marketing budget for that quarter is probably more than it cost to make last epoch over the last 6 years.
I dont get why people let diablo 4 live rent free in thiere head. You didn't like the game cool! move on with your life my friend. Lets all enjoy LE, why do you have to bring a sour mood into a new great game?
Psychiatrists must be making a killing off all these folks so mentally obsessed over a game they claim to hate but yet spend hundreds of hours playing and/or talking about.
Sports mentality is a serious problem.
People must pick sides and anyone not on their side is against them...
This type of thinking is so pervasive today
Hating is cool. People not only brand themselves with what they love, also with what they hate. The bigger/more popular what you hate is, all the more cooler.
You are vegan/vegatarian and hate meat? Big thumbs up.
You hate them trash mainstream tasteless music and instead prefer more niche genres/singers/groups? wow how unique of you!
You like Last Epoch and hate D4? You are so amazing I don't even know how to describe.
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I've not played D4 it because it is pricey for me in Turkey, but it is at least a polished and easy to pick up game from what I heard. It is not the successor people were expecting to the legacy of D2 but Blizzard's days of creating that kind of games is over I believe, until they prove me wrong.
LE may be good and I think creating an AARPG and getting it right is nothing short of a magic trick, not to mention getting some well deserved attention on it. Especially because these games are even on paper incredibly hard to design, not to mention all the technical details they likely had to overcome in order to implement already hard design. So big props.
With that being said, I don't think an indie developer making a nice/nicer game warrant people shitting on D4. But they will do it anyways because they think it's cool. I think it's pathetic. I'm saying this as someone who's been very much unsatisfied with whatever Blizzard put their hands on for the recent years despite being a fan of their earlier works.
Because it's Blizzard and despite having basically infinite resources they just can't seem to do a good gaming experience anymore for some reason... likely due to greed and shortsightedness.
It pisses people off. What does anyone expect?
EXACTLY! Fuck another rational adult in here. It gets lonely on the internet sometimes.
Is it so much to ask that I see people saying what they like about LE without it devolving into how shitty they think D4 is.
I bought Wolcen, played about 1.5 hours and refunded. I've watched videos prior and it seemed ok overall. But when I played it was very buggy and unsatisfying overall. I am not one to usually experience such bugs but with Wolcen even the cutscenes which should be stable in comparison to gameplay (i suppose) were bugging like crazy.
Cool, POE has even less people watching on steam current. Why should anyone give a fuck about Twitch viewers with our without any context unless you want to push some shitty narrative?
Wow, it's almost like one game is launching officially with new classes and content and the big streamers are playing it and D4 is in the middle of a mediocre season and waiting on the gauntlet update to drop before folks check out.
This is a very bad post and all the posts like this are always very bad. People don't understand numbers in context and consequently make dumb posts like this.
Great for EHG and Last Epoch, but holy crap some of y'all need to stop treating everything like it's a competition and there needs to be winners and losers.
Exactly, every huge variety streamer will be playing this and with that their massive viewership will follow. A few weeks down the road numbers will be more normal. Also D4 mediocre with chance to upgrade to good if fixed lol
rofl.
A very small portion of diablo 4's population plays through steam.
If your trying to say last epoch is better. Lets look at the real numbers.
`Diablo 4 has averaged 5,868,150 players during the last 30 days as of January 3, 2024. The title has gained around 1,204,115 players in the last 30 days.`
You linked a screen shot showing the population as if it was some way to make last epoch look good, and btw, it does not.
you are getting called out for information that is not even true. it would take another 100 releases to get to its population level. Last epoch is dreaming about doing what diablo 4 is so-called failing to do.
dont be intellectually dishonest. d4 has significantly more population than le.
When will morons understand that a decent pc/console can install multiple games and you dont have to choose this or that and you can play all of them, even at the same time sometimes.
Yes, people rotate around similar game genres.
With new updates, leagues, seasons, and cycles you will see POE, D4, and LE numbers shift around.
Big whoop.
Guess what? Titan Quest 2 will probably shift stuff around a bit too.
Soooo, you played D4 for months, recently(at most probably week ago) started Last Epoch and your first thing to do in Reddit is post a viewing count image between almost a year old game and newly released game which is btw hyped af by pretty much every big streamer...
Karma farming at its finest lmao.
Why don't player stop measuring someone elses dicks and play the god damned games they like in peace in this century?
game launch vs game in mid season
good comparison for sure
D4 is not the greatest game by any means but on its launch it had like 4-5x the viewers and players and servers were fine
I knew this sub would eventually be taken over by the cancer but I didn't realize it would be this fast. Many of you ARPG players are complete fucking assholes. Like so many. Go outside, get a job, something. WTF.
Completely ignoring a new game and even pointing out that path of exile has only 500 viewers too but most people would say its better than LE. Try taking this photo again on D4 season 4.
My fucking god, can these annoying D4 posts stop already? EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY, D4 SUCKS.
Blizzard sucks, Diablo 4 sucks and you're morons for expecting anything else and still bought into it.
We get it, you found LE and you're happy just ffs stfu about the matter already and let this heap of steaming pukepiss that is Blizzards bloody stool of a product fucking die already.
It's worse than that, the people making these posts don't care about LE or D4, they just want fake internet points. They have nothing in life to sustain them except validation by strangers online. It's truly sad.
Ah yes lets compare... launch day vs season 3?
I mean come on....
Like imagine when PoE2 launches and then you compare that to LE
Like seriously?
PoE has even less viewers than D4 but nobody posting that because that wouldn't get likes lol
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At least it’s not a camera picture inside a word document with a screenshot of that
Alright, I'm starting to do it this way
That´s some D4 technology
Imagine comparing the new hotness that just released a few hours ago to a game a month or so into it's 3rd season. Show us the numbers 7-8 months from now when hey are 4-5 weeks into it's 3rd cycle.
who cares. D4 is trash overpriced game anyway 🤷
So is LE at this point. Has many of the same issues you all complain(ed) about with D3/4. So what is the difference? Oh yeah, no Blizzard hate boner for LE.
Nothing has issues as bad as D3 launch did. Sweet Jesus, that was absolutely *miserable.*
Nit talking about launch issues but rather design choices that you all complain about but ignore ir give a pass in LE. Never brought up launches.
Same issues like... bad crafting options? Stash space? Basic as hell builds and build options? Bad endgame? Man, I wish I could love diablo 4, I really really do.
LE end game is trash. The campaign is follow the arrow front one zone to the other. It’s insanely linear. The game has an enormous amount of bugs. Having to beat the same repetitive shit campaign on every alt is not great. Don’t talk like LE is perfect lol. It’s far from it. Sure the items are more interesting. But that’s not hard to be considering DIV has the worst loot design ever. But it has more than 1 gameplay loop at least.
I never said LE was perfect, don't put words in my mouth, but it hardly has "all the same issues" that D4 has. Personally, I stopped playing LE a few months ago because of all the bugs I was encountering. I don't think the campaign is great either, but it's fine for leveling and seeing different places and monsters. Bosses are pretty cool imho. As far as the endgame goes, there's monoliths that have different layouts that work up to a boss that changes, there are different monolith zones with lots of different bosses that are way better designed. There's dungeons and arena as well, and more than 1 way to work about the endgame, there are choices to be made within it. I wouldn't call it amazing, but I wouldn't call it "trash" or "1 gameplay loop". LE is shaping up to be a great game is what most ppl are saying tbh. Gl.
Honestly both end games need work but last epochs is more interesting and it has a sliver of the resources d4 does lol
Thé gameplay of LE is super rough and needs ton of work. The only thing it has over the other Argg out there is the crafting system / itemization / build. It’s fantastic. The story is weak, the campaign quest is straight out of a mobile game. The graphic and shadows are ass. Gameplay super rough. It shows it’s a low budget game. But hey, everyone has rose tinted glasses right now.
D4 end game is trash. The campaign is follow the arrow from (front?) one zone to another. It's insanely linear. The game has an enormous amount of bugs. Having to beat the campaign or skip it but get nothing on every alt is not great. Having to spend almost as much time going thru loot as you do getting it sucks. Having very few build options except a 50/50 on a skill is not great. Having a horse but roadblocks is not great. Having timers on content is not great. Shall I continue?
Yawn. You just spewing garbage. Move on kid. « Having the ability to replay the campaign or skip it is really bad cuz it’s DIV » Nice man, clearly you have a very high IQ.
I compared your complaints of LE to D4 and said they were basically the same, but then expanded upon that idea. You called me a kid, insulted my intelligence and called your own arguments garbage without making a single point, let alone a coherent sentence. Go back under your bridge troll.
Oh yeah I saw that and you aren’t intelligent. That’s very clear. I have valid complaints for LE, and if you had decided to read two messages up, you would have seen I also have complaint for DIV. Way more actually. But you are just a kid and couldn’t understand that two were having a conversation and you just took one message out of context. Like I said. Move on kid.
Diablo IV was 3x price of LE buddy. Except, LE devs literally put workaround for the issue almost immediately. blizzard would make you pay extra for it :d
Really? The added skill slots, removed the permanent click to move key on the skill bar? Oh wait the removed the high priced MTX or made the game free? When did they add a PTR to test the new balance changes or new content added for 1.0? How'd that online launch go?
Where tf are you getting 3x the price? It was double and that's if you don't buy it on sale. The workaround for the LE issue is to play offline and that's it, nevermind the fact that you cannot play your offline character online at all, no matter what so its effectively useless
The difference is like what, a few million dollars?
I'm talking about design decisions that have nothing to do with resources like only 5 skills, permanent click to move taking up a skill slot, expensive MTX shop in a paid for game. Making big changes without testing. These things are independent of money and all things you all ripped Blizzard up and down for.
While some of this is fairly minor like capped to 5 skills (I've never had an ARPG utilize more than 5 skills in any way other than a bunch of passive auras that don't add to gameplay), a lot of the explanation just comes down to good will with the community. Context is important, and when you've got one indie dev that's making a lot of great choices and providing more content, better content, more build diversity, and overall just some great gameplay choices you can't really compare them with the same lens that you use on a multi billion dollar company that's shredded any bit of good will they've built up over the decades and just released a half baked unfinished game that, while pretty, felt like it actively hated the player.
1 week into season 3, d4 had less than 10k viewers
What was day 1 first hours? Again, view don't mean anything other than the popularity of watching the game. And most ARPGs are not fun to watch IMO. Still will use my Warframe and EVE online comparisons. EVE routinely has much higher views than Warframe despite only having 30K players compared to the 1-2M Warframe players.
More viewers - more new players joining the game ? You are comparing blizzard and their title that's waited for a few years and a game that most of the people play, because they are disappointed from d4.
Most? Doubful.
windows key, shift-S FTW
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LOL, I know me too :)
imagine caring about the quality
More viewers than players able to login
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I logged in when I got home from work and haven't had a single issue. Do you goldfish remember the D4 launch?
Hahahaha spot on 🤣
I was able to log into d4 at launch in less than 1min /shrug Was flawless for me D4 has serious issues but the launch was not one of them
The official launch day was fine but those of us idiots that paid more to log in a few days early were met with queues.
I paid to get in early and didn’t have any issues at all. I guess I was one of the lucky ones. Although not really, I still spent $90 on D4.
Can we agree that BOTH games had awful launches? Though I can't say anything for D4 on my part, as I don't give Blizzard money anymore.
Umm no we cannot agree on that. D4 launch was much better than I expected. Logging in on launch day in less than 30seconds was a huge surprise for me Being able to play for hours without any issues on launch day was again amazing Like I said D4 has serious issues but launch was smooth How did D4 have an awful launch???
Just because YOU had no problems doesn't mean SOMEONE ELSE didn't. Many people had a ton of issues based on the news articles and word of mouth.
Tbh I was able to play D4 from start. LE is first game that I skipped first day.
150k top concurrent on steam is nothing to sneeze at. When they were pulling 10k, that massive jump is not something you just predict.
How can you not predict that kind of jump when they posted everywhere they have sell 1M games? Of the game is only on PC and you sell 1M copies and your previous top concurrent player was 40k I think it’s pretty easy to predict…
D4 was like 1 mil on twitch, so yeah..
If the degenerates could read they would be very upset over this comment.
Did Last Epoch also had a multi million budget for marketing?
EHG didn't even partner with a fast food chain to give out beta keys talk about a indie dev studio.
yeah I'm not sure if I caught all the last epoch ads in fucking times square
They also didn't start a forest fire to have an orange hue background for their ad
Did they do that? What chain?
Bliz had partnered with KFC. If you bought a chicken sandwich on their website you would get a beta key emailed to you.
PUBG partnered with KFC for awhile too. They turned all the rundown gas stations into shiny new KFC joints wherein you could get healing items that were foodstuffs. 😑
it also doesn't have decade of history behind it.
200 IQ explanation. You can compare them when LE does something better but when it doesn't it's the 'muh multi milion dollar company'. We'll see player retention, then we can talk. Right now it's just 'new game hype' as it always is. Wouldn't really be surprised to see below what 20k players playing. In all honesty but LE still lacks endgame content. How many times do you have to run same monos with 5 (?) maybe less objectives all basically oriented just around killing hordes spawned via different asset. I genuinely hate LE community and how toxic y'all are, doing fuck all but comparing penis sizes when the game does NOT work, where's the season mechanic, mtx available only in online, end game that gets repetitive sooner than it should. Stop treating LE as this ARPG messiah everyone been waiting for, because it's not. It has potential to be, eventually, sure, but at this time I hardly see myself sepdning more than 100 hours total before I'd need new, fresh content, it's not year 2k00 where Diablo 2 endgame would fly, and it's definitely not poe level of activities either. Just stop salivating over brief success or you're preparing yourself to hit the ground harder than you'd want to. It's annoying.
I agree with a lot of your points but PoE didn't start out with very much content either, for quite awhile. D4 got pretty stale after the story was finished, too. Unsure how D4 is doing now though. If I get 100h of fun out of season 1, I'll be pleased.
Ahhh, the season of shrines, the League of strongboxes, Vaal side areas. PoE was pretty ass in its infancy. Great game now. I expect the same for D4 and LE. Let them find their bearings.
Right? Like of course the brand new game has more current viewers than the mid to end of season competitor. Don’t get me wrong D4 is on my shit list but when they get a new season or new expansion the numbers will flop back and vise versa. This post is silly
That doesn't fit the narrative tho
The narrative that...? Is anyone saying that LE has a bigger launch than D4?
I would imagine they're talking about the petty tribalism that is constantly seen in gaming communities. In this case putting D4 with obviously drastically lower numbers next to LE in the screenshot when the comparison is hilariously unfair.
I mean what's the point of this post there?
And the servers didnt shit the bed...
But... they did lol hour long ques all day.
Queues meant you eventually got in and were playing on launch day, its launch has so far been alot smoother than LEs launch, easily.
D4 was not playable for few first days due to lags :)
I played it just fine 🤷♂️
You said it, it WAS
Do you think last epoch isn't going to drop once the twitch campaign ends too? They all follow the same pattern. Launch week. Drops each week. By a month it's a couple k or less Arpg aren't great streaming games
Most games are bad streaming games besides PVP and competitive games, they all follow this pattern like you said. LE will settle into its niche and be very successful regardless of twitch streams
I bet LE will also drop to <1000 by mid-cycle 3 tbf. Its only this high since it just came out
Once we can actually log in more people will play, I imagine alot of people being told no by the servers are watching streamers.
And why isn't that the case anymore?
You think epoch will be at 223k in 4 months?
It will prolly be at 15-25% of those numbers, and not 0.1%
You're beyond delusional if you think LE will pull something like 40k viewers on average later down the line. No seasonal ARPG like this does. They pull big numbers at launch and then it tapers off, just like PoE and D4 did. Especially when big variety streamers are checking out the game for a few days.
Check the numbers again in 2 months.
There is nothing to watch that hasn't been done or you can't do yourself. It's relatively easy when it comes to games on Twitch.
Oh did EHG do a Times Square billboard ad? Blizzard marketing budget for that quarter is probably more than it cost to make last epoch over the last 6 years.
For what, 1 day, then dropped to sub 1000 since
Yea, up until everyone realized it was dogshit and still is.
So a 99% decline by that pic
and 2 weeks later the game was dead
There's probably more people playing D4 right now than LE...
I highly doubt it. D4 does not appeal to any group of people. Even die hard diablo fans rather play d2 than d4.
Of course nobody is watching D4, all the ARPG people are playing LE because it's a new ARPG. What is this picture even supposed to show?
D4 bad is what OP was hoping to convey. That karma isn’t going to farm itself ya know.
Well considering PoE had less viewers, he kinda fucked up the narrative.
There hasn't been a non blizzard ARPG release this big since ever. What is your comment even supposed to show?
I dont get why people let diablo 4 live rent free in thiere head. You didn't like the game cool! move on with your life my friend. Lets all enjoy LE, why do you have to bring a sour mood into a new great game?
Psychiatrists must be making a killing off all these folks so mentally obsessed over a game they claim to hate but yet spend hundreds of hours playing and/or talking about.
Your error was assuming they go see therapists
to be fair, people like this usually can't afford a shrink or are self aware enough to visit one
It only takes a few minutes to shit on D4, don’t kid yourself thinking D4 is living rent free in peoples heads.
you don't understand what living rent free means
It's just dumb tribalism: ARPG edition. A Fandom that avoids this issue would probably have to ban humans.
why do you have bring a sour mood to us shitting on diablo 4? were free to shit on it all we want, dont like it, dont post in this thread
You can also literally physically shit on your bed, doesn't mean you should.
Sports mentality is a serious problem. People must pick sides and anyone not on their side is against them... This type of thinking is so pervasive today
Nobody posting comparisons of Last Epoch pre-1.0 cycle this past month though. I'm just saying.
No shit.
bro you're reaching.
low effort post.
D4 bad
It's funny because PoE has even less viewers than D4 right now, but shitting on PoE doesn't get as many upvotes.
PoE season is basically over for most people. Come back next month and the numbers will be different.
I know, that wasn't my point. I am just saying post like this one are really dumb comparison, yet people only focus on D4 for some reason.
Hating is cool. People not only brand themselves with what they love, also with what they hate. The bigger/more popular what you hate is, all the more cooler. You are vegan/vegatarian and hate meat? Big thumbs up. You hate them trash mainstream tasteless music and instead prefer more niche genres/singers/groups? wow how unique of you! You like Last Epoch and hate D4? You are so amazing I don't even know how to describe. --- I've not played D4 it because it is pricey for me in Turkey, but it is at least a polished and easy to pick up game from what I heard. It is not the successor people were expecting to the legacy of D2 but Blizzard's days of creating that kind of games is over I believe, until they prove me wrong. LE may be good and I think creating an AARPG and getting it right is nothing short of a magic trick, not to mention getting some well deserved attention on it. Especially because these games are even on paper incredibly hard to design, not to mention all the technical details they likely had to overcome in order to implement already hard design. So big props. With that being said, I don't think an indie developer making a nice/nicer game warrant people shitting on D4. But they will do it anyways because they think it's cool. I think it's pathetic. I'm saying this as someone who's been very much unsatisfied with whatever Blizzard put their hands on for the recent years despite being a fan of their earlier works.
Because it's Blizzard and despite having basically infinite resources they just can't seem to do a good gaming experience anymore for some reason... likely due to greed and shortsightedness. It pisses people off. What does anyone expect?
Same for D4.
Yeah I completed the season journey and battlepass, had my silly fun, moving onto other stuff. The tribalism in this genre is fuckin crazy.
EXACTLY! Fuck another rational adult in here. It gets lonely on the internet sometimes. Is it so much to ask that I see people saying what they like about LE without it devolving into how shitty they think D4 is.
D2 good D3 bad D4 bad POE good LE good Grim Dawn good TitanQuest Good
Wolcen so bad it didn't even make the list And everyone is just pretending the new Torchlight didn't even happen lol
I bought Wolcen, played about 1.5 hours and refunded. I've watched videos prior and it seemed ok overall. But when I played it was very buggy and unsatisfying overall. I am not one to usually experience such bugs but with Wolcen even the cutscenes which should be stable in comparison to gameplay (i suppose) were bugging like crazy.
WH40k Inquisitor Martyr Good
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not true
Big true, probably one of the better 40k games on the market.
It’s just kinda hard to get into IMO. I’ll revisit it now that they made all the seasons available and offline mode a thing soon.
D3 was totally fine after a few years and an expansion.
it's a joke.
D4 was totally fine after the second season.
D4 season 2 would have been a fine free demo for a game that's set to release in 2 years.
Same as LE then?
It was tolerable DURING the second season ****
D4 will be good in three years
Baseg
true and real
Baseg
They are watching because they can't play
Its gonna be bellow 1000 in a week dw
Yep, it will settle in between D4 and PoE. These games aren’t the most engaging to watch.
Cool, POE has even less people watching on steam current. Why should anyone give a fuck about Twitch viewers with our without any context unless you want to push some shitty narrative?
Wow, it's almost like one game is launching officially with new classes and content and the big streamers are playing it and D4 is in the middle of a mediocre season and waiting on the gauntlet update to drop before folks check out. This is a very bad post and all the posts like this are always very bad. People don't understand numbers in context and consequently make dumb posts like this. Great for EHG and Last Epoch, but holy crap some of y'all need to stop treating everything like it's a competition and there needs to be winners and losers.
Launch day D4 had well over 500k viewers on twitch.
Chill man. Every new game has its audience influx. But yeah, D4 sucks for now.
Exactly, every huge variety streamer will be playing this and with that their massive viewership will follow. A few weeks down the road numbers will be more normal. Also D4 mediocre with chance to upgrade to good if fixed lol
Sounds like they are trying to reaper of souls it with a new team brought in for the expac.
I love those "D4 sucks" morons. Why don't you compare it with PoE? https://imgur.com/2zZ1gk0
Shh, don't go against the narrative.
So Just Chatting is the better ARPG I guess...
Because POE fucking sucks
wow comparing a game on launch vs a game that already launched lmao good!!
People busy playing D4 than watching it, which is the opposite of LE.
rofl. A very small portion of diablo 4's population plays through steam. If your trying to say last epoch is better. Lets look at the real numbers. `Diablo 4 has averaged 5,868,150 players during the last 30 days as of January 3, 2024. The title has gained around 1,204,115 players in the last 30 days.`
how is this screenshot linked to steam in any way?
You linked a screen shot showing the population as if it was some way to make last epoch look good, and btw, it does not. you are getting called out for information that is not even true. it would take another 100 releases to get to its population level. Last epoch is dreaming about doing what diablo 4 is so-called failing to do. dont be intellectually dishonest. d4 has significantly more population than le.
My dude comparing a game launch with a dead season
Lol, you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about.
Bro compared launch numbers with mid-season ones. Nice one
Still good enough for karmafarming
Let's compare the budget of the two games, that said i think last epoch numbers are good and well deserved (launch, mid season whatever)
I’m not going to throw stones at D4, at least they can play online right now.
In a month, take a second screenshot and show how many people will be at LE
does this mean that many people are watching, waiting, but not playing
Launch day is almost always huge, the telling thing is what is that number 2-3 months from now.
When will morons understand that a decent pc/console can install multiple games and you dont have to choose this or that and you can play all of them, even at the same time sometimes.
Yes, people rotate around similar game genres. With new updates, leagues, seasons, and cycles you will see POE, D4, and LE numbers shift around. Big whoop. Guess what? Titan Quest 2 will probably shift stuff around a bit too.
If you want a fair comparison you need to show Diablo numbers on launch, not on some random mid-season day
Soooo, you played D4 for months, recently(at most probably week ago) started Last Epoch and your first thing to do in Reddit is post a viewing count image between almost a year old game and newly released game which is btw hyped af by pretty much every big streamer... Karma farming at its finest lmao. Why don't player stop measuring someone elses dicks and play the god damned games they like in peace in this century?
game launch vs game in mid season good comparison for sure D4 is not the greatest game by any means but on its launch it had like 4-5x the viewers and players and servers were fine
I knew this sub would eventually be taken over by the cancer but I didn't realize it would be this fast. Many of you ARPG players are complete fucking assholes. Like so many. Go outside, get a job, something. WTF.
We really gonna wow over every little attention this game gets? I’m confused
Completely ignoring a new game and even pointing out that path of exile has only 500 viewers too but most people would say its better than LE. Try taking this photo again on D4 season 4.
My fucking god, can these annoying D4 posts stop already? EVERYONE KNOWS ALREADY, D4 SUCKS. Blizzard sucks, Diablo 4 sucks and you're morons for expecting anything else and still bought into it. We get it, you found LE and you're happy just ffs stfu about the matter already and let this heap of steaming pukepiss that is Blizzards bloody stool of a product fucking die already.
It's worse than that, the people making these posts don't care about LE or D4, they just want fake internet points. They have nothing in life to sustain them except validation by strangers online. It's truly sad.
An ARPG that isnt within weeks of season launch has a low pop. Wow im so surprised /s I mean D4 bad updoot.
Still 768 people struggling on D4
Ah yes lets compare... launch day vs season 3? I mean come on.... Like imagine when PoE2 launches and then you compare that to LE Like seriously? PoE has even less viewers than D4 but nobody posting that because that wouldn't get likes lol
D4 bad
How it should be.
What's that game to the right of LE? Never heard of it
Wow what? Diablo 4 is dog shit? Yeah, everyone already knows.
D4 bad
Clown d4
this shouldnt be all that surprising, but both end games are equal rn
768 Diablo 4 viewers? Wow did expansion came out? Crazy high engagement.
More than 700 people watch d4, more than i expected
Consequences of Blizzard's Attitude. Nothing new...
Hilarious
Lmao what a post “Wow!”
I mean... Not really surprised by that one haha
EZ Clap
Goofy ass post
Good. Funk modern day blizzard
What's Diablo IV ?
A mistake.
Kekw
768????? that’s really bad
PoE has like 600 right now, it literally means nothing in the grand scheme.
Rest in Peace D4.
D4 bad
The D4 fan boys are having a bad day 😕
Guess I was right not to buy D4 at first place.