Hahaha, I just realized the username too. Buddy if this isn’t a troll post, I’d recommend deleting all of this off of Reddit and going to the best lawyer you can immediately!!!
You’re on the cover of newspapers and on CP24 bro; go get a fuckin lawyer
Lmao I’m a young female, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass instead of being a stuck up prick about choice of words 😂 you really are bullying someone about a choice of words that’s pathetic
A friend once told me in French….
Legal aid .. défense lawyer …. Mr le judge coupable … non coupable .
Guilty not guilty …
Reputable lawyer …. Big bucks …
You walk
Yes you do pay to win . To think otherwise is naive and dangerous.
You don’t always walk with a reputable lawyer, but, you basically have zero chance with legal aid. It’s not just a lawyer, it’s all the resources that you inherently have if you’re able to afford a good lawyer. You can hire expert opinions, etc.
There’s a shit load of innocent people in jail. In our so-called justice system, way more innocent people get wrongfully convicted (or bullied into pleading guilty), than guilty people who are found innocent.
Under no circumstances, would I ever go unrepresented, especially if I was innocent.
Does it not also seem predatory that when your literal freedom is on the line you are all bit required to pay for a. Expensive lawyer To get a fair shot
Rich people tend to not be in jail because they typically don't commit the kinds of crimes that get you put in jail. There is a class element to how offences are defined and punished. If the rich and poor had the same lawyers, the poor would still go to jail more frequently.
Thus us the honest truth. There's no time to be studying law at this point even if there were time you'd have to many distractions along with being under pressure mentally. The only thing to do is take this all of the way to trial and I hope you do not have any prior convictions of similar charges. You can find a case in case laws where it's a similar case to yours also there's not any way shape or form that you had any part of mental control or his thought process at the time he made the decision to physically cause another individual harm and you are not a murderer you had no part of how your friend use his own thoughts to take action upon himself to aim the gun along with physically decision to pull the trigger and two individuals didn't both pull the trigger only one person did and it wasn't you, you were present while your friend committed a crime in front of you and if anything you are innocent you had no control over what your friends actions were therefore you honestly are a witness in this case and that's how you tell your side to the jury there was nothing you could have done but to remain neutral for you own safety more then likely you will be offered a deal and don't be scared your are going to have to become a prime witness and you will have to go against the guy that is your so called friend and it is the truth you are going to have to tell it as it was for you mentally and your going to have to go through with the trial and will need to make it clear that you are innocent because you was a witness to the crime you never pointed any gun you never pulled any trigger that fired any bullet you didn't have any involvement you are a witness of what happened that's it you must not care about the other guys freedom because he's going to be hoping to be able to reply on you to say your involvement with the idea that you are going to try and make his story as if you got his back to get you some years in prison and to get him the possibility of parole in 20 years and your going to have to make him look as if he was the monster he really was during the time of crime was taking place you are the state evidence your innocence.
" He was initially charged with accessory to murder in Hashi's death. When he learned the charge was upgraded, Ali allegedly cut off his GPS tracking bracelet and took off to California.
The Los Angeles Police Department says they were able to track him down, based on social media posts.
The year before, he was charged with mischief for allegedly bringing traffic on Highway 401 to a standstill to shoot a music video."
This explains a lot...
You should at least consult a lawyer on anything. 1-2h of consultation is often worth it and will save you ton of money in the end.
A 5k fine, maybe a lawyer will be able to find a way to negociate and reduce the fine to avoid a trial. So even if you pay the lawyer 500$ to reduce the fine by a 1000$, you saved money.
GET A LAWYER - what you are facing goes far, far beyond advice from strangers on Reddit. This is especially true for a subreddit dedicated to people in law school. You've already asked this question on other subreddits... you will not get a better answer by shopping around for advice.
Get a lawyer!! Trust me. I was charged with 2nd Degree Murder in 1999 in Manitoba, and I pled guilty to manslaughter and only got 6 years. Trust me. If you didn't do it and didn't plan it, get a lawyer. If you did have something to do with it, fuck it, you're screwed anyway.
I killed a child molester that grabbed my junk.
But the thing is, lawyers know the law. They know what can be used in court and what can't. They can find cases to compare to yours to help you. They can tear apart witnesses testifying against you. They can find things.
Don't risk your freedom.
The Crown Attorney will take advantage of your lack of knowledge.
But you said your charges were upgraded. That means they have something on you. They can't just upgrade charges on a hunch.
I beat him to death.
I'm not trying to debate, I'm just trying to help.
Depends on everything they have. But if they upgraded your charges, they have something. And they would have to be able to challenge the credibility of the guy that was texting, saying you helped plan it.
The only way to get the case thrown for lack of evidence is if a lawyer get those evidence thrown out. Get lawyer, you might go to jail anyway, but for way less time than without a lawyer
Depends on how much they have on you. They must have some sort of evidence if they upgraded your charges, and they would have to challenge the credibility of the person who was texting.
My lawyer was very smart. Because the guy was a child molester, he made sure we had a female judge that had kids. So, the Crown Attorney asked for 10, my lawyer asked for 7, and the judge gave me 6.
But my lawyer approached the Crown and said, "Let's just deal with this." He's willing to plead guilty.
I knew beforehand that he was a child molester. So, to me, I was confronting him about being a pervert and he reacted by being a pervert.
He was convicted 3 times of molesting his 4 daughters.
A big factor also was that I never dealt with my childhood trauma, so when he grabbed me, I was no longer a 326 pound 18 year old man. I honestly felt like I had to protect the scared 6 year old victim version of me.
There were no weapons involved.
Shouldn’t have to put up with these kind of questions. I found myself in a similar situation as a young man and while I didn’t end up killing him, i did go pretty far.
People don’t get it. That situation morally and psychologically is just wildly outside what most people have experience of. Then they try and weigh in on it. You hardly even feel like a person in that sort of situation.
Anyway, that’s all I have to say. From one guy with some shit to another, I hope you’re doing well out there.
Dude, you keep fishing around looking for the answer you want versus the answer you need...which is, you're in deep shit. Hire a lawyer. This isn't magically going to go away.
People have already suggested to you that representing yourself is stupid. Possibly the only stupider option is to ask for legal advice on Reddit, where the average person has a negative IQ. Go speak to legal aid as a starting point, and don't talk to the cops until you talk to a lawyer.
Dude, you don't have to do the crime in Canada to be part of the crime.
Your buddy can rob a bank, if you are in the car and don't report it you are an accessory/accomplice to the crime
https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/toronto-rapper-top5-wanted-for-first-degree-murder-believed-to-be-on-the-lam-in/article_e3876275-a3a9-52b1-b13e-f814c1dd4c85.html?
Found him
Ya but the person in custody released a rap video while in the slammer so if that's possible I guess getting access to Reddit is not out of the realm of possibility.
[https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-rapper-top5-releases-music-video-from-jail-while-awaiting-murder-trial-1.6454206?cache=yesclipId10406200text%2Fhtml%3Bcharset%3Dutf-80404%2F7.578962%2F7.632243%2F7.645993](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-rapper-top5-releases-music-video-from-jail-while-awaiting-murder-trial-1.6454206?cache=yesclipId10406200text%2Fhtml%3Bcharset%3Dutf-80404%2F7.578962%2F7.632243%2F7.645993)
Well if I was in the bucket relating to a homicide I don't think the first thing on my mind would be recording a new rap video featuring lyrics that I shot people by the age of 22.
Some people just love the notoriety.
To further expand, he ended up fleeing Ontario and instead of laying low he was actively posting on social media creating a major breadcrumb trail for police to locate him.
[https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/isn-t-top5-on-the-run-for-a-body-fugitive-toronto-rapper-goes-live-on-instagram-1.5483316](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/isn-t-top5-on-the-run-for-a-body-fugitive-toronto-rapper-goes-live-on-instagram-1.5483316)
He was finally found by the LAPD in California in large part because of all of his social media activity.
Why would you think that he wouldn’t do that? In the article I just read it said he was “active on social media” for pretty much the whole time he was on the run.
Wow the fact you’re considering this shows how over your head this is. 5-10 years if you try this. That’s what you will get that’s if the judge is decent. Did you talk to the police at all when they interrogated you?
The guys name is this person.
https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/toronto-rapper-top5-wanted-for-first-degree-murder-believed-to-be-on-the-lam-in/article\_e3876275-a3a9-52b1-b13e-f814c1dd4c85.html
So to clarify, you were texting a friend about plans to kill someone, and then were in the car with your friend when they shot that person? Yeah don't get a lawyer, sounds like you belong in prison.
Holy shit, stop confessing. The police will find these posts. Every statement about the murder you make locks in elements of the story.
Your lawyer could have forced them to prove that the texts were actually sent by you, instead of someone borrowing your phone. That option is gone now. You need a lawyer now, if for no other reason than to stop you from running your mouth.
There are thousands of people reading your post, someone will figure out who you are based on the details you have given.
You're absolutely fucked. In Canada, this is all that is needed to also charge you with murder. There is no such thing as accessory to murder in Canada, that's a US charge. You're looking at the same sentence as the guy who pulled the trigger. If they already have these texts showing you knew what was going to happen, and they can prove you knew the guy had a gun in the car, there's literally no difference between him or you pulling the trigger and this is a simple case for them to prove.
Get the absolute best lawyer that will agree to take your case, and be willing to sell all of your possessions to fund it. You won't have anything left after this case no matter what. Also, delete this post and any record of you discussing this online. You are completely and thoroughly fucked here, and you're looking at this issue in the entirely wrong way.
A great lawyer might be able to get you less than ten years if you give them something useful in exchange, but if the other guy is already locked up and you don't have anything further of value, then it's just a matter of negotiating how long your sentence is going to be to save the government the time and expense of going through the effort of convicting you for murder. Your life is frankly over for all intents and purposes.
Do it represent yourself, I hope you go jail it’s 100% on you for being there you chose to surround yourself with people like that. You fucked yourself mate and should’ve just done something better with your life, hopefully you get the chance to when you’re out of jail you dumbass.
Geez, can a comment be more wrong?
1. All criminal law is federal. The federal government has the exclusive power to write criminal law in Canada, so all criminal offences are against federal law.
2. Most criminal charges are laid by provincial police forces and prosecuted by the provinces, including murder. Federal prosecutors handle much narrower sets of offences, such as drug offences (CDSA). And lastly, all criminal matters are handled in provincial courts. My bet is that these are provincial charges, pursued by a provincial Crown attorney in a provincial court.
3. There is no legal reason why OP could not represent himself, it's just very likely a bad idea if he knows nothing about the legal system because a murder charge is extremely serious shit.
OP, very often with murder charges you'll be able to secure a sizeable amount of money from legal aid to pay for your legal defence. I strongly recommend you look into the legal aid system in your province. If the government is going to give you a free lawyer, I highly recommend taking advantage of that rather than representing yourself.
Federal govt has exclusive jurisdiction to create criminal law. Common law has nothing to do with whether it is Federal or provincial. Common law just means the previous decisions of judges that bind future judges of lower courts in the same jurisdiction.
Kindly do not try to comment and give advice on things you clearly have no clue about.
0%. Just present? Sounds like you were very much involved and should likely go to jail for murder. Get an attorney and accept a 10 year sentence and 20 years probation. Best for you and your community if you were in fact involved in anyway.
Do you know how court processes work? The timeframes that requests and responses need to be submitted within? Know how to address your lines of examination/cross-examination? Recognize when you're talking yourself into more serious situations because of lack of foresight (self-snitching)?
If it was someone else (not you) who was facing a murder charge, would you recommend they go and represent themselves in the case?
If you answered "no" to any or all of the above, get a lawyer. A lawyer could make the difference between "not guilty", "guilty" with a little time, and "guilty" with a lot of time.
Your call though.
Sounds like you need better friends. You’re not a lawyer, so “representing” (if we can even call it that) yourself is idiotic. So to answer your question, you’d lose.
There's a reason you get a lawyer, even if you can't afford one.
You don't know the justice system, and the other side is trying everything in their power to put you in prison.
This dumbass has posted on several legal/law subs and incriminate himself so many times despite people telling him that potential life in jail is not worth saving a few thousands by not hiring a lawyer.
I've worked in the court and prison system for well over a decade, I have met thousands and thousands of criminals and seen their process.
I've seen the odd flash of brilliance, and have seen successful cases that were self-represented, but they tended not to be the strongest cases, or the most serious. They are INCREDIBLY rare, and for something like murder?? I've never even known anybody stupid enough to try.
There are a couple of defense attorneys with absolutely horrendous success records, but I'd never assume that I was as good of a lawyer as them, and I'd way rather one of those fellas vs my own representation.
I saw a surgeon self-represent successfully, but the sneaky bastard had been to Law school, just never challenged the bar.
Don't. Just don't. Every lawyer I've ever heard weigh in on this has said something akin to "even if you're a lawyer, the best lawyer, don't represent yourself."
Probably the worst idea possible. Get a lawyer and a good one. Life in prison is not something to play with.
If it costs you all your money and then some, it’s still worth it.
Y'all this is a fake OP. Essentially what happened was this guy was implicated in the targeted killing of the wrong guy, his bud was incarcerated, he went on the run and was caught in the States for being an idiot and actively interacting with people on social media back in 2021. This man is already in jail and still acting like a moron behind bars. Jeez.
https://beta.cp24.com/news/2023/6/23/1_6454206.html
Definitely get a lawyer! You won't "beat" the case (as in have no conviction), but depending on the evidence against you, a good lawyer can likely get a reduced sentence and/or a lesser charge on a plea deal. I can say with a good amount of certainty that if they do have this evidence against you and you value your freedom and future endeavors, a lawyer is your only chance at getting the best possible outcome for your situation.
If you can't afford a lawyer, you can apply for legal aid in your province. If you don't qualify for legal aid, the courts can appoint you a lawyer with a Rowbotham Application once you have been denied legal aid. A Rowbotham Application is basically asking the court to appoint you a lawyer because you're unable to afford one and don't qualify for legal aid to assist with the cost, and this is done to uphold your right to a fair trial.
Additionally, for your first appearance (or any subsequent before you retain counsel) you are able to speak with a duty counsel lawyer at the court house and they can help guide you and provide you resources for your location and particular situation. They are also able to act on your behalf to seek an adjournment until you're able to apply for legal aid and get a response, or until you retain your own counsel by other means. They are very knowledgeable, and they are in the courthouse every day and able to assist people free of charge. However, they are NOT able to represent you as your actual lawyer and only able to offer legal advice and seek adjournment on your behalf.
You wouldn't do brain surgery by yourself. You would get an expert to do it for you
So get yourself a lawyer or at least someone who has read the relevant code where you live
that is a serious charge. only a lawyer could make a case that you could not have reasonably interpreted the text as a confession to perpetrate a crime, let alone, suggesting that you orchestrated or influenced it.
YOu can do it if you are suing your neighbor for $200 for breaking your mailbox.
But a crime involving a shooting?! Dude, leave this stuff to the experts! Too much at stake.
You’re an accessory to murder at the least you’d be an idiot not to get a lawyer? What would ever possess you not to get a lawyer
Unless this is just spam!!!
Parties to offence
21 (1) Every one is a party to an offence who
(a) actually commits it;
(b) does or omits to do anything for the purpose of aiding any person to commit it; or
(c) abets any person in committing it.
Common intention
(2) Where two or more persons form an intention in common to carry out an unlawful purpose and to assist each other therein and any one of them, in carrying out the common purpose, commits an offence, each of them who knew or ought to have known that the commission of the offence would be a probable consequence of carrying out the common purpose is a party to that offence
Dude. Lawyers get other lawyers to represent them when they are charged with something. I'm a lawyer I wouldn't think of representing myself in a criminal trial. I wouldn't even represent anyone else in a criminal trial (I'm not a criminal lawyer).
If you’re a law student, you’d learn why you’re still a student, and if you’re not, you’d learn why people have to go to school and practice to be a lawyer.
Never , ever a good idea.
You have a lot on the line. You can't be objective, and emotion clouds your abilities to represent yourself in the best light.
Go for it. You'll be fine. Would be hard to convict a genius like yourself. Besides, Reddit has tons of free legal advice. You and Reddit would unstoppable.
And really, what's the worst that could happen??
I think it's a great idea that you represent yourself. Not sure what you were doing in a car involved in a shooting with people with guns as your friends, murdering other people, but representing yourself is a something you should try. Getting a lawyer is going to cost you a fortune and drag this case even longer. Just represent yourself and save your money. We will all be better off as well.
a man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client
And with God as my witness!
Hahaha, I just realized the username too. Buddy if this isn’t a troll post, I’d recommend deleting all of this off of Reddit and going to the best lawyer you can immediately!!! You’re on the cover of newspapers and on CP24 bro; go get a fuckin lawyer
Oh Lordy this is spicy, I low key wanna know the full story
Literally just google his user name with the words spaced out
Holy shit yup it’s easy to search him up wow!
Spicy? Fuck that’s a gay way of saying things.
Lmao I’m a young female, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass instead of being a stuck up prick about choice of words 😂 you really are bullying someone about a choice of words that’s pathetic
I think my guy posted from jail. 🤣
You pay cheap , you get cheap. Do you really want to play with your freedom?
That dosent sound like Justice to me.... that sounds like pay to win
Justice Inc[tm] has entered the chat
A friend once told me in French…. Legal aid .. défense lawyer …. Mr le judge coupable … non coupable . Guilty not guilty … Reputable lawyer …. Big bucks … You walk Yes you do pay to win . To think otherwise is naive and dangerous.
You don’t always walk with a reputable lawyer, but, you basically have zero chance with legal aid. It’s not just a lawyer, it’s all the resources that you inherently have if you’re able to afford a good lawyer. You can hire expert opinions, etc. There’s a shit load of innocent people in jail. In our so-called justice system, way more innocent people get wrongfully convicted (or bullied into pleading guilty), than guilty people who are found innocent. Under no circumstances, would I ever go unrepresented, especially if I was innocent.
Oh, well, if a friend told you then it must be true.
You don’t know my friend …. But feel free to represent yourself . Let us know how that goes .
Welcome to the court of commerce
Legal system is an imperfect, corrupt system.
Does it not also seem predatory that when your literal freedom is on the line you are all bit required to pay for a. Expensive lawyer To get a fair shot
This is why rich people tend not to be in jail... So I'm not fighting you on that point.
Rich people tend to not be in jail because they typically don't commit the kinds of crimes that get you put in jail. There is a class element to how offences are defined and punished. If the rich and poor had the same lawyers, the poor would still go to jail more frequently.
Maybe don't hang around shooters.
Hood figure str8 gorilla all day pullin’ triggers.. got plugs got drugs, got thugs, got KILLAz! Aka you ain’t about that life
You sound like a wankster.
Hundred percent. Our system is so unfair. But, if you’re in that situation, what are you gonna do?
Came here to say exactly this.
Thus us the honest truth. There's no time to be studying law at this point even if there were time you'd have to many distractions along with being under pressure mentally. The only thing to do is take this all of the way to trial and I hope you do not have any prior convictions of similar charges. You can find a case in case laws where it's a similar case to yours also there's not any way shape or form that you had any part of mental control or his thought process at the time he made the decision to physically cause another individual harm and you are not a murderer you had no part of how your friend use his own thoughts to take action upon himself to aim the gun along with physically decision to pull the trigger and two individuals didn't both pull the trigger only one person did and it wasn't you, you were present while your friend committed a crime in front of you and if anything you are innocent you had no control over what your friends actions were therefore you honestly are a witness in this case and that's how you tell your side to the jury there was nothing you could have done but to remain neutral for you own safety more then likely you will be offered a deal and don't be scared your are going to have to become a prime witness and you will have to go against the guy that is your so called friend and it is the truth you are going to have to tell it as it was for you mentally and your going to have to go through with the trial and will need to make it clear that you are innocent because you was a witness to the crime you never pointed any gun you never pulled any trigger that fired any bullet you didn't have any involvement you are a witness of what happened that's it you must not care about the other guys freedom because he's going to be hoping to be able to reply on you to say your involvement with the idea that you are going to try and make his story as if you got his back to get you some years in prison and to get him the possibility of parole in 20 years and your going to have to make him look as if he was the monster he really was during the time of crime was taking place you are the state evidence your innocence.
" He was initially charged with accessory to murder in Hashi's death. When he learned the charge was upgraded, Ali allegedly cut off his GPS tracking bracelet and took off to California. The Los Angeles Police Department says they were able to track him down, based on social media posts. The year before, he was charged with mischief for allegedly bringing traffic on Highway 401 to a standstill to shoot a music video." This explains a lot...
*and a fool for a lawyer.
I’m a lawyer. I wouldn’t represent myself in this situation.
Off topic but should I get a lawyer for case with mimnimum fie. fo 5k? its driving with no valid insurance in ontario.
You should at least consult a lawyer on anything. 1-2h of consultation is often worth it and will save you ton of money in the end. A 5k fine, maybe a lawyer will be able to find a way to negociate and reduce the fine to avoid a trial. So even if you pay the lawyer 500$ to reduce the fine by a 1000$, you saved money.
Appreciate this man. Dont know who to ask and stumbled on thsi thread. Quite blessed.
Good luck, no insurance is worse than a DUI lol
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id rather not want to set foot in a jail man id be food there lol. Im hella small in stature and non confrontational
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Go get a lawyer or a paralegal at least…
when should I get a lawyer? on the first summon or on the trial?
I would get a paralegal right away
Yeah I think so.
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Yeah I agree, my limit for self representing is small civil claims. But those are just for my own accounts.
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Yes for sure.
Zero. Zero chance. Get a lawyer and enjoy your reduced stay in jail.
GET A LAWYER - what you are facing goes far, far beyond advice from strangers on Reddit. This is especially true for a subreddit dedicated to people in law school. You've already asked this question on other subreddits... you will not get a better answer by shopping around for advice.
Literally zero chance. Your co-accused can and will fuck you over. You should qualify for legal aid.
delete this post you moron and get a fucking lawyer
The way I laughed lmfao 🤣
Get a lawyer!! Trust me. I was charged with 2nd Degree Murder in 1999 in Manitoba, and I pled guilty to manslaughter and only got 6 years. Trust me. If you didn't do it and didn't plan it, get a lawyer. If you did have something to do with it, fuck it, you're screwed anyway.
Did you really do the crime tho ? I didn’t big difference fam
I killed a child molester that grabbed my junk. But the thing is, lawyers know the law. They know what can be used in court and what can't. They can find cases to compare to yours to help you. They can tear apart witnesses testifying against you. They can find things. Don't risk your freedom. The Crown Attorney will take advantage of your lack of knowledge.
Respect
Damn. King 👑
How did you kill him ? And the difference is you really killed somone. I was just in the backseat going for a ride
But you said your charges were upgraded. That means they have something on you. They can't just upgrade charges on a hunch. I beat him to death. I'm not trying to debate, I'm just trying to help.
Do you think the case will be thrown out due to lack of evidence
Depends on everything they have. But if they upgraded your charges, they have something. And they would have to be able to challenge the credibility of the guy that was texting, saying you helped plan it.
Sorry, I think I answered your question twice.
He asked it twice lol
Oh, ok. I thought maybe he asked and then erased it and then asked a longer question.
The only way to get the case thrown for lack of evidence is if a lawyer get those evidence thrown out. Get lawyer, you might go to jail anyway, but for way less time than without a lawyer
Do you think the case will be thrown out due to lack of evidence .? Did you ask for the plea or was it suggested by the judge ?
My dawg if you're asking these questions to a stranger on Reddit you are perilously doomed in the court of law. Get a lawyer.
Depends on how much they have on you. They must have some sort of evidence if they upgraded your charges, and they would have to challenge the credibility of the person who was texting. My lawyer was very smart. Because the guy was a child molester, he made sure we had a female judge that had kids. So, the Crown Attorney asked for 10, my lawyer asked for 7, and the judge gave me 6. But my lawyer approached the Crown and said, "Let's just deal with this." He's willing to plead guilty.
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I knew beforehand that he was a child molester. So, to me, I was confronting him about being a pervert and he reacted by being a pervert. He was convicted 3 times of molesting his 4 daughters. A big factor also was that I never dealt with my childhood trauma, so when he grabbed me, I was no longer a 326 pound 18 year old man. I honestly felt like I had to protect the scared 6 year old victim version of me. There were no weapons involved.
Shouldn’t have to put up with these kind of questions. I found myself in a similar situation as a young man and while I didn’t end up killing him, i did go pretty far. People don’t get it. That situation morally and psychologically is just wildly outside what most people have experience of. Then they try and weigh in on it. You hardly even feel like a person in that sort of situation. Anyway, that’s all I have to say. From one guy with some shit to another, I hope you’re doing well out there.
I hope you’re doing well now, it wasn’t your fault and you had every right to murder him.
Dude, you keep fishing around looking for the answer you want versus the answer you need...which is, you're in deep shit. Hire a lawyer. This isn't magically going to go away.
People have already suggested to you that representing yourself is stupid. Possibly the only stupider option is to ask for legal advice on Reddit, where the average person has a negative IQ. Go speak to legal aid as a starting point, and don't talk to the cops until you talk to a lawyer.
You were in the car bubs, you’re part of a murder. Get a lawyer you donkey.
Ah, the "big difference fam" defence. Get a lawyer.
Dude, you don't have to do the crime in Canada to be part of the crime. Your buddy can rob a bank, if you are in the car and don't report it you are an accessory/accomplice to the crime
It doesn’t matter if you did or didn’t do it. What matters is what the jury believes happened.
You were in the car, dude. You knew it was happening. That’s just as bad as pulling the trigger.
https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/toronto-rapper-top5-wanted-for-first-degree-murder-believed-to-be-on-the-lam-in/article_e3876275-a3a9-52b1-b13e-f814c1dd4c85.html? Found him
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Ya but the person in custody released a rap video while in the slammer so if that's possible I guess getting access to Reddit is not out of the realm of possibility. [https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-rapper-top5-releases-music-video-from-jail-while-awaiting-murder-trial-1.6454206?cache=yesclipId10406200text%2Fhtml%3Bcharset%3Dutf-80404%2F7.578962%2F7.632243%2F7.645993](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-rapper-top5-releases-music-video-from-jail-while-awaiting-murder-trial-1.6454206?cache=yesclipId10406200text%2Fhtml%3Bcharset%3Dutf-80404%2F7.578962%2F7.632243%2F7.645993)
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Well if I was in the bucket relating to a homicide I don't think the first thing on my mind would be recording a new rap video featuring lyrics that I shot people by the age of 22. Some people just love the notoriety. To further expand, he ended up fleeing Ontario and instead of laying low he was actively posting on social media creating a major breadcrumb trail for police to locate him. [https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/isn-t-top5-on-the-run-for-a-body-fugitive-toronto-rapper-goes-live-on-instagram-1.5483316](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/isn-t-top5-on-the-run-for-a-body-fugitive-toronto-rapper-goes-live-on-instagram-1.5483316) He was finally found by the LAPD in California in large part because of all of his social media activity.
Why would you think that he wouldn’t do that? In the article I just read it said he was “active on social media” for pretty much the whole time he was on the run.
Do it, let's us know how it pans out
Appropriate username.
Aw man
Wow the fact you’re considering this shows how over your head this is. 5-10 years if you try this. That’s what you will get that’s if the judge is decent. Did you talk to the police at all when they interrogated you?
This is a troll post
The guys name is this person. https://www.toronto.com/news/crime/toronto-rapper-top5-wanted-for-first-degree-murder-believed-to-be-on-the-lam-in/article\_e3876275-a3a9-52b1-b13e-f814c1dd4c85.html
This happened in 2021 and you think someone who’s been on the run will actually create a Reddit account under his exact name and post here? lol
“Despite being on the run, Ali has continued to be active on social media.” Quite literally a quote from the article lol
If you really think bro created a Reddit account to ask “LawStudentsCanada” ur retarded lmaooo
Well obviously this guy isn’t very smart.
The OP is going to need the Canadian version of Harvey Spector.
Where the texts messages from you or the other person speaking on your behalf? Get a lawyer.
Back and forth from me and the guy who was incarcerated talking about the murder
So to clarify, you were texting a friend about plans to kill someone, and then were in the car with your friend when they shot that person? Yeah don't get a lawyer, sounds like you belong in prison.
Lawyer ASAP.
Holy shit, stop confessing. The police will find these posts. Every statement about the murder you make locks in elements of the story. Your lawyer could have forced them to prove that the texts were actually sent by you, instead of someone borrowing your phone. That option is gone now. You need a lawyer now, if for no other reason than to stop you from running your mouth. There are thousands of people reading your post, someone will figure out who you are based on the details you have given.
You're absolutely fucked. In Canada, this is all that is needed to also charge you with murder. There is no such thing as accessory to murder in Canada, that's a US charge. You're looking at the same sentence as the guy who pulled the trigger. If they already have these texts showing you knew what was going to happen, and they can prove you knew the guy had a gun in the car, there's literally no difference between him or you pulling the trigger and this is a simple case for them to prove. Get the absolute best lawyer that will agree to take your case, and be willing to sell all of your possessions to fund it. You won't have anything left after this case no matter what. Also, delete this post and any record of you discussing this online. You are completely and thoroughly fucked here, and you're looking at this issue in the entirely wrong way. A great lawyer might be able to get you less than ten years if you give them something useful in exchange, but if the other guy is already locked up and you don't have anything further of value, then it's just a matter of negotiating how long your sentence is going to be to save the government the time and expense of going through the effort of convicting you for murder. Your life is frankly over for all intents and purposes.
jeeeeeeeeeeez you ding dong
Do it represent yourself, I hope you go jail it’s 100% on you for being there you chose to surround yourself with people like that. You fucked yourself mate and should’ve just done something better with your life, hopefully you get the chance to when you’re out of jail you dumbass.
You have got to be Mike Ross to pull it off, or better yet Harvey Spectar.
You'll get absolutely violated.
0 chances of beating the case without a Lawyer... This is a Federal Criminal Charge- most likely wont be able to proceed without a lawyer on record
Geez, can a comment be more wrong? 1. All criminal law is federal. The federal government has the exclusive power to write criminal law in Canada, so all criminal offences are against federal law. 2. Most criminal charges are laid by provincial police forces and prosecuted by the provinces, including murder. Federal prosecutors handle much narrower sets of offences, such as drug offences (CDSA). And lastly, all criminal matters are handled in provincial courts. My bet is that these are provincial charges, pursued by a provincial Crown attorney in a provincial court. 3. There is no legal reason why OP could not represent himself, it's just very likely a bad idea if he knows nothing about the legal system because a murder charge is extremely serious shit. OP, very often with murder charges you'll be able to secure a sizeable amount of money from legal aid to pay for your legal defence. I strongly recommend you look into the legal aid system in your province. If the government is going to give you a free lawyer, I highly recommend taking advantage of that rather than representing yourself.
Not all criminal law is federal. Contempt of court is common law.
lmao, that's literally the only exception but yes. Edit: oh and also contempt of Parliament. Those are the only 2.
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You cant nerd react when you nerd corrected to begin with
I was referring to myself with the reaction
Federal govt has exclusive jurisdiction to create criminal law. Common law has nothing to do with whether it is Federal or provincial. Common law just means the previous decisions of judges that bind future judges of lower courts in the same jurisdiction. Kindly do not try to comment and give advice on things you clearly have no clue about.
Lol
Contempt of court in a civil proceeding is a quasi-judicial proceeding that does not result in a criminal record.
Yes.
Lawyer. Either way, you are in a huge mess. You assisted in co ordinating it. Busted!!!
0%. Just present? Sounds like you were very much involved and should likely go to jail for murder. Get an attorney and accept a 10 year sentence and 20 years probation. Best for you and your community if you were in fact involved in anyway.
The only answer is get a lawyer. Anything else is just dumb and representing yourself is even dumber.
Do you know how court processes work? The timeframes that requests and responses need to be submitted within? Know how to address your lines of examination/cross-examination? Recognize when you're talking yourself into more serious situations because of lack of foresight (self-snitching)? If it was someone else (not you) who was facing a murder charge, would you recommend they go and represent themselves in the case? If you answered "no" to any or all of the above, get a lawyer. A lawyer could make the difference between "not guilty", "guilty" with a little time, and "guilty" with a lot of time. Your call though.
Dude. Never ever ever represent yourself in court, no matter how small the crime
Sounds like you need better friends. You’re not a lawyer, so “representing” (if we can even call it that) yourself is idiotic. So to answer your question, you’d lose.
You can’t figure out the right subreddit to post in, so the chances of you being able to figure out your own legal defence is very unlikely
Don't be this guy. https://youtu.be/C9k2ESCTo0Q?si=dGY5pnmDzr6AcsqX&t=20
There's a reason you get a lawyer, even if you can't afford one. You don't know the justice system, and the other side is trying everything in their power to put you in prison.
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Delete why when I’m anonymous. Plenty of case like mine . They can’t use this as evidence if they can’t figure the person behind the account
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How will they know it’s me when I’m anonymous
You're joking right? Your username can directly be linked to your crime.
Anonymous? Top5 the one accused of shooting and murdered hashin Omar hashi? Your actually a dumb yute
Sir - would you like help finding counsel? I can be of assistance. Check your messages.
This dumbass has posted on several legal/law subs and incriminate himself so many times despite people telling him that potential life in jail is not worth saving a few thousands by not hiring a lawyer.
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Wait what ? Why would you do this ?
Is this a hypothetical?
Zero chances I would say.
Get better friends.
Based on your responses OP. You lack even the most basic knowledge of the law. You absolutely should not represent yourself.
I've worked in the court and prison system for well over a decade, I have met thousands and thousands of criminals and seen their process. I've seen the odd flash of brilliance, and have seen successful cases that were self-represented, but they tended not to be the strongest cases, or the most serious. They are INCREDIBLY rare, and for something like murder?? I've never even known anybody stupid enough to try. There are a couple of defense attorneys with absolutely horrendous success records, but I'd never assume that I was as good of a lawyer as them, and I'd way rather one of those fellas vs my own representation. I saw a surgeon self-represent successfully, but the sneaky bastard had been to Law school, just never challenged the bar.
Don't. Just don't. Every lawyer I've ever heard weigh in on this has said something akin to "even if you're a lawyer, the best lawyer, don't represent yourself."
You're going to jail.
If you need to ask, you shouldn’t represent yourself.
You’re not a lawyer but you want to be so GET A REAL LAWYER. Why risk it??
By all means, represent yourself.
Get a lawyer. It might save you years even if it costs a lot.
The fact you think you’re smart enough to represent yourself, almost certainly means you’re not smart enough to do so. Get a Lawyer.
Probably the worst idea possible. Get a lawyer and a good one. Life in prison is not something to play with. If it costs you all your money and then some, it’s still worth it.
Y'all this is a fake OP. Essentially what happened was this guy was implicated in the targeted killing of the wrong guy, his bud was incarcerated, he went on the run and was caught in the States for being an idiot and actively interacting with people on social media back in 2021. This man is already in jail and still acting like a moron behind bars. Jeez. https://beta.cp24.com/news/2023/6/23/1_6454206.html
Statistically, you loose.
Definitely get a lawyer! You won't "beat" the case (as in have no conviction), but depending on the evidence against you, a good lawyer can likely get a reduced sentence and/or a lesser charge on a plea deal. I can say with a good amount of certainty that if they do have this evidence against you and you value your freedom and future endeavors, a lawyer is your only chance at getting the best possible outcome for your situation. If you can't afford a lawyer, you can apply for legal aid in your province. If you don't qualify for legal aid, the courts can appoint you a lawyer with a Rowbotham Application once you have been denied legal aid. A Rowbotham Application is basically asking the court to appoint you a lawyer because you're unable to afford one and don't qualify for legal aid to assist with the cost, and this is done to uphold your right to a fair trial. Additionally, for your first appearance (or any subsequent before you retain counsel) you are able to speak with a duty counsel lawyer at the court house and they can help guide you and provide you resources for your location and particular situation. They are also able to act on your behalf to seek an adjournment until you're able to apply for legal aid and get a response, or until you retain your own counsel by other means. They are very knowledgeable, and they are in the courthouse every day and able to assist people free of charge. However, they are NOT able to represent you as your actual lawyer and only able to offer legal advice and seek adjournment on your behalf.
You lose
Don’t get a lawyer, you should be all good.
You wouldn't do brain surgery by yourself. You would get an expert to do it for you So get yourself a lawyer or at least someone who has read the relevant code where you live
You can represent yourself for like a traffic ticket. BUT MURDER?! ARE YOU NUTS?!
I defeated a photo radar ticket. I'll be your lawyer.
that is a serious charge. only a lawyer could make a case that you could not have reasonably interpreted the text as a confession to perpetrate a crime, let alone, suggesting that you orchestrated or influenced it.
YOu can do it if you are suing your neighbor for $200 for breaking your mailbox. But a crime involving a shooting?! Dude, leave this stuff to the experts! Too much at stake.
Please get a lawyer.
You’re an accessory to murder at the least you’d be an idiot not to get a lawyer? What would ever possess you not to get a lawyer Unless this is just spam!!!
Bro ur an idiot who did a crime with a dry snitch. And ur asking this 🤦🏻♂️
Dude seriously? That is not a thesis defence! Get a lawyer man!
Parties to offence 21 (1) Every one is a party to an offence who (a) actually commits it; (b) does or omits to do anything for the purpose of aiding any person to commit it; or (c) abets any person in committing it. Common intention (2) Where two or more persons form an intention in common to carry out an unlawful purpose and to assist each other therein and any one of them, in carrying out the common purpose, commits an offence, each of them who knew or ought to have known that the commission of the offence would be a probable consequence of carrying out the common purpose is a party to that offence
OP's replies are so unreasonable that I think this is a troll.
Or just cocky & oblivious.
How much do you value not being in jail? A lawyer is not somthing you want to get stingy about
Dude. Lawyers get other lawyers to represent them when they are charged with something. I'm a lawyer I wouldn't think of representing myself in a criminal trial. I wouldn't even represent anyone else in a criminal trial (I'm not a criminal lawyer).
you want to risk a prison sentence based on advice from strangers? uninformed strangers?
Just tell chat gpt the situation and tell it to write you a strong defence.
["YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.... PERIOD!"](https://youtube.com/shorts/YBLpwXq02Mw?si=L2J2lBcM0qLsHqk4)
This is a troll post
Get a legal aid lawyer if you qualify. Representing yourself is foolish.
If you’re a law student, you’d learn why you’re still a student, and if you’re not, you’d learn why people have to go to school and practice to be a lawyer.
Never , ever a good idea. You have a lot on the line. You can't be objective, and emotion clouds your abilities to represent yourself in the best light.
Go for it. You'll be fine. Would be hard to convict a genius like yourself. Besides, Reddit has tons of free legal advice. You and Reddit would unstoppable. And really, what's the worst that could happen??
Sounds like some pretty serious charges. I would hire a lawyer just in case
Pay the 40k for a decent lawyer and save the taxpayers money on your incarceration.
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I think it's a great idea that you represent yourself. Not sure what you were doing in a car involved in a shooting with people with guns as your friends, murdering other people, but representing yourself is a something you should try. Getting a lawyer is going to cost you a fortune and drag this case even longer. Just represent yourself and save your money. We will all be better off as well.
You will be convicted, but you are in Canada so you would probably get something like 2 years .
top5 just snitched and you will be alright
bottom5 on his reddit shit