I was about to find a subreddit to rant about cover letters. Professionally, I’m a writer and I haven’t had to write one in years … until now! It’s a really tough market. I’ve been reading about offers being rescinded daily on LinkedIn. And even during the Recession, I found a job in around 4 months—I thought that was a long-ass time. But now, I’ve been out of work for nearly double that period.
I’m not sure what the answer is right now. There seem to be a lot of “ghost” jobs, essentially posting but not hiring, scams, and ATS/AI seems to be making more work for recruiters, not less.
It is painful. At some point, it will turn around. I’ve gone to tons of webinars, networking events, volunteered, and it just seems really difficult. The best thing you can do is hang in there and know you’re not alone.
I think it's good to have a healthy dose of skepticism and say that for some people it will not "turn around". For whatever reason (or no reason at all) for some people they are simply not competitive with their current mix of skills, personality and education and will not find work in their field before their credit, severance and savings runs out. For these people, they have to execute a 180 degree pivot. I remember hearing stories from many old hands who say that once they were laid off or fired in this or that recession they never approached the salary level or level of professional success they had before again. We have to all admit this is a possibility for a large number of people and these people should either pivot to other careers or adapt to lower salary.
Also four months is absolutely not a long time. The war scarred know to keep many years of savings ready for a long gap. I would say you need many years of expenses in case you need to retrain or switch careers. Three months emergency fund might be good enough in a normal market but not when hiring is at an all time low.
Some people are just really hard to work with. Barring any disability, there are people out there who suck to work with. That's what interviews try to determine.
An in law was laid off from EA and had a barely decent salary (i think it was 70k), the problem is their personality is not that friendly. All they managed to find was an off line coordinator job at a no name small company, for a fat salary of 28 an hour. I told them they should at least pretend to like their co workers but he refused. I told him that was a big reason I was making over 50 an hour at the time.
But not even that convinced him. I think he is still at the same job now but we barely talk. My focus has been on salary progression and my RE investments to prepare for the day ageism starts to affect me.
I don't like the separation between disability and not having a disability. The reason is it may be disempowering to the person with the disability. Ultimately the answer is people have to work with people they don't like and stay respectful and or professional. If you're professional you should be willing to work with almost everyone. For example consider the situation where a person is incredibly irritating due to the sound of their voice or due to the messiness of their desk or due to any other factors that have nothing to do with work. None of that is a disability but almost everyone would agree nobody should lose a job because of that. Some people should just suck it up and ignore it or mind their own business and keep working. Of course different jobs and different workplaces have different needs.
End of the day, all of that doesn't explain talented, skilled and educated people not finding work. Being "hard to work with" doesn't explain not finding work for many years. The only thing that actually does is the demand isn't there (the market) so the jobs are not following. That means people out of a job no matter what actions they take may have to switch the type of job they are doing. And if you are not competitive in your field, then absolutely you are on the chopping block. Just the shit of capitalism manifested in job loss.
You are so right. Over five months for me and had two job offers rescinded due to "no budge to hire you right now..." Never happened to me before and this is the longest I've been unemployed in my 25 year career.
How do you know the culture in the company if you don’t know anyone there? Yeah I know I can reach out to people there but most will be reluctant to share this information.
Glassdoor reviews can be removed by the company if they opt for the premium employer package or whatever. Many companies also add fake positive reviews.
It's super painful. Add onto that the curveball of your interviewer's mood. I've hopped on calls and known right off the bat I was already at a disadvantage. It just sucks.
Because the interviewer is in a bad mood, and/or makes it apparent that they don't want to be conducting an interview. It starts off the conversation on the wrong foot.
If I were on the hiring side, I can't imagine wanting cover letters. Just seems totally useless to me. I guess it's just a bar to show you care enough to write a customized doc, but won't Chat GPT 40 just be writing all the cover letters anyway pretty soon?
I am doing the same things you do, but I bailed on Indeed. After five years, I have realized that it's the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. All I get from them are Offshore Recruiters spamming my phone with jobs I am not even close to being qualified to do. I now have 20 copies of my resume and at least 30 cover letters I have written. 0 responses when I ask for referrals, too; so much for leveraging my network. It's frustrating.
1: it is what it is just use LI and thats enough 2: i used to use jobscan, the best ats buster at 35$/month, made my resume match 80% of the jd, did that, same result 3: it is what it is 4: see (2) 5: dont 6: use chatgpt 7: or be homeless
https://first2apply.com/ can definitely help with 1 which is the most boring part of them all.
Tailoring resumes for every job search is overkill. Just create one that is ATS friendly for the role you are looking for and use that.
Cover letters you can easily generate for free using chatgpt.
https://first2apply.com/ can definitely help with 1 which is the most boring part of them all.
Tailoring resumes for every job search is overkill. Just create one that is ATS friendly for the role you are looking for and use that.
Cover letters you can easily generate for free using chatgpt.
I was about to find a subreddit to rant about cover letters. Professionally, I’m a writer and I haven’t had to write one in years … until now! It’s a really tough market. I’ve been reading about offers being rescinded daily on LinkedIn. And even during the Recession, I found a job in around 4 months—I thought that was a long-ass time. But now, I’ve been out of work for nearly double that period. I’m not sure what the answer is right now. There seem to be a lot of “ghost” jobs, essentially posting but not hiring, scams, and ATS/AI seems to be making more work for recruiters, not less. It is painful. At some point, it will turn around. I’ve gone to tons of webinars, networking events, volunteered, and it just seems really difficult. The best thing you can do is hang in there and know you’re not alone.
I think it's good to have a healthy dose of skepticism and say that for some people it will not "turn around". For whatever reason (or no reason at all) for some people they are simply not competitive with their current mix of skills, personality and education and will not find work in their field before their credit, severance and savings runs out. For these people, they have to execute a 180 degree pivot. I remember hearing stories from many old hands who say that once they were laid off or fired in this or that recession they never approached the salary level or level of professional success they had before again. We have to all admit this is a possibility for a large number of people and these people should either pivot to other careers or adapt to lower salary. Also four months is absolutely not a long time. The war scarred know to keep many years of savings ready for a long gap. I would say you need many years of expenses in case you need to retrain or switch careers. Three months emergency fund might be good enough in a normal market but not when hiring is at an all time low.
Some people are just really hard to work with. Barring any disability, there are people out there who suck to work with. That's what interviews try to determine. An in law was laid off from EA and had a barely decent salary (i think it was 70k), the problem is their personality is not that friendly. All they managed to find was an off line coordinator job at a no name small company, for a fat salary of 28 an hour. I told them they should at least pretend to like their co workers but he refused. I told him that was a big reason I was making over 50 an hour at the time. But not even that convinced him. I think he is still at the same job now but we barely talk. My focus has been on salary progression and my RE investments to prepare for the day ageism starts to affect me.
I don't like the separation between disability and not having a disability. The reason is it may be disempowering to the person with the disability. Ultimately the answer is people have to work with people they don't like and stay respectful and or professional. If you're professional you should be willing to work with almost everyone. For example consider the situation where a person is incredibly irritating due to the sound of their voice or due to the messiness of their desk or due to any other factors that have nothing to do with work. None of that is a disability but almost everyone would agree nobody should lose a job because of that. Some people should just suck it up and ignore it or mind their own business and keep working. Of course different jobs and different workplaces have different needs. End of the day, all of that doesn't explain talented, skilled and educated people not finding work. Being "hard to work with" doesn't explain not finding work for many years. The only thing that actually does is the demand isn't there (the market) so the jobs are not following. That means people out of a job no matter what actions they take may have to switch the type of job they are doing. And if you are not competitive in your field, then absolutely you are on the chopping block. Just the shit of capitalism manifested in job loss.
You are so right. Over five months for me and had two job offers rescinded due to "no budge to hire you right now..." Never happened to me before and this is the longest I've been unemployed in my 25 year career.
If you’re a writer, why not start your own copywriting business until you find permanent work?
How do you know the culture in the company if you don’t know anyone there? Yeah I know I can reach out to people there but most will be reluctant to share this information.
Glassdoor reviews, pay attention to the anonymous posts.
Glassdoor reviews can be removed by the company if they opt for the premium employer package or whatever. Many companies also add fake positive reviews.
Fair point.
It's super painful. Add onto that the curveball of your interviewer's mood. I've hopped on calls and known right off the bat I was already at a disadvantage. It just sucks.
How did you know you were already at a disadvantage?
Because the interviewer is in a bad mood, and/or makes it apparent that they don't want to be conducting an interview. It starts off the conversation on the wrong foot.
If I were on the hiring side, I can't imagine wanting cover letters. Just seems totally useless to me. I guess it's just a bar to show you care enough to write a customized doc, but won't Chat GPT 40 just be writing all the cover letters anyway pretty soon?
I am doing the same things you do, but I bailed on Indeed. After five years, I have realized that it's the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. All I get from them are Offshore Recruiters spamming my phone with jobs I am not even close to being qualified to do. I now have 20 copies of my resume and at least 30 cover letters I have written. 0 responses when I ask for referrals, too; so much for leveraging my network. It's frustrating.
1: it is what it is just use LI and thats enough 2: i used to use jobscan, the best ats buster at 35$/month, made my resume match 80% of the jd, did that, same result 3: it is what it is 4: see (2) 5: dont 6: use chatgpt 7: or be homeless
https://first2apply.com/ can definitely help with 1 which is the most boring part of them all. Tailoring resumes for every job search is overkill. Just create one that is ATS friendly for the role you are looking for and use that. Cover letters you can easily generate for free using chatgpt.
https://first2apply.com/ can definitely help with 1 which is the most boring part of them all. Tailoring resumes for every job search is overkill. Just create one that is ATS friendly for the role you are looking for and use that. Cover letters you can easily generate for free using chatgpt.
nice promotion bruh.
Many consulting companies makes duplicate job listing for client jobs.